Mario Kart 64 - Rainbow Road Cheating A.I. Exposed
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Every wonder why it's nearly impossible to catch up to an A.I. controlled character once it disappears from your screen? Game logic no longer applies to the CPU off screen giving them an unfair advantage. The game has been set only "render" the northern coordinates. Luigi, whom is controlled by the games' A.I will demonstrate the cheating that goes off the screen. Also, Luigi is set to always come in first, so he will have the fastest velocity.
*Things to note. Watch the speedometer. When you can see Luigi, game logic is being applied to him. Once he disappears the cheating will occur. For this track, the 360 turn where the big star is located will always respect game logic whether the A.I is off screen or not. Sometimes during normal game play, a CPU character may get stuck there and not be able to correct itself because it is not allowed to go through walls and whatnot.
So much time was put into developing these oversized tracks that balance flew out the window entirely.
Fun Fact: The A.I. also throws Lighning bolts at random...
+D@REY296 v.64 Yes, because computer controlled players don't make use of the ? boxes they pick. That's how they get powers without getting any of the blocks at the side of the track on Toad's Turnpike. But I believe it's not at random, I think there are certain segments of the track that signals that computer players should have a power and use it. It also prevents them from using certain objects like shells.
Then please explain why I was bolted and hit by a blue shell afterwards in deluxe WHILE having a super horn on me.
Yeah, but to make up for it you can get a star in 3rd place.
DaREY297 you mean, "not fun fact"
What
So that's how Yoshi finished 15 seconds before me when I had a perfect run on Yoshi Valley...huh.
The A.I. is capable of setting world records. ha ha
leftymu it makes sense, it is his OWN valley
How do you define a perfect run of yoshi valley?
64 likes... makes sense
Rundy Ftw no mistakes
Mario kart's AI is that Asain dad that never thinks you did good enough
do asian dads cheat and have advantages their son does not?
@@FreeAimDog gratz you stretched a 5 yr old humurous analogy beyond any meaning.
@@Kakerate2 chill bro its not serious
@@FreeAimDog ?
Huh... so that's why... i always noticed this in Bowser's Castle (Which is the reason i hate that stupid track), once a CPU disappears from your point of view, you already lost the race.
Not really. Peach, (I think the CPU was,) was first in Toad's Turnpike. She got so far ahead of me who was second. Peach messed up by, maybe a car? I ended up getting first. :D
MiniVoltarShinyHunter Yeah you still have a chance in any other track, but Bowser's Castle is the worst offender, as soon as you lose sight of a CPU, they go blasting at like 100 km/h and you never see them again
pikachu896 Ya I hate how they do that. But only really on 150cc/Extra
MiniVoltarShinyHunter Mostly on 150cc, I recently discovered that Extra is actually 100cc mirrored instead of 150cc mirrored
MiniVoltarShinyHunter The harder you try to win the less likely you'll get first place from what I've experienced. You have to play "bad" to get first place once the CPU is in the lead; using the rubber-banding to your advantage. And of course a good item to catch up to first place.
what annoys me the most is when you hit a CPU with a shell and they barely even slow down. You can see on the rotating character icon map of the track. Their Icon will bounce once, then they resume their cheating speed. Meanwhile you can watch the player icon bounce repeatedly on the map and see just how long it takes to resume racing.
qmto True
If you can visibly see an AI opponent spin out or crash, they get slowed down as much as a human player does. If it happens off screen, they just shrug it off as you said.
I've always hated the rubberbanding of the CPUs in Mariokart.
Mario Kart 64 - Luigi wins without using the controller, anyone?
Mario Kart 64 - Luigi wins without being at the screen sometimes
So this is why those AI's are unclear for the most time. Once the Objects are offscreen from you they pretty much become more Hazardous to the Player and to me it is unfairly made. Way to go Logic on Nintendo 64 - Mario Kart 64. When I was younger I played it like a lot of times and it was Fun. Once I figured out a bit later that those CPU's are always catching up to me once I am 1st it really bothers me a bit even I let them hit my Items multiple times. When I first watched the Video, once you disappear I thought it was a Glitch/Bug or something but once I read that correctly it was actually intentional for being "Offscreen" and gives them a higher chances on the Races.
Once I was on Kalimari Desert, and I was Mario and had a Golden Mushroom on 150cc on lap 1. I used it near the end where you can go off road staying near the train tracks. Some reason the CPUs were *not* catching up to me and I was around half the course ahead. :D
MiniVoltarShinyHunter That is a glitch by design unfortunately. The CPU is locked to the surface type last rendered on screen. Kalamari desert uses surface layer $02. When you cross the rail-road the surface type changes to $0E; you'll have a lower top speed. If the A.I. cross the rail-road while being rendered and disappear behind you before they reach surface layer $02, they'll be locked into $0E. Which is why you'll be able to lap them in that track. Rubber-banding makes it worse if the CPU leader is locked into $0E surface; they'll all slow down. This glitch happens in Mario Raceway; grassy areas $08 and sand $0D.
superluigikart Oh. Well, I still got first! :D
MiniVoltarShinyHunter Funny since sometimes I also had that that those CPUs are just not faster than me so I can just be quietly winning the race with low to no interruption to them. :P
***** LOL. Mario Kart Logic!
so thats why theres always 2 a.i players on my ass...
it's always luigi and DK for me lol
@@marcusbullock630it depends on what character you pick on which 2 will have better abilities like mario having bowser get better ai
This is why I loathe Mario Kart / Mario Party. The sheer amount of skill prevention is disgusting.
The former more than the latter. Let's be honest, there's tons of strategy in the board game, and tons of skill in the minigames. That doesn't make an excuse for chance time, though.
@@CaptMono I remember a lot of my friends getting map about the former...because I would always win. It's only sheer luck for so long. At some point you have to play like an asshole.
"Sometimes during normal game play, a CPU character may get stuck there and not be able to correct itself because it is not allowed to go through walls and whatnot."
Is this why Bowser sometimes repeatedly drives into the wall on Bowser's Castle?
Probably
AI is still heavily cheating on Mario Kart Wii (I dunno about Mario Kart 8, but confirmed for the Wii one). They spawn random droppable items (bananas, fakeboxes) in the exact site you passed in the previous lap, even when there are no available item boxes for the bots; that tricky items remain spawning in that strategic spots even with all bots incapacitated at the very beginning of the race (with all bots perpetually falling down outside runway with lakitu disabled).
By the way, I am your subscriber 120 :).
Sorry if bad english.
Mario Kart 8 has the most BS item RNG ever. Blue Shell in third or fourth place, "8" near 2nd place... you name it.
***** No, it's not random for ALL positions. First place still get a lot of banana peels. The last places still often gets dangerous items. It can be random from second place to SOME of the last places. Still, imagine getting a goddamn green shell or banana peel in 12TH PLACE! EVEN THAT SEEMS POSSIBLE IN THAT GAME! Xd
Necrobump, MK8 item distribution is based on distance and not on position. If you're in 12th but with the 1st still on your screen, you xon't get a bullet bill. If you're 2nd with the 1st 1 turn ahead, you'll get triple reds and triple mushrooms.
The AI in Mario Kart Wii and 8 doesn't cheat much at all.
There's some basic rubber banding, but nothing major. The only outright cheating they do is skipping the roulette when they grab an Item Box (which you can do by pressing then item button when it's rolling, albiet it's slightly slower.)
People like to think the AI in Wii "cheats" because of the amount of time they've gotten screwed by Items at the Finish line, but it's not cheating. It's just Mario Kart Wii's item system having 12 players and giving out powerful items too generously.
@@Robbie_Haruna We can skip the item roulette to by pressing the item button.
In Mario Kart DS, I held onto a Golden Mushroom until I got 1st, used it, and they were back at me in no time!
Werten a.k.a Hoshi Yeah I got a star in first place, used it, and Toad was somehow keeping up with me
The computers don’t know how to play fair!
I knew the AI was cheating but after you play the game a lot when you're 10 years old you learn to stay in the 2nd position then only go for first position in the last 15-20 seconds. That way you always finish first.
Shouldn't be that way, though.
just go in 8th to get good items
and no, you doesn't have to be 10 years old. (not for above)
that totally kills the fun though. I'd rather see an actual fix. this game had so much potential but they wanted to sell more controllers so...
i dont get how nintendo thought that players that cap to 60MPH can beat ai that go 100MPH. you would think this was an arcade game.
They based it off of arcade racing
Only way to completely prevent them from cheating is by doing that giant jump-shortcut on Rainbow Road, and even THEN they almost caught up by the 3rd lap!
omg i KNEW something was up with those CPUs but i didnt know it was this bad and mean ;.; (oh well the games still fun ^^)
I agree, the game is very fun. I have very fond memories of the game when I was a child.
i still have this lol ^^
rin satutashi Mario kart 64 is very fun and even with cheater AI its still doesnt make me ragequit.UNLIKE mortal kombat 4 where the AI is so cheap it does something that you cant even do in a TAS match
.-. what was the point sending that to me?
rin satutashi I dunno im kind of stupid.
3:15 did luigi skip a bit of the track?
This game prooves robots are better than humans!
unless you hack the game to make you go super fast
Nah I 100% this
It's so amazing to see what was happening off screen many years ago.
BTW I think NFS rubberbanding could be even worse. I've seen AI opponents accelerate from 0-400 km/h in less than 2 seconds. You can see them crash into something not far behind you on the minimap and despite that you are already well over 300 yourself the AI is already closing the gap moments later.
In Need For Speed Unbound, not only does the AI rubberband, police AI will actually help the other racers beat you by pushing them to give them a boost, or by targeting you and ignoring the other racers. False sense of challenge
File a lawsuit against Nintendo
reason?
Well, it makes sense. If the Player is really good at Mario Kart 64 then the A.I. has to do something to at least compete with the player, and that, is to boost the A.I.'s themselves speed higher than normal. Everybody knows that going against an A.I. in video games is usually easy unless they are able to break some game rules. Plus, it overall makes the game harder.
It makes the game harder for bad reasons.
The AI being able to get up to max speeds only a second after getting hit by anything and getting a massive speed boost when offscreen. Not only when behind you, but also in front of you.
This (when combined with Red Shells being useless if you can't see the racer ahead of you,) means that if a CPU gets into 1st and gets a good distance on you so it's out of sight with a constant speed boost means you're SOL unless you get a ton of luck with Stars.
when I was a modder I removed all PC ai cheats from the games, it's one thing for increase difficulty but outright cheating is not gaming
I always knew the AI had an unfair advantage in mirrored Toad's Turnpike...damn! XD
I don't get this. How do you film an AI player like this? And besides, AI players do never get shells from the power up boxes.
Pancake90 Well I filmed this by changing Player one's current state. Human players are "C0" and CPU is "90" I used the "D0" state in this video; unused CPU state as they can use items from the boxes. Normal A.I. spam random items at any time. They're not programmed to fire items from the item box, so I'm just controlling the items from the boxes and nothing else. And to film them off screen I forced the game to only render the northern coordinates; luigi is visible. You can tell the coordinates are frozen because the stars in the sky do not move. I'll release a code sometime this month that will force all A.I. to be honest at ALL times; making the game super easy.
***** Wow that would be great! Also would be nice if they could use ALL the items from powerup boxes.
LOL this is not even your channel. you did not film THIS video. the guy is called " superluigikart. xD
+zyberzyber it's called having 2 RUclips accounts
***** why do you have 2? xD
Damn , thank you man, I"ve been saying for years that the AI was cheating in 150cc but my friends would tell me " nah you just suck at the game" XD
I love this game still nice upload gamer dude
multiple boos in first place, a random lighting in first right after getting another item, and many other power items in first, re-accelerating far before hitstun from a chomp should've worn off, yet not a single blue shell, yep, that's cheating
No wonder the Blue Shell never been absent from any Mario Kart games!
Oh God, the Mario Kart 64 fanboys, they're coming!
Seriously though, it's not the A.I that makes this game challenging, it's the items actually. They always tend to backfire or never hit your target. You wouldn't want to know how many times I threw a red shell that went off the track and disappeared even though one of the A.I racers were right in front of me.
Bowser just assraped Luigi in the first 2secs of play
Jesus Christ, Mario Kart has some insane tricks to hamper you but this is unlike anything I've seen in recent memory
In MK64, winning is nearly impossible. Your racing in rainbow road. You drift every turn. You use every mushroom and every shell. But their always there...
No matter how good you are or fast you are, the Ai is there to outrun you. The only way to win is by using items and that’s it really. They always catch up. Although if your behind the AI, they actually slow down (I’m pretty sure) MK64 is fun yet freaking irritating.
big shocker the ai cheats _- dont think thats sarcasm, iys actually some anger. i always thought i sucked at 64...now i realize its cause of that
This is why Mario Kart should have a first person onboard view like those sim racing games
The A.I. Luigi is cheating soo badly 1st 100mph
the rubberbanding was meant to make 1-player unfair and unfun so you'd want to get more controllers so your friends could play you instead.
how incredibly diabolical. Miyamoto is a bonafide sociopath for letting KIDS suffer this (and parents).
I think the reason they disappear and go at high speeds was due to system limitation since having eight races on the screen didn’t work so well they had to make them disappear so the race can continue so I think it’s just a way to get it to function
Next what you should do is use lighting bolt cheat to spam lighting and get to laps a head, then on the third lap switch to an AI that is suppose to first and let's see how fast they go from our perspective
I find Mario Kart 64 the hardest due to the unfair rubber banding. How am I supposed to win 100cc’s Special Cup when the AI leaves me in the dust when I can’t catch up?
Nah not that hard and I drift a do mini turbos a lot
just do the rainbow road skip. they rubberband you and will *ALWAYS* catch up faster than the golden dash mushroom will do.
They need to stop doing this
What’s even happening in this video. I’m genuinely confused
Basically, this is a view of one of the CPU’s Mario kart 64, showing how they do cheat. Once the player doesn’t see them, they go invisible, and start going faster than they should.
At least it's not this gross in recent installments
I want to get R.O.B on DS really badly however rubberband AI prevented that.
In Mario Kart 8/Deluxe you'll have to try hard to get ten coins AND first place AND finish in first. I've been struck by last minute lighting so many times...
are we watchin' the AI?.. Luigi?..
why at some parts you turn invisible????
That's where Luigi is "off screen" by the game, so he can cheat.
also they can use the star and stuff like that when you use a lighting on them (sorry for my grammar lol)
Just in mention what’s your skin
When these guys are off screen you will go invisible and faster
Skill. Prevention.
don't you supposed to blowup when you slip like that passed the finish line?
That’s in multiplayer when the last player didn’t finish
Mario cart was way more unfair when it was older
Toadette would never cheat...
Bruh i love the sound
Lets hope they changed the ai for the nintendo switch online expansion thing.
Wow, look at those amazing graphics! (Sarcasm)
No offense, but this game is terribly overrated.
Hackerbee857 Are you talking about Mario Kart in general or this one in particular?
biba koku.
oh god here come the hate comments
No offense taken, I grew up with it, and it's super nostalgic (probably the most nostalgic video game to me), but this Mario kart is trash compared to the rest. And yes the AI is just the worst.
Are you using a 60 fps mod via a GameShark?
Well, you have your rivals, which are always trying to keep up with you and challenge you for points.
Then you have everyone else who, once they get ahead of everyone, just zoom by so stupidly fast that you cannot hope to catch them!
So which logic is Luigi following in this video? Rival? Or Cheater?
Also, why is the music so ridiculously fast during the first 2 laps?
Jonathan Backo I noticed in a lot of games the AI is ALWAYS ALWAYS, ALWAYS AND I MUST SAY ALWAYS FASTER THAN YOU, Know Burnout? Even using nitro the whole time these friggin scumbags AI were always going faster. When i started to play Gran Turismo and the AI were nice, intelligent, and fair, it was that time when i realised i love Gran Turismo. Tho i outrun them with better Performance points cars... But i like to be nice to them and race with same PP or a little bit more.
Jonathan Backo Another example is GTA police, they are going almost as fast as you in your fucking Adder.
Best example search Mario Kart 64 600cc on steroid, in the first track something with wario colloseum they are always getting more faster than u , or skipping walls by flying over them or randomly appear from left side and fly to right
Yeah, 64 is the most difficult Mario Kart because of the bullshit AI, but I still enjoy the physics.
Why does he play in 1st person
the only track where this doesn’t work is kalimari desert
Hi he is a hero
I got hit by 3 blue shells on dk summit and I was still in first then I get hit by a banana red shell green shell and then a mega mushroom dude in the last ten seconds of the race and finished 11 such bs
Clay Brumley WTF?!
I need an AI of Mario Kart 9
All race games has speedometer and tachometer
Omg I’m never playing with other cpus again only time trials
Was there really need for a video of this? I thought everybody knew about this. Also, you should have put a caption or something saying "READ THE DESCRIPTION!" because for almost the whole time I thought that was you racing.
Do you really need to have your hand held at everything you do? Reading the description is something that you should do if you want questions asked.
"Shenjitsu Kart is THE Nintendo Hard.
The problem? The CPU can read your comands, can spam an INFINITE supply of Black Shells, and _ZOOMS_ like Sonic _everytime you're in the first place,_ even if you used *Funky Kong* to race with its "personification" in the Cyberspace, as the final racing area: *Tempoko,* the "time-skipper".
Like always, the only way to beat the game is to use a secret code to make this unfair CPU _fair."_
- Sirius Unknown Cicerone, "gets over it" from Shenjitsu Kart.
Tip: Only the *Konami code* works.
So they get infinite draft boost 90% of the time.
Yeah, the only way to keep a lead is to get the powerslide boost. That’s pretty much the same thing if not slightly better than the draft boost they infinitely get when behind or offscreen/invisible
I thought this was common knowledge that the CPU cheats in Mario Kart Games. This is why I dislike them to an extent.
Yes, but not like this. This is why I hate Mario Kart 64 in particular.
+sonicboy678 It's actually so much worse in the original Super Mario Kart. Hell, you can even see the INSANE speeds the AI will accelerate to on the minimap that would put this to shame. You know, in addition to their unique / unlimited items, ability to take any and every corner on a perfect line, ability to jump over any hazard that lay in their way, and just completely ignoring any hazards or adverse effects and being completely unstoppable in general.
+Landfall364 It sucks that the controls are so slippery. Then you see the CPUs, perfect turns, hardly even sliding.
Ultimate Mate Overlord Absolutely, you try and turn in the slightest in that game and you're sent power-sliding off of the track, meanwhile, they don't even have to slow down to make the sharpest turns..
@@sonicboy678 agree, MK Super Circuit and MK64 are my least favorite Mario Kart games, thats why CTR win the round in the late 90s in racing games, anyways i like MK64 but is kinda hard sometimes, not just because of the cheating CPUs, also because of the slippery controls, not mention that this game just have 8 characters just like SMK.
CHEATERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Except for the random invisibility which I know is a gameshark code because you can't see that in any race.
so this video is to justify why you lose..okay I get that, but is there a way to make this game harder???? like I've gotten first place in the races with every character from 50cc-extra mode. Hell i even did 3 shots everytime I won to make my reaction time harder XD
So in note of this don't blame the A.i. you just have to get quicker and NO USING THOSE CHEATS ON THE TRACK
it don't matter, would u like to play against a chess ai that do 2 moves per turn?... ai cheating is not fun, it should be better because it is better not because it cheats.
Shh
I dont get it. Where was the ai cheating??
When the ai is visible to a player the bot tops out at roughly 65 km/h but when he is not he speeds up to 80 km/h which is faster than what a Players kart can go.
BEARhug Channel normal speed is 60 km, the A.I. cheats because I'ts speed is 80 km
Those cheating sons of guns! I was always giving it my all and they were cheating the whole time! Not cool
Yo siempre Juegye Luigi Mariokart64
Mkds is so worse
if the ai didn't cheat, this game would just be too easy, like the new ones. i welcome the hacking ai!
***** then you end up with the new mario karts that are easy as fuck.
seljak140 It's because programmers are too lazy to make Complex AI. Either that, or it's time/money consuming.
" Luigi, *whom* is controlled by the games' A.I will demonstrate the cheating that goes off the screen."
This is grammatically incorrect. "Whom" in this case is a subject being modified by a passive verb of "controlled," in which case the case is subjective and, therefore, the proper form would be "who," not "whom."
Chill out, grammar nazi.
MoonBlueGamet That was an idiotic suggestion. I couldn't be any more "chill" and my comment didn't indicate any aggression on my part. It's much easier to avoid saying "whom" entirely than to use it incorrectly. The use of that word was ungrammatical and I pointed it out. You commented on something that was almost a month old. Your comment was completely pointless, as I'm hardly going to delete my comment because of yours.
+Herb Sewell You didn't have to say you weren't aggressive, I could see it there, and in your comment now. You don't have to point out every grammatical error everyday, and I never said delete your comment. Seriously, calm down.
+Herb Sewell And does it really matter if it's almost a month old? It's not the end of the world, and it's irrelevant.
MoonBlueGamet If I'm not aggressive, it's impossible for me to calm down. The fact that you admitted that you were aware of that shows how utterly pointless your original suggestion was for me to calm down.
i wonder why theres more views then likes or dislikes?
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HAHA AIS R CAUGHT CHEATING LOL
this game looks worse than the snes game by miles, no map showing kart positions and the graphics also look worse.
This looks a fuck ton better than the ugly ass SNES game where every track was a generic flat surface.
He also has the map turned off genius so he can show the Speedometer increasing when he disappears.
lol at least this game has actual fun tracks instead of the repetitive, flat and boring ones from the SNES
Fanboys please, their both great, the flat tracks are there because the snes can't handle 3d in good quality and the 64 versions graphics are decent for the time, now quit fighting and play double dash :)
Ben Castle Yeah I know the SNES has limitations and that's why all the tracks are flat, but still... that means little variation and that's a little boring for me, it's not a bad game but definitely not the best of the series... in my opinion anyway
There was an option to toggle the map on the screen.
this is the reason this game is boring. i cri evry time
Not boring at all, its a fun game but it have a lot of problems.
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