Hayata has been NOAH’s Jr ace for the last few years. He is arguably the best presented/protected wrestler in NOAH and it’s a total mystery because he is painfully below par. He has a cool look but doesn’t measure up to the likes of Harada, Ishimori, K.Suzuki, Kotoge, Marvin, Yoshioka - let alone JR Nakajima, Kenta, Marufuji or Suguira. If NOAH booked the likes of Kenoh, Kiyomia, Inamura, Kitamiya or Miyawaki as they have Hayata The conversation around NOAH would be totally different.
@@RarnieM understandable. I have to agree, he is not on the level of the previous jr aces but his matches are not as bad as most people think they are, at least imo.
I think Rarnie made a great point about how overpushed he is being a big problem and also I would add how stale he is as a character. If you look at HAYATA/YO-HEY when they were signed to NOAH years ago, HAYATA was the more technically proficient wrestler. But YO-HEY, while not being great IMO has constantly tried to do different things to be better and switch it up. HAYATA is literally the same wrestler he was 7 years ago without even an attempt to improve. I won't put all the blame on him but the constant STINGER stuff was so bad even the one who ran NOAH's English Twitter complained why they got so much spotlight because they were so boring. The Jack match wasn't necessarily his fault because the layout was inherently flawed regardless of participants but he once again essentially failed up while being one of NOAH's most protected overall wrestlers. The Jr. Division has been essentially gutted due to his neverending title reigns with no classic or even really great matches at all with years of chances others don't get. I'm willing to listen to matches you think are standout he's had and give him another chance if you think we are too hard on him but just in my mind watching him all these years the ones I would say are even good are few and far between.
I really agree with this whole point and it's a troubling sight seeing where the division was even 10 years ago which was still great but seen as lesser than the classic era of the late 00s compared to now. The Jr's. of NOAH were one of the absolute biggest draws to the company and why I preferred it over NJPW for so long and nowadays it is so so far removed and not even a positive. Someone like Kotoge who was wasting away basically immediately became one of their best and most popular acts upon becoming Heavy again when he was doing that as a Jr. back then.
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Why do you guys hate HAYATA? I find him fine.
Hayata has been NOAH’s Jr ace for the last few years. He is arguably the best presented/protected wrestler in NOAH and it’s a total mystery because he is painfully below par. He has a cool look but doesn’t measure up to the likes of Harada, Ishimori, K.Suzuki, Kotoge, Marvin, Yoshioka - let alone JR Nakajima, Kenta, Marufuji or Suguira. If NOAH booked the likes of Kenoh, Kiyomia, Inamura, Kitamiya or Miyawaki as they have Hayata The conversation around NOAH would be totally different.
@@RarnieM understandable. I have to agree, he is not on the level of the previous jr aces but his matches are not as bad as most people think they are, at least imo.
I think Rarnie made a great point about how overpushed he is being a big problem and also I would add how stale he is as a character. If you look at HAYATA/YO-HEY when they were signed to NOAH years ago, HAYATA was the more technically proficient wrestler. But YO-HEY, while not being great IMO has constantly tried to do different things to be better and switch it up. HAYATA is literally the same wrestler he was 7 years ago without even an attempt to improve. I won't put all the blame on him but the constant STINGER stuff was so bad even the one who ran NOAH's English Twitter complained why they got so much spotlight because they were so boring. The Jack match wasn't necessarily his fault because the layout was inherently flawed regardless of participants but he once again essentially failed up while being one of NOAH's most protected overall wrestlers. The Jr. Division has been essentially gutted due to his neverending title reigns with no classic or even really great matches at all with years of chances others don't get.
I'm willing to listen to matches you think are standout he's had and give him another chance if you think we are too hard on him but just in my mind watching him all these years the ones I would say are even good are few and far between.
I really agree with this whole point and it's a troubling sight seeing where the division was even 10 years ago which was still great but seen as lesser than the classic era of the late 00s compared to now. The Jr's. of NOAH were one of the absolute biggest draws to the company and why I preferred it over NJPW for so long and nowadays it is so so far removed and not even a positive. Someone like Kotoge who was wasting away basically immediately became one of their best and most popular acts upon becoming Heavy again when he was doing that as a Jr. back then.