Willis around 30 "plaquages" completed. Amazing ! I would like to see him stay in Toulouse even if it means not being eligible for the English national team.
I was behind the goal for some of those box kicks and to see them live was special. Keenan was under all sorts of pressure trying to cover. Delighted I got to see Dupont live
jim said it, gibson park is a top top 9,....but dupont is another level above him. best player in the world at the moment ,and we are lucky to see him.
When it’s justified. Although I think he is one of the greatest players at the moment, there are other players that have won multiple world cups that I would choose first. France should have been at least in the final last year, but they failed. It was a terrible shame, I was very excited to see DuPont play (and I’m English), but to say he is the best player ever is a bit silly
I agree, Antoine Dupont is the greatest player of all time, he has an absolutely considerable impact on the game, he is physical, he is clairvoyant, he is technically exceptional, this guy has no weaknesses he is brilliant in all areas, It’s a privilege to be able to see him play!
@@austingtir ....For pity's sake, Richie McCaw plays on the ground all the time, his talent consists of hiding his mistakes from the referee's eyes.... and he is not as versatile as Antoine Dupont.
On this match, Antoine D Jack W and Blair K was the perfect choice. There were all three outstanding. Considering Antoine D as the best ever or not. we will see in coming three - four years. Word Cup is still missing yet.
disons que c'est le joueur le plus complet car il botte des deux pieds, c'est un très bon defenseur, un très bon gratteur, un très bon attaquant, il est rapide, très "costaud" sur ses appuis, il a un bon coup d'oeil, il passe le ballon après contact, il fait facilement des passes au pied et je l'ai vu même tirer au but au pied parfaitement en tant que buteur : enfin il rend un match de rugby intéressant à regarder car on sait qu'il est capable de tous les exploits et bien sûr, chacun reconnaît qu'il est humble. C'est donc un des meilleurs joueurs que le rugby ait connu !
le rugby est un sport collectif de guerriers antoine dupont transforme ce sport en art , c'est une autre niveau de perception de sensibilité d intelligence de determination et toujours ce calme olympien !!!
A part les post d'Avants, il est capable de jouer à tous les postes et brillamment. Coup de pied ambidextre de folie, défenseur acharné, distributeur de ballons précis, affuté et intelligent, animateur de jeu incroyable (dynamiteur devrait on dire), rapide en course et capable même de fulgurance depuis qui joue au 7, en soutien sur tous les rucks et zones de jeu, gratteur de fou...le joueur plus que complet, une équipe à lui tout seul
Leinster were the better team but Du pont was worth 3 players yesterday. Savage. Rucking for Turnovers even. Incredible. I’m Irish and from Leinster but just watching The Messi of Rugby. Delightful.
Leinster had many opportunities to score and did not conclude them. They have the same issue as Ireland when they play at the highest level : they lack the killer instinct. Also they have become too prédictible. As for the quarter final against the AB. After the red card i was sure Leinster would win. From this moment they committed all the possible mistakes. From my point of view Leinster has more lost the game than Toulouse won it. The arrival of Barrett will improve the Leinster game and bring some craziness it lacks today. I’m sure thé next cup is for Leinster 😉
He's definitely the greatest, there can be no question about it. No player has ever been consistently that good for every game and be able to be so versatile. Winning a WC means nothing as that's a team effort and Christiano Ronaldo is regarded as the greatest by many but never even made it to a SF with Portugal, never mind winning a final, and Pele and Maradona have never won a Copa America but are still regarded as the greatest. This guy is like Messi, he's from another planet, but it's also really humble like Messi too.
"No player has ever been consistently that good for every game"? How long have you been watching rugby, since 2022? Daniel Carter was the backline general and had something like a 90% win rate against the biggest and best teams in the world. And this is me just naming ONE. We can mention guys like Richie McCaw, Eben Etzebeth, Frans Malherbe, Israel Dagg too. DuPont is fantastic but the diverse skillsets in the game makes this a lost cause of an argument from the getgo
French here, and Jack Willis was the best player for Toulouse at the final. Incredible player and doesn't understand English rules to not accept him on the national team because he is playing in a foreign country. He has been improving a lot since he came in the French league!
The whole idea of the greatest rugby player ever is a nonsense. Dupont is unquestionably one of the greatest number 9s ever. Richie McCaw was one of the greatest back rows ever. No argument. Rugby is a team game where different positions have radically distinct demands in terms of size and shape, strength and power, skill set, etc.
@MarioGarcia-bf6mf Hugo Porta was amazing though. His influence in those fames against the Boks were amazing. Some of the older generations speak very highly of him.
I'm from Argentina and if there's one player who deserves the "Greatest" title it's definitely Danie Gerber. He was simply untouchable. No player will ever achieve his greatness. He destroyed every team all by himself. He made the Argies look like school boys in the 80's. Simply impossible to stop.
@@benjamingrobbelaar9173 I'll agree with the fact that Danie Gerber was a legend and one of the best number 13 of all time, so was Doug Howlett, m'a'ononu, Jonah lomu... there's lots in that pedigreed stable, Percy Montgomery, etc
@morganwilliams49 you are probably a kid. Gerber scored tries against the All blacks at 40 years old. He was way ahead of his time. Best center of all time.
Most sites and lists have Mc Caw, Carter, and Lomu in their top 5. Many in the top three in different order. DuPont is at about no. 10 or 9 on most lists
I’m not being funny here, DuPont is a phenomenal player. But to call him one of the greatest is a bit much. If you compare him to players like Ritchie McCaw, Dan Carter, Siya Kolisi (RM and SK have won back to back WC’s) not to mention players like Cheslin Kolbe (also back to back WC winner) amongst a plethora of amazing players past and present. What about Faff de Klerk? The French really really should have at least got to the final of last years WC, but were drinking too much of their own koolade. It’s not that the WC is the absolute last word, but jeez-if I was a Saffa I would be laughing at this. And I’m English 🏴
Not to mention your boys too! Johnson, Wilko, Catt, Robinson. All in all I think people say these things because they find a certain player exciting. Even as a Bok fan, I couldn't believe Wilkinson, O'Driscoll and Williams. And hell, Carter, it was an honour to see him disembowel us the way he did. But if we're being honest, you guys won the 2003 World Cup due to a scary, scary front row. South Africa are world champions because of an equally scary, scary front row. So while I can enjoy DuPont, Carter and Wilko, I'll be writing down the names of Frans Malherbe, Phil Vickery, Andrew Sheridan and Steven Kitshoff down long before I even think to pick anyone from the backline.
@@randomlyfactual1943 i think that’s a very fair appraisal of what creates the platform for the backs. It’s the power and attrition by the forwards. And the Boks have had by far and away the best pack for the last 8-10 years. I often talk about vickery and Sheridan wistfully. We don’t seem to have the same depth anymore. I also really miss the professionalism and coolness of JW. As much as Farrell has been a cornerstone for England, he just hasn’t quite been consistent and he is too aggressive to the detriment of his teammates. If France had won this Wc we would absolutely have been talking about DuPont as one of the goats, but they didn’t. 🤷🏼♂️
@@Benboy1980 yeah man, Vickery was the bedrock and Sheridan was the destroyer. And without them, Wilko would not be Wilko. Sticking to that 2003 RWC, I lament having it not been NZ in the final against your boys. They were the one team I felt was a legit threat to you guys and due to that classic 15-13 win you had in NZ, they would have had a point to prove. Nevertheless, Australia fronted up really well, much better than I could have expected. Insofar Farrel goes, he is a great player goes but I think you've hit the nail on the head; he is maybe a bit too cocky and aggressive for his own good. Carter and Wilko, never got the idea that their heads maybe got too big. They just did their thing and decimated whatever opponent was unlucky enough to cross them. To this day, the Wilko/Carter argument is one that I cannot get enough of.
Qd je pense à l arbitrage contre les Sud af😤 Il auraitpu gagner la coupe du monde ,la champions cup,le brennus!! CRAZIE.... Bravo les britanniques, toujours égale à vous-même
@@franckschoch4502 juste incompétent, un rugby laxiste, qui permet une centaine de fautes dans un match. ce qui rend dingue c'est que la plupart des arbitrages 6 nations, top14 et coupe d'europe sont globalement de bonne facture (on omet les 2-3 décisions par ci par là critiquable, l'arbitrage fait partie du jeu et c'est accepté ainsi au rugby), on comprend pas trop où ils sont allés nous chercher un tel incompétent qui avait déjà eu des pbs dans une finale.
Best player of his generation yes but not ever. That’s an overreach lads. He is great but this is a different time. JPR Williams, Frik duPreez, Christian Cullen, Richie MacCAw, Danie Gerber, Serge Blanco etc we’re exceptional players of their generation.
@@OlivierLebo-n3hI'll do you one better, it's impossible to even compare people in the same position at the same time. If the All Blacks could pick DuPont, they would not pick him over Aaron Smith, because Aaron Smith does what the All Blacks require of a scrumhalf better than anyone else in the world. If the Springboks could pick DuPont, they would not pick him over Faf De Klerk, because Faf De Klerk does what the Springboks require of a scrumhalf better than anyone else in the world. DuPont is an absolute wizard on the field and he is a joy to watch. And probably on balance, the best scrumhalf in the world. But can you make an argument that sometimes you would rather want Faf or Aaron? Absolutely.
Before this final, you still had a lot of people thinking JGP was at the same level as DuPont. He’s been schooled during this game! But don’t get me wrong, he’s a excellent player! Not just an extraterrestrial one like DuPont.
Leinster lost this game cause not one player on the team could feel or know how they needed to play to win. multiple chances especially in the second half but also in the first to take the points instead looking for the corner. this was a proper knockout rugby match. only tries scored were with players carded. the saracens team of old would have won this match because they knew how to win in knockout rugby. everyone called them boring, but I'm sure Leinster would rather be called boring and have a 5th star.
People forget Bryan Habana he's literally the face of rugby. I can remember grown up in the early and late 2000s, every kid wanted to be as fast as habana and dive and score tries like him. Playing video games you wanted to play as springboks just because he was on it
@benjaminstephan2776 Habana literally has the most tries in rugby world cup history and also in test rugby. Man has done it all 1x Rugby World Cup, lion series, 3x Super Rugby Champion, Champions Cup and Top 14 with Toulouse, and many more. In fact, he's the best number 11 in rugby history, no debate
@@toulcaz31I agree with you insofar the winger position is a hard one to pick a best ever put of. The big challenge of the position is that you are literally out of the game for 80% of it. Bit in terms of impact on the game? Jonah Lomu; the guy that basically turned the game professional. What an impact he's had. But yeah of I was writing my team sheet down for my Dream XV I wouldn't be writing a winger or scrumhalf name down in my top 10-15 picks out of my matchday 23.
of course it is impossible to consider a winger the best rugby player ever. Even though i'm a big fan of both Habana and Kolbe...you can't compare them to the likes of Carter, McCaw or even even Wilkinson.... and honestly m, if a winger were to be the best ever, I strongly believe that Jonah Lomu was on a league of his own, far more influential than Habana in rugby history
so if Du Pont is the greatest player of all time the greatest player because of this match then what does that mean for PSDT is the greatest on how he single handily dominated NZ😐
They were great players, no doubt, in particular DC. But they had the advantage to play in a better national side than Dupont. In terms of actual individual impact on a game, and completeness of his game,Dupont is on a class of his own.
Mc Caw était toujours hors jeu mais jamais sifflé par les arbitres et Carter avait un jeu très sobre, efficace, mais pas très flamboyant…Lomu etait pour moi le meilleur neo zélandais de tous les temps…un cas unique dans son genre comme Dupont
Antoine Dupont is second to the Greatest, Gareth Edwards. No doubt he is great, probably the greatest since Edwards. But Edwards will always be the greatest player of all time.
If I recall correctly, France have already won a 7s tournament, I wanna say 2018 or 2019 (pre-covid) and they've already been beating Fiji (the current Olympic champions) consistently. I think the team to beat, in the coming Olympics is actually Argentina. They're on red hot form and I think they're one of the only teams who are at their best when they're confident, and they are super confident. One could bet on France doing very well because of home court advantage tho. Now I don't wanna sound like a hater, I'm definitely not, but this is sort of a Michael Jordan vs. Lebron James debate. We're clearly lauding a man who's doing the right things, in a way we've probably never seen before, consistently, but I don't know if we can necessarily call him the GOAT. Is he a great, brilliant, gifted rugby player? Absolutely. But to compare their overall rugby career, skill set, physical abilities, technicality, etc. and call someone the GOAT over someone else? Bro. If you wanna say that he's one of the most complete players. Definitely up there without a doubt. But the greatest? *Umph. It's a lengthy discussion, using sound parameters. I'm very prickly when it comes to placing someone as the GOAT over others. There must be NO doubt, and I currently doubt. He'd be the GOAT in my eyes if he were to lead France in winning the Olympic gold, RWC 2027 and 2031, World number one for one or two RWC cycles, another two WR Player of the Year awards and most caps for France. Then there'd be no doubt. I think comparatively, Jordan has those similar winning stats, in his sport, and most people still see him as the GOAT, over the longest serving and accomplished NBA player-Lebron James.
I’ve never seen someone as complete as Dupont. He can step, run like a winger, tackle and contests like a world class back rower, kicks perfectly with both feet, great passing, great offload and skillsets. The guy had the most turnover won (4 !!) and also managed to slot two unbelievable 50:22 against Leinster (best covering back three out there) in a final. Neither MacCaw nore Carter had such a complete skillset. If DuPont was an All Black alongside Carter and MacCaw, with the team they had, he would have been the real star of the team imo. He is a freak
Dan Carter 2004-2009 was an incredible player. I recall him stepping in to play halfback several times with a good box kick and snappy pass. Injuries mounted up on him in the later years but was still excellent. I'm not a fan of dismissing any player, DuPont, Carter, whoever. Personally, I think Sam whitelock is the greatest all black in living memory. Carter and McCaw couldn't do what they did if Whitelock wasn't winning all that lineout ball, hitting rucks, carting the ball, and had excellent ball handling skills. Eg dive passes from quick rucks etc
They do for sure, Mac Caw as AB captain and a brilliant back row, Carter best 10 ever, Dupont versatility and skill set is a bit wider IMHO. I guess we will have to wait and hope he is not wounded again. Carter was 3 times best world player, let's see if Dupont will equal him.
In the finals yes, and for how long? Carter did it for a decade straight, so did McCaw. That's some longevity there. Obviously PSDT is another animal entirely. It's like having a minivan on the field just running people over.
Cant believe anything that Jim Hamilton says, along with Rugby Pass. Wasn't Pieter-Steph du Toit the greatest rugby player ever after the World Cup? Dupont is far from the greatest ever. People jump up and down because he plays one good game and rightfully so, he was amazing. Doesn't make him the greatest ever. There are so many players ahead of him. Richie McCaw, Dan Carter, Bryan Habana, Jonah Lomu, Johnny Wilkinson and Jean de Villiers just to name a few.
What Bollocks 😂😂 McCaw AB captain with back to back WC’s D Carter - Highest point scorer in international rugby with 2 WC’s and numerous other titles. Not to mention our brothers in SA have so many talented players I would put well ahead of DuPont. When DuPont wins International accolades come back then..
He is certainly one of the best ever... But that is a bit unfair to historic players/times. I think he is the best of his generation. You can't really compare players from the 80's or 90's with today.
True. There's no fairness when the world cup can be buy by bribing the ref, the whole world saw that day that the French were the real winner, not those SA cheaters
For a decade and a half teams couldn't manage mccaw. Entire game plans were based around how to deal with him. Refs were accused of turning a blind eye because he was that good. Grabbed two world cup. Captioned the most successful rugby team of all time with the greatest winning percentage in the history of the game. All while playing as n openside flanker.
@jeanhauter7812 only to those thwt don't understand rugby. Ask his primary opponents of that era..theyre quite clear. He was done unfairly panlised. Hard pill to swallow for.many out there.
Yes great player but he has a habit to do to much. Not the first player to kick with both feet. Clubs wins are good, would cups are great, gold medals at Olympics are great. DC, Ritchie, Lomu, Johnny W the list could go on and on as there have been many greats from the game.
@@Paddythefattyhow is a team trophy relevant to know which player is the best? Have you seen the game? Do you often see 9’s contesting the balls in rucks? He did it 3 times yesterday. Plus one 50-22, plus the traditional role of 9, plus he is a reliable defender. I mean, you sound just like an idiot incapable to be objective. Yesterday game was really showing, you had probably one of the best 9 in the world, if not the best behind DuPont himself, facing a generational freak that does thing no other 9 can do. That’s how good he is.
@@ethanmakulit238 Dupont isnt that great. McCaw and Carter have resumes leagues ahead of Dupont. Duponts game suits the northern game to a T. Kick, milk a penalty. Thats all these two teams did for 80mins. Every single play wether its kicking the ball or running it is designed to milk a penalty. Just play rugby and score some tries you bunch of freaking girls. IMO Ardie Savea and Sevu Reece are the two best players in the world right now. Go watch a few full games and track what Sevu has been doing for the crusaders this season (he's the only reason they have any wins at all to be frank). The guy is a converted 10 and can do it all. He's leading the comp in tries at 12 and was near the top of jackals aswell. If you watch him during a game he's freakin EVERYWHERE. His off the ball play and everything else is ASTOUNDING!!! Dupont made a ton of mistakes in this game.
Dupont is amazing but Dan carter is the greatest. No player has ever had a performance like carter vs the lions in the 2005 tour 2nd test. Watch any carter performance from 2005 -2010 in his peak and he was like a man against boys vs brilliant springbok teams , a strong aus and not to mention the utter domination whenever he played NH sides.
Not reflective of how good a player is because you need an entire team of good players around plus incredible coaches plus great refering (hum) to win the World Cup... Maybe he will make a Messi and finally achieve it later just before retiring.
@@dabu8701first because he plays for France, you know, a country which have yet to win a RWC and where it's much much harder to win it than let's say playing for SA or NZ.
I don't know much about Rugby, but he is humble in addition to having the great skills..... As an American I would love to see him play our sport, but Wonder the position he would play... Us romantics always think about this player and that player in this and that sport, and I should just enjoy the genius he is at his actual sport 🤣
I don't like the argument about winning a WC. What if he played for a second tier's team unable to win one, why would it diminished his talent? It's a team sport, if it was Judo or Tennis i'd agree on the need to win titles. By the way i know a lot of more than average players who won a World Cup.
@@Grayson_Baker , yup. he needs a world cup at least. sometimes good players end up in not so good teams. (here's looking at sergio parisse.) du pont is definitely *not* "the GREATEST rugby player EVER". (he first needs to get past joost vdw and fourie dp, so there's that.) am i saying he's a bad player, of course not...but he's not "the GREATEST...EVER" either. maybe that will change one day. today is not that day.
The real scandal is that Jack Willis is barred from the XV of England because he plays in France :))) What does Borthwick want? Willis plays in the best club in Europe which is an hour and some from London by plane. This player has progressed sportily and flourishes fully in Toulouse. In 2 years, he is Champion of France and today Champion of Europe. But what more to wish for him? Otherwise to become a holder of the XV of the Rose... English friends, wake up! Shake Borthwick and the RFU! It would be really stupid to deprive the XV of the Rose of one of the best (the best?) 3rd row in the world, right? It’s a frog eater from Toulouse who tells you :))
Was Jonah Lomu on Time magazine. I was told he was who else has been on Time from rugby, oh I don't think anyone else from rugby has ever been on time, oh that is so sad. Oh no Argentina whooped France them in sevens.
@@MrWillt100 Ever hear of Clint Eastwood? Matt Damon? Morgan Freeman? Yes, I'm talking about Invictus. The day that a movie gets made about any player featuring those credits, then there is an argument.
congrats Toulouse another year wait to take the cup from the French and i was rooting for a URC team. did Leinster made a mistake cause it seems its going to be another year without silverware
A couple of things: - DuPont is certainly very very good. Elite level. One of the best ever to do it. - Greatest though, is a hard sell. Because now youre talking impact of the game, not just ability. People in that list would be men like Jonah Lomu, Francois Pienaar, Siya Kolisi. They are icons of the game, recognisable outside of the rugby bubble. The day when Antoine DuPont gets to have a Clint Eastwood film with Matt Damon playing him in the lead opposite Morgan Freeman, THAT is when you can make an argument for "the greatest". - An argument you could rather make is "best". But then, there are plenty of guys who did it at the highest levels. Lomu, Habana, Richie McCaw, Dan Carter, Os Du Randt, etc. - Rugby has a too diverse skillset to make this argument. Currently for me rugby's MVP is Frans Malherbe, and my number 2 is Vincent Koch. Why? Because they form the bedrock of the South African scrum, a weapon that has seen no proper counter in more than 4 years. I would pick both of them on my sheet long long I even think to mention DuPont. - In terms of backline play, DuPont has got a lot to do before his name can be mentioned alongside of Wilkinson and Carter. Carter especially was the general that commanded the most dominant rugby team ever, with a win rate of something like 90%. - Though still a hard argument to make, I can definitely see one can make the argument for both the greatest and best French player of all time. Stop with this GOAT nonsense.
never seen such a ridiculous argument about Matt Damon and Morgan Freeman 😂😂😂😂. The movie is about political context, it's not a rugby documentary mate
@@benjaminstephan2776 The simple fact is, more people know about Francois Pienaar and the 1995 Springboks than any other player and any other team. Hollywood has a much wider reach than rugby. For that reason, the magnitude of Pienaar's achievement is much more widely heralded than any rugby player before or since. Is it fair? Of course not. While Francois Pienaar was certainly a very good - or even great - loose forward, the truth is that I wouldn't pick him over Richie McCaw, I wouldn't pick him over Schalk Burger, I wouldn't pick him over Ardie Savea and I wouldn't pick him over Pieter Steph Du Toit. But they are not the ones being played in a Hollywood blockbuster.
Let's not get roped into this idiotic debate. He's best player of this era. He may be the best 9 of all time. It's very difficult to compare eras due to rule changes and the evolution of sports' science. Is MJ the GOAT? Well, Wilt Chamberlain might have something say about that. Is Messi the GOAT? He might not even be the best Argentin of all time.
Would be awesome to see him play a test series against the Boks... He has many Fourie Du Preez qualities but Fourie won the RWC in 2007... Can you be considered the greatest if you fail to achieve that in your home country?
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You've seen the level of Willis and Kinghorn since they've been at Toulouse, it's incredible how this club manages to improve its players!
C EST TOULOUSE...
LE JEU DE MAIN,ET DUSPONIBILITÉ ....
Willis was immense
Willis around 30 "plaquages" completed. Amazing ! I would like to see him stay in Toulouse even if it means not being eligible for the English national team.
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Vous avez grandement besoin de lui pour la rose
Prime Cheslin koble was a product of toulouse
And he kicks from the ruck with both feet.
I was behind the goal for some of those box kicks and to see them live was special. Keenan was under all sorts of pressure trying to cover. Delighted I got to see Dupont live
Que veux-tu dire...
Sentirais-je de la déception dans ton commentaire ?
I saw that
DuPont is total class - his defensive strengths just keeps getting better and better.
jim said it, gibson park is a top top 9,....but dupont is another level above him. best player in the world at the moment ,and we are lucky to see him.
As a frenchman i hope the level of Jack Willis change the mind in his country. He deserves to play for England
so much compliments from English men is really unique
Irish and Scottish man there
When it’s justified. Although I think he is one of the greatest players at the moment, there are other players that have won multiple world cups that I would choose first. France should have been at least in the final last year, but they failed. It was a terrible shame, I was very excited to see DuPont play (and I’m English), but to say he is the best player ever is a bit silly
@@3saokHamilton is English. Just played for Scotland as he couldn’t make the England team at the time. Admits it himself if you watch the pod.
Half Scottish, 1/4 Chinese 1/4 English. Sounds made up but is true!
@@3saok good point though Jim played for England U20
I agree, Antoine Dupont is the greatest player of all time, he has an absolutely considerable impact on the game, he is physical, he is clairvoyant, he is technically exceptional, this guy has no weaknesses he is brilliant in all areas, It’s a privilege to be able to see him play!
Sevu Reece and Ardie Savea are both better players right now. And Richie McCaw and Dan Carter are clearly the GOATS.
@@austingtir Dupont better
@@austingtir ....For pity's sake, Richie McCaw plays on the ground all the time, his talent consists of hiding his mistakes from the referee's eyes.... and he is not as versatile as Antoine Dupont.
On this match, Antoine D Jack W and Blair K was the perfect choice. There were all three outstanding. Considering Antoine D as the best ever or not. we will see in coming three - four years. Word Cup is still missing yet.
He can even make it out of a past the world cup quarters😂😂😂
Dupont is the best player..a true genius and a monster 🇨🇵💪❤️
Frenchman Antoine Dupont is Captain Fantastic...just Superior
disons que c'est le joueur le plus complet car il botte des deux pieds, c'est un très bon defenseur, un très bon gratteur, un très bon attaquant, il est rapide, très "costaud" sur ses appuis, il a un bon coup d'oeil, il passe le ballon après contact, il fait facilement des passes au pied et je l'ai vu même tirer au but au pied parfaitement en tant que buteur : enfin il rend un match de rugby intéressant à regarder car on sait qu'il est capable de tous les exploits et bien sûr, chacun reconnaît qu'il est humble. C'est donc un des meilleurs joueurs que le rugby ait connu !
le rugby est un sport collectif de guerriers antoine dupont transforme ce sport en art , c'est une autre niveau de perception de sensibilité d intelligence de determination et toujours ce calme olympien !!!
For those watching this video after Dupont's gold medal in the Olympics, I believe everything has been said.
Thank you for him !
Thank his parents for him !! 😉
A part les post d'Avants, il est capable de jouer à tous les postes et brillamment. Coup de pied ambidextre de folie, défenseur acharné, distributeur de ballons précis, affuté et intelligent, animateur de jeu incroyable (dynamiteur devrait on dire), rapide en course et capable même de fulgurance depuis qui joue au 7, en soutien sur tous les rucks et zones de jeu, gratteur de fou...le joueur plus que complet, une équipe à lui tout seul
là visiblement il a aussi joué 2 & 6-7 durant tout le match on dira qu'il ne peut pas jouer 4-5 c'est tout !
@@laurent8214 Oui, y'a juste un problème de taille et de poids qui l'empêchent de jouer pilier ou 2nde ligne
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@@laurent8214c'est mon avis et merci au 7 pour son travail dans les ruck.
Où il trouve des angles de jeu, des ouvertures incroyables !
Dupont was the difference between the 2 teams. What a player🤗
Willis sur ce match a été monstrueux aussi 🙂
Willis et Dupont sont réguliers au top niveau depuis qu'ils sont à Toulouse. Ça c'est extraordinaire, ils sont réguliers.
Just two guys having a chat about a great rugby game... Great TV!!!
100% Leinster should of took the early points
Same mistake as the worldcup
This is becoming a reoccurring theme in Irish rugby (white line fever) you keep the scoreboard ticking over and I'm Irish
Même avis !! Si le Leinster prend les points il est devant.
@@jocktamson4125 i think byrne isnt up to big game kicking, leinster need a 10 badly, and one is arriving next season from nz.
Leinster were the better team but Du pont was worth 3 players yesterday. Savage. Rucking for Turnovers even. Incredible. I’m Irish and from Leinster but just watching The Messi of Rugby. Delightful.
Not even close.
I really don’t see how Leinster were the better team?
Leinster had many opportunities to score and did not conclude them.
They have the same issue as Ireland when they play at the highest level : they lack the killer instinct. Also they have become too prédictible. As for the quarter final against the AB.
After the red card i was sure Leinster would win. From this moment they committed all the possible mistakes.
From my point of view Leinster has more lost the game than Toulouse won it.
The arrival of Barrett will improve the Leinster game and bring some craziness it lacks today.
I’m sure thé next cup is for Leinster 😉
Different gravy! Excellent.
He's definitely the greatest, there can be no question about it. No player has ever been consistently that good for every game and be able to be so versatile. Winning a WC means nothing as that's a team effort and Christiano Ronaldo is regarded as the greatest by many but never even made it to a SF with Portugal, never mind winning a final, and Pele and Maradona have never won a Copa America but are still regarded as the greatest.
This guy is like Messi, he's from another planet, but it's also really humble like Messi too.
Danie Gerber is the Maradona of rugby
"No player has ever been consistently that good for every game"? How long have you been watching rugby, since 2022? Daniel Carter was the backline general and had something like a 90% win rate against the biggest and best teams in the world. And this is me just naming ONE. We can mention guys like Richie McCaw, Eben Etzebeth, Frans Malherbe, Israel Dagg too.
DuPont is fantastic but the diverse skillsets in the game makes this a lost cause of an argument from the getgo
French here, and Jack Willis was the best player for Toulouse at the final. Incredible player and doesn't understand English rules to not accept him on the national team because he is playing in a foreign country. He has been improving a lot since he came in the French league!
Agreed. Jack Willis is an absolute beast. If England don't pick him, they are shooting themselves in the foot
Gerber is the greatest rugby player of all time. He single handedly destroyed the All blacks at 36 years old.
Facts, he paved the way for the modern center.
The whole idea of the greatest rugby player ever is a nonsense. Dupont is unquestionably one of the greatest number 9s ever. Richie McCaw was one of the greatest back rows ever. No argument. Rugby is a team game where different positions have radically distinct demands in terms of size and shape, strength and power, skill set, etc.
Bien d'accord avec vous !
He’s not even the best 9 ever.
@@jameswyatt4443who's the best 9 for you? Let us laugh...
100% right!
@@maxg.8039 Aaron Smith buddy.
Danie Gerber revolutionized the game and paved the way for the likes of O driscoll or Jaques Fourie. He's the best to ever do it.
Jaques Fourie? Mentioned in that company?
@@FR-je9bwJaques Fourie break British Lions hearts 😂
@@teddydavid1026nah mate, I'm a Argie no way. Gerber was untouchable.
@@teddydavid1026Hugo Porta got destroyed by Gerber
@MarioGarcia-bf6mf Hugo Porta was amazing though. His influence in those fames against the Boks were amazing. Some of the older generations speak very highly of him.
I'm from Argentina and if there's one player who deserves the "Greatest" title it's definitely Danie Gerber. He was simply untouchable. No player will ever achieve his greatness. He destroyed every team all by himself. He made the Argies look like school boys in the 80's. Simply impossible to stop.
off topic, hermano; off topic.
toulouse is phenomenal'what a club
The best player ever was Danie Gerber. I'm from Nzl btw. He was devastating and impossible to stop even at 36 years old.
Antoine Dupont is the master of rucks, he is the Best
Danie Gerber is the best ever.
@@benjamingrobbelaar9173 I'll agree with the fact that Danie Gerber was a legend and one of the best number 13 of all time, so was Doug Howlett, m'a'ononu, Jonah lomu... there's lots in that pedigreed stable, Percy Montgomery, etc
Danie Gerber destroyed every team he played in the 80's all by himself. GOAT 🐐
Jim is hysterical.😅
There's only 1, the doring from Despatch - DANIE GERBER
Danie Gerber is the God of rugby
not even the best centre of all time
@morganwilliams49 I'm a Kiwi, he was the greatest to ever play the game.
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@morganwilliams49 you are probably a kid. Gerber scored tries against the All blacks at 40 years old. He was way ahead of his time. Best center of all time.
Kids today will never know how great Danie Gerber was. He ran through entire teams all by himself. He would walk into any Springbok team today. Legend
Do you think he would want to play with a team that has so many suspicions of cheating on its back?
Personally I'm not sure.
The Springboks don't win their titles, they are given to them.
If you're going to use bots to promote your fav player, at least try to do it properly, pal. All your accounts were created at the same time loll
@@andremaube5069U are probably a pom from UK. Gerber is a GOD.
@andremaube5069 keep quiet 🤫 Gerber's legacy is bigger than the entire North hem combined
Ah Jim...how many "Greatest players in the world ever" can there be 😂😂😂😂...everyweek its somone different!!
Just one Dupont
Johna Lomu ?
Lomu - Dupont - McCaw - Carter - Wilkinson - O’Drisscoll. That’s my ranking
Gerber better than all of em combined
Most sites and lists have Mc Caw, Carter, and Lomu in their top 5. Many in the top three in different order. DuPont is at about no. 10 or 9 on most lists
Gerber is the greatest ever
Gerber ?
Vous me faites…gerber !
Thinking of French players like Thierry or Serge Blanco, these guys were in a league of they're own.
Je suis un français chauvin (pléonasme) donc la réponse est "Oui".
He is one of the greatest .
I’m not being funny here, DuPont is a phenomenal player. But to call him one of the greatest is a bit much. If you compare him to players like Ritchie McCaw, Dan Carter, Siya Kolisi (RM and SK have won back to back WC’s) not to mention players like Cheslin Kolbe (also back to back WC winner) amongst a plethora of amazing players past and present. What about Faff de Klerk? The French really really should have at least got to the final of last years WC, but were drinking too much of their own koolade. It’s not that the WC is the absolute last word, but jeez-if I was a Saffa I would be laughing at this. And I’m English 🏴
Not to mention your boys too! Johnson, Wilko, Catt, Robinson.
All in all I think people say these things because they find a certain player exciting. Even as a Bok fan, I couldn't believe Wilkinson, O'Driscoll and Williams. And hell, Carter, it was an honour to see him disembowel us the way he did.
But if we're being honest, you guys won the 2003 World Cup due to a scary, scary front row. South Africa are world champions because of an equally scary, scary front row.
So while I can enjoy DuPont, Carter and Wilko, I'll be writing down the names of Frans Malherbe, Phil Vickery, Andrew Sheridan and Steven Kitshoff down long before I even think to pick anyone from the backline.
@@randomlyfactual1943 i think that’s a very fair appraisal of what creates the platform for the backs. It’s the power and attrition by the forwards. And the Boks have had by far and away the best pack for the last 8-10 years. I often talk about vickery and Sheridan wistfully. We don’t seem to have the same depth anymore. I also really miss the professionalism and coolness of JW. As much as Farrell has been a cornerstone for England, he just hasn’t quite been consistent and he is too aggressive to the detriment of his teammates. If France had won this Wc we would absolutely have been talking about DuPont as one of the goats, but they didn’t. 🤷🏼♂️
@@Benboy1980 yeah man, Vickery was the bedrock and Sheridan was the destroyer. And without them, Wilko would not be Wilko.
Sticking to that 2003 RWC, I lament having it not been NZ in the final against your boys. They were the one team I felt was a legit threat to you guys and due to that classic 15-13 win you had in NZ, they would have had a point to prove. Nevertheless, Australia fronted up really well, much better than I could have expected.
Insofar Farrel goes, he is a great player goes but I think you've hit the nail on the head; he is maybe a bit too cocky and aggressive for his own good. Carter and Wilko, never got the idea that their heads maybe got too big. They just did their thing and decimated whatever opponent was unlucky enough to cross them.
To this day, the Wilko/Carter argument is one that I cannot get enough of.
Qd je pense à l arbitrage contre les Sud af😤
Il auraitpu gagner la coupe du monde ,la champions cup,le brennus!!
CRAZIE....
Bravo les britanniques, toujours égale à vous-même
😉
A cause de Ben O Kieffe, l'incompétent ...
@@huli8557 pas incompétent....
Corrompu oui
@@franckschoch4502 juste incompétent, un rugby laxiste, qui permet une centaine de fautes dans un match. ce qui rend dingue c'est que la plupart des arbitrages 6 nations, top14 et coupe d'europe sont globalement de bonne facture (on omet les 2-3 décisions par ci par là critiquable, l'arbitrage fait partie du jeu et c'est accepté ainsi au rugby), on comprend pas trop où ils sont allés nous chercher un tel incompétent qui avait déjà eu des pbs dans une finale.
Et la palme du commentaire aigri le plus con de la journee est attribue a... (roulement de tambour)... Franckschoch!
The greatest of all time is Danie Gerber
Sorry but nope, Dupont is the best player in history of rugby
@@amaury784 🤣 good joke
@@amaury784😂
Who?
@@gchelemDupond is nowhere near the Great Danie Gerber
Respect
Best player of his generation yes but not ever. That’s an overreach lads. He is great but this is a different time. JPR Williams, Frik duPreez, Christian Cullen, Richie MacCAw, Danie Gerber, Serge Blanco etc we’re exceptional players of their generation.
Yes, it's hard to compare generations.
@@OlivierLebo-n3hI'll do you one better, it's impossible to even compare people in the same position at the same time.
If the All Blacks could pick DuPont, they would not pick him over Aaron Smith, because Aaron Smith does what the All Blacks require of a scrumhalf better than anyone else in the world.
If the Springboks could pick DuPont, they would not pick him over Faf De Klerk, because Faf De Klerk does what the Springboks require of a scrumhalf better than anyone else in the world.
DuPont is an absolute wizard on the field and he is a joy to watch. And probably on balance, the best scrumhalf in the world. But can you make an argument that sometimes you would rather want Faf or Aaron? Absolutely.
Gerber made the other players look like school kids, that's how good he was. Best Springbok ever.
Agree Gerber was levels above the rest
@@teddydavid1026 hypocritical politics if you consider which other nations were allowed to compete despite the atrocities of those governments.
DG could have would have but wasnt..duPoint is ..Capetown
@@atoms-to-atomsDG and Rassie hail from the same dorp. And I mean that dorp(village) is still tiny
Gerber isn't even in the top 10 in his own position lol
Before this final, you still had a lot of people thinking JGP was at the same level as DuPont. He’s been schooled during this game! But don’t get me wrong, he’s a excellent player! Not just an extraterrestrial one like DuPont.
Jomu lomu, Carter and richie McCaw from a springbok none of the existing players have surpass them yet including Dupont
Danie Gerber is the greatest of all time. I'm from Nzl
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Gerber would destroy any team today. He made opposition defense look like school boy rugby.
@@user-qj6to4yj3s I dont even think he is better then joost.
@@Heinrich.Fourie What? Gerber is a God in South Africa
Danie Gerber is the GOAT
True, most explosive player I've ever seen.
In your shity country, may be.
Danie Gerber is the Maradona of rugby
Who the fuck even is that. Old school players can't be goat level, game was too amateur
@@toma411 u don't know Gerber? 😂 Then I'd rather keep quiet. 🤫
@@toma411Gerber scored tries against the All blacks at 40 years old. He's the goat
@@Pepgang he was 35 and he LOST, where does this narrative come from
One of his worst game but still a 10/10 ! Yeah, definitely the best player.
In the 80's there was Diego Maradona and Danie Gerber.
😂😂😂
@@fabricevaudron2425 Why u laugh? Gerber was unstoppable.
Danie Gerber is the greatest of all time
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U don't know him 😂 embarrassing . If you don't know Gerber you can't call yourself a rugby fan.
@@nico-qd9jzGreatest rugby player of all time
@@nico-qd9jzNetball fan spotted
@@NicoSanchez-bz7he my poor friend, I've seen Danie play, but can you really compare a player from the 80s to a player from the 2020s?
Danie Gerber plays golf i guess
You can't possibly think that a player from the non-professional era is the best player of all time
@@davidleonivisonhe would walk into any team today mate. Simply the best to ever do it. Without him O dricoll and Nonu won't exist.
@@MirindaMnambi so he's Their father?
@@NieRonin yes
@@davidleonivison Agree - not sure why when everyone picks their greatest XV, they always pick non-professional era guys.
Leinster lost this game cause not one player on the team could feel or know how they needed to play to win. multiple chances especially in the second half but also in the first to take the points instead looking for the corner. this was a proper knockout rugby match. only tries scored were with players carded. the saracens team of old would have won this match because they knew how to win in knockout rugby. everyone called them boring, but I'm sure Leinster would rather be called boring and have a 5th star.
People forget Bryan Habana he's literally the face of rugby. I can remember grown up in the early and late 2000s, every kid wanted to be as fast as habana and dive and score tries like him. Playing video games you wanted to play as springboks just because he was on it
Tough to consider a winger among best players ever. I would not put any in my top 10 despite Habana or Kolbe greatness simply because of the position.
Running faster than everybody doen't make you even close to being the rugby GOAT i'm afraid
@benjaminstephan2776 Habana literally has the most tries in rugby world cup history and also in test rugby. Man has done it all 1x Rugby World Cup, lion series, 3x Super Rugby Champion, Champions Cup and Top 14 with Toulouse, and many more. In fact, he's the best number 11 in rugby history, no debate
@@toulcaz31I agree with you insofar the winger position is a hard one to pick a best ever put of. The big challenge of the position is that you are literally out of the game for 80% of it.
Bit in terms of impact on the game? Jonah Lomu; the guy that basically turned the game professional. What an impact he's had.
But yeah of I was writing my team sheet down for my Dream XV I wouldn't be writing a winger or scrumhalf name down in my top 10-15 picks out of my matchday 23.
of course it is impossible to consider a winger the best rugby player ever. Even though i'm a big fan of both Habana and Kolbe...you can't compare them to the likes of Carter, McCaw or even even Wilkinson.... and honestly m, if a winger were to be the best ever, I strongly believe that Jonah Lomu was on a league of his own, far more influential than Habana in rugby history
"Antoine Dupont is the GREATEST rugby player EVER"
oh please 🙄
Best ever is a stretch!!! Top ten...possibly.
on current lists he is about No.9
@@kelbatt7729 hee hee hee hee hee my precious hee hee hee
@@kelbatt7729 Dupont is the most complete and greatest player of all time
so if Du Pont is the greatest player of all time the greatest player because of this match then what does that mean for PSDT is the greatest on how he single handily dominated NZ😐
Throwing the GOAT around very loosely up North like always. Could be one day but the disrespect to Dan Carter and Richie McCaw.
They were great players, no doubt, in particular DC. But they had the advantage to play in a better national side than Dupont. In terms of actual individual impact on a game, and completeness of his game,Dupont is on a class of his own.
@@johnnyguitar6697 if your talking about individual impact then you gotta go with Jonah Lomu, rugby first superstar.
Mc Caw était toujours hors jeu mais jamais sifflé par les arbitres et Carter avait un jeu très sobre, efficace, mais pas très flamboyant…Lomu etait pour moi le meilleur neo zélandais de tous les temps…un cas unique dans son genre comme Dupont
Lmao GOAT and mccaw in the same sentence
Danie Gerber is better than all those combined
Antoine Dupont is second to the Greatest, Gareth Edwards. No doubt he is great, probably the greatest since Edwards. But Edwards will always be the greatest player of all time.
If I recall correctly, France have already won a 7s tournament, I wanna say 2018 or 2019 (pre-covid) and they've already been beating Fiji (the current Olympic champions) consistently. I think the team to beat, in the coming Olympics is actually Argentina. They're on red hot form and I think they're one of the only teams who are at their best when they're confident, and they are super confident. One could bet on France doing very well because of home court advantage tho. Now I don't wanna sound like a hater, I'm definitely not, but this is sort of a Michael Jordan vs. Lebron James debate. We're clearly lauding a man who's doing the right things, in a way we've probably never seen before, consistently, but I don't know if we can necessarily call him the GOAT. Is he a great, brilliant, gifted rugby player? Absolutely. But to compare their overall rugby career, skill set, physical abilities, technicality, etc. and call someone the GOAT over someone else? Bro. If you wanna say that he's one of the most complete players. Definitely up there without a doubt. But the greatest? *Umph. It's a lengthy discussion, using sound parameters. I'm very prickly when it comes to placing someone as the GOAT over others. There must be NO doubt, and I currently doubt. He'd be the GOAT in my eyes if he were to lead France in winning the Olympic gold, RWC 2027 and 2031, World number one for one or two RWC cycles, another two WR Player of the Year awards and most caps for France. Then there'd be no doubt. I think comparatively, Jordan has those similar winning stats, in his sport, and most people still see him as the GOAT, over the longest serving and accomplished NBA player-Lebron James.
Jonah Lomu is the GOAT
Moi je retiens le troisième ligne toulousain anglais ❤️
Willis. Incredible.
No
Moi aussi !! Est ce le même joueur que j'ai vu lors de Angleterre-France 2023?? Non !!
England should allow him in the national team. Willis plays that well nearly every sunday in the top 14
Does dan carter and richie mccaw not exist anymore
Carter was absolutely outstanding. McCaw was a cheat
A bunch of has beens mate? Wake up rugby has moved on.😂😂😂😂😂
I’ve never seen someone as complete as Dupont. He can step, run like a winger, tackle and contests like a world class back rower, kicks perfectly with both feet, great passing, great offload and skillsets. The guy had the most turnover won (4 !!) and also managed to slot two unbelievable 50:22 against Leinster (best covering back three out there) in a final. Neither MacCaw nore Carter had such a complete skillset. If DuPont was an All Black alongside Carter and MacCaw, with the team they had, he would have been the real star of the team imo. He is a freak
Dan Carter 2004-2009 was an incredible player. I recall him stepping in to play halfback several times with a good box kick and snappy pass. Injuries mounted up on him in the later years but was still excellent. I'm not a fan of dismissing any player, DuPont, Carter, whoever. Personally, I think Sam whitelock is the greatest all black in living memory. Carter and McCaw couldn't do what they did if Whitelock wasn't winning all that lineout ball, hitting rucks, carting the ball, and had excellent ball handling skills. Eg dive passes from quick rucks etc
They do for sure, Mac Caw as AB captain and a brilliant back row, Carter best 10 ever, Dupont versatility and skill set is a bit wider IMHO. I guess we will have to wait and hope he is not wounded again. Carter was 3 times best world player, let's see if Dupont will equal him.
By far Wilkinson is the best player of last 20 years and im french. The day Dupont will make France winning the world cup he will be in the convo.
I’ve said it umpteen times. Ross Byrne is not at a high enough standard to be either Leinster or Irelands 1st choice kicker.
Greatest NH player of all time yes.
Wilkinson.
Nuff said.
Dupont is the most complete and greatest player of all time
All very well influencing club finals, McCaw, Carter, du Toit etc. did it on the biggest stage.
In the finals yes, and for how long? Carter did it for a decade straight, so did McCaw. That's some longevity there.
Obviously PSDT is another animal entirely. It's like having a minivan on the field just running people over.
Cant believe anything that Jim Hamilton says, along with Rugby Pass. Wasn't Pieter-Steph du Toit the greatest rugby player ever after the World Cup?
Dupont is far from the greatest ever. People jump up and down because he plays one good game and rightfully so, he was amazing. Doesn't make him the greatest ever. There are so many players ahead of him.
Richie McCaw, Dan Carter, Bryan Habana, Jonah Lomu, Johnny Wilkinson and Jean de Villiers just to name a few.
Is he the best player today...yes..is he the greatest ever lol??..I dunno bout that
you right, he is only 27, so we'll see in 5/6 years
What Bollocks 😂😂
McCaw AB captain with back to back WC’s
D Carter - Highest point scorer in international rugby with 2 WC’s and numerous other titles.
Not to mention our brothers in SA have so many talented players I would put well ahead of DuPont.
When DuPont wins International accolades come back then..
He is certainly one of the best ever... But that is a bit unfair to historic players/times. I think he is the best of his generation. You can't really compare players from the 80's or 90's with today.
I agree.
What about fourie de preez. Fourie was dupont before dupont.
Without Ben O'Keeffe, he would already have a WC
Without America you would be speaking German now.
Dry your eyes...
@@at7512learn rugby rules
@@ChristopherRensburg completely off topic but ok stay whining
True. There's no fairness when the world cup can be buy by bribing the ref, the whole world saw that day that the French were the real winner, not those SA cheaters
For a decade and a half teams couldn't manage mccaw. Entire game plans were based around how to deal with him. Refs were accused of turning a blind eye because he was that good. Grabbed two world cup. Captioned the most successful rugby team of all time with the greatest winning percentage in the history of the game. All while playing as n openside flanker.
a god in NZ, a cheater elsewhee
@jeanhauter7812 only to those thwt don't understand rugby. Ask his primary opponents of that era..theyre quite clear. He was done unfairly panlised. Hard pill to swallow for.many out there.
@@jeanhauter7812 when you cant beat someone -call him a cheater.
@@kelbatt7729 Serial cheater😉
Merci
Yes great player but he has a habit to do to much. Not the first player to kick with both feet. Clubs wins are good, would cups are great, gold medals at Olympics are great. DC, Ritchie, Lomu, Johnny W the list could go on and on as there have been many greats from the game.
Yeah he’s obviously an all time great, but can’t be considered the GOAT if he hasn’t won’t a World Cup. Dan Carter or Richie McCaw
Dupont is the most complete and greatest player of all time
Who is the most decorated rugby player of all time, maybe its time we settle this one
Danie Gerber
Gerber for sure. Best Springbok ever. Best center ever. He paved the way for the modern center.
Okay. Let’s pump the brakes.
has not even won a world cup yet and he said hes the Goat. This guy is on crack
@@Paddythefattypeople said messi was the goat and he didnt have a WC?
@@Paddythefatty Messi was the GOAT of football for 99% of his career without a single world cup.
@@Paddythefattyhow is a team trophy relevant to know which player is the best?
Have you seen the game? Do you often see 9’s contesting the balls in rucks? He did it 3 times yesterday. Plus one 50-22, plus the traditional role of 9, plus he is a reliable defender. I mean, you sound just like an idiot incapable to be objective.
Yesterday game was really showing, you had probably one of the best 9 in the world, if not the best behind DuPont himself, facing a generational freak that does thing no other 9 can do. That’s how good he is.
@@ethanmakulit238 Dupont isnt that great. McCaw and Carter have resumes leagues ahead of Dupont. Duponts game suits the northern game to a T. Kick, milk a penalty. Thats all these two teams did for 80mins. Every single play wether its kicking the ball or running it is designed to milk a penalty. Just play rugby and score some tries you bunch of freaking girls. IMO Ardie Savea and Sevu Reece are the two best players in the world right now. Go watch a few full games and track what Sevu has been doing for the crusaders this season (he's the only reason they have any wins at all to be frank). The guy is a converted 10 and can do it all. He's leading the comp in tries at 12 and was near the top of jackals aswell. If you watch him during a game he's freakin EVERYWHERE. His off the ball play and everything else is ASTOUNDING!!! Dupont made a ton of mistakes in this game.
Dan Carter by miles
Dupont is amazing but Dan carter is the greatest. No player has ever had a performance like carter vs the lions in the 2005 tour 2nd test.
Watch any carter performance from 2005 -2010 in his peak and he was like a man against boys vs brilliant springbok teams , a strong aus and not to mention the utter domination whenever he played NH sides.
He's awesome, but to get into the 🐐 chat you gotta win a few world cups.
It will never happen, he is playing for France and referees are on a mission to prevent this. Remember 1995, 2011 and last year.
Saffa ? 😂😂😂
@@renoranes749 today saffa bien, merci.
Not reflective of how good a player is because you need an entire team of good players around plus incredible coaches plus great refering (hum) to win the World Cup... Maybe he will make a Messi and finally achieve it later just before retiring.
@ericsicard910 The day the french stop making excuses for why they lose, they might actually devise a strategy to win.
Stop. Zidane is simply the best RUGBY player ever. Period.
Dan Carter is no.1.
Actually did it at World Cup too!!!
Sorry but Dupont is a level above carter in terms of effects he has on games especially in this day and age where games are much tougher.
Gerber is the Maradona of rugby.
Danie Gerber better than both
@@MiniMatthew and he hasn’t done it in World Cup because???
@@dabu8701first because he plays for France, you know, a country which have yet to win a RWC and where it's much much harder to win it than let's say playing for SA or NZ.
You look at the players who defined the professional era, and you come and tell us that Du Pont is the GOAT? Please do me a favour.
Dupont is the most complete and greatest player of all time
I don't know much about Rugby, but he is humble in addition to having the great skills..... As an American I would love to see him play our sport, but Wonder the position he would play... Us romantics always think about this player and that player in this and that sport, and I should just enjoy the genius he is at his actual sport 🤣
He has to win a World Cup!
we speak about a player, not a team!
@@jeanhauter7812 doesn't matter. How can he be considered the world's greatest when he hasn't won a WC.
I don't like the argument about winning a WC. What if he played for a second tier's team unable to win one, why would it diminished his talent? It's a team sport, if it was Judo or Tennis i'd agree on the need to win titles. By the way i know a lot of more than average players who won a World Cup.
@@Grayson_Baker So Garteh Edwards cannot be considered the best of all times because he hasn't won a world cup, right?
@@Grayson_Baker , yup. he needs a world cup at least. sometimes good players end up in not so good teams. (here's looking at sergio parisse.) du pont is definitely *not* "the GREATEST rugby player EVER".
(he first needs to get past joost vdw and fourie dp, so there's that.) am i saying he's a bad player, of course not...but he's not "the GREATEST...EVER" either. maybe that will change one day. today is not that day.
I swear, next he has a go as a prop at the scrum!😅 See what he comes up with.
Probably just as good, he's gonna do tour de france too and play tennis next year
Dan Carter hands down, not really a discussion to be had
😂😂
Danie Gerber is the Maradona of rugby
The real scandal is that Jack Willis is barred from the XV of England because he plays in France :)))
What does Borthwick want? Willis plays in the best club in Europe which is an hour and some from London by plane.
This player has progressed sportily and flourishes fully in Toulouse. In 2 years, he is Champion of France and today Champion of Europe. But what more to wish for him? Otherwise to become a holder of the XV of the Rose...
English friends, wake up! Shake Borthwick and the RFU! It would be really stupid to deprive the XV of the Rose of one of the best (the best?) 3rd row in the world, right?
It’s a frog eater from Toulouse who tells you :))
The most ignorance of if « he concentrated on 15s ». 7s has done nothing but improve his game. DuPont has said so himself
He is amazing! All those world cup trophies 🏆🎉
He's the best Northern Hemisphere player.. but still no real gold
Champions Cup final was far higher in terms of level and intensity than previous RWC Final
Was Jonah Lomu on Time magazine. I was told he was who else has been on Time from rugby, oh I don't think anyone else from rugby has ever been on time, oh that is so sad. Oh no Argentina whooped France them in sevens.
Forget time magazine, go Hollywood blockbusters.
How many films about rugby are there and what was it about?
@@randomlyfactual1943 Well you tell me cause I've made my point and ain't worried about your point.
@@MrWillt100 Ever hear of Clint Eastwood? Matt Damon? Morgan Freeman?
Yes, I'm talking about Invictus.
The day that a movie gets made about any player featuring those credits, then there is an argument.
congrats Toulouse another year wait to take the cup from the French and i was rooting for a URC team. did Leinster made a mistake cause it seems its going to be another year without silverware
Shouldn’t he have won worlds best player more than once so far …and not even recently..good not greatest.. so far
A couple of things:
- DuPont is certainly very very good. Elite level. One of the best ever to do it.
- Greatest though, is a hard sell. Because now youre talking impact of the game, not just ability. People in that list would be men like Jonah Lomu, Francois Pienaar, Siya Kolisi. They are icons of the game, recognisable outside of the rugby bubble. The day when Antoine DuPont gets to have a Clint Eastwood film with Matt Damon playing him in the lead opposite Morgan Freeman, THAT is when you can make an argument for "the greatest".
- An argument you could rather make is "best". But then, there are plenty of guys who did it at the highest levels. Lomu, Habana, Richie McCaw, Dan Carter, Os Du Randt, etc.
- Rugby has a too diverse skillset to make this argument. Currently for me rugby's MVP is Frans Malherbe, and my number 2 is Vincent Koch. Why? Because they form the bedrock of the South African scrum, a weapon that has seen no proper counter in more than 4 years. I would pick both of them on my sheet long long I even think to mention DuPont.
- In terms of backline play, DuPont has got a lot to do before his name can be mentioned alongside of Wilkinson and Carter. Carter especially was the general that commanded the most dominant rugby team ever, with a win rate of something like 90%.
- Though still a hard argument to make, I can definitely see one can make the argument for both the greatest and best French player of all time.
Stop with this GOAT nonsense.
never seen such a ridiculous argument about Matt Damon and Morgan Freeman 😂😂😂😂. The movie is about political context, it's not a rugby documentary mate
but I agree with you that GOAT debate can only apply to individual sports
@@benjaminstephan2776 The simple fact is, more people know about Francois Pienaar and the 1995 Springboks than any other player and any other team. Hollywood has a much wider reach than rugby. For that reason, the magnitude of Pienaar's achievement is much more widely heralded than any rugby player before or since.
Is it fair? Of course not. While Francois Pienaar was certainly a very good - or even great - loose forward, the truth is that I wouldn't pick him over Richie McCaw, I wouldn't pick him over Schalk Burger, I wouldn't pick him over Ardie Savea and I wouldn't pick him over Pieter Steph Du Toit. But they are not the ones being played in a Hollywood blockbuster.
Let's not get roped into this idiotic debate.
He's best player of this era. He may be the best 9 of all time. It's very difficult to compare eras due to rule changes and the evolution of sports' science.
Is MJ the GOAT? Well, Wilt Chamberlain might have something say about that.
Is Messi the GOAT? He might not even be the best Argentin of all time.
He may be on track to be greater than McCaw but he's not there, yet.
Would be awesome to see him play a test series against the Boks... He has many Fourie Du Preez qualities but Fourie won the RWC in 2007... Can you be considered the greatest if you fail to achieve that in your home country?
Fourie Du Preez and Faf also didn't win world cups in their home country 💀