How Hard is it to Get 1 Million Points in NES Tetris?
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- Опубликовано: 8 авг 2020
- A discussion about what it takes to get the elusive maxout in NES Tetris.
Huge thanks to Mykal (@ITZsharky1) for being a part of this video! Be sure to check out his RUclips channel, and he's actually hosting a qualifying event for the CTWC this year where 4 players can earn entries to the tournament. Check out more details about it here: • CTWC 2020 Online Quali...
Classic Tetris seems to be a very plesant community. Everyone is so friendly and down to earth.
So are most tetris games in my experience at least
Unfortanely not really hahahsha
This is one of few gaming communities that arent toxic
I literally stumbled on the last week and I love everything this community is offering! I just bought the game and can't wait to see if I can better i have been playing tetris 99 for the meantime
Truth.
Shout out to sharky for replying to comments about the game within an hour of the video drop, what a community champ.
This kind of videos are really good for growing the community. This shows the human side of the gamers. Thanks Sharky.
Fantastic video scout. Cain wait to do more with you in the near future!
Sharky + GameScout is the dream team for RUclips videos!
I liek fish
Short Answer: Really Hard
Long Answer: Let's watch this video.
I've started to take the psychological advice into account when I play and get a huge pace. I have a tendency to keep going full throttle and lose it altogether. Tonight I played a bit safer, but probably too safe when I saw my pace. However, I just set a new PB of 948,619. Keep up the great work!
OK that was 3 years ago. You maxed out yet?
@@EvidentlyFire Nope. But, I got a PB of 955k in Phoenix last weekend.
@@bobguy619 well done, so it looks like it will come soon. Good luck
These tips definitely helped a lot. The biggest takeaway for me was the realization that you really don't have to work THAT hard post transition to maxout. It's great to know there's a lot more breathing room than what it seems.
That's precisely it! Once you understand the math it become significantly less difficult to max because you can balance out survival with agression
I know you had like an 800k when I was playing you in CTL, did you happen to get any closer yet?
SemiLogo777 no not yet. Still working at it though
One thing I really like about Classic Tetris is that there is no looming feeling if there will be support from the developers for a new game in the future. NES Tetris is like 30 years old and everyone in the community knows that THIS is the game to play. They don’t worry about there being a capable sequel in the future to keep their game alive like in every other competitive scene. That usually leads to splintering and toxicity within the community. They just get to play their game and focus more on their tournaments for years to come.
I'm starting to realize that the classic Tetris community is growing on me today in the same way that the speed running community grew on me around 4 years ago. I wouldn't have come to this realization without your videos, scout. There are no words I can use to express my thanks
I'd be happy with just 600k. I'd think I would nearly faint from a max out. Great information from Sharky as well, always enjoy both of you're content. Looking forward for more to come.
I just want to say that Scout is such a good interviewer. He comes to the conversation prepared, he asks questions that continue the conversation, and that tells a story, everything relates to the previous question, or takes you down a narrative around a core idea. His presence is noted, but not overbearing, and seems to make his guests feel comfortable. Just want to shout that out.
Really nice presentation of maxouts and what it takes to get it. Personally, I think this is one of the best videos to learn how to actually get it. I always thought of getting 300k consistently in 19 starts helps you, but 450k by 100 lines in the same level works, too. Again, really nice video from you and Sharky!
I started playing with pretty much no experience in January 2019 with the intention of maxing out before 2020 (I haven't gotten it yet, but so far I have a PB of around 620k). The one piece of advice I can give is that there is no time limit on getting that score. Don't get discouraged by people that do it in like 6 months (especially if you use das) because the majority of people take years to get it. It's a weirdly difficult achievement in gaming because it's so simple, yet the skill gap to actually get it is way bigger than is initially perceived. There's so much nuance and depth that cannot be explained in a 20 minute video that you can only get through practice.
The curve of improvement is getting steeper and steeper... and steeper as you're trying to boost your high score. The milestone score for me (as a DAS player) was reaching the first 600k, which finally happened after about a year of grinding. This score means you are getting consistent on 18 and can do 'something' on 19+. After that it took me about 2-3 months to reach my first 900k. Since that time I've been grinding a lot and thinking about giving up on getting my first maxout ever. Still haven't got it. Will I ever get it? I don't know... hopefully will be back with you when I finally succeed. It's so hard and the only thing that holds me now is the willpower. Just... don't give up and maybe... one day. Thank you for your video ;)
Tell me you've got it
You better link the max out when you got it
Promised to come back, after over 3 years we got the max! Never give up, guys! If I can do it, you can too! Scout, you're next ;)
0:47 tom burning his tail
WAIT! Actually underrated comment
Really bright thoughtful insight from both you guys. Thanks!
Next video:
SMASHING my PB - My first maxout!
*Short answer*
Tetris amateurs: NoooOOOOOOOo you can't just get such a good score so easily!!!
CTWC/CTM veterans: hahaa maxout go brrrrr
I laughed so hard to this
@@ITZsharky1 Hahaa
Thank you guys for this. Very awesome!
thanks to both scout and sharky for putting in so much effort to grow the classic tetris community. You both contribute so much to making the community what it is.
thanks to this video and the constant grind I was able to maxout a few days ago. thanks for making this video!
yo ggs Scout and Sharky!! Great collab and in all honesty i kinda need this right now lmao. Been stuck on 9 maxouts for over a month and feeling like I'm experiencing the same psychological issue that a lot of people have when they're about to get their first. Really great tips and breakdown, keep up the good work y'all!!
Great job on the video Scout! The quality of the content is fantastic, thanks for keeping up with it!
New Vid ALREADY? wow amazing especially since your vids are so high quality
Great video! Also real impressed with Sharky. Young player, yet wise Sage of the Tetris! :D
Incredibly articulate and passionate from both of you, great work
Thank you!
Keep up the great content! It's good to have some NES Tetris RUclips content to enjoy :-)
I'm glad you discussed what it takes to get a maxout in depth. Especially the psychological aspect of it, I think anyone that starts to play NES Tetris needs to learn that part. There were times where I get frustrated because I have not beaten my personal best. I realized that it would be best for me to take a break.
Although, my break from Tetris involves speedrunning Dr. Mario. Everyone has there own way of taking a break from Tetris.
15:00 You might want to explore whether simply participating in online streaming allows players to "turn off" the part(s) of their brain that had previously stood in the way of higher scores. How many aspirants achieve Max Outs for the first time while streaming? I'd say a surprising number. Think there's a correlation? I do. Guys like Joseph and Sharky can hold a running conversation (left brain) while playing an on-pace game (right brain), so perhaps the Zen of Tetris depends on distracting the Top Out portion of one's brain circuitry!!?
Hmm this sound quite interesting. Could be something that I might look into
Loving the content, much love
Great chat guys. Kid got a powerful brain for sure :D
Thank you ^^
I got an 824k, then 850k a couple months back. I’ve lost motivation since then and stopped attempts. Seeing this video has kick started something for me, and I want to get my first max out by the end of this year!
You can do it!
@@ITZsharky1 I could not!
@@KwakeSlayer well keep on trying! Remember don’t try to burn yourself out on chasing it. Somethings come when you least expect it
@@KwakeSlayer got it yet
@@ryanamburgy2791 i don’t think he got it man
Awesome vid guys thank you
Thanks for the informative video! I really appreciate highlighting the psychological factor that plays into getting a maxout. I don't really play nes tetris that much (maybe once or twice a month) so every time I sat down to get a maxout, I would get 1.1 or 1.2 pace, only to throw it away at 900k on level 25 lol. Today I sat down and threw away the 1.1/1.2 pace and safely got my first maxout! :)
Nice uploading pace!
Thank you for this video! Great work and "daaang" Sharky is a bright mind :D
Here's some interesting things I researched.
The theoretical earliest you could max out at would be level 22 with 170 lines cleared (not including push down points).
The maximum theoretical score prior to the kill screen without push down points would be 1,490,400 points. (Displayed E90,400 on the scoreboard). Since the highest score is 1,357,248 as of 2020, it's going to be even tougher to claw that 133,000 off, let alone the luck needed to pull that off!
Maximum theoretical score at killscreen is actually 1.5. There is approximately 750 on both 18 and 19 that you can score
Gg
Crazy watching this again when you are now so close to getting your own maxout
Nice 👍 this information is very helpful
Then mission accomplished
Keep up the good work! I have an idea: have you tried composing a piece based on a game of tetris? Say assign a note to each block that appears and make something out of them. Like what you did with pi. :D
Poggers idea :O
just maxed out last week and i wish i had this vide before hand!
"Super easy. Barely an inconvenience."
Manuel Salokangas that what she said
I understood that reference.
*Joseph is laughing right now*
Thank you for sound normalizing the screaming bellow your speaking volume so my ears didn't bleed out of my headphones. Underrated technique for sure.
Over 2 years later scout can finally answer the title (he maxed out a few days ago)
I definitely understand the idea of not changing your stacking when you switch from DAS to hypertap. A lot of time I always think that I can survive higher than I actually can when I try to perform hypertap but actually I can’t even tap constantly at 12-13hz lol, and I can’t react so fast when I see the next piece so I always mess up at 19 speed🤦♂️
Very inspiring
I finally got my first maxout after 5 years of playing. Always played on my phone then tried keyboard just this year. Safe to say, I got extremely lucky and it was also at a funny day, April 1st.
congrats!
I had no idea max outs were so rare. I got my first max out back in late 2018, I should try again and get it on video!
Very few people have it but a lot of the few have multiple. I got number 34 and 35 today
Currently 200 people have a maxout, but between them, they probably have a total of upwards of 10.000 maxouts. Like Harry said, once you can get the pace, you can get them quite consistently.
didn't expect sharky to show up lmao
:D
Sharky is one of my favorite players. It was fantastic to see him in a video here!
By the way, I've always been a little confused about the "quick tap". Perhaps someone could post a more technical examination of this technique , with slow-motion analysis, and an explanation of exactly when the quick tap happens. Or if that's already been explained in a video, a link to that video. Thanks!
I explain it in a little more detail in the 19-5 video. At some point I will probably make an exhaustively complete video on DAS that talks about it at a game mechanics level, but it will be a lot of work.
Basically, with fully loaded DAS, the pieces will move to the side one column after 1 frame, and then one column for every 6 frames afterwards. A quick tap is when you lift up your finger and tap a second time right before the final column you want to get to, and take advantage of the first side movement being 1 frame. If you time it perfectly, the final movement will only take 2 frames. You can look at the animation in the video for a demonstration.
@@aGameScout Thanks. That's a very helpful explanation!
Anyone know where scout got the order of people’s max outs? Like not only when they got them but what number they were? Great video!
There’s a spreadsheet of every confirmed maxout player.
@@ITZsharky1 Where is this spreadsheet for us to see?
@@melodywawichi802 docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uzb-kYd3XRHWxrB31EvnQZWhXn70rjhQVWf3gml63-Y/edit?usp=sharing
@Manuel Salokangas do you have the link to that server?
Great video! Love all your Tetris content
:o *Whats Good Dude!*
@@ThickWalrus wassssup
@@cockedandglocked ay
@@cockedandglocked remember when you look for that passcode to save em from the zombies and accidentally fall out the window make SURE TO GARB THE *ROBE!*
sharky's hair takes up over 50% of his head
Sharky is a true champion!
Not yet. Just a guy trying to help grow the community 😇
Finally PAL meets a maxout
I’m going to get an old system and start learning this rolling method
Jd just did 7 maxouts in a row, clearly we're getting to a new CTC era.
Love those calculations your brain is doing. :-)
Would love to see the sharky shake vs jani jedi mind trick at ctwc or anytime soon
"The sharky Shake" Is officialy dubbed as the HyperJolt. See CTWC 2019 Round 0 match for reference
:38 Lol sounds like Even his Dog is congratulating him.
As not a native english speaker - it was very useful that Terry Purcell shouted "I'm so exited" so I really understood that he was.
Great vid as always!! The quality is boarderlining criminal high.
14:26 "even on my fifth...." lol even on my 70th maxout, my heart is pounding out my chest
My heart doesn’t pound like that for maxes anymore unless it’s in comp. 1.1+ however is a different story.
WR oldest player to max so I def know about the difficulty..
But aren’t you like 34 🤨
ITZsharky You’re my favorite person for the day. Try 44!!!..
15:09 this is what made me so sad to see jonas lose in 2018. knowing now that if he’d still played safe he could’ve won a game and maybe even the championship
Yeah that was easily a 1.1 paced game
I loved this game 1995-7 I played for hours at a time tell my eyes watered, 228 was my max lines used to play for all Tetris’s tell 190 then singles maybe doubles tried to keep it to bottom four lines , lots of 200 plus games and lots of max outs , I though I was a Tetris master pushed down the hole time!!
That's some crazy cool hair 😎
*I have a question, can you use game genie on NES emulator* (the red one that Scout have)
Hit my first two maxes this week. W
35yrs old, just got a 350k from lvl 8 start. Topped out on lvl 17. DAS only. Maybe one day, but my timing is not what it used to be. I was really surprised to have lasted almost 20 lines on 18 speed... Lol, yay for me.
That's great! I'm sure given some time understanding DAS and getting used to speeds you can definitely put up higher scores!
I used to play tetris, but reacting to which piece it was that appeared at the top, then figuring out where to place it... lead to mistakes at higher speeds. I realised there is a small preview-window, which shows the next piece, but looking at that and then moving my focus back to and reacting on the board.. i was just too slow. Dunno if there is a good tutorial on how to use it. It kinda seem essencial to master, the preview-window... make or break.
I wonder what is the *hardest* way to get a maxout and the hardest maxout ever achieved?
And im not talking only about a killscreen maxout, but something like left well only maxout (someone did it if i remember correctly) or high input delay maxout emulator maxout etc
Harry did left well only in 2009. Plenty of people have emu maxes and LCD maxes (me included) maxouts from every level. Maxout with only one button presses.
I think jonah maxed out on a Dance Dance Revolution pad with his feet
Its hard. Didnt need a 20 minute video. You're welcome all
It’s hard but watching this video illustrates ways that you can strive closer to getting the max. As of right now we sit somewhere around 220 conformed maxout players :)
Yes
13:31 hey i'm in tv!
I already knew me and sharky have the same mouse (as he recommended it to me) but it's weird this is the first time I've seen him with it
And here's me, celenrating a 300k score after a lvl 12 start
I want a video with harry hong btw amazing video
its 64 in 2020 now lets go
I remember.
Now instead of 999999 as a high score, some have letters from the alphabet as numbers.
Like A=10 for example.
I like that way of score.
I got two tetrises on level 9 once that's pretty good right
A bit harder than 999,999, but not quite as hard as 1,000,001.
Technically getting exactly 999999 points is harder than getting 100001
Hi David, I'm a pretty new nestris player. I have been practicing nes Tetris on an emulator because I can't get my hands on a nes (yet).
I can play half decently on lvl 18 with a couple tetrises but I can't play on 19 only able to score 1 Tetris on 19. do you have any tips to help? I just want to be consistent on 19. Thanks and keep making awesome Tetris content
You just have to do 19 starts over and over and over again until you are consistent with skill stops. Slowly you will train your brain to recognize what moves are possible and get the timing down to get the pieces where you want. Getting proficient on level 19 at the beginning is all about knowing what moves are possible
@@aGameScout thanks so much! I will work on it
Pog
It’s all about the ufo’s !! Lol
What's the best way to be able to play on higher speeds? I can't consistently play on 15 without topping out quickly, alot of the time I wait half the falling time before making my decision which makes me misdrop alot, and not have enough time for the next piece. I can't really hypertap because im an emulator keyboard player rn.
Check the next piece, practice, watch ctm/ctwc to learn efficient stacking
Buy a console and throw the emulator away
So for you, you need to work on making decisions quicker. It seems like you struggle with being decisive on your placements leading you to fall behind on the decisions related to the piece in the next box. Best way to get better at this is to do both play more and watch more Tetris to see stacking patterns that can be integrated into your play up to a point where it becomes sub-conscience stacking. If you have anymore questions about it feel free to hit me up on discord at ITZsharky#2353
@@Sam-yv5vi I said play more in my comment :P
I'm curious about the maxout list you showed in the video. Can you link it?
There is a comment somewhere that has the link to the maxout list
I've found the link. Here you are: bit.ly/NESMaxouts
The Psychological aspect... yes, but when I did my first one, I realized it when I was 226 lines and 960k because I didn’t look at the score at all.
Yeah i know for a lot of people its a huge barrier. But once that barrier is broken (and much less shattered once you have like 10-15 maxes) it becomes a lot easier to score 1.0-1.1
@@ITZsharky1 Yes, my second one was a 648k transition from 18 and a 1.148k at 29, just two days later. Jumping that barrier is a great relief for nerves!
I strongly recommend everyone to watch it ;)
@@breandanvallance3107 LOL! Thanks man.
Its over 900,000!
Might try to get a maxout this month on emulator.
Sigh. Same
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Got it.
18:48 Freaking poggggg
7:09 sup eric, freddie, jake
omg it's Sharky I'm his biggest fan
Really? You should stop by one of my streams on twitch and say hi!
@@ITZsharky1 I do! I'm JimothyJimothy, I try to stop by when I can
😅 @Expired Toenail Yeah the name totally threw me off LOL
Buckwheat got good quick
Would starting on level 19 make getting a max easier if your good at 19?
I'm at ~880K right now.... i can smell the MaxOut in the distance :-D ... on one of these days.
Have you got it yet?
@@AkAtu_ sadly not, but LV 19 consistency has increased
@@DreckbobBratpfanne Well, hope you will get there soon😊
@@AkAtu_ thanks
One last question
Does playing on Nes on a Cwt really make fhe difference?
I play on emulator and I'm Italian, so it's pretty hard for me to find an ntsc console and cartridge
Mainly makes a difference if you are DAS. A crt will have 0 input latency while anything else can have 6 8 10 or more frames of latency. This really has an impact on lv 18 and especially lv 19+ play
@@ITZsharky1 So I'll probably get a small cwt to connect to the pc
Btw man what you've done for the community is awesome, been watching your streams a lot recently, keep it up and thank you so much
You can buy a clone console very cheaply (around 30 euros), which will play the same as a real console. Just the game sounds may be a little different. Plus, almost every European CRT will play NTSC in black and white, which is actually not harder than playing in colour, and still much better than playing on emulator. NTSC cart will also only cost you around 10 euros. Definitely worth it in my opinion
18:48 :pogmega:
PogU
Sharky’s hair looks insane I love it.
Oh I like doing spins alright, all kinds of spins, it's even in my name SuperVinlin
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