Disoriented Pilots | 1983 Anchorage Runway Collision
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On 23 December 1983, Korean Air Lines Flight 084 (KAL084), a McDonnell Douglas DC-10-30 performing a cargo flight, collided during its takeoff roll with SouthCentral Air Flight 59 (SCA59), a Piper PA-31-350, on runway 06L/24R at Anchorage International Airport, as a result of the KAL084 flight crew becoming disoriented while taxiing in dense fog and attempting to take off on the wrong runway. Both aircraft were destroyed, but no fatalities resulted.
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It's crazy that everyone survived. That was crazy!
Not crazy ! Just very lucky mate...
Only 3 passengers that's why, if there was over 200 passengers there wouldve been over 150 casualties
when that massive landing gear slammed into the piper i thought that was it for the passengers below
"Everyone on both planes survived" didn't expected that, it's a miracle!
Such a shame.
Yeah, thats what i thought , Amazing.
Scary that a professional pilot , when unsure of his position, never thought of checking the compass.
Yea, that's amazing isn't it? The DC-10 was cleared to hold on runway 32 but it was lined up on runway 24. Like you said, a simple check of the compass would have told the DC-10 flight crew (there were 3 of them in that cockpit) that they were not where they supposed to be, and none of them caught their stupid mistake. Korean Air flight crews make these types of mistakes again and again. From, KAL 007, to the crash in Guam, this one and many other crashes. Maybe Korean flight crews should be banned from flying when the weather is bad. Obviously they can't use simplest of logic to see that they've gone astray.
Remember that this incident happened in 1983
@@Blast6926 They had compasses in 1983
@@azurefire7266 again, 1983, a lot happened since then, like high precision radar for ground monitoring and audible cockpits thay tell you exactly which runway you're in...etc
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Yes but a compass is the cheapest and most reliable instrument you have and it's been on board planes since the 1930s.......🤔....unfortunately not everyone properly checks runway headings and needles and just guesses instead of double checking......🙄
I was taken aback when it said everyone survived. Didn’t see that coming (pardon the unintended pun). Absolute miracle every piece of landing gear hit that plane and missed the fuselage.
Holy shit. That view of the dc-10 barreling towards you from the piper gave me chills. Imagine being a passenger or a pilot and seeing that come out of the fog right at you and then surviving unharmed.
Probably really traumatized them after the accident
Me too. I screamed loud enough for my neighbors to hear me. I was sure that little Piper would be flattened like a pancake. What a miracle they all survived! 😱🙏
It's incredible that everybody survived that. I figured that the Piper would have been squashed like a bug by the DC-10.
Yup, I was expecting something like those poor people in that little Skywest Fairchild Metroliner at LAX that got smashed by the US Air 737 when it landed in 1991.
It could have been. But the Piper pilot had the wherewithal to reposition his aircraft left of the main gear.
@@AEMoreira81 might want to watch the video again. It's the KAL pilot that applied rudder at last moment and averted the disaster, not the Piper pilot
One of the basic procedures: when lining up on the runway, check that your compass points to the degrees that the runway marks. At least this would already show that they were at 240 and not 320
That was some pretty nifty straddling the piper fuselage right in between the main gear bogies of the DC-10. That maneuver saved lives.
One in a million.
Huh
I would have bet my Alaska Air miles that the next word in the sentence “Everybody on both planes...” would have been “died” - certainly not “survived.” What a pleasant surprise! :-)
This was a difficult mishap to comprehend for anyone who is not familiar with Ted Stevens Anchorage International, which is a very large and complex facility. A plan of the Runways/Taxiways, marked up to show the movements of the two aircraft, would have helped your viewers to understand what was happening. The responsibility for the collision falls squarely on the shoulders of the DC-10-30 Flight Crew, who were experienced enough to have picked up the various clues that something was very wrong. It was also worrying to find that this often-fogbound major Airport apparently had no Ground Radar. Furthermore, criticism can be levelled at the NTSB, whose failure to definitively establish the exact route taken by the Korean freighter is disturbing. History shows that this was not the only time that supposedly experienced Flight Crews of Korean Air made fundamental errors in their cockpits.
Wasn't it earlier that same year a KAL 747 plowed into Nimitz Hill at Guam?
@@scottpeters371 That was 1997
@@billolsen4360 Correct. The other KAL incident in 1983 was the unprovoked attack on two Soviet missiles on a peaceful mission over the Sea of Japan -- or at least that's the Pravda version of the event.
@@arinerm1331 Yawn....
@@rajnikantsharma Yes, Punjab Rasheesh, go back to sleep.
Pretty crazy both wings on the Piper were destroyed but the fuselage was fine
I was quite relieved, after seeing that would be a head on collision, that there were no fatalities. Once again Allec, your timing and narration are great at quickly building suspense. You never let us down.
I remember after this accident that the FAA put more emphasis on checking runway heading. And over the years, signage has improved. But todays iPad keeps you informed with great taxi charts.
Thank goodness for Foreflight!
Never never assume. This reminds me of the Singapore Airlines crash in which they took off from the wrong runway and sadly that one had multiple fatalities.
The wrong runway was full of construction equipment.
Taipei Runway light was ON during the take off on the UNDER CONSTRUCTION RUNWAY.
No barrier was at the beginning of the runway, Barrier was past 50% into the runway.
YES, Taipei airport DID give notification to ALL ARRIVING PILOTS about the construction.
Tropical 747
What a blessing that everyone survived, with incredible stories to tell as well. Alec, thank you so much, so many of your viewers really look forward to your videos!
Those people were lucky, I figured the small plane was going to be crushed.
Reminds me Linate Airport collision, small Cessna Citation CJ2 literally was disintegrated. For about half hour rescuers was sure so only one airplane was crashed (Scandinavian Airlines Flight 686, a McDonnell Douglas MD-87). Here is link: ruclips.net/video/OO74puS-Ll4/видео.html&ab_channel=AllecJoshuaIbay
Luckily there weren't any passengers on KAL.
It's good to see videos where 'everyone on board survives'
Good job allec with those simulations
Wow! I was totally expecting everyone on both planes to have perished.
The aviation industry and community was fortunate to have such a valuable lesson taught at such a relatively low price. Such valuable lessons usually don't come so cheaply.
The purely human error here is not just overlooking to cross-check their runway heading against the compass, but the error of not listening to that inner voice the Captain heard. The voice of doubt, the voice of caution, the little inner voice of warning. This is a stark reminder, whether you are the PIC or FO or other crew.. it is absolutely critical to carefully address and respond to that inner voice, every single time, and fully clarify what it’s warning you about. For everyone to survive this accident was profoundly fortunate.
If you not remember checking something then check again for sure. With proficiency incoming more automatic actions, for most of these made proprerly but unnoticed. I have same effect in my engineering job. Always when I have doubt make check if all was well done.
I don't know how often it happens but when you have a Bum and a Bong on the flight deck. You can expect things to get interesting.
Yup, plenty of bums in the West too. No wonder they are in such a mess especially the US.
@@rajnikantsharma tons of bums and millions of bongs...
You're still making great videos Joshua. We are all very proud of you. Thank you for all of your hard work and effort into everything that you're doing in your life. Please give us an update on your pilot endeavors and what your future plans are.
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Ive been watching your videos for years, and I just wanted to comment that I really appreciate the way you handle these videos. They are always done tastefully, and most importantly with respect to the people involved.
Ive seen other channels that cover crashes with far less tact, so I wanted to let you know I appreciate the way you handle your videos.
I was there a responded as a member of the Alaska Air Guard crash crew on Xmas eve. It was a miracle no one died. Got a medal for that.
Allec, I reckon I've watched every one of your vids, as well as MACI and TFC. Never have I sat in disbelief that there were no fatalities the way I am now. It seems it was a matter of inches either way, left, right, up or down, that could've taken out the occupants of both aircraft.
Makes me want to book a flight and fly the friendly skies.
Merry early Christmas
Glad there were no fatalities.
Allec; You do such amazing work!
Thank you!
That Navaho was a bunch,of,lucky campers. Can’t believe the KAL didn’t look,at the direction on the gyros.
The DC-10 was a good looking plane.
This one’s good looks didn’t last long.
they had more wrecks than any other aircraft
Apart from the rear engine arrangement.
Yeah I think they are cool looking behemoths. However, the 727 is still my favorite commercial jet.
WOW! Amazing everyone survived! Had not heard of this one! Great find and work as always, sir!
While not Anchorage, I lived and worked in Galveston, TX, for 8 years. Until you've lived in a town subjected to maritime weather, it is hard to conceive as to how dense fog can be. I have had to drive with a car door open to see the lane dividers at times. I cannot imagine airports operating in conditions where maritime fog is a possibility not checking taxiway marking lights on a daily basis
Thank you for not writing "disorientated", which so many Americans don't realize is not a word 🤣
Again an excellent video! Thank you! Allec
At first, I thought this incident was going to be like the Tenerife disaster. Thank goodness it wasn't.
I was thinking the same thing.
wow, i really thought that everyone was dead, what a pleasant surprise.
Absolutely STUNNED no one was killed...
"Everyone on board both aircraft survived"
WHAT?! I did NOT see that one coming! Pleasant surprise! 🤩
Wow despite the horrible collision they all survived lucky passengers and crew 😲
They made a mistake in the fog, but it's gratifying and great to see a pilot pull off the near-miss and save everyone alive. 👏👍
Wow 😲 !!!
Great 👍🏼Job !!!
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year 🎊 !
Fantastic they all survived 👍 thanks for another excellent video
At the first indication that they weren't sure which runway they were on, I was thinking, 'Just look at your heading indicator, dummies.' Sheesh. I mean, seriously, it boggles the mind.
Hey I watched your videos for more that 3 years and I love these airplane crash videos!
I was at ANC that morning. We heard the crash but could not see it. Later as the sun came a bit higher we could see the smoke rising from the DC-10
Excellent video and explanation. When I saw that center gear coming, I thought for sure that they were doomed. Thank god that they weren’t.
This event really should have been explained with the help of airport diagrams and animations. I am as confused as Capt Lee of what really happened.
Yes. Diagrams would have been helpful.
Hate to say it, but The Flight Channel is ahead of Alex on this one.
I had no trouble understanding.
I always complement some of these videos with their Wikipedia articles (many articles have runway diagrams) for easier understanding
I think thats one of those "crazy crashes where everyone survives"!
U make great videos thx!😃
Why didn’t both flights stop with such bad visibility? Too many accidents happen when pilots cannot see to taxi and should NOT Takeoff!
I really liked the way that everyone survived on both planes even though some of them were minor and serious injuries!
Big aircraft collides with little aircraft, no-one dies? That's quite a stroke of luck!
Thanks. Happy Holidays to you.
Another well produced video from Allec. He even found the old livery of Korean flight.
Can’t believe everyone survived that 😮 also my inner child couldn’t help but snigger at the Korean captain’s name 😂🫣
Nice video. But just a suggestion. A runway map....maybe interactive...would greatly improve this even more. I had great difficulties reading and interpreting some accident reports if it was just written text. Hence I download ntsb reports where there are maps. Same goes for battle reports, campaign reports.
How in the hell did nobody die ?! That is literally a miracle. I was expecting "Everybody on board both planes died" not this. What a pleasant surprise.
Great video, but if possible, next time please try to incoporate a visual lay out of the airport diagram (from 1983) and possibly also a picture of a standard liquid (back-up) compass as is on all aircraft, this will contribute to the "show and tell".
Incredibly fortunate no one died.
I wonder how accurate the heading indicator is in Anchorage if it is a magnetic compass.
Merry Christmas Alec.
This was the fourth runway collision in 16 days worldwide, and fourth at ANC in the past 5 days. This video should be re-done to incorporate all of them. The other 3 are:
At MAD, on the 7th, the Madrid runway disaster (93 killed when an IB B722 and an AO DC93 collided on Runway 01 at MAD)
Also at ANC, on the 19th, a JL B742 landing on 6R collided with an airport truck.
At FSD, on the 20th, an OZ (Ozark) DC93 collided with a snowsweeper truck.
Still have one of the best outtro music ever
Piper Navajo, built in Vero Beach, Flori-Duh. Powered by a pair of 350 hp 9.4 liter flat 6 engines. Taxiways have been redesignated at that airport, and the runway is now 7L, due to magnetic drift.
Say enjoy your holidays my friend great shows...thanks
If they can't even read the taxiway signage because the fog is that thick? Then obviously they shouldn't be careening down a runway!
Talk about good Fortune, nobody dying is absolutely amazing.
Nothing short of a miracle that nobody was killed.
remember, if you are unsure about the situation, and it is foggy, and you can't see the runway ahead, best to take off. That's what the pros do. Only an amateur pilot would stop and clarify the situation so there was no doubt. Don't be that amateur pilot. Be a pro.
Yeesh. Korean Air. That’s trouble.
Ok I take that back. The KAL crew’s quick maneuvering saved the day.
Passengers later credited the Piper Navajo's Captain with saving their lives because immediately upon seeing the threat, he ordered, "Duck!" -- so they did, and their injuries were thereby minor.
Later that Piper Navajo Captain confided to a friend that when he saw the KAL DC-10 bearing down on him out of the fog, he didn't actually say ... "Duck ..." -- just something phonetically similar.
A quick glance at any of the directional instruments including a compass would have shown the KAL crew they were on the wrong runway and going in the wrong direction. Amazing lack of awareness on the crews part since they already weren't sure where they were on the airport.
Where on earth were the 'follow-me' vehicles? Are not situations like these precisely where a driver's local knowledge could at least guide an unfamiliar aircrew to the correct holding point?
I’m surprised the DC-10 wasn’t able to get airborne even after the collision given it’s speed, etc…
You obviously switched off at the end. Not only was the DC-10 on the wrong runway, it only had a fraction of the runway ahead of it when it started rolling. It had nowhere near enough asphalt to reach take-off speed.
Korean started their takeoff with only 2400’ of runway remaining on 24R. It was about 6000’ too short.
Another great video. An airport diagram would have been very helpful to understand the story and what was unfolding. :)
Did not expect anyone in the Small Plane to Survive.
wow no one was killed has be a miracle. Between a small Piper aircraft and a large DC-10
I'd think that in modern times, airports could imbed LED lights in the runway that indicate the runway number in giant letters and numbers.
This capped off a bad year for KAL after the downing of KAL007 in September 1983...amazing how everyone survived this, this could have easily killed everyone....did I miss it or does ANC not have (back then) ground radar?
Disorientated Pilots | 1983 Anchorage Runway Collision
Disorientated Pilots | 1983 Anchorage Runway Collision
Cho & Lee should be cleaning planes, not piloting them. Odd as well that in the 21st century many airports continue to have inadequate lighted signage.
That animation where the piper gets struck by the center landing gear was way too similar with the 2001 Linate Airport disaster. Thank god all onboard both aircraft survived.
Except at Linate, it was the small business jet, who went the wrong way and entered an active runway, while the passenger jet did everything right. Sadly, a much worse outcome on that 1.
@@dfuher968 No I meant like if it happend exactly like that it would’ve been like the little knwon Linate
Not too often a collision between a Piper Navajo and a DC-10 freighter results in everyone on both aircraft surviving. The people on the Piper must have had someone looking out for them!
That's why you never guess, always check and verify your location especially when in low visibility. Amazing that anyone let alone everyone survived. These types of conflicts happen, best to catch the error early.
7:56 sounds incredible
The captain isn't certain of which runway he is on but doesn't check the heading indicators
Surely the compass heading would tell them it was the wrong runway. Amazing all survived
So, nobody was held accountable for this crazy. It's crazy that the pilots couldn't see because visibility was poor and they didn't know if they was on the correct runway, but tried to take off anyway
Merry Christmas and happy new year. 08:56
Amazing they all survived thank God
Check your compass if you're not sure where you are. It would have told them if they were on the east-west taxiway or the north-south one. It would have also told them which runway they were taking off from (except the L-R designations). I sure miss the DC-10s ....flew one from LAX to Dusseldorf back in 1989.
How may opportunities did they have to verify their direction with the simple use of um, a compass??!!!! Unbelievable.
Nothing short of a miracle that no one was killed
Reading the aftermath section of the video, DC10 pilots were on a runway a quarter the length of that they were supposed to be on, I wonder if the collision had not happened and they were able to gain more speed without the rotation, would the crash have been a lot worse for them, potentially fatal?
Also, can you imagine just sitting there waiting for takeoff in that little Piper waiting for takeoff and out of nowhere a massive plane is hauling in your direction!
Captain Bum Hee Lee - imagine having a name like that!
How was it after the Asiana crash at SFO, when guys hacked TV station by sending fake names of the pilots, like cpt. Sum Tin Wong, F/O Ho Lee Fukk and We Too Lo
Coincidently, there are 4 different runway collision on 4 different airports in the same year, and about the same month
Wow, a head-on collision between a massive cargo jet and a small plane and everyone survived that 💩?! I would have thought for sure that everyone on the passenger plane got killed from a hit like that.
The essence of communication is ABC...........Accurate, Brief and Coherent............I wonder if that was the thing that was lacking in this instance...enjoyed the upload......h6.....uk...veteran...........age 85....merry xmas
I, too, was wondering why they didn't use their heading indicator to make sure they were on the right runway. I've seen too many of these videos to know that "I think so" is not sufficient.
BTW, I'm honestly surprised and relieved that everyone survived this accident.
Would it be possible to request outbound marshaller (little yellow car) for taxiing under such tricky conditions?
Worth noting that the runways at this airport have since been renumbered due to the change in magnetic declination. The magnetic North Pole had moved sufficiently to cause this change.
The runway the Piper was on is now 7L, the runway that the DC-10 was supposed to use is now 33, but they entered what is now 25R at a significantly shortened point.
Echoing a couple of other commenters, a diagram of the runway shown momentarily at some point would have enhanced the narrative.
As always, Allec, excellent video. It's a shame though, and not your fault, to see spoilers immediately, even before watching. Without even going into the comments. It seems certain people don't know how to, or don't bother to not spoil it. It's absolutely very easy to comment without giving the entire video away. Happy holidays, Allec.
Heavy 🌫️ fog should equal no fly ✈️❌🚫🤷😒
The freight can wait.
I like a happy ending.