$100 vs $2000 RangeFinder Film Camera
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Today we are comparing two rangefinder film cameras one of which is $100 and the other a whopping $2000 to see which one performs better! On cheaper end of the spectrum we have a camera that is regarded by many as the poor man's Leica, the Canon QL17 GIII. And on the other hand we have my trusty Leica M2. Let me know which one you guys preferred in the comments below!
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Man, as someone who just recently got a QL17 I'm *really* pleased that it kinda holds up against something like a Leica.
@@punkrachmaninoff not even that. Leica's price tag is because of the brand, the build quality and its usability. In terms of image quality they're pretty much the same. Sure the lenses are sharp but they're not worth the money
@@punkrachmaninoff leica are not really about image quality tho
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Leicas are the Harleys of the camera world 😅
@@punkrachmaninoff There more to a Leica than just the look of the photos. The build quality and user experience is unmatched.
Here is the thing. I have the ql17 which has been professionally CLAed. It works perfectly, and makes great photographs. Period. I travel and like to walk around and the camera could be a target for thieves. If I lost it, well I would be heart broken because I’ve had the camera for almost 20 years - but if I lost a $2k Leica, it would be a full blown heart attack. Getting the picture means getting out there. I would go no matter what the camera costs, but that being said it is a bit more relaxed with a camera I can replace for a few hundred, CLA included.
Photographers (new ones and inexperienced) think they can’t make good pictures because they cannot afford the right gear. I hope this video slaps them in the face. You can make some fantastic images with rather modest gear. I suggest that if you cannot make a good photo with a ql17 then you will not be able to do so with a Leica.
Enough said. Great video. Charlie in Virginia
Nothing more to add! so well said 🤭🤓
Hey Charlie B. I have been looking into getting my QL17 CLA'd and have been looking for a reliable source. Any chance you could post your person?
@@mjbrixius LeZot in Vermont. He has done a great job with all of my film cameras.
Just picked up the QL17 last week for $5!! It was in working almost mint condition. This video really made my day seeing what it can do
Wow!!! Congrats bro, that's a huge find
Cherish it man ! i too, go for the Canon QL17
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nice deal bro
Im here 3 years later to say I just picked one up for $18 and what a steal! Love it
Really this is just a comparison of the lenses. Camera bodies really only differ in ergonomics and features but don’t really have any impact on colour, contrast and sharpness except for the fact that certain bodies give you access to certain lenses.
Good point except the Leica uses interchangeable lenses. This is a comparison of one Leica lens to all the different lenses available for the Canon.
I was wondering/thinking the same. Color, contrast, tones, comes down to the person scanning it right? Even the sharpness to a certain extent comes down to the person who’s scanning.
Correct me if I’m wrong
i could argue it sort of does matter because if you watch the shutter in slow motion, the Leica uses a cloth windowed shutter while the canonet uses a leaf shutter, the expose the film in different ways technically, but yeah 85% of the result is on the lens
As someone who has had four Leicas - and not a single Canon - over the 60+ years that I’ve been shooting photos, I have to give the Canon the prize for this one! Honestly, I could not see a significant difference between the two, and the price difference pushes the win to the Canon corner! Thanks for the “reality check” !!! 😁
I love how successful you've become bud. Videos have a real infectious vibe. Problem is I always want to buy new (old) cameras when I watch. Keep up the amazing content bud!
Haha I think the same thing when i see these, love his thrift videos too
Because cost is a significant buying factor, the Canon QL17 is the better camera. If both cameras were at the same price point, Leica would be the camera to own.
As long as you like 40mm and are ok with maxing out at 1/500.. I do agree though that the canonet is an incredible bargain. Even at the inflated prices they sell for these days.
Facts
Some severe cognitive bias there. Kinda simplistic
In terms of peace of mind, I would rather have the canon than an expensive Leica. I can't trust myself with that much money around my neck, nor could I feel safe walking around with it.
I love the 40mm QL17 lens and ergonomics. For what it is, it's not bad. Super quiet leaf shutter, smooth aperture and shutter speed rings. f1.7 max aperture. Quality build as well. Nice heft to it.
I have been watching/subscribed to your vids for about 3 months now, and I’m talking MULTIPLE times a day!
I gotta give you props on your content. Sometimes I could care less about the actual camera that you are reviewing, etc. but I’m hooked in due to just plain the quality of the videos! All the video ‘B’ roll is awesome. The timing, sync to music, whatever.
And then of course if it’s actually a camera I care about, then WINNER!!
Thanks man!
Btw.. picked up a Minolta X-700 yesterday, like new. I guess I’m now in #Minoltagang. Lol....
Love the video mate. I just bought the QL17 - waiting on delivery!
May I ask what is on top of the QL17?
Great Vid , thanks for sharing BTW what's that light meter your using ? cheers from Cornwall England
Hi! Really great video ! Can you tell me what is this small device attached to your QL17 , please ? Is that a lightmeter ? And if it's yes, what is this model please... Thanks a lot for your help!
Thanks for taking the time to put this video together. I really enjoyed it.
I have watched a few of your videos and I am quite impressed. You have put a lot of thought into them and they are well thought out.
What I like about your videos is you demonstrate very well that older and less expensive cameras still have a place in todays photography.
I dont know how much difference but I came across a Bell & Howell / Canon GL25 for $15.
Best of luck in your photography journey.
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A buddy of mine in St. Augustine, FL called me and asked me if I wanted some of his grandfather's old cameras. He's sending me a box over various old film cameras and of them is a mint Canon Q17 GIII! Can't wait to try it out!
Found one of these QL17 yesterday for $8, nice to see it's on par with a $2k camera. Honestly they look damn near identical. It's crazy to spend an extra $1900 just to get better vignetting and sharpness
QL17 GIII is a great camera, so is the Leica, but I have two of the Canons and probably will never have one of the Leicas, so I like the Canonet better. Amazing how close those lenses are in performance. Did you try the Canon at f/2?
I'm not sure you're comparing like with like. The ql17 has a (great) fixed lens and a whisper quiet leaf shutter and I love using it for street photo. If you really want a cheap but superb equivalent to the M2 then I would recommend the Canon P. Functionally very close to the M2, and feels nearly as well made. I have all 3 and love them all, but you can't get away from the magical feeling you get holding a Leica. Maybe just me... 🤔
I think trying to use image quality to compare camera bodies is pointless as it’s just the film and lenses that impact the colour, contrast and sharpness.
I love my Canon P. The Canon LTM lenses are great as well.
If Kingjvpes figure out about Canon LTM rangefinders and lenses, then people will go insane and there goes their prices.
I would argue that the P is better in many ways than the M2. Auto film counter, way easier to load, rewind crank, no burning pinholes in your shutter. The M2 wins in the important area of viewfinder/rangefinder and mount, but the P is still great there with a nice, bright 1:1 viewfinder and LTM has tons of options. People love to talk about Leica build, but the P is very well constructed too.
Just found a ql17 and didn't know much about it....but definitely going back to buy it (at a thrift for about 50$) also in mint. Excited to see the shots I can get from it. Thanks man
Love the videos man! Subscribing now. What was on top of your canon hot shoe? Light meter?
Please I need to know what's on the ql top? It's a light meter? Wich model? :D
My parents owned a Leica M3, but never mastered it, so they sold it and I wasn’t happy about it, because I liked this design very much.
Since I am using a Cononet QL17 GLIII (round about since 2005), I’m very happy with its results and I’m not sure, if I really need the better optics, especially with a bigger body and more weight.
I recommend QL17 to anyone who has never shot the rengefinder camera before, I picked up mine with malfunction light meter, and the self timer is jammed, but I still had a good time XD
I just scored a QL17 GIII off eBay that should be coming in the end of the week, and I'm stoked to shoot my first rangefinder! I shoot a Canon AV-1 and Sony A6500, so I'm happy to add this camera.
I had been shooting the Canonet for years before I could finally afford a Leica rangefinder. The main reason I bought the Leica M6 was because I needed interchangeable lenses. I now shoot with a 21/35/90mm lens kit.
Since I have been satisfied with the images produced by my Canonet and my M6, I have never performed a comparison under controlled conditions. Thank you for your comparison.
Based on my experience and the images from your comparison, I would agree that the two rangefinders are very close in image quality. For me, I find it easier to obtain accurate focus with the Leica. For price, the Canonet is a much better value if all I needed was a 35mm rangefinder with a normal lens.
Great job on the video! Canonets are great cameras, they often have fungus on the lens though, they seem more susceptible than some old cameras. That said I've managed to take them apart and clean them, and I'm no at camera repairman. I've never had a Leica, but I will at some point, right now my favorite rangefinder from this era is the Yashica Electro 35, the meter works amazingly well, but it's aperture priority only. The lens is much better IMO than my Canonet.
love your videos man. on the Canon - whats the little digital thing on the top
In comparing value for your money, I would say that the Canonet QL17 giii is the clear winner.
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Definitely!
Great video. I personally really like my Minolta Hi-Matic 7s.
What lightmeter do you have on the canon?
The vignetting on a QL17 lens can be caused by the lens hood.
Have you tried this camera without the lens hood?
How about the Canon P ?? I would really love to watch your review of Canon P ❤️ like...Best Alternatives to Leica M2
Love my ql17 g3. Amazing little camera! Pics look nearly identical! Great video
I have a GL17. Great camera in just about every respect. I just don’t love the 40mm focal length because I like to go wider. Also, it doesn’t like hand-rolled film cartridges; the plastic ones anyway. Otherwise it’s a treat.
Can I ask what the device is that you have on top of the canon? Is it a light meter??
When I lived in Canada I was given a canon ql17 g111 by my friend who just rescued them from landfill! It was the rarer black version. I put new light seals in and took it to downtown Calgary for it's first time out. The results blew my mind. So sharp and crisp were the pictures I got from it. In my mind Leica is overpriced and snob value. You can save your money and use it to buy many cameras instead of one Leica. I just picked up a canon 7sz with f1.4 canon 50 mm lens. I am looking forward to trying it out and still have change to buy more. My friend just bought in the UK a Leica m7 for around £2500! I bought a bronica ec with three finders and two backs and 3 lenses for less than £350! And the medium format will beat the Leica hands down with those Nikkor lenses. At the end of the day it's what you feel comfortable with. I bet if the focal length was the same on the two cameras you reviewed and you asked us all to guess which camera took which picture we would get it wrong. It's that close. Thanks for a great video.
Brother, this is an incredibly well done video! Respect ✌🏼
Amazing pics ! I Wolldecke definetly Go with the Canon just because the prize seems to be More fitting here. What film are you using here? I‘ve Bern searching for a „cold look “ like this for ages..
Is that a digital light meter on the Canon? If it is can you link it?
watching these after my modules, jeez the vibe of these vids man. Keep it up! :))
Amazing video, thanks for the info. I just order a canon canonet ql17 giii to try a rangefinder one! I have read the battery is kind of a problem.
What is that you are using at the top of the camera?
I love my ql17 and from this video there isn't really a 1900 dollar difference. I'm sure the function and feel of the lieca is smoother more reformed. To me if the photo is close enough to the same im perfectly happy sticking with my ql17 also won't feel the need to baby it or be carefull cuz its not gonna be a crazy amount to replace.
Loved the side by side comparison! Any chance you could add a link to the lense hood for the QL17?
I think the leica came out on top, but I just picked up a ql17 giii with extras for $90, and I gotta say I don’t think the leica is $2400 ish better than the ql17. Someday I’ll get a leica, but for now I’m pretty happy with 95% of the result for less than 5% of the cost
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Great video, what’s the hotshot light meter on the Canon?
Thing is...if you want a Leica, then get one. If it makes you happy, it's definitely worth the money. It feels nice, it makes you want to go out and shoot? Go for it! Of course you can take exceptional photos with ANY camera. There's absolutely no surprise that the images are quite similar. In the end, you need to go for what you want and can afford. I bought an M6 almost a year ago and I love that thing. I take it everywhere and it inspires me to take photos like no other camera before. Does it make my photographs better? Probably not. Do I enjoy it? Absolutely!
To honestly compare cameras fairly, I suggest using the same exact lens on two different cameras. Like using the Leica versus the Canon P with the 35mm Summicron used on each camera.
gotta appreciate that casual handheld dolly zoom at 12:18
What is the light meter you using?
You should do a video discussing and trying out the vintage Barnack Leica rangefinders and Leica's vintage glass. Personally, I think the vintage Leica's offer the same quality just as great as the m1,2, and 3! But only for half the price in what you pay for in a Leica M3. So it's a great intro and investment in getting into Leica's without breaking the bank for a new or used M3. If you look hard enough you can find a good Leica iiif and a summitar lens for just under $400 dollars!
Man, just want to say thanks for a comparison that uses the exact same settings, film and location. To me, owning a Leica is similar to owning a luxury mechanical watch. If output is really all you care about, may as well go for the Canon which performs almost as well, or even a Voigtlander, and slap on the exact Leica lens you want. Similar to how a watch owner would go for a quartz movement if they just cared about accuracy. In these “hobbies”, for me anyways, it’s not just about the output, but owning a piece of beautiful craftsmanship that inspires you to get out and use it.
I recently got a QL GIII and I was wondering if you got it CLA'd and where you recommend.
I'm sure you probably took this into account, but a lot can happen at the scanning stage when working with a film workflow. Were these scanned by a lab or by you? There is a lot of interpretation that happens by the scanning software that can be manipulated, which many overlook. Typically the scanning software is left to do what it would like which could explain differences in colour tone / warmth, sharpness, and density, and contrast. Great review though - really enjoyed it! - An avid fan of the Canonet lineup and Editor of the Analog Travel Journal (shot largely using the Canonet). Cheers!
The Leica is the better camera, plus it has interchangeable lenses. The Canon however is very very close, and the money you save is significant. I have a Contax iia which is great, and a few other older (cheaper) rangefinder cameras, however for simple street photography I love my Olympus Trip 35. I've learnt that it's less about the gear and the kudos of your camera, and more about what is a pleasure to use. The Olympus is simplicity itself, and somehow using a basic camera makes me concentrate on operating within the camera's limits. I take my Olympus everywhere no matter what else I'm using, and it lives in the glovebox of my car.
Would you mind telling me about the older rangefinders you own? I recently started teaching myself repairs on old mechanical cameras, and since taking apart these old Zeiss Ikon Continas I find it difficult to pull away from them :) My Canonet all over sudden does not feel like such a joy to shoot with, purely because the design and feel is less mechanical.. I've been looking at the contax iia as well but its difficult to find originals for a reasonable price atm. Would love to hear what you have in your inventory!
@@DerSollek I have a Konica S2, Canonette QL19, Olympus RC35, Yashica MG, Ricoh 500G, 2 x Voigtlander Vito Bs, a Kodak Retinette ii, Konica C35, Kiev 4, Zorki 4, and a Beauty Lightomatic iii. I bought them all when nobody seemed to want them and never paid more than £20 for any of them, the Contax excepted. All are great cameras in different ways, the Voiglanders are jewel like lovely but fiddly, same with the very underrated Kodak Retinette. The Olympus is bashed about but takes lovely pictures, however both this the Konica C35 and the Ricoh are a bit small for my hands. The Canonette and the Konica S2 are ponderous heavy things, and the Yashica is downright unreliable. The Beauty is a dark horse, very nice and similar to the Canonette and Konica S2, taking equally good pictures and costing very little. My only premium camera is the Contax iia, utterly lovely to use, however I wish I'd bought the earlier ii as this will mount the Jupiter lenses I have from the Zorki. I can't justify the cost of further lenses for the Contax, however the 5cm f2 Sonnar it came with is nice.
I have no knowledge of camera repairs beyond light seal replacement, so your fortunate if you have that ability as you can buy untested cameras much more cheaply. If had to say which is best? it would have to be the Olympus Trip 35. It's simple, reliable, no batteries, great lens, lightweight and plentiful. I know it may seem sacrilegious comparing it to the Contax etc, however the results speak for themselves in my experience. Does it class as a rangefinder rather than a point and shoot? Debatable I suppose, but I don't really care, I just love it.
@@mrstandfast2212 thanks for the elaborate explanation, nice read. To be fair I’m only starting out with repairs, so it will take me a while until I can get to a level where I can comfortably buy untested, but that is of course the goal. The contax iia seems beautiful, I can imagine how fun it must be to shoot it. Good luck!
@@DerSollek The Contax is lovely, however you can always go down the Russian route which is well trod and there's a mass of information available. Try Zenography here on the tube, he's done stacks of them.
@@mrstandfast2212 Thanks Stephen, guess I know what I'm watching tonight. I come across them frequently but never knew what to think, though to be fair the prices don't really leave any room for complaints.
You can see that the Leica is sharper, but it’s not $2000 sharper. The rule of diminishing returns kicks in right away here. I love my QL 17 IIIG. Just bought a little red button for its shutter release.
The QL17 would be the perfect rangefinder if not for limited 500/s top speed! An often overlooked camera, and my personal go to rangefinder is the canon p. Truly the poor man's Leica imo, takes all the leica screw mount lenses, which also includes modern voigtlander lenses. Also importantly has 1000/s top speed!
I never liked Superia 400 - too grainy, greens are good but there's nothing much else. Superia 100 was amazing, but sadly discontinued for years. That Canon might be a good camera but I'd always give a nod to something with interchangeable lenses (yep that's me, your mileage may vary), even if it has to be something cheap and not so refined like Zorki or Fed camera. And yes I agree, Leica is ridiculously overpriced...
I have both of them and I enjoy using both of them and they both do a great job. But I think the edge does go to the Leica for the glass the build quality and a Shooting experience. But for under 200 bucks you can’t go wrong with the canon
„Considering the price gap it‘s really hard to say which one to get...“big BS 😂 just say that one can easily go for the Canon and have a good or equally good rangefinder. You‘re a Leica M2 user and you want to keep it justified to own that camera 😉 Understandable and I don‘t mean any harm!
I have the Canon QL17 but have only shot one, still to be developped, roll through it.
for the price to performance the ql17 is a beast, had one for a multiple years that i threw hundred of rolls through and it never let me down. unfortunately recently i had to sell to pay for my m3 to get cla'd
Love most of your vids ! Are you sure both films were developped in the same bath, and scanned by the same scanner, with the same operator not changing any specs between the scans ? Could'nt this explain some differences between the pictures ? Have you looked at the negatives under a magnifier ? I really wonder...
huh? 2 different cameras dude
@@Stoney-Jacksman but same stock... I was just showing other alternatives explanations to the differences...
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Wouldn't want to be carrying around an expensive camera, I'd just be worried about dropping it or banging it into something. With something cheap I can just focus on the photography.
Both are fantastic cameras. The user experience is much better with the Leicas, but the end results are very similar. The Canon is way easier to load, but has a top shutter speed of only 1/500 versus 1/1000 of the Leicas. The Canon is way lighter and smaller so it's easier to carry around. The Leicas have interchangeable lenses. Each has it's pros and cons. Get one or the other or both, you can't lose either way.
just considering the quality of picture to price, QL17 wins definitely. I recently got a QL19 for $5 (no joking) and like to test it eagerly.
Where can I find the light meter to purchase
It’s a KEKS 01-google it. I ordered mine direct from KEKS. About $100.00 and worth every cent. Jvpes has a video about it too. Check for that.
I'm glad I have a Ql17. Looked great at night. Stay safe. Peace
Are you sure you missed focus due to human error and not because the camera was too close and wide open? I hear some rangefinders are just more difficult to focus wide open. Also, I think a better comparison would be the Canon against the Yashica Electro 35.
Is the focus on the Ql17 supposed to adjust when you spin the focus distance meter? I just recently got a Ql17 but it doesn't adjust when I do and I was wondering if that is normal
What is that attachment you have on the canon (the attachment that has a digital display)? I've never seen that. Where do you buy that from?
It’s a Keks light meter, they’re about a hundred bucks and they just slot into your hot shot
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Great video as always man! I was really surprised by the Canon, honestly barely saw any difference, would love to own one some day! 👍🏻
You could buy the Canon for less than just the TAX on the Leica, and yet you have to blow-up and squint just to see a very marginal, if at all, difference in these photos. Thanks for doing this test; it makes me glad I bought the QL-17 last year. I will never need to buy that Leica!
How do you survive wearing a Pats jersey? Then in San Fran? Just when you think you know a guy. lol Give them both to me and you wont be able to tell the crappy pics apart. lol Great video as always. Does it become a matter of diminishing returns? The QL is a fantastic camera and probably one of the best range finders, while the Leica is a Leica and is one of the best cameras ever made.
Great video. Often times I could barely tell any difference in the shots, and if I tried to guess which was shot with which I guessed wrong. I agree with the side my side the Leica had the slight edge, but for $1900 more I'd say the cheaper alternative is perfectly fine for 99% of the people watching this video.
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what is that little box on top of your Canon?
That was interesting. I seem to remember The Darkroom did a shootout a few years ago with similar results. I have both cameras, and there is nothing wrong with the Canon, but a lot of little things that irk me. I can't say I enjoy using it.
Whats the name of this light meter you're using on top of the camera ?
Was the Canon really $100 at this point in time because I just left a store and they had them as high as $449. What happened that made them so expensive?
Buy the Canon and use the change to go on a nice holiday :)
...or buy and process film.
Man I can't believe the prices... I paid 350 for my m2 5 yr ago. An m6 was 650 at the time. Should have got a few
This is really cost battle at the end of the day. The QL17 performs just fine, nothing wrong with it, but the Leica always has the better quality, that’s really more of the lens if anything.
I own the QL17, and I’ve shot with an M6 before too, and purely on how the camera works, aka the shooting experience, I would go for Leica. It’s just better overall. Not coz of the brand, just the whole flow of it works with me. I wouldn’t mind taking it to harsh conditions because that’s what a camera is for. But obviously, cost is a huge factor. I can’t afford a Leica so I shoot the QL17 and it is a great camera. Really great to use, nothing wrong with it. It just had some things that I’m not a huge fan of. But given that it’s all that I can afford? It works phenomenally.
This just drives home the point that the camera is just the tool and the photographer makes the art. Practice your craft and hone your skills first and buy gear second. I personally prefer the cooler rendering on the Leica, but I would absolutely hang a photo taken with the Canon on a wall.
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From these examples it looks like the bokeh is better on the Canon, which is really surprising. I gotta get one of these little cameras.
Hey man i just want to say im a fan of your work and style, your vids and tips really kinda helped me start and take an interest in film photography/street photography, i just want to say thank you! And also im Filipino your my Kababayan! ✌️😅
I just bought my first film camera too its a Yashica J range finder, i just want to ask if you can give any tips and tricks shooting a range finder, i juat finished 2 rolls but i haven't got it developed and scan bcoz of the pandemic all local photo developing shops are and im kinda saving for film rolls coz its just expensive here in the Philippines, but yeah i just want to say thanks in advance!
Hi! What's on top the QL 17? Thanx
your rangefinder might be misaligned on that QL, especially at that distance you shot the portrait. You can check it with a measuring tape!
I’m curious your thoughts. Stuck between trying to decide on a Minolta Hi-matic 7s or the canon ql17 giii ?!
They are basically very similar cameras - you should get what fits you better ergonomical wise.
@@McRuessel ended up with the canonet 🤙🏼
Have you done a video on the external light meter? Does your QL17 have a working internal meter?
Found this on his channel: its called KEKS EM-01 ruclips.net/video/IQD6eusYXhI/видео.html
Whats that on top of your ql17?
It’s an external light meter, wanted to know which brand and model too
Wait, what kind of light meter is that again?
I wish i never sold my M6 and now the prices are crazy. Think i might get myself a canon , i miss the range finder. Excellent video , thanks 😊
The Canon P and Canon 7 are great rangefinders.
There is no way you could say the canon is as good as leica and get away with it. You'd have leica-maniacs beating down your door. I really enjoy your content. I would be interested to see a similar video with the Canon 7 with canon lenses. Thanks for all the great vids!
A QL17 and $1900 is the real value option
The difference in the 2 can only be the difference in the lens. Differences in the camera would be ergonomics and shooting experience.
What's that thing on top of the canon ql17?
Where can a get a $100 QL17... all the price gougers on ebay want 180+ tested