Leinster is strong but I really think what makes the difference between them and Toulouse is the Top 14. There is no hiding in the Top 14, all 14 clubs play with their knives out day in day out. In the URC, it is like the Premiership or Super Rugby, there is no relegation, therefore there are dead rubbers, there are games that you can afford to by pass and therefore, you are not set in a do or die environment and mentality. Not many people gives credit to not only the Top 14 but the lower divisions ProD2 and Fédérales but when you look at it, the reason why it is successful is because it respects the essence of sport and competition which is the best clubs stay alive, the weaker are relegated. It is rough for the supporters but it is also exciting and test their loyalty to the core. It is brutal, it is ruthless but it means there is no place for slacking in the French Divisions of Rugby. There is no place for the Newcastle Falcons, you cannot do that in France, you would not even last to Fédérales level because relegation is a water hole that does not work on aristocracy and it will have your club sink fast. So all these clubs they function on merit, hard work, results and grassroot. If you walk into a French club changing room, it is brutal, it is even feral at times. It is no child play, no spoiled brats allowed in there, you're going to be hurt until you are shaped into a team player and the club Culture and Identity. Now, Irish rugby takes great care of their grassroot and this 3rd Loss does not make Leinster a bad franchise, nor did it make Munster, Ulster or Connacht. Toulouse suffered loses and it is part of the process but I strongly believe the franchise system and this absence of true competition aka DANGER aka relegation creates a false sense of security. To win FINALS you have to feel ENDANGERED. You have to feel cornered, there has to be a certain amount of FEAR otherwise you will not learn how to conquer that fear. It is very much a matter of survival instinct. Where there is no danger, there is no instinct. Relegation to me is everything, sport without it is not sport and this is why I cannot watch Super Rugby or the URC or the Premiership anymore, I just cannot bother to see clubs giving away games, disrespecting the supporters because the RISK FACTOR has been taken out entirely and the players feel entitled. Let me remind you all salaries are higher in the Premiership than they are in the Top 14. The highest salaries in European Rugby are in England. So if you give players the most, you have to expect the most. Look at the Newcastle Falcons, how come they get to stay in the Premiership season after season with zero win and the likes of... Ealing or Coventry will never ever get to play in the top flight of English Rugby because... they are not part of this aristocratic club? It is unfair, it is unsportsmanlike, it is disrespectful, it is rigged in a way and it kills grassroot. As a player in these RFU clubs, why would you bother to make rugby union your life? You literally have all the drawbacks, the risk of permanent injuries, no money for your family, and no goal because the next level is not made accessible to you. Even when I was living in England, I have never heard about the RFU once. But anyway, it is not about English rugby, it is about that model that rejects the RISK and therefore does not always get the REWARD. I cannot understand how you can wish to grow the sport and tell 3/4 of your country folks, sorry but even if you win all the lower divisions, we will never allow you in. It is called inbreeding when you keep to a few and I think to some extent (lesser than English clubs) Leinster and Irish Provinces pay for it. In France, we have an old motto that says: "A vaincre sans péril, on triomphe sans gloire" to win without peril results only in unheroic triumph. Danger is not only the salt of sport, it is the salt of life. Anything without it is artificial. I really feel for the Leinster supporter but I can see a structural reason for this, granted Leinster has 4 stars on the jersey so, has something changed in this structure or is it that other Leagues have stepped up? The Top 14 for sure has never been as competitive. There were times in the past where the Agen, Toulouse, Colomiers, Toulon, Brive, Beziers and co were fighting it out fiercely but the sport has stepped up so massively since the professional era, there is not a club that you cannot fear in the Top 14. Take Perpignan and Bayonne, they are taking big scalps for a living or a surviving. And their fanbase is strong as ever. Not a Top 14 club would fear the Newcastle Falcons. They are a dead rubber and contempt to be so because the Premiership allows it. Who is this rewarding? Not the club owners, not the supporters and the players get paid regardless. They will never win a thing. Leinster has a bright future, I reckon Munster is getting a bit revival. It is good for the future of Irish Rugby but the risk factor... where is it?
You put it very succinctly. I think other nations will catch on but it'll be a matter of when, which may be a very long time. In the mean time Top 14, ProD2, the third and even fourth division French leagues teams will be going from strength to strength. They have cracked the formula which admittedly wasn't that hard to crack really. All you need is competence. Also I hate to be that guy, but it's "content" instead of "contempt"
@vertz1984 Can't just be Cullen even though selection is ultimately down to him. The Byrnes must have other influential supporters in camp too. The external perspective has always favoured Frawley.
@@FR-je9bw 100 percent. I don’t know why they still get starting jerseys. Frawley has so much potential at 10 that has yet to be viewed due to favortism of the byrnes
@@swann67000 World cup is a team effort, and Dupont isn't the French team I'm 58 and began watching rugby in the seventies when I was a kid... I've never seen any player with so much qualities that goes beyond is team position If you don't believe me, just look at his stats for this tournament 1st in number of carries, 2nd in number of clean breaks (better than Penaud or Bielle Barey), 2nd in meters made, 3rd (on par with L.Botia and T. Berne) on the turnovers, 1st in offloads Some were puting JGP at the same level, but JGP only surpasses him in the number of passes made and he does not appear in any of the categories mentioned before It's been several years that Dupont is on another level and I hope he'll be there for more... it's always a pleasure to see a master at work
For irish rugby, it's worrying. We produce players through our school system with unbelievable skills and talent. They then go straight into Leinster mostly. They don't face much adversity, always play in their comfy little bubble. In big games at World Cups or Heineken Cup finals, we don't seem to have the mental strength to win. It's happened a few times now, so it might not be a coincidence.
On Frawley's decision to take the drop goal at the end of the 80. I thought it was an excellent decision. After he missed it, we got the ball back on halfway with another chance to score. Unfortunately we got turned over.
There was a lot there that looked like learnings from previous finals. The much maligned decisions to go to the corner vs kick the goals was a reflection of 2022 - Leinster took all the points that were offered in 2022, when they had gone to the corner in every game prior to that. In 2023, it looked like they wanted to get the clock into the red before attempting a DG (understandable given how 2022 ended), but this year both drop goal attempts were tactically sound. Leinster dominated because Toulouse were content to soak up pressure and win a turnover. How many times were Leinster turned over in Toulouse's 22 (or even around the 5m line). Leinster lost the breakdown, got turned over a lot and looked disjointed in attack. You'd hope Bleyendaal can sort the attack out. Sam Prendergast is the future of Leinster and probably Ireland. If they're not going to let him go to Connacht, they should get him meaningful minutes in what remains of the URC season.
How in gods name has Andrew Goodman been promoted to Irish attack coach. Absolute Farce 😂. Mike Prendergarst has transformed Munsters attack while Goodman has turned Leinsters once unbelievable multi phase attack into a one dimensional, unconhesive mess. Luckily for Munster fans they keep Prendergarst though
First comment I've seen calling out Goodman. We look like our attack hasn't been worked on since Lancaster left. Seriously concerning from an Irish perspective.
You guys know UBB in France ? The rugby club for the town of Bordeaux, the attack coach is Noel Mc Namara, he does some REAL miracles !!! Sure there is some beautiful players here, all playing for France team, but still, this guy does some real miracles, and he's Irish.
Agree we should have got a 10 in. But it's easy to blame one man . This team are full off Ireland players . They just need a new manager who doesn't have the loyalty Leo has to them.
Couple of points. Toulouse did their homework . Attack the breakdown , stop Leinster. Space out wide if you move the ball quickly - 1 try . I thought Frawley under extreme pressure in heat of game was excellent. Why oh why he is not starting 10 I will never know . Final point is Leinster attack has definitely gone backwards . Hopefully Tyler coming in will breathe a revival. Very very hard to take as this was definitely a Leinster loss , even with the heroics of DuPont . On to URC .
Saffa here, gutted for the Leinster guys. This will not be your last final. You will win plenty in the future. Beaten bye better team on the day. Toulouse absolutely owned the breakdown. Can’t help but feel like that backline does not look as lethal without Jonny Sexton and Garry Ringrose.
Yes, I think either of those guys would have made the difference. Ross Byrne is very mediocre and doesn't run the attack near as well as Sexton . Osborne is promising but Ringrose is far ahead of him at this time. Thanks for the kind words but I don't think our form has been great this year and we probably got as far as we deserved.
Congratulations to Toulouse , great game of Rugby , a fitting fiinal, somebody had to loose . Fine margins Leinster lost it at the breakdown .sure there will be questions asked as to why , but nothing major to worry about . Leinster will be back next year . Practice makes perfect .
They were beaten at the breakdown, poor decision making from the captain turning down points, poor discipline, poor execution in the Red zone, a 10 who's not good enough and an officiating crew who were awful, mainly to Leinster.
It’s a really interesting post game review. I think the only part that is missing is about how Toulouse prepared for this competition compared to previous years. Ugo Mola has for the past few years integrated the U20 players into the pro squad for training. This season in Top 14, he has involved 55 players in the league games with great results as Toulouse is on top of the league,already qualified for the semifinals,with two games left. This allowed the international players to rotate and take way more rest than previous years. Toulouse never had such a refreshed team in the H Cup final until today.
C est vrai. C est la 1 ère fois qu on joue le Leinster avec le même niveau de fraîcheur, et c est aussi une partie a mon sens de l explication de la victoire
Hey Leinster, it is much harder to win when the referee applies the rules at the ruck : holding after tackle, going over the advantage line, entry from the side, not releasing when tackle is complete. I did not count the number of penalties against Leinster at the ruck, but it must be the vast majority
Poor decision making meant they didn’t take their 3 pointers. They never had a sniff of a try and kept going to the corner. Had they kicked even half of those penalties they would have got their noses in front.
Arrogance again from Leinster. Why going to touch instead of taking the 3 points when you had a chance? This is a f**king final they were playing, you HAVE to take points when you have a chance. Toulouse was much more realistic about it. But I will not forget that if that drop was successful at the end of the regular time, Leinster could have been champions yesterday. Hopefully, Toulouse will be more vigilant on that in the future. Vive le rugby et les chocolatines !
@@Chris64France This is just common sense. Against a strond defensive side, you just DON'T go to touch when you got a penalty, you have too much risk to be kicked out of your oppenent's camp without having any points. You need to get the 3 points !
@@ytevysbhtb In fact it's in the DNA of Leinster to reach the kick to touch but they changed their game plan when they've understood it would going to be difficult to score against the ST (cf 76' minute and before). They didn't do wrong but ST was at their best level in the back
crap to say the side of the draw was more difficult for Leinster. This guy has not seen that La rochelle was below average this year ? Beaten by half of the top 14 teams including the last one of the rankings.
At the end of the day forwards generally win matches and Toulouse got 19 turnovers including a few from Dupont. Most of these were at critical times in the game. Their desire was unreal. It speaks volumes for Leinsters character that they still could have won the game with a drop goal on 79 minutes. They will win the URC and next year with a fit Ringrose will win this competition as well.
Nope we have botched the URC run in so will have an away semi final v Munster or Bulls (if we win the quarter final, and I wouldn't even be confident of that)
I don’t how and why you expect the attack to be sharp and have rhythm when the starters literally haven’t played in 2 weeks and also have not played enough together since the 6 nations
We miss mental toughness so badly, Sean O'Brien, Kearney, Sexton, Nacewa etc. Once Healy retires the group will have no big time players left. This group has won nothing. The 2018 cup had sexton, kearney, nacewa and healy started.
Can’t explain it ! They don’t play there best players in enough games ! Near enough the Irish team Cullen has to go ! Will probably play the bulls in the semi final! How many of the first team have played in south Africa?
Why word this video heading with a spoiler? Now I know the result before I’ve gotten to see the game. I’ll be sure to turn off notifications for this channel now.
Ref was a disaster. Exact same situation where Lowe gets yellow and penalty against they then score 10 points. French did exactly same thing in the first half and Ref did nothing. Ref completely swung this for the French. Ref Not nearly good enough. How can the exact same situation in first half with the French result in the Ref doing nothing yet in second He seriously penalised Leinster for the exact same situation. Dreadful Ref.
I must agree with that. Even my teenage daughter that doesn't really watch rugby asked that very thing straight away to me .. and she said I taught Refs in rugby ware supposed to be better then football 😢
Doris, Josh VDF, Sheehan, Lamour JGP, James Lowe, Ciaran Frawley all had hardworking game with intent and our forwards worked hard. And sure Toulouse's defence at the breakdown killed their momentum and attacking chances to get go forward ball. Who is the Toulouse defence coach? Looking at that Label try which was worked from Toulouse's own half. was slick and fast attack and they switched it on in a second. They weren't letting that opportunity of Leinster being down a man pass them by in a final. The Northampton Saints game showed the lack of ideas in attack for Leinster. It was James Lowe and JGP who created those tries. Toulouse saw it and shut them down. The Leinster coaches could have looked at attack tactics from that game to improve for the final. Agree with @BonuxCouleur below the Top 14 sharpens French teams into that do-or-die instinct that perhaps the URC does not give the Leinster team. Also Leinster had 80% support in that stadium so the noise was on Leinster team's side. Toulouse had only 20% showing whether the support is there enmass or not does not affect their intent to fight it out to win the final and silverware.
Frawley and Prendergast have to be our 10’s, I was at the game, officials were poor, but that was expected! Our attack was blunt, really missed Ringrose and Jimmy O’Brien, dominated the scrum but maul was defended easily, kept persisting with going for the corner, decision making wasn’t great! Dupont was incredible as was Willis!!
People. Don't blame one man ( no 10 ) its the whole team that falls apart in big games . If you keep resting players every year before the big game and keep losing. Then its the management that needs to go.. the whole world knew sexton was going and they didn't bring in a experienced world class no 10 .. they just need a old head for a season 2 seasons while Sam got better.. 😢
Some wrong calls on the penalties for leinster and the referee i felt was biased. Leinster made Toulouse look ordinary, it just didn't tell on the score board .😮
Leinster choked again. Cut the nonsense, its the third Final in a row where the game was there to be won and they crumbled under pressure. Doris turning down 3 shots at Goal is unforgivable. However Toulouse were immense and deserved the win
leinster/ ireland lack those natural freak of south pacific so consistency is their key! if you can break that you break them! key positions of 10/9 are crucial to make that happen!
Best Team Won, by Hard Graft & Believe in their Rugby. Leinster had enough Chances to Win the Game but their Over Arrogance & belief in Brute Force went Against Them. Leinster won Previous Finals by having Outstanding Players in Key Positions who also played Rugby with Intelligence & didn't think they only had to Show Up to Collect the TROPHY. Of course You are entitled to Disagree.
Please tell me what is it Andrew Porter brings to the plate to justify keeping him on for 86 minutes. Leinster have now lost their last 4 finals, that's 4 in 6 years. Something is horribly wrong. Cian Healy starts in a lot of other top teams and is treated like some useless waste of space with Leinster. They missed ringrose big time. Also missing lancaster so much too. Next year maybe 9: Gibson-Park, 10: Barrett, 12: Henshaw, 13: Ringrose
What disallowed Lowe try?! The whistle was blown loooong before the ball even got into his hands! Even if there was no knock-on and whistle, then there is no guarantee he would've even gotten the ball, much less scored. Stop trying to change the narrative, your bias is showing 🤦♂️
leinster outhalf no where near good enough, they should have known that and Larmour looks like a running fool who was badly caught for their tr. Also, its clear Irish teams are not good enough at the ruck
It seems too much to ask that commentators would actually make an effort to pronounce the name, of a player they are praising, correctly It’s a very widespread name in France, and you don’t pronounce the ‘t’ in Dupont any more than you pronounce the ‘gh’ at the end of my first name.
This is heartbreaking stuff But give it to the men in red, they were relentless and their well known scrummie especially so…😳⁉️ Still do’nt understand why, though, in a FINAL, one does’nt take every single point you can get when you can get it ⁉️⁉️⁉️ WHY ❓ It boggles the mind… 👊🔥 🪖
Josh VDF and Frawley made such an impact ....sick of hearing about defence coach Jacques Nienaber ..where was our attack?...
They had plenty of opportunities to go for the posts but kicked to the corner too many times.
Frawley needs the starting 10 jersey to develop into his potential. Leinster we need Frawley starting 10 so we can win more!
in the arms of toulouse defence...
I always had a uneasy feeling about Jac moving to Leinster, he's now gonna be the scapegoat for this downfall of which most of us knew and felt coming
Leinster is strong but I really think what makes the difference between them and Toulouse is the Top 14. There is no hiding in the Top 14, all 14 clubs play with their knives out day in day out. In the URC, it is like the Premiership or Super Rugby, there is no relegation, therefore there are dead rubbers, there are games that you can afford to by pass and therefore, you are not set in a do or die environment and mentality. Not many people gives credit to not only the Top 14 but the lower divisions ProD2 and Fédérales but when you look at it, the reason why it is successful is because it respects the essence of sport and competition which is the best clubs stay alive, the weaker are relegated. It is rough for the supporters but it is also exciting and test their loyalty to the core. It is brutal, it is ruthless but it means there is no place for slacking in the French Divisions of Rugby. There is no place for the Newcastle Falcons, you cannot do that in France, you would not even last to Fédérales level because relegation is a water hole that does not work on aristocracy and it will have your club sink fast. So all these clubs they function on merit, hard work, results and grassroot. If you walk into a French club changing room, it is brutal, it is even feral at times. It is no child play, no spoiled brats allowed in there, you're going to be hurt until you are shaped into a team player and the club Culture and Identity. Now, Irish rugby takes great care of their grassroot and this 3rd Loss does not make Leinster a bad franchise, nor did it make Munster, Ulster or Connacht. Toulouse suffered loses and it is part of the process but I strongly believe the franchise system and this absence of true competition aka DANGER aka relegation creates a false sense of security. To win FINALS you have to feel ENDANGERED. You have to feel cornered, there has to be a certain amount of FEAR otherwise you will not learn how to conquer that fear. It is very much a matter of survival instinct. Where there is no danger, there is no instinct. Relegation to me is everything, sport without it is not sport and this is why I cannot watch Super Rugby or the URC or the Premiership anymore, I just cannot bother to see clubs giving away games, disrespecting the supporters because the RISK FACTOR has been taken out entirely and the players feel entitled. Let me remind you all salaries are higher in the Premiership than they are in the Top 14. The highest salaries in European Rugby are in England. So if you give players the most, you have to expect the most. Look at the Newcastle Falcons, how come they get to stay in the Premiership season after season with zero win and the likes of... Ealing or Coventry will never ever get to play in the top flight of English Rugby because... they are not part of this aristocratic club? It is unfair, it is unsportsmanlike, it is disrespectful, it is rigged in a way and it kills grassroot. As a player in these RFU clubs, why would you bother to make rugby union your life? You literally have all the drawbacks, the risk of permanent injuries, no money for your family, and no goal because the next level is not made accessible to you. Even when I was living in England, I have never heard about the RFU once. But anyway, it is not about English rugby, it is about that model that rejects the RISK and therefore does not always get the REWARD. I cannot understand how you can wish to grow the sport and tell 3/4 of your country folks, sorry but even if you win all the lower divisions, we will never allow you in. It is called inbreeding when you keep to a few and I think to some extent (lesser than English clubs) Leinster and Irish Provinces pay for it. In France, we have an old motto that says: "A vaincre sans péril, on triomphe sans gloire" to win without peril results only in unheroic triumph. Danger is not only the salt of sport, it is the salt of life. Anything without it is artificial. I really feel for the Leinster supporter but I can see a structural reason for this, granted Leinster has 4 stars on the jersey so, has something changed in this structure or is it that other Leagues have stepped up? The Top 14 for sure has never been as competitive. There were times in the past where the Agen, Toulouse, Colomiers, Toulon, Brive, Beziers and co were fighting it out fiercely but the sport has stepped up so massively since the professional era, there is not a club that you cannot fear in the Top 14. Take Perpignan and Bayonne, they are taking big scalps for a living or a surviving. And their fanbase is strong as ever. Not a Top 14 club would fear the Newcastle Falcons. They are a dead rubber and contempt to be so because the Premiership allows it. Who is this rewarding? Not the club owners, not the supporters and the players get paid regardless. They will never win a thing. Leinster has a bright future, I reckon Munster is getting a bit revival. It is good for the future of Irish Rugby but the risk factor... where is it?
Leinster consist of 80 percent of the Irish national team. This does not allow for growth or depth of the squad. Different playing style etc.
Jesus. Have you ever heard of paragraphs?
I agree. In Top 14 every team is highly challenged. You have to perform all the time to be and remain in the top 6
You put it very succinctly. I think other nations will catch on but it'll be a matter of when, which may be a very long time.
In the mean time Top 14, ProD2, the third and even fourth division French leagues teams will be going from strength to strength. They have cracked the formula which admittedly wasn't that hard to crack really. All you need is competence.
Also I hate to be that guy, but it's "content" instead of "contempt"
there is relegation at least for SA teams in URC, learn your sport!
Frawley's lack of time at 10, has shown. Byrnes are not up to it. Ciaran should be 10.
Agreed. They have had plenty of opportunities to give him an extended run at 10 and never taken it. He is vastly superior at 10 to Ross Byrne
100 percent. I don’t know why Cullen loves the Brynes so much
@vertz1984 Can't just be Cullen even though selection is ultimately down to him. The Byrnes must have other influential supporters in camp too. The external perspective has always favoured Frawley.
@@FR-je9bw 100 percent. I don’t know why they still get starting jerseys. Frawley has so much potential at 10 that has yet to be viewed due to favortism of the byrnes
Dupont, Willis... They were huge! Congrats Toulouse.
Think DuPont could be the best player ever. If he keeps this up could go down as best ever, his effect on games is massive
World cup 😢 😭
@sHe still has time wann67000
@@swann67000 Seulement si les Sudaf (les Springboks) ne nous la vole pas !
Carter and McCaw were better.
@@swann67000 World cup is a team effort, and Dupont isn't the French team
I'm 58 and began watching rugby in the seventies when I was a kid... I've never seen any player with so much qualities that goes beyond is team position
If you don't believe me, just look at his stats for this tournament
1st in number of carries, 2nd in number of clean breaks (better than Penaud or Bielle Barey), 2nd in meters made, 3rd (on par with L.Botia and T. Berne) on the turnovers, 1st in offloads
Some were puting JGP at the same level, but JGP only surpasses him in the number of passes made and he does not appear in any of the categories mentioned before
It's been several years that Dupont is on another level and I hope he'll be there for more... it's always a pleasure to see a master at work
For irish rugby, it's worrying. We produce players through our school system with unbelievable skills and talent. They then go straight into Leinster mostly. They don't face much adversity, always play in their comfy little bubble. In big games at World Cups or Heineken Cup finals, we don't seem to have the mental strength to win. It's happened a few times now, so it might not be a coincidence.
On Frawley's decision to take the drop goal at the end of the 80.
I thought it was an excellent decision. After he missed it, we got the ball back on halfway with another chance to score. Unfortunately we got turned over.
There was a lot there that looked like learnings from previous finals. The much maligned decisions to go to the corner vs kick the goals was a reflection of 2022 - Leinster took all the points that were offered in 2022, when they had gone to the corner in every game prior to that. In 2023, it looked like they wanted to get the clock into the red before attempting a DG (understandable given how 2022 ended), but this year both drop goal attempts were tactically sound. Leinster dominated because Toulouse were content to soak up pressure and win a turnover. How many times were Leinster turned over in Toulouse's 22 (or even around the 5m line).
Leinster lost the breakdown, got turned over a lot and looked disjointed in attack. You'd hope Bleyendaal can sort the attack out.
Sam Prendergast is the future of Leinster and probably Ireland. If they're not going to let him go to Connacht, they should get him meaningful minutes in what remains of the URC season.
How in gods name has Andrew Goodman been promoted to Irish attack coach. Absolute Farce 😂. Mike Prendergarst has transformed Munsters attack while Goodman has turned Leinsters once unbelievable multi phase attack into a one dimensional, unconhesive mess. Luckily for Munster fans they keep Prendergarst though
that is a big question that will come out of this weekend. Finally someone is speaking honestly regarding Leinster's attack.
First comment I've seen calling out Goodman. We look like our attack hasn't been worked on since Lancaster left. Seriously concerning from an Irish perspective.
It's a fair question. Think he has been overshadowed by Nienaber.
You guys know UBB in France ? The rugby club for the town of Bordeaux, the attack coach is Noel Mc Namara, he does some REAL miracles !!!
Sure there is some beautiful players here, all playing for France team, but still, this guy does some real miracles, and he's Irish.
@RogerBiwandu I thought McNamara was a shoo in for Leinster attack role. Guess he didn't want to leave Bordeaux!
They should have taken the three points when they were on offer
Leinster don't have a Test standard outhalf who continually fail in the big crunch moments
Agree we should have got a 10 in. But it's easy to blame one man . This team are full off Ireland players . They just need a new manager who doesn't have the loyalty Leo has to them.
Couple of points. Toulouse did their homework . Attack the breakdown , stop Leinster. Space out wide if you move the ball quickly - 1 try . I thought Frawley under extreme pressure in heat of game was excellent. Why oh why he is not starting 10 I will never know . Final point is Leinster attack has definitely gone backwards . Hopefully Tyler coming in will breathe a revival. Very very hard to take as this was definitely a Leinster loss , even with the heroics of DuPont . On to URC .
Saffa here, gutted for the Leinster guys. This will not be your last final. You will win plenty in the future. Beaten bye better team on the day. Toulouse absolutely owned the breakdown. Can’t help but feel like that backline does not look as lethal without Jonny Sexton and Garry Ringrose.
Yes, I think either of those guys would have made the difference. Ross Byrne is very mediocre and doesn't run the attack near as well as Sexton . Osborne is promising but Ringrose is far ahead of him at this time. Thanks for the kind words but I don't think our form has been great this year and we probably got as far as we deserved.
Sexton nails that drop goal with his eyes closed.
Gutted for Leinster but Toulouse are deserved winners.
Congratulations to Toulouse , great game of Rugby , a fitting fiinal, somebody had to loose . Fine margins Leinster lost it at the breakdown .sure there will be questions asked as to why , but nothing major to worry about .
Leinster will be back next year . Practice makes perfect .
They were beaten at the breakdown, poor decision making from the captain turning down points, poor discipline, poor execution in the Red zone, a 10 who's not good enough and an officiating crew who were awful, mainly to Leinster.
It’s a really interesting post game review. I think the only part that is missing is about how Toulouse prepared for this competition compared to previous years. Ugo Mola has for the past few years integrated the U20 players into the pro squad for training. This season in Top 14, he has involved 55 players in the league games with great results as Toulouse is on top of the league,already qualified for the semifinals,with two games left. This allowed the international players to rotate and take way more rest than previous years. Toulouse never had such a refreshed team in the H Cup final until today.
C est vrai. C est la 1 ère fois qu on joue le Leinster avec le même niveau de fraîcheur, et c est aussi une partie a mon sens de l explication de la victoire
Looks to me to much time has been spent on lenisters defence to the weaknesses of tere attack
The 1st 30 minutes leinster kept dropping balls like they ware rusty 😳 surprise surprise 😢😢
Hey Leinster, it is much harder to win when the referee applies the rules at the ruck : holding after tackle, going over the advantage line, entry from the side, not releasing when tackle is complete.
I did not count the number of penalties against Leinster at the ruck, but it must be the vast majority
Leinster will never learn. U always take ur points.
Poor decision making meant they didn’t take their 3 pointers. They never had a sniff of a try and kept going to the corner. Had they kicked even half of those penalties they would have got their noses in front.
No they won't take the 3 points they will be branded as playing boring 1 dimensional rugby
The mental side of any high level endeavours is such a large piece of the puzzle and I don't get the impression enough time is being spent on it.
Fantastic content. Great journalism. Please hire a crew. Presenter shouldn’t be balancing audio levels on the fly mid interview.
Arrogance again from Leinster. Why going to touch instead of taking the 3 points when you had a chance? This is a f**king final they were playing, you HAVE to take points when you have a chance. Toulouse was much more realistic about it. But I will not forget that if that drop was successful at the end of the regular time, Leinster could have been champions yesterday. Hopefully, Toulouse will be more vigilant on that in the future. Vive le rugby et les chocolatines !
It's easier to play a match in our sofa....
@@Chris64France This is just common sense. Against a strond defensive side, you just DON'T go to touch when you got a penalty, you have too much risk to be kicked out of your oppenent's camp without having any points. You need to get the 3 points !
@@ytevysbhtb In fact it's in the DNA of Leinster to reach the kick to touch but they changed their game plan when they've understood it would going to be difficult to score against the ST (cf 76' minute and before).
They didn't do wrong but ST was at their best level in the back
In some cases you don't get to play attractive rugby take the 3 points
crap to say the side of the draw was more difficult for Leinster. This guy has not seen that La rochelle was below average this year ? Beaten by half of the top 14 teams including the last one of the rankings.
Congratulations on a very fair review
Leinsters' legacy is fast becoming one of the greatest European rugby teams to fail
A great team is a winning team
The problem with commentaries is that if Leinster had nicked it with Frawley's kick the script would change totally.
Could people please stop putting capital P in Dupont ?!?
To lose one final is unfortunate, twice is careless a third in a row is bottling.
keyboard warrior
@@gavindaly7305 Bhahahahahhahaha.
You're crying as hard as I'm laughing, this will have me smiling all day.
Never getting to a final is worse
Agree and in the home of the biggest bottle team in football ⚽️ Spurs how fitting 😮 leinster fan here by the way .
At the end of the day forwards generally win matches and Toulouse got 19 turnovers including a few from Dupont. Most of these were at critical times in the game. Their desire was unreal. It speaks volumes for Leinsters character that they still could have won the game with a drop goal on 79 minutes. They will win the URC and next year with a fit Ringrose will win this competition as well.
Win the URC? Won't have a home semi as let that slip....
Nope we have botched the URC run in so will have an away semi final v Munster or Bulls (if we win the quarter final, and I wouldn't even be confident of that)
Win URC after last 3 games 3 defeats in a row?
I don’t how and why you expect the attack to be sharp and have rhythm when the starters literally haven’t played in 2 weeks and also have not played enough together since the 6 nations
Need a new 10 and a new head coach
Hopefully Jordie Barrett can play 10 next year
And there you go ahead again, writing off all the other teams in the URC, by saying Leinster only need to beat Munster to win the URC......
Leo has to go at the end of the story. He has been a great servant for us, but it's time for him to go.
Agree. Need someone who doesn't have loyalty to players 😮 thanks Leo but time to go
We miss mental toughness so badly, Sean O'Brien, Kearney, Sexton, Nacewa etc. Once Healy retires the group will have no big time players left. This group has won nothing. The 2018 cup had sexton, kearney, nacewa and healy started.
Can’t explain it ! They don’t play there best players in enough games ! Near enough the Irish team Cullen has to go ! Will probably play the bulls in the semi final! How many of the first team have played in south Africa?
Being an international for Leinster must be a sick gig😂😂😂😂😂
Play minimal games, get overhyped and overrated then GET PAID!!!
Ringrose is a massive loss to that team 😢.
Why word this video heading with a spoiler? Now I know the result before I’ve gotten to see the game. I’ll be sure to turn off notifications for this channel now.
Leo Cullen. Needs to go now ..
Ref was a disaster. Exact same situation where Lowe gets yellow and penalty against they then score 10 points. French did exactly same thing in the first half and Ref did nothing. Ref completely swung this for the French. Ref Not nearly good enough. How can the exact same situation in first half with the French result in the Ref doing nothing yet in second He seriously penalised Leinster for the exact same situation. Dreadful Ref.
I must agree with that. Even my teenage daughter that doesn't really watch rugby asked that very thing straight away to me .. and she said I taught Refs in rugby ware supposed to be better then football 😢
Spot on he was abysmal
Il me semble, a vérifier, que Roumat ne fait pas d en avant.
pleurnicheur!
Better team won simple
should have brought on Cian Tracey, he's class
Doris, Josh VDF, Sheehan, Lamour JGP, James Lowe, Ciaran Frawley all had hardworking game with intent and our forwards worked hard. And sure Toulouse's defence at the breakdown killed their momentum and attacking chances to get go forward ball. Who is the Toulouse defence coach? Looking at that Label try which was worked from Toulouse's own half. was slick and fast attack and they switched it on in a second. They weren't letting that opportunity of Leinster being down a man pass them by in a final. The Northampton Saints game showed the lack of ideas in attack for Leinster. It was James Lowe and JGP who created those tries. Toulouse saw it and shut them down. The Leinster coaches could have looked at attack tactics from that game to improve for the final. Agree with @BonuxCouleur below the Top 14 sharpens French teams into that do-or-die instinct that perhaps the URC does not give the Leinster team. Also Leinster had 80% support in that stadium so the noise was on Leinster team's side. Toulouse had only 20% showing whether the support is there enmass or not does not affect their intent to fight it out to win the final and silverware.
Frawley and Prendergast have to be our 10’s, I was at the game, officials were poor, but that was expected! Our attack was blunt, really missed Ringrose and Jimmy O’Brien, dominated the scrum but maul was defended easily, kept persisting with going for the corner, decision making wasn’t great! Dupont was incredible as was Willis!!
Can Springboks be less worried about Ireland tour after seeing that Leinster team face real quality opposition?
People. Don't blame one man ( no 10 ) its the whole team that falls apart in big games . If you keep resting players every year before the big game and keep losing. Then its the management that needs to go.. the whole world knew sexton was going and they didn't bring in a experienced world class no 10 .. they just need a old head for a season 2 seasons while Sam got better.. 😢
Im a Leinster fan .. and i hope we lose out in the URC ALSO . Didn't learn from resting players last season 😢
Wow, what's the point in trying to make out that Leinster don't seem too bothered at losing?
They they are the 2 experts
Some wrong calls on the penalties for leinster and the referee i felt was biased.
Leinster made Toulouse look ordinary, it just didn't tell on the score board .😮
Ireland in the mud...AGAIN!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Leinster choked again. Cut the nonsense, its the third Final in a row where the game was there to be won and they crumbled under pressure. Doris turning down 3 shots at Goal is unforgivable. However Toulouse were immense and deserved the win
Bruh these dudes faces...
Leinster put far too much emphasis on the champions Cup..concentrate on the domestic league first ...which they haven't won in a while.
leinster/ ireland lack those natural freak of south pacific so consistency is their key! if you can break that you break them! key positions of 10/9 are crucial to make that happen!
Best Team
Won, by Hard Graft & Believe in their Rugby.
Leinster had enough Chances to Win the Game but their Over Arrogance & belief in Brute Force went Against Them.
Leinster won Previous Finals by having Outstanding Players in Key Positions who also played Rugby with Intelligence & didn't think they only had to Show Up to Collect the TROPHY.
Of course You are entitled to Disagree.
If lienster have a lack of depth at loosehead the other provinces don't have any cover
Please tell me what is it Andrew Porter brings to the plate to justify keeping him on for 86 minutes. Leinster have now lost their last 4 finals, that's 4 in 6 years. Something is horribly wrong. Cian Healy starts in a lot of other top teams and is treated like some useless waste of space with Leinster. They missed ringrose big time. Also missing lancaster so much too. Next year maybe 9: Gibson-Park, 10: Barrett, 12: Henshaw, 13: Ringrose
Hahahahaha
o connor hasn't a clue as usual
Ahhh come on he knows everything about everything 😂😂😂
here we go again they wont admit they lost
What?
good scrum no win?
Leinster are the Mayo of the champions Cup 😂😂😂
And in spurs stadium 😅
Oi don’t pick on Mayo 🤛
Leinster need to sign a big-game #10 like Pollard or Mou'anga. Ross Byrne isn't it
So we will go potching again nah let's develop our own 10
Plenty of chances but didn’t convert.
Gosh Larmor is good looking
What disallowed Lowe try?! The whistle was blown loooong before the ball even got into his hands! Even if there was no knock-on and whistle, then there is no guarantee he would've even gotten the ball, much less scored. Stop trying to change the narrative, your bias is showing 🤦♂️
leinster outhalf no where near good enough, they should have known that and Larmour looks like a running fool who was badly caught for their tr. Also, its clear Irish teams are not good enough at the ruck
It seems too much to ask that commentators would actually make an effort to pronounce the name, of a player they are praising, correctly
It’s a very widespread name in France, and you don’t pronounce the ‘t’ in Dupont any more than you pronounce the ‘gh’ at the end of my first name.
Firing shots! They where all blanks never looked like breaking the Toulouse defence
The Lowe try getting called back was a farce and the Sheehan break penalty was incorrect too. That's two...
they hd more line breaks then toulouse , details you knob
Toulouse 6 - Leinster 4
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Well spotted, you’re on the ball.
Would’ve
Could’ve
Should’ve
Nearly
Almost
Just Didn’t
I think you can figure out where I’m getting at
Do go on
Rory O'Connor 😂
D4 IRFU will offer another contract to some Kiwi or Saffa money mercenary. While the other province's get FA
Most homegrown team. Irfu top man is Munster so learn a bit more.
Rubbish statement . Do you know anything about structure of Irish Rugby ?
heartbreak ??? they should be on ? no sport is not on paper or bookmakers science but they still conviced they re" the only one" thats why they lost
That's what happens when a Mayo man plays in a final 😂
Wash your mouth out.
like why like do all like irish like presenters like keep like saying like
Its this specific channel that overate any team Irish. Happened against NZ too....
This is heartbreaking stuff
But give it to the men in red, they were relentless
and their well known scrummie especially so…😳⁉️
Still do’nt understand why, though, in a FINAL, one does’nt take every single point you can get when you can get it
⁉️⁉️⁉️ WHY ❓
It boggles the mind…
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😂 best team in the wooooorrrrrrlllldddd
Your spelling is atrocious, back to school for you.
Ross Byrne aka "the homeless mans Johnny Sexton"! A poor, poor outhalf. Leinster ladyboys bottle it yet again!
Leinster finally ran out of luck, can't get every bounce and decision
Leinster aka Mayo
Very few people outside of Dublin will not be pleased to see Toulouse win