I think it should be noted that making this video has been making me want to wear my speedmaster even more and I have it on my wrist as we speak....the irony is not lost on me 😂
Very true! And actually the more I think about it I think I like the speedmaster as "a speedmaster" more than as a chronograph if that makes sense. I love it as a chronograph bc it's so well designed however much of it's staying power is based on the proportions, case/lug design, and the aura of space. In the end no other chronograph out there can combine these aspects into a package as compelling as the speedmaster (for my tastes at least). All this makes spending anything more than $500 on a chronograph a bit daunting😂
Wonderful video, thank you! One significant functional advantage of the chronograph - you can measure events that are interrupted by other events by stopping and starting the chronograph. You cannot do this with a diver 🙂 Also, best of both worlds is a chronograph with a diving bezel 🙂
Really solid points. I'm glad this didn't just focus on "style" but actually gave concrete points, like starting timing in the past, use for countdown, etc. I've got a speedmaster so I'll try to outline some of the benefits over a diver: * A chronograph can be started and stopped without having to see the watch. You can keep your eyes on whatever you're timing to make sure you start at perfectly the right time and stop at the correct time. * A chronograph can add time together. So if you're timing how long you spend at red lights on a drive you can pause the chronograph between them and have it add up all the time. Classic example would be timing sports, since you can pause during a stoppage and resume when play resumes. * A chronograph reading does not have to be read as soon as the thing your timing completes. You can pause it and recall it later. * A chronograph can be started on far shorter notice. Setting a timer bezel takes a bit of time. And like you mentioned, accuracy of the reading. A chronograph can be accurate to fractions of a second and a diver will only be accurate to within 30 seconds and can't time things lasting multiple hours. So timing how long a film is etc. is much more difficult, or timing for sports where you need to the second accuracy.
Very good points. I definitely notice the benefit of legibility with a dive bezel vs a chrono sundial, and when I am cooking I very often forget to start timing right when I put something in the oven, but with a dive watch I can say “that was about 3 minutes ago” and just adjust accordingly
yeah being able to set the time in the past is small detail but for me a huge advantage! It would be an interesting to see if a chronograph would ever be able to manually add minutes before starting lol
I think it's likely that when you get sick of divers (however long that takes) you'll go back to chronographs and when you're tired of that you'll go back to divers. Spend enough time mostly with one and eventually the other starts looking better. I'm coming off a near decade run of divers as a primary and now all I can think about is chronos and aviation pieces.
loooool yeah that sounds just about right even in terms of wrist time! I love my divers but i need a palette cleanser every once in a while. Actually I wore my speedy again after a long time bc of this video and now I've been wearing it quite a bit which is ironic considering the video! I'd love to make a switch and concentrate more on chronographs although thats a change that cant be forced in my case lol. Speaking of chronos and aviation watches the navitimer has been a watch that I've been admiring for a veeeeery long time. Not sure if I can justify it given the wrist time chronographs usually get
@@thewatchidiot I think the Navitimer (one of a manageable size) is a worthy addition and offers a more classic and versatile look than the Speedy. Breitling has a way with bracelet design and their classic styled pieces are timeless. Not sure if I would own one at this point however, I have a few luxury pieces left but I'm disenchanted with spending so much on a single watch. Having recently reconciled with quartz (after many years of senseless rejection) I found my interest in collecting rekindled by going back to my earlier days of Citizen, with no shortage of gadgety dad-watch goodness. If I am to be completely honest, I got far more a thrill and enjoyment out of getting a $200 restored Navihawk from the 90s than I did out of my first Rolex (explorer II polar maxi) even.
Lol yeah the smallest possible navitimer would be the choice for me, the slide rule is just so much fun to use! Yeah I totally get what you're saying most of my wrist time is taken up by watches that are around the 200-400 dollar range, my Seiko SNE569 solar quartz diver was my most worn watch of 2021! I'm glad you're enjoying quartz, I love quartz bc of the practicality and it helps that it keeps the price of watches down as well lol! And the technology behind quartz and high accuracy quartz movements is pretty incredible
Thank you. I was seriously contemplating making a video on this. But now I don’t have to. You did it, and very well done. I own multiple divers and chrono. My latest diver is the Bulova Presicionist. My favorite chrono is the Omega cal 1045 with the center chrono minute hand you mentioned. I don’t swim but wear divers for their easy legibility in almost any light and for functional purposes they are built tough. I also like that they are often large. My Bulova just mentioned is just over 49 mm diameter, not counting the crown. Perfect size for me. The bezel on my divers is in constant use at work and at home, so for me it is a real “tool” watch. Keep up the great videos.
Nice explanation. Tissot Seastar 1000 Chrono for less than $600. The best of both. Also, 30m water resistance rating is more than enough since most scuba divers don't go below 18m. (This Tissot has 300m rating.) The Seastar is also available without the Chrono. I agree that the big numbers on the dive bezel look down-dress compared to a chrono, but it seems that most dive watch wearers tend to be 'Desk Divers', more than actual divers.
Fantastic video. I always use dive bezel as gmt. Can you make video of Mako 3 Chrono? I really think that is a perfect tool watch with a charm of a panda.
I’m a Chronograph guy. I love the complexity and mind-boggling diversity of Chronograph designs, and i own too many of them. However, if I had to choose one watch to wear for the rest of my life, it would probably be a diver. They’re not even my second favorite style of watch, but they’re the most rugged and useful of any watch genre, by far.
I really do wish I was more of a chronogrpah guy but unfortunately chronograph wrist time doesnt reach my love for them. i love the look and their movements are undoubtedly more interesting. However i love using dive bezels and i love how legible and crisp they can end up looking. best solution is having both in a collection lol!
Thanks for the video. I had similar reasoning regarding the timer aspects and would prefer more face simplicity and waterproofing. I plan to sell my speedy day date triple reduced automatic 39 and buy a Pelagos 39. I'll benefit from more accuracy which I hope to prefer vs regular winding
I’m a chronograph man even though I’m not a watch collector. I’ve got two watches only😢 both are chronographs. I like that the face is kinda busy and more complex than drivers.
I love the channel title. Also, most of us own both dive style and chronograph watches. Furthermore, Seiko Solar chronographs do not need to be wound and set. They just have the right time, or are one hour off after daylight savings.
All good arguments on the Dive bezel. To take it a step further my daily wear is a GMT divet with a 24 hour bezel. The 24 hour bezel just makes it easier to track thd thord timezone and I do use three timezones in my daily work. Similarly using the dive bezel for a second timezone it is a snap to use the 24 hour bezel for a timer. And my lume lasts all night even after wearing long sleve shirts that cover the watch most of the day. Thanks for an interesting video.
Sure thing I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Yeah diver GMTs are awesome and honestly any GMT with a rotatable bezel would work well for me for timing! GMTs are my second favorite kind of watch for sure even though I really dont use the gmt function very often. I just like the look of an extra hand on the dial😁
Yeah chronographs as a complication are undoubtedly more interesting especially from a mechanism stand point. I wish i was more of a chronograph guy but i cant get divers of my wrist lol!
@@thewatchidiot you’re doing the saying: keep it simple! or less is more! and cannot live with out anything of those 😆 By the way nice MM300 aka Asian dolphin 🐬
Lol divers do worry me less than chronographs so I guess it's a good thing I wear divers more😂 Thanks so much and I actually haven't heard of the nickname "Asian Dolphin" but I'm liking it a lot!!
The thinner ETA chronograph movement you mentioned I believe should be 2894, which is based on 2892 with a chronograph module added on top. Modular chronograph is something I always avoid.
ahhh yes thats it! thanks for letting me know and yeah modular chronographs arent quite ideal and come with many downsides but for a cheaper price and in this case a thin movement i think its pretty good value! Also i dont use the chronograph function very often in any of my chronographs lol!
Yes, that's the one! I own a Longines Master Collection Chrono Bicompax 40 mm which features this movement. I don't think it's COSC but still keeps time at about +4 secs a day. The watch case is only 11 mm thick and is in fact the thinnest of all my watches. I'm considering selling it to get a BB58 but I really don't know if I should. Although I almost never use the chronograph function, there's something that draws me to it. Plus the dial is absolutely gorgeous...
Both are great but I tend to wear my Speedmaster more than my Black Bay. I put a Casio on the bottom of a NATO strap and then put my Speedy on top to use as my travel watch. You get style, a chronograph, date, alarm, and a second time zone. It's a beast.
Good eye!! i was wondering when someone would notice that bracelet but its actually a San Martin bracelet from a different watch! it fits beautifully the only thing that is slightly off is the gap between the endlink and the first link is a touch wide but on wrist its a not a problem at all.
I think you thinking of the Longines Legend which have a ETA2892 movement, I don’t think it’s the thinnest movement but it is quite thin for a dive watch. Do you dive or do you just like the look of the diving watches, I always wonder how deep people think 99% of divers go under water when they talk about 100m or 300m pressure resistance and always tend to want to go for the highest amount. Most divers don’t even go under 50m never mind 100m or deeper so in the end it’s pretty pointless having a 1000m watch, unless you’re Aquaman of course.
I totally agree with all your reasons. I inherited an Omega Seamaster Chronograph from my uncle which is by far my favorite looking watch I own, but I wear dive watches most of the time due to their functionality. The Casio Duro is unbeatable at under $100 and that's what I normally wear when on/in the water. The build quality is amazing for the price and it can go up to 200 meters which is much better than most dive watches even 10x its price (also I feel bad going in the water or bad weather with a dive watch that cost me several hundred or more, the Duro is cheap and easily replaceable).
I agree with pretty much all of your points. It’s interesting to break it down as having owned both variants for years one often makes subconscious decisions about which to wear and in what circumstances. One final point, my Brosnan era Seamaster 300 seems to go equally well with a suit or when taking a plunge into a swimming pool.
A good collection has both. While there are pros and cons to both, I generally think that chronographs are more impressive and more interesting, but divers are more practical in everyday use. I'm not sure I follow all of the very niche points made here, but the water resistance and legibility of divers makes me say they are more practical. Also, how do you not have a Ball? If you love lime, you need a Ball. The tritium is insanely fun.
yeah its best to have both kinds of watches since they offer such unique experiences! and yeah I've been looking at Ball for quite some time mainly because of their use of tritium! They are priced quite well however i havent found a watch that has moved me enough to spend the money on one yet. I had a marathon navigator for a short while and the tritium there was awesome to see shining away in the middle of the night 😁
Thanks for educating me on the different ways of using the dive bezel! Agree with all your points, I also find the looks of the chronograph to be more versatile. My hesalite speedy with leather strap is incredibly light and compared to bracelet, rubber or nato, I find leather straps to be the most comfy. With all that said, my speedy do get ample wrist time but then again my collection is smaller than yours 😝
Yeah the dive bezel is a wonderful little thing! seems like its only missing slide rule capabilities😂 yeah it never ceases to amaze me how my speedy can look incredible on a black rubber strap, any nato, and then just as good on any leather strap then next minute! I do wish my speedy got more wrist time and actually I'm going to finally start a collection purge to make sure that the watches that are the most special too me (like the speedy) actually get the wrist time they deserve!
looool we're on the same page then! at one point a few years back i was close to selling my speedy but thankfully i didnt as it holds sentimental value and in the end i like having that as my only mechanical chronograph. but other than that I will always be backing anyone who wants to get more divers😂 What are you thinking of getting in the speedy's place?
@@thewatchidiot I'm in the same boat as you regarding the sentimental value of the Speedmaster, as it was the first luxury watch I bought in 2017. Every time I think this is it, I'm going to sell it; I get cold feet and hang onto it. Recently I have been drinking from the Seiko Kool-aid hard, because the two prominent watches I was looking at is an SLA143 where I would walk away with some cash in my pocket, but higher on the list is the GS SBGA231 Diver.
I would like to introduce you to the Omega Seamaster Diver 300m Chronograph, or as I call it, the BEAST. It literally does everything that you mention here, and the chronograph can be used underwater!!!
Dive watches are very versatile. Chronographs are situational in my opinion but I find it useful for driving and travel. Speaking about that, I wear my Timex Waterbury Chronograph when I'm on the plane since it has the quick time zone set feature and using the tachymetre to measure rate of speed and distance. Then I bring a dive watch for sports activities during vacation
Eerie how I’ve recently had this point hit home for me. My use case is driving at night. Ideally I could just look at my watch and see how long its been, but you can’t do that with maybe any chronograph. You can wear a gshock as well to compensate, but I’ve been searching for a dive watch as you say. I prefer when the crown is not screw down which makes for a search. If I can try it in person and it feels good then that can work. Also, the ideal is if there was both an inner and an outer bezel, for doing minutes and hours.
lol we're on the same wavelength! Yeah driving at night with a chronograph is pretty much useless and while a gshock is better i still have to either press the button with my other hand or flick my wrist to get the auto backlight to work. Nothing beats the ease of charging up the lume on a dive watch and being set for hours afterwards! Yeah trying on a watch in person whenever possible is the best way to go about buying a watch. As for a diver with two bezels, I'm not sure I've seen any around but the Bulova A-15 pilots watch has 2 inner rotatable bezels and its really cool!
Sinn makes some incredible chronographs and I'd love to get one of the EZMs! I was set to get one a few years ago however, to me, the thickness wasn't well integrated and it wore way too thick and high on my particular wrist unfortunately. It was quite disappointing bc I wanted one so badly so I guess I'll have to admire it from afar as one of the ultimate tool divers!
I’m mainly a Field Watch guy but he is right. The diver is the objectively superior mechanical watch for most people. Digital watches like casio or your phone are better chronographs.
As much as I conceptually love field watches and chronographs the utility of a dive watch is undeniable! And yeah thats very true a gshock for precise timing will be far more useful and much easier to read at a glance for sure lol
Chronographs are more fun though but chronographs seem to have more impressive stories. I actually love both and the Omega Speedmaster MW is such a LEGEND in every sense of the word and by it being such a important part of the history of horology it just makes it more fun same with having a Zenith with the famous 400 calibre saved by Charles Vermot
Agreed, I love chronographs so much but they just don't get the wrist time to match my love for them😬 and for the times I do want to wear a chronograph the speedy will be more than ok lol! Definitely a keeper watch for life
Less complication is always much better for me. Having owned Oris diver and racing chronographs at the past, i noticed that chronos are basically not for me. I started to prefer mid size divers.
The main reason for people buying chronographs seems to be fascination for the movement rather than practicality. For me the legability (and to some degree cost) outweighs the minimal practicality gain for any analog watch. The only "chronograph" I'd be interested in would be a digital G-Shock.
It all depends, I have 3 chronos in rotation and love using them for timing a lot of things I need to do. I don't have to look/remember the time, just start the chrono. Of course I can easily use digital watches for that...but that takes away the tactile feel u get from using an analog Chrono. It's like driving, those indiosyncracies is what make mundane chores a bit more fun. That's life otherwise where would the fun be? 🙂 Regards
Another interesting video TWI. I can't really disagree with any of your points. I'm a diver fan, a chronograph fan, and a whole bunch of other watches fan. I could have just said a watch freak. So after many, many seconds of thought I think I might just have the answer. The ideal watch is a diver chronograph 🙂. Examples are the Seamaster 300M Chronograph (previous non wavy dial generation) with a column wheel and coaxial movement. It is a bit on the thick side using a heavily modified Valjoux 7753 as a base movement but for chronograph readability it's very hard to beat. All the timing hands are in red with lume. It even has the diving bezel so you can time two different things at the same time. I love that watch.
Thanks as always Anthony! Same here, I think its best to be a watch freak for all watches! And you're absolutely right diver chronograph is the ideal combo for sure I actually got a Seiko diver chronograph thats a solar quartz to scratch that itch. The added utility and timing capabilities are undeniably amazing The SMP300 chrono is a beast for sure and while I havent seen your version I have worn the latest version and it was definitely an awesome experience. it was weirdly comfortable and i loved that it managed to retain the very specific "Seamaster Pro" feel. however, it was just a bit too big for me which would inevitably lead to lower wrist time unfortunately. I'd love to give it another go whenever dive watches start yielding some wrist time whenever that will be lol!
I got that po. Its real nice but crown is uncomfortable to operate. Its too slippery and hard to turn. It hurts your fingers, but besides that everything else is nice.
I guess this goes back to the age old question of diver vs chronograph lol! However I'm slightly biased towards the speedy here as it's one of my favorite watches lol but the Planet Ocean is a watch I would love to own at some point. The version with the orange arabic numerals is super cool definitely one of my favorite variants. If anything I would say that that planet ocean would be a more unique watch to own vs the speedy. Have you worn both watches before?
@@thewatchidiot I've never worn a speedy, I have had both a seamster 300 and a planter ocean with dark blue dial orange alu bezel. Ended up flipping both but tempted back to the PO. Prefer divers but the speedy has always intrigued me.
Ah nice yeah I had a black dial 42mm seamaster pro it selling that was by far my biggest watch regret and it's the only watch I'm going to re-buy at some point in the future. Usually I don't ever think about rebuying watches Ive sold just bc it feels like the money isn't being used wisely in terms of trying new things. Not sure if you would agree with that sentiment but maybe the speedy is worth a shot to get a new experience? Depends on how much you want a PO back on your wrist of course lol
Have 12 watches 4 chronographs 1dress and the rest divers. So yes divers get most of the wrist time. But that's party because I'm retired now and am dressing casual more. When I worked the first mechanical watches I bought were chronographs because they work with pretty much everything. Lastly as you pointed out. Chronographs can be hard to read and having got Older divers just work better for timing short inteval like when cooking than the chronographs. But I do love my chronographs and the buttons.
Yeah the versatility of chronographs (at least relatively classic looking ones) to be dressed up and down is pretty incredible. No matter how unsporty any one diver may be the fact that it has some sort of a bezel with big numbers outside makes it too sporty in my eyes. meanwhile I can truly wear my speedmaster on a rubber strap or nato and then put in on a leather strap paired with a suit! But the practicality aspect is there and the subdials are usually too small to read for any sort of mundane task and its happened so many times that i completely forget that I started the chronograph 😂
I think the biggest ding I have against a chrono is that they don’t tend to be as well suited to being dressed up(on average) plus they don’t tend to be water resistant and so if I’m on vacation and I go to the pool I don’t have to worry about jumping in as I don’t like leaving it in the room
As a person who loves divers more than chronos, i cant find one dive watch in the same league as mt seiko speedtimer. It wears well, looks more expensive than it is, and can be dressed up or down. Nothing ive seen in the $400-$500 range for divers moves me to buy it.
So much good sence in your perspective, 100% agree with you, I actually think the same about gmt watches. I have always thought the same, but been blamed by plenty of people because of this. I find the sub dials makes the dial too messy, those pushers look like warts to me, and kind of increase risks of getting stuck with staff .
Thanks man! yessss I absolutely love GMT watches as well and they actually have a big advantage in that many have a rotatable 24 bezel which for me is more than good enough to time anything I would need to time. If only my love for chronographs would be met by actual wrist time. Dive watches are just too good for me😁
@@thewatchidiot by the way, be patient about your questions on the ironwatch logo, I am waiting for response from them so I can direct you to the appropriate links and contact details, but it is their big holiday period right now, so will take a few days before I can give you accurate information.
Oh wow thank you so much for following up that's very kind of you to do so!! No problem at all, you can let me know about what they say whenever you're able! Also I believe you mentioned that a friend of yours will be doing a video on the seamaster one? Is that video up yet? I'd love to see it moving around!
@@thewatchidiot will do. As for the video, not yet unfortunately, I will keep you updated, he has just issued the rx8004 video a 14060 homage with some liberties, but still a great watch. Something he can compare as he is lucky enough to own the rolex 2 liner. Regards.
Yeah I agree with your points although my speedy gets more wrist time than yours does (especially since it didn't crack your top 5 last year lol) But the glories of the dive watch are there and when time comes to wear a watch that I don't have to worry about during any uncertain situations, it'll be my SKX or Pelagos
looool youre absolutely right my speedy was middle of the pack in 2021 in terms of wrist time at 15 days i think although this was the lowest total of all the years I've owned it. Yeah i think it would be very much the same for me the Pelagos and my SKXs are there whenever I want to wear a watch that will just disappear on my wrist and will stay comfortable no matter what.
I dunno, in my mind they are two watches for different purposes, unless it's a vintage chronograph, i have no use for it. I use my diver to time or know when elapsed time had finished. I totally get a modern chrono if you use it. Just like a GMT, I travel a lot, so that's what i wear when I'm traveling, working and communicating with family back home. So GMTs trump diver and chronos for me.
you need to find one chronographe you like and as many dive watch as you want! thats the correct way. mine is a breitling chronomat blackbird. Best of both world, chronographe and dive bezel, so you can choose wich one you fancy to use.
The Blackbird Chronomat is 1 of the best watches Breitling has ever made the size isn't ridiculous but I don't like the big date version as much as the 3 o'clock date window I really can't get into big dates
Yessssss any chronograph with a rotatable bezel would be high on my list and i love breitling for making so many watches with that combo! I've been wanting to add a navitimer for quite some time now however I'm not quite sure I'd be able to justify a big chronograph purchase given the wrist time chronographs get. I'm hoping things change tho 😂
@@thewatchidiot the bezel on a navitimer are of a different usage and feeling as a dive bezel. Don't sleep on first gen chronomat they are great with 40mm and 15mm high and even cosc like mine. They are of a sweet spot before huge breitling era.
@@lonewolfemcquade8133 yeah that's a big negative for the navitimer for sure bc as much as I can rationalize the 30m would be ok for normal use the fact that it's a chronograph would make it a bit more stressful. I've been tempted by the Sinn 903 quite a bit since it's got 100m. I think they got it bc the slide rule bezel is controlled by a crown at 10 o clock. And bc they're Sinn 😂😂
I understand that for the general collector they may not agree with your point's, I'm not that guy. I like the new Breitling Super Ocean the redesign looks great. I also like the Rolex Submariner with gold accent's over priced but attractive. I'm a pilot and and the readability is important. A chronograph is so easy for a watch designer to get wrong.
I wanted to disagree with you but I can't really argue with any of your points. I just like looking at chrono's more. I think I like the utilitarian dress watch approach moreso than tool watch but make it luxury approach, if that makes sense. The only strong argument against divers is the noise of the bezel I used to work in a quiet office and I could feel the eyes glaring at me as I skkkkkkrted the bezel to time a peice of work (especially if I overshot and had to go round again). No such issue with a chrono!
Yeah chronographs look awesome no doubt about it! and yeah utilitarian dress watch totally makes sense and I agree with that! Good way of putting it. looooool its happened many times before that I want to set or reset the bezel in a quiet place and its so awkward😂
Me and you feel the same about watches. I LOVE the way chronographs look, and I have 3 in my small collection (one quartz, one mechaquartz, one Valjoux 7750), but yeah, I wear my Orient Ray 2 in the evening so I can easily see what time it is as we're putting the kids to bed, and also it or the Vostok when I just want something easy to ready that I don't need to worry about while wearing it. Chrono for show, diver for go.
"Chrono for show diver for go" is a good one and it hits the nail right on the head! And I agree when I need a watch to just work and disappear my SKXs are usually what I go for but the feeling of wearing the speedy is pretty special but I never wear it when it rains outside (although I know it'll be ok lol). Divers should be able to survive some rain drops😂😂
Divers are better than (analogue) chronos because I haven't seen a normally readable chrono with 40mm or less in diameter. Also, because the bezel doesn't add any complexity to the movement, it's not so prone to breaking.
Indeed a Diver watch looks more attractive but not necessary does it means that it is elevated than a chronograph, it depends on the personality of the one who’s wearing it. I mean if a Racer wears a diver watch and if a diver wears a chronograph, its going to be a proper mismatch. If a timepiece suits your personality that will look the best on you. But surely the information you gave is very nice. I feel Timepieces are categorised according to the requirement of the wearer’s personality. There are many watches to choose for so many personalities. 🥂 cheers
Diver chronograph. I rest my case. I don't them but they work. Omega 300m chrono has lume, durability, function, and chrono pushers work underwater. It also looks real expensive, and for $16k I guess it should.
Loooool at 16k I should expect it to work as well! The idea of a diver chronograph is awesome and the SMP300 Chrono is really cool in person however it's quite big. Unfortunately it's a problem that'll come with most diver chronographs but it doesn't make them any less cooler😁
Yeah as much as I want to wear chronographs more often the utility of dive watches in my life is too "important" to pass on. Thats awesome to hear you're a speedy collector! If I were to spend big on another chronograph I have a feeling it would be a different speedy variant actually they're just too good. I've got it on my wrist now despite the video 😂😂
looool I'm pretty much the same as you! I feel like its good to have at least one chronograph to scratch the itch when the itch comes up but then it always ends up right back to divers lol
looool thats another good option and as cool as they are they do end uo bein quite big and thick which isnt ideal for me since i tend to go for smaller watches. I should give them a second look tho!
Hello watch idiot ! This video is on right timing for me , i m gonna put the trigger this week on a black pelagos after month of réflexion, and maybe sell my ... speedmaster . I m maybe gonna take a eta version of the pelagos , so for you , after years of pelagos , do you regret the eta instaed of the in house or not ? Thanks !
I wouldn't say "Dive watches are better than chronograph" It all comes down to what will you be using for the watch. You mentioned driving and using your dive watch. For this the chronograph is superior, because the chronograph will not only tell you the time but also speed, distance and more.
Yeah the way a watch is used is a big factor for what is best for the person in question! However for driving I find it far easier to get a quick and accurate read on the elapsed time on any dive watch versus having to stare down a tiny subdial on a chronograph while trying to look at the road!
A diver's bezel every time for me for everyday mundane timings. Chronos often have more interesting dials to look at let's be fair, but so many are way too thick due to their complications and have disappointing lume. Finally, sportier use or going on holiday such as swimming etc far safer with even a basic diver, that will often boast at least a plus 100 metre depth rating, most with screw-down crowns. I'd never take my Omega Speedmaster even in the shower !
Dive watches will always be better. Now the only chronograph that comes close is the Tudor as it has 200m water resistance. Even then, the diver watches are tougher and less costly of a movement to repair.
Yeah totally agree the BB Chrono is pretty cool although as cool as the screw down pushers look I have a feeling they would get in the way of using the chronograph as well. Divers will always be there for you!
@@thewatchidiot I agree as you simply want to be able to push on the pushers quickly without having to mess around with screwing and unscrewing the pushers. Divers are the best in my book. That’s all I have and I am able to wear them with a suit and a tux. My 5 digit and Tudor BB58 in black and gold get it done. I have to add the dove watches to me look so much better dressed up on a fabric strap than a bracelet. For me it depends on the strap. You can dress them up or down depending on the occasion.
Neither type of watch is better than the other. It's like comparing hammers and screwdrivers because they were designed for different functions. As for cooking, I want something with a loud alarm so I'm reminded when I get distracted while something is cooking. As for my own favourites, my collection leans heavily towards field watches 38mm or smaller - unobtrusive and out of the way.
Yeah they're tools made for different purposes but in the end most watches end up being an emotional choice and we wear what we like so it's fun to compare! Sounds like a speedmaster X33 would be a good watch for you since it has an alarm designed specifically to be loud enough to hear on the International Space Station!
I definitely dont agree. They're not 'always' better, they definitely not as versatile with outfits and I would say most straight divers don't look as good etc. A chronograph can be dressed up, only certain looking divers can. I also think many raw divers look way too tooly or functional compared with a chronograph (which looks awesome always) to be reasonably used as an all around watch.
You need the right tool for the right job you don't dive with a chrono and you don't use a dive as a chrono unless ofcourse its rated for it but I would not trust that for diving since divers have few places that water can seep in and legibility should be maximized!
Yeah thats a beast of a watch but a bit too big and thick for regular use on my wrist! Although it is a very cool watch and i wouldnt mind having it as a fun watch but I'll need to make way more money to have that as just a fun watch😂
Omega Seamaster 300m Chronograph pretty much completely debunks this whole video! Haha. Chronographs are something only true watch fans appreciate. Not for the newbie Gucci little piggies.
loooool yeah diver chronographs are great although they do end up being a bit too big for my taste although the SMP300 chrono is really awesome. for me any chronograph with a rotatable bezel would do but dive watches would still hold a special place for me!
Loool the Seamaster Pro 300 Chronograph seems to be a favorite judging by the comments section!! It's definitely a very cool watch and it feels awesome however it's just a bit too big for my wrist to get a lot of wrist time (and I can't afford it 😂😂)
I like fliegers too but they have nothing to fidgit with like a timing bezel or chrono pushers rendering them lower on the totem pole just ahead of dress watches.
That's the one thing that gets me about any time only watch I always miss turning the bezel (and the timing capabilities) I absolutely loved my Sinn 556 but it didn't get the wrist time it deserved unfortunately. My Seiko Alpinist scratches the "time only" scratch bc of the inner rotating bezel that I can use for timing while having the look of a bezel-less watch lol
Loooool if it wasn't for the Speedy I would be saying the same thing as you! I actually wish I wanted to wear chronographs more to justify adding more to the collection 😂
I've been eyeing yema for quite some time now and the maxi dial version was the one that I liked the most bc it looks quite different while not being too crazy lol. How's the bracelet on it?
@@thewatchidiot its ok the end links stick out but it articulates well, the clasp is milled not the greatest not the worst. I have the no date version, it is 13mm thick but wears really well. To me it plays the part of an honest tool watch not fancy and not showy just solid and so is the movement. If you like the look of it is worth it.
Ah ok good to know about the endlinks but I'm glad to hear that it articulates well bc for me that is one of the most important aspects of any bracelet. Honest tool diver with an interesting look is right up my alley! Oh btw does your version have the Yema in house movement? If so, how's that been going for you?
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I think it should be noted that making this video has been making me want to wear my speedmaster even more and I have it on my wrist as we speak....the irony is not lost on me 😂
It's 1 watch that never gets boring and makes you proud when you wear it 😉
Very true! And actually the more I think about it I think I like the speedmaster as "a speedmaster" more than as a chronograph if that makes sense.
I love it as a chronograph bc it's so well designed however much of it's staying power is based on the proportions, case/lug design, and the aura of space. In the end no other chronograph out there can combine these aspects into a package as compelling as the speedmaster (for my tastes at least). All this makes spending anything more than $500 on a chronograph a bit daunting😂
@@thewatchidiot 😆 it absolutely 💯 makes sense
Wonderful video, thank you!
One significant functional advantage of the chronograph - you can measure events that are interrupted by other events by stopping and starting the chronograph. You cannot do this with a diver 🙂
Also, best of both worlds is a chronograph with a diving bezel 🙂
Definitely , a dial without any subdial day and date looks very poor for my taste , diver- chronograph should be the best option in my opinion ;)
Really solid points. I'm glad this didn't just focus on "style" but actually gave concrete points, like starting timing in the past, use for countdown, etc.
I've got a speedmaster so I'll try to outline some of the benefits over a diver:
* A chronograph can be started and stopped without having to see the watch. You can keep your eyes on whatever you're timing to make sure you start at perfectly the right time and stop at the correct time.
* A chronograph can add time together. So if you're timing how long you spend at red lights on a drive you can pause the chronograph between them and have it add up all the time. Classic example would be timing sports, since you can pause during a stoppage and resume when play resumes.
* A chronograph reading does not have to be read as soon as the thing your timing completes. You can pause it and recall it later.
* A chronograph can be started on far shorter notice. Setting a timer bezel takes a bit of time.
And like you mentioned, accuracy of the reading. A chronograph can be accurate to fractions of a second and a diver will only be accurate to within 30 seconds and can't time things lasting multiple hours. So timing how long a film is etc. is much more difficult, or timing for sports where you need to the second accuracy.
Thanks sir for interesting details ! Just purchased a planet ocean 600m
My first watch was a SSB299P1 Chronograph my second is a SNE573P1 Diver. This video makes me very happy!
Was thinking this just today. I much prefer a diver than a Chronograph for timing jogging. Just so easy to see at a glance!
Very good points. I definitely notice the benefit of legibility with a dive bezel vs a chrono sundial, and when I am cooking I very often forget to start timing right when I put something in the oven, but with a dive watch I can say “that was about 3 minutes ago” and just adjust accordingly
yeah being able to set the time in the past is small detail but for me a huge advantage! It would be an interesting to see if a chronograph would ever be able to manually add minutes before starting lol
I think it's likely that when you get sick of divers (however long that takes) you'll go back to chronographs and when you're tired of that you'll go back to divers. Spend enough time mostly with one and eventually the other starts looking better.
I'm coming off a near decade run of divers as a primary and now all I can think about is chronos and aviation pieces.
loooool yeah that sounds just about right even in terms of wrist time! I love my divers but i need a palette cleanser every once in a while. Actually I wore my speedy again after a long time bc of this video and now I've been wearing it quite a bit which is ironic considering the video!
I'd love to make a switch and concentrate more on chronographs although thats a change that cant be forced in my case lol. Speaking of chronos and aviation watches the navitimer has been a watch that I've been admiring for a veeeeery long time. Not sure if I can justify it given the wrist time chronographs usually get
@@thewatchidiot I think the Navitimer (one of a manageable size) is a worthy addition and offers a more classic and versatile look than the Speedy. Breitling has a way with bracelet design and their classic styled pieces are timeless.
Not sure if I would own one at this point however, I have a few luxury pieces left but I'm disenchanted with spending so much on a single watch. Having recently reconciled with quartz (after many years of senseless rejection) I found my interest in collecting rekindled by going back to my earlier days of Citizen, with no shortage of gadgety dad-watch goodness.
If I am to be completely honest, I got far more a thrill and enjoyment out of getting a $200 restored Navihawk from the 90s than I did out of my first Rolex (explorer II polar maxi) even.
Lol yeah the smallest possible navitimer would be the choice for me, the slide rule is just so much fun to use!
Yeah I totally get what you're saying most of my wrist time is taken up by watches that are around the 200-400 dollar range, my Seiko SNE569 solar quartz diver was my most worn watch of 2021! I'm glad you're enjoying quartz, I love quartz bc of the practicality and it helps that it keeps the price of watches down as well lol! And the technology behind quartz and high accuracy quartz movements is pretty incredible
Thank you. I was seriously contemplating making a video on this. But now I don’t have to. You did it, and very well done. I own multiple divers and chrono. My latest diver is the Bulova Presicionist. My favorite chrono is the Omega cal 1045 with the center chrono minute hand you mentioned. I don’t swim but wear divers for their easy legibility in almost any light and for functional purposes they are built tough. I also like that they are often large. My Bulova just mentioned is just over 49 mm diameter, not counting the crown. Perfect size for me. The bezel on my divers is in constant use at work and at home, so for me it is a real “tool” watch. Keep up the great videos.
Nice explanation.
Tissot Seastar 1000 Chrono for less than $600. The best of both. Also, 30m water resistance rating is more than enough since most scuba divers don't go below 18m. (This Tissot has 300m rating.) The Seastar is also available without the Chrono.
I agree that the big numbers on the dive bezel look down-dress compared to a chrono, but it seems that most dive watch wearers tend to be 'Desk Divers', more than actual divers.
I’m back years later for a second time and you’ve swayed me both times 😂
Fantastic video. I always use dive bezel as gmt. Can you make video of Mako 3 Chrono? I really think that is a perfect tool watch with a charm of a panda.
You deserve a lot more subs man! Keep up the good work!
I’m a Chronograph guy. I love the complexity and mind-boggling diversity of Chronograph designs, and i own too many of them. However, if I had to choose one watch to wear for the rest of my life, it would probably be a diver. They’re not even my second favorite style of watch, but they’re the most rugged and useful of any watch genre, by far.
I really do wish I was more of a chronogrpah guy but unfortunately chronograph wrist time doesnt reach my love for them. i love the look and their movements are undoubtedly more interesting. However i love using dive bezels and i love how legible and crisp they can end up looking. best solution is having both in a collection lol!
Thanks for the video. I had similar reasoning regarding the timer aspects and would prefer more face simplicity and waterproofing. I plan to sell my speedy day date triple reduced automatic 39 and buy a Pelagos 39. I'll benefit from more accuracy which I hope to prefer vs regular winding
Excellent content. Definitely learnt new stuff about watches
I’m a chronograph man even though I’m not a watch collector. I’ve got two watches only😢 both are chronographs. I like that the face is kinda busy and more complex than drivers.
I love the channel title. Also, most of us own both dive style and chronograph watches. Furthermore, Seiko Solar chronographs do not need to be wound and set. They just have the right time, or are one hour off after daylight savings.
All good arguments on the Dive bezel. To take it a step further my daily wear is a GMT divet with a 24 hour bezel. The 24 hour bezel just makes it easier to track thd thord timezone and I do use three timezones in my daily work. Similarly using the dive bezel for a second timezone it is a snap to use the 24 hour bezel for a timer. And my lume lasts all night even after wearing long sleve shirts that cover the watch most of the day. Thanks for an interesting video.
Sure thing I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Yeah diver GMTs are awesome and honestly any GMT with a rotatable bezel would work well for me for timing! GMTs are my second favorite kind of watch for sure even though I really dont use the gmt function very often. I just like the look of an extra hand on the dial😁
What’s the black strap with white stitching on the Seiko SSC813P1?
Love both watches but I am more focused on watches with real complications like chronographs. Nice points you mentioned
Yeah chronographs as a complication are undoubtedly more interesting especially from a mechanism stand point. I wish i was more of a chronograph guy but i cant get divers of my wrist lol!
@@thewatchidiot you’re doing the saying: keep it simple! or less is more! and cannot live with out anything of those 😆 By the way nice MM300 aka Asian dolphin 🐬
Lol divers do worry me less than chronographs so I guess it's a good thing I wear divers more😂 Thanks so much and I actually haven't heard of the nickname "Asian Dolphin" but I'm liking it a lot!!
The thinner ETA chronograph movement you mentioned I believe should be 2894, which is based on 2892 with a chronograph module added on top. Modular chronograph is something I always avoid.
ahhh yes thats it! thanks for letting me know and yeah modular chronographs arent quite ideal and come with many downsides but for a cheaper price and in this case a thin movement i think its pretty good value! Also i dont use the chronograph function very often in any of my chronographs lol!
Yes, that's the one! I own a Longines Master Collection Chrono Bicompax 40 mm which features this movement. I don't think it's COSC but still keeps time at about +4 secs a day. The watch case is only 11 mm thick and is in fact the thinnest of all my watches.
I'm considering selling it to get a BB58 but I really don't know if I should. Although I almost never use the chronograph function, there's something that draws me to it. Plus the dial is absolutely gorgeous...
Both are great but I tend to wear my Speedmaster more than my Black Bay. I put a Casio on the bottom of a NATO strap and then put my Speedy on top to use as my travel watch. You get style, a chronograph, date, alarm, and a second time zone. It's a beast.
What bracelet is on that Tudor in the thumbnail? Looks like an oyster to me and I don’t see any rivets.
Good eye!! i was wondering when someone would notice that bracelet but its actually a San Martin bracelet from a different watch! it fits beautifully the only thing that is slightly off is the gap between the endlink and the first link is a touch wide but on wrist its a not a problem at all.
I think you thinking of the Longines Legend which have a ETA2892 movement, I don’t think it’s the thinnest movement but it is quite thin for a dive watch. Do you dive or do you just like the look of the diving watches, I always wonder how deep people think 99% of divers go under water when they talk about 100m or 300m pressure resistance and always tend to want to go for the highest amount. Most divers don’t even go under 50m never mind 100m or deeper so in the end it’s pretty pointless having a 1000m watch, unless you’re Aquaman of course.
I totally agree with all your reasons. I inherited an Omega Seamaster Chronograph from my uncle which is by far my favorite looking watch I own, but I wear dive watches most of the time due to their functionality. The Casio Duro is unbeatable at under $100 and that's what I normally wear when on/in the water. The build quality is amazing for the price and it can go up to 200 meters which is much better than most dive watches even 10x its price (also I feel bad going in the water or bad weather with a dive watch that cost me several hundred or more, the Duro is cheap and easily replaceable).
I agree with pretty much all of your points.
It’s interesting to break it down as having owned both variants for years one often makes subconscious decisions about which to wear and in what circumstances.
One final point, my Brosnan era Seamaster 300 seems to go equally well with a suit or when taking a plunge into a swimming pool.
A good collection has both. While there are pros and cons to both, I generally think that chronographs are more impressive and more interesting, but divers are more practical in everyday use. I'm not sure I follow all of the very niche points made here, but the water resistance and legibility of divers makes me say they are more practical.
Also, how do you not have a Ball? If you love lime, you need a Ball. The tritium is insanely fun.
yeah its best to have both kinds of watches since they offer such unique experiences! and yeah I've been looking at Ball for quite some time mainly because of their use of tritium! They are priced quite well however i havent found a watch that has moved me enough to spend the money on one yet. I had a marathon navigator for a short while and the tritium there was awesome to see shining away in the middle of the night 😁
Thanks for educating me on the different ways of using the dive bezel! Agree with all your points, I also find the looks of the chronograph to be more versatile. My hesalite speedy with leather strap is incredibly light and compared to bracelet, rubber or nato, I find leather straps to be the most comfy. With all that said, my speedy do get ample wrist time but then again my collection is smaller than yours 😝
Yeah the dive bezel is a wonderful little thing! seems like its only missing slide rule capabilities😂 yeah it never ceases to amaze me how my speedy can look incredible on a black rubber strap, any nato, and then just as good on any leather strap then next minute!
I do wish my speedy got more wrist time and actually I'm going to finally start a collection purge to make sure that the watches that are the most special too me (like the speedy) actually get the wrist time they deserve!
Without even watching the video I agreed with the thumbnail. I’ve been thinking about selling my speedy to get another diver
looool we're on the same page then! at one point a few years back i was close to selling my speedy but thankfully i didnt as it holds sentimental value and in the end i like having that as my only mechanical chronograph. but other than that I will always be backing anyone who wants to get more divers😂
What are you thinking of getting in the speedy's place?
@@thewatchidiot I'm in the same boat as you regarding the sentimental value of the Speedmaster, as it was the first luxury watch I bought in 2017. Every time I think this is it, I'm going to sell it; I get cold feet and hang onto it.
Recently I have been drinking from the Seiko Kool-aid hard, because the two prominent watches I was looking at is an SLA143 where I would walk away with some cash in my pocket, but higher on the list is the GS SBGA231 Diver.
I would like to introduce you to the Omega Seamaster Diver 300m Chronograph, or as I call it, the BEAST. It literally does everything that you mention here, and the chronograph can be used underwater!!!
Dive watches are very versatile. Chronographs are situational in my opinion but I find it useful for driving and travel. Speaking about that, I wear my Timex Waterbury Chronograph when I'm on the plane since it has the quick time zone set feature and using the tachymetre to measure rate of speed and distance. Then I bring a dive watch for sports activities during vacation
Eerie how I’ve recently had this point hit home for me.
My use case is driving at night. Ideally I could just look at my watch and see how long its been, but you can’t do that with maybe any chronograph. You can wear a gshock as well to compensate, but I’ve been searching for a dive watch as you say.
I prefer when the crown is not screw down which makes for a search. If I can try it in person and it feels good then that can work.
Also, the ideal is if there was both an inner and an outer bezel, for doing minutes and hours.
lol we're on the same wavelength! Yeah driving at night with a chronograph is pretty much useless and while a gshock is better i still have to either press the button with my other hand or flick my wrist to get the auto backlight to work. Nothing beats the ease of charging up the lume on a dive watch and being set for hours afterwards!
Yeah trying on a watch in person whenever possible is the best way to go about buying a watch. As for a diver with two bezels, I'm not sure I've seen any around but the Bulova A-15 pilots watch has 2 inner rotatable bezels and its really cool!
There's indiglo on any Timex weekender... Just a push a the whole dial lights up
Sinn EZM13. Best of both worlds. Also, pushers can be actuated at dive depth with no issues on the EZM13.
Sinn makes some incredible chronographs and I'd love to get one of the EZMs! I was set to get one a few years ago however, to me, the thickness wasn't well integrated and it wore way too thick and high on my particular wrist unfortunately.
It was quite disappointing bc I wanted one so badly so I guess I'll have to admire it from afar as one of the ultimate tool divers!
I’m mainly a Field Watch guy but he is right. The diver is the objectively superior mechanical watch for most people. Digital watches like casio or your phone are better chronographs.
As much as I conceptually love field watches and chronographs the utility of a dive watch is undeniable! And yeah thats very true a gshock for precise timing will be far more useful and much easier to read at a glance for sure lol
Chronographs are more fun though but chronographs seem to have more impressive stories. I actually love both and the Omega Speedmaster MW is such a LEGEND in every sense of the word and by it being such a important part of the history of horology it just makes it more fun same with having a Zenith with the famous 400 calibre saved by Charles Vermot
Agreed, I love chronographs so much but they just don't get the wrist time to match my love for them😬 and for the times I do want to wear a chronograph the speedy will be more than ok lol! Definitely a keeper watch for life
@@thewatchidiot O it definitely is
Less complication is always much better for me. Having owned Oris diver and racing chronographs at the past, i noticed that chronos are basically not for me. I started to prefer mid size divers.
I have a Citizen Chronograph diver eco-drive
The main reason for people buying chronographs seems to be fascination for the movement rather than practicality. For me the legability (and to some degree cost) outweighs the minimal practicality gain for any analog watch. The only "chronograph" I'd be interested in would be a digital G-Shock.
It all depends, I have 3 chronos in rotation and love using them for timing a lot of things I need to do. I don't have to look/remember the time, just start the chrono. Of course I can easily use digital watches for that...but that takes away the tactile feel u get from using an analog Chrono. It's like driving, those indiosyncracies is what make mundane chores a bit more fun. That's life otherwise where would the fun be? 🙂
Regards
Another interesting video TWI. I can't really disagree with any of your points. I'm a diver fan, a chronograph fan, and a whole bunch of other watches fan. I could have just said a watch freak. So after many, many seconds of thought I think I might just have the answer. The ideal watch is a diver chronograph 🙂. Examples are the Seamaster 300M Chronograph (previous non wavy dial generation) with a column wheel and coaxial movement. It is a bit on the thick side using a heavily modified Valjoux 7753 as a base movement but for chronograph readability it's very hard to beat. All the timing hands are in red with lume. It even has the diving bezel so you can time two different things at the same time. I love that watch.
Thanks as always Anthony! Same here, I think its best to be a watch freak for all watches! And you're absolutely right diver chronograph is the ideal combo for sure I actually got a Seiko diver chronograph thats a solar quartz to scratch that itch. The added utility and timing capabilities are undeniably amazing
The SMP300 chrono is a beast for sure and while I havent seen your version I have worn the latest version and it was definitely an awesome experience. it was weirdly comfortable and i loved that it managed to retain the very specific "Seamaster Pro" feel. however, it was just a bit too big for me which would inevitably lead to lower wrist time unfortunately. I'd love to give it another go whenever dive watches start yielding some wrist time whenever that will be lol!
i just wish there was some kind of alarm or ding on a mechanical diver.
I'm torn between a Speedmaster Moonwatch or a Planet Ocean black dial with orange Arabic.
I got that po. Its real nice but crown is uncomfortable to operate. Its too slippery and hard to turn. It hurts your fingers, but besides that everything else is nice.
I guess this goes back to the age old question of diver vs chronograph lol! However I'm slightly biased towards the speedy here as it's one of my favorite watches lol but the Planet Ocean is a watch I would love to own at some point. The version with the orange arabic numerals is super cool definitely one of my favorite variants. If anything I would say that that planet ocean would be a more unique watch to own vs the speedy. Have you worn both watches before?
@@thewatchidiot I've never worn a speedy, I have had both a seamster 300 and a planter ocean with dark blue dial orange alu bezel. Ended up flipping both but tempted back to the PO. Prefer divers but the speedy has always intrigued me.
Ah nice yeah I had a black dial 42mm seamaster pro it selling that was by far my biggest watch regret and it's the only watch I'm going to re-buy at some point in the future.
Usually I don't ever think about rebuying watches Ive sold just bc it feels like the money isn't being used wisely in terms of trying new things. Not sure if you would agree with that sentiment but maybe the speedy is worth a shot to get a new experience? Depends on how much you want a PO back on your wrist of course lol
Have 12 watches 4 chronographs 1dress and the rest divers. So yes divers get most of the wrist time. But that's party because I'm retired now and am dressing casual more. When I worked the first mechanical watches I bought were chronographs because they work with pretty much everything. Lastly as you pointed out. Chronographs can be hard to read and having got Older divers just work better for timing short inteval like when cooking than the chronographs. But I do love my chronographs and the buttons.
Yeah the versatility of chronographs (at least relatively classic looking ones) to be dressed up and down is pretty incredible. No matter how unsporty any one diver may be the fact that it has some sort of a bezel with big numbers outside makes it too sporty in my eyes. meanwhile I can truly wear my speedmaster on a rubber strap or nato and then put in on a leather strap paired with a suit! But the practicality aspect is there and the subdials are usually too small to read for any sort of mundane task and its happened so many times that i completely forget that I started the chronograph 😂
Cooks love divers
They can handle elements like steam for example and you can use as a timer
But I find myself liking the dressiness of chronos
I think the biggest ding I have against a chrono is that they don’t tend to be as well suited to being dressed up(on average) plus they don’t tend to be water resistant and so if I’m on vacation and I go to the pool I don’t have to worry about jumping in as I don’t like leaving it in the room
As a person who loves divers more than chronos, i cant find one dive watch in the same league as mt seiko speedtimer. It wears well, looks more expensive than it is, and can be dressed up or down. Nothing ive seen in the $400-$500 range for divers moves me to buy it.
So much good sence in your perspective, 100% agree with you, I actually think the same about gmt watches.
I have always thought the same, but been blamed by plenty of people because of this.
I find the sub dials makes the dial too messy, those pushers look like warts to me, and kind of increase risks of getting stuck with staff .
Thanks man! yessss I absolutely love GMT watches as well and they actually have a big advantage in that many have a rotatable 24 bezel which for me is more than good enough to time anything I would need to time. If only my love for chronographs would be met by actual wrist time. Dive watches are just too good for me😁
@@thewatchidiot by the way, be patient about your questions on the ironwatch logo, I am waiting for response from them so I can direct you to the appropriate links and contact details, but it is their big holiday period right now, so will take a few days before I can give you accurate information.
Oh wow thank you so much for following up that's very kind of you to do so!! No problem at all, you can let me know about what they say whenever you're able!
Also I believe you mentioned that a friend of yours will be doing a video on the seamaster one? Is that video up yet? I'd love to see it moving around!
@@thewatchidiot will do.
As for the video, not yet unfortunately, I will keep you updated, he has just issued the rx8004 video a 14060 homage with some liberties, but still a great watch. Something he can compare as he is lucky enough to own the rolex 2 liner.
Regards.
Sounds awesome, the 14060 was definitely the best submariner, older look yet still modern!
Yeah I agree with your points although my speedy gets more wrist time than yours does (especially since it didn't crack your top 5 last year lol) But the glories of the dive watch are there and when time comes to wear a watch that I don't have to worry about during any uncertain situations, it'll be my SKX or Pelagos
looool youre absolutely right my speedy was middle of the pack in 2021 in terms of wrist time at 15 days i think although this was the lowest total of all the years I've owned it. Yeah i think it would be very much the same for me the Pelagos and my SKXs are there whenever I want to wear a watch that will just disappear on my wrist and will stay comfortable no matter what.
Back when I was hourly, I'd time my lunch breaks with the bezel.
I dunno, in my mind they are two watches for different purposes, unless it's a vintage chronograph, i have no use for it. I use my diver to time or know when elapsed time had finished. I totally get a modern chrono if you use it. Just like a GMT, I travel a lot, so that's what i wear when I'm traveling, working and communicating with family back home. So GMTs trump diver and chronos for me.
... but my weekender chrono has indiglo...
I know this is a 2 year old video, but you can hear buy a Sea Chronograph. You get the best of both worlds. Citizen makes one. I’m sure others do too.
you need to find one chronographe you like and as many dive watch as you want! thats the correct way. mine is a breitling chronomat blackbird. Best of both world, chronographe and dive bezel, so you can choose wich one you fancy to use.
The Blackbird Chronomat is 1 of the best watches Breitling has ever made the size isn't ridiculous but I don't like the big date version as much as the 3 o'clock date window I really can't get into big dates
Yessssss any chronograph with a rotatable bezel would be high on my list and i love breitling for making so many watches with that combo! I've been wanting to add a navitimer for quite some time now however I'm not quite sure I'd be able to justify a big chronograph purchase given the wrist time chronographs get. I'm hoping things change tho 😂
@@thewatchidiot My only issue with the Navitimer is the terrible water resistance of 3 bar. I mean they really can't make it 5 bar 🤷
@@thewatchidiot the bezel on a navitimer are of a different usage and feeling as a dive bezel. Don't sleep on first gen chronomat they are great with 40mm and 15mm high and even cosc like mine. They are of a sweet spot before huge breitling era.
@@lonewolfemcquade8133 yeah that's a big negative for the navitimer for sure bc as much as I can rationalize the 30m would be ok for normal use the fact that it's a chronograph would make it a bit more stressful.
I've been tempted by the Sinn 903 quite a bit since it's got 100m. I think they got it bc the slide rule bezel is controlled by a crown at 10 o clock. And bc they're Sinn 😂😂
I understand that for the general collector they may not agree with your point's, I'm not that guy. I like the new Breitling Super Ocean the redesign looks great. I also like the Rolex Submariner with gold accent's over priced but attractive. I'm a pilot and and the readability is important. A chronograph is so easy for a watch designer to get wrong.
It boils down to which kind of fidget toy you prefer: a clicky button or a clicky spinny thingy 🤣
I wanted to disagree with you but I can't really argue with any of your points. I just like looking at chrono's more. I think I like the utilitarian dress watch approach moreso than tool watch but make it luxury approach, if that makes sense. The only strong argument against divers is the noise of the bezel I used to work in a quiet office and I could feel the eyes glaring at me as I skkkkkkrted the bezel to time a peice of work (especially if I overshot and had to go round again). No such issue with a chrono!
Yeah chronographs look awesome no doubt about it! and yeah utilitarian dress watch totally makes sense and I agree with that! Good way of putting it. looooool its happened many times before that I want to set or reset the bezel in a quiet place and its so awkward😂
Me and you feel the same about watches. I LOVE the way chronographs look, and I have 3 in my small collection (one quartz, one mechaquartz, one Valjoux 7750), but yeah, I wear my Orient Ray 2 in the evening so I can easily see what time it is as we're putting the kids to bed, and also it or the Vostok when I just want something easy to ready that I don't need to worry about while wearing it. Chrono for show, diver for go.
"Chrono for show diver for go" is a good one and it hits the nail right on the head! And I agree when I need a watch to just work and disappear my SKXs are usually what I go for but the feeling of wearing the speedy is pretty special but I never wear it when it rains outside (although I know it'll be ok lol). Divers should be able to survive some rain drops😂😂
Divers are better than (analogue) chronos because I haven't seen a normally readable chrono with 40mm or less in diameter. Also, because the bezel doesn't add any complexity to the movement, it's not so prone to breaking.
Agree 100% Divers all the way!✊🏽
Simple is nice .....Tudor 43 mm Bronze.....
Indeed a Diver watch looks more attractive but not necessary does it means that it is elevated than a chronograph, it depends on the personality of the one who’s wearing it. I mean if a Racer wears a diver watch and if a diver wears a chronograph, its going to be a proper mismatch. If a timepiece suits your personality that will look the best on you. But surely the information you gave is very nice. I feel Timepieces are categorised according to the requirement of the wearer’s personality. There are many watches to choose for so many personalities. 🥂 cheers
Seamaster 300 chronograph. Problem solved.
I own Breitling Super Ocean Heritage II chronograph. I have the best of both worlds.
Yeah Breitling sure does know how to combine a chronograph with a rotatable bezel! And with a growing selection of sizes which is great to see
need more 200m chronograph options.
All valid reasons I'm sure, but when your heart belongs to your Speedy like mine does, none of them really matter
Diver chronograph. I rest my case.
I don't them but they work. Omega 300m chrono has lume, durability, function, and chrono pushers work underwater. It also looks real expensive, and for $16k I guess it should.
Loooool at 16k I should expect it to work as well! The idea of a diver chronograph is awesome and the SMP300 Chrono is really cool in person however it's quite big. Unfortunately it's a problem that'll come with most diver chronographs but it doesn't make them any less cooler😁
Dive watches are more practical for daily use but I’m a speedy collector
Yeah as much as I want to wear chronographs more often the utility of dive watches in my life is too "important" to pass on. Thats awesome to hear you're a speedy collector! If I were to spend big on another chronograph I have a feeling it would be a different speedy variant actually they're just too good. I've got it on my wrist now despite the video 😂😂
Preaching to the choir my friend I have 1 chrono and not sure how many divers lol
looool I'm pretty much the same as you! I feel like its good to have at least one chronograph to scratch the itch when the itch comes up but then it always ends up right back to divers lol
Oooooor you can get a diver chrono and have the best of both wolds
looool thats another good option and as cool as they are they do end uo bein quite big and thick which isnt ideal for me since i tend to go for smaller watches. I should give them a second look tho!
Hello watch idiot ! This video is on right timing for me , i m gonna put the trigger this week on a black pelagos after month of réflexion, and maybe sell my ... speedmaster . I m maybe gonna take a eta version of the pelagos , so for you , after years of pelagos , do you regret the eta instaed of the in house or not ? Thanks !
I don’t know it’s like saying why apples are better than oranges ? Why it’s red better than blue ?
I wouldn't say "Dive watches are better than chronograph" It all comes down to what will you be using for the watch. You mentioned driving and using your dive watch. For this the chronograph is superior, because the chronograph will not only tell you the time but also speed, distance and more.
Yeah the way a watch is used is a big factor for what is best for the person in question! However for driving I find it far easier to get a quick and accurate read on the elapsed time on any dive watch versus having to stare down a tiny subdial on a chronograph while trying to look at the road!
Get both and wear the one that you are most likely to need that day.
A diver's bezel every time for me for everyday mundane timings. Chronos often have more interesting dials to look at let's be fair, but so many are way too thick due to their complications and have disappointing lume. Finally, sportier use or going on holiday such as swimming etc far safer with even a basic diver, that will often boast at least a plus 100 metre depth rating, most with screw-down crowns. I'd never take my Omega Speedmaster even in the shower !
Sports watches are Moe Pebbles. Dress watch master race!
Dive watches will always be better. Now the only chronograph that comes close is the Tudor as it has 200m water resistance. Even then, the diver watches are tougher and less costly of a movement to repair.
Yeah totally agree the BB Chrono is pretty cool although as cool as the screw down pushers look I have a feeling they would get in the way of using the chronograph as well. Divers will always be there for you!
@@thewatchidiot
I agree as you simply want to be able to push on the pushers quickly without having to mess around with screwing and unscrewing the pushers. Divers are the best in my book. That’s all I have and I am able to wear them with a suit and a tux. My 5 digit and Tudor BB58 in black and gold get it done. I have to add the dove watches to me look so much better dressed up on a fabric strap than a bracelet. For me it depends on the strap. You can dress them up or down depending on the occasion.
Neither type of watch is better than the other. It's like comparing hammers and screwdrivers because they were designed for different functions. As for cooking, I want something with a loud alarm so I'm reminded when I get distracted while something is cooking.
As for my own favourites, my collection leans heavily towards field watches 38mm or smaller - unobtrusive and out of the way.
Yeah they're tools made for different purposes but in the end most watches end up being an emotional choice and we wear what we like so it's fun to compare!
Sounds like a speedmaster X33 would be a good watch for you since it has an alarm designed specifically to be loud enough to hear on the International Space Station!
I definitely dont agree. They're not 'always' better, they definitely not as versatile with outfits and I would say most straight divers don't look as good etc. A chronograph can be dressed up, only certain looking divers can. I also think many raw divers look way too tooly or functional compared with a chronograph (which looks awesome always) to be reasonably used as an all around watch.
You need the right tool for the right job you don't dive with a chrono and you don't use a dive as a chrono unless ofcourse its rated for it but I would not trust that for diving since divers have few places that water can seep in and legibility should be maximized!
let me stop you right there, Omega planet ocean chronograph 600m depth built like a tank.
Yeah thats a beast of a watch but a bit too big and thick for regular use on my wrist! Although it is a very cool watch and i wouldnt mind having it as a fun watch but I'll need to make way more money to have that as just a fun watch😂
Unless you're Jacques Cousteau or Carroll Shelby you don't need either. You are never going to use those features.
Everyone I know who wears a chronograph with a tachymeter don't use it or don't know how.
Divers can be worn in a suit. Been doing it for years 😂
Orient spoiled this take with their Chronograph Solar Kamasu “diver” 🤡
Omega Seamaster 300m Chronograph pretty much completely debunks this whole video! Haha. Chronographs are something only true watch fans appreciate. Not for the newbie Gucci little piggies.
loooool yeah diver chronographs are great although they do end up being a bit too big for my taste although the SMP300 chrono is really awesome. for me any chronograph with a rotatable bezel would do but dive watches would still hold a special place for me!
speedmaster is best watch in this galaxy
The solution: Omega Seamaster 300m cronograph
Loool the Seamaster Pro 300 Chronograph seems to be a favorite judging by the comments section!! It's definitely a very cool watch and it feels awesome however it's just a bit too big for my wrist to get a lot of wrist time (and I can't afford it 😂😂)
Ah if we would choose watches rationally...
No, they’re equally useful to 99% of clients
Diver watch just makes you look older than yur age lol thats my issue
G shocks are superior
Im not a fan of chronos, I've owned a few and none of them truly appealed to me
At least you gave them a chance! As much as I love chronos I'm not sure they will ever beat out divers for me!
100%.
dive watches ftw!
@@thewatchidiot You read my mind in this video.
Yes. Divers ARE better than chronographs …. FOR DIVING.
technically youre not wrong, i forgot to add that as the 7th reason lol!
Doesnt matter, Chronos look cooler.
Women don't like the look of Divers. Ask 100 women to pick between the Daytona and the Submariner and the vast majority will pick the Daytona.
Bushons.
looooooooooollllll time to patent this new technology😂
@@thewatchidiot filing the patent now.
Of course they are . Chronos are for wanna be PE teachers.
And Fliegers are better than both
loooool aerial attacks are pretty effective no doubt about it!
I like fliegers too but they have nothing to fidgit with like a timing bezel or chrono pushers rendering them lower on the totem pole just ahead of dress watches.
That's the one thing that gets me about any time only watch I always miss turning the bezel (and the timing capabilities) I absolutely loved my Sinn 556 but it didn't get the wrist time it deserved unfortunately.
My Seiko Alpinist scratches the "time only" scratch bc of the inner rotating bezel that I can use for timing while having the look of a bezel-less watch lol
I admire chronos own none.
Loooool if it wasn't for the Speedy I would be saying the same thing as you! I actually wish I wanted to wear chronographs more to justify adding more to the collection 😂
@@thewatchidiot I recently bought a Yema 39mm Superman maxi dial, and it is all I been on and I am very surprised by how good it is.
I've been eyeing yema for quite some time now and the maxi dial version was the one that I liked the most bc it looks quite different while not being too crazy lol. How's the bracelet on it?
@@thewatchidiot its ok the end links stick out but it articulates well, the clasp is milled not the greatest not the worst. I have the no date version, it is 13mm thick but wears really well. To me it plays the part of an honest tool watch not fancy and not showy just solid and so is the movement. If you like the look of it is worth it.
Ah ok good to know about the endlinks but I'm glad to hear that it articulates well bc for me that is one of the most important aspects of any bracelet. Honest tool diver with an interesting look is right up my alley!
Oh btw does your version have the Yema in house movement? If so, how's that been going for you?