Brandon's Philosophy on Plot-Promises, Progress, and Payoffs

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  • Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2024
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  • @macseigel7295
    @macseigel7295 3 года назад +901

    “I think most authors care way too much about opening lines.”
    Easy for you to say Mr. “Szeth Son-Son-Vallano wore white on the day he was to kill a king.”
    Mr. “Ash fell from the sky.”

    • @Hmm_Ace_Attorney_Channel
      @Hmm_Ace_Attorney_Channel 2 года назад +123

      I think the thing to keep in mind is that a good first line is still important, but it's not the be-all and end-all. People really overthink it with the mindset of "I need a perfect first line or nobody's gonna read my book!"
      If your opening line is the most interesting part of your first chapter, that's not a good thing.

    • @alexandreprodan5014
      @alexandreprodan5014 Год назад +29

      @@Hmm_Ace_Attorney_Channel aaand there;s also revisions which can easily fix that

    • @Hmm_Ace_Attorney_Channel
      @Hmm_Ace_Attorney_Channel Год назад +20

      @@alexandreprodan5014 You'll revise the wrong way if you think the first line is the most important part of your hook.

    • @alexandreprodan5014
      @alexandreprodan5014 Год назад +11

      @@Hmm_Ace_Attorney_Channel the whole point of my comment was to imply it isn't so...yeah.

    • @inkwyvern5171
      @inkwyvern5171 Год назад +18

      Those aren't particularly good opening lines though so his opinion checks out

  • @milospollonia1121
    @milospollonia1121 3 года назад +1076

    I love how Brandon's short stuff is 40 minutes long

    • @nicanornunez9787
      @nicanornunez9787 3 года назад +24

      THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID

    • @chelseasigler4668
      @chelseasigler4668 3 года назад +29

      Yeah, have you read any of his ‘novellas’? 😂

    • @DragonsDungeon
      @DragonsDungeon 3 года назад +26

      When Brandon wrote a short story in his 2020 class, with someone saying how long each line should be, he still went about 3x over the word cap

    • @AscendantStoic
      @AscendantStoic 3 года назад +5

      Wouldn't have it any other way.

    • @swordablaze9259
      @swordablaze9259 3 года назад +23

      @@chelseasigler4668 😂
      Brandon: I wrote a novella!
      Someone: Oh cool, how long is it?
      Brandon: Only 50k words!
      Someone: ....that's a novel, Brandon.

  • @TheGunrebel
    @TheGunrebel 3 года назад +617

    These videos literally cured my writer's block.

    • @Yelnatsinthepit
      @Yelnatsinthepit 3 года назад +7

      Yup

    • @macintalkshow
      @macintalkshow 3 года назад +6

      Honestly same.

    • @senseofwonder4062
      @senseofwonder4062 3 года назад +2

      I don't want to read anything from an author that doesn't correctly use the word 'literally', though... Writer's block is not an illness, just a sign of ineptitude regarding one's own tasks.

    • @matiasfinley5413
      @matiasfinley5413 3 года назад +10

      Same. Whenever I get in a rut I just watch one of these or his livestreams and then I'm all fired up and excited to keep writing

    • @davilaelian
      @davilaelian 3 года назад +32

      @@senseofwonder4062 no one cares

  • @mrmcawesome9746
    @mrmcawesome9746 3 года назад +200

    All authors adore alliteration, and Brandon Sanderson ain't an anomaly after all.

  • @appledough3843
    @appledough3843 3 года назад +350

    5:22
    (Opener)
    Openers must have an indication of what kind of story it is. The opening should have some sort of conflict, motion and promise of change and the future.
    9:54
    (Promises)
    You give the audience a promise of what’s gonna happen in the story. This gives them an idea of the type of story it’ll be and what they can look forward to. If you give a promise and the progress of the story is in the direction of a different promise, the audience will view it as a side quest and can be very turned off by it.
    14:06
    (Progress)
    Give a sense of progress. It’s an illusion. You control the speed of the progress. Your job is to make the progress compelling. Conflict makes it compelling. Make the character get closer and closer to their goal (promise from the beginning) but they struggle to achieve it.
    15:46
    (Bracket)
    Your story will be made up of multiple brackets. Each bracket represents a promise, progress towards that promise, and payoff of that promise. You story will have many plot points (brackets) that will weave together to make the story. All must be relevant and feed into the main plot.
    25:54
    (Payoffs)
    Plotting Backwards. Make sure payoffs are earned. During the last chunk of the story where all the climaxes and payoffs are done, make the payoff as epic and cool as you want AS LONG AS they are earned throughout the story. This is done by plotting backwards. You think of cool and epic climaxes and events in your story and list things that need to happen for the payoff to make sense.
    35:21
    More Progress
    Good progress keeps you turning the page.

    • @captainlcm
      @captainlcm 2 года назад +15

      You are a hero of all the worlds that are to be created

    • @Author_SoftwareDesigner
      @Author_SoftwareDesigner 2 года назад +10

      You are a legend, a myth, if you will. The gratitude that I once possessed, is now yours.

    • @appledough3843
      @appledough3843 2 года назад +6

      @@Author_SoftwareDesigner
      Damn thanks for commenting I come back and see i got 115 likes lol

    • @rubynibs
      @rubynibs 2 года назад +2

      @@appledough3843 141 and counting! MANY THANKS for your original post!

    • @appledough3843
      @appledough3843 2 года назад +2

      @@rubynibs
      Sheeeesh thx my dude!

  • @luanals5199
    @luanals5199 3 года назад +292

    I'm honestly so grateful that he puts these amazing quality writing videos up for FREE

  • @nerdyBullfinch
    @nerdyBullfinch Год назад +132

    It's mind-blowing for me. On the other side of the world, in Ukraine, with only mobile internet, I'm watching free lection from famous writer and learning how to write my first novel. I still can't believe that this is possible.
    Thank you, Mr. Sanderson, for putting your lections online and free.

    • @TheMastermind729
      @TheMastermind729 8 месяцев назад +7

      Hope you’re still alive…

    • @eddypasta8234
      @eddypasta8234 5 месяцев назад +8

      @@TheMastermind729 I've been so desensitized to the world recently I found that humourous, what dark times we find ourselves in :(

    • @meowing1275
      @meowing1275 5 месяцев назад +4

      Hope you're good man 👍👍

    • @magnus_cockstrong
      @magnus_cockstrong 2 месяца назад +1

      Slava Ukraini

  • @Crimson28
    @Crimson28 3 года назад +214

    I wish D & D saw this video when they were writing season 7 and 8 of Game of Thrones

    • @jakehopkins6989
      @jakehopkins6989 3 года назад +5

      How original...

    • @eyesmoving
      @eyesmoving 3 года назад +6

      Exactly my thoughts!

    • @randomer5555
      @randomer5555 3 года назад +3

      What a clever, original RUclips comment

    • @rjofusetsudzin8011
      @rjofusetsudzin8011 3 года назад +21

      @@jakehopkins6989 Maybe unoriginal it fits.

    • @rjofusetsudzin8011
      @rjofusetsudzin8011 3 года назад +25

      Agreed main problem is that season 7 and 8 went against every promeise on tone and even genre during first four season (because I believe that show went downhill after that) First four seasons were like Godfather, dark gritty when you knew that anybody can die at any moment. Good naive guys get rekt, most ruthles evil guys are winning. It was realistic. Last two seasons were like freaking MCU, were good guys were constantly winning and getting whatever they wanted, while ruthless evil guys were suddenly naive as hell and stupid (Littlefinger) Also realism was shaft down the toilet so we get scene when one handed cripple somehow beats equivalent of Viking. Disgusting.

  • @doublethick5752
    @doublethick5752 2 года назад +87

    "dont write a story where only a second passages in 50 pages"
    five episodes of HxH characters climbing stairs over the course of ten seconds intensifies

    • @alexmir1763
      @alexmir1763 5 месяцев назад +18

      And it's perfect.
      All writing advice saying "don't do X" should include an asterisk saying: "unless you can actually pull it off"...

    • @lloydnoid6506
      @lloydnoid6506 5 месяцев назад +9

      ​​@@alexmir1763 I like HxH but you gotta admit the Chimera Ant arc didn't have great pacing
      That said, I agree with the sentiment overall

    • @alexmir1763
      @alexmir1763 5 месяцев назад

      @@lloydnoid6506 I agree. But I only referred to the stair-climbing part, not to the chimera arc as a whole.

    • @danascully1248
      @danascully1248 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@alexmir1763 nah it was so weird and boring. I quit watching after that

    • @alexmir1763
      @alexmir1763 4 месяца назад +1

      @@danascully1248 There's a pretty wide consensus that the chimera ant arc was one of the best stories in anime, ever. It's okay not to like it, of course, but you need to be honest with yourself as to your general taste. And in case you are relatively young, I'd recommend waiting a few years. I'm not trying to make fun of you, my taste in stories changed over time too.

  • @justfriendly7676
    @justfriendly7676 3 года назад +307

    Its strangely reassuring to hear what Brandon does and realize your doing some of the same things already.

    • @saras7563
      @saras7563 3 года назад +3

      Very true,

    • @kenthefele113
      @kenthefele113 3 года назад +19

      It means you’re on the right path, but every writer has a process that works for them. You just have to find yours.

    • @tidyheidi9143
      @tidyheidi9143 3 года назад +15

      Exactly, when he first started talking about the promise of the plot early on in the book I thought, “Fuck! I don’t start my story with a mini version of the main conflict!” but then as he continued I thought “Wait a minute, I DID. I just didn’t know it.”

  • @jchinckley
    @jchinckley 3 года назад +57

    "it's spelled right now, you can't tell me it's not--it's in my own language..."
    lol

  • @cantbetamed2210
    @cantbetamed2210 3 года назад +89

    I disposed of my unfinished 4th draft, went on a breakdown and an existential crisis but returned researching writing systems, linguistic quirks, sewage and irrigation, architecture, weapons, and how to make a freaking calendar while reading books on the side. My friends think I'm losing it... Maybe I am.
    So I'm here, ready to start anew.

    • @rubyxcube3081
      @rubyxcube3081 3 года назад +10

      I know it's been 3 months, but i hope it all went well!

    • @carolinelabbott2451
      @carolinelabbott2451 2 года назад +4

      How is the writing going? Good I hope.

    • @AndrewThoesen
      @AndrewThoesen 2 года назад +4

      Not all who wander are lost

    • @vivianeb90
      @vivianeb90 Год назад +1

      Sometimes, that's just part of the process. Even if it doesn't seem to end up with the result you expected.

    • @gmaxx5478
      @gmaxx5478 9 месяцев назад

      I don’t know what you’re doing right now, but I hope it’s working out

  • @notgate2624
    @notgate2624 3 года назад +114

    As an engineer, learning how to architect stories and language using formulas and theory is weirdly empowering.
    Authors all create their own personal formulas for repeated success while not being obvious enough to the reader to be boring, and seeing this larger hierarchy to story creation makes me want to try it myself.
    Thanks for posting these!

    • @jankyyard5610
      @jankyyard5610 Год назад

      Problem-solving the stories instead of feeling the feelings helps a lot to people who value thinking more than feelings.

  • @abcdef27669
    @abcdef27669 3 года назад +224

    "Today we will talk about Plot".
    (Unholy Stephen King noises in the background)

  • @or9422
    @or9422 3 года назад +135

    I've already watched a very similar lecture of his...but that won't stop me.

    • @billyalarie929
      @billyalarie929 3 года назад +29

      I watched like four versions of this exact lecture by Brandon.
      I’m here every time.

    • @SalemYbor
      @SalemYbor 3 года назад +4

      ​@@billyalarie929 Year 2012 at first in my case, I think.

    • @jollyroger6660
      @jollyroger6660 3 года назад +8

      I mean... I've seen three different semesters worth of Jordan Peterson's Maps of Meaning class lol. You might learn something new this time around, who knows 🤷🏼‍♂️

    • @or9422
      @or9422 3 года назад +3

      @@jollyroger6660 Pretty much my thought process honestly

    • @cevcena6692
      @cevcena6692 3 года назад

      @@jollyroger6660 Where did you find those?

  • @kierharris976
    @kierharris976 3 года назад +73

    All I could think about this whole time was tapping Brandon's shirt for one mana.

  • @Maerahn
    @Maerahn 3 года назад +65

    Brandon is very adorable when he gets all excited about plot - even when the plot's not his own. 😁

  • @jabzilla21
    @jabzilla21 2 года назад +19

    I wish the writers for The Book of Boba Fett had taken less than 40 minutes of their lives to watch this video...Thanks for being awesome Brandon Sanderson!

    • @QualityPen
      @QualityPen Год назад +8

      I will never understand how some “professional” writers have no inkling of the fundamentals of writing. I guess it’s concrete proof that Hollywood rewards personal networking and loyalty over competence.

  • @samwallaceart288
    @samwallaceart288 Год назад +42

    Fun fact: a barrel-maker is called a *cooper.* Cooper is a classic English profession-surname like Smith or Carpenter.

  • @masonwheeler6536
    @masonwheeler6536 3 года назад +37

    One of the best "they get to the place and the place isn't there anymore" scenes I've seen comes from the Dragonlance books. This is a world that has been ravaged by a Cataclysm that could well have served as Robert Jordan's inspiration for "the Breaking of the World." A party of adventurers needs to get to a place far away, so they venture across a great distance to a city that sits at the edge of the sea, renowned for its masterful shipbuilders...
    and when they get there, they find the broken down ships sitting in the middle of a bunch of dry land, because the Cataclysm rearranged the face of the world and the sea isn't there anymore!

  • @SusanGHaws
    @SusanGHaws 3 года назад +71

    This is golden content in an accessible presentation method. Thank you.

  • @brandonhernandez793
    @brandonhernandez793 3 года назад +89

    "Brandons philosophy on plot."
    I'd say I'm interested ... go on.

  • @canaldohector
    @canaldohector 3 года назад +53

    31:17 I believe this is data being badly understood. I've seen multiple writing advices saying that putting foreshadowing and implicit meaning is a good thing. There were times I was afraid of going through a mystery story for a second time, since I already knew the solution, but it was actually very entertaining seeing all the hints, and it gives a whole new perspective on the work. I see this as an example of why you should go through stories more than once.

  • @oddvoid
    @oddvoid 3 года назад +27

    Coopers, are carpenters who's skills are making barrels and other vessels that hold things. If anyone wanted to know.

    • @irrevenant8724
      @irrevenant8724 3 года назад +1

      Just wondering, are you using Swiftkey as your keyboard? I use Swiftkey and it's forever adding unnecessary commas to my posts, too.

  • @Legendary_Detective-Wobbuffet
    @Legendary_Detective-Wobbuffet 3 года назад +27

    "4k scribbles on a white board" would be a good rap lyric.

    • @samus598
      @samus598 3 года назад +1

      4k scribbles on a whiteboard
      Brandon is the handwriting dark lord

    • @toyagirl1
      @toyagirl1 2 года назад +1

      @@samus598 what he writes down strikes our hearts chord
      His massive talent can’t be ignored

  • @Mikeztarp
    @Mikeztarp 3 года назад +39

    30:17 Brandon: "He's a barrelwright."
    Me, loving Tolkien's writing too much: "He's a barrow wight!?" * gasp *

  • @Ruylopez778
    @Ruylopez778 3 года назад +5

    For anyone interested, Michael Arndt breaks down the 3 sets of stakes in 'A New Hope' (internal, external and philosophical) and how they are reversed at the climax of the movie.
    It's a 90 minute video called 'insanely great endings'

  • @Rhadagar
    @Rhadagar 3 года назад +24

    As primarily a for entertainment reader, it is always interesting finding out why it is that certain things work for me and why others do not in a more formal way.

  • @mathnerd97
    @mathnerd97 3 года назад +20

    When you described an intense prologue followed by developing a kid on a farm, I immediately thought of Star Wars. I never thought of this before, but the opening scene of A New Hope has a lot in common with a prologue.

  • @jerubaal101
    @jerubaal101 3 года назад +8

    Steinbeck starts off many of his chapters with a description of a scene, almost a tableau.

  • @atimholt
    @atimholt 3 года назад +6

    I read Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets when the series was starting to get popular. I didn't think much of it the first time through-though now I appreciate it for its world building in its context with the rest of the series. I've since realized that I liked it less because its twist at the end *is that its plot is actually relevant to the rest of the series.* Dobby even tells us that Voldemort isn't the villain this time.

  • @mononoke721
    @mononoke721 2 года назад +4

    Love how he breaks down the original Star Wars' plot beat by beat - it's a very telling analysis! It really just boils down to 'little ship vs big ship' at its core (with the other plot beats cresting upon it) which represents the entire struggle between the plucky Rebellion and oppressive Empire so well.

  • @Black_pearl_adrift
    @Black_pearl_adrift 3 года назад +4

    The interesting thing I realized about progress was that I loved Ned Stark's story in Game of Thrones because of how well it progresses. I knew the ending but watching it unfold was super rewarding

  • @justinmeyer2382
    @justinmeyer2382 3 года назад +18

    Hey Brandon, thanks for everything. You writing and lectures have reinvigorated my love of creative fiction - I am positive I wouldn't be where I'm at today without you.

  • @jakeausten9673
    @jakeausten9673 2 года назад +13

    Most famous prologue in fantasy:
    Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
    Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
    Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
    One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
    In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
    One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
    One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
    In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
    There is of course, Concerning Hobbits, Pipeweed, and of the finding of the ring. But I’d say that little poem at the beginning of Fellowship of the Ring is the most famous in the history of all fantasy, maybe even of all books.

  • @zacharyhockett6248
    @zacharyhockett6248 3 года назад +11

    The way he described A New Hope is kind of mind blowing.

  • @velleity7385
    @velleity7385 3 года назад +5

    I'm fairly certain the Malcolm Gladwell book he referenced was "The Tipping Point."
    I definitely recommend it to anyone interested in learning about epidemics in Gladwell fashion. "Outliers" was an excellent read as well.

  • @Hxarh
    @Hxarh 3 года назад +7

    I know the lecture hasn't changed that much, but we'll still watch them if you upload the whole thing.

  • @alpers.6068
    @alpers.6068 3 года назад +5

    You are such an interesting and wholesome person, thank you for being so kind to post these videos for free.

  • @GrsArt42
    @GrsArt42 Год назад

    “It’s in my own language!”
    Touché, Brandon. Touché.

  • @tedarcher9120
    @tedarcher9120 3 года назад +16

    The secret is to make the reader guess the result, but not completely in the way they guessed

    • @CATDHD
      @CATDHD 3 года назад +2

      I like that

    • @AscendantStoic
      @AscendantStoic 3 года назад +1

      Bingo 👍

    • @samwallaceart288
      @samwallaceart288 Год назад

      Rian Johnson: (uses secret twin reveals, death fakeouts, and retcon flashbacks to hide the fact that the rich guy whom everyone already hates did it)

  • @Bosonfriendly
    @Bosonfriendly 2 года назад +10

    This is the biggest revelation for me. Applied to my failed book and I see already, that I made wrong promise, thus my progress felt like not important, and then I pushed the payoff to the book two! One Brandon's video showed me what is wrong, when professional editors and my collegues who are writers already did not, while giving me their opinions on my writing. These clasess and mr. Sanderson are worth all the money in the world. If/when I get my first book published, Brandon Sanderson will be credited as most influential and useful teacher I had so far.

  • @desertgecko4549
    @desertgecko4549 3 года назад +3

    You knocked one out of the park here, Brandon -- superb lecture!
    I would never have considered that readers want to know what's going to happen, but now that I think about it, I feel satisfied knowing what's coming and I sit back to enjoy the ride. Also, and although I'm far removed from my preschool years, I can understand the feeling of "I knew it!" we get from knowing what's going to happen, even if we'd been spoon-fed the info.
    Related, and perhaps a caveat: This doesn't really apply to a mysteries, does it? Mysteries require too much work for me. I prefer to relax with a good book, not ponder it and try to figure it out. People who enjoy mysteries might be overachievers.

  • @mr.crinkles9943
    @mr.crinkles9943 3 года назад +9

    I should be sleeping rn... but it's Brandon's Philosophy

  • @almostvods
    @almostvods Год назад +12

    THIS IS IT THIS IS WHAT I NEEDED i have been watching your lectures for weeks trying to figure out my book why its not working why the promise is failing why i cant nail down the tone the plot any of it and somehow something in this video clicked and i know. I can fix it. My first published novel is going to be dedicated to you at this point.

  • @RJ_Ehlert
    @RJ_Ehlert 3 года назад +31

    Do spoilers make someone enjoy a story more? I think this question is linked into Sanderson's concept of promise and payoff. A spoiler in no uncertain terms gives you a promise of what the story will be like, because you know what happens.
    I think the most common reason people dislike movies is because they came to them with a bad promise. When something meets your expectations, you are happy. When it gives you something you like, that you never knew you wanted, it's a brilliant piece of fiction. Even something good can be disappointing if you came to it with the wrong promise.
    While it may seem pessimistic, I approach movies with low expectations. I am usually pleasantly surprised.

    • @jankyyard5610
      @jankyyard5610 Год назад

      Yes. A youtuber named Just Write showed a portion of a study in his video about spoilers make someone enjoy a story more.

  • @danieljaygrossett-author
    @danieljaygrossett-author 3 года назад +2

    This guy is soo helpful to all wannabe writers. Huge help, thank u

  • @bryanellertson8324
    @bryanellertson8324 3 года назад +2

    I love Brandon, I love his books. I probably will never write a book, but I feel like these make me a better reader. Also, I never caught that idea from the intro to Raiders that the trap was from the pressure plate and not the light. Mind Blown!

  • @rizzington1
    @rizzington1 2 года назад

    Every screenwriter in Hollywood/Netflix/Paramount/Amazon over the last 10 years needs to watch this.

  • @timpeterson175
    @timpeterson175 3 года назад +2

    Still haven’t read one of Mr Sanderson’s books, enjoying hearing him talk about them more than enough for now

  • @Sibbe94
    @Sibbe94 3 года назад +52

    "short segment"
    38 minutes... :D

  • @shines9290
    @shines9290 3 года назад +11

    Thank you so much for posting longer clips from the class. I am disappointed we don't get to watch the full classes this year. No matter what, there are always cool stories, jokes, etc. that happen during each class, and you are a wealth of info and inspiration. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom with us.

  • @buckle9733
    @buckle9733 3 года назад +1

    These videos are such a help. I've never been able to plot a story ahead of time without getting bored. Without a outline though I get lost and stuck in a story due to struggling with the fluff of a story

  • @thepatientgamer98
    @thepatientgamer98 3 года назад +2

    Man, I cannot get enough of these videos. Thank you Brandon!

  • @djhokasha7410
    @djhokasha7410 3 года назад +2

    Man, Sanderson. You're a true help! I'm halfway through my book cause of you!

  • @Noplayster13
    @Noplayster13 9 месяцев назад +3

    The dig at Last Jedi made me love Sanderson even more.

  • @matiasfinley5413
    @matiasfinley5413 3 года назад +3

    This man is very good at writing

  • @DadBodSwagGod
    @DadBodSwagGod 3 года назад +22

    There’s a very distinct cognitive dissonance that happens to me whenever you talk about yourself in the third person

  • @lexietalionis
    @lexietalionis Год назад

    The enthusiasm here is so inspirational 😭

  • @gregoryhenry8464
    @gregoryhenry8464 5 месяцев назад

    Is anyone else watching this and also thinking about stories they like and how brilliantly those stories pull what he’s talking about off?

  • @AiRaiKazinski
    @AiRaiKazinski 5 месяцев назад

    I love the idea of plotting stories this way. I got story I made my self... I was aiming on guaranteeing a promise to the protagonist's life and just having issues wd creating small conflicting stories in the middle that will later on lead to the development of my hero into a better, profound unique individual. I'm thinking of something very surprising and a complete struggle for the audience to realize at the end yet it happened and surprisingly good,❤❤❤ I just never knew that guaranteeing promises would be discussed in a systematized lesson like this. Very good help. Had new better ideas and more things to come❤❤❤ tnx master💪👍

  • @fuurinkazan164
    @fuurinkazan164 3 года назад +1

    I can't believe the amount of content you are capable of producing. You're a legend. Thank you so much for your insight!

    • @samwallaceart288
      @samwallaceart288 Год назад

      When you're doing what you already love to do, there's no such thing as too much work

  • @1348polar
    @1348polar 3 года назад +6

    Hi Brandon! I've been listening to your Nerd Of the Rings posts. I'm on the part when Gandalf returns to the Shire to discuss the Ring with Frodo who has been safeguarding it since Bilbo left. The discussion arose about whether or not the Ring was affecting Frodo since he took possession. I believe you said he Ring wasn't affecting him at that point.
    I disagree. I disagree because Frodo refers to the Ring as belonging to HIM and Bilbo. Normally when something old and precious is passed along in a family the descendants usually credit complete ownership to an elder. For example "I proposed with my grandmother's wedding ring." "I keep my great grandmother's china in the cabinet." "My father passed away. I wear his watch to remember him." "I was married in my mother's wedding dress. My future daughter will be married in my mother's dress too." These objects can be handed down through generations with ownership being credited to someone who died decades ago. So Frodo claiming even partial ownership is odd and perhaps a clue that the Ring was reaching out to him from its hiding place.

  • @akatie888
    @akatie888 2 года назад

    I watch these videos for motivation, it is so gratifying when I watch these and I find that I've already done half the things he talks about and then it motivates me further
    Example: 9:40 , I've done this without trying and I'm so happy

  • @P.T.S.E.
    @P.T.S.E. 3 года назад +6

    I would argue that instead of people finding more enjoyment in knowing what is going to happen next, they enjoy the journey more if they know that there is a goal which they are moving towards.
    Certainly, the feeling of being right when guessing how the story would unfold is strong, but if it's too easy and obvious, it would make it feel boring rather than exciting or interesting.

    • @karenamyx2205
      @karenamyx2205 3 года назад +2

      My favorite compromise is to write something that suprises most people, but something they realize COULD have been deduced through clues and foreshadowing. You'll have some that guessed it, but they'll feel rewarded, and some that realize so close to the reveal that's it's still exhilarating. But most will enjoy the surprise, but also enjoy the "oh! Of course".
      I agree you don't wanna make it too obvious, but what's FAR worse, is a reveal they NEVER could have pieced together... no matter how good the answer, they'll feel cheated for any time they spent trying.

    • @karenamyx2205
      @karenamyx2205 3 года назад +1

      I slightly misunderstood your comment.. I was speaking in reference to something shown in part but purposefully obscured in full. Ya know, anything that makes them start theorizing the answer.
      For example: a masked character that is presented in a way that they are someone we know under the mask.

    • @Maarten8867
      @Maarten8867 6 месяцев назад

      I feel this is all wrong. If I can predict how the movie is going to go, I stop watching. It's precisely the subverting of my expectations in a satisfying way that keeps me hooked.

  • @pathtoeternity
    @pathtoeternity 3 года назад +9

    Haha, yes, the "very short" prologue to the Wheel of Time 🤣🤣

    • @Eval999
      @Eval999 3 года назад +2

      WoT Book 1 has a super short prologue. The Ravens one that is long was added later.

  • @janaeporter3513
    @janaeporter3513 3 месяца назад

    i love it when a writing lecture makes me realize why i liked the first planet of the apes but not the other ones XD

  • @omegaminoseer4539
    @omegaminoseer4539 9 месяцев назад

    I enjoy hearing that the idea of Progress can be simplified into a nested list. Whenever there is a situation where the hero opens a problem, there must be some way for them to close it. Character
    That encourages me as a creative to make sure that the progress is properly sign-posted, like he said. If I ignore even a single element, the story is half-baked, since the characters would have earned an unnecessary component in their journey. Even worse, there is a massive gap in progress, since each roadblock should be overcome before the drive is finished!

  • @kazikek2674
    @kazikek2674 3 года назад +10

    It might've been Tolkien, Steven King, a couple mangakas, Aurora, Odyssey and Eclipse engine games, Silent Hill games and Yoko Taro games that had me wanting to and inspired me to write, but it was two or three RUclipsrs and Brandon Sanderson sharing their knowledge that made me want to and know how to really polish on the overall quality of what I'm writing.

  • @sashvosh
    @sashvosh Год назад

    omg this made me realize how special it was when someone gave chewie a medal in ep 9…. and it was the same medal that leis gave luke in ep 4 😭😭😭😭 chewie finally got his medal

  • @thoseaglestone9372
    @thoseaglestone9372 Месяц назад

    This specific lecture has helped me find errors with my first novel.

  • @reizak8966
    @reizak8966 3 года назад +1

    These videos have improved my writing so much! I keep having these great "ah hah!" moments while brainstorming.

  • @martinepstein9826
    @martinepstein9826 Месяц назад

    When you brought up the intro to A New Hope I suddenly heard the dulcet tones of Mr. Plinkett in the recesses of my mind.
    "You see, a guy named William Shakesman once said..."

  • @jg264
    @jg264 2 года назад

    wish the people at disney and amazon watched these wonderful videos!

  • @rstorms5782
    @rstorms5782 3 года назад +7

    The dislike comes from the writer with writer's block.

  • @thoseaglestone9372
    @thoseaglestone9372 Месяц назад

    I just bought and started reading The Lost Metal in order to analyze Sanderson's work in application of his theory. On the first page, there is a tone promise, conflict promise, and character promise.

  • @timavers
    @timavers 2 года назад

    Canto Bight = failure being a teacher and the imperfection of novice heroes. It reflects the evolution in screenwriting from Saturday serials toward a postmodern prospective.

  • @ArielBenichou
    @ArielBenichou 3 года назад

    Thank you Brandon! and thank you team! This is top notch! Content-wise and Production-wise!

  • @sarahkendall5714
    @sarahkendall5714 3 года назад

    I love these chunky 'short' videos!

  • @Yelnatsinthepit
    @Yelnatsinthepit 3 года назад +3

    The brawl had gone on long enough and Sir Goodfellow knew that if he didn’t step in he’d never have a chance inquire about the Fountain of Darkness at the center of town. He silently readied a spell of Forcible Push as a precaution and stepped forward.
    “Now that’s not the way a true warrior carries on in a fight,” he said in a calm yet threatening tone. “I’ve seen toddlers throw punches more heavy handed than you lot!”
    A bearded sailor stumbled forward, curiosity mixed with rage swirled through his eyes. “How dare you come into our theatre and disturb our rehearsal? Do you know how long Finley here had to learn this choreography? Two whole hours!”
    The rest of the troupe shouted out in support of their newest member, patting a small, slender man on the back. “It was me mum’s dying wish to see me on the big stage.”
    Sir Goodfellow made a quick glance around the area and removed his hand from his hilt. He spied a large sign post that read “Eastvale Concert Hall.” Clearly he overestimated the situation and felt blood rushing into his cheeks and ears. He took a step backwards, falling into a large pile of sticks and kindling.
    “Oh great, ya lummox!” The sailor, who was behaving much more like a stage manager, stomped forward. “Now you destroyed our giant nest prop for the finale when the little eagle destroys the big dragon! Do ya plan on ruining anything else on your way out?”
    The good knight rolled over to push himself up, managing to destroy some smaller, yet softer nests. He turned and beamed a weak smile to the group. His spell of Forcible Push then triggered and fired upward to the ceiling. A large lantern came crashing down. The troupe fumed. Sir Goodfellow reached for his money bag.
    “How much do I owe?”
    “4K.”

  • @ElviraNoot
    @ElviraNoot 3 года назад

    This was probably my favorite video on writing yet. Thanks a ton brando sando

  • @PureMagma
    @PureMagma 3 года назад

    I learn so much from your lectures and that is all I need to stay loyal. BUT the fact that you drop the occasional "Easter eggs" where you support my need to see *The Last Jedi* receive unlimited numbers of thrashings by whips (from Indiana Jones or any others willing to give out lashes, verbal or otherwise...) This guarantees my loyalty to ALWAYS stop whatever I'm doing and watch your videos!

  • @KaraokeBanshee
    @KaraokeBanshee 2 года назад

    "4K scribbles on a whiteboard" is the name of my next contemporary novel

  • @Koshea69
    @Koshea69 Год назад +3

    So it wasn't a little ship blowing up a big ship, it was friend ship blowing up a big ship. Moral of the story, friendship is the best ship

  • @maokai09
    @maokai09 3 месяца назад

    Bless the souls of all involved

  • @Sergiopoo
    @Sergiopoo 3 года назад +2

    31:22 I like getting movies/books spoiled because if it is something cool I'm interested in what took place for that to happened, if it is boring then I don't have to watch the movie and at the same time know what happens. Is a win-win for me

  • @gwenminor9244
    @gwenminor9244 3 года назад

    The storytelling teacher king is back

  • @gongjusky
    @gongjusky 8 месяцев назад

    I enjoy watching your videos. I'm a new subscriber and I've been having this huge writerblovk. You have explained so much very easily and I have only watched two of your videos thus far. Thanks so much for sharing your wisdom and knowledge with with. It is really helping and I'm very grateful 🙏 💕

  • @valkordarkmoor9108
    @valkordarkmoor9108 3 года назад

    The master at work is a wonder to watch

  • @magnus_cockstrong
    @magnus_cockstrong 2 месяца назад

    Sanderson is a good teacher

  • @saras7563
    @saras7563 3 года назад +2

    I had a senior teacher once that nearly ripped me a new one because I misspelled a word on a board I wish this guy was my teacher

  • @AyrisMoon
    @AyrisMoon 3 года назад

    Loved this, exactly what I needed with my writer’s block. Thank youUu, looking forward for your next upload!

  • @briannewman9285
    @briannewman9285 3 года назад

    There is so much awesome content in here. I’d absolutely love to see you write a book on plotting.

  • @tyson7417
    @tyson7417 3 года назад

    It was the pressure plate!!!!!?? Came here for the plot lesson and now I'm rewatching Raiders of the Lost Ark.

  • @Osiris623
    @Osiris623 3 года назад +1

    Brandon needs to write a novel for the sole purpose of giving specific examples (with 100% spoilers) of how and why he wrote it the way he did. I think that's the only thing missing from his teaching, because he's SO vague in talking about his own books.

    • @dekisuba
      @dekisuba 3 года назад

      He did something like that with Warbreaker

  • @howardkoor2796
    @howardkoor2796 2 года назад

    This guy knows so much!

  • @dpeady78
    @dpeady78 3 года назад +14

    Just last night I was reading “On Writing” and Uncle Steve never plots “the characters find the way”
    Who to listen to ? Uncle Steve or Uncle Brandon 😂😂

    • @P.T.S.E.
      @P.T.S.E. 3 года назад +10

      If you mean Stephen King, then I remember his way of writing is kind of peculiar, as he starts writing from a focal point.
      As far as I remember, when something triggers his imagination, he envisions a scene, then goes backwards to find the characters' starting point and discover how they got there. After that is done, he returns to the scene and goes forward to see how they solved it.
      Brandon talks about the two kinds of writers in another video, calling them architect and gardener respectively, in the way they build their books.
      Use whatever method is suited for you. And even if you are a discovery writer, this lecture is handy for revisions. It can give you a structure that helps to see what went wrong, or how your writing can be better.

    • @dpeady78
      @dpeady78 3 года назад +4

      @@P.T.S.E. couldn’t agree more, more of a flippant comment based on the fact that my brain has been presented with these two opposing thought processes, by two legendary authors, in the space of about 12 hours 😀

    • @eslawson4202
      @eslawson4202 3 года назад +2

      Agree with Perfectly Timed System Error.
      Also, remember these two giants write completely different kinds of stories.

    • @Ruylopez778
      @Ruylopez778 3 года назад +3

      @@dpeady78 (I paraphrased)
      King - "Don't write your ideas down. If they're good enough they stick around."
      Lynch - "Write down every idea as clear as you can, so that you understand the idea. Forgetting a great idea is a horrible feeling."
      Now, who has better ideas, King or Lynch....?

    • @sanku1999
      @sanku1999 3 года назад +2

      If you are an excellent pantser then more power to you. If you aren't then at least basic planning needs to be there otherwise it can quickly lead to a mess.

  • @tenebraeink3025
    @tenebraeink3025 Месяц назад

    I love love this video. I revisit it frequently.

  • @megamoochilli3297
    @megamoochilli3297 3 года назад +7

    Wait wait wait It wasn't a light activated trap??? it was really the pressure plate?!?!?!

    • @billyalarie929
      @billyalarie929 3 года назад +1

      I had to watch that movie multiple times to get that when I was younger but yeah, definitely a pressure plate

  • @domiwren
    @domiwren Год назад

    I randomly opened this video.. now i need to stop it, find paper and take notes 😁