Me at the beginning of the video: "Well that's the dumbest writing prompt I've ever heard in my life" Me by the end: "Where can I pre-order this novel? and when will it be made into a movie?"
OMG, I was thinking the same exact thing. I can't believe that Ellen Brock turned one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard of in my life into a novel I wouldn't mind reading.
I'm one minute into the vid and if I hadn't seen this comment I would have been gone. I mean, I was mentally prepared for the dumb writing prompt, but geesh, that was horrible
This is brilliant, it showcases one of the most important things about outlining that I struggled with before I figured it out. Build your story on a message, don't wait for your story to produce a message - it won't happen.
Technically discovery writers (otherwise called pantsers) tend to “find” the message of stories as they write them, and it works just fine for them. Of course, that draft is put through a dozen revisions to ensure that everything is consistent later on, but the point still stands. As long as you keep plot structure in mind while you write, you essentially get the same thing.
So that if you have to make a choice with where you wanna go with either the plot or a small detail, you know right away which choice you should make even if initially both options would be equally good
Wow. When she began I was so disappointed in the example story idea. It was basic and boring. It was garbage. And when she started breaking it down it became plausible. Then somewhere around the 3/4 mark I had to keep rewinding to get the points she was making because the characters were talking and distracting me. It went from juvenile garbage to something that I’d like to read, or write, in less than 15 minutes. Ellen has some serious skills.
Right? Do they get back together? Does she come back strong and win next year? Does she team up with the antagonist and start a baking company that specializes in sailor-themed confections? We need to know!
@@Steelburgh actually, after she returns home that day, a spaceship hits the roof of that house, through an entangled mesh of stuff she realizes the arch rival is actually an alien from a far-off planet, and that's how she wins always against her. After she discusses the matter with James Bond... oops, no-the original story was better than this cliché!
Plot twist, the romantic partner and the arch rival are one and the same. She realizes this after she doesn’t win the final, but restarts the relationship anyways.
I feel like the love interest should have been a sailor as well, who wants the protagonist to come back, but supports her anyway. So, when she loses to her rival, she knows he'd try to get her to go back to being a sailor, and she might agree. As a result, she ignores all his calls and messages. Anyway, this video was quite interesting. I didn't think asking and answering some questions would help that much. I think I want to try it now.
I like your idea about the love interest being a sailor as well. I feel like it gives more purpose to the sailor detail that otherwise still felt random.
I wasn’t sold on the premise at first, but then little by little, you made the idea more and more compelling. A simple, yet lovely story. On a side note, I’m glad you’re using more visual aids in your videos. That’s always been something I found lacking in your earlier videos. For a visual medium like RUclips, showing what you’re saying can highlight the points you want to emphasize.
Story suggestion: it would be nice if the skills/experience gained from being a sailor ends up being a key to advancing her life. I think its good to remind people that the Universe is constantly doing things for our benefit, even if we don't recognize it right away
@@howedelamitri Strongly disagree on your point. Rohingya refugees would probably struggle to figure out how being raped, massacred, and driven off their lands by Myanmar's military in the hundreds of thousands is *The Universe* acting to their benefit. Even if you were right, the artist's view of the world is a crucial element in their style, something you don't need to comment on during the creative stage unless you're collaborating.
Wow! While I haven't gotten around to writing any baking novels yet, this is perhaps the most cogent summary of the outlining process ever. I guess I already knew a lot of this intuitively, but I've never seen it presented so clearly! Yet another reason why this is my favorite writing channel!!
It's really hard to link up the nonsense in those prompt generators, yet I can see a really charming, Great British Bake-Off -esk book series coming out of this. Respect.
The classic "put a goal and character that don't make sense together" technique XD Yet, at the end, I was thinking it was a pretty nice story. Might be because the topic of her being a sailor was smoothed over in the outline.
@@ledge-magee I've watched Brian Sanderson's lectures from BYU (Writing Fantasy and Science Fiction) and he promotes that same idea, the square peg in the round hole. Cast a character that should have been a sidekick type as the hero, or a love interest as the hero's Mentor, etc.
I am speechless. I've never seen a video nor read an article that so thoroughly placed me within the mind of a story builder. I’m encouraged by your willingness to resolve some plot questions later, but to push forward with the questions you can answer now. Personally, I tend to get frustrated when I don't know everything at the beginning, and I am therefore blocked and stop writing. Thanks for the reminder about how exciting and resourceful the imagination can be.
So I already had my story plotted, but this inspired me to go back and see if there's anything I should add or take away. Thanks for the great reminder.
I’m guessing we all mentally wrote vastly different stories as she was breaking down this process. It would be interesting to see how each of us answered the plot questions she asked.
I've been trying to find information on how stories are constructed and what makes them compelling and after finding almost nothing but vague and often contradicting information this channel is a godsend holy shit
Your videos persuaded me that writing is so much more about logic and system than people think. I'm discovering some perks of writing myself now, but your advices already helped me three or four times, so thanks:)
Thankyou so much for this. After watching a few 'how to develop your story' videos I was getting sick of them all being fluff and no content. Yours is a super practical, pragmatic and hands-on explanation - it's helped me a lot.
This is really good, thank you Ellen. I've had an idea for ages, which over time has evolved into a detailed setting with ideas for subplots, and some characters I'm happy with, but I've struggled to simplify it enough to tease out a compelling plot. I think this approach will really help.
Ellen Brock: "How does being a sailor affect her? Does she have to give up sailing for the baking competition? Me: "How is she a sailor from Reno? That's in Nevada! Did she move away from Reno to be a sailor? Why? Was sailing her first dream, and now she wants to bake? What did she have to give up to sail? Can we have a parallel between that and what she has to give up to bake?"
Because she lost her job to the rival, she went off an joined the Navy, or the merchant marine, or a king crab fishing boat off Alaska, as a cook. Now she's home, "A sailor home from the sea," and needs to find a second career. The rival was the reason she had to leave town. It's time for a token revenge by winning the contest.
best explanation of plotting i've come across yet. Most people just show a chart and break down the steps, and say "see? this is how you do it" with no information on turning these bullet points into actual plot. Good stuff.
I’m dyslexic. I have tried, so many times to build a novel - yet this has been the best way of learning for me. Show and tell. It works so well for me. Thank you very much Ellen. I look forward to learning more from you.
This was very helpful to me because I'm at the plotting stage of my story and I didn't really know how to move on. I enjoyed how you broke down each event in the story and the idea of asking questions is helpful too!
@@mariaallaine I find the best way to approach this is try to find the one that you BOTH feel most passionate about and have the most information on. That way you've got a good starting point but other plots you care about more aren't bugging you. Sometimes you can join premises up too
Ellen, your simplification of the outlining process is brilliant. My one ask is that you get a microphone for your channel because you deserve to be heard and it would be easier to hear you if you are not shouting at us. Love love love your channel! ❤ I just subscribed because I think you’re brilliant 🌺
Honestly Ellen you are the first person I've ever seen explain this call and response method so clearly. Not sure if this is exactly that or just similar but I understand this method so well will have to try soon
Came from your ‘4 writer types’ video. I couldn’t be sure which type I’d place myself in until just now, halfway through this vid. I was watching you list out scenes in chronological order when I felt an unspeakable dread in my guts - the pantser in me was howling in anguish😂 Anyway, I love all your videos and find them super helpful! You have such an amazing, efficient way of getting things across. And I love that you’re never judgemental when you talk about the common writer mistakes, be it technical or otherwise. I hope your channel brings you as much inspiration as it does for us:)
Also I'd love to see more Outlining a Writing Prompt videos from you! You really know how to work out those summaries! Another suggestion would be a video series about different genres, and how to focus on the relevant tropes ie. Crime/Mystery, Fantasy, Comedy/Romance, etc
I personally want how you explain and how you create your videos more better and better in time. The story is so good and lovely though. It makes me want to read the whole book!
This video was perfect! You know exactly what to say to get people motivated to write. This channel has made my writing and my novel so much stronger, I cannot thank you enough for all you do! 💙
Makes so much sense. These feel a lot like lessons for productivity in general: you actually know the basic steps of whatever you want to do. Get to what you font know through what you do, then Hit the ground running and dont slow yourself down unless absolutely necessary
Wow! By far, I would have to say this is my biggest setback as a writer, so I usually end up with more ideas and less and less outlines or further developments of them, but your process worked unbelievably well! I am now proud to say that my outline is far more concise and secure than I even hoped it would be on my own. Thank you!!
Thanks, Ellen. I'll use your ideas in my next project. My current project is at the query letter stage. I can hardly wait until Wednesday and Friday. Great work.
I've been itching to finally start writing, as I've never actually written a proper story in my life yet, and this really helps me get over that difficult slump of trying rationalise the plot. Thank you so much!
Excellent! A simple story rich with possibilities! Great job with your outline! Rival editor and co-author: She and the rival went to high school together. She and the rival were polar opposites (male V female mindset). She wants to prove to the rival that a male mindset doesn’t mean non female. She is determined to prove this by entering a baking competition that the school is holding. She is allowed to enter despite studying engineering (as it was open to the community). She is narrowly beaten to the winners post due to the rival’s superior knowledge in the kitchen. She is teased by the rival (mildly); and, instructed to become a mechanic or join the army. She decides to join the navy as a technician. She and the rival maintain their ‘mutual’ interest in each other (via friends and family). She has crewmates onboard that constantly want to see her female side. She already knows that the rival opened a cake shop in town (doing quite well, apparently). She then learns the rival wants to promote a production line of cakes using a competition. She is ribbed into competing by the crew but not by the friends (lack of confidence). She is hearted by the crew’s attempts to push her in the face of superior odds (their motto). She writes a letter to the rival asking if she can enter this competition ($5,000 prize). She is astonished to learn that rival will also compete (not announced previously). She is certain the rival is determined to prevent her from winning, yet again (crew now rattled). She is worried that the intervening years has made this rival’s skill legendary in the town. She spends the next three weeks in the hectic mess kitchen (off duty) to learn more about baking. She is visited by the crew but one there is overly concerned about her need to win (plot revealed). She is aware winning would be an impossible ask (previous attempts only moderate success). She and this special crewmate devise a recipe that can be worked on (his mother’s rum cake). She and her sister have been corresponding (learns that money could be useful to the family). She has her new ‘boyfriend’; bets on her from the crew; and, family and friends rooting for her. She writes a letter to someone (a close friend from high school) spelling out her fears. She is in this competition to prove she can compete in both worlds; but, fears how it’d affect her future as a woman and as a sailor (chef liked her style and found her handy in the kitchen - even promised to give her job if she wants to quite the engine room). How will the author proceed is what I’ll be looking forward too! Will she get her man? Is that college roommate more than a friend? Will she win? Sadly, we know the answer to that already. Will we be happy about it? We can’t expect her to win with against this rival. What will we get out of this defeat? She has her sights locked on to her target. Can we stick around and watch the kill? She vowed to return! The sequel: Operation Sea Biscuit! It's like a Rocky plot!
Wow! This was extremely helpful. I was completely at a loss at where to start an outline and how to come up with scenes for it. I figured I was a "discovery writer" since I wasn't good at making outlines or anything, but when I sat down to write I wouldn't know where to take things. Seriously, this video was a lifesaver.
Very interesting video Ellen! I like to plot my stories like this too, starting with the basis of the storyline before growing into something more detailed 😊 Right now I’m trying the snowflake method, I’m liking it so far 😊 I think it might help a lot with editing!
So your outline centers the majority of the novel around the baking competition, where as I would have thought the baking competition would have been the climax and the majority of the novel deals with her preparing and traveling to the competition. After all, she's a sailor or what not. Maybe the romantic interest is key in getting her to the competition, and her struggles are practicing her dish in environments that aren't conducive to baking. And maybe it's not her rival she loses to. Maybe it's a third party who wins who represents something the protagonist learned too late, but the protagonist still defeats her rival.
This is really thorough, thank you! Also, I really like how much you talk with your hands! As someone with ADD I find movement can help keep my brain more focused, and your hand gestures did just that. (can't resist the bad pun) I guess one could say this video was really handy. xD
@@ReiyukaE I will admit I was thinking exactly the same thing. Maybe it's something about the 'Woman Sailor Turned Baker" archetype that also screams "Lesbian". :)
Absolutely love these videos. Not only do they cover our biggest questions and most important points of interest, but are very straight to the point, pithy, concise and don't waste time in the beginning for chit chat the way everyone else seems to do.
Very interesting video. I actually finished my outline yesterday. I did many of the steps you outlined without even knowing it. I'm definitely going to check out your other videos. Thanks for sharing.
This was such a helpful and detailed video. Thank you for adding visuals. I really questioned the writing prompt but as you continued to explain, I became more intrigued. Great video👍
Thank you so much for this video! Every single plot I’ve come up with makes my main character seem like a bad person when that’s the opposite of what I want them to be seen as. She lives in a dystopia and people dislike her BECAUSE she’s a good person. Using this will make things more clear for me!
Wow! a million times wow! Ellen what you did in this video is just out of this world. You not only saved the day turning something flat into something amazingly great. I'm going nowhere else. Just subscribed and I'm going to go through each and every video in your channel! Regards from Brazil and your brand new fan! :)
Thanks for putting together such a great guide. Story structures have helped me so much when writing, but I've never come across such an efficient story building method. I'd forgotten just how much you can do by being methodical when writing, and I'll definitely be putting this into practice.
Such a high quality content... This is so practical, it makes one wonder why such a good content from someone who clearly has experience with this type of work isn't recommended, I only happened to find this video for pure coincidence. I have wasted so much time already, if only I had this information back then...
This was so good. It had my creative wheels just a turning in helping me think about how to elaborate and even make a better layout of my novel concept. With this instruction it feels like the novel will write itself (to a degree).
This was very helpful. I've watched four other videos on different RUclips channels, looking for this answer, and yours so far has the best advice I've found yet. Thank you.
Here's are some key story structure points I thought of (based on my understanding of Larry Brooks' Story Engineering): Inciting Incident: I wouldn't say her losing her job is the Inciting incident, but rather, learning about and/or deciding to enter the competition. First Plot Point: When she learns her arch rival is competing. (And symbolically, we can plant something to to relate to her flaw. That is, the arch rival is rather a mirror of her character flaw that she has to deal with.) Pinch Point 1: Honestly not sure. Midpoint: Something has to happen to take things an octave higher. Maybe, in that first event that she wins, she wins by default (or, due to a fault of her arch rival, and not due to her own merit). This will further instill in her her flaw, which is a sense of I-don't-have-to-work-hard-to-win. Pinch Point 2: Maybe, on a date, her flaw kicks in somehow. Maybe she brags about how easily she won. Second Plot Point: Not sure. Last scenes: she congratulates her arch rival, appologizes to her partner, and vows to win the following year. I didn't refer to Larry Brooks' site or book, so I'm these plot points may not be the best, but they're what came to mind.)
DK Fynn DK Fynn Pretty good, but the 2nd Plot Point. Is the low point of the story. It would be when she loses the competition to her rival, and doesn’t respond to her partner.
Yay! Thanks for the great video! Do you have any plans to do a video on how to figure out what your b-plot or subplot should be? I ask because in my current project, I feel like I have a pretty good sense of the main plot but am not at all sure what route to go with the b-plot. (I guess I should brainstorm that list of conflicts and questions and figure out which ones are most addressable via the b-plot.)
I've been stuck for years (both in life and with my writing, guess it goes hand in hand) and you made me remember the fun of it, what I really loved about writing stories. Thanks ❤️ Now, off to watch all your other videos!
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Me at the beginning of the video: "Well that's the dumbest writing prompt I've ever heard in my life"
Me by the end: "Where can I pre-order this novel? and when will it be made into a movie?"
OMG, I was thinking the same exact thing. I can't believe that Ellen Brock turned one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard of in my life into a novel I wouldn't mind reading.
Right there with you. Sounds like a Zoe Deschanel movie
Me too, i thought this would bore me to death.
I'm one minute into the vid and if I hadn't seen this comment I would have been gone. I mean, I was mentally prepared for the dumb writing prompt, but geesh, that was horrible
@@patnull Just goes to show that you can turn even the dumbest idea, into a really well plotted out novel.
this prompt thing should be a series :D
Baking Sailors from Reno, the next trope...
@@floydlooney6837 lol
This is brilliant, it showcases one of the most important things about outlining that I struggled with before I figured it out. Build your story on a message, don't wait for your story to produce a message - it won't happen.
Thinking is required in writing. Otherwise, you are going to have a pointless plot.
I ageee with this statement and disagree, as this is a year old I won’t bother saying why I disagree.
Technically discovery writers (otherwise called pantsers) tend to “find” the message of stories as they write them, and it works just fine for them. Of course, that draft is put through a dozen revisions to ensure that everything is consistent later on, but the point still stands. As long as you keep plot structure in mind while you write, you essentially get the same thing.
So that if you have to make a choice with where you wanna go with either the plot or a small detail, you know right away which choice you should make even if initially both options would be equally good
Pro tip - figure out the ending first with the message in it. Then everything you write up until then will work it's way to it.
Wow. When she began I was so disappointed in the example story idea. It was basic and boring. It was garbage. And when she started breaking it down it became plausible. Then somewhere around the 3/4 mark I had to keep rewinding to get the points she was making because the characters were talking and distracting me. It went from juvenile garbage to something that I’d like to read, or write, in less than 15 minutes. Ellen has some serious skills.
I still think the premise is lame but she showed all the development steps for any premise and that’s what counts.
I had the opposite reaction lol
You can’t leave us hanging!! This outline needs a sequel!
Bake Off 2: Armageddon starring Jason Statham
Right? Do they get back together? Does she come back strong and win next year? Does she team up with the antagonist and start a baking company that specializes in sailor-themed confections? We need to know!
@@Steelburgh actually, after she returns home that day, a spaceship hits the roof of that house, through an entangled mesh of stuff she realizes the arch rival is actually an alien from a far-off planet, and that's how she wins always against her. After she discusses the matter with James Bond... oops, no-the original story was better than this cliché!
@@Steelburgh I think the main idea is about her character development journey, but great questions.
So that’s how a Hallmark film is written!
Thank you for this video, it’s really helped me get my head around basic outlines.
Plot twist, the romantic partner and the arch rival are one and the same. She realizes this after she doesn’t win the final, but restarts the relationship anyways.
I feel like the love interest should have been a sailor as well, who wants the protagonist to come back, but supports her anyway. So, when she loses to her rival, she knows he'd try to get her to go back to being a sailor, and she might agree. As a result, she ignores all his calls and messages.
Anyway, this video was quite interesting. I didn't think asking and answering some questions would help that much. I think I want to try it now.
i reaaally like that idea
I like your idea about the love interest being a sailor as well. I feel like it gives more purpose to the sailor detail that otherwise still felt random.
I wasn’t sold on the premise at first, but then little by little, you made the idea more and more compelling. A simple, yet lovely story.
On a side note, I’m glad you’re using more visual aids in your videos. That’s always been something I found lacking in your earlier videos. For a visual medium like RUclips, showing what you’re saying can highlight the points you want to emphasize.
totally agree with everything said in this comment ^^
Story suggestion: it would be nice if the skills/experience gained from being a sailor ends up being a key to advancing her life. I think its good to remind people that the Universe is constantly doing things for our benefit, even if we don't recognize it right away
Could not agree more :)
@@howedelamitri Strongly disagree on your point. Rohingya refugees would probably struggle to figure out how being raped, massacred, and driven off their lands by Myanmar's military in the hundreds of thousands is *The Universe* acting to their benefit. Even if you were right, the artist's view of the world is a crucial element in their style, something you don't need to comment on during the creative stage unless you're collaborating.
Her construction of the plot is simple but fantastic. When you add all meaningful details, you would have a heart-warming story.
Wow! While I haven't gotten around to writing any baking novels yet, this is perhaps the most cogent summary of the outlining process ever. I guess I already knew a lot of this intuitively, but I've never seen it presented so clearly! Yet another reason why this is my favorite writing channel!!
It's really hard to link up the nonsense in those prompt generators, yet I can see a really charming, Great British Bake-Off -esk book series coming out of this.
Respect.
Tarquin Roswegan right? I was cringing with that plot generation, but i agree, it totally sounded charming in the end.
The classic "put a goal and character that don't make sense together" technique XD
Yet, at the end, I was thinking it was a pretty nice story. Might be because the topic of her being a sailor was smoothed over in the outline.
@@ledge-magee I've watched Brian Sanderson's lectures from BYU (Writing Fantasy and Science Fiction) and he promotes that same idea, the square peg in the round hole. Cast a character that should have been a sidekick type as the hero, or a love interest as the hero's Mentor, etc.
this looks like a plot of a Sandra Bullock's movie.
I've read your comment and was listening the video and couldn't stop picturing her as the sailor from Reno who joins a baker competition 😂
It sounded more like the dumb romance book Marge Simpson wrote.
I am speechless. I've never seen a video nor read an article that so thoroughly placed me within the mind of a story builder. I’m encouraged by your willingness to resolve some plot questions later, but to push forward with the questions you can answer now. Personally, I tend to get frustrated when I don't know everything at the beginning, and I am therefore blocked and stop writing. Thanks for the reminder about how exciting and resourceful the imagination can be.
So I already had my story plotted, but this inspired me to go back and see if there's anything I should add or take away. Thanks for the great reminder.
What about at the end. There's a judge who really liked her entry. And he helps her get a job as a chef. So she lost but now she has a career
Or what if she partners with her archrival to start a bakery.
I actually want to read that novel.
I'm sure it'll be a Lifetime movie of the week soon enough
I want to eat the food that is baked.
Seems to me more like a Hallmark movie than Lifetime.
My reaction: "Eh, this seems pretty boring. I don't see why anyone would--"
* She plans to sabotage her rival.
"Ooh, spicy!"
I’m guessing we all mentally wrote vastly different stories as she was breaking down this process. It would be interesting to see how each of us answered the plot questions she asked.
I've been trying to find information on how stories are constructed and what makes them compelling and after finding almost nothing but vague and often contradicting information this channel is a godsend holy shit
What did you do to become an editor? I’m curious what that process looks like.
Lol It reminds me of The greatest fantasy from The 50 shades of Grey: a fresh college student becoming an editor in her own Company! 😂😂😂😂
Your videos persuaded me that writing is so much more about logic and system than people think. I'm discovering some perks of writing myself now, but your advices already helped me three or four times, so thanks:)
Thankyou so much for this. After watching a few 'how to develop your story' videos I was getting sick of them all being fluff and no content. Yours is a super practical, pragmatic and hands-on explanation - it's helped me a lot.
Honestly, I wanted the rival to be the romantic partner by the end! Thanks for the super helpful video!
This is really good, thank you Ellen. I've had an idea for ages, which over time has evolved into a detailed setting with ideas for subplots, and some characters I'm happy with, but I've struggled to simplify it enough to tease out a compelling plot. I think this approach will really help.
Ellen Brock: "How does being a sailor affect her? Does she have to give up sailing for the baking competition?
Me: "How is she a sailor from Reno? That's in Nevada! Did she move away from Reno to be a sailor? Why? Was sailing her first dream, and now she wants to bake? What did she have to give up to sail? Can we have a parallel between that and what she has to give up to bake?"
She could be working in a river boat?
Because she lost her job to the rival, she went off an joined the Navy, or the merchant marine, or a king crab fishing boat off Alaska, as a cook. Now she's home, "A sailor home from the sea," and needs to find a second career. The rival was the reason she had to leave town. It's time for a token revenge by winning the contest.
Amazing content, thank you
@@oz_jones Do river boats use sails?
best explanation of plotting i've come across yet.
Most people just show a chart and break down the steps, and say "see? this is how you do it" with no information on turning these bullet points into actual plot. Good stuff.
by far the best structural advice video i’ve ever seen!! thank you!!
I’m dyslexic. I have tried, so many times to build a novel - yet this has been the best way of learning for me. Show and tell. It works so well for me. Thank you very much Ellen. I look forward to learning more from you.
This was very helpful to me because I'm at the plotting stage of my story and I didn't really know how to move on. I enjoyed how you broke down each event in the story and the idea of asking questions is helpful too!
The problem with plotting too fast is that you still haven’t finished your novel and yet you’ve already got plans laid out for another handful
i watched this with 40+ premise in my mind. after watching, those premises turned to outlines
my brain's outlining from one premise to another and i'm frustrated i can't write them down all at once
@@mariaallaine I find the best way to approach this is try to find the one that you BOTH feel most passionate about and have the most information on. That way you've got a good starting point but other plots you care about more aren't bugging you. Sometimes you can join premises up too
I really appreciate this video. I've been trying to get back into writing, and this was incredibly helpful and encouraging. Thanks, Ellen!
This is a fantastic exercise. I feel so empowered right now! Been stuck with a prompt for over a month. I am no longer stuck. You rock!
Ellen, your simplification of the outlining process is brilliant. My one ask is that you get a microphone for your channel because you deserve to be heard and it would be easier to hear you if you are not shouting at us. Love love love your channel! ❤ I just subscribed because I think you’re brilliant 🌺
You have red hair and blue eyes!! the rarest combo!
Honestly Ellen you are the first person I've ever seen explain this call and response method so clearly. Not sure if this is exactly that or just similar but I understand this method so well will have to try soon
Ellen Brock, I’m incredibly thankful for your videos.
Came from your ‘4 writer types’ video. I couldn’t be sure which type I’d place myself in until just now, halfway through this vid. I was watching you list out scenes in chronological order when I felt an unspeakable dread in my guts - the pantser in me was howling in anguish😂
Anyway, I love all your videos and find them super helpful! You have such an amazing, efficient way of getting things across. And I love that you’re never judgemental when you talk about the common writer mistakes, be it technical or otherwise. I hope your channel brings you as much inspiration as it does for us:)
You have gotten soooo good at being on camera and talking to your audience. It’s been fun watching you get better over the years.
Also I'd love to see more Outlining a Writing Prompt videos from you! You really know how to work out those summaries!
Another suggestion would be a video series about different genres, and how to focus on the relevant tropes ie. Crime/Mystery, Fantasy, Comedy/Romance, etc
This video was BRILLIANT. Comprehensive without being overwhelming and exactly what I needed. THANK YOU.
I personally want how you explain and how you create your videos more better and better in time.
The story is so good and lovely though. It makes me want to read the whole book!
This video was perfect! You know exactly what to say to get people motivated to write. This channel has made my writing and my novel so much stronger, I cannot thank you enough for all you do! 💙
I love you
You friendship me
You massge me
This is the most realistic and helpful explanation creating an outline that I've found yet! Thanks, Ellen!
This makes writing a book seem easy. That must mean you explained the process of plotting a novel really well!
You helped me jump from a 50 word outline to 7000 word plot thank You.
I will remember to send you a free copy once complete. Top-quality advice
Makes so much sense. These feel a lot like lessons for productivity in general: you actually know the basic steps of whatever you want to do. Get to what you font know through what you do, then Hit the ground running and dont slow yourself down unless absolutely necessary
This has to be the most helpful video I've ever seen about writing.
I'm so exited to use this method.
I started with vivid scenes - kind of slideshow style - and worked at coherent story structure outlines, character arcs, and world building.
Wow. My writer's brain is already constructing the dialogue. Thank you for this video, you just earned yourself a sub! 😍
This is the most competent and enjoyable writing advice I've found. Great job.
SO OBVIOUS but totally useful advice and so enthusiastically presented. This is 60,000 words already!!!
Wow! By far, I would have to say this is my biggest setback as a writer, so I usually end up with more ideas and less and less outlines or further developments of them, but your process worked unbelievably well! I am now proud to say that my outline is far more concise and secure than I even hoped it would be on my own. Thank you!!
I follow a lot of writing advice channels and, honestly, yours is the best. Thank you so much for all the help.👍
Thanks, Ellen. I'll use your ideas in my next project. My current project is at the query letter stage. I can hardly wait until Wednesday and Friday. Great work.
I've been itching to finally start writing, as I've never actually written a proper story in my life yet, and this really helps me get over that difficult slump of trying rationalise the plot. Thank you so much!
Update? Have you written at least one short story yet?
Ellen, I stand on my knees for you. Because of you I found strengh to keep writing and finishing my story.
I loved this video. Thank you so much for your insight. I am gonna binge your whole channel now.
Absolutely loved this insight to how you edit and guide a client to complete their plot summaries and question answering! Thanks Ellen!
i just found your channel. it's almost midnight. i think i may be up until nearly dawn at this rate...
Really good! And you definitely just wrote an outline for a Hallmark movie! lol
I was LITERALLY picturing this on Hallmark lol
Excellent! A simple story rich with possibilities! Great job with your outline!
Rival editor and co-author:
She and the rival went to high school together.
She and the rival were polar opposites (male V female mindset).
She wants to prove to the rival that a male mindset doesn’t mean non female.
She is determined to prove this by entering a baking competition that the school is holding.
She is allowed to enter despite studying engineering (as it was open to the community).
She is narrowly beaten to the winners post due to the rival’s superior knowledge in the kitchen.
She is teased by the rival (mildly); and, instructed to become a mechanic or join the army.
She decides to join the navy as a technician.
She and the rival maintain their ‘mutual’ interest in each other (via friends and family).
She has crewmates onboard that constantly want to see her female side.
She already knows that the rival opened a cake shop in town (doing quite well, apparently).
She then learns the rival wants to promote a production line of cakes using a competition.
She is ribbed into competing by the crew but not by the friends (lack of confidence).
She is hearted by the crew’s attempts to push her in the face of superior odds (their motto).
She writes a letter to the rival asking if she can enter this competition ($5,000 prize).
She is astonished to learn that rival will also compete (not announced previously).
She is certain the rival is determined to prevent her from winning, yet again (crew now rattled).
She is worried that the intervening years has made this rival’s skill legendary in the town.
She spends the next three weeks in the hectic mess kitchen (off duty) to learn more about baking.
She is visited by the crew but one there is overly concerned about her need to win (plot revealed).
She is aware winning would be an impossible ask (previous attempts only moderate success).
She and this special crewmate devise a recipe that can be worked on (his mother’s rum cake).
She and her sister have been corresponding (learns that money could be useful to the family).
She has her new ‘boyfriend’; bets on her from the crew; and, family and friends rooting for her.
She writes a letter to someone (a close friend from high school) spelling out her fears.
She is in this competition to prove she can compete in both worlds; but, fears how it’d affect her future as a woman and as a sailor (chef liked her style and found her handy in the kitchen - even promised to give her job if she wants to quite the engine room).
How will the author proceed is what I’ll be looking forward too! Will she get her man? Is that college roommate more than a friend? Will she win? Sadly, we know the answer to that already. Will we be happy about it? We can’t expect her to win with against this rival. What will we get out of this defeat? She has her sights locked on to her target. Can we stick around and watch the kill?
She vowed to return!
The sequel: Operation Sea Biscuit! It's like a Rocky plot!
Wow! This was extremely helpful. I was completely at a loss at where to start an outline and how to come up with scenes for it. I figured I was a "discovery writer" since I wasn't good at making outlines or anything, but when I sat down to write I wouldn't know where to take things. Seriously, this video was a lifesaver.
This is gold, "thank you."
I have been toying around with an idea for a while now, and you just helped me turn my idea into the best plot I've ever written. So thank you.
Very interesting video Ellen! I like to plot my stories like this too, starting with the basis of the storyline before growing into something more detailed 😊
Right now I’m trying the snowflake method, I’m liking it so far 😊 I think it might help a lot with editing!
I've never seen a walkthrough of going from idea to actual plotting of scenes. This is wonderful. Thank you!
Thanks for this video. I was just about to start plotting the whole story to make my writing easier and this is going to help out a lot.
Thanks! This is just what I needed! Now I can finally finish the first stage of writing a story. XD
I think Charles Bukowski once said that a genius makes difficult things seem easy. You've done exactly that with this video. Subbed!
So your outline centers the majority of the novel around the baking competition, where as I would have thought the baking competition would have been the climax and the majority of the novel deals with her preparing and traveling to the competition. After all, she's a sailor or what not.
Maybe the romantic interest is key in getting her to the competition, and her struggles are practicing her dish in environments that aren't conducive to baking.
And maybe it's not her rival she loses to. Maybe it's a third party who wins who represents something the protagonist learned too late, but the protagonist still defeats her rival.
I just want to say that having seen this video, this gives a clear example of how outlines work. Great job!
The timing to this couldn't be more perfect! I was about to try and plot my novel outline today.
This is your most helpful video yet!
This is really thorough, thank you! Also, I really like how much you talk with your hands!
As someone with ADD I find movement can help keep my brain more focused, and your hand gestures did just that. (can't resist the bad pun) I guess one could say this video was really handy. xD
Great tutorial. This makes the process so much easier. Big kudos and thanks!
My first thought when I heard arch rival was ‘make it gay. Make it super gay’
Why do I relate to this? X,DDD
Name him DUMBASS like I did in all those Pokémon games.
That was my thought too! Make it a nemesis-to-lover arc, let them be lesbian baking ex-sailors or something, I dunno.
@@ReiyukaE I will admit I was thinking exactly the same thing. Maybe it's something about the 'Woman Sailor Turned Baker" archetype that also screams "Lesbian". :)
Uh huh, sounds like a good idea for a yuri manga, lol.
Absolutely love these videos. Not only do they cover our biggest questions and most important points of interest, but are very straight to the point, pithy, concise and don't waste time in the beginning for chit chat the way everyone else seems to do.
That was amazing how you turned that 3 sentence idea into a STORY bravo!
Excellent breakdown of the process. Thanks Ellen!
Very interesting video. I actually finished my outline yesterday. I did many of the steps you outlined without even knowing it. I'm definitely going to check out your other videos. Thanks for sharing.
great video, as usual! really helpful. not gonna lie, i got really invested in this story as the video went on haha :D keep up the good work!
Okay but like you actually make it make sense. Like this makes sense. Actually sense. Plus this gives me motivation to write again 🍎
This was such a helpful and detailed video. Thank you for adding visuals. I really questioned the writing prompt but as you continued to explain, I became more intrigued. Great video👍
Thank you so much for this video! Every single plot I’ve come up with makes my main character seem like a bad person when that’s the opposite of what I want them to be seen as. She lives in a dystopia and people dislike her BECAUSE she’s a good person. Using this will make things more clear for me!
Thank you for this. Not knowing how to get from the initial idea to a full plot has always been one of my biggest inhibitors.
Wow! a million times wow! Ellen what you did in this video is just out of this world. You not only saved the day turning something flat into something amazingly great. I'm going nowhere else. Just subscribed and I'm going to go through each and every video in your channel! Regards from Brazil and your brand new fan! :)
Amazing as always, you deserve a prize for such good content
Damn! I would love to see her writing a whole book.
She's amazing! 😯
Thanks for putting together such a great guide. Story structures have helped me so much when writing, but I've never come across such an efficient story building method. I'd forgotten just how much you can do by being methodical when writing, and I'll definitely be putting this into practice.
You are a lifesaver! I really needed this video XD
Thank you that was so useful !!!!!! 💛💛💛💛💛💛
Such a high quality content... This is so practical, it makes one wonder why such a good content from someone who clearly has experience with this type of work isn't recommended, I only happened to find this video for pure coincidence. I have wasted so much time already, if only I had this information back then...
I can already tell this is going to help me a lot. Funny thing is before I started this video I was already writing down questions to ask myself.
This was so good. It had my creative wheels just a turning in helping me think about how to elaborate and even make a better layout of my novel concept. With this instruction it feels like the novel will write itself (to a degree).
This was very helpful. I've watched four other videos on different RUclips channels, looking for this answer, and yours so far has the best advice I've found yet.
Thank you.
Here's are some key story structure points I thought of (based on my understanding of Larry Brooks' Story Engineering):
Inciting Incident: I wouldn't say her losing her job is the Inciting incident, but rather, learning about and/or deciding to enter the competition.
First Plot Point: When she learns her arch rival is competing. (And symbolically, we can plant something to to relate to her flaw. That is, the arch rival is rather a mirror of her character flaw that she has to deal with.)
Pinch Point 1: Honestly not sure.
Midpoint: Something has to happen to take things an octave higher. Maybe, in that first event that she wins, she wins by default (or, due to a fault of her arch rival, and not due to her own merit). This will further instill in her her flaw, which is a sense of I-don't-have-to-work-hard-to-win.
Pinch Point 2: Maybe, on a date, her flaw kicks in somehow. Maybe she brags about how easily she won.
Second Plot Point: Not sure.
Last scenes: she congratulates her arch rival, appologizes to her partner, and vows to win the following year.
I didn't refer to Larry Brooks' site or book, so I'm these plot points may not be the best, but they're what came to mind.)
DK Fynn DK Fynn Pretty good, but the 2nd Plot Point. Is the low point of the story. It would be when she loses the competition to her rival, and doesn’t respond to her partner.
Yay! Thanks for the great video! Do you have any plans to do a video on how to figure out what your b-plot or subplot should be? I ask because in my current project, I feel like I have a pretty good sense of the main plot but am not at all sure what route to go with the b-plot. (I guess I should brainstorm that list of conflicts and questions and figure out which ones are most addressable via the b-plot.)
Haven’t even finished this video but I can already see how bloody clever it is. Your vids are awesome Ellen thank you 🙏🏻
I wish I could give this video ten likes. This was so helpful. Thank you!
This is one of the most helpful plotting videos I’ve come across!
Fantastic outline. Unless you're writing Momento.
I've been stuck for years (both in life and with my writing, guess it goes hand in hand) and you made me remember the fun of it, what I really loved about writing stories. Thanks ❤️
Now, off to watch all your other videos!