Do England rugby have to pick Jack Willis after staggering performance against Leinster
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- Опубликовано: 25 май 2024
- Jim Hamilton and Bernard Jackman react to Jack Willis' incredible performance in the 2024 Investec European Champions Cup Final at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium.
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These 2 are a good combo!
I was at the game and I had Willis as MOM, absolutely brilliant, Kinghorn wasn't far behind.
DuPont was unbelievable, so I have to disagree . Willis though is a seriously impressive player .
I was at the game too. I had Dupont as MOTM with a ridiculous performance and almost single handedly won the game for Toulouse with his try saving penalties and everything else he brought to the game. I would say Willis and Kinghorn were just behind him. Both incredible players though
@@shortydode2369Whay try are you talking about?
It was clearly a teamwork. Willis, Dupont, Kinghorn, Ramos, Lebel, Chocobares, Cros, Roumat....
@@puccaland the one where Kinghorn made the tackle on Sheehan on the break and Dupont got over the ball to win the penalty 5m from the line.
When Chabal played for the sharks and for national team and great for us Willis is outstanding and these two years for the ST have made him even better it’s ridiculous he can’t play for England
Jackman is class
Willis smashed the Leinster back row all day. Serious forward.
Dupont was immense this saturday, but i will never forget Willis legs of steel in the rucks. Fact guys like Kinghorn, Willis and Chocobares are blooming in Toulouse total-rugby gameplan, there is no mystery... But the RFU cant really promote French rugby in a positive way isnt it? 😂
Don’t worry guys, Jack Willis will play for the national team… only it will be in blue ;) 🇫🇷
Unfortunately he arrived in the top 14 quite late and he needs more years to be eligible to play for France. Willemse, Atonio and Meafou arrived at an early age and played all their pro high level career in the top 14. And there is big competition with Ollivon, Cros, Boudehent, Jelonch, Macalou. All those players already have history with the 15 de France and are well integrated in the group and know Galthié's method, even the new recruit Boudehent.
Does anyone else find it funny that Toulouse has half of the 6ns starting fullbacks, doesn't seem like the best use of their budget but it seems to be working I guess.
Yeah credit to Capuozzo that he remains in consistently good form for Italy given he gets pretty limited game time at club level. Toulouse seem to manage their roster better than any other club.
It’s funnier than that - they have half the starting fullbacks for the top 8 ranked rugby nations - Mallia is starting FB for Argentina too…
They do all get a reasonable amount of play given just how much Toulouse rotates their squad though: Kinghorn as #1 FB and late game winger, Ramos as the late game FB sub and B team 10, Capuozzo as the B (and C) team 15 and occasional winger, and Mallia as core winger, super sub across the back and backup 15 during the 6N.
Capuozzo probably suffers the most from not getting enough play: he could easily be first pick 15 for another Top 14 team. But he always seems to love Toulouse, so maybe he’s happy enough.
Incompréhensible que Willis ne puisse pas jouer pour l Angleterre...
I agree, the RFU have silly rules, especially as English clubs really cannot compete with money.
@@steve-vc3wl They should have like 4 slots for foreign based players to start with, see how that goes.
He’s been poor England though.
@@BertFlashmanwhen?
@@jmurphy9657 In his 14 caps. Wasn’t good in the 2023 six nations and WC when he played. Curry was a noticeable upgrade when he came back in.
England are waiting for the South African players that will be available for England acrap rule
like who..... what unpicked saffa gets into the England 15? (Maybe one/two in Green and BJVR, and thats a big if with Furbank playing with 80% of the current backline and Steward the best high ball full back in the game, and 4/5 Centre coming through as it stands)
Don't be Silly and buy into a couple of channels who are posting this rubbish so they can get views.
we're discussing a back row here, and if England can afford to be stupid and not pick a player its in that position were they have loads of depth.
Doubt they will. Rule of thumb seems to be England not making the right decision until every single alternative has been exhausted. If Green or BJVR could add value to England, odds are they get overlooked and end up coming home. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking 😄
@@DanR-1994 someone line benhard janse van rensburg, ackerman ,green and vermulen at exetef chiefs
What are you talking about.
@@gunner4life568 im a huge fan of Ackerman, and Vermulen is an okay prem player.
They're competing with CCS, Martin, Curry, Underhill.....
so my point is why are we discussing them when they are levels below the players mentioned above
If not now then never!! man is a beast...
Is there any chance that we (France) could poach Willis ? :D
It would be just to make fun of our fellow english rivals because we're already stacked fo a long time in the back row
Good point, he can play for France in a years time . ( well England need to change their rules )
A player can only change the country they wish to represent after a 3 year stand down period, and on grounds of ancestry (parent or grandparent). Jack Willis is capped for England so unless he has a French grandparent he can't switch.
"The game can be played in many different ways" Sage advice that the RFU should listen to. This was an amazing game, stop changing the laws each season.
Players have to lead the way.
Negotiate a contract that gives England access to them if picked.
Never going to change the system if they can't join up with training squads and have to play during fallow weeks.
I don’t think that actually necessary. Scotland and Italy don’t have that kind of arrangement - eg. Kinghorn and Capuozzo both were playing for Toulouse during the 6N rest weeks, and didn’t join training squads until the week of the games. Maybe not ideal, but it’s perfectly workable if the player is good enough.
Willis joué au top 14. Meilleur championnat de monde
Definitely
I agree
Yes!
There’s plenty enough justification for a special exemption for Willis, even if they want to keep their (frankly a bit silly) rule - he didn’t move to France for money, he moved because his English club went bust.
The one thing Willis won’t do is come back to England purely to get a place in the England squad - we know how that sort of move has backfired in the past. He’s at the best club in the world, playing great rugby, winning trophies - that’s a great life.
Wanna remind everyone bar mistakes in the first half from both teams, the English clubs in the semi finals were that close to beating both these teams on a much lower budget and with smaller squads. Talent is in England and should remain
I take your broader point about England having plenty of talent playing domestically but Quins didn't really challenge Toulouse in the semi.
@@MLF-kq8utif u rewatch the overthrown lineoit and the gift from Cunningham south cost them when they pushed back late in the game. Obviously Toulouse still could have won but without those mistakes Quins would have lead and had them rattled
Did any of those English clubs get strengthened by some of the other clubs going into receivership.
Yes.
Are Toulouse really the best club team ever? It seems to be dismissing a lot of other great sides that have come before…?
Willis HAS to be picked. Borthwick is a “yes-man” to the Blazers, thinking solely about his own financial package.
Willis is arguably THE form back-row in the world just now.
We could have Lawes-Willis-Earl playing 6,7,8 for England - and arguably the best back-row in the world.
Because of Borthwick, only Earl is even available to us.
It’s borthwicks fault lawes is retiring? Despite the blazers being tossers and making decisions solely based on their own financial gain, this is the only rule and thing I agree with and needs to stay to protect the integrity of the league which helps feed the national team. If u wanna play for ur country and care enough about it, you need to play within it too. That’s without mentioning all the other reasons it’s imperative the rule remains
@@sonyjim3597 It is at least curious that both Lawes and Farrell have chosen to stand down from their national side, at a time when both still have huge passion for the club game - and clearly still have a few years’ gas in the tank.
It’s a backwards policy😂😂😂
And they are considering 4 Saffas🇿🇦 to come into the squad but won’t pick English born players playing a couple of miles away in another country in Arundell and Willis
So dumb, and you have seen how it’s benefited the South Africans in being allowed to pick players abroad - BACK TO BACK World Champs
New Zealand, Wales, and England need to remove these stupid policies
South Africa are an exception not the rule. Ireland and New Zealand have shown that the best possible scenario is that you have as much control and centralisation over your players as possible. I can guarantee you that if Borthwick really wanted Willis he would come back like Marchant. Tom Willis came back why can’t Jack.
It’s worked for NZ for a very long time. Since professionalism. It would be hard for NZ to pick European based players due to lack of control over playing time, availability during the season for camps and of course the seasons dont run concurrently.
There is an argument happening in Nz that now they should have some sort of ability to pick 2-3 players if required.
England shouldn’t really have an issue as the players are literally playing in the neighbouring country, same season, time zone etc. it’s less of an argument for England not to pick players from France
@@BertFlashmanthey are an exception because of the Sa economy it was feasible to keep their top players in SA nor could they afford to. It has worked for them because they get exposure to new tactics, environments while another player gets an opportunity at home.
SA do have an issue with boks not really getting an off season at present though and they have had an exceptional group of players over the last few years.
I would like NZ to give themselves some leeway to select 2-3 overseas based players if required e.g. players such as Mounga and Frizzell who are playing in Japan at the moment
@@GBH001 That’s right. The best case scenario is to have all your players in the same country and as much influence and control over them from the top to the bottom. SA were forced out of their rule because there were simply too many leaving the country. England are not there yet fortunately.
He just wants to play the best rugby championship in the world: the top 14 !
It’s a silly policy that the ERFU have not to pick players who play overseas
Jack Willis applied for French nationality, sorry, we're keeping him in France😄
Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!
Ha ha but he would never do that, he is English through and through. I'm French and just hope he can play again for England, he highly deserves it. And we all know his move wasn't a mercenary's one !
@@elandraxe I was joking, just teasing our English friends.
@@elandraxe If he did decide to take French citizenship, I wouldn't complain. You have to take the opportunities on offer in rugby as it's a short career. Same for Arundel, though I heard he's planning on returning to the English prem to focus on England.
YES THEY DO
Les anglais ne veulent pas de ce super joueur ? Naturalisons Jack en tant que français, il le mérite, pour qu'il joue avec les Bleus ! ^^
If a player is good enough, pick him! His salary is getting paid elsewhere, and he is available for his country, it's a win win surely
If Borthwick really wanted him he would come back to England like Marchant is. Clubs in England would definitely go for him. Willis has shown that he is prioritising club over country.
Billy left in 2019 after that he just collected caps .
They definitely SHOULD NOT change the rule cause that would seriously hurt the league. there isn't a need to get willis in as England have a mountain of talent and depth at back row anyway with players that offer just as much if not more around the pitch. willis wouldn't start over ben earl, the curry brothers and underhill and that's not to mention barbery, mercer, Cunningham south, dombrant. plus other young players coming through who have high ceilings, such as tom willis, guy pepper, tom pearson, ted hill, miles Reid, greg fisilou. England will be fine without him and its impertive to protect the league and give players a reason to stay in the current financial climate. people calling for the change probably dont only car about the England team and are not worried about the negative affects it could have on the club game.
What a minute! England actually wants to win something now?… Who knew!
England’s overseas player rule is and always has been bureaucratic nonsense. From Steffon Armitage then to Jack Willis now, playing in France often improves players. Willis stood out in the biggest club game of the season alongside a plethora of international players. England, whilst having plenty of options in the back row, don’t have the proven depth to just ignore Willis.
Ne pas prendre Willis c’est du suicide pour l’Angleterre… Je l’imagine bien retourner en Angleterre jouer pour les Harlequins.
He has already played 14 times for England and has never looked good. Whereas Underhill and Curry are always immense for England.
Et pourquoi pas la naturalisation française
The Crusaders are that greatest club off all time that’s no debate
Spot on, boring in
When ref ( who had a great game ) moved round he pinged Leinster
Are you serious. Why did James Lowe get a yellow and toulouse got away with doing the same thing when leinster were 2 meters out from the toulouse line in the first half? Dupont should have got a yellow for cynical play preventing JGP from taking a quick tap after leinster won a scrum free kick.
Who would you be kicking out to make room for Willis?
For international, you have to have a 3rd lineout option, so 6 needs to be a Lawes type player (not Willis).
Tom Curry (when fit) and Ben Earl are currently the top two (it would seem) and there are some great lada coming through (look to Tigers, to name one team).
Willis played 6 yesterday and went up in the lineout a few times yesterday, I don't understand what ur saying. He should be in the England squad
@@diejwba469 You don't understand? Tom Curry and Ben Earl can jump in the lineout, but we're talking international rugby.
As for Willis playing for England or not, I didn't give an opinion. I simply asked who you would get rid of?
@secondchance4498 I would personally have willis, T curry, Earl but they all have similar strengths and can play all positions I'd say
@@diejwba469that would be poor at international level. You tend to want a bigger ball carrying six. Players like Jack don’t seem to do well at international level. I though he was quite poor at the 2023 six nations and the team looked so much better when Tom curry and then Underhill came back in.
Once a wasp always a wasp 🐝
There are players in the Gallagher every bit as good as Willis so why change the overseas rule, the people who really suffer by the player drift abroad are the fans, the ones paying the money/taking an interest who want the best players staying in the domestic league. Players understand the rules of selection, you make your choices you take the consequences.
Players named (Roots, CSouth) arent fit to lace Willis' boots. Csouth is a specimen but Willis has such a well rounded game. Get him in!
C'est aberrant qu'un tel joueur ne soit pas sélectionnable, s'il reste 5 ans à jouer en France il sera (si il veut) sélectionnable pour jouer avec l'équipe de France, Merci l'Angleterre ! 😁
Yes I’m serious
Personally i don't believe that any tier one player should be allowed to play for his country unless he earns his living in that country, if he chooses to earn more money in another country fair enough but he shouldn't be allowed to have his cake and eat it . Jack Willis is a very good player but unless he plays in England he shouldn't be eligible and i believe that should be the case for all tier one players, tier 2 is different because they don't have the same option.
the South Africans arent that stupid, and England doesnt have the pool of players that New Zealand does. Another delusion, thinking England can do what NZ can.
The reality is that if Borthwick actually wanted him in the squad he would be coming back to England like Marchant is. Willis has shown that he isn’t cut out for international level. Let’s leave it at that and let him perform in France.
Are you talking about the French jack Willis? it will take a few million pounds sterling for him to play abroad! 😆😂
There should be a universal 10 year residency rule. Anything else is bs.
Willis was completely anonymous in the first half.
😂 yeah ok
stop whatever medicine thats on your prescription, dude
It's comical. It's the handling that killed leinster in the first half, nothing to do with how toulouse played.
@@RossJohnson-nd6yh actually he did make a significant contribution in the first half. Shoulder to head shot on Doris which should have been a red card.
This conversation is fucking boring, it’s been going on since Johnny played at Toulon, England should pick him but they won’t end of story
Will Carling was right regarding rfu silly old farts
Before the extra time tries, there weren’t any tries only hard suffocating rugby by the “best” club teams in the world. People are like: “the game is in a good state”. The Springboks play suffocating rugby and people are like: “what has the game come to?!”. Love to see it 🤣🤣😜. The hypocrisy.
Cry more
The difference is that Toulouse only played this kind of rugby for the final. They won all the other games with more than 40 points.
I think the ref had a big part to play in that by being way to lenient with defensive jackals when the player had finger tips on the ball for a split second, i see far to much of this lately and not just against the teams I follow its across the board, just chokes the life out of a game.
@joemoody7440 exactly and yet it took him an hour to give Dan Sheen a turnover in the middle of the park when it was clear as anything
He plays in France, the policy hasn’t been changed, he’s not getting selected. Waste of a post!
Jim always talking about rugby as "a product"🤢
The turnover penalty he gave dupont from Sheehan break was ridiculous wasn't on the ball for a second before he was dragged off his feet!
The ref destroyed any chance of a try being scored all on his own!
And how come we didnt get to see the suppoosed knock on in the build up to lowes try that wasn't to be??
sour grapes mate!!!, you got tonked by the better team, take away the two kiwis (JGP and JL) and Leinster are pretty average. you got a lesson at the breakdown and you don't like it. against Northampton you got away with murder at the breakdown
@@mattg6902 what a time to be alive ay Matt, the national team playing in a club competition finally being ref'd fairly at the breakdown and it all falls apart.
Leinster still brilliant, but anything can happen when its finally a level playing field
Do you want some 🧂 on your potatoes
Yes and porter position on scrums? His ass at 90 degrees every time.
And a lot of decisions were favorable to the leinster
@@mattg6902 you didn't address one point i made, just nonsense ramblings! Typical mindless bull!
"And leinster are pretty average" just shows the utter ignorance you have for the game!
This stupid rule needed scrapping five years ago