True lies about green cars | Auto Expert John Cadogan
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My old man had a green car... was an MGB GT. They were environmentally friendly for their time... dads rarely started.
That's were I thought you were going with that. I've had a few green cars of that stripe.
@Michael Jarvis There were lots of old green vehicles... Jags, Range Rovers and Triumph Stags rarely saw the road.
They also dissolved back into the ground after a few years.
Lucas has saved the planet from the consumption and burning of an immeasurable amount of fossil fuels.
@@bentullett6068 The famous dissolving car brands.
Datsun... Now Nissan.
Fiat.
Alfa Romeo
Lancia
What's the bet that report was written using ChatGPT and then published without proofreading. But I suppose that is not an issue as most politicians would not bother reading it, they would get a junior staffer to summarise it for use in a 10-second news grab. And like the report, they take no responsibility for the accuracy and will not make any corrections if wrong.
Probably just given to the intern...
Same people wrote that as the ones that say co2 is causing all our weather problems.
Which is bull shit?
@@AutoExpertJC ...Why don't you run for government,...I'd vote for you Angry Hobbit.
Automated crap with no human involvement!
@@rogerpearson9081 exactly scientific and engineering reality has gone out of the windows these days
Cheech and Chong's tour van is the only true Green vehicle.
Best green vehicle ever
The only one I would have !
Hey, it's me, Dave, here. It's worthwhile noting that their van was fitted with a duel particle filtration system that prevented the bi products that resulted from combustion entering the environment.
And the older it gets, it gets closer to carbon neutrality.
It's a brownout.😂
@@davidbrayshaw3529 Dave’s not here man!
That "outdated" Toyota hybrid technology is actually a masterpiece. Fully refined over the years, it works great. And that 'outdated' NiMh is really good. It works, it does not deteriorate much over the time, it does not explode or catch fire by themselves. I'd say it is good. And people know that and they buy Toyota, no?
And the journey to 'ecology' should be divided to some steps. First promote hybrids - much less fuel consumption in the urban environment, then promote EVs. Actually driving my hybrid Toyota in EV mode was fun and I'd consider buying a plug-in for more electric range.
The goal of pushing EVs now is not to replace ICE with 1:1 ratio.
I agree. I love my Hybrid RAV4 and its ingenious engine/gear-train/electric motor combo. If Toyota is so sh*t, as John says, why are Toyotas in such great demand?
‘It’s like getting a Baboons arse, and an empty jar and hybridising them, and coming up with a former deputy Premier of a state on the eastern seaboard”
😂😂😂
What ever happened to LPG? It used to be everywhere.
Never bought a battery powered anything that the damned battery didnt die early in. Shove the EV, gimme diesel and gasoline any day.
Did any of those battery powered anythings you bought ever have a heating and cooling system plumbed in to the battery? It's amazing what a difference managing the battery temperature does to longevity.
I seen an ad. The electric Mustang says daddy to a petrol Mustang. The boss Mustang says. Your not my son!
Germany has the right idea for using tram-style overhead powerlines on some motorways and trucks using pantographs to connect to them while cruising. We should focus on the heavy emissions rather than making small individuals pay an exorbitant price to cover up the real polluters who don't want to change.
Most of those with the wires at the moment are trials. Good ideas to try out though, but the outputs take years to come to light.
Although big trucks do pollute a lot, yes, the amount of emmissions per tonne has to be lower moving freight to feed people than frank going down to the shop to buy milk in a tank. Or when mid-day yellow vest types in vans/trucks, or taxis sit idling at lunchtime to keep the AC and radio on. That’s what bugs me as the most waste and unnecessary poisoning of our streets.
Hitler is alive and well, as Chancellor in exile.
Whenever anyone starts sprouting off about green this, electric that, global warming or existential threat I turn off and look for a bucket to fill.
John is spot on. PHEVs are the best concept. Majority drives 50 miles or less. EV on local driving and put gas in the tank for longer trips. Also, no need for expensive DCFC installations.
I've always been attracted to Teslas. Historically they've made very nice heaps of junk. Had been waiting for real car companies to make good EVs. What seems to have happened is that Teslas now learned to make reasonably well built EVs in large quanities at a cheaper price than real car companies can. Add to this you can drive a Tesla up and down the east coast and easily drive past every 2nd fastcharger location each containing at least 6 fairly well maintained fast chargers. Was unable to even book a testdrive with Kia EV 6 or Ioniq 5. At the moment Tesla is the only game in town, particularly for those of us who live regionally.
Well built and Tesla.
LOL.
You have clearly not looked closely at one.
Everything fits where it touches, build quality is shonky as hell.
It's like they have been crashed from the factory and fixed in a back street bodyshop, then delivered to the customer.
Maybe on the coast. Taking ferry boats.....
Why would you want to buy a 70 to 170 grand piece of crap ( tesla )
Made in China?
@@sahhull Yawn. Owner satisfaction disagrees A LOT. That's a tired argument.
@@JT_771 Many owners are far down the Elon Cultist rabbit hole, enough to over look the paint, panel and interior quality issues - even when they have to make warranty claims to get things fixed. Now I'd agree that it's not "shonky as hell" - but it's not anywhere near as good as it should be for what are quite expensive vehicles. To back up my statement, I'd direct you to Tesla's generally very poor performance on almost any well respected vehicle reliability/quality index you care to name. Individual Tesla owners who have bought into the brand may state they are satisfied - but actual numbers of reported faults do not lie, and Teslas are pretty crappy.
The company that my wife works for bought a fleet of Mitsubishi PHEVs, no one will plug them in at home due to the cost of electricity here in the UK and the company won’t fit charge points at the offices, but the benefit in kind company tax band makes it all worthwhile.🤦🏻
Spot on about PHEVs, John. There is also a case that many more PHEVs can be made than full EVs, given the limited supply of battery cells.
Production of cars using Sodium Ion cells has begun. Tesla has a new more efficient engine that uses no rare earth minerals. We have plenty of material to hold us over until they are the rule.
Car can only be green if you paint it green..
So true. The only green vehicle is a bicycle.
@@dan2304 made from sustainable timber
Enjoyed that, thank you.
Also enjoyed this when I found myself for some reason on a forum called Whirlpool or something like that. They were discussing JC and someone wrote: "Which is the real John? The blokey bogan on youtube or the slippery swarve buisness salesman?" Education eh. Where would we be without it?
I really appreciate your videos, and I am still loving the Kia Optima I bought 8 years ago following your recommendation.
John have you heard about the trouble people are having with kia and Hyundai with engines blowing up and other major mechanical problems ?.
Involving class actions ?
Where can one acquire a list of Australia's Chamber Pots of Commerce?
A pity the EV/PHEV/Hybrid sales stats don't also show the numbers on order but not yet delivered. I ordered a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV in September last year. Delivery date is listed as December this year, but I wouldn't put money on it. Kia dealers are not even taking orders for an EV6, the waiting time now being over 2 years!
I agree John hybrids seem to be complexity overkill for the extra economy gained. As an example my 2010 tdci Mondeo powershit yesssss was backed into earlier this year. Whilst in the shop I was loaned a brand spanking new Hybrid Camry. I drove it as I hyper mile my Mondeo and over two weeks it averaged 4.6ltrs/100klms Sydney burb driving. My powershit with 230000klms uses 5.3ltrs/100klms for the same driving.
I have a Pug 407 Coupe 2.0 HDi with 150k at the time. Your Mondeo has the newer version of my engine (which is more fuel efficient). Similar story except I got a 2018 Mondeo Vignale, CVT gearbox'd hybrid 2.0 petrol. I hypermiled that and got 42.5mpg. Whereas the same journey in my pug would happily do 60mpg on that same journey, driven in the same manner.
@@khalidacosta7133 unfortunately we only got the powershift in Australia. Mine had the clutches replaced by Ford as the second owner in the third and final year of the warranty at the time. Overseas they had manuals available matched with either the 2ltr or 2.2ltr diesels which would have been ideal as I prefer manuals. Very popular in Britian as taxis and rental cars where they rack up huge milages very reliably.
Compare it to the Mondeo with a petrol engine and you'll see there is quite an improvement. Diesel is still the best solution for long trips and bigger cars. But a diesel plug in hybrid might be a good solution.
Good points made. I did a fuel cost per 1000km on dozens of vehicles compared to my TDCI MD Mondeo. The closest large car was the Camry Hybrid which was only 4% cheaper for 1000km. The low down torque on the Mondeo blows the Camry H out of the water, not to mention the mammoth load space and driving dynamics.
A diesel does have a huge economy boost, though - and the problem is that while the diesel is better for climate change mitigation, it's pretty awful in terms of air quality.
Loving the videos JC!
Keep up the great work!
Hi John, I have had a Honda Clarity PHEV for 5 years and driven 140,000 km. Overall very efficient, does exactly what you say; city drives on EV and long distance on petrol at 3.5 L/100 km. Less batteries to build (less diesel burned in mining) means less batteries to recycle too. I dream of a car like the Clarity that would have a slightly bigger battery (more range in the winter) and was able to DC fast charge (Level 3) so I could do quick top ups when an EV charger is around. Honda didn't promote that car at all and nobody buys them used either. So far it has been reliable and a good car, but they've discontinued it. Can I find another PHEV 5 seater on the market? Here in the Great White North there isn't one. I guess I will drive my Clarity into the ground. Love the channel! Thanks
Love your work 👍
Hi from the uk
The mitsubishi outlander plug in hybrid is one of the most popular domestic and company vehicles over here, a survey was done and found that the majority had never been plugged in charging lead still in ist sealed bag. Just purchased as a tax efficient option
In Australia we do longer distances and there is fuck all in between?
My local plumber bought an EV van.
He calls it his £50,000 mistake.
Wait till he tries to sell it
Spending £50,000 on any vehicle you'd better be doing your homework (range, charging speed both home and rapid, and available infrastructure) and ideally taking it for a few days' test drive... I'm sorry if your plumber didn't have the right info and believed whatever BS the dealer said. EV vans are at their infancy compared to cars today but they'll improve.
For some they can save an absolute fortune. If you are doing say 80 miles a day, then there is maintenance. Your pretty much only gona need tyres, washer guild and after about 100k maybe some brake pads. Urban multi drop delivery services are making a killing atm. The EVs don’t really care about all the start stop like an ICE has to get the shit ragged out it all day.
Bit don’t kid yourself that your gona be doing 300 mile trips in it everyday.
Right tools for the task. Do your sums.
@@nettlesoup He was a plumber not an electrician......😄
The range is no where near what is quoted in the book.
Charging when out and about is a pain.
I could have told him how not fit for purpose they are when carrying weight . I hired one for a month for my business. I gave the thing back after 2 weeks. It was costing me time, money and customers.
Great video JC, except for one thing, what's with the calm placement of parchment on the worktop? Please bring back the crumpling of paper and sport of tossing into the bin.
So if you lease a plug in hybrid and get fbt exemption then refueling with petrol would see a large reduction in your yearly fuel costs?
If you go for the fully maintained option you eliminaye gst from the fuel and pay for it with pre-tax salary, so, yeah.
Many popular overseas sites detect VPNs and block access, specifically saying that you can't access their content via VPNs. Be careful what you choose to spruik!
Ive always said plug in hybrids should have been pushed by governments not full ev's and more people might have been onboard rather than against.
More chance of Doc Brown using the flux capacitor tech in cars ....
Thanks for the info 👍
Wanted to buy a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV and was told that if I ordered it now I might see it mid 2024 and if I did want one I had to leave a substantial deposit. I bought a Triton.
You've just triggered a huge bunch of Greenies right there.
@@davidnobular9220 oh well.
@@gerrycooper56 I'm gonna get onboard with a Pajero Sport.....
@@davidnobular9220 good choice
@@gerrycooper56 Sshh !! Don't let the🤑 TFBs read hear you say that !
Hi JC, you couldn't be more right. I bought a "Japanese Grey Import" 2019 Prius PHEV last Aug and couldn't be more happy as you quite rightly point out in this video. Like most suburban grubs in 'shitsville', predominantly most of my driving is around the 'burbs'. Most weekends we leave Melb for the Surf Coast. I get to about Pt Wilson - Little River on the M1 and the ICE seamlessly cuts in for the remaining 30 odd kms. I've now done 12,000kms since the Aug 22 purchase including a trip to Sydney. Average monthly fuel spend approx $20. Average l/100kms 0.8. Seriously when will the rest of these ...ers wake up. My only concern is/was if something goes wrong, I doubt Any Toyota dealer will have the where with all to attempt a repair. So Yes, I've taken a gamble. That said, I haven't bought a new car since 1996 and there have been 8 replacements since! Four of them hybrids. Everyone a Toyota. I helped manage Gas & Fuels fleet of 3,000 vehicles including 1,000 HiAce Vans. I saw the warranty claims, and I reckon it's still a good gamble. Typically I buy a 1-2 year old vehicle with 40,000-100,000kms on it, with 12 months warranty to run. The higher mileage will be a country car with high kms meaning a 100,000km country car, is approximately to my way of thinking, a city car with 40,000kms. Incidently, apart from fair wear and tear items not one car has had an issue of any sort. To get into the PHEV, I gave the 2010 Hybrid Camry (originally purchased with 100,000kms now at 200,000kms) to my son - halving his 2004 V6 Camry fuel consumption. Oh What A Feeling!
I'd love you to talk about the significantly poorer Safety of an SUV over a sedan or hatch. You'll kick the living shit out of me But, when Masters were still around, I put nine 3m Green treated pine sleepers in the back of the Prius (back door properly closed) and toddled home - not far! You should've seen the look on the Master's staff face as I loaded and then departed their premises!
For whatever reason, people have no idea how much safety they lose in going to an SUV and perhaps more importantly, how much you can actually get in a hatch or to a lesser extent sedan with the back seat(s) down. You might also like to point out how much extra they'll be paying in fuel (permanent extra weight), Tyres (bigger and more expensive to carry the weight). Just travel behind a "Cockroach" Benz or BMW SUV you'll soon see what I mean.
Keep up the Great work and well done. Thanks Daryl Lee (Chocies!!)
21:50 Hi John, do you have figures for total government vehicle (car) purchases for the same period? (so we can see the % of those purchases that are EVs)
Just to put it in context, how many vehicles do Australian government departments buy in a given year?
Not many now a lot of the state government ones in nsw are leased through some ones mate at avco (ANZ)
I tried to get a plug in Hybrid but due to the tax benefit and my often long trips but the lease company has them all with 2 year wait lists
I applaud your correct grammar tee shirt. Especially given that many car reviewers' demonstrate an inability to correctly pronounce 'H'.
Good stuff John, thank you. Did you see that QLD main roads dept. has modified the codes to allow for the increase of light vehicles GVM and GCM to allow for the towing of heavier caravans? I was unable to find any information on what and how much the vehicle GVM GCM could be increased by, other than contact an approved person for further information. Any chance you have more info on this? Cheers Mark
@crazyharry1586 That's bloody scary. I'll look into that myself. I'm not sure if you've seen video of some of the trailers that folks in the US states seem to think is fine to pull behind a 'truck' half the weight of the trailer and load they're pulling...The potential for disaster is real, and a plethora of RUclips videos attest to that potential becoming fact. @AutoExpertJC, I'd also like your take on these apparent code modifications.
@@BradGryphonn I first saw this on Big Rigs ( Australian truck newsletter ) posted 5 days ago "
News
More options to tow heavier caravans in Queensland
. It is also mentioned on the RACQ website but no information available to what the changes are.
@@crazyharry1586 Cool, mate. Thanks for the info. I'll have a hunt around.
And just how do Australians think their road trains work?
Drivers with IQ's above 90?????
Watch a vid the other day about it, its only 300kg's ish more. But must have modification to brakes. The suspension, axels and chassis may need reinforcing...... it sounds lot of hastle for not much more load capacity.
What are your thoughts on a HEV type car such as the Haval H6 or any other brand that is HEV?
#3, governments failed to buy Australian made cars when they were available.
Re the shirt John both are theoretically correct. A young goat or Kid on a slow spit roast, spuds, onions, and maybe some corn on the cob and you have a feed.
Thanks for the enlightenment.
Regards Tony
'Hypothetically' as opposed to 'theoretically' but yeah - agreed. Let's eat kids - the goat kind.
John, when a vehicle company can build an EV that will at the very least, be able to run from Cairns to Cooktown, via the inland road in the Wet Season, or the Bloomfield Track (through the creeks etc) in the Dry, without needing to recharge or dry out, or rest because the batteries are tired from the heat, and it can carry my supplies (yeah, needs to be a ute), then I'll jump in and grab one if the price is right. At the moment, they just don't suit my needs.
I suppose less than $5,000 new would be the right price?
@@donnairn3419 On my budget, yes. That would be a given. I mean, dad bought his FX for about 2000 2nd hand in 1967...
WA opened a hydrogen refuelling station in Dec2022...it is a very pretty blue colour with a nice logo "Emit Nothing Achieve Everything" (all in capital letters). Plus we have Andrew "Twiggy" Forrest and he is going to revolutionise the H2 world eventually. As an aside that has nothing, (and everything), to do with this fine report by yourself... yesterday I washed my DPC vehicle as I had just returned from a week at a DPC on the coast North of Perth. This morning I washed my 6L Dunnydore so I could have a clean vehicle to run around in until my next DPC adventure which, according to a friend, is to Bum F..k Nowhere (I think she has some aversion to referring to DPC as a place). As always I will continue to look forward to comparing your EV comments to those of other EVangelists and EV luminaries, thereby hopefully gaining a level of balance when discussions take place around the bush TV next time I am at a DPC somewhere in this great country. I hope my punctuation is ok and passes your scrutiny.
emit nothing is impossible. how is hydrogen made? theres the problem. clean energy doesnt exist. better summon nikola teslas ghost for clean energy.
Regarding fuel cell vehicles and the lack of progress. About 20 years ago the issue with fuel cells was the cost to make them, and that was due to the catalyst being platinum. It was difficult to make them commercially viable when each one had about $100K worth of precious metal in it. Now, I don't know if the platinum problem has been solved but the way they are being worked on (very limited technology demonstrators, or large expensive commercial vehicles) looks to me like it hasn't been entirely solved. The other technological hurdle with hydrogen was electrolyser efficiency. It was simply much more efficient to charge a battery than to make hydrogen. Fuel cell efficiency also looks like it might not be that great particularly at very low power demand. The other question is how responsive are fuel cells to changing load? If they need some load levelling, then that would introduce some additional inefficiencies. It looks like some FCEV's have a traction battery.
Hydrogen ICE's is an alternative to fuel cells. Cummins seems to be close to series production of hydrogen ICE's for industrial and commercial applications. Of course, hydrogen engines still make NOx, but they also make no additional CO2 at the engine exhaust at least.
I have a relative who used to own a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. He got rid of it because it was not a very fuel-efficient vehicle for his use case, mostly regional travel. All the things you said about hybrids not being good for regional travel also equally apply to PHEV's, plus PHEV's are worse due to the extra battery weight. The Outlander PHEV weighs a whopping 440kg more than its conventional counterpart. So why does a Yaris hybrid weigh just 60kg more than its conventional counterpart despite its shity old fashioned underdone Nickle metal hydride battery and heavy electric motors. Imagine if Toyota had used a lithium battery, it might weigh just 50kg more than its conventional counterpart. What difference would 10kg make realistically (note; - Prius C battery has 20 blades in it each weighing 1.04kg, rule of thumb is lithium weighs about half Nmh for same capacity, hence weight saving of about 10kg, Prius C shares its platform with Yaris). It would make it more expensive, possibly less long lasting, and it would contribute to the lithium shortage, but it wouldn't move the needle much at all on overall vehicle efficiency. Physics, chemistry and commercial realities don't respond well to fashion choices. Fancy having to drag around that hefty 60 kg when you could lug around an extra 440kg. Sure, different use cases will yield different results and my relative was pretty much worst case.
Hybrid batteries don't just mysteriously discharge as you drive along unless energy from them is used for some purpose such as running the heat pump or toping up the 12-volt battery. These are things that would tap energy off the engine in a conventional car so yeah nah, this is not a terrible hybrid only efficiency penalty.
It is difficult to find complex information on Outlander fuel consumption. The EPA has a gas only rating for the PHEV i.e. once depleted. This is a rating of 26MPG combined, compared to 27MPG for the conventional Outlander. The depleted rating for highway only (worst case) is also 26MPG (26MPG city). The regular Outlander is rated at 31MPG highway (24MPG city). So, the PHEV Outlander actually uses 19% more fuel on the highway once the battery is depleted. An article in Which Car seems to back this up getting 7.5l/100km on a trip in a conventional Outlander and 8.0 to 8.3l/100km in the PHEV on the same trip (no EV mode AFAIK). To be honest either of those is still pretty good for a largish SUV. So 84km of EV only range (when new, 2022 or newer model) plus incrementally better fuel economy once depleted in urban driving but worse economy on the highway once depleted. Battery degradation will eat into EV range, and there has been the odd story of early Outlanders with significant battery degradation. Something to watch out for I think particularly in the used market. Some people think if the battery fails It'll just become a regular gas car. Not true. The car wont function without the traction pack.
In contrast the RAV4 Prime depleted rating is 38MPG combined, compared to a regular RAV4 hybrid which does 40MPG combined (41/38, city/highway), Non-hybrid is 27/33MPG (city/highway), all EPA ratings. So, the conventional RAV4 uses about 15% more fuel on the highway and about 50% more in the city. PHEV is also a little thirstier once the EV range is used up. Hybrid weight penalty is difficult to nail down. It varies from 55kg to 135kg depending on model, 2WD vs AWD, trim level, and market. I suspect other equipment additions and deletions are clouding the picture. In the Australian market the GX 2WD is 100kg heavier where as the cruiser is 75kg heavier. PHEV (Prime) seems to be at least 340kg more than conventional AWD version.
Where as the RAV4 is a parallel hybrid the Outlander is a serial hybrid at low speeds becoming a parallel hybrid at highway speeds. The fact that the Outlander fails to reverse the highway to city advantage in the hybrid version makes it a weak hybrid in my view. Strong hybrids will have better city fuel consumption figures than highway figures. The Mitsubishi Outlander (Gen 4) is related to the Nissan Rogue (Gen 3) aka the Nissan X-Trail. Based on the same Nissan/Renault platform. I know how you love Nissan and their serial hybrid system.
Point taken, but "traction battery" seems to be an industry standard term since the other (low voltage) utility battery plays no part in traction. At least, it's how my 12-year old EV manual refers to it.
The Toyota hybrids do work quite well. The electric cvt do help a lot, and it's very reliable compared to those belt driven cvt transmissions. And because they use Nimh batteries, they work better at different temperatures, and it's more reliable. Look at the outlander phev. A lot of battery replacements.
With hybrids you do get the regen braking. Now phev's are reaching over 130km of ev range. I know plenty of people using phev's and are only filling up the tank 3-5times a year. If gas prices are high, people will charge when possible.
Mitsu Outlander PHEV uses a 20 kWh Lithium Ion battery, which can go at least 10x further than the paltry 1.something kWh of the late 1990s Toyota hybrid tech still in use today. And you can plug in the Outlander at home or at work for ~80 km pure EV driving.
Also, I've never heard of a battery replacement in an Outlander PHEV. They have a thermal Battery Management System so there shouldn't be any further significant degradation beyond the initial ~10-20% drop depending on usage.
@nettlesoup well, i know there has been some on warranty. So expect them to fail after warranty as well. There are several reasons why a lithium battery fails. Too many charge cycles, too little charging. Parking it for days with low state of charge.Toyota is using lithium in their phev's, so their not that far behind on tech. But understandably, they use Nimh in their standard hybrids. They take charge at low and high temperatures and can handle more charging cycles, which is important when the battery is small. It's supposed to be simple and effective. Lithium isn't. It requires more advanced bms, cooling, heating, and that would add cost. Not better mpg.
@@DonKing86 Agreed on the BMS needing to be well designed to look after the battery health beyond 1000 charges. Lots of complexities going to full EV which some of the legacy automakers are only starting to understand. Many don't manage the battery temperature optimally and if they have the capability to warm the battery, some rely on the user knowing when to press a button to pre-warm before arriving at the charger.
It makes me wonder how many more legacy manufacturers are going to have to replace batteries under warranty in a few years time, as you mentioned they've had to for the Outlander.
On the plus side, battery tech and understanding is always improving, so today's 20 kWh battery packs should be much more durable than those smaller 13.8 kWh available in the original Outlander PHEV over ten years ago.
I'd always be a bit wary going for a newcomer in the EV space but anyone who's been making EVs for five years or more should be a safe bet. I guess check the warranty carefully before you buy!
Oh Australia of the half baked. Everything done backwards. Wouldn’t it be appropriate for governments to get infrastructure well on the way before the heavy promotion of green cars.. get a good tax system in place as well. Presently the only advantage of EVs in the city is to reduce pollution there. How much pollution is created from coal fired power stations if you plug in to a non solar powered outlet? We seem to be talking about 2% of transport 8% gross green house gas production max. That would be an optimistic figure by a long chalk too.
Toyoda himself said the time had not come for electrification of vehicles, but now they have reportedly entered collaboration with BYD, a battery specialist.
I remember that PSA were experimenting with compressed air as an energy storage method in a hybrid car.
PV=MrT
'MrT'? Like on the A-Team?
@@AutoExpertJC General gas equation auto idiots P1V1/T1 =P2V2/T2
PV=nRT
P = pressure
V = volume
n = amount of substance
R = ideal gas constant
T = temperature
Work is done to compress the gas my lovee
Would you count emissions due to vaping from tobacco smoking too
This guy actually makes sense..
I can understand why most new BEVs sold in Aussie are made by Tesla.
I spent the last week driving around the Brisbane and Gold Coast area in a rented model 3.
My choices for charging were the 8 Tesla supercharging stalls at the local shopping centre or using one of the similar number of charging stations dotted all over the Gold coast in ones or twos.
On a weekend all the stations were quite busy. In the places with one or two I risked turning up just to find the last one had been occupied. With the Tesla superchargers there were 8 so usually there was at least one or two available. If they were all full there were three waiting bays where I could park and wait. The Tesla chargers were also more powerful so charging was quicker.
Sure, the Tesla chargers cost more per kWh than the other option but what's the cost of the time spent waiting for a charger.
IMO Tesla has the majority market share because they're viewed as status symbols, attractive primarily to early adopters who have money to burn, i.e., tech industry entrepreneurs and members of the 1% that consider themselves progressively minded. Other manufacturerers will struggle with sales until the general population can get on the bandwagon both in upfront costs and in being able to afford to trust relatively new tech. The 'dirty hybrid' is basically just a fuel economy improvement with no behavioural change required, making it a much easier safe bet for the average citizen.
Plug in hybrid would be the obvious way forward in the short term (issues of dangers associated with charging at home, grid load, etc., aside), but as you say, there seems to be quite a lack of effort to market/no buy-in from organisations. I wonder (cynically, perhaps) if the weaksauce effort from public/private decision makers here, obviously slowing the mass market uptake of electric vehicles, can be traced to the ice bucket looming over fossil fuel industry profit margins.
I would appreciate your expert opinion on the Aptera. Perhaps you could travel to the US and drive one.
I do like the subtle T-shirts 😆
Less gay?
Is the toygoata battery safer when it burns than the lipo of the more advanced cars?
Cars don’t use lipo (Lithium Polymer)
The most common chemistry’s are
NMC with Nickel Manganese & Cobalt
NCA - Nickel Cobalt Aluminium
-and more now becoming prominent LFP or LiFePo4 -Lithium Iron Phosphate.
LFP is the least energy dense but doesn’t have any issues like thermal runaway which is how you see many of the battery fires of other types.
@@salibaba i know this, I was being lazy because I couldnt remember the exact cemistry or how to spell, but the question was when the NmHi batery burns is it less toxic and easy for the fire brigade to put out.
@@spocklodgic I feel your spelling pain. I took ages to construct that last reply due to a fight with autocorrect.
NiMh batteries can be controlled easier with water to put them out as long as it’s not too hot.
Unlike some chemistry’s of Lithium based cells, if they hit thermal runaway, the fire becomes self sustaining, as it burns, it generates its own oxygen as part of the burning process. Thus it can’t be smothered. This is why many manufacturers are starting to shy away from these types, they can only be put out if they can be sufficiently cooled and also made inert. Otherwise they can re-ignite. That’s why containers are starting to be used. Dunk the car in and fill.
@@salibaba thank you for your answer, well explaned.
In india Hybrids cost extra worth a small entry level hatchback (3-5 lakh INR)
I still dream of a supercharged Mugen CR-Z. Am I sick?
One correction, Toyota has started using lithium ion packs in their cars recently. The new prius just switched to them this year for added electric range on the prime and to make it smaller on the standard.
Yes - quite correct. Sorry. But the volume sellers, like RAV4, are still NiMH.
@@AutoExpertJC from a cursory look the 2022 RAV4 hybrid also had lithium ion. I also saw some saying that the 2022 Camry LE also had lithium ion, though oddly the higher end ones use NiMH.
Either way I do agree with your original point that these are not clean cars because they have a battery, just pointing out a slight mistake. Really I don't think either changes much other than that lithium is slightly less safe but is smaller and can charge and discharge faster. None of that really will show to the driver though and none of it changes how clean they are.
I think Camry changed over in 2020-21...
@@AutoExpertJC lithium is probably harder to get a hold of. and theres nothing green about batteries anyway so who cares which chemistry is used. oil is probably the greenest thing we have. oil wells keep filling back up so its renewable unlike lithium you can barely recycle any of it. recycling isnt a clean process either. all this talk of green and clean is a joke there is not clean energy. its either oil or nikola tesla technology, you boomer
That's fine but I have read that Toyota in its wisdom has decided it will NOT be selling the 2023 Prius in Australia. Go figure that one out!
Recharging is easy anywhere - solar panel on the roof of your EV, just wait a couple of months while it re-charges - in the sun ofcourse.
OR don't go anywhere more than 15 minutes walk from your own house. We could call these places 15 minute cities....oh wait....
I have just got a outlander phev and I have done 1700km on 3/4 of a tnak of petrol
What year? Because mine is only 8 years old and close to expiry without the purchase of a 13k battery from Mitsubishi.
Seems to me that the car companies should be dipping into their pockets to create better pricing vehicles and more charging stations.
Seems like the automotive journalists and lobbyists have the same job...
The reason plug in hybrids have so much appeal is that.
On current figures they only cost a couple of thousand dollars ( as little as $4gorillas) more than an equivalent petrol vehicle and round town in stop start traffic they consume better than half the fuel of the equivalent petrol only car.
Stop start traffic is where the hybrid has a large advantage over the petrol vehicle.
Not necessarily because the hybrid is so efficient, but because the petrol car is at it's very worst in this situation.
A mate of mine ( retired) recently baught a hybrid and claims, on days with short runs ( local shops, ect), he had had the engine not run for three days in a row.
Another friend says she used to fuel up about twice a week in her previous conventional car, she say she refuels the hybrid every fortnight .
If the car companies could articulate it, plug in Hybrids would be such a better option.
C’mon, @Sound Man,
Your inconvenient facts may not be welcome around here.
Imagine if every new passenger car sold was a Hybrid, these owners would cut their emissions by half, over night?
Hybrid isn’t dirty tech like JC argues. It involves a fairly affordable marginal extra spend on the pure Internal Combustion equivalent to save half the fuel and half the CO2 emissions, allowing it to get into the hands of more motorists, while using a far smaller quantity of expensive and somewhat scarce battery materials.
So why doesn’t the federal government support adoption of non plug-in Hybrids?
And why can’t companies like Toyota import more hybrids? Not everyone is prepared to wait 2 years + for these things?
Hybrids hit the sweet spot in Australia, if only you could find one.
Plain English? Do we use that anymore?
All I seem to hear these days is legalese
All Ev and hybrids seem to have no spare wheels. Hmm no thanks I don't want to be waiting for a tow truck in Timbucktoo when I done a side wall and the go ain't going to fix it.
If government were serious about EV they should be forcing all new petrol stations to have at least 2 chargers
Definitely spot on John. I bought a Plug-In Hybrid exactly for these reasons. It gets me decent gas mileage on my long hauls between cities each week, and I run full EV when I am tooling around in the cities. Are you planning anymore live sessions soon? I would love to catch one at some point.
I usually drive through from Brisbane to goulburn, Canberra or jindabyne in one hit. No time to waste recharging. Especially when going further out to dingo piss creek. 😮
I have a 2014.5 Mitsubishi outlander phev and i (used to) love it! But the battery is shot after only 8 years. It randomly goes into limp mode and can be dangerous as it only seems to happen at highway speeds. Mitsubishi have just fobbed me off and am now going to the ncat for a new battery under Australia's consumer law. I would have purchased another if Mitsubishi customer service was any good and they stand by there product. They have missed out. Have a corolla cross on order. I'm pretty sure it is only because i am not the first owner.
Enjoy the 14 month plus wait time on a new Outlander PHEV..
Hey John, how about a tour of your workshop?
Hi John, I recently read an article from the University of Adelaide stating they had successfully developed and tested a catalyst for saltwater electrolysis. If the federal government deployed the nuclear submarine capital into green hydrogen technology and downstream infrastructure the country would be well on the way to an Australian fit for purpose solution.
The issue is political willpower, not technical / resource limitations. Greg Metha at UoA is also another expert in this area working on photocatalysis that will also make hydrogen creation accessible, fuelled by Twiggy's Fortescue money, too. There's so much hydrogen expertise here but our economy is as sophisticated as a 2nd world country - and we're not showing any signs of moving on soon.
Better off directing those funds to power gen & storage. Much better bang fer buck just sticking with electric vehicles vs the hydrogen thing. Not that they'll spend on either of them.
My rough calculation of a 3 megawatt storage battery for $2M USD or $3M AUD the $368B cost of the subs would buy 123 3MWH Mega packs which would provide 370 GWH of storage. At 18 KWH per home per day 370 GWH is enough for 10 million homes for 2 days usage.
@@danielstapler4315 but you'd have to spend that $365B every 15years at least. And you didn't account for industrial use of electrical energy.
But as the batteries are heavy they may provide you with traction in certain situations. Obviously not if you have to pick one up.
I think part of the issue is that if you look at the tata for one country it does not always translate to another. Australia has a standardised population density of just 3.3. The UK? 727. So if you want the same density of charge points it would cost roughly 220 times more per person. No matter which way you look at it, that is not affordable. Australia seems to need the ultra long range cells that are in the labs. For example professor Goodenough has a form of lithium cell that kilo for kilo had 5x the charge of current cells. That would even give a Nissan Leaf a practical range of about 1000km. Assuming that the current leaf has a practical range of 75% of the brochure range. Hydrogen cannot ever work. It is just not dense enough at 70g per liter and storing liquid hydrogen needs damn heavy cryogeic pressure vessels that partially work by leaking. In short there is no practical method for storing hydrogen in a car. For the record if your car engine was running at a mere 10hp (about 25mph for most small cars) and you had zero losses you would get roughly 2 hours running or 50 miles range. If it's an ICE hydrogen car then divide that by 3 and if it's fuel cell divide by 2.
If you take the population density for the south eastern corridor (Adelaide to Brisbane) the population density would be WAY higher than 3.3.
Also if you're going from Melbourne to Sydney for example you would probably be traveling on the Hume highway. Just one highway that needs charging stations for Melbourne to Sydney. Unlike the USA which has masses of small cities Australia has 5 big cities. Sydney and Melbourne would be number 3 and 4 in the USA top ten highest population cities.
What ever happened to the Holden Volt? An electric drive with a petrol powered generator dedicated to charging the Volt's battery. That was a decade or so ago. Seemed promising at the time?
A massive clusterfeck then and so today. Qoud erat demonstrandum.
From what I have been able to find out the Holden Volt was probably guilty of being ahead of its time.
It was a type of hybrid, with one big difference.
Where most range-extender vehicles allow you to use battery power until the battery is discharges and then shift to conventional petrol power until you plug it in to recharge, the Volt's petrol engine (a 1.4-litre unit) was only ever used to recharge the batteries on the fly, and never actually powered the wheels. A bit like a diesel electric submarine.. Porsche designed a heavy tank during WW2 that had an electric drive train that got its electricity from a diesel powered generator.
Seems that technology is now positioned to be 100% electric with no real need for the range extending options?
I'd like to get hold of a Volt. Just for a look, Oh, and a drive..
There is an old saying that one tends to hang around and enjoy the company of people who think like you do. Cuts down on the uncomfortable question asking.
Your take on this EV hysteria BS is so relevant and is what the car and general media should be doing if they could get their heads out of their group rectum of the companies that pay their. the media, wages.Cant argue with idiots. Remember that.
Possibly your best ever video 😂😂 bloody terrific
I didn't know the NRMA purchased 15 hybrid cars. I think that the only refilling point outside their HQ.
96HRS RECHANGE EV ON SOLE POWER OUT NO POWER POINT
LIVING OUT AUSTRALIA BUSH NO CHARGE IN 600KM HERE
THANK YOU FOR VIDEO
With respect to Hydrogen production. Yes. It's a filthy process, much the same as many other chemical production processes. For a graphic look at what the reality of chemical production looks like, take a drive along the road from Gladstone to Yarwun in Queensland.
All chemical refining involves 'dirty' processes that hurt the planet, and therefore, Greenwashing has become a business model.
Where can I get that awesome T Shirt?
I really liked that one John and for me a semi country dweller
The plug In hybrid would be the go 👍👍if I were a rich man but I’m not
So I will have to stick with my hydrocarbon machine until I may get lucky enough with the lotto
And then I’m going to by myself the outlander plug in thingo
Our engineering office has a hydrogen section starting up this year. At least it's finally happening.
Didn't you said years ago that PHEV (Outlander) are not good? You need to maintain 3 systems instead of one, you haul two systems weight, battery is small and need to haul engine, so shorting range, than engine must haul battery and E-motor, so also fuel consumption is higher ... and now I hear PHEV's are OK? What did I miss?
Thank you.
Loved the flash of paper to the side, instead of the screw up paper and throw.
Mixing it up - yeeeeeeeeeeessssssssss!
And you can doodle all day.
Toyota refuses to sell the RAV4 Prime plug-in in Australia - fail to understand why. I thought they had switched to lithium for the RAV4 but if they haven't... nickel-metal hydride batteries are inherently safer. The batteries may have less density, but given the application as a lowly ‘hybrid’, would there not be efficiencies to be had with less complex cooling and safety systems?
Quite simple, you’ll buy what they bring, and like it. It’s cheaper for them to sell high volumes in countries where it benefits them to avoid carbon tax fines and the like.
AUS has no such policy’s so they can dump whatever shitboxes they want on your shores. And it’ll sell as long as it’s less shitter than a competitors shitbox.
Hi John , fan and camo shirt hater here , is it possible you could do a video on GHG on the manufacture of a Tesla say compared to an older Hilux? Because new cars we all don’t have so a uniform comparison because of the misinformation on the internet claiming Teslas are cleaner to make including the battery (from the US E.P.A.) whom I wouldn’t believe for a second even if they told me the sky was blue
@John. I recently bought a RAV4 hybrid and I don't understand why you are that negative about it's fuel efficiency. On average I drive almost 19 kilometers per liter. I'm quite content with it. That's more efficent than even an average ford fiesta or opel corsa.
Let's go full EV!!! , so we can watch the world burn 😂😂 when they all decide to thermally run away.
I can't see any compelling reason to not keep using my 1992 diesel landcruiser as it's built so well it will outlast most vehicles built since the turn of the century 23 years ago.
Wow how embarrassing for Austrlian Government
Embarrassing Australian Government? True!
Peter Zeihan has an interesting take on EV cars. Apparently the metals needed to produce them are ok on a small scale but are not available for mass production.
Thats the WEF plan... No cars for us plebs
@@sahhull us mail is going electric was a headline but is actually code for quiet quitting. 😂
Correct. There is not enough battery material on earth for an all-electric fleet to replace all existing vehicles. It’s lunacy
@@sahhull You vill live in ze pod, eat ze bugz, own nuzzing und you vill be happy" [or else....]
Doesn’t a hybrid emit lower emissions then a combustion only vehicle therefore it classifies as a low emissions vehicle?
My V6 Accord had an LEV sticker from the factory when I bought it new in 2009.......
Gee John, I think that I prefer nickel hydride batteries in a Lexus or Toyota ‘cos there is less chance of the car self combusting. I am watching with interest what Toyota produces as a Hilux hybrid, will it be tuned for economy or power as I tow our caravan with my 10 yr old FJ Cruiser. I’m a Toyota bloke, just saying.😎🇦🇺📷
Some of us buy our second most expensive purchase to drive a reliable car that is also (wait for it) FUN! Remember that?
I think the authorities have rooted driving as a means of fun.
@@AutoExpertJC They are trying for sure - in both meanings of the word.
@@AutoExpertJC yeah 25km/h over the limit will do your licence in Vic. They have also dropped the speed limit on all the good roads from 100 down to 80 which just kills the fun aspect those roads presented.
Plug in hybrids give more options although don't expect a quick charge. It's probably ok if you work 2 days a week. 😅
So its good for people who don't want to work?
Well most tend to be able to do 50miles to a charge before the engine has to take over, some you can change the priority and the cut in point, eg Mway speeds.
You charge em when they’re parked up doing bugger all anyway. At home or at work. They tend to add in charge at about a rate of 10-15miles per hour plugged in.
@@rogersmith7396 Or drive anywhere.....
I'm pretty sure car makers are gunna have to make evs, hybrids, phevs etc far more financially viable before there is any decent uptake.
Your thoughts on this one are sage here John.
I’ve got an EV here I. The UK. Can charge at home. 99% of my journeys are well under 100 miles and we have decent enough charging here I can go far when required. A hybrid or PHEV would be silly for me.
I’m with you that I can’t fathom for the life of me whey they’ve not rocketed in AUS, don’t most folks there have plenty of space for things like driveways/garages. Overnight recharging of a short range battery has got to be a boon down there, then rely on the ICE for the weekend jaunt or granny in the next state over.
Are there many PHEVs over your way which can tow?😂
Main issue in AUS is the EV has no subsidy, insurance more due to cost, licensing is same or more, cost is double same ICE vehicle so absolutely no incentive.
A small KIA EV6 $72,800 plus $8000 on road, a KIA Sorrento $47800 plus $5400 on road.
$30,000 is a lot of fuel and servicing. The break even would be at 8 - 10yr mark if you don’t account for electricity price or servicing EV.
You stated the reason in your comment. Space yep lots of space & no chargers!
Have a look at a map.👍
@@0Aus Did you not get the point of my post. I'd try crayons if I could.
For those who have space at THEIR HOUSE such as for a DRIVEWAY or GARAGE.
They buy a PHEV or 1x BEV & 1x ICE for 2 car households.
They then fit a plug socket AT THEIR HOUSE.
The electric covers the bulk of the near home driving cheaply.
The ICE covers the longer / further away distances where plug availability may be questionable.
@@bushmagpie3312 Exactly, no one is going to bother changing unless it's 'better' for them.
It has to be either Cheaper, more convenient or they have to be engaged to be green. You'd need AT LEAST, one of these factors for anyone to buy EV.
I to have the same gag reation when thinking about the nations capital.
Electric golf buggies are registered vehicles, are these vehicles counted in the numbers in the report?
I like the idea of PHEVs, but isn't the whole battery/electric part of it so heavy that it severely undermines efficiency?
It’s not a very big battery, it’s probably gonna be a fat bloke in the back seat extra weight. And they generally put turbo’d putt putt under the bonnet to do the extra lifting.