Another theory: While holding Raditz's tail, Goku realized he would have to deal with Chichi after the battle and death seemed like a sweeter option. Sacrificing himself seemed like the best option at the time for him : Raditz would be stopped and Chichi wouldn't be able to nag him for a while. Goku then smiled before dying because he was satisfied on how well his plan was going and how nobody caught on the true reason of his sacrifice.
Clearly you don't seem to know what the word nag actually means cuz if you did you realize Chichi doesn't actually do lol And like most people you skip the part where Goku said he loved that about chichi, saying men are into that kind of stuff, so either stop trolling or pay attention to the story lol 🤭
@@ChiChiLand299 I love Chichi and I don't think she's ACTUALLY a nag, but it's a funny bit that has been going on for decades so I just sorta roll with it.
@@ChiChiLand299 tfs iteration says otherwise, its a joke that most people know due to tfs dbza lmao, light hearted humor def went over ya head. If you are so involved with the story, then maybe go look at parodies of it since they may shine a light in a different, darker humor sense..wait..you wouldnt be able to follow along with half the jokes
I've noticed that when the topic of 'Goku being smart' comes along, knowledge of Dragon Ball helps to understand how smart he can actually be. Just in the topic of the tail, Goku learned to use his tail as a helicopter and trained not to be stunned from a trail grab before he learned to fly. I can totally buy the theory that Goku took the risk because he knew Raditz could cut his tail off, since he took the risk already that Raditz wouldn't had trained to withstand the tail grab. Piccolo wasn't around when Goku had the weakness and lost the weakness, thus Piccolo couldn't know Nappa's training.
At around 7:20 he says after the second special beam cannon piccolo would of had no power left yet he had enough power to regrow his arm which takes up enormous amounts of energy as seen by how much power Nail dropped when he did it against Frieza. Also Nail was fresh when he regenerated his arm and only did that one hit on Frieza's neck before Frieza ripped it off while Piccolo was fighting constantly and wore out from fighting Raditz with no arm and two special beam Cannon's plus piccolo had enough power to fly away which back then took up mega amounts of power which is why Goku used the flying nimbus
@@OverRule1 It would be nice analysis topic to compare Warrior Namekians like Piccolo and Nail. TLDR: Guardians are not as good Warriors as the Evil Ones. I feel Toriyama has been consistent in original manga when it comes to Piccolo's Namekian powers. King Piccolo made an egg, even if it made him weaker, yet still he was strong enough to defeat un-boosted well-fed Goku. Later King Piccolo released his full power even though it could shorten his life expectancy, yet still considering how long Kami has lived - not an issue. Piccolo Jr (or Piccolo in Z) inherit everything from King Piccolo, and regenerating an arm during the tournament similar implications - it lowered the strength but it's not noticeable when power levels are close to equal. But main difference between Nail and Piccolo: one is Guardian and one is the Evil one. One fights when they have to, the other one fights when they want to. This was also demonstrated well during the tournament arc. Even if Kami and Piccolo are the same being, Piccolo who kept battling through out the years became stronger than the other one, who focused on intervene only when they had to.
Goku is much smarter than people give him credit for. Tbh, I enjoy Goku being a goofy and funny fella because seeing goku be just some "powerful stoic man that doesn't talk a lot" would really ruin the entire story
@@ZeusDaEvilOne "reviving freiza on namek" "Giving cell a Senzu" Firstly, Goku didn't "revive" freeza.Freeza wasn't even dead. And if you're referring to Goku giving him some energy, Goku didn't give him likd his entire energy. He gave him just enough energy to make it out of namek and survive. It's called Mercy. After Freeza betrays him, Goku (in his mind thinking that he killed him) had a deep remorse, it just shows that Goku gave Freeza a chance to save himself, or change his ways but he didn't and instead betrayed him. And for the "Giving Cell a Senzu bean"Goku knew Gohan was ready, and knew he just needed a little push. After fighting cell himself, Goku knew that Gohan would unlock his full potential and defeat him. It wasn't Goku giving a senzu which was wrong (like if being trusted in your son's abilities is a crime, then beat me), it was his miscalculations which led to the death of 16. And even his "miscalculation" isn't really a miscalculation, like how are you supposed to know if someone's "90%" ready or "95%" ready (unless if you're and android). And hell, Goku was right, Gohan did unlock his full power and did defeat cell (altho it was Gohan who extended the whole issue). So Goku wasn't wrong here either But you know what they say, Never argue with Dragon Ball "Fans", they have never watched the show. Just like you!
I think what confuses a lot of people here is Raditz begging Goku to let him go. People think that A) Raditz was truly desperate and that B) Raditz honestly believed Goku would let him go. Raditz honestly believed he was going to have to cut off his tail. He wasn't begging Goku for mercy because he was truly hoping for it. He was exaggerating his own vulnerability for Piccolo. He wanted Piccolo to take the bait. If he was going to have to sacrifice his tail, he wanted to be sure that Piccolo would waste that special beam canon. He wasn't trying to convince Goku to let him go, He was trying to convince Piccolo he was truly vulnerable and helpless. Goku realized that Raditz was playing it up and that Piccolo was falling right into his trap. So he released the tail. Not because he believed Raditz would change, but because he knew this wasn't going to work. Raditz honestly didn't think that Goku would let go, he was more focused on getting Piccolo to fire the special beam canon, Hence his shock and Exclamation "You FOOL!" when Goku released his tail. Goku didn't know what would happen next, but he knew that Raditz was going to cut off his tail and dodge the special beam canon and then they would be helpless against Raditz. That's why when Goku grabbed Raditz with the full nelson Raditz realized goku was not in fact a fool, but was onto his plan. TL:DR goku went for the full nelson the second time, sacrificing himself instead of grabbing the tail again because he knew Raditz would cut it off at the last second.
Also, betting on Raditz deciding to stop the fight after being shown mercy was the only way they could survive, Goku knew it probably wouldn't work but holding on to the tail any longer was suicide anyway.
It’s likely but I don’t think it’s the reason Goku let go of his tail. I don’t think it was Goku’s naive nature but rather his pure heart. That’s what makes him unique among everyone else. He values life. One of his moves is the spirit bomb.The first episode shows him denying his brother’s request to kill other humans and join him in conquest. But if you look at his track record he has a history of forgiving his enemies and making them allies/rivals. He would rather see them change.Which is something the video does not mention.
Great video I say it was more luck than anything, there was no way Goku would know Gohan would Attack Raditz the way his did, creating the opportunity for a Win.
I agree! Luck played a huge part of it! It just seemed like Goku knew "this won't do it" when holding the tail knowing there's only 1 SBC left. Raditz was so quick after Goku released that Goku had zero chance to switch to a Full Nelson. Raditz needed distracting. Thanks for watching though!
After Goku let go of Raditz's tail, he was in a position where he needed some sort of miracle to happen, so he took the opportunity for a full-nelson after said miracle. They likely would've died had Gohan not created the opening that Goku needed to hold Raditz in place
Completely agree!! I just don't see Goku being a fool in this fight nor it costing his life. What happened was the only way to beat Raditz on that battlefield. Gohan the miracle. Piccolo the weapon. Goku the smart sacrifice.
No, the full Nelson strategy was definitely more risky than the tail gripping and waiting for piccolo to use special beam canon. The logic behind radiz was crafty that he could have found a way out is pure agenda driven, especially suggesting had enough iq to make himself seem weakened when he got his tail grabbed. If he was that crafty why didn't he you know shot out a beam from his back and impale goku using that.
Without Gohan, they wouldn't have won. Raditz would have broke out of the Full Nelson if he was fresh. Goku realised Gohan hurt Raditz and took advantage of it.
@SaiyanScholar okay, doesn't change the fact that if you believe raditz is indeed smart and deceiving enough to fake exhaustion then why couldn't he have broken out goku grasp using as i said ki, or flight (if he couldn't go up go down, these characters are strong enough to ignore dirt and goku wouldn't be exactly something like that), your whole video relies on the idea that raditz is smart when he's shown to not be. Also the logic goku has to not grab the tail again is stupid, just prevent him from touching his tail when he's on the ground raditz was clearly shocked about gohans power so much he forgot he had ki when goku was hugging him. Goku is under the impression raditz could take off his tail but why would he assume that are saiyans like those lizards that can shoot off there tails, why and how would goku know about it. Just say you have an agenda
@nani4249 After Raditz was assaulted by Gohan, he no longer had enough ki to break out of Goku's firm grasp because Gohan injured him that badly. It was smart for Goku to trap Raditz in a full nelson instead of going for the tail again because what was gonna stop Raditz from elbowing Goku in his temple during his attempt to unwrap his tail? Goku going for a full Nelson was a less risky and faster way to trap Raditz while he was stunned. Also, it's dumb to question how Goku knew that Raditz would cut off his tail, given Goku also had his tail cut off before.
No he wasn't. Go watch the episodes where Goku and Vegeta are inside of Buu. It's ridiculous how y'all think he's digressed so much, when he's always been this childish person
@@Citizen_Nappa23 seriously. It's like they forgot the writers were blatantly trying to remind us he was hit on his head as a child and that changed his nature
I really don't feel like we can credit the wise choice of Goku dropping Raditz's tail to his brilliance and more to the fortunate circumstances of the writing. There was nothing in that scene to suggest otherwise. I do agree that Goku letting Raditz go was likely the better choice in hindsight, but pretending like allowing Raditz to get the upper hand again, letting his ribs get crushed, and relying on his 4 year old son to come in and give him the opportunity to finish off Raditz is Goku playing 4D chess is farfetched. If Goku was so smart about it, what was his plan after letting Raditz go? Was he just giving up and declaring his defeat then, or are we expected to believe he could see the future like his father? Him letting his brother go was absolutely due to his naivete, and there was just no reason to try that strategy again since Raditz was aware of it. I feel like that extra line in the manga about Goku knowing about Raditz cutting off his tail is either a post-hoc meta explanation from Toriyama or the aforementioned not trying the same strategy twice.
The video wasn't talking about 4D chess, though; as that would suggest Toriyama had the whole fight plotted out, and this doesn't seem to be suggesting that. It just made sense why Goku made those individual choices, consistent with who he is as a character. Sure... it had some fortunate writing, but there were also desperate adaptations being made, which takes a lot of effort and creativity in the writing. Toriyama is a discovery writer/pantser. It takes a different skillset to write that way.
@@beastmage3 I don't know how you didn't get the implication that Goku was being smarter than we thought in the video. That is exactly what SaiyanScholar implied by emphasizing Goku's supposed intellect and that's how the rest of these comments took it as well.
I won’t even give you that it was a wise choice in hindsight. Raditz was on the ground, if he cut off his tail and dodged the special beam cannon would’ve hit the ground not Goku.
@@Phillylove100 I don't think Picollo has the energy to just be shooting 1 zillion special beam cannons this early in the plot, bro would be juiced after his second
@@humanconvertileGoku's tail was removed and regrew during Dragonball, so it makes perfect sense to think that he knew raditz could cut his tail off with the knowledge that it would regrow
Gohan positively rocked raditz's shit with that charging headbutt. It was the perfect distraction, and it really cleared up a lot of work for Goku tryna stick that full nelson on raditz. I also find it kinda silly to suggest that grabbing the tail a second time, or even that hanging on to it woulda sufficed in keeping Raditz still long enough. Ever been popped in the nose? It makes your eyes water. Temporarily.
A great point. Sometimes even us biggest fans forget how much of a tactical genius Goku is at fighting. He quite often reads his opponents' combat plans as instinctively as motorists read road signs.
Some of us realized why Goku let go of the tail reading manga closely, what I do not get is how Goku plan on getting Raditz killed after letting go of his tail? No way he planned on Gohan breaking out of Raditz' Saiyan pod after hearing his father's cries. Does he plan on grabbing Raditz's foot to prevent him from moving around, even tho Raditz can easily sway his hands away?
What Goku was betting on, if he assumed Raditz was telling the truth, was that he may just decide to leave the fight right there out of gratitude. It was a very low chance, but it was all they had because holding on to the tail any longer wasn't going to work. It was a miracle that Gohan helped them and he saw his chance to get Raditz with the Full Nelson.
Goku saved Piccolo's energy for later when he went for the Full Nelson. No I don't think he knew Gohan could injure him but he knew they'd definitely lose if Piccolo missed a ki blast and was then out of energy and time
Goku had grew beyond the tail issue when he was a kid. People seem to forget that, the second torment he fought in when he fought Krillin he let it be known the that he had grown passed that weakness…..
Yeah kinda undermines a lot. I remember the tail copter like tails in sonic lol. Still a fun big brain theory vid, let alone no way they'd be a match for nappa and then vegeta (fortunately they didn't fight goku at the same time) without king kai's training.
Its funny how this slowed down fight where just shooting a blast is a whole event is so much more memorable than the modern stuff of 20k energy blasts and everyone zipping aorund at light speed.
The Budokai 1 OST is such a great music choice for this vid My earliest memories of Dragon Ball is the Budokai games, and especially the Raditz fight 😤
Here's the thing: Goku trained so his tail wouldn't be a weakness. And that's when he was much weaker (still kid Goku btw), so there's no way Raditz hadn't. Raditz was definitely playing up his "vulnerability."
The thing is Goku only trained that because people kept taking advantage of his weakness because they knew about it solely from being around Goku throughout his life, Raditz would've had no reason to train to get rid of that weakness because no one on the planets they invaded really knew about it.
@@EmperorFriezaTheSaiyanBeater yet, Vegeta and Nappa trained so their tails wouldn't be a weakness when they conquered planets. They've said as much. Raditz was part of that team and their punching bag, so he'd have reason to.
@@FleeceJohnsonDaBootyWarrior Yeah that makes sense, Raditz did have some strength left when his tail was held onto unlike Goku when he was a kid so he's likely trained it as well but not enough for complete resistance like Nappa and Vegeta had. I doubt he was playing up his vulnerability because he really wouldn't have anything to gain from it, and he definitely did have enough strength so that he could cut it off like he said in the video.
@@EmperorFriezaTheSaiyanBeater Goku was the same way after training. It's definitely plausible, likely even, that Raditz did as well. He seemed ready to cut his losses and remove his tail.
Another possible point to consider would be that Piccolo punched a very large hole through a mountain when he missed with the first Makankosappo. A close range ground shot could have severely endangered Piccolo, Goku, and Gohan whether it connected with Raditz or not. Whether or not it occurred to Goku to keep Raditz standing with a full nelson, it was the right call. His son was prone only a meter or two away on the second attempt.
The problem is that Goku let go of the tail because he was trying to show mercy. Not because he was actively making a tactical choice. Even if he knows Raditz could escape anyways, he still didn't have any better options immediately available. It's only by sheer chance of Gohan intervening to weaken Raditz that made the rest of the events possible. So he was still a fool in that moment for believing Raditz, just a lucky one, sort of.
they would have been worse off if he kept holding onto the tail tho, and he literally called raditz out when he was holding him. did you even pay attention to the video.
@@nolife4218 I know that things conveniently worked out. That's obvious. I'm saying that Goku did not let go of the tail as a tactical choice, he did it because he figured showing mercy in that moment might work out better than trying to kill Raditz. In the exact moment he first got the tail, he had no other options available whether he figured holding the tail was going to work or not. He did not let go out of some genius 4D chess strategy to full nelson him later. He let go because he was desperate and figured showing mercy might help. Raditz was too strong to hold any other way until Gohan injured him. There is no way Goku would've assumed that Gohan was going to do that. Goku does not have magic, Bardock special foresight. If Gohan did not intervene, Goku and Piccolo were screwed regardless. Did you even pay attention when you read my comment? Or are you just trying to sound smarter than you are?
@@mojaxon23If Goku was actually desperate he would have told Piccolo to fire the special beam cannon or if Piccolo couldn't they would attempt to kill him in one way or another + he literally knew Raditz can cut off his tail because he said it and Raditz said "how did you know"
@@BBroski That whole comment changes nothing. Goku just went with the options he had available, and picked the less tactical and more compassionate option that happened to work out when it otherwise would not have because of 3rd party intervention. He could've either held on or let go. Simple as that. The smart play with the information he had available in that moment was to hold on and he chose not to. He got lucky that Gohan attacked Raditz. There was no 4D chess involved here. Dude just got lucky. Why people think Goku has some magic foresight and knew what was going to happen is beyond me. Why wouldn't Goku know Raditz could escape anyway? Cutting his tail if he had to is an obvious move, anyone could've figured that out, it isn't that hard. But forcing Raditz to do so would still be somewhat better than just letting him go and taking the ass whupping for no real reason other than hope that Raditz had suddenly changed his mind. Goku could not have realistically predicted anyone was going to help him, so he was trying to use kindness to hopefully win when everything else he could do had failed. He does not have foresight, and he did not make some epic 4D chess move to win. He got lucky.
I like this. Radish is not as strong as Cabbage and Vegetable, but he is a warrior. They probably wouldn't give a damn about the tail or not, but the tail is the catalyst to summoning the mighty Oozaru when they stare at a full moon. It's strategic to keep it, and as a warrior they also know that their tail is a weakness because someone can grab their tail (evidenced by the fact that they wrap it around their waist). The backup plan to cut off their tail is most likely because that in the heat of battle, they won't focus on things like keeping their tail wrapped around. Manga or anime don't have to be realistic, but this is reasonable
Sometimes people forget this is the same Goku who had the foresight to let Vegeta live after beating him, and also the same Goku who figured out how to bait Cell into bringing out Gohans true potential.
Actually raditz would have beat goku not kill him, then Gohan nd raditz would have an arc on "how to be a saiyan" then goku goes on an arc to find his son
Toriyama wanted to make sure there was a good enough reason for this character to not have an arc and never come back, and this tactic he used, although brilliant subterfuge, is of the lowest caliber of morality trick of trying to appear weak begging for life lying about being good after what he did and said.
Gotta love it when the manga blatantly tells us that Raditz already had that plan cooked up and that Goku knew that now that he is aware of the Special Beam Cannon so it isn't going to be effective as a surprise attack anymore.
Piccolo: "I got one more technique!" Goku:"You do?" Piccolo: " Yes, but you have to distract him while I charge it" Goku: "That doesn't sound to bad..." Piccolo: "For 5 Minutes, and considering how he beat us both up... well I am sure you can handle it!"
Good ole DBZ: Budokai on the Nintendo GameCube 🎮🥋🔮🐉 Getting Piccolo to hit Raditz with that Special Beam Cannon on that game as a kid was hard af 🤦🏾♂️😭
1: Goku has always been like this. There isn't a magic divide between kid Goku and adult Goku. Adult Goku ended Buu, tried to end Cell, and encouraged Gohan to end him after. Pleading is his weakness, Tao and Freeza both used it too. When someone is begging for their life Goku finds it very hard to finish them. 2: Raditz COULD have done it. Goku himself did it when fighting Grandpa Gohan. Not because he was strong enough to resist, but because if there's enough of a struggle it will just straight up detach. When Raditz says "You knew!?" it is more "You know?!" Sorry, but yes. Goku acted very foolishly here because of his bleeding heart. And that's fine. Trying to make Goku perfect is extremely irritating. He's a flawed character and it makes him more interesting.
9:43 Well Piccolo couldn't have known that because he wasn't a Saiyan and never knew about this weakness (Goku didn't even had a tail back then). The question is why didn't Raditz remove his tale when Goku got him but instead begged for his life? Maybe he wanted to test Goku if he is ruthless enough to join them for one last time?
@@SaiyanScholar I guess so. But honestly It's pathetic that Raditz has this weakness when Goku was able to remove it when he was half his age, especially when his two comrades had also removed that weakness.
I think Raditz wasn't fully paralysed and was counting on cutting his tail. I think he was BS'ing some of the pain and could have got out of it if he really tried.
Raditz is stronger with his tail like all saiyans are, so if he can convince his brother to let go he gets to keep his extra strength, if memory serves adult saiyans aren't able to regrow their tail so losing it this time would be a permanent downgrade in power and losing access to his great ape form
@@midorisetsuna7334 I don't know about adult Saiyans not regrowing their tails. When Vegegeta recovered from his fight on Earth he said that his tail would regrow. It didn't but that was mostly due to Toriyama forgetting or simply wanting to get rid of them. I think Raditz would still have an advantage over them even after losing a bit of power.
Raditz is so cool...wish he could've been brought back...I can only imagine scenes of raditz growing far stronger and keeping up with the rest of the group. And maybe even getting a piece of frieza. If raditz only stuck around for the namek arc, it would have been splendid and i would have been happy with that. Raditz learning about how planet vegeta really went out could have been a character turning moment. And maybe he could have had beef with vegeta since vegeta seemed largely indifferent to this fact and stuff...(maybe I'm wrong in my memory about all that). Anyone who tries to justify raditz having such a short spotlight is lame and has no imagination :(
0:53 I had so much trouble playing this part of the game cause I was dying at how theyre positioned and the way theyre moving so aggressively like Radotz is getting dominated by his brother 😂😂😂😂
Another thing people overlook is that holding Raditz in a full-nelson makes him a much easier target to hit, versus him lying flat on the ground when Goku's holding his tail. Piccolo already missed him once, so making sure he's standing upright is a smart idea.
Makes sense if he didn't d!3 then would have never learned kaioken and spirit bomb and probably wouldn't have been able to take on Nappa let alone stood a chance against Vegeta.
even if Raditz severed his own tail wouldn't he still be in some sort of weakness after? that first ape transformation against Pilaf when Goku got his tail cut off he had to relearn to walk again, he couldn't balance. in other animals including apes the tail is an extension of the spine. for Raditz I believe over time he'd get used to it but right after he wouldn't be the same fighting level. it would be a quick escape but how would things go after?
that does not really apply in this situation for two reasons. first off the tail makes up a much smaller percentage of an adult saiyans body mass, so it's effect on balance would be much smaller to begin with. secondly and much more importantly, radditz showed that he was able to fight unhindered with his tail wrapped around his waist, so he clearly knows how to fight without using it for balance.
@@windhelmguard5295 I think ppl also forgot radditz was a high caliber saiyan warrior I'm pretty sure they would teach them how to balance n counter balance with or without his tail just incase it ever got cut off in base form
I do think him being his only family did have a small part in Goku letting go I mean he had to be at least slightly interested in that fact that he could learn more about where he came from
people need to understand goku isnt stupid. he isnt really a fool either. he just lets his saiyan tendencies get in the way and is far too trusting of people. but in reality he is a genius when it comes to martial arts and fighting. hes just not book smart
such a reach, theres nothing to suggest he wasnt stunned or had any plan and to suggest goku was also aware of radditz plan when their entire strategy was to grab his tail is insane. I also think radditz is too prideful to beg unless necessary and he was so strong he intended to defeat them w force alone
Raditz is probably one of the more tragic characters in the series. Its implied he was never truly evil, only forced to do evil because he would either die by his own comerades hand (vegeta/nappa), or die by freeza or one of his goons hands. But instead he just died by his brother's hands. He was basically forsaken by everyone. And being the son of bardock, its safe to assume he had alot of potential in him. That said, i dont think vegetas character would have allowed for goku, gohan, AND radditz to be stronger than him.
The raditz fight had a ton of plot armor. Raditz wasn't allowed to power up to full power. He couldn't launch one signature move. Was constantly blindsided by goku, the silly tail weakness, and piccolo
They didn’t know, but it doesn’t mean they couldn’t take advantage of the situation. If goku knew that raditz could rip off his tail then the full nelson was a good idea as explained in the video. Him initially letting go of the tail was if he knew he could rip it off and surprise them is not dumb by any means.
@@Jiron127 because as Vegeta said, Raditz is just a wimp. he was right, Goku and Piccolo thought they were the strongest Earthlings at that point and proven Master Roshi's words that there's always someone who's stronger than you. Raditz wasn't a special Saiyan after all compared to Nappa and Vegeta of course, he's just Vegeta's colleague after all but a very weak one since Raditz' power is comparable just to a little Saibaiman power.
Ironically letting go raditz tail then dying vs raditz did more to save earth from Vegeta and nappa as trading on king Kai’s planet is equal to thousands of years of training on earth during the few months Goku was there
Coping with Goku lack of self survival (stupidity) is a hard pill to get down. Yeah, I like the dude but come on man 🤣 as soon as he let his brother go ... He got his tail handed to him. On the ground screaming in pain for that butt whooping. Whoop here whoop there 😂 where's next? What happened happen 🤷🏾♀️ guessing what would have happened is nice & all. But this is Goku man. He doesn't want to get the job done on anyone
😂 everyone here lost their minds. A Saiyan from that era wouldn't have cut iff their tail. He would've went though with that. The other Saiyans would've killed him. They already didn't like him. That's the worst thing ever im their minds. Look how mad his brother was when he found out goku removed his. Their culture takes proud of the tail's power under a full moon.
When a Saiyan that is still vulnerable through their tail gets their tail grabbed, they lose ALL their power. Goku stated this back in Dragonball. Therefore, how was Raditz gonna cut off his tail to escape? As for why Goku resorted to a Full Nelson instead of trying to grab Raditz's tail again, Goku was too injured to have enough leverage to pull his tail off his waist, let alone squeeze it. Goku was indeed naive to let Raditz's tail go, and Piccolo could've finished Raditz had he not, since the Special Beam Cannon travels at the speed of light and Raditz was powerless, so even if Goku let go just before the beam connected, Raditz would not have immediately gotten back the power needed to dodge.
Saiyan Scholar, Goku Wasn't Dumb He Got Strategic By, His First Dragon Ball Z Battle Against, Raditz His Brother Said He Knew About The Saiyan Tail's Weakness Of Being Cut Off Thanks For Letting Everyone Finding Out The Answer On, Why Goku Let Raditz Saiyan Tail Go
so one issue both Goku & Gohan have REGENERATED their tails naturally so its a moot point since Radits has access to advance medical tech he could simply regrow the tail even if he had to save the severed tail so Radits would not be reluctant to cut it off but rather his opportunity NEVER came up.
Goku is extremely smart especially when it comes to fighting, but I don't think the points on this video are correct... 1)Goku letting go off Raditz's tail had nothing to do with Raditz being able to "cut his tail off" if need be, yes Raditz could struggle a little bit, but he didn't have the strength to escape let alone cut off his own tail (basically an "if I punch myself" scenario). If Raditz truly had the strength to rip off his tail he would be strong enough to shake off Goku, and we've seen plenty of times that tearing a Saiyan's tail off isn't exactly easy, we could also probably guess that the toughness of the tail is proportional to the strength of the Saiyan... 2) I'm not in any way saying Goku was dumb for trusting Raditz, Goku is just the type of person who wants to see the good in people (Piccolo, Tien and even Yamcha were once Goku's enemies), so Goku wanted to believe that his only sibling could change and there is nothing wrong with that; in retrospect, at the time Raditz had only kidnapped Gohan and slapped Krillin, Raditz is the DBZ villain who has done the least harm to Goku or his friends. (It's actually more baffling how Goku quickly trusted Vegeta as a friend given that he did worse things)... 3) As for why Goku didn't go for the tail again: He just didn't have the chance to. After being released, Raditz knew that his tail could be targeted again so he was more cautious about exposing his tail, choosing to keep it wrapped more tightly. If Raditz was unable to escape Goku's grasp the first time around, being injured by Gohan would have meant he was even less likely to move after being grabbed by the tail and again let alone be able to cut it off for a quick escape; even if he somehow did he would be too weak and disoriented by the act to dodge Piccolo's beam. In the moment, since Raditz kept his tail more tightly wrapped, what would have been more viable to do? What could Goku do faster to stop Raditz from using his ki blast, crouch down to untie Raditz's tail without him noticing, or would he do a Full Nelson? Again, I'm not in any way saying Goku was dumb or wrong in his choices, but I just wanted to give my two cents...
The issue with the scene isnt that goku doesnt grab the tail the second time; its not even that goku lets him go in the first time. I mean ffs your explanation of how the scene works is literally just reading what happens in the scene, ofc thats not the issue. The issue is that goku even tried the tail at all. It doesnt make sense. Goku had trained to not be paralyzed or weakened from his tail as a child, Raditz is far older, a trained soldier, and aware of his saiyan heritage. He should not be paralyzed; and more importantly Goku shouldve known that from the beginning, and never even tried for the tail. Its just poor writing meant to bait and switch the audience. The second goku grabs the tail, why doesnt raditz just turn around and kill him while his hands are on the tail? Plot, thats why.
if goku didn’t let go, he wouldn’t be able to train with king kai, which would indefinitely make him too weak to even stand up to nappa, which would end dbz at frieza saga, because vegeta wouldn’t get his zenkai boost from almost losing to the z fighters and yajirobe
Doesnt...that just make raditz the smart one for fooling goku into giving up an advantage for literally nothing? If its true then make him cut his tail off.
Wow, I never knew about Goku being a few steps ahead and anticipating his plan to cut off his own trail to escape .. never read this information from the manga. Very interesting perspective! Great video.
*How* would he do that? If the tail weakness was still present, he couldn't move to do it. If it wasn't then he could just dodge the narrowish beam attack
whenever Goku does something dumb in Z he gets a video essay saying it's smart whenever Goku does something with high battle IQ in Super, he gets a bunch of YT comments saying he didn't think it through and it was just writing contrivances fml lol
You said that OG Dragon Ball Goku would kill someone if they were being an 'evil piece of crap', which is sort of true? He didn't kill Captain Red, but he did kill King Piccolo. This might've been because he knew that Piccolo was pure evil or that he killed his friends, but then we see Nappa, Vegeta, and Frieza kill his friends, yet he tries to spare Vegeta and Nappa. The only people he wanted to kill and tried to honestly were Piccolo, Cell, and Buu, but those guys seem more like monsters than people.
It's still not much smarter. I'm pretty sure the reason they call him stupid is how utterly dumb it is to even consider Raddiz was being honest. That really not mattering doesn't make Goku smarter and he typically is that gullible, and that makes him mildly stupid.
There's also another thing Raditz could have done with his tail being grabbed and that is rolling out of the way or jumping out of the way right when Piccolo long the special beam Cannon.
Wonder why they never wished Radditz and Napa back. Especially since there are so few of them left. You would think that post super sayajin they would have done the old revive and befriend.
This is the same goku that let vegeta go so he can fight him again. Goku has been a softy and he also did things so he could fight, he even tried to have freiza survive, yall are insane if you think he really didn’t let go of raditz tail simple because he said he was his brother, he definitely would. He’s been through the same type of stuff in the dragon ball series as well. He hasn’t changed at all lol, he’s not dumb he’s just to compassionate and goku was written in a way to be the generic hero with compassion and forgiveness. Raditz could move, that’s was abundantly clear.
I'll be honest... that's a reach. The only reason Goku let go of the tail is because of his naivety after Radditz's plea, not because he knew Radditz could cut it himself; the scene makes it very clear. And as you rightfully mentioned, dbz goku would always try to convince his opponents to leave the fight (same with Nappa, Vegeta, Ginyu force etc) If he really knew, that wouldn't make sense he'd grab the tail in the first place. The reason he says "he knows" is because after the first time, Radditz rightfully so expects Goku to grab his tail again.
I think it was a combination of both. Goku felt inclined to give a brother a chance, but I also think he could have seen Raditz was playing a trick and he couldn't allow the second Makan to be wasted.
I personally think that Goku letting go raditz's tail has nothing to do with him being cunning nor intelligent. He did have that moment of weakness by Raditz plea (acting), and I don't blame him.. I would do the same thing because I would anticipate things like what if Raditz meant his word, he might turn good side? he would be a valuable ally. BUT I am willing to bet my bottom dollar that Goku didnt actually think few steps ahead and anticipated things like Gohan's rage or raditz cutting his own tail as way to escape. It was merely pure kindness. Now the better question is... when Raditz was grabbed in full nelson, why didnt he create artificial moon to escape goku's grab.. I am just thinking about it considering Vegeta's statement that every saiyan is able to create artificial moon by sacrificing all their energy
Goku doesn't know shit about anything, unless its about how to take a punch and serve one. If he did not see any other sure fire way to beat Raddits at this moment, then we can assume there was none - given the state of the fighters, at that moment.
Did you forget back in Dragonball even though Goku did have said weakness he like Nappa and Vegeta worked hard and overcame it which was shown when he fought with Krillin in the world Martial arts Tournament.
You guys are giving Goku way too much credit. Raditz wouldn't have begged for his life like that if he had any other way out of it. Like, it's OKAY for one of the strongest characters in all of fiction to have one single weakness. You don't have to stan so hard, Goku's fine.
Gonna be a no for me dog lol. Goku was clearly being dumb. He didnt do it for a smart reason. 10 min video sheesh. Happy you making content but damn my guy. Besides plot no goku was not being smart lmao he got tricked. No one in the history of the world has been tricked and looked at and was like " damn that guy was actually smart " lmao
Raditz was just exaggerating to bait piccolo. Raditz can cut off his tail he's just making sure that piccolo wastes his special beam cannon but yeah this should not be a 10 min video
That tail is a big power source. Since Raditz’s body never disappeared unlike Goku imagine sending Raditz to hell according to King Yemma meant a coma with nightmares and then Yemma says you need to live with that wound.
Another theory:
While holding Raditz's tail, Goku realized he would have to deal with Chichi after the battle and death seemed like a sweeter option. Sacrificing himself seemed like the best option at the time for him : Raditz would be stopped and Chichi wouldn't be able to nag him for a while. Goku then smiled before dying because he was satisfied on how well his plan was going and how nobody caught on the true reason of his sacrifice.
Brilliant!
Clearly you don't seem to know what the word nag actually means cuz if you did you realize Chichi doesn't actually do lol
And like most people you skip the part where Goku said he loved that about chichi, saying men are into that kind of stuff, so either stop trolling or pay attention to the story lol 🤭
@@ChiChiLand299 I love Chichi and I don't think she's ACTUALLY a nag, but it's a funny bit that has been going on for decades so I just sorta roll with it.
@@ChiChiLand299 learn how to take a joke 🤣
@@ChiChiLand299 tfs iteration says otherwise, its a joke that most people know due to tfs dbza lmao, light hearted humor def went over ya head. If you are so involved with the story, then maybe go look at parodies of it since they may shine a light in a different, darker humor sense..wait..you wouldnt be able to follow along with half the jokes
"He can cut off his tail!"
"You knew?!"
That's very conclusive, good theory!
Completely left out of the anime, that's why I like reading the manga
@@FirstnameLastname-yc2mt It wasn't left out out the anime. On the original version in japanese, it was said exactly as in the manga.
@@fabricealluma7236 well, I speak English
@@FirstnameLastname-yc2mt I speak french and english, watched the OG with subtiltes. U should give a try.
@@fabricealluma7236 that's really cool bro.
I'm not going to go back and rewatch anime subbed for a few lines of dialogue
I've noticed that when the topic of 'Goku being smart' comes along, knowledge of Dragon Ball helps to understand how smart he can actually be. Just in the topic of the tail, Goku learned to use his tail as a helicopter and trained not to be stunned from a trail grab before he learned to fly.
I can totally buy the theory that Goku took the risk because he knew Raditz could cut his tail off, since he took the risk already that Raditz wouldn't had trained to withstand the tail grab. Piccolo wasn't around when Goku had the weakness and lost the weakness, thus Piccolo couldn't know Nappa's training.
At around 7:20 he says after the second special beam cannon piccolo would of had no power left yet he had enough power to regrow his arm which takes up enormous amounts of energy as seen by how much power Nail dropped when he did it against Frieza. Also Nail was fresh when he regenerated his arm and only did that one hit on Frieza's neck before Frieza ripped it off while Piccolo was fighting constantly and wore out from fighting Raditz with no arm and two special beam Cannon's plus piccolo had enough power to fly away which back then took up mega amounts of power which is why Goku used the flying nimbus
@@OverRule1 It would be nice analysis topic to compare Warrior Namekians like Piccolo and Nail.
TLDR: Guardians are not as good Warriors as the Evil Ones.
I feel Toriyama has been consistent in original manga when it comes to Piccolo's Namekian powers. King Piccolo made an egg, even if it made him weaker, yet still he was strong enough to defeat un-boosted well-fed Goku. Later King Piccolo released his full power even though it could shorten his life expectancy, yet still considering how long Kami has lived - not an issue. Piccolo Jr (or Piccolo in Z) inherit everything from King Piccolo, and regenerating an arm during the tournament similar implications - it lowered the strength but it's not noticeable when power levels are close to equal.
But main difference between Nail and Piccolo: one is Guardian and one is the Evil one. One fights when they have to, the other one fights when they want to. This was also demonstrated well during the tournament arc. Even if Kami and Piccolo are the same being, Piccolo who kept battling through out the years became stronger than the other one, who focused on intervene only when they had to.
its not really a theory if theres a panel where he says it
It can still be analyzed. At least I haven't come across that discussion too often (if at all).
@@OverRule1 Would have*
(Yes it's that important that you stop saying "Would of" like a fucking Chav.)
Goku is much smarter than people give him credit for. Tbh, I enjoy Goku being a goofy and funny fella because seeing goku be just some "powerful stoic man that doesn't talk a lot" would really ruin the entire story
Yeah, makes it more impactful when he gets serious from time to time as well
@@Henvag True
Smart huh… reviving Frieza on namek was smart huh. Giving cell a senzu was smart huh.
@@ZeusDaEvilOne "reviving freiza on namek"
"Giving cell a Senzu"
Firstly, Goku didn't "revive" freeza.Freeza wasn't even dead.
And if you're referring to Goku giving him some energy, Goku didn't give him likd his entire energy. He gave him just enough energy to make it out of namek and survive. It's called Mercy. After Freeza betrays him, Goku (in his mind thinking that he killed him) had a deep remorse, it just shows that Goku gave Freeza a chance to save himself, or change his ways but he didn't and instead betrayed him.
And for the "Giving Cell a Senzu bean"Goku knew Gohan was ready, and knew he just needed a little push. After fighting cell himself, Goku knew that Gohan would unlock his full potential and defeat him.
It wasn't Goku giving a senzu which was wrong (like if being trusted in your son's abilities is a crime, then beat me), it was his miscalculations which led to the death of 16. And even his "miscalculation" isn't really a miscalculation, like how are you supposed to know if someone's "90%" ready or "95%" ready (unless if you're and android). And hell, Goku was right, Gohan did unlock his full power and did defeat cell (altho it was Gohan who extended the whole issue). So Goku wasn't wrong here either
But you know what they say, Never argue with Dragon Ball "Fans", they have never watched the show. Just like you!
goku was still stupid for letting go of his tail the first time, besides raditz would be weakened if he did cut it off.
I think what confuses a lot of people here is Raditz begging Goku to let him go. People think that A) Raditz was truly desperate and that B) Raditz honestly believed Goku would let him go. Raditz honestly believed he was going to have to cut off his tail. He wasn't begging Goku for mercy because he was truly hoping for it. He was exaggerating his own vulnerability for Piccolo. He wanted Piccolo to take the bait. If he was going to have to sacrifice his tail, he wanted to be sure that Piccolo would waste that special beam canon. He wasn't trying to convince Goku to let him go, He was trying to convince Piccolo he was truly vulnerable and helpless. Goku realized that Raditz was playing it up and that Piccolo was falling right into his trap. So he released the tail. Not because he believed Raditz would change, but because he knew this wasn't going to work. Raditz honestly didn't think that Goku would let go, he was more focused on getting Piccolo to fire the special beam canon, Hence his shock and Exclamation "You FOOL!" when Goku released his tail. Goku didn't know what would happen next, but he knew that Raditz was going to cut off his tail and dodge the special beam canon and then they would be helpless against Raditz. That's why when Goku grabbed Raditz with the full nelson Raditz realized goku was not in fact a fool, but was onto his plan.
TL:DR goku went for the full nelson the second time, sacrificing himself instead of grabbing the tail again because he knew Raditz would cut it off at the last second.
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Also, betting on Raditz deciding to stop the fight after being shown mercy was the only way they could survive, Goku knew it probably wouldn't work but holding on to the tail any longer was suicide anyway.
It’s likely but I don’t think it’s the reason Goku let go of his tail. I don’t think it was Goku’s naive nature but rather his pure heart. That’s what makes him unique among everyone else. He values life. One of his moves is the spirit bomb.The first episode shows him denying his brother’s request to kill other humans and join him in conquest. But if you look at his track record he has a history of forgiving his enemies and making them allies/rivals. He would rather see them change.Which is something the video does not mention.
@@ilcamileon6617 that what it was i think people over thinking lol
Wrong. Goku calls him a liar in suprise after raditz elbows him.
Great video
I say it was more luck than anything, there was no way Goku would know Gohan would Attack Raditz the way his did, creating the opportunity for a Win.
I agree! Luck played a huge part of it! It just seemed like Goku knew "this won't do it" when holding the tail knowing there's only 1 SBC left. Raditz was so quick after Goku released that Goku had zero chance to switch to a Full Nelson. Raditz needed distracting.
Thanks for watching though!
After Goku let go of Raditz's tail, he was in a position where he needed some sort of miracle to happen, so he took the opportunity for a full-nelson after said miracle. They likely would've died had Gohan not created the opening that Goku needed to hold Raditz in place
Completely agree!!
I just don't see Goku being a fool in this fight nor it costing his life. What happened was the only way to beat Raditz on that battlefield.
Gohan the miracle.
Piccolo the weapon.
Goku the smart sacrifice.
No, the full Nelson strategy was definitely more risky than the tail gripping and waiting for piccolo to use special beam canon.
The logic behind radiz was crafty that he could have found a way out is pure agenda driven, especially suggesting had enough iq to make himself seem weakened when he got his tail grabbed. If he was that crafty why didn't he you know shot out a beam from his back and impale goku using that.
Without Gohan, they wouldn't have won. Raditz would have broke out of the Full Nelson if he was fresh. Goku realised Gohan hurt Raditz and took advantage of it.
@SaiyanScholar okay, doesn't change the fact that if you believe raditz is indeed smart and deceiving enough to fake exhaustion then why couldn't he have broken out goku grasp using as i said ki, or flight (if he couldn't go up go down, these characters are strong enough to ignore dirt and goku wouldn't be exactly something like that), your whole video relies on the idea that raditz is smart when he's shown to not be.
Also the logic goku has to not grab the tail again is stupid, just prevent him from touching his tail when he's on the ground raditz was clearly shocked about gohans power so much he forgot he had ki when goku was hugging him. Goku is under the impression raditz could take off his tail but why would he assume that are saiyans like those lizards that can shoot off there tails, why and how would goku know about it.
Just say you have an agenda
@nani4249 After Raditz was assaulted by Gohan, he no longer had enough ki to break out of Goku's firm grasp because Gohan injured him that badly. It was smart for Goku to trap Raditz in a full nelson instead of going for the tail again because what was gonna stop Raditz from elbowing Goku in his temple during his attempt to unwrap his tail? Goku going for a full Nelson was a less risky and faster way to trap Raditz while he was stunned. Also, it's dumb to question how Goku knew that Raditz would cut off his tail, given Goku also had his tail cut off before.
DBZ eras and yes Goku was much smarter in DBZ rather than super
Even super goku is decent, contrary to popular belief. Not the brightest, but definitely not a "black hole" as people claim him to be
No he wasn't. Go watch the episodes where Goku and Vegeta are inside of Buu. It's ridiculous how y'all think he's digressed so much, when he's always been this childish person
Goku made dumb decisions even in Dragonball, Goku fangirls need to watch it again more closely.
@@Citizen_Nappa23 seriously. It's like they forgot the writers were blatantly trying to remind us he was hit on his head as a child and that changed his nature
@@NeCoruption Good luck changing other’s minds with that display of ignorance on your post. Lol
I really don't feel like we can credit the wise choice of Goku dropping Raditz's tail to his brilliance and more to the fortunate circumstances of the writing. There was nothing in that scene to suggest otherwise. I do agree that Goku letting Raditz go was likely the better choice in hindsight, but pretending like allowing Raditz to get the upper hand again, letting his ribs get crushed, and relying on his 4 year old son to come in and give him the opportunity to finish off Raditz is Goku playing 4D chess is farfetched. If Goku was so smart about it, what was his plan after letting Raditz go? Was he just giving up and declaring his defeat then, or are we expected to believe he could see the future like his father?
Him letting his brother go was absolutely due to his naivete, and there was just no reason to try that strategy again since Raditz was aware of it. I feel like that extra line in the manga about Goku knowing about Raditz cutting off his tail is either a post-hoc meta explanation from Toriyama or the aforementioned not trying the same strategy twice.
The video wasn't talking about 4D chess, though; as that would suggest Toriyama had the whole fight plotted out, and this doesn't seem to be suggesting that. It just made sense why Goku made those individual choices, consistent with who he is as a character. Sure... it had some fortunate writing, but there were also desperate adaptations being made, which takes a lot of effort and creativity in the writing. Toriyama is a discovery writer/pantser. It takes a different skillset to write that way.
@@beastmage3 I don't know how you didn't get the implication that Goku was being smarter than we thought in the video. That is exactly what SaiyanScholar implied by emphasizing Goku's supposed intellect and that's how the rest of these comments took it as well.
I won’t even give you that it was a wise choice in hindsight. Raditz was on the ground, if he cut off his tail and dodged the special beam cannon would’ve hit the ground not Goku.
@@Phillylove100 I don't think Picollo has the energy to just be shooting 1 zillion special beam cannons this early in the plot, bro would be juiced after his second
@@humanconvertileGoku's tail was removed and regrew during Dragonball, so it makes perfect sense to think that he knew raditz could cut his tail off with the knowledge that it would regrow
Gohan positively rocked raditz's shit with that charging headbutt. It was the perfect distraction, and it really cleared up a lot of work for Goku tryna stick that full nelson on raditz.
I also find it kinda silly to suggest that grabbing the tail a second time, or even that hanging on to it woulda sufficed in keeping Raditz still long enough.
Ever been popped in the nose? It makes your eyes water. Temporarily.
A great point. Sometimes even us biggest fans forget how much of a tactical genius Goku is at fighting. He quite often reads his opponents' combat plans as instinctively as motorists read road signs.
uh is that a joke? or like do you live somewhere that people actually gaf about road laws
@@M4shus I don't see how it's relevant. Most people who don't care about road laws still read the road signs. They just choose to ignore them.
The irony, is that if Goku didn’t give Piccolo a second chance, he wouldn’t have been able to help him defeat his brother.
So Goku giving Cell a bean and letting Raditz's tail go was all 300 IQ moves
😂 yeah moves that almost got everyone killed
Yeah. The only thing Goku didnt envisioned was Cell spawning Cell Jr's.
Understandably so.
Some of us realized why Goku let go of the tail reading manga closely, what I do not get is how Goku plan on getting Raditz killed after letting go of his tail? No way he planned on Gohan breaking out of Raditz' Saiyan pod after hearing his father's cries. Does he plan on grabbing Raditz's foot to prevent him from moving around, even tho Raditz can easily sway his hands away?
What Goku was betting on, if he assumed Raditz was telling the truth, was that he may just decide to leave the fight right there out of gratitude. It was a very low chance, but it was all they had because holding on to the tail any longer wasn't going to work. It was a miracle that Gohan helped them and he saw his chance to get Raditz with the Full Nelson.
Goku saved Piccolo's energy for later when he went for the Full Nelson. No I don't think he knew Gohan could injure him but he knew they'd definitely lose if Piccolo missed a ki blast and was then out of energy and time
This feels like a retcon.
Raditz did not anticipated Goku to grab his tail because it is similar to a man grabbing another man’s d.
Goku had grew beyond the tail issue when he was a kid. People seem to forget that, the second torment he fought in when he fought Krillin he let it be known the that he had grown passed that weakness…..
Yeah kinda undermines a lot. I remember the tail copter like tails in sonic lol. Still a fun big brain theory vid, let alone no way they'd be a match for nappa and then vegeta (fortunately they didn't fight goku at the same time) without king kai's training.
yeah, he did. but he certainly didnt do it in like 3 minutes 😭
Its funny how this slowed down fight where just shooting a blast is a whole event is so much more memorable than the modern stuff of 20k energy blasts and everyone zipping aorund at light speed.
The Budokai 1 OST is such a great music choice for this vid
My earliest memories of Dragon Ball is the Budokai games, and especially the Raditz fight 😤
Saiyan Scholar: So what do you think about...
Audience: Well my opinion is...
Saiyan Scholar: WRONG!
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Here's the thing: Goku trained so his tail wouldn't be a weakness. And that's when he was much weaker (still kid Goku btw), so there's no way Raditz hadn't. Raditz was definitely playing up his "vulnerability."
The thing is Goku only trained that because people kept taking advantage of his weakness because they knew about it solely from being around Goku throughout his life, Raditz would've had no reason to train to get rid of that weakness because no one on the planets they invaded really knew about it.
@@EmperorFriezaTheSaiyanBeater yet, Vegeta and Nappa trained so their tails wouldn't be a weakness when they conquered planets. They've said as much. Raditz was part of that team and their punching bag, so he'd have reason to.
@@FleeceJohnsonDaBootyWarrior Yeah that makes sense, Raditz did have some strength left when his tail was held onto unlike Goku when he was a kid so he's likely trained it as well but not enough for complete resistance like Nappa and Vegeta had. I doubt he was playing up his vulnerability because he really wouldn't have anything to gain from it, and he definitely did have enough strength so that he could cut it off like he said in the video.
@@EmperorFriezaTheSaiyanBeater Goku was the same way after training. It's definitely plausible, likely even, that Raditz did as well. He seemed ready to cut his losses and remove his tail.
@@FleeceJohnsonDaBootyWarrior vegeta and Napa didn’t train to get rid of that weakness they stated they as upper class evolved beyond that weakness
Another possible point to consider would be that Piccolo punched a very large hole through a mountain when he missed with the first Makankosappo. A close range ground shot could have severely endangered Piccolo, Goku, and Gohan whether it connected with Raditz or not. Whether or not it occurred to Goku to keep Raditz standing with a full nelson, it was the right call. His son was prone only a meter or two away on the second attempt.
The problem is that Goku let go of the tail because he was trying to show mercy. Not because he was actively making a tactical choice. Even if he knows Raditz could escape anyways, he still didn't have any better options immediately available. It's only by sheer chance of Gohan intervening to weaken Raditz that made the rest of the events possible. So he was still a fool in that moment for believing Raditz, just a lucky one, sort of.
they would have been worse off if he kept holding onto the tail tho, and he literally called raditz out when he was holding him. did you even pay attention to the video.
@@nolife4218 I know that things conveniently worked out. That's obvious. I'm saying that Goku did not let go of the tail as a tactical choice, he did it because he figured showing mercy in that moment might work out better than trying to kill Raditz. In the exact moment he first got the tail, he had no other options available whether he figured holding the tail was going to work or not. He did not let go out of some genius 4D chess strategy to full nelson him later. He let go because he was desperate and figured showing mercy might help. Raditz was too strong to hold any other way until Gohan injured him. There is no way Goku would've assumed that Gohan was going to do that. Goku does not have magic, Bardock special foresight. If Gohan did not intervene, Goku and Piccolo were screwed regardless. Did you even pay attention when you read my comment? Or are you just trying to sound smarter than you are?
@@mojaxon23If Goku was actually desperate he would have told Piccolo to fire the special beam cannon or if Piccolo couldn't they would attempt to kill him in one way or another + he literally knew Raditz can cut off his tail because he said it and Raditz said "how did you know"
@@BBroski That whole comment changes nothing. Goku just went with the options he had available, and picked the less tactical and more compassionate option that happened to work out when it otherwise would not have because of 3rd party intervention.
He could've either held on or let go. Simple as that. The smart play with the information he had available in that moment was to hold on and he chose not to. He got lucky that Gohan attacked Raditz. There was no 4D chess involved here. Dude just got lucky. Why people think Goku has some magic foresight and knew what was going to happen is beyond me.
Why wouldn't Goku know Raditz could escape anyway? Cutting his tail if he had to is an obvious move, anyone could've figured that out, it isn't that hard. But forcing Raditz to do so would still be somewhat better than just letting him go and taking the ass whupping for no real reason other than hope that Raditz had suddenly changed his mind. Goku could not have realistically predicted anyone was going to help him, so he was trying to use kindness to hopefully win when everything else he could do had failed. He does not have foresight, and he did not make some epic 4D chess move to win. He got lucky.
@@mojaxon23 Who said Goku was expecting to be knocked down and who said he would expect Gohan to help?
People probably wouldn't think that if it was included in something other than manga...which is newer than what came out
Wow goku really was the man in DBZ. Cool info man thanks 🙏🏻
In a way Raditz helped both Goku learned about his origins as a saiyan warrior. Piccolo, later by vegeta and nappa said he was a namekian.
I like this. Radish is not as strong as Cabbage and Vegetable, but he is a warrior. They probably wouldn't give a damn about the tail or not, but the tail is the catalyst to summoning the mighty Oozaru when they stare at a full moon. It's strategic to keep it, and as a warrior they also know that their tail is a weakness because someone can grab their tail (evidenced by the fact that they wrap it around their waist).
The backup plan to cut off their tail is most likely because that in the heat of battle, they won't focus on things like keeping their tail wrapped around. Manga or anime don't have to be realistic, but this is reasonable
Sometimes people forget this is the same Goku who had the foresight to let Vegeta live after beating him, and also the same Goku who figured out how to bait Cell into bringing out Gohans true potential.
Yeah. Goku's choices might seem naive at best and boneheaded at worst at face value, but Goku's a lot smarter than he's given credit for being.
Actually raditz would have beat goku not kill him, then Gohan nd raditz would have an arc on "how to be a saiyan" then goku goes on an arc to find his son
Toriyama wanted to make sure there was a good enough reason for this character to not have an arc and never come back, and this tactic he used, although brilliant subterfuge, is of the lowest caliber of morality trick of trying to appear weak begging for life lying about being good after what he did and said.
Gotta love it when the manga blatantly tells us that Raditz already had that plan cooked up and that Goku knew that now that he is aware of the Special Beam Cannon so it isn't going to be effective as a surprise attack anymore.
Piccolo: "I got one more technique!"
Goku:"You do?"
Piccolo: " Yes, but you have to distract him while I charge it"
Goku: "That doesn't sound to bad..."
Piccolo: "For 5 Minutes, and considering how he beat us both up... well I am sure you can handle it!"
*Goku will remember that*
@@SC-Skye-Gaming proceeds to repeat it the next saga.
Did... did you just hold a grudge?
"Charging my attack"
Good ole DBZ: Budokai on the Nintendo GameCube 🎮🥋🔮🐉 Getting Piccolo to hit Raditz with that Special Beam Cannon on that game as a kid was hard af 🤦🏾♂️😭
Raditz,the start of all the madness and storyline in dbz and kinda super
1: Goku has always been like this. There isn't a magic divide between kid Goku and adult Goku. Adult Goku ended Buu, tried to end Cell, and encouraged Gohan to end him after. Pleading is his weakness, Tao and Freeza both used it too. When someone is begging for their life Goku finds it very hard to finish them.
2: Raditz COULD have done it. Goku himself did it when fighting Grandpa Gohan. Not because he was strong enough to resist, but because if there's enough of a struggle it will just straight up detach. When Raditz says "You knew!?" it is more "You know?!"
Sorry, but yes. Goku acted very foolishly here because of his bleeding heart. And that's fine. Trying to make Goku perfect is extremely irritating. He's a flawed character and it makes him more interesting.
9:43 Well Piccolo couldn't have known that because he wasn't a Saiyan and never knew about this weakness (Goku didn't even had a tail back then). The question is why didn't Raditz remove his tale when Goku got him but instead begged for his life? Maybe he wanted to test Goku if he is ruthless enough to join them for one last time?
Makes sense that he tried to plead to his Brother before resorting to cutting the tail off. He had time to do it.
@@SaiyanScholar I guess so. But honestly It's pathetic that Raditz has this weakness when Goku was able to remove it when he was half his age, especially when his two comrades had also removed that weakness.
I think Raditz wasn't fully paralysed and was counting on cutting his tail. I think he was BS'ing some of the pain and could have got out of it if he really tried.
Raditz is stronger with his tail like all saiyans are, so if he can convince his brother to let go he gets to keep his extra strength, if memory serves adult saiyans aren't able to regrow their tail so losing it this time would be a permanent downgrade in power and losing access to his great ape form
@@midorisetsuna7334 I don't know about adult Saiyans not regrowing their tails. When Vegegeta recovered from his fight on Earth he said that his tail would regrow. It didn't but that was mostly due to Toriyama forgetting or simply wanting to get rid of them. I think Raditz would still have an advantage over them even after losing a bit of power.
Well when you put it that way I guess it makes sense
This is crazy that I didn't even know this information
Raditz is so cool...wish he could've been brought back...I can only imagine scenes of raditz growing far stronger and keeping up with the rest of the group. And maybe even getting a piece of frieza. If raditz only stuck around for the namek arc, it would have been splendid and i would have been happy with that. Raditz learning about how planet vegeta really went out could have been a character turning moment. And maybe he could have had beef with vegeta since vegeta seemed largely indifferent to this fact and stuff...(maybe I'm wrong in my memory about all that). Anyone who tries to justify raditz having such a short spotlight is lame and has no imagination :(
0:53 I had so much trouble playing this part of the game cause I was dying at how theyre positioned and the way theyre moving so aggressively like Radotz is getting dominated by his brother 😂😂😂😂
Another thing people overlook is that holding Raditz in a full-nelson makes him a much easier target to hit, versus him lying flat on the ground when Goku's holding his tail. Piccolo already missed him once, so making sure he's standing upright is a smart idea.
Finally. Justice for Goku.
Raditz is my favorite
Same such a shame Goku's fam was doomed to disappear forevermore.
Makes sense if he didn't d!3 then would have never learned kaioken and spirit bomb and probably wouldn't have been able to take on Nappa let alone stood a chance against Vegeta.
even if Raditz severed his own tail wouldn't he still be in some sort of weakness after? that first ape transformation against Pilaf when Goku got his tail cut off he had to relearn to walk again, he couldn't balance. in other animals including apes the tail is an extension of the spine. for Raditz I believe over time he'd get used to it but right after he wouldn't be the same fighting level. it would be a quick escape but how would things go after?
that does not really apply in this situation for two reasons.
first off the tail makes up a much smaller percentage of an adult saiyans body mass, so it's effect on balance would be much smaller to begin with.
secondly and much more importantly, radditz showed that he was able to fight unhindered with his tail wrapped around his waist, so he clearly knows how to fight without using it for balance.
@@windhelmguard5295 I think ppl also forgot radditz was a high caliber saiyan warrior I'm pretty sure they would teach them how to balance n counter balance with or without his tail just incase it ever got cut off in base form
I do think him being his only family did have a small part in Goku letting go I mean he had to be at least slightly interested in that fact that he could learn more about where he came from
Imagine what would happen if radits came at night
people need to understand goku isnt stupid. he isnt really a fool either. he just lets his saiyan tendencies get in the way and is far too trusting of people. but in reality he is a genius when it comes to martial arts and fighting. hes just not book smart
such a reach, theres nothing to suggest he wasnt stunned or had any plan and to suggest goku was also aware of radditz plan when their entire strategy was to grab his tail is insane. I also think radditz is too prideful to beg unless necessary and he was so strong he intended to defeat them w force alone
Raditz is probably one of the more tragic characters in the series. Its implied he was never truly evil, only forced to do evil because he would either die by his own comerades hand (vegeta/nappa), or die by freeza or one of his goons hands. But instead he just died by his brother's hands. He was basically forsaken by everyone. And being the son of bardock, its safe to assume he had alot of potential in him.
That said, i dont think vegetas character would have allowed for goku, gohan, AND radditz to be stronger than him.
Did they know Gohan would have attacked and weakend Radish? I don't think so
just because in the end they won doesn't mean it was smart idea
Happy to see that I'm not alone in seeing the confirmation bias mixed with speculation.
The raditz fight had a ton of plot armor. Raditz wasn't allowed to power up to full power. He couldn't launch one signature move. Was constantly blindsided by goku, the silly tail weakness, and piccolo
@@Jiron127 I mean ignoring the games it’s possible he just doesn’t have any signature moves
They didn’t know, but it doesn’t mean they couldn’t take advantage of the situation. If goku knew that raditz could rip off his tail then the full nelson was a good idea as explained in the video. Him initially letting go of the tail was if he knew he could rip it off and surprise them is not dumb by any means.
@@Jiron127 because as Vegeta said, Raditz is just a wimp. he was right, Goku and Piccolo thought they were the strongest Earthlings at that point and proven Master Roshi's words that there's always someone who's stronger than you.
Raditz wasn't a special Saiyan after all compared to Nappa and Vegeta of course, he's just Vegeta's colleague after all but a very weak one since Raditz' power is comparable just to a little Saibaiman power.
Solid analysis.
Goku sacrificed himself in order to save his son? What a bad dad. Rip bozo
Ironically letting go raditz tail then dying vs raditz did more to save earth from Vegeta and nappa as trading on king Kai’s planet is equal to thousands of years of training on earth during the few months Goku was there
Coping with Goku lack of self survival (stupidity) is a hard pill to get down. Yeah, I like the dude but come on man 🤣 as soon as he let his brother go ... He got his tail handed to him. On the ground screaming in pain for that butt whooping. Whoop here whoop there 😂 where's next? What happened happen 🤷🏾♀️ guessing what would have happened is nice & all. But this is Goku man. He doesn't want to get the job done on anyone
😂 everyone here lost their minds. A Saiyan from that era wouldn't have cut iff their tail. He would've went though with that. The other Saiyans would've killed him. They already didn't like him. That's the worst thing ever im their minds. Look how mad his brother was when he found out goku removed his. Their culture takes proud of the tail's power under a full moon.
When a Saiyan that is still vulnerable through their tail gets their tail grabbed, they lose ALL their power. Goku stated this back in Dragonball. Therefore, how was Raditz gonna cut off his tail to escape? As for why Goku resorted to a Full Nelson instead of trying to grab Raditz's tail again, Goku was too injured to have enough leverage to pull his tail off his waist, let alone squeeze it. Goku was indeed naive to let Raditz's tail go, and Piccolo could've finished Raditz had he not, since the Special Beam Cannon travels at the speed of light and Raditz was powerless, so even if Goku let go just before the beam connected, Raditz would not have immediately gotten back the power needed to dodge.
Ohh so he played to his heart strings so he could keep his tail
He's still a fool, just a lucky fool
Saiyan Scholar,
Goku Wasn't Dumb He
Got Strategic By, His First Dragon Ball Z
Battle Against, Raditz
His Brother Said
He Knew
About
The Saiyan Tail's
Weakness Of Being Cut Off
Thanks
For Letting Everyone Finding Out The Answer
On, Why Goku Let Raditz Saiyan Tail Go
so one issue both Goku & Gohan have REGENERATED their tails naturally so its a moot point since Radits has access to advance medical tech he could simply regrow the tail even if he had to save the severed tail so Radits would not be reluctant to cut it off but rather his opportunity NEVER came up.
Goku is extremely smart especially when it comes to fighting, but I don't think the points on this video are correct...
1)Goku letting go off Raditz's tail had nothing to do with Raditz being able to "cut his tail off" if need be, yes Raditz could struggle a little bit, but he didn't have the strength to escape let alone cut off his own tail (basically an "if I punch myself" scenario). If Raditz truly had the strength to rip off his tail he would be strong enough to shake off Goku, and we've seen plenty of times that tearing a Saiyan's tail off isn't exactly easy, we could also probably guess that the toughness of the tail is proportional to the strength of the Saiyan...
2) I'm not in any way saying Goku was dumb for trusting Raditz, Goku is just the type of person who wants to see the good in people (Piccolo, Tien and even Yamcha were once Goku's enemies), so Goku wanted to believe that his only sibling could change and there is nothing wrong with that; in retrospect, at the time Raditz had only kidnapped Gohan and slapped Krillin, Raditz is the DBZ villain who has done the least harm to Goku or his friends. (It's actually more baffling how Goku quickly trusted Vegeta as a friend given that he did worse things)...
3) As for why Goku didn't go for the tail again: He just didn't have the chance to. After being released, Raditz knew that his tail could be targeted again so he was more cautious about exposing his tail, choosing to keep it wrapped more tightly. If Raditz was unable to escape Goku's grasp the first time around, being injured by Gohan would have meant he was even less likely to move after being grabbed by the tail and again let alone be able to cut it off for a quick escape; even if he somehow did he would be too weak and disoriented by the act to dodge Piccolo's beam. In the moment, since Raditz kept his tail more tightly wrapped, what would have been more viable to do? What could Goku do faster to stop Raditz from using his ki blast, crouch down to untie Raditz's tail without him noticing, or would he do a Full Nelson?
Again, I'm not in any way saying Goku was dumb or wrong in his choices, but I just wanted to give my two cents...
You'd think Radditz would just fly.
So Goku let go because raditz had a backup plan but Goku was still gambling everything by letting go he didn't know gohan would have an energy surge
The issue with the scene isnt that goku doesnt grab the tail the second time; its not even that goku lets him go in the first time. I mean ffs your explanation of how the scene works is literally just reading what happens in the scene, ofc thats not the issue.
The issue is that goku even tried the tail at all. It doesnt make sense. Goku had trained to not be paralyzed or weakened from his tail as a child, Raditz is far older, a trained soldier, and aware of his saiyan heritage. He should not be paralyzed; and more importantly Goku shouldve known that from the beginning, and never even tried for the tail. Its just poor writing meant to bait and switch the audience. The second goku grabs the tail, why doesnt raditz just turn around and kill him while his hands are on the tail? Plot, thats why.
if goku didn’t let go, he wouldn’t be able to train with king kai, which would indefinitely make him too weak to even stand up to nappa, which would end dbz at frieza saga, because vegeta wouldn’t get his zenkai boost from almost losing to the z fighters and yajirobe
I agree I was naive this makes way more sense. Dbs goku acts a little dumber though in some scenarios even though he is a genius for the most part.
DBZ abridged Goku is the best version of the character. Hit the muffin button if you agree!
Doesnt...that just make raditz the smart one for fooling goku into giving up an advantage for literally nothing?
If its true then make him cut his tail off.
Also not to mention gokus empathy was what gave him the idea to go for the tail.
He put himself in raditz shoes.
Wow, I never knew about Goku being a few steps ahead and anticipating his plan to cut off his own trail to escape .. never read this information from the manga. Very interesting perspective! Great video.
*How* would he do that? If the tail weakness was still present, he couldn't move to do it. If it wasn't then he could just dodge the narrowish beam attack
And even if he grabbed the tail and if they one and goku survived he would learn kioken and that was a huge factor in the goku vs Vageta fight
whenever Goku does something dumb in Z he gets a video essay saying it's smart
whenever Goku does something with high battle IQ in Super, he gets a bunch of YT comments saying he didn't think it through and it was just writing contrivances
fml lol
You about to make me go back and listen to the dialogue...
You said that OG Dragon Ball Goku would kill someone if they were being an 'evil piece of crap', which is sort of true? He didn't kill Captain Red, but he did kill King Piccolo. This might've been because he knew that Piccolo was pure evil or that he killed his friends, but then we see Nappa, Vegeta, and Frieza kill his friends, yet he tries to spare Vegeta and Nappa. The only people he wanted to kill and tried to honestly were Piccolo, Cell, and Buu, but those guys seem more like monsters than people.
It's still not much smarter.
I'm pretty sure the reason they call him stupid is how utterly dumb it is to even consider Raddiz was being honest. That really not mattering doesn't make Goku smarter and he typically is that gullible, and that makes him mildly stupid.
There's also another thing Raditz could have done with his tail being grabbed and that is rolling out of the way or jumping out of the way right when Piccolo long the special beam Cannon.
Bro Goku was very smart in Z but in super he's just plain dumb
9:51 Remember guys, this is battle IQ not regular IQ and Goku in Super let alone Z is, and has always been a fighting genius
I just notice Raditz got that McDonald’s hairline just like Vegeta.
You might be over thinking this.
But you might be right.
Damn goku smarter than me fr I woulda went for the tail again and got rocked 😂
Goku isn't stupid, he is just ignorant of most common concepts of the world. But in martial arts he is a straight genius
Wonder why they never wished Radditz and Napa back. Especially since there are so few of them left. You would think that post super sayajin they would have done the old revive and befriend.
I seen brother VS brother but.. what about Brother along side Brother
This is the same goku that let vegeta go so he can fight him again. Goku has been a softy and he also did things so he could fight, he even tried to have freiza survive, yall are insane if you think he really didn’t let go of raditz tail simple because he said he was his brother, he definitely would. He’s been through the same type of stuff in the dragon ball series as well. He hasn’t changed at all lol, he’s not dumb he’s just to compassionate and goku was written in a way to be the generic hero with compassion and forgiveness. Raditz could move, that’s was abundantly clear.
So xenoverse bad ending in the raidits fight is what could happened
I'll be honest... that's a reach. The only reason Goku let go of the tail is because of his naivety after Radditz's plea, not because he knew Radditz could cut it himself; the scene makes it very clear. And as you rightfully mentioned, dbz goku would always try to convince his opponents to leave the fight (same with Nappa, Vegeta, Ginyu force etc)
If he really knew, that wouldn't make sense he'd grab the tail in the first place.
The reason he says "he knows" is because after the first time, Radditz rightfully so expects Goku to grab his tail again.
I think it was a combination of both. Goku felt inclined to give a brother a chance, but I also think he could have seen Raditz was playing a trick and he couldn't allow the second Makan to be wasted.
I personally think that Goku letting go raditz's tail has nothing to do with him being cunning nor intelligent. He did have that moment of weakness by Raditz plea (acting), and I don't blame him.. I would do the same thing because I would anticipate things like what if Raditz meant his word, he might turn good side? he would be a valuable ally. BUT I am willing to bet my bottom dollar that Goku didnt actually think few steps ahead and anticipated things like Gohan's rage or raditz cutting his own tail as way to escape. It was merely pure kindness.
Now the better question is... when Raditz was grabbed in full nelson, why didnt he create artificial moon to escape goku's grab.. I am just thinking about it considering Vegeta's statement that every saiyan is able to create artificial moon by sacrificing all their energy
Goku doesn't know shit about anything, unless its about how to take a punch and serve one. If he did not see any other sure fire way to beat Raddits at this moment, then we can assume there was none - given the state of the fighters, at that moment.
Did you forget back in Dragonball even though Goku did have said weakness he like Nappa and Vegeta worked hard and overcame it which was shown when he fought with Krillin in the world Martial arts Tournament.
How did man talk about goku choosing to not keep holding a tail for 10 minutes
I’m sorry, nobody will ever be able to convince me that goku is smart.
You guys are giving Goku way too much credit. Raditz wouldn't have begged for his life like that if he had any other way out of it.
Like, it's OKAY for one of the strongest characters in all of fiction to have one single weakness. You don't have to stan so hard, Goku's fine.
There is no "too much"... He flat out knew. Lol.
Gonna be a no for me dog lol. Goku was clearly being dumb. He didnt do it for a smart reason. 10 min video sheesh. Happy you making content but damn my guy. Besides plot no goku was not being smart lmao he got tricked. No one in the history of the world has been tricked and looked at and was like " damn that guy was actually smart " lmao
Raditz was just exaggerating to bait piccolo. Raditz can cut off his tail he's just making sure that piccolo wastes his special beam cannon but yeah this should not be a 10 min video
That tail is a big power source. Since Raditz’s body never disappeared unlike Goku imagine sending Raditz to hell according to King Yemma meant a coma with nightmares and then Yemma says you need to live with that wound.
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Thank you so much!
if raditz survived. how much potential do yall think he would have?
A lot. Probably the same as Goku and Vegeta. I only wish that Raditz survived
We all knew this as kids. When the manga was new to North America.