One thing to highlight were some of the victims which most of them were heading to the First Cultural meeting of Spanish American in Bogota that would be celebrated in December. Among the victims were: Rosa Sabater a well known Spanish pianist. Marta Traba, colombian writer and critic. Who died with her husband Angel Rama. Ángel Rama Uruguayan writer, husband of Marta Traba. Jorge Ibargüengoitia, Mexican writer and reporter. Manuel Scorza, Peruvian writer. May they all rest in peace.
What a shocking tragedy. I hope as the Captain was clearly relaxed and unaware of the imminent crash right up to the end (and his imminent death), that all the passengers were too. It was dark, and likely they assumed they were just about to land safely. 'In the midst of life we are in death'. God bless them all - I guess it's a miracle anyone survived such an impact.
@@billythekid3234 They had the front seats in a 747 that crashed at 131k. Any blood they once had was outside their bodies by the time investigators arrived.
I wonder how much fatigue played a role in this crash. I've driven a regular car on the interstate in a "zombie" state a couple times, like 24 hours with no REM sleep, pulled off within a few miles once I realized that I was driving like a drunk ass, veering in the lane, lines got blurry, hard to concentrate/keep her in the lanes. I hate to admit I've drove drunk a few times in my life, driving tired/sleep deprived was the same damn sensation. Only driving tired was effing worse, cause you were liable to nod off. Had to roll down the windows, blast some Slayer to keep me awake those few times I was that out of it from fatigue.
@@MilesNauticus It's too bad that we humans don't become less confident with more experience. The smarter you become the more you should realize that a mistake is just around the corner.
Have mercy. The Swiss cheese holes certainly lined up in this tragedy. RIP those lost, and hope the survivors lived to fly - or at least walk - another day.🙏❤️ Well presented, Allec.
"Virtue Signaling by posting RIP all over the internet while doing actually nothing to better the world. Social media narcissism at its finest." ruclips.net/video/PTmCxbcRXs4/видео.html
Very experienced pilots sometimes make simple mistakes. It’s a combination of over-confidence and over-familiarity. In this case it appears that the captain was allowing his first officer to conduct the flight and wasn’t paying enough attention to what was going on. When the first officer made mistakes in reading back the route clearance, the captain should’ve stepped in and rectified the situation, but he didn’t. The first officer was obviously confused, but the captain just left him to get on with it. His casual response to the terrain alert was an indication that his mind wasn’t on the job. Sometimes these very high hour captains can be liabilities.
Yeah but isn't it the safest mode of transport?🤣 There's too fine a line between success and "sink rate,bank angle and pull up" when the jokers in the cockpit get it wrong.
I wonder how much crew and controller fatigue played into this? The nav errors and fumbling with the instruments seem like the kinds of errors that an exhausted crew might make.
I thought of fatigue too. It was not taken as seriously as it is nowadays. But they seem to have started in Frankfurt, then Paris and then Madrid. Those are really short flights.
@@bullseyes1983 true, but their flight history before - how much crew rest had they? Was their schedule such that they were chronically exhausted? That's the information I'd like.
Lots of responsibility in lots of places. The copilot was incompetent, the pilot careless in supervising him, the first ATC failed to ensure that the pilots understood the correct routing, and the second ATC failed to detect a plane that was in the wrong position and dangerously low. Bad performance all around.
The pilot had more flying hours than most airline pilots will ever accumulate in a lifetime. Incompetence is certainly not the word. Sure, he erred, and that cost many lives, but he was not incompetent. It aways astonishes me how so many people in the comments care so little about the word choices they make.
@@generalyellor8188 you are correct. These pilots were anything but incompetent. This was an accident that fatigue had a lot to do with. These pilots would run circles around any of the fools commenting otherwise. When anyone else has a bad night at work you come back tomorrow and try again for a better day. When pilots make a mistake people die. They are human.
Some serious PTSD…Recalling this disaster…back in ‘82 during my flight training I became friends with a young Avianca pilot and flew a few routes with the airline. I was impressed with their commitment to training and international excellence. Then the tragic ‘83 crash … obviously, after watching this reconstruction…felt like a gut punch after 39yrs…
Hi Allec! Just wanted to say how much I appreciate all of the research and hard work you put into make in these outstanding presentations. Very admirable.
Sadly, I think this crash boils down to undiagnosed dyslexia on the part of the copilot. He screwed up the clearance, which was bad enough. Then he transposed two numbers in their altitude, "2,383" when it should have been 3,282. Dyslexia, man. He was probably able to hide it well enough as he grew up...or maybe his culture did not put much emphasis on detecting it. But to me, it surely seems like he suffered from it. Great video, as always, Allec!
When I watch your videos I go into them as if I am one of the pilots in the flying seats so I need all the pertinent information for my personal " crash investigation ". I did not read or it did not show in your Sim that he had flaps and landing gears down configuration for landing. This made me think he crashed high up in a mountainous area a good ways from the airfield. I look at the crash photos and his landing gears was down and its flat terrain with what looks like the city far down the ways in the direction of the nose. I am just saying you forgot to inform that he had gears and flaps down going on the IAF ( Intial Approach Fix ) on autopilot. Good videos, good teaching tools for pilots and the enthusiasts.
I watch all of Allec's videos and many are (obviously) extremely tragic. I don't know why but this one really affected me. RIP all who perished, and may all who read this fly safely
@@erickabdel I fly Avianca regularly these days. I work within the aviation industry. From a safety perspective they are much better than they were. They fly Boeing 787-8 and Airbus A330 aircraft on their international routes and Airbus A320 aircraft on their domestic. Their entire fleet has gone through a major upgrade over the last decade or so! Now considered to be one of the safest airlines operating out of South America.
The perfect storm of bad choices that easily could have been corrected. These poor people. I was asking myself "where is ATC through all of this??" Apparently asleep! Another great video Allec!
Another great video and comments from the other watchers many whom I'm sure are regulars. A crashed 747 is almost always going to mean a huge loss of life. Flying into a mountain or other terrain makes it a less chance of survival.
The plane was nicknamed 'Olafo' because it's former owner was Scandinavian Airlines. 'Olafo' means 'Olaf' in Spanish. 'Olafo el Vikingo' (Olaf the Viking) was a very popular cartoon in Colombian newspapers.
Ignorance/incompetance all around on this. I was concerned with a Captain of that experience being so 'non-chalant' about the entire ordeal. Almost felt intentional. . . Great video, Allec!! 👍✈✈👍
GPWS going off and the response is "well, well, good." HUH?????? Three highly experienced people in that cockpit and no one noticed that something was wrong and let's not forget ATC either. They didn't notice anything wrong either? It's a miracle anyone survived. Fatigue? Complacency? Thanks Mr. Allec, always a superb video from you Sir.
The investigators blamed the captain, but the first officer made enough mistakes that he might have been drunk or stoned. He repeatedly got radio frequencies wrong, and gave an altitude to the captain that was off by a thousand feet. It's common these days to focus on fatigue when pilots make bad choices, but I wonder if something else may have played a part.
Besides all the things I love in your channel, it is worth mentioning the fantastic job you do on selecting superb imagery of the accident aircraft. As an aircraft jet engine fan, if this does not require a lot of additional research from your end, I would love to have the engine make and type on your videos. Also, aircraft variant indo (the last 3 digits on Boeing and Airbus airliners, i.e. A320-232...) Hope you are progressing well on your flight lessons. Have Fun! Best wishes from your Brazilian friend! 👍👏💪👊
A simple HUMAN MISTAKE, no worries, they are in HEAVEN and are praying to all of us to leave this earth. Thank you Allec Joshua iBay for yet another fantastic story.
What are we to make of Captain Hernandez' response: 'well well' and 'good' to the terrain alert? I hope something is lost in the translation here otherwise it looks like pilot suicide.
So, the flight originated in Frankfurt, then to Paris, Madrid, Caracas, and Bogotá. What exactly does that mean? Presumably, the same flight crew could not work all 4 legs of this flight. Are some passengers at least potentially going to remain aboard through all this without deplaning? Presumably the plan would be for the plane to return to Europe, quite possibly to a "home base" in Frankfurt. Is the duration of a "flight" the period between some kind of routine maintenance, or is it simply a series of "hops" in close succession for which a single flight plan is filed with aviation authorities?
Flights with several “local” stops that then proceed with a long haul duration will often change flight crews at the final stop before the overseas portion. Flight plans are updated on each leg. As far as ATC is concerned, each takeoff and landing is its own separate “flight”. Maintenance is performed on the basis of flight hours and takeoff/landing cycles since the last scheduled maintenance. Airline flight planners try to schedule aircraft so that their final flight before maintenance arrives at the service facility. They hate non-revenue generating “dead head” flights. And sure, it’s possible some passengers board these flights at the originating city and don’t deplane until the final destination, however those stops are normally long enough in duration that they could deplane to stretch their legs, then re-board. Hope this answered your questions. 👍
in other reports I read years ago that when the GPWS went off "Pull up ! Pull up !", the captain yelled "Shut up ! shut up !". A friend of mine knew one of the off duty stewardesses who died. It was her first flight as a passenger. Her family had to fly to Spain to identify her and look at all the dead bodies, many of them had melted yellow plastic from the burned oxygen masks in their face.
Too strange. A Captain of that experience, doesn't make imbecilic mistakes of this nature, and his last words were haunting. To me, it sounded intentional. No other possibility makes sense, as he HAD to realized what had transpired, and that they were far off-course. This is a Captain with over 32 YEARS and 23,000 hours of experience. He must have flown into this airfield many, many times. For myself at least, it makes the most sense- the mistakes were just too massive to not notice, as an experienced Captain.
@@Hope4all2 Several. However, I didn't have 192 souls in my charge. This wasn't a "mistake". This was a failure, of epic proportions, someone with thousands of hours of experience doesn't make . 32 years? Haha. Lucky if I have 10 left.
@@Hope4all2 these weren't just ordinary "mistakes." These were mistakes made in an environment where one is supposed to be supremely focused and tripple checking everything.
11/27/1983 Names: Tulio Hernandez, Eduardo Ramirez, Juan Laverde Age: 58 (Tulio), 36 (Eduardo), 57 (Juan) Flying Time: 2.6501143 years (Tulio), 6.005473 months (Eduardo), 1.819863 years (Juan) Plane Age: 6 Plane Name: Olafo Status: Crash On Board: 192, whereas 4 are off-duty Avianca members. Survivors: 5.72% Extra info: Tulio is an experienced pilot. he's been flying for 32 years, Eduardo has been flying for 10 years, Juan has been flying for 25 years
Some planes go down in thunderstorms. This one went down in a _numberstorm._ A mentally fatigued crew at night, awash in a maelstrom of frequencies, altitudes, waypoints etc., with no inkling of CRM and precious little help from ATC. Setting an altitude 900' too low was the coup de grace.
How about doing another Philippine Airlines accident? It’s been a long time. You could try Flight 158 (BAC 1-11 crashed due to a storm), Flight 206 (CFIT) or Flight 215 (Bombing, suspected cause)
It has been said that number 191 is an unlucky flight number because both Delta and American airlines had famous accidents that shared that flight number. The same could be said here, with the first of the planes hitting the World Trade Center on 9/11 also being designated flight 11. Just musing!
Had 3 747's besides a Dc 10 back in 80's and 90's, nowadays it has about 165 ... 320's, 330's family and about 14 787's, and still the second airline in S. America.
I see that we are delving into the "Madrid accidents". It reminds me of the Spanair 5022 accident that happened in 2008. I was at Barajas that day, bound to Charleroi on a Ryanair flight. I know this might be asking for a lot, but could there be a chance that you might have a crack at the 1983 runway collision at Barajas, which happened ten days later?
I was surprised that all the frequencies and waypoints on a flight weren't recorded or noted somewhere by the pilots. It seemed errors made all the time due to communications between ATC and pilot. I would think the FMC would indicate errors as well.
All these many hours of experience and they still make bad decisions on something that should be routine. I've watched many of these "flightchannel" crashes, and am amazed at how many planes are flown by highly experienced pilots. Even when a co-pilot sees an error, he's afraid to tell the "god"pilot!
Not Allec's style. His preference is text, and frankly, it's good training in a field that relies on checklists, manuals, radio, and just plain _abstract visualization,_ to the extent aviation does. Green Dot Aviation and TheFlightChannel use a more visual style, but it is fundamentally a layperson's approach.
This is yet again proof that number of hours does not make a good pilot. When EGPWS or TCAS give you an alert, you just react. With rare exception, they are a fool proof way to keep you safe.
@@julosx in many cases, yes. But the biggest issue was that crews were used to nuisance warnings and we’re lulled into the assumption that all warnings were false as the vast majority were.
Yes mistakes happen but this mistake costed the lives of 158 passengers. There are situations you can make mistakes in and there are other situations you just can’t afford it and this was one of them. So sad.
"Safest mode of transport"...yeah as long as the pilots know what they're doing. No thanks I'll stick to road travelling as I'm not at the whims and woes of someone else at my steering wheel.
That whole “driving is more dangerous than flying” is actually wrong. There are billions of people driving at once, when you compare that to the number of flights & accidents that happen, flying is more dangerous.
@@PARCE93 Not True. Look at the number of main line accidents per year as a % of the number of flights made. Few if any accidents versus thousands of automobile crashes & deaths.
I've never understood in a world of communication why the ATC when giving out way point information or other relevant information which is info heavy dont give it in a format of text on the planes navigation system so that there can be no mistaking the information? I still think they should give the information via direct communication with the appropriate readback from the officer they are giving it to but, depending on the phase of flight or the aptitude of the officer a secondary back up right there in your face shouldn't be unattainable? Imo.
You make an excellent point. I have an RF background and these endless frequency changes are inefficient and prone to error. It seems like the aircraft industry is slow to adopt technologies which are available for surface transit. An example is aircraft engine explosion where the pilots cannot see the amount of damage other than peering out a passenger window. Most automobiles are equipped with cameras to show activity behind and along side the car. Another example is visual confirmation of landing gear being down and locked into place. Confirmation of blown tires and related fires. Fuselage damage caused by an engine explosion. There are probably more examples.
That F/O's radio technique was terrible, very unprofessional. Then he proved to be incompetent in other duties as well. There's no telling why the Captain's response to the GPWS was so odd. With their last chance to save the flight, it is likely that they would not have crashed had he reacted as we are trained, with an immediate response of corrective maneuvers, when the GPWS first alerted.
As usual with these outcomes, several errors pilling up. The FO seemed pretty insecure in every action. Poor CRM, poor assistance from controllers, poor redbacks, no crosschecks, no corrective action at GWPS... Fatality. Man, everytime I hear the *Woop Woop pull up* I think instantly TOGA and nose up to VX.
so a co-pilot flying with the company for 10 years has NFC what he is doing and basically took 150+ lives of innocent people because he can't follow basic directions or give the correct altitudes?
These two pilots were awful. I’m glad I don’t do much air travel these days. It’s not the plane I’m worried about…it’s negligent pilots and crazy passengers that scare me now.
do Avianca 203 Please (A boeing 727 flying from bogota el dorado to cali Alfonso Bonilla Aragón International At 13,000 feet (4,000 meters) over the town of the town of Soacha when a bomb by Jaime Carrera a passenger who was working with Pablo Escobar at the time detonated the bomb he got from Efram Gomez the blast penetrated the fuselage causing the aircraft breakup mid flight the disaster killed all 107 passengers and crew on board and 3 more on the ground Pablo escobar’s Target was Cesar Gaviria who was a presidential candidate at the time but he failed. cesar wanted to get on the plane before takeoff but he was advised not to and he became the president of Colombia. the bombing was ordered by the medellin drug cartel it was november 27 1989) its call sign was HK 1803
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Honestly, I find it to be a miracle that 11 people made it out alive. I am disturbed by the choices made in the cockpit.
Wait 11 people
*AVIANCA FLIGHT 11*
omg
Are you disturbed? Really? No sh*t Sherlock.
@@ibrahimmahmood6153 Your comment was made 11 hours ago. Signals?
more than 90 % of accidents are due to bad choices made in the cockpit sherlock, it is called pilot error.
@@ibrahimmahmood6153and 11 likes??
One thing to highlight were some of the victims which most of them were heading to the First Cultural meeting of Spanish American in Bogota that would be celebrated in December.
Among the victims were:
Rosa Sabater a well known Spanish pianist.
Marta Traba, colombian writer and critic. Who died with her husband Angel Rama.
Ángel Rama Uruguayan writer, husband of Marta Traba.
Jorge Ibargüengoitia, Mexican writer and reporter.
Manuel Scorza, Peruvian writer.
May they all rest in peace.
What a shocking tragedy. I hope as the Captain was clearly relaxed and unaware of the imminent crash right up to the end (and his imminent death), that all the passengers were too. It was dark, and likely they assumed they were just about to land safely.
'In the midst of life we are in death'. God bless them all - I guess it's a miracle anyone survived such an impact.
In fact in some countries, Avianca Flight 11 is known as the Marta Traba plane crash.
😢❤️
@@brianwong7285 what does that mean
@@kirilmihaylov1934 its literally in the original comment. She was a colombian writer.
*GPWS goes off*
Pilot: "Well, well. Good."
That's not a reaction I've heard to the GPWS going off before.
I wonder if they did a blood check on the pilots?, seems they were so out of it. Sad RIP.
@@billythekid3234 They had the front seats in a 747 that crashed at 131k. Any blood they once had was outside their bodies by the time investigators arrived.
@Jens Nobel I interpreted it as an acceptance of his fate.
"Oh good" sarcastically during the terrain escape might be appropriate, except it's bad crm
they were doom anyway 10 seconds later they crashed
Bad piloting and inattentive controllers are a recipe for disaster.
No really
"PULL UP...PULL UP"..."Well well...good" CRASH! What the hell!?
I still find it incredulous that such highly experienced crew can make so many mistakes.
I wonder how much fatigue played a role in this crash. I've driven a regular car on the interstate in a "zombie" state a couple times, like 24 hours with no REM sleep, pulled off within a few miles once I realized that I was driving like a drunk ass, veering in the lane, lines got blurry, hard to concentrate/keep her in the lanes. I hate to admit I've drove drunk a few times in my life, driving tired/sleep deprived was the same damn sensation. Only driving tired was effing worse, cause you were liable to nod off. Had to roll down the windows, blast some Slayer to keep me awake those few times I was that out of it from fatigue.
It's not the experience... it's the overconfidence
@@AaronSmith-kr5yf something was off here big time yes
@@MilesNauticus It's too bad that we humans don't become less confident with more experience. The smarter you become the more you should realize that a mistake is just around the corner.
Have mercy. The Swiss cheese holes certainly lined up in this tragedy. RIP those lost, and hope the survivors lived to fly - or at least walk - another day.🙏❤️ Well presented, Allec.
"Virtue Signaling by posting RIP all over the internet while doing actually nothing to better the world.
Social media narcissism at its finest."
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Very experienced pilots sometimes make simple mistakes. It’s a combination of over-confidence and over-familiarity. In this case it appears that the captain was allowing his first officer to conduct the flight and wasn’t paying enough attention to what was going on. When the first officer made mistakes in reading back the route clearance, the captain should’ve stepped in and rectified the situation, but he didn’t. The first officer was obviously confused, but the captain just left him to get on with it. His casual response to the terrain alert was an indication that his mind wasn’t on the job. Sometimes these very high hour captains can be liabilities.
= "people get sloppy"
@@None-zc5vg and then they die
Yeah but isn't it the safest mode of transport?🤣
There's too fine a line between success and "sink rate,bank angle and pull up" when the jokers in the cockpit get it wrong.
“Bueno” is such a overconfident spaniard phrase to make. Captain may have had tons of experience which lead to excessive hubris.
I wonder how much crew and controller fatigue played into this?
The nav errors and fumbling with the instruments seem like the kinds of errors that an exhausted crew might make.
Agreed. It would be interesting to know how close the crew were to WoCL. Their actions, or lack of them, have all the hallmarks of Circadian Low.
@@Peasmouldia They were set to land around midnight, which is the worst hour to be busy in a cockpit.
I thought of fatigue too. It was not taken as seriously as it is nowadays. But they seem to have started in Frankfurt, then Paris and then Madrid. Those are really short flights.
@@bullseyes1983 true, but their flight history before - how much crew rest had they? Was their schedule such that they were chronically exhausted? That's the information I'd like.
Lots of responsibility in lots of places. The copilot was incompetent, the pilot careless in supervising him, the first ATC failed to ensure that the pilots understood the correct routing, and the second ATC failed to detect a plane that was in the wrong position and dangerously low.
Bad performance all around.
The pilot had more flying hours than most airline pilots will ever accumulate in a lifetime. Incompetence is certainly not the word. Sure, he erred, and that cost many lives, but he was not incompetent. It aways astonishes me how so many people in the comments care so little about the word choices they make.
@@generalyellor8188 His actions clearly demonstrated either incompetence or impairment. The report says nothing about impairment.
I would say "incompetence" is a good description of the performance here
@@generalyellor8188 you are correct. These pilots were anything but incompetent. This was an accident that fatigue had a lot to do with. These pilots would run circles around any of the fools commenting otherwise. When anyone else has a bad night at work you come back tomorrow and try again for a better day. When pilots make a mistake people die. They are human.
@@rapman5363 Well said.
RIP
To the 181 passengers and crew of Avianca Flight 011
Some serious PTSD…Recalling this disaster…back in ‘82 during my flight training I became friends with a young Avianca pilot and flew a few routes with the airline. I was impressed with their commitment to training and international excellence. Then the tragic ‘83 crash … obviously, after watching this reconstruction…felt like a gut punch after 39yrs…
The navigational incompetence from the copilot is only exceeded by the complete lack of oversight and situational awareness from the pilot.
Hi Allec! Just wanted to say how much I appreciate all of the research and hard work you put into make in these outstanding presentations. Very admirable.
I am no pilot, but when I would hear a "PULL UP" warning, I would pull up IMMEDIATELY.
And " Well, well. Good" would not be the last words I'd ever say.
Honestly same tho
11:14 'I hope.' Aircraft are flown on data, not hope.
Sadly, I think this crash boils down to undiagnosed dyslexia on the part of the copilot. He screwed up the clearance, which was bad enough. Then he transposed two numbers in their altitude, "2,383" when it should have been 3,282. Dyslexia, man. He was probably able to hide it well enough as he grew up...or maybe his culture did not put much emphasis on detecting it. But to me, it surely seems like he suffered from it.
Great video, as always, Allec!
When I watch your videos I go into them as if I am one of the pilots in the flying seats so I need all the pertinent information for my personal " crash investigation ".
I did not read or it did not show in your Sim that he had flaps and landing gears down configuration for landing. This made me think he crashed high up in a mountainous area a good ways from the airfield. I look at the crash photos and his landing gears was down and its flat terrain with what looks like the city far down the ways in the direction of the nose. I am just saying you forgot to inform that he had gears and flaps down going on the IAF ( Intial Approach Fix ) on autopilot.
Good videos, good teaching tools for pilots and the enthusiasts.
I watch all of Allec's videos and many are (obviously) extremely tragic. I don't know why but this one really affected me.
RIP all who perished, and may all who read this fly safely
Avianca name is heard in many movies and tv shows. It was the second oldest airline until covid-19 pandemic caused bankruptcy in 2020.
Avianca already exists in 2022, but not such as good as it was.
as of may 2022 Avianca is still flying as the second oldest airline in the world, update yourself Billy.
@@erickabdel I fly Avianca regularly these days. I work within the aviation industry. From a safety perspective they are much better than they were. They fly Boeing 787-8 and Airbus A330 aircraft on their international routes and Airbus A320 aircraft on their domestic. Their entire fleet has gone through a major upgrade over the last decade or so! Now considered to be one of the safest airlines operating out of South America.
That was a lot of errors for an experienced crew. Fatigue?
Had to be, with everybody from inside the cockpit to controllers. Way too many errors were made here.
@@DavePainkiller yeah something was off here big time
Incompetence alone can't be the only problem here. I wonder what all was really going on.
You get the award for best comment. 🏆
Incompetence.
The perfect storm of bad choices that easily could have been corrected. These poor people. I was asking myself "where is ATC through all of this??" Apparently asleep! Another great video Allec!
Another great video and comments from the other watchers many whom I'm sure are regulars.
A crashed 747 is almost always going to mean a huge loss of life. Flying into a mountain or other terrain makes it a less chance of survival.
great?
The plane was nicknamed 'Olafo' because it's former owner was Scandinavian Airlines. 'Olafo' means 'Olaf' in Spanish. 'Olafo el Vikingo' (Olaf the Viking) was a very popular cartoon in Colombian newspapers.
Ignorance/incompetance all around on this. I was concerned with a Captain of that experience being so 'non-chalant' about the entire ordeal. Almost felt intentional. . . Great video, Allec!! 👍✈✈👍
Dont know why this one hasnt been made into an episode of Air Crash investigation yet
GPWS going off and the response is "well, well, good." HUH?????? Three highly experienced people in that cockpit and no one noticed that something was wrong and let's not forget ATC either. They didn't notice anything wrong either? It's a miracle anyone survived. Fatigue? Complacency? Thanks Mr. Allec, always a superb video from you Sir.
It's ironic that 11 survived on Flight 11.
The investigators blamed the captain, but the first officer made enough mistakes that he might have been drunk or stoned. He repeatedly got radio frequencies wrong, and gave an altitude to the captain that was off by a thousand feet. It's common these days to focus on fatigue when pilots make bad choices, but I wonder if something else may have played a part.
Besides all the things I love in your channel, it is worth mentioning the fantastic job you do on selecting superb imagery of the accident aircraft.
As an aircraft jet engine fan, if this does not require a lot of additional research from your end, I would love to have the engine make and type on your videos. Also, aircraft variant indo (the last 3 digits on Boeing and Airbus airliners, i.e. A320-232...)
Hope you are progressing well on your flight lessons. Have Fun!
Best wishes from your Brazilian friend! 👍👏💪👊
He does include the variant indo on all his vids including this one.
The captain wanted to say, “Nice job first officer….you little bitch.”
Like many of the accidents, it was definitely avoidable. A combination of mistakes by the captain and the FO.
This was pretty confusing. A graphical depiction or chart would help.
Or one of these NTSB animations which show everything very clearly.
I found the communications and written narrative confusing on this one.
Exactly - I would like to see the route they should have flown and the actual flight path
*First Officer screws up just about everything he can possibly screw up*
"Investigators blamed the Captain"
Another excellent job Allec.
As always Allec, a tremendous video with astounding detail and outstanding graphics! I love your videos! Please keep it up!
These videos are the highlight of my week
you have no life.
A simple HUMAN MISTAKE, no worries, they are in HEAVEN and are praying to all of us to leave this earth. Thank you Allec Joshua iBay for yet another fantastic story.
Nope. No evidence to support your claims. You’re a child.
Repent and believe the Gospel ... or it's Hell. Period.
What are we to make of Captain Hernandez' response: 'well well' and 'good' to the terrain alert? I hope something is lost in the translation here otherwise it looks like pilot suicide.
So, the flight originated in Frankfurt, then to Paris, Madrid, Caracas, and Bogotá. What exactly does that mean? Presumably, the same flight crew could not work all 4 legs of this flight. Are some passengers at least potentially going to remain aboard through all this without deplaning? Presumably the plan would be for the plane to return to Europe, quite possibly to a "home base" in Frankfurt. Is the duration of a "flight" the period between some kind of routine maintenance, or is it simply a series of "hops" in close succession for which a single flight plan is filed with aviation authorities?
I'm guessing the "four off-duty crew members" were the relief crew for the longhaul flight.
@@davecasey4341 Yes, very likely. That doesn't really answer my question, though.
Flights with several “local” stops that then proceed with a long haul duration will often change flight crews at the final stop before the overseas portion. Flight plans are updated on each leg. As far as ATC is concerned, each takeoff and landing is its own separate “flight”. Maintenance is performed on the basis of flight hours and takeoff/landing cycles since the last scheduled maintenance. Airline flight planners try to schedule aircraft so that their final flight before maintenance arrives at the service facility. They hate non-revenue generating “dead head” flights. And sure, it’s possible some passengers board these flights at the originating city and don’t deplane until the final destination, however those stops are normally long enough in duration that they could deplane to stretch their legs, then re-board. Hope this answered your questions. 👍
Good work
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Perfect cooperation. All parties get a ribbon for the group effort.
in other reports I read years ago that when the GPWS went off "Pull up ! Pull up !", the captain yelled "Shut up ! shut up !". A friend of mine knew one of the off duty stewardesses who died. It was her first flight as a passenger. Her family had to fly to Spain to identify her and look at all the dead bodies, many of them had melted yellow plastic from the burned oxygen masks in their face.
Excellent video as always
Too strange. A Captain of that experience, doesn't make imbecilic mistakes of this nature, and his last words were haunting. To me, it sounded intentional. No other possibility makes sense, as he HAD to realized what had transpired, and that they were far off-course.
This is a Captain with over 32 YEARS and 23,000 hours of experience. He must have flown into this airfield many, many times.
For myself at least, it makes the most sense- the mistakes were just too massive to not notice, as an experienced Captain.
I agree what you said about the pilot but the first officer seemed just plain incompetent.
@@jasguy2715 Agreed. Hard to believe he made it that far. Wonder if Daddy, or some other relative is in "high places".
@@Hope4all2 Several. However, I didn't have 192 souls in my charge. This wasn't a "mistake". This was a failure, of epic proportions, someone with thousands of hours of experience doesn't make .
32 years? Haha. Lucky if I have 10 left.
@@Hope4all2 these weren't just ordinary "mistakes." These were mistakes made in an environment where one is supposed to be supremely focused and tripple checking everything.
Yeah, the last words were very strange.
11/27/1983
Names: Tulio Hernandez, Eduardo Ramirez, Juan Laverde
Age: 58 (Tulio), 36 (Eduardo), 57 (Juan)
Flying Time: 2.6501143 years (Tulio), 6.005473 months (Eduardo), 1.819863 years (Juan)
Plane Age: 6
Plane Name: Olafo
Status: Crash
On Board: 192, whereas 4 are off-duty Avianca members.
Survivors: 5.72%
Extra info: Tulio is an experienced pilot. he's been flying for 32 years, Eduardo has been flying for 10 years, Juan has been flying for 25 years
I've said it before: perhaps non-emergency night flying is just not a great idea.
Some planes go down in thunderstorms. This one went down in a _numberstorm._ A mentally fatigued crew at night, awash in a maelstrom of frequencies, altitudes, waypoints etc., with no inkling of CRM and precious little help from ATC. Setting an altitude 900' too low was the coup de grace.
The actions of the First Officer seem compromised and the Captain's seem complacent.
Honestly, night flight vids would benefit from some back lighting. My iPad Retina Display shows primarily blackness with minimum contrast.
How about doing another Philippine Airlines accident? It’s been a long time.
You could try Flight 158 (BAC 1-11 crashed due to a storm), Flight 206 (CFIT) or Flight 215 (Bombing, suspected cause)
It has been said that number 191 is an unlucky flight number because both Delta and American airlines had famous accidents that shared that flight number. The same could be said here, with the first of the planes hitting the World Trade Center on 9/11 also being designated flight 11. Just musing!
Don't forget Comair 5191
flying is at least half numbers...but numerology will mess ya up.
Sounds like the first officer had dyslexia.
"In response to the accident, investigators suggested not to do that again."
You know, this sounded more like an unusually dramatic episode of the Katzenjammer Kids. Was there anyone, anywhere doing anything right that night?
i didnt know that 747 had avianca
You meant to say that, you didn’t know that avianca had a 747?
Had 3 747's besides a Dc 10 back in 80's and 90's, nowadays it has about 165 ... 320's, 330's family and about 14 787's, and still the second airline in S. America.
I see that we are delving into the "Madrid accidents". It reminds me of the Spanair 5022 accident that happened in 2008. I was at Barajas that day, bound to Charleroi on a Ryanair flight. I know this might be asking for a lot, but could there be a chance that you might have a crack at the 1983 runway collision at Barajas, which happened ten days later?
These were the days (not).
so, they did a controlled collision with the ground. just great.
I was surprised that all the frequencies and waypoints on a flight weren't recorded or noted somewhere by the pilots. It seemed errors made all the time due to communications between ATC and pilot. I would think the FMC would indicate errors as well.
When I screw up at work, and I do, nobody dies. Everyone should be thankful I was never their pilot.
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Thanks.
Do you compete with the flight channel. Your vid is good bro. I like it not more movement since attention span is short.
TACA flight 110?
The disaster name will be Nowhere to land
Am I the only one who reads the general information text in my head with voice of Jonathan Ares (ACI Narrator)?
All these many hours of experience and they still make bad decisions on something that should be routine. I've watched many of these "flightchannel" crashes, and am amazed at how many planes are flown by highly experienced pilots. Even when a co-pilot sees an error, he's afraid to tell the "god"pilot!
It would help viewers to visualize the track on an approach chart.
Not Allec's style. His preference is text, and frankly, it's good training in a field that relies on checklists, manuals, radio, and just plain _abstract visualization,_ to the extent aviation does.
Green Dot Aviation and TheFlightChannel use a more visual style, but it is fundamentally a layperson's approach.
This is yet again proof that number of hours does not make a good pilot. When EGPWS or TCAS give you an alert, you just react. With rare exception, they are a fool proof way to keep you safe.
This wasn’t EGPWS. It was GPWS which is much less reliable and prone to giving nuisance and false warnings.
@@peteconrad2077 And to ring the bell well too late.
@@julosx in many cases, yes. But the biggest issue was that crews were used to nuisance warnings and we’re lulled into the assumption that all warnings were false as the vast majority were.
@@peteconrad2077 Kind of like tornado sirens which over time we have been trained to ignore at our own peril.
@@deepthinker999 indeed.
One big ball of confusion.
That first officer wasn't worth a damn 🤦♂️😭
Yes mistakes happen but this mistake costed the lives of 158 passengers. There are situations you can make mistakes in and there are other situations you just can’t afford it and this was one of them. So sad.
Well that was a cluster.
So they were 900 meters above what they thought?
Whole lot of complacency goin’ on here…. Another perfectly good airplane flown straight into the ground.
One word? Columbia!!! 😮😮😮😮😮
Do you recreat the crashes in a flight simulator
"Safest mode of transport"...yeah as long as the pilots know what they're doing.
No thanks I'll stick to road travelling as I'm not at the whims and woes of someone else at my steering wheel.
That whole “driving is more dangerous than flying” is actually wrong. There are billions of people driving at once, when you compare that to the number of flights & accidents that happen, flying is more dangerous.
@@PARCE93 Not True. Look at the number of main line accidents per year as a % of the number of flights made. Few if any accidents versus thousands of automobile crashes & deaths.
Now if you compare the number of frustrated air passengers versus automobile drivers you would have a valid point.
Some people survived!!
The flight engineer's name has 11 letters in total 😲
It sounds like the Captain's brain was in a balloon flying behind he aircraft. He was in command of the aircraft, or should have been.
I've never understood in a world of communication why the ATC when giving out way point information or other relevant information which is info heavy dont give it in a format of text on the planes navigation system so that there can be no mistaking the information? I still think they should give the information via direct communication with the appropriate readback from the officer they are giving it to but, depending on the phase of flight or the aptitude of the officer a secondary back up right there in your face shouldn't be unattainable? Imo.
You make an excellent point. I have an RF background and these endless frequency changes are inefficient and prone to error. It seems like the aircraft industry is slow to adopt technologies which are available for surface transit. An example is aircraft engine explosion where the pilots cannot see the amount of damage other than peering out a passenger window. Most automobiles are equipped with cameras to show activity behind and along side the car. Another example is visual confirmation of landing gear being down and locked into place. Confirmation of blown tires and related fires. Fuselage damage caused by an engine explosion. There are probably more examples.
181 people on board are killed,
but 11 people on board survives
Was that a cockpit or an opium den?
The queen tried to warn them but they wouldn't listen.
That F/O's radio technique was terrible, very unprofessional. Then he proved to be incompetent in other duties as well. There's no telling why the Captain's response to the GPWS was so odd. With their last chance to save the flight, it is likely that they would not have crashed had he reacted as we are trained, with an immediate response of corrective maneuvers, when the GPWS first alerted.
Get it right cause there’s mountains near the airport. ✅
The arrogance and ignorance of a Captain who responds to a GPWS hard warning in this manner is very disturbing.
Lots of miscommunication with lessons learned at the expense of an exceedingly number of lost lives. The ongoing history of aviation history.
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So the Captain just said Well Well and then Good before crashing? Smh I'm outdone and this was unacceptable
Well well ... Good
11 people survived in flight 11
i wonder if it was instead flight 192
Sounds like a combination of fatigue and complacency along with incompetence on the part of the FO.
As usual with these outcomes, several errors pilling up. The FO seemed pretty insecure in every action.
Poor CRM, poor assistance from controllers, poor redbacks, no crosschecks, no corrective action at GWPS... Fatality.
Man, everytime I hear the *Woop Woop pull up* I think instantly TOGA and nose up to VX.
CRM?
@@Capecodham crew resource management
Mistakes,mistakes,mistakes.
so a co-pilot flying with the company for 10 years has NFC what he is doing and basically took 150+ lives of innocent people because he can't follow basic directions or give the correct altitudes?
These two pilots were awful. I’m glad I don’t do much air travel these days. It’s not the plane I’m worried about…it’s negligent pilots and crazy passengers that scare me now.
do Avianca 203 Please (A boeing 727 flying from bogota el dorado to cali Alfonso Bonilla Aragón International
At 13,000 feet (4,000 meters) over the town of the town of Soacha when a bomb by Jaime Carrera a passenger who was working with Pablo Escobar at the time detonated the bomb he got from Efram Gomez the blast penetrated the fuselage causing the aircraft breakup mid flight the disaster killed all 107 passengers and crew on board and 3 more on the ground Pablo escobar’s Target was Cesar Gaviria who was a presidential candidate at the time but he failed. cesar wanted to get on the plane before takeoff but he was advised not to and he became the president of Colombia. the bombing was ordered by the medellin drug cartel it was november 27 1989) its call sign was HK 1803
How could such a clusterf*ck occur?
Continue to watch these videos and you will begin to understand.