The GHOST HOST Changed... AGAIN
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- I guess we gotta do this now. Disney just looooooooves dropping merchendise that entirely flips the Haunted Mansion story on it's head. Actually I think this is the first time it's happened. BUT STILL! Why do they gotta do it?
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Here’s an idea: they could both be master Gracie. The aging man is him in his early 20s or late teens, hatchet man is him maybe his mid-40s after he’s gone insane
I said the same thing lil
They're either the same guy or keep it ambiguous. The mystery is half the fun.
THIS
I thought the same thing, they look similar enough.
Nah, they don't have the same head shape to be the same person.
The Disney Store is what officially broke Dallin.
I worked there for 5 years, it also broke me.
@@lostghoooul f
at least in the meantime you got plenty of other people broken as well lol
Damn you Disney Springs!
Yeah
i’ve worked at the mansion in disney world for a while- hatchet man is not master gracey. the ghost host is beauregard the butler, master gracey’s butler if you will. this merchandise drop is SO frustrating to us maids and butlers and the mansion. i could literally talk about this for HOURS!
Just curious, was this naming by the cast members or by higher-ups?
Yet, early promotional recordings have Paul Frees say a twist on his standard spiel that has him refer to himself as *The lord & master of this Haunted Mansion* [ ruclips.net/video/gknmP6cZXrg/видео.html ] & even the _Story & Song_ [ ruclips.net/video/l_qRCqw8LZs/видео.html ] has the Ghost Host therein tell teens Mike (Ron Howard) & Karen (Robbie Lester) that they wouldn't be harmed, but that they *"would not be released until you take a tour of MY home"* with the emphasis on the word MY indicating ownership over the house, thus further adding to the confusion.
Someone also did an animatic for the "Human Story" promotional radio ad to promote the attraction's grand opening, which played up to the idea that the Ghost Host sired offspring, in which his ghost child (whom fans may or may not believe to be "Little Leota", per fan speculation) asks her father to tell her a story about humans & he tells her about how the Haunted Mansion is allowing human visitors to come in & get scared, much to her surprise. After asking her dad if he believes in humans, the animatic pans up to the Ghost Host to see his response (which was, "I don't know, but I do believe in Disneyland") & the artist who did the animatic chose to depict him as the Hatchet Man instead of the Aging Man Hanging Portrait that's usually associated with Master Gracey.
The animatic can be viewed here: ruclips.net/video/uetqEgnBRsg/видео.html
Similarly, various adaptations (from _The Haunted Mansion Comic Book_ by SLG Comics, the _Tales from the Haunted Mansion_ book series, the 2003 movie starring Eddie Murphy, the 2 Epic Mickey videogames, etc.) also tend to combine pre-2007 refurb Attic Bride Beating Heart (who has went under various names: Priscilla Gore [Ken Anderson's Captain Gore abandoned plotline], Emily Cavanaugh Gracey nee De Claire [the Ghost Gallery formerly located at doombuggies.com from whence the 3 Hitchhiking Ghosts -- bony skeleton Ezra, portly carpetbagger Phineas & bearded prisoner Gus -- and alligator bait tightrope walker Sally Slater got their seemingly official names, _The Haunted Mansion Comic Book_ from SLG Comics, and even DeviantArt fan artist TwistedWind's _Count Mickey Dragul_ unofficial fan comic], Sally Little [the _Tales from the Haunted Mansion_ book series], Elizabeth Henshaw [the 2003 movie starring Eddie Murphy], and Bernadette [done for alliterative reasons, she can be found located floating near her tombstone in the graveyard within the 2 Epic Mickey video games' Lonesome Manor level], whatever the Japanese named Beating Heart at Tokyo Disneyland, etc.) with schizoid Black Widow Bride Constance Hatchaway when they're two completely different characters (as proven by the fact that Beating Heart still exists at Tokyo Disneyland & the fact that her thudding heartbeat can still be heard on the ride soundtrack during the Attic scene despite having been unfairly replaced by Constance Hatchaway stateside, even though Constance, as a murderous Black Widow, shouldn't have a heart worth beating, not due to the fact that she's already dead, but simply just because she's NOT forlornly heartbroken like her tragic predecessor & is instead a conniving bitch whom all of the other remaining 997 Happy Haunts rightfully fear aside from a certain leering haberdasher, who may or may not have been an accomplice in helping Connie axe murder her 5 husbands in order to tie the returned Hatbox Ghost into the post-2007 refurb story thread pertaining to Connie as the replacement Attic Bride following his 2015 return to the original Disneyland attraction, although I'm sure even Hattie would very much prefer to have Beating Heart back, since his disappearing head trick was intended to synch up with Beating Heart's glowing heartbeat).
The irony of Constance Hatchaway replacing Beating Heart stateside in 2007 came full circle with the release of _Nuptial Doom_ with the irony being that although it retold one of the origins of Beating Heart (the tragically forlorn pre-2007 Attic Bride predating Constance, the subsequent Black Widow Bride), the story was actually narrated by Kat Cressida, the voice actress for Constance!
_Nuptial Doom_ can be heard here: ruclips.net/video/Bu0-bElhDY8/видео.html
TLDR version: Beating Heart is a heartbroken Attic Bride whose story - similar to Melanie Ravenswood's of Phantom Manor - was one of tragic lost love, whereas Constance Hatchaway is a selfish, murderous Black Widow who only wed her 5 husbands for their vast wealth & their high society positions.
So, they are 2 completely different characters!
The same is true for Master Gracey & the Ghost Host as also previously mentioned, yet even Disney itself tends to confuse the lot of them.
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OK I LOVED the Eddie Murphy haunted mansion movie. He did it well. The man is a talented storyteller who does NOT get enough credit as an artist
OK so the aging man is master Gracie, but the caretaker is the ghost host( hatchet man?)
I don't think Disney as the Ghost Host would have worked:
"To all who come to this haunted place, welcome"
yeah, but... enough folks claim that Walt's ghost roams the park that it would be freaky if it were his voice doing that narration
@@jasonkrynicky3170 That's just the Grim Grinning Walt coming out to socialise.
It's freaking perfect
If u were dead, would you go to work?!?😅
@@cherylmaden5989 If I end up with a personalised Hell, then yes I would be.
Hi Dallin!!!
I'm a cast member at WDW and I can confirm a few things after doing a CM tour of The Haunted Mansion. First off, the hatchet man is INDEED the ghost host. Second off, the aging man in the main hall before the stretching room is NOT Master Gracey. It is quite often confused for that, but it is simply an homage to The Picture of Dorian Gray. Master Gracey, if you actually look at the graves outside, was a 12 year old child that lived in the mansion. Kinda' morbid, but that's what I found out.
Hope that helps!
this makes sense, as "master" was often used to refer to boys rather than grown men.
Yeah
I felt that "Why, Disney, why, what do you have to gain?" in the depths of my soul
Bob Cheap*ss needs a new mansion...
money. they have to gain money. duh.
di$ney just does stuff, the people in charge could honestly care less.
Damn
It doesn't say this is a statue of Master Gracey, but rather something from his sketchbook. Was he an artist, and this is from one of his drawings of those whose fate lays with the Manison?
I personally like to think that the mansion was owned by many different people, like Constance after she killed the fifth husband. I like to think that Captain gore first owned the mansion because of the weather vein. Maybe he built the mansion, and him and his wife were the first to die in it.
I’d like to think that the Ghost Host is, in fact, one of the Masters of the household at one point and was the one who brought about the hauntings in the first place.
When you look at the portrait of the Ghost Host, his attire is more akin to that of the early 19th century (1810’s-1820’s) whereas Master Gracey’s attire is more Mid-19th century in appearance.
Similarly, Constance has clothing that’s post-bellum attire leading up to the late 19th century.
So, it’s reasonable to assume that the Ghost Host was one of the first people to haunt the mansion, effectively cursing it and those who resided within it.
@@MatthewChenault I like to think that all the people/families that lived in the mansion all had tragic fates,( like Constance murdering her husbands, the roof collapsing from Bloodmere Manor, and Captain Gore killed his wife and himself). All the tragedies have caused the house to become cursed, and the perfect place for a retirement home for ghosts.
I like that: weather "Vein" rather than "Vane". Gruesomely clever. I hope that was intentional, I didn't mean to open a critical comment. Open........ a Vein. See what I did there?
Maybe there were two Masters Gracey because after the first one died his son inherited the Mansion.
An important aspect to remember is that a “Host” is a person who receive guests, which is usually the person who has held the party.
It’s likely that the “Ghost Host” is, in fact, the Master of the household at one point.
You have to remember: a plantation house, which the Haunted Mansion in Disneyland is based upon, would have multiple “Masters” over time. As the old owner of the house died or left, the next person to control the house would become the “Master” of the house.
Rather, I’d argue that Master Gracy was a *later* master of the household whereas the Ghost Host was the *Original* Master of the house who may have brought about the curse upon the household.
Good theory
Not to mention they might be related. The first Master Gracey could be the Ghost Host and then of course he reproduces, has kids. And when he dies the house passes onto the next of kin who also bears the name Gracey.
Pretty simple when you put it that way.
@@pearlthecryptid3836 I agree, both are master Gracey. Father and son. I think the original master Gracey is the changing man and then he had a son mater Gracey the Ghost Host. The Father and everyone else dies in horrible ways, leaving the younger Mater Gracey to go mad and eventually hang himself to escape.
Or it could be Uncle and Nephew.
@@tjtennisicmroll2k mind bottling
You said you feel like your missing something, you are: This isn’t the first character name that Was applied to Hatchet Man and someone else. The Haunted Mansion anthology books feature Mansion Librarian Amicus Arcane as a narrator connecting the various stories who bears a striking resemblance to the Hatchet Man, but when Disney put out the Host a Ghost merch with ghosts in jars, Amicus looked entirely different. If Hatchet Man, who is clearly the Ghost Host as pointed out so many times, gets equated with both Arcane and Gracey, then one could make the argument this is a case of stolen identity.
Picture this: A librarian, Amicus Arcane, is hired to take care of the priceless collection of Master Gracey, only for him to be bumped off and some unknown vagabond taking his place when arriving at the mansion. That “Arcane” tries the same thing with Gracey and becomes the owner of the mansion. He then gets trapped in a secret room he is unable to exit, forcing him to find his own way out [diabolic laughter]
I was straight up looking for a comment about the books and Amicus Arcane before I commented on it myself!
It's also possible Amicus Arcane is the Ghost Host's penname, but yeah the way he's written is pretty blatant he's supposed to be the Ghost Host
Who's to say it can't be both? It could be where one portrait is him as a young man and the other is him after he's aged and obviously been driven to a really bad mental place. I've seen people make even more drastic changes over time without any intervention from a particular type of doctor so I could believe that he just had a really rough few decades!
My Head Canon has always been:
1: hanging man in the portrait is neither Ghost Host nor Master Gracey, he was actually a butler/caretaker and one of the last living in the house (besides the grave keeper and pupper).
2: Aging man is Master Gracey but also not the Ghost Host.
3: The Ghost Host is actually the house itself. The Host is talking in a possessive form. How there's always room for another and there's always my way. As if it is what lures and keeps the spirits. I think the house itself is what slowly drives people insane and the spirits that reside there are just a cacophony of unrelated, unfortunate people that found their way there. The widows watch and the weather vane are symbolic not of constance waiting for a lost seafaring love. but a house welcoming anyone as a port in a storm. It is predatory in the entire spiel.. being coy and welcoming at first then cackling maniacally as it dares you to try and leave, showing you its last victim. hatchet man hanging.
Edit: more points supporting my theory.
1. The ride is named Haunted Mansion because the house is the central character. Much like the pirates in Pirates of the Caribbean.
2. The voice claims to be your ghost host. So not a ghost itself per say, but a "host" of ghosts.
Interesting, I like this theory
Yes, this was always the story of the ride as I understood it! The "Ghost Host" has to be the house, or the malevolent spirit possessing the house, and he invites you in warmly in order to trap you in the mansion as a ghost forever. I never saw the Hanging Man as the Ghost Host - he's just showing you what happened to the last person who entered, and enticing you to do the same to yourself. THIS is what made the ride terrifying to me as a child (along with all the other references to death, of course). It's also a way more magical interpretation than "the Ghost Host was an actual person", which makes it more believable as Disney's actual intent. I think only adults, who tend to overlook magical explanations and overthink things, would insist the Ghost Host be a real person. The ride has way more impact on children for that reason.
@@LeannLeannProduction Right, and throw in that anthropomorphism is kinda of a key trait of Disney stories, its all the more believable that the house itself is the main character of the story. Great summation!
OOoooooooooooh, I like this theory...
The current VA of the Ghost Host (Corey Burton) shares the broad strokes of this theory actually, and while it's not my personal headcanon is is very very interesting
Can’t Master Gracey be the Ghost Host as he ages and decays? It makes sense.
Let's be real. Dalin is the Ghost Host. Dalin has always been our Ghost Host. Thank you Offhand Disney for such fun videos on one of the greatest attractions of all time!
Merchandise consistently gets things wrong about the mansion. This is them just putting a name on something they think will sell. That hanging man is not master Gracey but is the Ghost Host
The thing is, even early promotion from Paul Frees himself further confuses parkgoers, because in one of the early recordings used to entice guests to visit the attraction's grand opening in 1969, Paul Frees does a twist on his standard spiel, which went something like this: "Welcome Foolish Mortals! I am your host, your Ghost Host. *The lord & master of this Haunted Mansion.* Inside & outside and even between the walls of this possessed manor are ghosts, brought here from tombs all across the Earth. Heinous but delightful creatures, every one. All 999 of them! But we have room for a thousand. Any volunteers?"
You know, portrait painters were known to sometimes…. Smooth away the, er, less then pleasing aspects of their subjects. (Particularly if said subjects were rich.) It’s entirely possible it’s the same man in both portraits, one done later in life, with the master of the house made eccentric by years of living with ghosts and wanting a more honest picture.
Very true, I can see this happening
Why not both? The first Master Gracey was the father. He died and stayed so his son became the 2nd Master Gracey
"Master Gracey Sketchbook"? Maybe it's based on a sketch of the Ghost Host...in Master Gracey's sketchbook.
I literally saw this ornament in the park today and thought, "Huh, weird choice." All of the other ornaments in the collection make sense. Constance? Iconic. Hitchhiking ghosts? Obviously. This ambiguous Amicus Arcane/Master Gracey/Ghost Host hobo looking dude that they have been putting in merch more recently? No. I wonder how many of these have sold. I'd also like to imagine someone with this on their Christmas tree having loved ones over for a party or something and them asking, "Hey, who's this creepy guy on your lovely tree?" and the owner having to explain the contents of this video to them and providing their personal opinion on the matter to some poor unsuspecting family member.
I feel like I stepped into a time warp or something... As an old member of Doombuggies, I always took it for granted - as did everyone else it seemed - that the aging man, hatchet man, Ghost Host, and Master Gracey are all the same person. The aging man and hatchet man are wearing the same clothes. The hatchet man is certainly mean to be the suicide victim in the stretching room, who is clearly the Ghost Host. The aging man is implied to be the Ghost Host, it's just a slightly more realistic portrait. The only thing I remember anyone disputing is whether or not Master Gracey was really anybody or just a "Master" in the sense of all children in the 19th century being called "Master" by the servants.
A potential theory to explain the story of the Haunted Mansion:
The Ghost Host was the original master of the household. He was the master of the plantation house that would become the Haunted Mansion. At some point in his life, he became psychologically paranoid and - either due to the grief of some crime he committed or in his own madness - he had hung himself from the rafters of the attic.
Presumed to be lost and having died elsewhere, the mansion would go on to have multiple different owners, which would include Master Gracey - the second master of the household - who lived prior to and during the American Civil War. Either he was killed during the war or suffered from some affliction that ended his life at an older age (pneumonia, stroke, TB, etc).
After his passing, the mansion went on to the next (and final) owner: Constance Hatchaway. We all know what she’d do with her husbands, which would later cement the place as a haunted mansion.
After her passing, the grounds would eventually be purchased by the City of New Orleans as a new burial ground for the city’s burgeoning population. Much like many plantations nearby developing urban centers, the land would be utilized as a planned-out cemetery project. However, the cemetery would suffer from poor management, resulting in it’s decrepit, rough appearance.
I like the theory that it's actually been turned into a cemetery, that explains the number of graves and ghosts so well
@@rattyeely, that’s because I based the theory on real life. The one example that comes to mind is Oakwood Cemetery in Richmond, Virginia. It was originally farmland that had been purchased by the City of Richmond in the 1850’s as a means of dealing with their overcrowding issues in their current cemeteries.
Similar cases happened throughout the south where a major urban center, either desperately needing space to bury the dead or seeking to future proof any expected growth, would buy farmland and convert it into a cemetery.
To add to the intrigue, many of the city-owned cemeteries that don’t have proper foundations dedicated to their preservation often end up becoming decrepit with various degrees of deferred maintenance occurring with them.
Seems like the ornament description was probably written by an employee who had limited knowledge of the Haunted Mansion, and is likely just a mistake.
Agreed! ♡
I just want to see Bob Paycheck walk out on the stage and announce his goddamn resignation.
He finally did it 🎉🍾
Could the hatchet man be “Master Gracey” the father and original owner of the house who went crazy, hung himself and is now the ghost host? Then the aging man could be “Master Gracey”, the son who went crazy because his fathers spirit still lurks the house in the form of a raven. That’s the only way I see it working…most likely merchandise department didn’t consult the story department on this merch drop but hey fun times for us story nerds!! Great vid as always.
Ultimately: master in this instance is a title is for a young man. He is nothing more than a child connected enough to the one-time ownership of the mansion to be buried there. There's no way of getting round that, and I don't care what Disney comes up with!
alternate title: offhand disney having an existential crisis over a christmas ornament
I'm not gonna lie I was definitely about to defend offhand to the death and then I realized... We're really sitting here having a crisis (like you said)... Over an ornament. I really sat here speechless for a moment bc I'm just as worked up as him lmao
@@stefalspaugh5362 lol i'm as worked up as he is ngl... offhand i'd crisis is valid 😅
I wonder if this could have something to do with the new upcoming movie. They might want a Ghost Host who matches with the voice in the movie.
I think you are probably 100% correct
Not quite sure this is the case. I cheated and looked at the IMDB page, there was no "Ghost Host" in the character list. Ohhh! Maybe they'll reveal one in a mid-credit scene!!
You can never do too many Haunted Mansion video vlogs. So, keep them coming.
Growing up and visiting Disneyland as well as the Haunted Mansion, I never considered who the voice belonged to, and never even questioned that it was Master Gracie. But when you piece things together, the hanging man in the stretching room, the tombstone outside bearing Gracie’s name, you start to see a pattern. I’m not saying I know the answer, but I am saying Disney is trying to do with the Haunted Mansion, with what they did to the Pirates of the Caribbean, create a solid story plot.
The Haunted Mansion movie was quaint. Eddie Murphy did his usual job of comedy. And I don’t take away that this was good as a comedy, but I think it should have been less campy. Having said that, Disney tried to tell the story of who the hanging man is in the Haunted Mansion. I think overall they succeeded, if done in a tongue-in-cheek manner.
So here is my take on this, after all the evidence has been put before me. The disembodied voice is that of Master Gracie. It is proven by his statement about “ There is always MY way.” Clearly suggesting he hung himself, which coincides with the movie plot. Any and all paintings of said Gracie, is all the same person. Just depicted differently. The reason Disney chose the character they used in the Christmas ornament is probably because it looks gruesome and more in keeping with the theme, rather than a young Master Gracie.
The fact that none of this seems plausible, is because over the years, the rumors from fans had different ideas as to what the Haunted Mansion is all about, and Disney, through a movie, decided to settle the debate. Now if they do a second movie, we may see that they have “fleshed” (pardon the pun) out the storyline, or decided to change it yet again. They do that in movies, disregarding previous movies, and ultimately saddening the hearts of devoted fans.
So there you have it. My unsolicited thoughts on who is who. Never let be said that I didn’t kill this whole idea, and make a grave mistake on the body in question. ❤️❤️
It's just good that you took a stab at it😉
This sounds like it could be the case, great theory!
This is exactly the theory and points that I had. I see the body hanging in the stretching room and know the Ghost Host says "There's always MY way", hinting that the body hanging from the rafters is HIS, which is exactly how Master Gracey hung himself in the movie, in roughly the same place as it would be in the Haunted Mansion's Stretching Room.
@@kaleemarie13 The problem? The movie follows - loosely - the notions of the ride before the 2007 refurb, including the tragic fate of the Attic Bride. Now, Constance Hatchaway is an axe murdering Black Widow, who starkly contrasts against her forlorn, melancholy predecessor, who has gone under many names, but is officially known as Beating Heart (for obvious reasons).
I feel that they did this to have some sort of tie to the Phantom Manor’s hanged man. Og story and the one the movie borrowed from was that the man in the stretching room was Melanie’s fiancé who would have become the master of the house through marriage; in the movie Master Gracey was the master who was jilted by his bride and then he hung himself in his grief. I used to go back and forth on whether the master gracey and hatchet man were the same person, but I at least knew that the hatchet man was the ghost host.
It could be that Aging Man was a Master Gracey from years prior as the title would pass down from father to son and that hatchet man is a descendant who is trapped by his duty to the mansion
I like to think the the Ghost Host was the head butler of the mansion and over time the family he served died out. Ever the loyal servant he did his best to keep the mansion in its glory for the next family who moved in. After a time, he went mad from loneliness and without anyone to serve, murdered a bunch of people for company and when he realized that his company were on the other side of the veil, he joined them. When he came to as a ghost he decided to be the consummate host to all the living people are touring the mansion hoping to get one more person to join his ghostly guest in their eternal home
Phantom Manor and the Haunted Mansion have completely different narratives. Haunted Mansion's is loose & not very well defined, whereas Phantom Manor's is concrete & stable (right down to the Phantom being her vengeful father, Henry Ravenswood, back from the dead following the 2018 refurb).
I would prefer that none of the Ghosts be named at all. As a “scary” ride, it’s far more effective to not know and let your imagination run away. Yes I agree that most Disney attractions do better with a back story. That’s just where this specific one differs. It’s far more foreboding not knowing and only knowing you’ll never know until you bring your death certificate and move in.
Madame Leota has always been the sole exception to the rule.
I argue that only having some ghosts have backstories is the best solution. That way we can create larger stories in our imaginations. If nothing was named we’d be making up stories about each ghost, if we know a little we’re speculating on overarching stories and connections
@@apolloparks3686 Which they totally began throwing out the window with the movie which we can decide is non canon if we want. Then continued with that awful bride which is very much canon.
@@TheNotverysocial The thing is, much like the Ghost Host/Hatchet Man/Master Gracey/Aging Man Portrait confusion, merchandise also likes to perpetuate the idea that Constance the Black Widow Bride is the same character as her tragic forlorn predecessor with the glowing beating heart & thudding heartbeat.
The problem? Beating Heart's gone by countless names (Priscilla Gore for the Captain Gore origin developed by Ken Anderson, Emily Cavanaugh Gracey nee De Claire for the Ghost Gallery as well as _The Haunted Mansion Comic Book_ created by SLG Comics, Elizabeth Henshaw for the 2003 farce film starring Eddie Murphy, and Bernadette for alliterative purposes in the Lonesome Manor level found within Bog Easy inside of the Epic Mickey videogames, etc.), but her origin of being a tragic homicide or suicide victim whom fans actually felt pity for has always been maintained, regardless. In fact, it is STILL maintained at Tokyo Disneyland even to this day (since Japan's version of the attraction never carried over the 2007 updates that added Constance Hatchaway to supplant Beating Heart).
Constance Hatchaway, by comparison, is -- in all honesty -- a selfish, axe-murdering bitch. What's ironic about this is that Disney actually released _Nupital Doom_ (a retelling of one of Beating Heart's origin stories centered around her falling in love with a sea captain who was suspected of being a nefarious pirate [in a homage to the Captain Gore story], but her nobleman father already had her arranged to be married to someone else with high standing, only to be swayed by the Captain's roguish charm & his fulfilled promise to create a lavish antebellum Mansion along the bayou river, however when the Captain left to go on another voyage, the nobleman was having second thoughts about allowing his lovestruck daughter to marry the Captain, so he lied to his daughter by telling her that the Captain she had fallen in love with had died at sea, which led to her running away in tears to the Mansion that was made for her by her beloved & holding herself up in the Attic, with her telling herself that the Captain would eventually return & that the candle she held in her lithe hand would remain lit until they were reunited once more, however by the time he had indeed returned, the nobleman was now worried for his daughter's well-being, so he sent the strongest & stoutest men to break into the Mansion & break down the Attic door, but nothing they did could budge it, prompting the Captain to stride into the Mansion himself & head straight for the Attic to retrieve his Bride, with the door swinging open freely at his touch, but his beloved Bride was seemingly nowhere to be found, with it being implied that she had died either from a combination of isolation & starvation as inferred by the snuffed out candle wick OR she had escaped out of the smashed Attic window in an attempt to find the Captain on her own & sadly drowned in the boggy swampland marsh surrounding the Mansion's grounds, which in turn led to the Captain hanging himself in the rafters [in a nod towards the Ghost Host/Master Gracey narrative]; Naturally, ever since then, the swamp's been drained & it has been paved over with concrete & currently houses a personal cemetery for all of the ghostly residents that now haunt the Mansion, but the woe befallen Bride's heartbeat can still be heard in the Attic even to this day, although this no longer makes any sense with schizoid psycho Constance Hatchaway now taking up Beating Heart's position inside of the American Haunted Mansions), BUT the true irony comes in when you realize that _Nuptial Doom_ [ ruclips.net/video/Bu0-bElhDY8/видео.html ] is actually narrated by Kat Cressida, the voice actress for Constance!
In addition to this, there's also the obvious fact that most black widows are self-serving & do not actually love their various husbands, given that they typically only marry them for their vast fortunes and/or their high society status, so by that logic, Constance shouldn't have a heart worth beating (and yet as we've just addressed, the preceding Beating Heart Bride's persistent heartbeat can still be heard on the soundtrack when you find yourself in the Attic whilst onboard the ride & Connie -- using a badly done digital effect to imply possession of an empty dress dummy wearing the Black Widow Bride's wedding gown -- isn't spouting corny puns correlating marriage to death ["Here comes the Bride", "For better or...worse", "As long as we both shall live", "I do...and I did", "'Until death...do us part", etc.]), not only because she's already dead, but rather, because Connie's greedy & only cares for herself, so much so that even the other 998 Happy Haunts rightfully fear her).
All of the above that I mentioned regarding Constance starkly contrasts against the sorrowful origins of her Beating Heart predecessor, whom we've pointed out has always maintained a crestfallen tragic love story.
@@TherealRNOwwfpooh I would certainly hope when Constance Hatchaway died she drowned. A fitting ending for one like that.
I'd say that the Aging Man is the real Master Gracey, the one buried out front. Perhaps the Host started calling himself Gracey because people in the area would recognize the name.
If they drop more merch, I might change my mind, but in my option, your opinion sounds more accurate. #RevealTheGhostHost
Here me out: The pirate looking master Gracey is the OG (that's why there are ships throughout the ride), but the aging master Gracey stole his identity (possibly a murder) for the mansion/land. Maybe they are slowly setting up the storyline. Idk just a thought.
I feel like I was solving one of those grid elimination puzzles where based on a set of clues you have to figure out which name goes with which profession which goes with which dog breed.
There are pins sold in Momento Mori that read “I am your ghost host” with an image of a ghoul attached. That same ghoul can be spotted in the outdoor graveyard scene of the ride watching the riders (ghost host?). Hard to describe without having an actual image, though.
Ok, here we go: The Ghost Host is Mister Gracey (aka Gracey Sr.) his clothes are quite a bit older than Gracey Jr. aka Master Gracey. You know how Alfred always calls Bruce *Master* Wayne after *Mister* Wayne died? Same thing here. Gracey Sr. was the first owner of the house and the first to haunt it. His suicide (maybe due to his wife’s death?) cursed the mansion, and attracted the evil Constance, who convinced Hightower to buy it after Gracey Jr also died.
The biggest whole one this theory for me is who the Hatbox Ghost is. Maybe he was a spirit that drove Gracey Sr mad to the point he killed himself?
In some stories, Hattie is a haberdasher/dress designer for the Ghost Host's ill-fated Bride (Beating Heart), yet the _Story & Song_ [ ruclips.net/video/l_qRCqw8LZs/видео.html ] seems to imply that Hattie and Beating Heart are connected, since it was the case originally that Hattie's disappearing and reappearing head trick was supposed to synch up with Beating Heart's glowing heartbeat. Now, murderous Black Widow Bride Constance Hatchaway-Hightower has supplanted Beating Heart & a lot of old-school doombugs aren't happy about it, especially since Beating Heart still exists at Tokyo Disneyland, her thudding heartbeat can still be heard on the ride soundtrack during the Attic scene, and a retelling of one of Beating Heart's many origins, titled _Nuptial Doom_ [ ruclips.net/video/Bu0-bElhDY8/видео.html ], was ironically narrated by Kat Creissida, the voice actress for Constance!
I would asume this might be a listing mistake, for all we know they might have had a Master Gracey version unrevealed or in the works and it got misnamed, because this entire problem can be solved by just renaming it the ghost host...
The host of the manor would be the master of the house. He's a host ghost, so it's his house. Master can refer to both guests and the owner of the house, it just depends on who is talking.
Up until about 5 years ago, the phantom at Phantom Manor was not necessarily the ghost host. That was cemented during the big refurb. Before that, the story and characters were shrouded in mystery. So they basically did the same there as their doing now to the mansion.
It’s also possible that the aging man became the ghost host with “living” age, then deaded himself.
I like the idea that they're the same guy for this reason:
The corpse of Master Gracey hangs in the rafters above the Stretching Room, but there's a tombstone outside that implies a body lies under it. It's almost like a cover-up. As to who is covering it up, I don't know and I have some theories, but it's a really fun aspect to this to think about.
My lukewarm take to help Dallin take a breather:
They are both Master Gracey AND the Ghost Host.
Despite their differences, there are enough similarities in their looks that it's reasonable to presume that they are just different visual takes on the same person. Like an "artist's interpretation", if you will. There could be an age difference, making both circumstances fit into a single timeline for a single person, as well.
The muddling of the naming convention across the merch leads one to the conclusion that the titles are interchangeable between the two. It can even be reasonable that the aging that occurs is what happens to the visage of the Ghost Host in their post-life visage, making it at least plausible that the two can co-exist as the same person.
That's just my headcanon, though, and YMMV. It's improbable, sure, but is a convenient way to mesh all the confusing bits of lore that were never hard confirmed, while taking into account all the different and conflicting things that are available to theorize about surrounding this.
One is the Ghost Host for WDW, the other is the Ghost Host of DL, so they both are Ghost Hosts. They are two very different mansions on the outside. Or its possible they are both the same person, one is Master Gracey is his mortal form, the other is the Master Gracey after he died and is his ghost form. Dying from hanging would alter your face, make your eyes pop out a bit. So it's a picture of his body after he died and partially decomposed.
The Disney Store HAS RELABELED the ornament and it is nolonger attributed to Gracey but now simply "Ghost Host"!
Nahhh! It's a "marketing ploy" to sell more Christmas ornaments. Plus Disney forgot what they sold already. They care little If any to story line & continuity. They broke a "rule" they had that other studios thought of the movie goers. That "they are STUPID and won't notice the flaw". One of my favorite "Master scenes" Mary Poppins (Step in Time dance sequence. Hermonie while dancing with chimney sweep.) "It's the MASTER!" When Mr. Bank returns home.
Disney Store really said
“Yeah this is probably Master Gracey idk I didn’t read the manga”
“What kind of fool do you take me for? He’s Gracey, you’re Gracey, I’M Gracey… are there any other Graceys I should know about?!!”
Within the canon of the 2023 movie (& a few other sources), THE HATBOX GHOST IS THE GHOST HOST. What if when he says “there’s always my way out” and shows the hanging man, he’s not showing how he died, but how Master Gracey died, and ties in with how the hatbox ghost convinced Gracy to commit suicide. This whole thing is a mess.
"...No, my first name ain't "Baby", it's Hatbox! Mr. Ghost, if you're nasty."
-- with apologies to Ms. Jackson
How can Disney mix up THE BUTLER (hatchet guy) for Master Gracey (the aging man)?!? Ahhhh! It’s madness!!!!
Once again we thoroughly enjoyed this video! I will never tire of anything to do with the Haunted Mansion, so, keep them coming 🙂
I saw that ornament online and KNEW this video was coming! Yeah!
They are both pictures of Master Gracey the Ghost Host. Master Gracey hung him self in the movie and the portrait in the ride is a caricature of Master Gracey. The aging man is a portrait of Master Gracey.
My theory on the identity of the ghost host is this. The hatchet man is the ghost host, he’s also the aging man, his name is Master Gracey, he takes the form of a raven, and his REAL name is JEAN LAFITTE!
Perhaps there are two Graceys. The aging man is actually the owner of the mansion, while the hatchet man is his younger brother (or some other relative), also named Gracey.
Both are Master Gracey(Either father/Son or ancestor/descendent but familial relation). Hatchet Man Gracey is the Ghost Host and flies around as a raven.
Dallin: What kind of fool do you take me for? He's the Ghost Host, he's the Ghost Host, you're the Ghost Host. I'M THE GHOST HOST! Are there any other Ghost Hosts I should know about?
Mysterious raven: Meow.
Dallin: 😑 I'm outta here.
It’s a sketchbook ornament, so based on a sketch from before the mansion was created - so not cannon - just like candleman etc
The listing for the ornament also said "sketchbook", so maybe that was an early concept sketch?
That pin of Master Gracey and the portrait of the aging man looks allot like Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon church!
The question is if the body in the stretching room is physically there or if it is an apparition. If it is physically there, that removes the possibility that Master Gracie is the ghost host as there would be no tombstone if there was no body. If it’s an apparition, then it is possible to be Gracie. Considering the hanging man is a rotted corpse, I’m in the camp that the body is still physically present and my own head cannon is he was the last person in the house driven to take his own life. Therefore there was no one to cut down the body.
But who’s to say they aren’t both Master Gracie as you mentioned…”Master” is just a title the same as mister. The aging man could be the father and hatchet man the son. As the aging man died, the hatchet man inherited the house.
The Fast Pass Facts Film Haunted Mansion Origins said that The HatBox Ghost is one of Constance Hatchaways Husbands, and of course you said in your Film who owns The Haunted Mansion 2 that Constance Hatchaway is the owner of The Haunted Mansion from what I Remember, anyway this is a great Film I Believe the Man on the Thimble is the Ghost Host and yes I Believe the Aging Man in the Photo is Master Gracy if I'm wrong then will have to wait until the next Offhand Disney Haunted Mansion Film although I Believe The Man on Thimble is The Ghost Host
Chapek walking on stage at D23
“I’m the ghost host.”
*Headstrong by Trapt plays*
😂😆🕸️👻💜💙🖤💚
I’ve always just thought that the ghost host was an entity that hung around the mansion and that the changing portrait was Master Gracey. Just to keep things simple in my head.
It's very clear that Master Gracey is not the Ghost Host, at least in the Disneyland mansion. Either they made a mistake, they don't care and thought we wouldn't notice, or they're being so inconsistent because Disneyland and WDW have different stories for who our host is and they want the merch to be able to cater to both coasts.
The same goes for Constance the Black Widow Bride & her forlorn heart-beating predecessor, because Connie, as an axe murderess, shouldn't have a heart worth beating, whereas Beating Heart's story has always been that of a tragic lost love (similar to Melanie Ravenswood of Phantom Manor) whether or not the Attic Bride herself is a homicide or suicide victim, depending on the version of the narrative told. Since Beating Heart still exists at Tokyo Disneyland, that also means she & Connie are two different characters, as well.
I never realized the reason the Haunted Mansion bombed was because they got the lore of Master Gracey wrong.
Makes sense; I agree.
No. It bombed because it focused too damn much on Eddie Murphy's unfunny comedy rather than the actual ghosts whom The Haunted Mansion ride revolves around.
@@TherealRNOwwfpooh I don’t know, man. That’s what’s used to think, but my man Dal here makes a good case.
For a bit I thought like someone else said that they're the same character at different ages/points in their life but as a reply to that pointed out they have completely different headshapes and the portrait shows us the aging man's skeletal form so we know he doesn't change that much but as you orself pointed out; master in the context just means mister. Which makes it easy to say that they are still both master Gracey not in that they are the same character but they are both a Mr. Gracey, a man with the Gracey surname. They're not the same, they're related.
They corrected the listing now
Master Gracey looks like someone Jack Davis would've drawn.
btw, that's a compliment, not an insult.
Maybe we have young Gracie then older, deranged, possessed Gracie? Or maybe they're brothers and they have a similar voice and take turns being the Ghost Host? Or maybe Disney can't get it together? Most likely the last one.
...wouldn't it be possible for there to be two Master Graceys? the Master of the House and the Young Master? Master used to be the proper way to address an unmarried man, so it's possible that one Master Gracey is a high-ranking lord who used to live in the mansion and the other is his unmarried brother, cousin, son or nephew. only one of them, the one in the aging portrait, is buried outside the mansion. the Master of the House is most likely Master Gracey depicted in the aging portrait, and Young Master Gracey could be the Ghost Host. there, problem solved.
The current version of the Ghost Host resembles Vexen. Maybe they're trying to hint at a Haunted Mansion world in an upcoming Kingdom Hearts game, maybe KH4
The WDW Haunted Mansion backstage tour tells us that Master Gracey is the aging man and hatchet hanging man is the ghost host, so that's the canon i believe ☕. It appears that the "products" section of DPEP isn't communicating with the "parks" section.
Try this: Master Gracie hanging is Senior and the aging man is Gracie Junior. Constance is Junior's daughter and she killed her daddy and thus he became the HatBox Ghost.
I never knew the Haunted Mansion had lore I thought at most it was a Disney ride with 1 movie and a video game
Constance can't be the owner of the Mansion being that she is dead too.
Also, the ornament is called Master Gracey Sketchbook Ornament. This could just mean that it us based on a picture found in his sketchbook, not of himself.
For me, the Ghost Host I his own identity. He shows us a hanged man as an example of "My Way", but it's not necessarily him.
I really don't care about the other two guys. The Mansion is better when it's a mystery and you make it whatever you want.
I think the real Master Gracey was the friends we made along the way…
Supposedly it's a typo. If you are lucky enough to get your hands on one it will be worth some coin in years to come. Expect a re-release of the correct name on the tag, "Hatchet Man" 🤷♂️
Well it will now say Ghost Host! I'm not sure if they shipped it out with the Master Gracey label! If so hang on to it! 😉
It was updated on the shop Disney website today. It is now listed as a ghost host ornament now.
Here's a idea. Their both master gracey. In his early 20s he married constance and was driven to kill her when she tried to claim his head. Afterwards he was slowly driven insane by her and the other ghosts until he hung himself in the turret. The changing portrait is his normal portrait showing his impending death. The hallway portrait is from after his death. He became the ghost host to help any who decide to explore the mansion escape from constance who would use her powers to harm them if not for master gracey's presence.
Just an idea I had watching this.
Well, the 2023 film seems to side with most fans. Master Gracey was the owner of the house. The Hatchet Man is the Ghost Host who hanged himself in the attic. It’s now canon.
I’m gonna throw my two cents in as a cast member who recently went on a tour. I think the merch team that name in as that title out of laziness or just don’t care about the rides story like the rest of us do. Or they just made a mistake. Nevertheless, The man on the ornament IS the ghost host and was the original head butler of the house who served master gracey. All of the cast members now are the spirits of servants who came after the man on the ornament/portrait in the hallway on the ride, but he was the OG that served while master gracey was alive. Master gracey is NOT the voice of the ghost host. He is however the aging man
So to sum it up….
Master gracey is the aging man
The man on the ornament is the ghost host and master graceys head servant
The merch team at Disney is making a fool of themselves
(And also I’m pretty sure the tour guide told us the hitchhiking ghosts got their names because they were the names of the cast members that used to stand in the costumes and would greet travelers in the ride pre-animatronics. Not sure the extent of the truth to this tho)
I do like Eddie Murphy's Haunted Mansion, it has even become a Halloween classic in my house 😂
What if both were Master Gracie? But the aging man is the true Master Gracie but the one for the ornament is his brother, also named Gracie. The Aging Man Gracie was in control and the ornament Gracie killed Aging Man Gracie with the axe then hanged himself.
The Ghost Host can't be Gracey because Gracey's buried in the queue and the Ghost Host's corpse is still hanging in the rafters of the Stretching Room.
They could both be Master Gracey. Like Gracey is the family name meaning they’re related. The real fight here should be which is the ghost host. I’m personally in camp “they’re the same person just from different points in his life”
Besides the theory I find it funny (supposedly before this merch drop) master gracy HAS a tombstone he's just not in there.
Like they just left him up in the rafters
I'd like to believe the hatchet man is Master Gracey just because I enjoy Master Gracey looking and seeming so flawed and imperfect despite being a "Master" and taking the place of a Ghost Host now that his mansion is haunted, decrepit. I find the insane look in his eyes fitting for the fallen master!
the absolute bafflement i felt upon seeing that ornament, i'm so glad it wasn't just me
Or maybe it's just a f*cking Christmas ornament and therefore non-canon.
Me, desperately trying to make everything fit:
There are THREE Master Graceys. The first is the Hatbox Ghost, the final husband of Constance who lost his head. The second is the Ghost Host, hatbox’s son, who, after finding out and killing Constance with her own hatchet, hanged himself from the rafters, and the third, the grandson of the first, is the aging man portrait, who grew old and withered away in the house full of the ghosts of his tragic past.
Imagineering continuity hit a wall some years back when all the imagineers that learned from the originals retired. Now they're just making things up to sell in the merch stores. No, it's not a good thing. This is how tradition is lost and history is forgotten.
This is why Tiana's Bayou Adventure is going to fail.. because it won't have a soul. And this is a ride that relies on music and an era that created soul. They're essentially demolishing Mr. Toad's and putting Pooh up in it's place all over again.
Another take is WE are using the word MASTER in two different ways. The Gracies are old Europe. Could it not refer to the Master Gracie (Master of the House we see hanging) and Master Gracie (Master as in Child/Young Man) we see in the changing portrait. Making them BOTH "A" Master Gricie? Also Once father has taken his way out Young Master Gracie would become Master Gracie and explains the tomb stone from the courtyard exclaiming (old) Master Gracie.
Just pointing this out since it wasn't mentioned in the video. In the SLG Comic series... specifically, 'The Mystery of the Manse' story... the master and owner of the mansion was and is William Gracey. He's shown to be the 'aging man' in the portrait. The aging portrait in the comic was meant to depict William Gracey's fate and changed before his very own eyes, scaring him. In the end, William Gracey actually does hang himself in the stretching room after being cursed by Leota, beheading her with the hatchet, and driven insane by the spirits. So in the SLG comics, the aging man and the hatchet man are essentially the same person, William Gracey, aka The Ghost Host.
Personally, however, I believe and always believed the Hatchet man is the Ghost Host, and that the aging portrait is Master Gracey. Two different people. Two different spirits.
Are the comics canon?
@@crazybird199 Nothing is really canon outside of the ride. No. The comics were just a collection of different stories about the mansion and the ghosts. Usually origin stories made up by fans. Still cool though.
@@eviltom17 Definately cool
i think the hatchet man is the ghost host and the real master gracie. he was killed and had his identity stolen by the aging man. the ornament was his way of finally revealing his true identity.
Ahh, they are brothers. The brother's Gracie.
I feel the aging man is Master Gracey, who could be the ghost host, but he doesn't have to be, if that makes sense.
I think it’s because the changing man portrait is the father of the hanging man
I was going to say the same thing…that or siblings