I am flabbergasted that she cashed in on Rachel's death ,when she tried her utmost to get a man to admit to a crime he never committed ,he was clearly writing that letters cause that's what he thought she wanted to hear ,he was very naive ,cause if a woman told me she had murdered for an occult my first thought would've been go to the police ,or to get her to hell ,as women like that often scream rape when they're willingly going to bed with a man ,but being naive is not a crime ,desperate coppers ,this is similar to the Barry George case with Jill dando ,who I believe was murdered by the BBC
@@thespursfan7564 She was awarded money for the mental anguish the undercover operation caused her not because of Rachel's murder. Not directly. All the letters and dialogue were given to her by the profiler. She was just taking orders and it messed her up. And what? The BBC is committing murders now? Conspiracy theorist much?
It can't because it isn't. 'Lizzie' attempted to railroad an innocent man, wgats stressful about that? Her son deserved so much more, what a slap in the face!
Samantha Bisset and her daughter Jazmine are the forgotten ones in this murder case Robert Napper eviscerated Samantha and dragged her entrails all around her flat , he also raped and smothered her four-year-old daughter . If they had not concentrated on Colin Stagg,then Samantha and Jazmine would still probably be alive. Napper was sentenced to be incarcerated indefinitely at Broadmoor Hospital.
It's because back in those days promiscuity or women advertising themselves as escorts were frowned upon and therefore their lives not put in the same category as others. Sadly, the MSM are so disgusting. They did the same with the Yorkshire rippers victims, wasn't until it was a non prostitute they took the killings more serious.
I could never understand why the murder of Samantha Bisset and her 4 year old daughter, Jasmine, did not cause as much outrage and media interest as the Rachel Nickell murder. Samantha's murder was reminiscent of what Jack the Ripper did to his victims and Jasmine was sexually assaulted and suffocated.
You know, I've been thinking about that as well. I watched Deceit yesterday and so of course, articles about the miscarriage of justice regarding Colin Stagg and Rachel's murder have resurfaced again. It's so upsetting to see that there wasn't so much focus on Samantha and Jazmine's murder (not that it should be viewed as some sort of competition). I've been comparing the photos of Rachel and her son and partner and Samantha, her partner and Jazmine and there's a small part of me that wonder whether it was because Rachel had perhaps what the media would consider a more appropriate background as the victim than Samantha did? It's absolutely tragic.
@Ruth Bashford it's because she was regarded underclass compared to Rachel nickel. Plus she had a child out of wedlock. And promiscuous .a hippy lifestyle, This is often frowned upon by the mainstream media. Especially in 1990s . It's actually quite sickening the way she was ignored , I recently laid down some flowers at her old flat where they were murdered. And was shocked to find the flat is vacant by a new tenant. I asked her if she heard what happened there . She wasn't told by her agents? Wrong on all accounts , there isn't even respect or dignity of a four year old girl and her mother over a profit of a flat . Another thing that shocked me , nobody I asked in that area even heard or knew about Samantha's murder . She has been forgotten. Yet I can feel her spirit and presence there still .
Ruth the lady and her daughter really really upsets me what the police say that bastard than the little baby as well as I have young child the little girl would be 30 he went 2 broodmore
It’s just so terrible both the crime and someone totally innocent accused of it. 16 years it took for Robert Napper the real killer to be finally captured.
All the police involved in the investigation who believed it was Colin stagg should have been sacked ! I would have resigned if I'd been one of them , out of embarrassment ! And the journalists attempting to be detectives. !
one of the reviews of pedders book is slating the judge for throwing out the case saying he should have put in what he thought was good evidence to a jury so if it had gone trial i feel stagg would have been convicted then there would have been no cold case review........... if this guy was typical of people who goes on juries then colin stagg would still be in prison today....its frightening
It helps if you are not a weirdo who flashes people and sends people graphic sexual letters before the first date. And all the weird stuff in his apartment didn't help,either.
@@Ariadne76-k3d 100% wrong, it was the female cop who initiated the sexual letters, that was part of the plan to get him to admit to the murder. You obviously have not researched what was revealed in court. He only wrote sexual stuff after she had told him if he didn't then they would never be together, if he didn't he was not for her.
There's a lot of great programmes that we have lost to time. This was a really informative show and helped solve many murders. Used to look forward to this on the first Tuesday of the month (I think it was)
@@Thenorthsace I know what they are- I watched as fast as they were put up. But I think it works well to see the reconstruction and the other stuff together. Saves having to find the reconstruction for a start.
Pedder had newly become an inspector and was hungry for a bit of fame. Their technique of enticing Stagg using that woman officer was nothing but criminal. No idea why on earth SHE was awarded damages!! All she did was having a few bevvies and picnics with an innocent man!!
Promoted to chief inspector shortly before the murder. He had something to how good he was. Pity that his arrogance got the better of him. Lucky for Colin Stagg that he was fitted up and a wise judge saw right through it. Took 16 years to catch the murderer who pleaded guilty. Police and the press ruined Colin Staggs life.
They based their entire case on a suspect profile. Then fit him up and thought nothing about sacrificing the man's life. Tunnel vision throughout the entire case.
Stabbing a young mum 49 times in front of her toddler!! That is called overkilling. Somebody with a tremendous amount of hate, lack of confidence and very cowardly. The poor soul stood no chance. Such a sad and tragic case.
Robert Napper eviscerated Samantha Bisset and dragged her entrails all around her flat. Samantha Bisset and her daughter Jazmine are the forgotten ones in this murder case.
.. Can I say, these crimewatch redux are the best thing on you tube, brilliantly put together and totally compelling.. is there any chance of any more?
That whole Colin Stagg thing was a shocker, much in the way of "Wearside Jack" tapes in the Ripper case, the Police were desperate to get someone convicted in both cases and with that they turned into headless chickens, they hadnt a clue in both cases, the ripper was caught by two vigilant street Bobbies, not the task force, Napper was also pure luck..
A former squaddies walked into a police station in Glasgow, believing erroneously as it turned out , that he knew , the voice on the , Wearside Jack , tape , having served with him in Ireland. They police did not want to believe him and threw him out , twice. See the pitchfork murders of Michael Naan and Andrew Murray, just two of hundreds hidden from the British public.
This is an old 90’s video I think, before the killer was identified. Too late though, shoddy work- they could’ve caught Napper a lot earlier, and Rachel may still have been alive.
Colin received £700,000 in compensation, he blew most of it and I can't say I blame him as you can't take it with you. Should've received much more in my opinion as the whole nation wanted to hurt him at the time. Imagine being a social outcast, everywhere you go all eyes on you 👀
@@ruthbashford3176 they didn't have napper for Rachel nickel - on the contrary he was already in Broadmoor. He admitted killing Rachel nickel years later to a security officer inside . He got caught for Samantha & Jasmine bisset's murders initially through overlooked fingerprints, This was a later confession. I'm still convinced he murdered more women . Including Claire tiltman. Jean Bradley, and Deborah Linsey. There were also other unsolved murders/attempted murders in Dartford and Gravesend. All Napper's timeline .
Don't know Colin Stag but some people on the autistic spectrum known as asbergegus syndrom Do have unusual hobbies. To sterio people who still live with there folks and ride a bike instead of a car is a bit unfair. I can't drive and cycle cause it's cheaper that don't make me a phychpath
It was abhorrent that since they were touched by this murder, they saw fit to set up an innocent man. While there could be sympathy for the father of the victim, he had no right to condemn Colin in the court of public opinion. Instead, he should have taken issue with the police attempts to cut corners and try to jail a man for being a virgin. This is one of the lowest points in police behavior.
lost any sympathy for the dad in his speech after the robert napper trial never once said sorry to colin stagg....after the trial of colin stagg collapsed he said stagg had got away on a technicality and police were not looking for anyone else
@@chrismanners2554 Keith Pedder was guided by the psychologist Paul Britton and it was his psychological profile that led to Stagg's arrest. After Napper's conviction Britton changed his story. He is a liar and fraud and should have been prosecuted.
im glad colin wasnt found guilty. serves the police right what the judge said they shouldnt trick people and they should do their job right and get the right person every time
@@chrismanners2554 you Know he's been proven innocnet and Kapper is now in prison for Rachel's murder and the murder of another mother and child don't you?
Roger Cook seemed to be taking on the roll of judge, jury and executioner in his interview with Colin Stagg. He seemed to have made up his own mind that Stagg was guilty. Plus the e-fit/sketch does not really resemble Stagg, but very much resembles Robert Napper, especially the shape of the head and round the eyes.
A few things strike me as odd and interesting about the actual murder: 1. I don't think there were two guys dressed and looking pretty much identical (except one wearing a belt over shirt) both carrying the same small black bags. It's most likely the same person. 2. Why would a killer wear a white shirt if he's planning to murder and stab someone. It would be make the appearance of blood very visible and risk of getting seen and caught much greater. However he may have worn a t-shirt underneath it and hence the bag to change out of shirt and hide the shirt in. You don't need a bag to carry a knife. It's likely that was an attempt to change his appearance, hide any blood splatter and remove evidence/knife from the crime scene by blending into the crowd. 3. This person travelled on foot presumably and someone carrying a bag like that (which he's unlikely to dispose of anywhere it can be found easily) with a murder weapon and foresnic evidence has to get away from the scene and dispose of that somewhere. So I'd have followed that line of investigation checking for CCTV and witnesses, around a 3 mile radius and on all public transport out of the area and taxi's etc.
This case truly astonished me on so many levels. I can see what the lead detective was trying to do, acting from a position of utter desparation with no foresnics or leads. Just a photofit from eyewitness and a local man fitting that description a mile away. Who was present on the day of the murder close to the time of the murder seen up close and identified. And who also fit the psychologists profile and ticked many of the boxes...on the surface. That's the danger with relying on psychological profiling of offenders..many people like the young guy can exhibit unusual interests and atypical social behaviours, be a loner or socially awkward but it's a big leap to say yeah because of that and him being in the park that day (along with dozens of others) he must be a rapist and murderer. That requires a whole different level of (psychopathy) behaviour for someone to stab a woman with her child in broad daylight over 40 times and luckily these people are rare in society and nearly always there's signs from an early age and previous offending before a crime like that is attempted. This approach used by police used to be a common mistake police fell into by trying to make the case and evidence fit the suspect or suspects, rather than pursuing the suspect leads and seeing where that leads to crime evidence. Under the Police Criminal Evidence Act this approach sailed dangerously close to the line of the law (and arguably completely over it) in using a honey pot tactic and trying to manipulate the suspect into a confession in writing or conversations framed around a woman having these very violent sex fantasies with the offer of sex/relationship with an attractive womann on offer to a single awkward guy. That would be very difficult to use as evidence and could result in the suspect being acquitted even if he had done it as it's inviting a defense of confession induced by manipulation. I'm surprised the guy actually didn't realise it was a honey trap on receiving the first letter after being arrested for exposing himself being naked in the park. And then the police officer undercover was so obvious. If they were going to take such a risky tactic, a more subtle and indirect approach would be to use a younger person closer to his age. Someone very convincing as a random female in a pub or somewhere a bit shy and ackward acting like him, sitting alone and striking up a chat. Far better approach than writing a letter. In that situation he might reveal violent sexual tendencies or odd behaviour cues and feelings towards women a psychologist would readily recognise. And you'd have got it a better psychology profile directly out of him without any real prompting at all. You'd be looking for signs it's already there, not trying to put to there. Record and/or film the interactions and let a psychologist criminal behaviourial specialist make his analysis. Keep these social meetings (in a safe place like a pub) going over several meetings until he relaxes his guard more. Wait until he either makes a move to rape the undercover officer or reveals something more about the crime or violent tendencies without any prompting but by subtle indications from the undercover person she is turned on by that. If the operation doesn't result in him making a rape move given an opportunity after the pub in an isolated place (with lots of police around) or he doesn't fit the profile and show any signs he's a violent offender, end the meetings abruptly with some rejection and keep him under observation to see if it triggers and he snaps. If nothing unusual after a few weeks close observation to a month just eliminate him as a suspect. Without DNA or anything in his flat linking him to the crime or any similar crimes, after the first arrest, you have nothing to support a conviction. The honey pot tactic will only indicate if police are onto the right suspect or if very lucky result him making an assault attempt or some kind of confession or indication he has violent tendencies and abnormal behaviours around women.
I use to like the "cook report" and thought it was a very high standard of program but I've got to say that was awful It was completely to the polices narrative and it was obvious whatever he said he would be made out to be the murderer
The comment that no one should not feel safe walking in the park, but I have watched about 100 of these story of women attacked in the park. Obviously it’s a problem, it’s a epidemic
Wow they did did a great job of ruining an innocent man's life, and so happy and pleased with themselves to do it. Despite all of signs, and there were many that he was 100% innocent. Not that I'll ever be able to prove himself in the court of asshole public opinion. I'm glad that cop ruined his own career, he should not to be a police officer if he's that bad at his job.
"Lizzie James" was awarded £125,000 compensation for stress and Rachel's son was offered £22,000 for the loss of his mother? How can that be right!
I am flabbergasted that she cashed in on Rachel's death ,when she tried her utmost to get a man to admit to a crime he never committed ,he was clearly writing that letters cause that's what he thought she wanted to hear ,he was very naive ,cause if a woman told me she had murdered for an occult my first thought would've been go to the police ,or to get her to hell ,as women like that often scream rape when they're willingly going to bed with a man ,but being naive is not a crime ,desperate coppers ,this is similar to the Barry George case with Jill dando ,who I believe was murdered by the BBC
@@thespursfan7564 She was awarded money for the mental anguish the undercover operation caused her not because of Rachel's murder. Not directly. All the letters and dialogue were given to her by the profiler. She was just taking orders and it messed her up.
And what? The BBC is committing murders now? Conspiracy theorist much?
Mercenaries such as the false Lizzie James always cash in at the expense of others.
Whatever stress Lizzie suffered, she deserved it as she lives by plumbing the depths of depravity.
It can't because it isn't. 'Lizzie' attempted to railroad an innocent man, wgats stressful about that? Her son deserved so much more, what a slap in the face!
Thank you for posting these fascinating old shows!
Samantha Bisset and her daughter Jazmine are the forgotten ones in this murder case
Robert Napper eviscerated Samantha and dragged her entrails all around her flat , he also raped and smothered her four-year-old daughter . If they had not concentrated on Colin Stagg,then Samantha and Jazmine would still probably be alive. Napper was sentenced to be incarcerated indefinitely at Broadmoor Hospital.
It's because back in those days promiscuity or women advertising themselves as escorts were frowned upon and therefore their lives not put in the same category as others. Sadly, the MSM are so disgusting. They did the same with the Yorkshire rippers victims, wasn't until it was a non prostitute they took the killings more serious.
I could never understand why the murder of Samantha Bisset and her 4 year old daughter, Jasmine, did not cause as much outrage and media interest as the Rachel Nickell murder. Samantha's murder was reminiscent of what Jack the Ripper did to his victims and Jasmine was sexually assaulted and suffocated.
You know, I've been thinking about that as well. I watched Deceit yesterday and so of course, articles about the miscarriage of justice regarding Colin Stagg and Rachel's murder have resurfaced again. It's so upsetting to see that there wasn't so much focus on Samantha and Jazmine's murder (not that it should be viewed as some sort of competition). I've been comparing the photos of Rachel and her son and partner and Samantha, her partner and Jazmine and there's a small part of me that wonder whether it was because Rachel had perhaps what the media would consider a more appropriate background as the victim than Samantha did? It's absolutely tragic.
@Ruth Bashford it's because she was regarded underclass compared to Rachel nickel. Plus she had a child out of wedlock. And promiscuous .a hippy lifestyle, This is often frowned upon by the mainstream media. Especially in 1990s . It's actually quite sickening the way she was ignored , I recently laid down some flowers at her old flat where they were murdered. And was shocked to find the flat is vacant by a new tenant. I asked her if she heard what happened there . She wasn't told by her agents? Wrong on all accounts , there isn't even respect or dignity of a four year old girl and her mother over a profit of a flat . Another thing that shocked me , nobody I asked in that area even heard or knew about Samantha's murder . She has been forgotten. Yet I can feel her spirit and presence there still .
Ruth the lady and her daughter really really upsets me what the police say that bastard than the little baby as well as I have young child the little girl would be 30 he went 2 broodmore
Napper makes me sick. Colin does seem a bit of a cock-socket but his treatment was disgusting to put it mildly.
And how they didn't look into this woman's murder and connect them is beyond me.
How could Stagg's neighbours remember what time he was on the common two months before? In fact how could Stagg?
It’s just so terrible both the crime and someone totally innocent accused of it. 16 years it took for Robert Napper the real killer to be finally captured.
Worse than that, the police lied and stitched an innocent man up for the crime.
Just by luck this finally be one solved
All the police involved in the investigation who believed it was Colin stagg should have been sacked ! I would have resigned if I'd been one of them , out of embarrassment ! And the journalists attempting to be detectives. !
keith pedder wrote a book basically saying he got off on a technicality........he was charged with corruption but charges were dropped
one of the reviews of pedders book is slating the judge for throwing out the case saying he should have put in what he thought was good evidence to a jury so if it had gone trial i feel stagg would have been convicted then there would have been no cold case review........... if this guy was typical of people who goes on juries then colin stagg would still be in prison today....its frightening
The real killer was convicted in 2007 (Robert Napper), Stagg was awarded £700,000 in compensation.
And Paul briiton is shit at his job !!! Stealing a living
Nick saying - it's easy to eliminate people who are innocent, tell that to Colin Stagg!
It helps if you are not a weirdo who flashes people and sends people graphic sexual letters before the first date. And all the weird stuff in his apartment didn't help,either.
@@Ariadne76-k3d 100% wrong, it was the female cop who initiated the sexual letters, that was part of the plan to get him to admit to the murder. You obviously have not researched what was revealed in court. He only wrote sexual stuff after she had told him if he didn't then they would never be together, if he didn't he was not for her.
@@Ariadne76-k3d it helps if you know the facts which you obviously don't lol
There's a lot of great programmes that we have lost to time. This was a really informative show and helped solve many murders. Used to look forward to this on the first Tuesday of the month (I think it was)
a man running in just boxer shorts with his clothes in a bundle under his arm - nothing strange about that??
The clothes could have been covered in blood
I'm surprised he didn't sue them, crazy police work.
It's shocking how accurate the clinical psychologist's profile of Robert Napper was and yet they went on the wild goose chase of Colin Stagg.
Get up mummy, get up. So heartbreaking.
Thanks very much for the way you put these reduxes together, makes it all much more informative.
@@Thenorthsace I know what they are- I watched as fast as they were put up. But I think it works well to see the reconstruction and the other stuff together. Saves having to find the reconstruction for a start.
Pedder had newly become an inspector and was hungry for a bit of fame. Their technique of enticing Stagg using that woman officer was nothing but criminal. No idea why on earth SHE was awarded damages!! All she did was having a few bevvies and picnics with an innocent man!!
Police Coruption is sadly the reason for a decline in people coming forward to report a crime. It's a shame for all the hard working good officers
This case just shows how the police to about fitting the innocent GENERAL public up.
Promoted to chief inspector shortly before the murder. He had something to how good he was. Pity that his arrogance got the better of him. Lucky for Colin Stagg that he was fitted up and a wise judge saw right through it. Took 16 years to catch the murderer who pleaded guilty. Police and the press ruined Colin Staggs life.
They based their entire case on a suspect profile. Then fit him up and thought nothing about sacrificing the man's life. Tunnel vision throughout the entire case.
when the police run out of ideas and the media are on their back they always resort to plan B...fit up the local weirdo
To achieve balance, the interviewer should also question Lizzie.
Stabbing a young mum 49 times in front of her toddler!! That is called overkilling. Somebody with a tremendous amount of hate, lack of confidence and very cowardly. The poor soul stood no chance. Such a sad and tragic case.
Robert Napper eviscerated Samantha Bisset and dragged her entrails all around her flat. Samantha Bisset and her daughter Jazmine are the forgotten ones in this murder case.
.. Can I say, these crimewatch redux are the best thing on you tube, brilliantly put together and totally compelling.. is there any chance of any more?
I do hope Colin Stag got a huge compensation pay out
£700,000
That whole Colin Stagg thing was a shocker, much in the way of "Wearside Jack" tapes in the Ripper case, the Police were desperate to get someone convicted in both cases and with that they turned into headless chickens, they hadnt a clue in both cases, the ripper was caught by two vigilant street Bobbies, not the task force, Napper was also pure luck..
A former squaddies walked into a police station in Glasgow, believing erroneously as it turned out , that he knew , the voice on the , Wearside Jack , tape , having served with him in Ireland.
They police did not want to believe him and threw him out , twice.
See the pitchfork murders of Michael Naan and Andrew Murray, just two of hundreds hidden from the British public.
The actual murderer has been caught.
Yes, it was Robert Napper.
This is an old 90’s video I think, before the killer was identified. Too late though, shoddy work- they could’ve caught Napper a lot earlier, and Rachel may still have been alive.
Colin received £700,000 in compensation, he blew most of it and I can't say I blame him as you can't take it with you. Should've received much more in my opinion as the whole nation wanted to hurt him at the time. Imagine being a social outcast, everywhere you go all eyes on you 👀
@@ruthbashford3176 they didn't have napper for Rachel nickel - on the contrary he was already in Broadmoor. He admitted killing Rachel nickel years later to a security officer inside . He got caught for Samantha & Jasmine bisset's murders initially through overlooked fingerprints, This was a later confession. I'm still convinced he murdered more women . Including Claire tiltman. Jean Bradley, and Deborah Linsey. There were also other unsolved murders/attempted murders in Dartford and Gravesend. All Napper's timeline .
@@ruthbashford3176 I was never convinced that Colin ash murdered Claire tiltman at all .
That was a police bungle of epic proportions
Something happens in a wooded area, with no one else atound, but the police are just magically supposd to know who done it?
Don't know Colin Stag but some people on the autistic spectrum known as asbergegus syndrom
Do have unusual hobbies. To sterio people who still live with there folks and ride a bike instead of a car is a bit unfair. I can't drive and cycle cause it's cheaper that don't make me a phychpath
Colin Stagg looks nothing like the sketch
This case still sits uneasily. This and the Jill Dando case, despite the fit-ups and backfiring honey-trap. The sense of injustice pervades.
It was abhorrent that since they were touched by this murder, they saw fit to set up an innocent man. While there could be sympathy for the father of the victim, he had no right to condemn Colin in the court of public opinion. Instead, he should have taken issue with the police attempts to cut corners and try to jail a man for being a virgin. This is one of the lowest points in police behavior.
lost any sympathy for the dad in his speech after the robert napper trial never once said sorry to colin stagg....after the trial of colin stagg collapsed he said stagg had got away on a technicality and police were not looking for anyone else
He wasn't jailed for being a virgin. FFS.
Paul Britton should have been prosecuted.
What for? The Met were the ones who did it all. Signed off at Deputy Commissioner level, by the sound of it. Incredible.
@@chrismanners2554 Keith Pedder was guided by the psychologist Paul Britton and it was his psychological profile that led to Stagg's arrest. After Napper's conviction Britton changed his story. He is a liar and fraud and should have been prosecuted.
@@ruthbashford3176 Not defending Britton at all, but what's the crime he committed? Giving bad advice isn't a crime.
@@chrismanners2554 Britton perverted the course of justice. Have your read what Britton said at the committal proceedings?
@@ruthbashford3176 Have you got a link? Genuine question.
im glad colin wasnt found guilty. serves the police right what the judge said they shouldnt trick people and they should do their job right and get the right person every time
Pedder does come across as a prat!
more corrupt....
The cook report part is WILD.
Isn't it? The way it ends is harsh on Stagg, like the story is him refusing the truth drug test and hypnotism. Why shouldn't he?
@@chrismanners2554 Yup and Stagg handled himself pretty well, being innocent.
@@chrismanners2554 you Know he's been proven innocnet and Kapper is now in prison for Rachel's murder and the murder of another mother and child don't you?
@@politicsvitalforliberty6716 Yes, Robert Napper.
@@politicsvitalforliberty6716 think he had to google it
Robert Napper pleaded guilty 16 years later.
But only of manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility.
Roger Cook seemed to be taking on the roll of judge, jury and executioner in his interview with Colin Stagg. He seemed to have made up his own mind that Stagg was guilty. Plus the e-fit/sketch does not really resemble Stagg, but very much resembles Robert Napper, especially the shape of the head and round the eyes.
Cook report was brutal, TV will never be the same again so old footage is a blessing.
A few things strike me as odd and interesting about the actual murder:
1. I don't think there were two guys dressed and looking pretty much identical (except one wearing a belt over shirt) both carrying the same small black bags. It's most likely the same person.
2. Why would a killer wear a white shirt if he's planning to murder and stab someone. It would be make the appearance of blood very visible and risk of getting seen and caught much greater. However he may have worn a t-shirt underneath it and hence the bag to change out of shirt and hide the shirt in. You don't need a bag to carry a knife. It's likely that was an attempt to change his appearance, hide any blood splatter and remove evidence/knife from the crime scene by blending into the crowd.
3. This person travelled on foot presumably and someone carrying a bag like that (which he's unlikely to dispose of anywhere it can be found easily) with a murder weapon and foresnic evidence has to get away from the scene and dispose of that somewhere. So I'd have followed that line of investigation checking for CCTV and witnesses, around a 3 mile radius and on all public transport out of the area and taxi's etc.
Remember this like it was yesterday, 30 years ago, shesh.
That kind of lonely young men that are listening to bad advice from Andrew Tate nowadays
.. What bad advice???
Couldn't agree more with you
55:00
Holy shit, dude was straight up trying to incite people to attack him.
"Beautiful blonde woman". Then there's the boyfriend.. Every time
Anybody notice the uncanny likeness in the photofit profile at 2:40 and the one of Jean Bradley . Same killer in my opinion.
Can't believe there was no dna on Jean Bradley to link her killing with napper
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damn you ain't lying. Surely it's Napper again.
Pedder's first comment about him being covered in blood was dumb before we even start, so no wonder he got sacked
in this video its obvious pedder thought stagg was guilty and got away with it...he was no sherlock holmes
Pedder was a bit slow.and suggesting stagg is guilty. He should be reprimanded for his false claims.
53:40 "Pedder was treated like a pariah and criticised", You're saying this as if it was unjust
This case truly astonished me on so many levels.
I can see what the lead detective was trying to do, acting from a position of utter desparation with no foresnics or leads. Just a photofit from eyewitness and a local man fitting that description a mile away. Who was present on the day of the murder close to the time of the murder seen up close and identified.
And who also fit the psychologists profile and ticked many of the boxes...on the surface. That's the danger with relying on psychological profiling of offenders..many people like the young guy can exhibit unusual interests and atypical social behaviours, be a loner or socially awkward but it's a big leap to say yeah because of that and him being in the park that day (along with dozens of others) he must be a rapist and murderer.
That requires a whole different level of (psychopathy) behaviour for someone to stab a woman with her child in broad daylight over 40 times and luckily these people are rare in society and nearly always there's signs from an early age and previous offending before a crime like that is attempted.
This approach used by police used to be a common mistake police fell into by trying to make the case and evidence fit the suspect or suspects, rather than pursuing the suspect leads and seeing where that leads to crime evidence.
Under the Police Criminal Evidence Act this approach sailed dangerously close to the line of the law (and arguably completely over it) in using a honey pot tactic and trying to manipulate the suspect into a confession in writing or conversations framed around a woman having these very violent sex fantasies with the offer of sex/relationship with an attractive womann on offer to a single awkward guy. That would be very difficult to use as evidence and could result in the suspect being acquitted even if he had done it as it's inviting a defense of confession induced by manipulation.
I'm surprised the guy actually didn't realise it was a honey trap on receiving the first letter after being arrested for exposing himself being naked in the park. And then the police officer undercover was so obvious.
If they were going to take such a risky tactic, a more subtle and indirect approach would be to use a younger person closer to his age. Someone very convincing as a random female in a pub or somewhere a bit shy and ackward acting like him, sitting alone and striking up a chat. Far better approach than writing a letter. In that situation he might reveal violent sexual tendencies or odd behaviour cues and feelings towards women a psychologist would readily recognise. And you'd have got it a better psychology profile directly out of him without any real prompting at all. You'd be looking for signs it's already there, not trying to put to there.
Record and/or film the interactions and let a psychologist criminal behaviourial specialist make his analysis. Keep these social meetings (in a safe place like a pub) going over several meetings until he relaxes his guard more. Wait until he either makes a move to rape the undercover officer or reveals something more about the crime or violent tendencies without any prompting but by subtle indications from the undercover person she is turned on by that.
If the operation doesn't result in him making a rape move given an opportunity after the pub in an isolated place (with lots of police around) or he doesn't fit the profile and show any signs he's a violent offender, end the meetings abruptly with some rejection and keep him under observation to see if it triggers and he snaps. If nothing unusual after a few weeks close observation to a month just eliminate him as a suspect.
Without DNA or anything in his flat linking him to the crime or any similar crimes, after the first arrest, you have nothing to support a conviction. The honey pot tactic will only indicate if police are onto the right suspect or if very lucky result him making an assault attempt or some kind of confession or indication he has violent tendencies and abnormal behaviours around women.
I love the compilation throughout time and productions. FYI, America does not allow lie detector test in court.
Bloody hell what a fugg up . Biggest verbal in modern history 😮
Wish people would just admit it when something is wrong with someone in their family. Denying it doesn't make it go away.
I use to like the "cook report" and thought it was a very high standard of program but I've got to say that was awful
It was completely to the polices narrative and it was obvious whatever he said he would be made out to be the murderer
😂😂😂 the description minus the assaulting , is a large population of men.
Wonder if he ever got a girlfriend
.. Yes he did
The cops sound pretty dodgy ………
They all are
The comment that no one should not feel safe walking in the park, but I have watched about 100 of these story of women attacked in the park. Obviously it’s a problem, it’s a epidemic
That Cooke report has aged like milk.
Pedder completely out of his depth.
Never forgotten
What a world...😥😪😥😪
Total Hex ....
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This copper should be sent down even NOW.
Wow they did did a great job of ruining an innocent man's life, and so happy and pleased with themselves to do it. Despite all of signs, and there were many that he was 100% innocent. Not that I'll ever be able to prove himself in the court of asshole public opinion. I'm glad that cop ruined his own career, he should not to be a police officer if he's that bad at his job.
I hope this DC was sent down for at least 5 years.
It must have been a WOMBLE
The UK s MAFIA.