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@The MacSo Moral values aren't totally subjective. What makes a moral value moral is if it brings forth and restores the fairest happiness for everyone involved. E.g. laws and social customs are different everywhere in the world, but the assertions like "treat others with respect" and "have courage and self-pride" is still there (sometimes those statements are abused due to evil contexts surrounding them, like treating an evil authority with respect or having too much self-pride and arrogance) but those are still values common to all laws. Because they are moral - they are fair, and ideally, in a world where people respect and maintain the integrity of justice, those values would bring happiness. Take a look at Aristotle's 12 golden virtues - are those virtues entirely subjective or not? Take a look at formal logic - why is it objective? It would be morally and logically invalid to dismiss you now because you could be black - is that statement subjective or objective?
"Many people never consciously contemplate the question of how one ought to live, instead the course of their lives is largely determined by the cultural values and norms, which they unquestionable adhere to." Yes, sadly.
My favorite quote of his "No citizen has a right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training…what a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”
in dumb as fck, i have a school Project tomorrow about socrates, i havent studied at all, pluss we have had 3 moths tto write and talk about him, started today....
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not much as changed. I saw a quote from a Greek man talking just as a modern day elderly man would of the youth and how things were different when he was youthful. It was eerily similar.
Seraphim truths aren't subject to one group or time so he may very well have come up with these ideas on his own ...how do you know that the "Egyptians" didn't get it from some other group?
Assuming that the understandings of Socrates presented in this video are correct, I would say this is one of the best educational videos I have seen on RUclips. It is perfectly sequenced. Well done.
I myself have this hunch that Socrates was not a real man but a made up one..just like Mark Twain has a PEN NAME of THOMAS JEFFERSON!!!I believe he is a SHADOW..Could also be a (FORM) THEORY OF FORMS..just like our FOUNDING FATHERS LOL..They really thought we wouldn’t find out there TRICKS!!!But GOD is GOOD a shows his CHILDREN TRUTHS
Jason I would very much love for him to of been a real person!!I have come to find out that a lot of what we are told is false..I like to think outside of the proverbial boxes they have locked us in..
forever saudade i disagree. If i steal my friends candy, or rape his mother kill her and eat his corpse in front of him and he gets thrown in jail for it. Are those things equally unjust? They ARE both unjust, but there clearly is a gradient.
forever saudade That's my problem with this quote. It's so vague and general. I would rather steal a candy than get mugged and shot. What exactly does "better" mean? Obviously on a moral standpoint committing a crime is more immoral than it being committed against you, but that's no great revelation. Basically it's a vague generalisation that tells me nothing and expands my understanding by nothing, so where is the wisdom? Maybe he meant that as a rule for all people. If everyone took it to hearth, life would be better for all people. Sure, but that's naive and idealistic. I would expect from a man like socrates/plato that he knows there are assholes out there that are making it harder for the rest of us.
"Obviously on a moral standpoint committing a crime is more immoral than it being committed against you" How is crime being committed against is immoral on your part? Your thinking contains inconsistencies. You obviously don't understand Socrates and nor do you have an altruistic state of mind to comprehend the essence of it.
MyDefendor Q The quote is a mantra to live by. That's the significance. It's a code to live by. We can definitely dissect it into a dichotomy but that's just a perversion of it.
Stay true to thyself and no one will be richer than you. But with that virtue you must do good to others. Believe that they are just as worthy as you. Live the way you want to live realizing that you have total and complete control!
+Gustavo Cuero One only has total control over what one can control, and in truth that is just limited to one's responses to what happens between being born and dying. Choose well by being true to yourself
I believe that today's society's psyche is much different from the psyche of the old world. I think is the complexity of society and the new strange and bizarre behaviors we are developing. And I think this is what leads people to commit evil acts knowingly.
Martin Delira We also live in a globalized world where the ethical systems of various civilizations compete. What is deemed as perfectly good for one, may be abhorrent for another. An example is drawing the Prophet Muhammad as a funny cartoon, which may exemplify free speech for Westerners, and be a deep insult for Middle Easterners.
only in the mind is evil a viewpoint or subjective. Within yourself in your conciseness itself we are all aware of the same truth and that truth within the light will set you free.
These people carry and execute the collateral actions of evil. They become addicted to it almost like a drug, losing their soul along the way. The population has a barometer to gauge when they're being oppressed and manipulated. Mass suicide around the world, not seen in recent history only visually exemplifies the evil taking place.
Humans are self aware that "time heals all wounds". meaning that when we commit evil (or wrong doing), that our minds will recover and we will still have a change at happiness. I get am getting the impression that philosophers like Socrates and others during their time, were affluent enough to have the luxury to choose virtue as a path to happiness. I believe that people who are living in sub economic conditions will commit evil so they can have food in their stomach and not starve. In closing, the flaw in virtue=happiness is that many people have to put survival over happiness.
You miss the point, if one commits a sin, he corrupts his own soul so the false happiness gained from the evil is pointless. A starving person stealing to survive is not an evil act, so his soul cannot be corrupted, as he never gained any false happiness from the act of stealing, it was to survive. the feeling of stealing to gain false happiness and the feeling to steal in order to feed yourselve is completely different and cannot be part of obtaining virtue. hope you get my point
I just went through a Philosophy class a few weeks ago talking about this same concept, it was a 4 hour class, but this has been a great refresher, great video In regards to Virtue, I think he got it right... still a hard pill to swallow that acts of evil are accidental, don’t know if I believe that, but it falls in nicely for society to give benefit of the doubt for the sake of peace and future, and the prospect of redemption, which in my mind has always been better than the prospect of civil war
First, and most important point: yes, he did. I could not agree more. For whatever it may be worth, I do not know whether you intended it but I am aware of the quote from the movie 'Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure' (1989). Secondly, a question: when you hyphenate "So-Crates", why are you doing so? Note: even though I have spent little of my life in Greece, I do understand Greek.
I used to pray to Socrates when I was seven years old. He was my mascot and I had an obsession with him. My father had books on philosophy in his library...For some reason Socrates was someone that I loved to speak to, even though he is not alive.
Thanks for this great work. I've literally learned so much by watching this. im always in a constant search for truth so much so its became an obsession.
"To put it bluntly most people are ignorant" 😂 I love all your videos and wisdom. If only I was taught this in school. I had a similar question like why are many people ignorant? We do we do actually as we are told? Why aren't their more people who stand up and be great? but then I realize it's because "they" secretly are instilling us with fear, not love nor energy to empower us. Which leads to control over the masses to be ignorant
@Taylor D true education has failed us if we were all taught for example history properly and true fully not just the view point of your place of eduction we more than likely realise we a have at in common and we wouldn’t have s many wars by now. We have mostly al bee indoctrinated in one way or other..
Wow all of this knowledge of socrates I've been knowing since the age of 15 and I'm 17 now but sometimes I feel like i am truly gifted with knowledge. Watching this video refreshes my mind.
We are souls, not bodies. We have bodies. We are not bodies that have souls, We are souls that have bodies. Rumi had mentioned that in his poems and lyrics a lot, and his whirling dance was the thing that he using to project from body. This is called out-of-body projection(experience). For more details read this book from Paul Twitchell : " Eckankar, The Key to The Secret Worlds"
The Deliverance by Anthony De Mello - Wellspring 1986 To see life as it truly is, nothing helps so much as the reality of death. I imagine I am present at my funeral. I see my body in the coffin, I smell the flowers and incense, I witness every detail of the funeral rites. My eyes rest briefly on each person present at the funeral. Now I understand how short a time they have to live themselves, only they are not aware of it. Right now their mind is focused, not on their own death or the shortness of their life, but on me. This is my show today - my last great show on earth, the last time I shall be the center of attention. I listen to what the priest is saying about me in his homily. And as I scan the faces of the congregation It gives me pleasure to observe that I am missed. I leave a vacuum in the hearts and lives of friends. It is also sobering to think that there may be people in that crowd who are pleased that I am gone. I walk in the procession to the graveyard. I see the group and stand silent at the grave while the final prayers are said. I see the coffin sink into the grave - the final chapter of my life. I think what a good life it was, with all its ups and downs, its periods of excitement and monotony, it's achievements and frustrations. I stay on beside the grave recalling chapters of my life as the people in the crowd go back to their homes, their daily chores, their dreams and worries. A year goes by and I return to earth. The painful vacuums I left behind are steadily being filled: the memory of me survives in the hearts of friends, but they think about me less. They now look forward to other people's letters, they relax in other people's company; other people have become important in their lives. And so it must be: life must go on. I visit the scene of my work. If it still continues, someone else is doing it, someone else is making the decisions. The places I used to frequent only a year ago: the shops, the streets, the restaurants... they are all there. And it doesn't seem to matter that I walked those streets and visited those shops and road those buses. I am not missed. Not there! I search for personal effects like my watch, my pen, and those possessions that had sentimental value for me: souvenirs, letters, photographs. And the furniture I used, my clothes, my books. I return on the fifthieth anniversary of my death and look around to see if someone still remembers me or speaks of me. A hundred years go by and I come back again. Except for a faded photograph or two in an album or on a wall and the inscription on my grave, little is left of me. Not even the memory of friends, because none of them exists. Still, I search for any traces that are possibly left on earth of my existence. I look into my grave to find a handful of dust and crumbling bones in my coffin. I rest my eyes on that dust and think back on my life - the triumphs, the tragedies, the anxieties and the joys, the strivings, the conflicts, the ambitions, the dreams, the loves and the repugnances that constituted my existence -all of its scattered to the winds, absorbed into the universe. Only a little dust remains to indicate that it ever was, that life of mine! As I contemplate that dust it is as if a mighty weight is lifted from my shoulders -the weight that comes from thinking I matter. Then I look up and contemplate the world around me -the trees, the birds, the earth, the stars, the sunshine, a baby's cry, a rushing train, the hurrying crowds, the dance of life and of the universe- and I know that somewhere in all of these are the remains of that person I called me and that life that I called mine.
As a Greek love him and all of them, read him and its like listening to jesus but very hard to live on there words, people change everything on how it suits them
I think it's wisdom that leads to virtue, instead of knowledge. I think knowledge can greatly enhance virtue, but it won't necessarily lead to it. I'm sure many of us know of people who have extensive knowledge in a particular field, but still live in a manner that brings about the destruction of what is good and virtuous within themselves. Also, many individuals who are guilty of intellectual pride are obsessed with amassing knowledge, but they have no true virtue. This is why I think that it is wisdom that leads to virtue, not knowledge.
Virtues are our armor for our souls. It is like a compass to navigate our lives. Practicing true virtues gives peace to the mind and soul. Beware: Some would even state vice as a virtue.
from what i think, virtue is the principle you grew up with which is the soul in us, embedded in us when we are young and evil is the hunger and greed that goes against your principles which can be easily accomplished
Modern retort here is in the form of opposing the "inner" of the reflection needed to know the "self". Its a fundamentalism (over dedication to the fundamental nature of one aspect over the other) in an object orientated sense that the more "inner" the self you discover the better a discovery of the "self" it exposes - the self is also knowable outwardly or sidewaysly etc etc. For instance it doesn't necessarily only drive its definition on your reactions to only "inner" forces within yourself, you could learn of "inner" forces by lets say poking yourself from the outside too.
It’s strange how even in the early centuries, it seems like only 0.000.1 of the population had the right frame of mind to follow the path of so-called righteousness and be in touch with a virtuous mindset ? It’s almost as though humans are meant to be evil and ignorant mostly, in my opinion if there’s is a god of love he’s made a big mistake bringing us here to earth.
Your comment has piqued my interest. It reminds me of a Jean-Paul Sartre quote I used to have on a shirt of mine where Sartre was like, so if we were 100% sure that God existed, would that change anything?
@@abelwritesmusic yes I’m sure that has comment has, by the way check out Matt Dillahunty on the atheist experience on Sundays if you don’t already ...
@@Silkroads733 I'm a pantheist in the loosest, most liberal or generous interpretation of the term. Ultimately, I think people believe in whatever comforts them and do what is convenient for them. When people ask me if I'm religious and try to preach to me I tell them I am very religious and that I, of course, follow the religion that I've made up. All religions are made up so I don't see why mine is to be considered better or worse than any other. I've never preached to hurt others in my religion or to spread my so called religion. If I had to sum up my religion in one command, it is "act responsibly". I don't bother to expand on what to believe since thoughts, as far as I am concerned, don't do much harm to other entities.
3:02 The word "Soul" is a compound word that means "Sun/Son of God" from the Latin word "Sole" which means "Sun" and "UL" which is the masculine for "Of God" or "God".
Solzhenitzen in The Gulag Archipelago wrote about how the line dividing good from evil cuts through the heart of every human being. This is one way to interpret Socrates' "Know thyself" mantra, as Solzhenitzen also quoted.
A thought on the last part. He says that the attacker hurts his soul but the recipient doesn’t. I would say that the recipient is hurt more. They lose something of theirs whatever it may be, and on top of that receive emotional trauma which can eat away at your soul over time. So i would argue the opposite. The recipient gets double what is given
Soul does not imply, 'the thinking and willing subject' but rather the source of thinking and willing itself. The soul is free of concepts, hence anything added to it is an aberration and is a product of ego. The awareness alone is real and it speaks to us in absolute surrender and silence.
To understand how Socrateses claim can be true with regard to the scenario provided at the end of the video, one needs to understand that the soul transcends the persona one inhabits in a current life. Evil WILL often pay in the short time. But not on the long run.
@Reddit På Svenska Yean and not only political philosophy but moral philosophy. The western world is weakening in its thinking, thought patterns, ideas, what it considers values, virtues, ideals, and this is very important, because it is basically built on those things. This is what it is built on. If I remember corrreclty somewhere in plato's republic there is analysis about democracy and democracy requires the democratic man , oligarchy which can be applied by the oligarchic man, etc. Thus democracy requires democratic men, and the western world "western world men". No matter the money, technology, buildings, and brand names of the institutions there is no western world without men that embody the ideas. All men.
Replace soul with brain and there is the modern explanation using relative science. Each of our brains is designed to be an ever evolving and self improving tool, and on just a realistic level understanding yourself and your brain (you- or "soul") is the key to complete individualism and purpose. Being somebody who thinks using the correct answer to other issues and knowledge you've learned in the past and really understanding the important things in life is all you need. Food, water, sleep is all you need to live, and even living in itself is a conscious decision. A free choice to decide what happens to YOU. Doing what you know is right, not what you think is right. Having complete confidence in your belief and not having anyone able to dispute you because your right no matter what. The result is always changing but can still be the same it can still be always right. You just have to evaluate it, its all about the variables.
It all relates to moral.. what one assumes is right or wrong, good or evil.. I do agree with socrates when he states ignorance is the only thing separating good and evil.. it all comes down to choice. You choose to be bad voluntarily, it is not a product of environment or upbringing. But the subject is so complex even psychologists struggle to explain.. the human mind is totally bizzare.. a true labyrinthine medical science will never fully understand
Socrates was a big thinker and said "I am a citizen, not of Athens or Greece, but of the world." "The advantage of the part in a world society is best served by promoting the advantage of the whole." ~ Baha'i Universal House of Justice
As soon as you know thyself you trust thyself. Once you trust thyself you will know how to live. Introspection. Because real questions cannot be answered from anywhere else except within. Meditation. Because illumination matters.
When i commit an injustice, according to my perspective of virtues, it becames a mirror and reflects its negativity into myself. I am an empath and i am always being conscious of my actions and their products to others. Also some times u happen to learn from your mistakes(evil) in life. My point is that the way of thought of one self is to find virtues that are necessary of who you want to became. Then you should constantly structure yourself based on your virtues You need to reconcile your virtues with the ability to be formless and shapeless, like water in order to find peace for your soul to be at rest. Any thoughts would be welcomed !
Despite my great respect for Socrates, I think it's a little simplistic to say that evil stems from ignorance. If it is immoral for me to use a sword to slice off a person's arm, what if I am dying of thirst and he is preventing me from getting to a well? Human rights are in conflict, a sad comment about human nature, but a true one, I think.
The point is: your soul is more important than your body. We are here to improve our souls and these bodies are just the temptations to care more about something else. Life is a TEST of your will power with the physical bodies meant to distract you from that goal.
It's not as immoral to hurt someone if you really have to. I do agree with some part of what you said because some people do evil because they think it will benefit them and sometimes it really does. Others might do evil for plain fun and get Socrates' "false happiness". I think the idea is that truth and knowledge is the best good and ignorance is the opposite of truth and knowledge. So heading towards the opposite "only good" means you are heading TO the "only evil" which is ignorance. The thing is that there are different ways that ignorance being evil has been phrased so in some respects it can be true and in some it can be a bit iffy.
I heard that according to Socrates the soul is a beings "principle of existence" rather than the "astral body" imagined in Christianity. The human soul involves rational analysis of their surroundings. Since humans are rational thinking beings capable of analyzing the way they perceive their surrounding, "virtue" for humans involves refining these thinking and analyzing capabilities and using them to improve their behavior.
"Man has no moral instinct. He is not born with moral sense. You were not born with it, I was not...We acquire moral sense, when we do, through training, experience, and hard sweat of the mind." -Robert A. Heinlein I disagree with Socrates' assertion that mankind naturally "craves good" as we see quite the contrary in many aspects of society throughout history and today. I do enjoy his philosophical writings, though I do not always agree with them. Love the channel and the work you do. 👍👍
Simply loving it. The way he explains soul is commandable. True self is soul. When you injustice you harm your soul but when you suffer injustice its the material things which get that damage not the soul. A good soul is the only pursuit of happiness.
This video leaves out vital information, which would only take a few seconds to add in, that could change the way someone understands the statements in this video correctly.
When happiness is defined by someone other than yourself and manipulated by the evil desires of others your existence can be commercialized for their pleasure as they watch you chase the dream they fooled you into believing is your own.
I disagree that all evil is done involuntarily due to a lack of knowledge. Some people know what they are doing but are apathetic towards the parties affected.
The last question about being a victim vs. perpetrator of injustice and the resulting consequences and concluding that the former is better is a foundation of Buddhist philosophy. Aristotle wasn't the first to ponder this.
I like Socrates but disagree about the ignorance and victim-hood of the criminal. Many people are lazy and will take a short cut in life by committing a crime. They have little soul or remorse about what they do. The soul grows by sacrifice either through hard work or time taken to nurture others.
In your example, I suspect the lazy criminal thought that by being lazy, and committing the crime as a shortcut would be the shortest and easiest path to their happiness. Socrates suggests that this isn't true, and that this would not lead to their happiness. Instead, gaining knowledge of, and living by virtue will lead to the happiness they sought. So by the criminal's lack of knowledge of what would make them happy, instead search out the incorrect path to it. They committed the crime due to ignorance, and instead rob themselves of their ability to acquire true happiness - hence their labeling of being a victim of ignorance.
@@derrickschroepfer9173 Also, if we look at the other end of the spectrum, the exact opposite....when someone is a hard worker and trough hard work he or she acquires huge amounts of wealth (Billions of $) yet the person is not satisfied and wants more and more money.....and is willing to hurt or cause suffering to others (directly or indirectly) in order to get it. That is also a kind of ignorant behavior, because if 5 billion $ didn't make you happy and satisfied, 50 billion won't make you happy either. It is also called GREED.
I don't agree with certain statements like people don't ponder how to live. I think almost all of us have pondered these questions, what the statement is really saying is I will tell you how you should live.
The thing is..I'm not sure It's only about ignorance. Some people I think could never learn that virtue brings happiness because they find their "evil" selves virtuous. They're not only ignorant, they're incapable of learning. And therefore can't be made to become good. Narcissists might be the best example.
Borrowed a book years ago from the Library about Socrates and found him fascinating as I love reading about Philosopher's & their thoughts about life. People in history were considered witches and burned just for thinking for themselves. If one doesn't know oneself then how would we ever expect to be happy? Yet some are like zombies following the crowd. lol
Many people were condemned as witches because the accusers had ulterior motives such as inheriting their property. The same thing goes on today in parts of Africa.
I'm a student of philosophy taking a refresher course on the history of western philosophy and Ive been foloowing your videos and I find it notable that up until now the forms of the production for your videos have seemed to follow a predictable and "usual" format. This is to be expected due to the lack of depth in presocratic philosophy. And now for the 1st time in this video it seems you are forced to give an expounded analysis. This is the birth of critical philosophy and will become more so!
As a youth and young adult I really admired what I understood of Socrates. I haven't really made any effort since then (over 20 years ago) to learn more about him or his philosophies. The idea of his in this video that no person deliberately commits sin or evil acts is naive though in my opinion. I believe that through pornography, some people groom themselves toward greater excess to the point that some commit crimes such as sexual assaults, rape, murder and pedophilia. Along the stages of the increasing excess, they know full well that they are sinning and should not be escalating their desires and yet they willfully continue. Having said that, I think the way people currently slap the term "evil" onto nearly anyone they strongly dislike is ridiculous beyond reason. I also believe that while people are definitely capable of deliberate evil acts, a person being wholly evil is exceedingly rare and possibly even non existent.
Q. “Evil is the result of ignorance.” Everyone needs to know about the extent of evil in this world. That’s the only way to never repeat it. It should be mandatory knowledge.
This is also why the cabal’s symbols are everywhere. They’re just not aware of what it looks like from our perspective. They’re in their own world, not the real one.
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Why did Plato distanced himself from Socrates ?
@@Andrea-br4gv The written word.
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When something is stolen from you your property is depleted. When you steal from another your virtue is depleted.
@The Allchive lmao.. True. Go Hungry, Starve.. Virtue pllth No. Maddness.
"Agree with me, I'm right!!!" - The MacSo
@The MacSo Self-Righteousness is _not_ a virtue.
@The Allchive Tautologies are objectively true.
@The MacSo Moral values aren't totally subjective. What makes a moral value moral is if it brings forth and restores the fairest happiness for everyone involved. E.g. laws and social customs are different everywhere in the world, but the assertions like "treat others with respect" and "have courage and self-pride" is still there (sometimes those statements are abused due to evil contexts surrounding them, like treating an evil authority with respect or having too much self-pride and arrogance) but those are still values common to all laws. Because they are moral - they are fair, and ideally, in a world where people respect and maintain the integrity of justice, those values would bring happiness. Take a look at Aristotle's 12 golden virtues - are those virtues entirely subjective or not? Take a look at formal logic - why is it objective? It would be morally and logically invalid to dismiss you now because you could be black - is that statement subjective or objective?
"By all means marry: if you get a good wife, you’ll become happy; if you get a bad one, you’ll become a philosopher" - great philosopher socrates
Lots of philosophers today
jose jacob lmao
Xanthippe, his wife's name, is still a term used to describe a shrew.
Why yhe fuck wojld i wanna b a philospher stone
Did he really say that
"everything we do, we do because we think it will make us happy"
And thus there is no good or bad but what we think is good or bad.
@@sionmarak1916 So if I steal all of Sion Marak's money because I think it will make me happy then it is good
@@quinnadam3024 for you if you think it is good but not for me
@@sionmarak1916 No. If it's wrong to do it to one person it's wrong to do it to anyone.
Not everything but a lot of things, yeah
"Many people never consciously contemplate the question of how one ought to live, instead the course of their lives is largely determined by the cultural values and norms, which they unquestionable adhere to."
Yes, sadly.
Look into Antonio Gramsci and his idea of Cultural Hegemony.
Wow, most people never question how they ought to live. Great lecture.
i do it way to much and thus don't get anywhere.
Not fun for a 15 year old who hates highschool to ask
ironic how you have a nietzsche pfp and agree with socrates lol
really? most Christians do.. kinda central to the religion..
My favorite quote of his "No citizen has a right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training…what a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”
Socrates one of the greatest beings in the whole of human history. Brilliance and clarity at its highest expression.
in dumb as fck, i have a school Project tomorrow about socrates, i havent studied at all, pluss we have had 3 moths tto write and talk about him, started today....
Thank you for all of your videos. There are a few that I listened to daily for a few months. The teachings you shine light have been life changing and have helped me move in a brighter direction in my life. Thank you for taking the time to make this content and the years of material you have completed here.
Socrates was a man ahead of his times.
not much as changed. I saw a quote from a Greek man talking just as a modern day elderly man would of the youth and how things were different when he was youthful. It was eerily similar.
True story.
Men who ascend to his level of thinking are above time
Tupac Shakur no one is innocent in the Bronze age
Seraphim truths aren't subject to one group or time so he may very well have come up with these ideas on his own ...how do you know that the "Egyptians" didn't get it from some other group?
‘’The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.’’ ~Socrates
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Assuming that the understandings of Socrates presented in this video are correct, I would say this is one of the best educational videos I have seen on RUclips. It is perfectly sequenced. Well done.
truly one of the greatest human beings to have ever walked this earth. the great Socrates.
I myself have this hunch that Socrates was not a real man but a made up one..just like Mark Twain has a PEN NAME of THOMAS JEFFERSON!!!I believe he is a SHADOW..Could also be a (FORM) THEORY OF FORMS..just like our FOUNDING FATHERS LOL..They really thought we wouldn’t find out there TRICKS!!!But GOD is GOOD a shows his CHILDREN TRUTHS
@@sonnyspawn4435 ok
@@sonnyspawn4435 there were many people that talked about Socrates it’s most likely that he’s real
Jason I would very much love for him to of been a real person!!I have come to find out that a lot of what we are told is false..I like to think outside of the proverbial boxes they have locked us in..
@@sonnyspawn4435 Mark Twain was real and knew Nicola Tesla. There are pics of them together, and Thomas Jefferson was 100 years before, so WTF?
"I cannot teach someone anything, I can only make them think", Socrates once said.
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Socrates is right. "It is better to suffer an injustice than to commit an injustice"
depends on the injustice i suppose.
forever saudade i disagree. If i steal my friends candy, or rape his mother kill her and eat his corpse in front of him and he gets thrown in jail for it. Are those things equally unjust? They ARE both unjust, but there clearly is a gradient.
forever saudade That's my problem with this quote. It's so vague and general. I would rather steal a candy than get mugged and shot. What exactly does "better" mean? Obviously on a moral standpoint committing a crime is more immoral than it being committed against you, but that's no great revelation. Basically it's a vague generalisation that tells me nothing and expands my understanding by nothing, so where is the wisdom? Maybe he meant that as a rule for all people. If everyone took it to hearth, life would be better for all people. Sure, but that's naive and idealistic. I would expect from a man like socrates/plato that he knows there are assholes out there that are making it harder for the rest of us.
"Obviously on a moral standpoint committing a crime is more immoral than it being committed against you"
How is crime being committed against is immoral on your part? Your thinking contains inconsistencies. You obviously don't understand Socrates and nor do you have an altruistic state of mind to comprehend the essence of it.
MyDefendor Q The quote is a mantra to live by. That's the significance. It's a code to live by. We can definitely dissect it into a dichotomy but that's just a perversion of it.
" the unexamined life is not worth living " Gore Vidal use to say the untelevised life is not worth living
That's awesome and hilarious
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Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle are great philosophers of the world.People could not forget them..'Universal Arrow',Kerala,India.
plato was his student
Plato was appalling but became the most influential sadly.
Stay true to thyself and no one will be richer than you. But with that virtue you must do good to others. Believe that they are just as worthy as you. Live the way you want to live realizing that you have total and complete control!
+Gustavo Cuero One only has total control over what one can control, and in truth that is just limited to one's responses to what happens between being born and dying. Choose well by being true to yourself
I believe that some people understand clearly the nature of evil and embrace it.
I believe that today's society's psyche is much different from the psyche of the old world. I think is the complexity of society and the new strange and bizarre behaviors we are developing. And I think this is what leads people to commit evil acts knowingly.
Martin Delira We also live in a globalized world where the ethical systems of various civilizations compete. What is deemed as perfectly good for one, may be abhorrent for another.
An example is drawing the Prophet Muhammad as a funny cartoon, which may exemplify free speech for Westerners, and be a deep insult for Middle Easterners.
Evil is a point of view
only in the mind is evil a viewpoint or subjective. Within yourself in your conciseness itself we are all aware of the same truth and that truth within the light will set you free.
These people carry and execute the collateral actions of evil. They become addicted to it almost like a drug, losing their soul along the way.
The population has a barometer to gauge when they're being oppressed and manipulated. Mass suicide around the world, not seen in recent history only visually exemplifies the evil taking place.
Humans are self aware that "time heals all wounds". meaning that when we commit evil (or wrong doing), that our minds will recover and we will still have a change at happiness. I get am getting the impression that philosophers like Socrates and others during their time, were affluent enough to have the luxury to choose virtue as a path to happiness. I believe that people who are living in sub economic conditions will commit evil so they can have food in their stomach and not starve. In closing, the flaw in virtue=happiness is that many people have to put survival over happiness.
You miss the point,
if one commits a sin, he corrupts his own soul so the false happiness gained from the evil is pointless.
A starving person stealing to survive is not an evil act, so his soul cannot be corrupted, as he never gained any false happiness from the act of stealing, it was to survive.
the feeling of stealing to gain false happiness and the feeling to steal in order to feed yourselve is completely different and cannot be part of obtaining virtue.
hope you get my point
I believe Socrates once said, "People only do wrong when they know it would outweigh the benefits of doing right."
I just went through a Philosophy class a few weeks ago talking about this same concept, it was a 4 hour class, but this has been a great refresher, great video
In regards to Virtue, I think he got it right... still a hard pill to swallow that acts of evil are accidental, don’t know if I believe that, but it falls in nicely for society to give benefit of the doubt for the sake of peace and future, and the prospect of redemption, which in my mind has always been better than the prospect of civil war
Thinkers 🧠 & Writers ✍️. God bless..🙏💖🕊️
It seems Socrates "So-Crates" really did want us to be excellent to each other.
First, and most important point: yes, he did. I could not agree more. For whatever it may be worth, I do not know whether you intended it but I am aware of the quote from the movie 'Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure' (1989).
Secondly, a question: when you hyphenate "So-Crates", why are you doing so? Note: even though I have spent little of my life in Greece, I do understand Greek.
Most excellent!🎸
I used to pray to Socrates when I was seven years old. He was my mascot and I had an obsession with him. My father had books on philosophy in his library...For some reason Socrates was someone that I loved to speak to, even though he is not alive.
Thank you. I liked being your mascot and hope to get promoted to pet cat someday. 😃
Your videos are armour for the soul!, Academy Of Ideas, love your channel.
Thanks for this great work. I've literally learned so much by watching this. im always in a constant search for truth so much so its became an obsession.
Thank you so much for this sharp video. Great work.
"To put it bluntly most people are ignorant" 😂 I love all your videos and wisdom. If only I was taught this in school. I had a similar question like why are many people ignorant? We do we do actually as we are told? Why aren't their more people who stand up and be great? but then I realize it's because "they" secretly are instilling us with fear, not love nor energy to empower us. Which leads to control over the masses to be ignorant
@Taylor D true education has failed us if we were all taught for example history properly and true fully not just the view point of your place of eduction we more than likely realise we a have at in common and we wouldn’t have s many wars by now. We have mostly al bee indoctrinated in one way or other..
One of the best lecture I have ever heard. Thanks.
This was an amazing mini series. Thank you for the time it took making this.
SOCRATES shaped my life that's all me can say and am contended and satisfied till now and ever under all circumstances. Thanks.
Brilliantly put together in such an easily digestible format! Thank you for sharing. Socrates is my favourite philosopher :D
This video is amazing. We must take care of our souls. This video and ideas really enlightenment at its finest that's what Socrates would want
Wow all of this knowledge of socrates I've been knowing since the age of 15 and I'm 17 now but sometimes I feel like i am truly gifted with knowledge. Watching this video refreshes my mind.
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Good, but do remember to keep returning to the question every few years as you may be able to glean greater understanding
This was really helpful for me to get his idea.
We are souls, not bodies. We have bodies. We are not bodies that have souls, We are souls that have bodies. Rumi had mentioned that in his poems and lyrics a lot, and his whirling dance was the thing that he using to project from body. This is called out-of-body projection(experience). For more details read this book from Paul Twitchell : " Eckankar, The Key to The Secret Worlds"
The Deliverance
by Anthony De Mello - Wellspring 1986
To see life as it truly is, nothing helps so much as the reality
of death.
I imagine I am present at my funeral. I see my body in the
coffin, I smell the flowers and incense, I witness every detail
of the funeral rites. My eyes rest briefly on each person present at the funeral. Now I understand how short a time they have to live themselves, only they are not aware of it. Right now their mind is focused, not on their own death or the shortness of their life, but on me. This is my show today - my last great show on earth, the last time I shall be the center of attention. I listen to what the priest is saying about me in his homily. And as I scan the faces of the congregation It gives me pleasure to observe that I am missed. I leave a vacuum in the hearts and lives of friends. It is also sobering to think that there may be people in that crowd who are pleased that I am gone. I walk in the procession to the graveyard. I see the group and stand silent at the grave while the final prayers are said. I see the coffin sink into the grave - the final chapter of my life. I think what a good life it was, with all its ups and downs, its periods of excitement and monotony, it's achievements and frustrations. I stay on beside the grave recalling chapters of my life as the people in the crowd go back to their homes, their daily chores, their dreams and worries. A year goes by and I return to earth. The painful vacuums I left behind are steadily being filled: the memory of me survives in the hearts of friends, but they think about me less. They now look forward to other people's letters, they relax in other people's company; other people have become important in their lives. And so it must be: life must go on. I visit the scene of my work. If it still continues, someone else is doing it, someone else is making the decisions. The places I used to frequent only a year ago: the shops, the streets, the restaurants... they are all there. And it doesn't seem to matter that I walked those streets and visited those shops and road those buses. I am not missed. Not there! I search for personal effects like my watch, my pen, and those possessions that had sentimental value for me: souvenirs, letters, photographs. And the furniture I used, my clothes, my books. I return on the fifthieth anniversary of my death and look around to see if someone still remembers me or speaks of me. A hundred years go by and I come back again. Except for a faded photograph or two in an album or on a wall and the inscription on my grave, little is left of me. Not even the memory of friends, because none of them exists. Still, I search for any traces that are possibly left on earth of my existence. I look into my grave to find a handful of dust and crumbling bones in my coffin. I rest my eyes on that dust and think back on my life - the triumphs, the tragedies, the anxieties and the joys, the strivings, the conflicts, the ambitions, the dreams, the loves and the repugnances that constituted my existence -all of its scattered to the winds, absorbed into the universe. Only a little dust remains to indicate that it ever was, that life of mine! As I contemplate that dust it is as if a mighty weight is lifted from my shoulders -the weight that comes from thinking I matter. Then I look up and contemplate the world around me -the trees, the birds, the earth, the stars, the sunshine, a baby's cry, a rushing train, the hurrying crowds, the dance of life and of the universe- and I know that somewhere in all of these are the remains of that person I called me and that life that I called mine.
Most people never question how they ought to live really got me thinking
"Love that which is most alive" - Socrates (or maybe not).
As a Greek love him and all of them, read him and its like listening to jesus but very hard to live on there words, people change everything on how it suits them
I think it's wisdom that leads to virtue, instead of knowledge. I think knowledge can greatly enhance virtue, but it won't necessarily lead to it. I'm sure many of us know of people who have extensive knowledge in a particular field, but still live in a manner that brings about the destruction of what is good and virtuous within themselves. Also, many individuals who are guilty of intellectual pride are obsessed with amassing knowledge, but they have no true virtue. This is why I think that it is wisdom that leads to virtue, not knowledge.
Virtue is gained by those who seek it and desire it, let those with ears hear and those with eyes see!
and that Wisdom will be attained through Religion!
Virtues are our armor for our souls. It is like a compass to navigate our lives. Practicing true virtues gives peace to the mind and soul. Beware: Some would even state vice as a virtue.
That last argument blew my mind
from what i think, virtue is the principle you grew up with which is the soul in us, embedded in us when we are young and evil is the hunger and greed that goes against your principles which can be easily accomplished
Learnt a lot. It was way better than watching a whole series of Alain de Botton documentary.
Certainly the best video about Socrates ideas I've seen, thanks!!!! 👍
Enjoyed the video, but (if it wasn't mentioned already) I believe the late Professor Vlastos' name (~10:20) was Gregory rather than George.
Wow my ignorance has blinded me for many years but it's never too late to change...
thank you for the video. im trying to inform myself more on philosophy and you made this really easy to follow and understand. i greatly appreciate it
I freaking love you Socrates!
Modern retort here is in the form of opposing the "inner" of the reflection needed to know the "self". Its a fundamentalism (over dedication to the fundamental nature of one aspect over the other) in an object orientated sense that the more "inner" the self you discover the better a discovery of the "self" it exposes - the self is also knowable outwardly or sidewaysly etc etc. For instance it doesn't necessarily only drive its definition on your reactions to only "inner" forces within yourself, you could learn of "inner" forces by lets say poking yourself from the outside too.
It’s strange how even in the early centuries, it seems like only 0.000.1 of the population had the right frame of mind to follow the path of so-called righteousness and be in touch with a virtuous mindset ?
It’s almost as though humans are meant to be evil and ignorant mostly, in my opinion if there’s is a god of love he’s made a big mistake bringing us here to earth.
Your comment has piqued my interest. It reminds me of a Jean-Paul Sartre quote I used to have on a shirt of mine where Sartre was like, so if we were 100% sure that God existed, would that change anything?
@@abelwritesmusic yes I’m sure that has comment has, by the way check out Matt Dillahunty on the atheist experience on Sundays if you don’t already ...
@@Silkroads733 I'm a pantheist in the loosest, most liberal or generous interpretation of the term. Ultimately, I think people believe in whatever comforts them and do what is convenient for them.
When people ask me if I'm religious and try to preach to me I tell them I am very religious and that I, of course, follow the religion that I've made up. All religions are made up so I don't see why mine is to be considered better or worse than any other. I've never preached to hurt others in my religion or to spread my so called religion. If I had to sum up my religion in one command, it is "act responsibly". I don't bother to expand on what to believe since thoughts, as far as I am concerned, don't do much harm to other entities.
@@Silkroads733 Atheist Exp. is pretty damn funny. Great recommendation.
@@abelwritesmusic no thanks for your feedback you sound pretty sound to me with your own religion...
What a goldmine this channel.
Great video man, keep it up. You make great videos
Thank you so much for this video! It was excellent, I learned a lot.
3:02 The word "Soul" is a compound word that means "Sun/Son of God" from the Latin word "Sole" which means "Sun" and "UL" which is the masculine for "Of God" or "God".
Solzhenitzen in The Gulag Archipelago wrote about how the line dividing good from evil cuts through the heart of every human being. This is one way to interpret Socrates' "Know thyself" mantra, as Solzhenitzen also quoted.
such an amazing page that helped me in my studies😊😊
good video
This is one of most radical
Ideas, the getting vs commiting evil act.
A thought on the last part. He says that the attacker hurts his soul but the recipient doesn’t. I would say that the recipient is hurt more. They lose something of theirs whatever it may be, and on top of that receive emotional trauma which can eat away at your soul over time. So i would argue the opposite. The recipient gets double what is given
Soul does not imply, 'the thinking and willing subject' but rather the source of thinking and willing itself. The soul is free of concepts, hence anything added to it is an aberration and is a product of ego. The awareness alone is real and it speaks to us in absolute surrender and silence.
📑💎🏆 Great insightful & fruitful video 🏆💎📑
This video is amazing!!
I totally understand why I'm studying Philosophy... Thank you!
Wezizwe Ginindza it's amazing that no written works of Socrates exist...his influence must have been immense during his day
Ricky G This is indeed true!
So immense that he became public enemy #1.
10:10 …. The scholar's name in Gregory Vlastos, not George.
Very nice video on the ideas of Socrates.
To understand how Socrateses claim can be true with regard to the scenario provided at the end of the video, one needs to understand that the soul transcends the persona one inhabits in a current life. Evil WILL often pay in the short time. But not on the long run.
great video, thank you!
Gotta love Socrates & his life philosophies
When we suffer an injustice our true self is not harmed
When we commit an injustice we are harming our soul (our true self)
It would be great if they teach this at school like every year.
@Reddit På Svenska Yean and not only political philosophy but moral philosophy. The western world is weakening in its thinking, thought patterns, ideas, what it considers values, virtues, ideals, and this is very important, because it is basically built on those things. This is what it is built on.
If I remember corrreclty somewhere in plato's republic there is analysis about democracy and democracy requires the democratic man , oligarchy which can be applied by the oligarchic man, etc. Thus democracy requires democratic men, and the western world "western world men". No matter the money, technology, buildings, and brand names of the institutions there is no western world without men that embody the ideas. All men.
Awesome videos man. Great Job.
Great video, thank you!!! This really helped me with my Philosophy class :)
Replace soul with brain and there is the modern explanation using relative science. Each of our brains is designed to be an ever evolving and self improving tool, and on just a realistic level understanding yourself and your brain (you- or "soul") is the key to complete individualism and purpose. Being somebody who thinks using the correct answer to other issues and knowledge you've learned in the past and really understanding the important things in life is all you need. Food, water, sleep is all you need to live, and even living in itself is a conscious decision. A free choice to decide what happens to YOU. Doing what you know is right, not what you think is right. Having complete confidence in your belief and not having anyone able to dispute you because your right no matter what. The result is always changing but can still be the same it can still be always right. You just have to evaluate it, its all about the variables.
Can anybody help me understand the quote at 6:13 ? I don't quite get it. What does he mean by "Countervailing weight"?
Wow thank you for this video, highly appreciated!!!
It all relates to moral.. what one assumes is right or wrong, good or evil.. I do agree with socrates when he states ignorance is the only thing separating good and evil.. it all comes down to choice. You choose to be bad voluntarily, it is not a product of environment or upbringing. But the subject is so complex even
psychologists struggle to explain.. the human mind is totally bizzare.. a true labyrinthine medical science will never fully understand
Socrates - still spoken about and relevant today.
Excellent lecture, I am a philosopher and I try to practice Socrates teachings in my life!
Socrates was a big thinker and said "I am a citizen, not of Athens or Greece, but of the world." "The advantage of the part in a world society is best served by promoting the advantage of the whole." ~ Baha'i Universal House of Justice
As soon as you know thyself you trust thyself. Once you trust thyself you will know how to live.
Introspection. Because real questions cannot be answered from anywhere else except within. Meditation. Because illumination matters.
When i commit an injustice, according to my perspective of virtues, it becames a mirror and reflects its negativity
into myself. I am an empath and i am always being conscious of my actions and their products to others.
Also some times u happen to learn from your mistakes(evil) in life.
My point is that the way of thought of one self is to find virtues that are necessary of who you want to became.
Then you should constantly structure yourself based on your virtues
You need to reconcile your virtues with the ability to be formless and shapeless, like water in order to find peace
for your soul to be at rest.
Any thoughts would be welcomed !
Here's a thought..change that creepy thumbnail of yours so you're credibility would rise a bit higher.
Please don't use the "word" empath. It's really bad for credibility.
Despite my great respect for Socrates, I think it's a little simplistic to say that evil stems from ignorance. If it is immoral for me to use a sword to slice off a person's arm, what if I am dying of thirst and he is preventing me from getting to a well? Human rights are in conflict, a sad comment about human nature, but a true one, I think.
The point is: your soul is more important than your body. We are here to improve our souls and these bodies are just the temptations to care more about something else. Life is a TEST of your will power with the physical bodies meant to distract you from that goal.
It's not as immoral to hurt someone if you really have to. I do agree with some part of what you said because some people do evil because they think it will benefit them and sometimes it really does. Others might do evil for plain fun and get Socrates' "false happiness".
I think the idea is that truth and knowledge is the best good and ignorance is the opposite of truth and knowledge. So heading towards the opposite "only good" means you are heading TO the "only evil" which is ignorance.
The thing is that there are different ways that ignorance being evil has been phrased so in some respects it can be true and in some it can be a bit iffy.
I heard that according to Socrates the soul is a beings "principle of existence" rather than the "astral body" imagined in Christianity. The human soul involves rational analysis of their surroundings. Since humans are rational thinking beings capable of analyzing the way they perceive their surrounding, "virtue" for humans involves refining these thinking and analyzing capabilities and using them to improve their behavior.
Excellent video. Thank you.
"Man has no moral instinct. He is not born with moral sense. You were not born with it, I was not...We acquire moral sense, when we do, through training, experience, and hard sweat of the mind." -Robert A. Heinlein
I disagree with Socrates' assertion that mankind naturally "craves good" as we see quite the contrary in many aspects of society throughout history and today. I do enjoy his philosophical writings, though I do not always agree with them. Love the channel and the work you do. 👍👍
Simply loving it.
The way he explains soul is commandable.
True self is soul.
When you injustice you harm your soul but when you suffer injustice its the material things which get that damage not the soul.
A good soul is the only pursuit of happiness.
This video leaves out vital information, which would only take a few seconds to add in, that could change the way someone understands the statements in this video correctly.
When happiness is defined by someone other than yourself and manipulated by the evil desires of others your existence can be commercialized for their pleasure as they watch you chase the dream they fooled you into believing is your own.
I disagree that all evil is done involuntarily due to a lack of knowledge. Some people know what they are doing but are apathetic towards the parties affected.
The last question about being a victim vs. perpetrator of injustice and the resulting consequences and concluding that the former is better is a foundation of Buddhist philosophy. Aristotle wasn't the first to ponder this.
I like Socrates but disagree about the ignorance and victim-hood of the criminal. Many people are lazy and will take a short cut in life by committing a crime. They have little soul or remorse about what they do. The soul grows by sacrifice either through hard work or time taken to nurture others.
In your example, I suspect the lazy criminal thought that by being lazy, and committing the crime as a shortcut would be the shortest and easiest path to their happiness. Socrates suggests that this isn't true, and that this would not lead to their happiness. Instead, gaining knowledge of, and living by virtue will lead to the happiness they sought.
So by the criminal's lack of knowledge of what would make them happy, instead search out the incorrect path to it. They committed the crime due to ignorance, and instead rob themselves of their ability to acquire true happiness - hence their labeling of being a victim of ignorance.
@@derrickschroepfer9173 Also, if we look at the other end of the spectrum, the exact opposite....when someone is a hard worker and trough hard work he or she acquires huge amounts of wealth (Billions of $) yet the person is not satisfied and wants more and more money.....and is willing to hurt or cause suffering to others (directly or indirectly) in order to get it.
That is also a kind of ignorant behavior, because if 5 billion $ didn't make you happy and satisfied, 50 billion won't make you happy either.
It is also called GREED.
I don't agree with certain statements like people don't ponder how to live. I think almost all of us have pondered these questions, what the statement is really saying is I will tell you how you should live.
The thing is..I'm not sure It's only about ignorance. Some people I think could never learn that virtue brings happiness because they find their "evil" selves virtuous. They're not only ignorant, they're incapable of learning. And therefore can't be made to become good. Narcissists might be the best example.
Borrowed a book years ago from the Library about Socrates and found him fascinating as I love reading about Philosopher's & their thoughts about life. People in history were considered witches and burned just for thinking for themselves. If one doesn't know oneself then how would we ever expect to be happy? Yet some are like zombies following the crowd. lol
Many people were condemned as witches because the accusers had ulterior motives such as inheriting their property. The same thing goes on today in parts of Africa.
I'm so fucking baked right now
good.
are you still?
if yes, the very good.
haha, me too. i like reading when i am high.
LOL
he is the greatest philosopher
I'm a student of philosophy taking a refresher course on the history of western philosophy and Ive been foloowing your videos and I find it notable that up until now the forms of the production for your videos have seemed to follow a predictable and "usual" format. This is to be expected due to the lack of depth in presocratic philosophy. And now for the 1st time in this video it seems you are forced to give an expounded analysis. This is the birth of critical philosophy and will become more so!
As a youth and young adult I really admired what I understood of Socrates. I haven't really made any effort since then (over 20 years ago) to learn more about him or his philosophies. The idea of his in this video that no person deliberately commits sin or evil acts is naive though in my opinion. I believe that through pornography, some people groom themselves toward greater excess to the point that some commit crimes such as sexual assaults, rape, murder and pedophilia. Along the stages of the increasing excess, they know full well that they are sinning and should not be escalating their desires and yet they willfully continue.
Having said that, I think the way people currently slap the term "evil" onto nearly anyone they strongly dislike is ridiculous beyond reason. I also believe that while people are definitely capable of deliberate evil acts, a person being wholly evil is exceedingly rare and possibly even non existent.
Q. “Evil is the result of ignorance.”
Everyone needs to know about the extent of evil in this world. That’s the only way to never repeat it. It should be mandatory knowledge.
This is also why the cabal’s symbols are everywhere. They’re just not aware of what it looks like from our perspective. They’re in their own world, not the real one.
Cool. Thanks for sharing.