My maternal grandmother was on the show when Jack was the host. My mom said with her work week, she had Mondays and Tuesdays off. With the show being on live, she was on those two days and lost on purpose.
@@fromthesidelinesThe primetime version was rigged, not the daytime version Jack Berry hosted, hence why there's rarely ties and people usually only win 1 or 2 matches. They actually allowed the daytime version to continue for another year after the scandals as it was clearly above board, but obviously with the dark cloud over it from the scandals rating plummeted and they ultimately had to cancel it.
iirc, the only daytime quiz game from that era that was found rigged was Dotto, which was the first quiz show to be found rigged and started these investigations
@@witherblaze Dotto was the first one to be found rigged. Tic Tac Dough was a Barry and Enright production, and just like Twenty One, it was thoroughly rigged. It was done to be "more entertaining" and also to keep within the show's budget for prize money.
Barry continued the "can you come back tomorrow" routine in the early days of "The Joker's Wild," forgetting that the show taped five shows in one day, so a contestant would "come back" in about 10 minutes. I guess he finally woke up because he stopped doing that.
Despite what "Quiz Show" said, Stempel did not lose on the question about "Marty." He achieved a tie, and in the next game he was given a three-part question on a famous editorial. The newspaper was the Emporia Gazette, the editor was William Allen White, and the title of the editorial was "What's the Matter With Kansas?". Although this had come up in his American history class a few days earlier, Stempel deliberately drew a blank on the name of the editorial, allowing Van Doren to catch him down 18-10 at $2500 a point and his winnings reduced from $69,500 to $49,500.
I can remember WSM-TV NBC4(now WSMV)aired Tic Tac Dough with Wink Martindale weekday(Mon-Fri)afternoons just before the station’s 5:25 weather and Nightly News.
It was interesting they had the categories on rollers for them to "shuffle" them. When Wink Martindale did his run of Tic Tac Dough they could afford a computer to better randomize them. (Starting with Wink's run, the center box would be a two-part question with extra time for it; here the center question was just harder with optional time given if more was needed)
The ones on Wink's show weren't completely random. If you notice, it cycles through several nine-square setups. But it is a shuffle, so it still counts.
This is the daytime edition (airing live at 12 Noon, Eastern). 14:49-15:19 was a cutaway for a local station break, consisting of a spot announcement and station I.D. {"WRCA-TV, Channel 4, New York...."}.
WSB Atlanta had a local newscast at noon, then joined "Tic Tac Dough" at 12:15; I assume that was after the network station break. CBS used to give mid-point station breaks on its soaps when they were 30 minutes in length; I remember these on "As The World Turns" and "Secret Storm" in particular.
The reason for what happen in the 50's with Jack Berry was on the oringal 21 the contestents was missing questions left & right & Geritol was not happy & said they will yank their sponcership & they made the changes & that is why. So blame Geritol for what happend, also blame Dan Enright for what happen he was in charge & took Jack with him.
It wasn't just Geritol that was complaining. As you probably know, Revlon, the sponsor of The $64,000 Question, tried to get the producers to keep certain contestants, and get rid of others. The late Dr. Joyce Brothers is a fine example of this, and she managed to beat them at their own game (pun intended).
Let me get this straight, so Jack Barry Hosted both Tic Tac Dough and The Joker's Wild. Wink Martindale also hosted Tic Tac Dough, but hosted a video game adaptation of The Joker's Wild on CD-i. Is that about right?
When this show aired, NBC got a fresh new station in Binghamton, WINR Ch. 40. That way viewers won't have to struggle with the signal to watch WBRE Ch. 28 Wilkes-Barre or WSYR Ch. 3 Syracuse.
Robert Rubin worked on the show and went on to produce Fleming Jeopardy, and RObert Noah worked on this show and went on to produce Match Game in the 60s, Gambit in the 70s, and Scrabble in the 80s.
Felsher should never have been allowed back in television, along with Dan Enright. Both of them lied to the grand jury about fixing game shows, and they did it for personal gain. If the DA's office wanted to clean up television, putting both of them in jail for lying would have scared everyone else.
If you listen to the music after Jack is introduced at the start, those notes sound similar to the 1990 version's theme. I wonder if Henry Mancini based that on this.
The questions seem to be more difficult than in Wink's version. And I always thought Jack Barry was a very wooden host. This video shows that implicitly.
Questions were easier when Barry & Enright came back in the 70's, since the whole rigging process started because a sponsor didn't want to pay for a show where the contestants couldn't answer the questions.
the Barry-Enright shows at the time had that odd "wagering your winnings" thing. This isn't rigged as far as we know, but otherwise, it's pretty much the primetime version
The daytime version of Tic-Tac-Dough was largely untouched in terms of rigging. It was, however, brought down with the rest of the quiz shows when the scandal broke out.
No what he is saying is the daytime quiz shows during this era were usually not rigged, because the ratings and the stakes were generally lower than their primetime counterparts.
@@Rlotpir1972 They didn't buy the rights to "Concentration," only leased them. The reruns of "Concentration" and "Classic Concentration" on the Fremantle-owned BUZZR network air only with the permission of NBC, which continues to receive a royalty from Mark Goodson Productions and Goodson-Todman Productions successor Fremantle.
"Concentration" was also a Barry & Enright creation. The theme music for both "Tic Tac Dough" and "Concentration" was composed and played on the organ by Paul Taubman. Like the primetime "Tic Tac Dough," the nighttime "Concentration" was broadcast in color and had the NBC Orchestra conducted by Milton Delugg playing a "jazzed up" version of Taubman's theme. Six months after this broadcast, amid the fallout from the "Twenty-One" and primetime "Tic Tac Dough" rigging scandals, Barry & Enright were out after they were forced to sell all of their NBC shows to the network. Although Jack Barry reigned as the host of "Tic Tac Dough," he did return as host of "Concentration" for its overall debut in primetime. By then, "Concentration" was already an NBC in-house property and the Barry & Enright name had been expunged from it, being replaced with "A Production of the NBC Television Network." The game was very well-received, which is why it debut in the daytime in April of 1959. Barry, though, was not; he was considered a pariah in New York City. A decade later he did come back to New York, this time to ABC, replacing Dennis Wholey as the host of Talent Associates and Chester Feldman's "The Generation Gap" to huge applause in the Elysée Theatre. Those four primetime shows were the springboard to his return to the national market. He later bought all of the old Barry & Enright NBC properties; the only one NBC wouldn't part with was "Concentration." Barry did contact NBC about a rights-leasing arrangement so he could produce "Concentration" for syndication when NBC announced its cancellation. However, fired Barry & Enright producer Howard Felsher was first on the doorstep to secure the arrangement for Goodson-Todman instead.
@@Noveltooner Your knowledge is incredible . Barry received huge applause on The Generation Gap show in 1969 partly because many of those young audience members remember him as the host of the Winky Dink children's program in early 1950s TV . Also Tom Snyder on the Tomorrow Show in the 1970s remembered Barry as a mentor when Snyder started out in local TV and Barry was banished to the hinterlands of local TV . Snyder could not remember Barry by name , Calling him out as the man with thick hair . Shame that despite coming back he died of a heart attack while running in NY Central Park at a relatively young age .
I know they were referring to the 1890s. I was just facetiously pointing out that the term "Gay 90s" has a whole different meaning today than it did back in the 1950s.
Instead of a "bonus" game, the champion would either leave undefeated, or risk losing at least some money if the opponent won the next game. Probably why this generation of Tic Tac Dough did not last long. It would be two decades for a major breakthrough would occur.
+Greg Palmer I never said they didn't exist at all before Password. I just said they didn't really exist. It was a very uncommon element of '50s game shows.
My father was a contestant on this show in the late 50s, probably 1959. Are there any shows from that period? We would love to see him again, as he would have been 100 on the a3th of this month... He died 16 years ago, and I remember the two questions that he missed. Are these programs available? I know that it was in this period because they never had a honeymoon, and January, 1959 was their 20th anniversary, and that was my gift to them, a trip to NYC.
It would be if you consider that Van Doren incorrectly named Leopold, instead of his successor, Baudouin, as the Belgian King, which ended his run on "Twenty-One", but led to other moments of fame before the fix came out.
"Now this was long before there was wink-martindale before there was lt.thom-mckee before there was jim-caldwell & before there was patrick-wayne there was the original jack-barry" 🇺🇸📺🎤🤔🎤🤔🎥.
@@jonathanashbeck3740 bonus round in game shows actually started occuring in 1961, when Password debuted on CBS and it's bonus round was the Lightning Round.
Thanks much for this one! I enjoy these live shows from the 1950s complete with commercials and network promos.
Shirley Fisher was John Steinbeck's literary agent.
What a gem-thank you for posting!
My maternal grandmother was on the show when Jack was the host. My mom said with her work week, she had Mondays and Tuesdays off. With the show being on live, she was on those two days and lost on purpose.
Or was she told to lost on purpose by having her opponent getting the answers?
Knowing how the game was rigged- in all probability, YES.
No wonder - it was on Nothing But Crap network. Now they're even MORE horrid. I call them MS13NBC.
@@kathyflorcruz552 Me too. Paul Taubman's testicles and wasted talent.
@@fromthesidelinesThe primetime version was rigged, not the daytime version Jack Berry hosted, hence why there's rarely ties and people usually only win 1 or 2 matches. They actually allowed the daytime version to continue for another year after the scandals as it was clearly above board, but obviously with the dark cloud over it from the scandals rating plummeted and they ultimately had to cancel it.
This alone makes me VERY happy I subscribed to your channel!! Keep up the great work!
Jack Barry at 23:27:"You know it (the game winning answer)already?" (lol). The fix was in, even on the daytime version!!!!!
iirc, the only daytime quiz game from that era that was found rigged was Dotto, which was the first quiz show to be found rigged and started these investigations
@@witherblaze they were all rigged
@@witherblaze Dotto was the first one to be found rigged. Tic Tac Dough was a Barry and Enright production, and just like Twenty One, it was thoroughly rigged.
It was done to be "more entertaining" and also to keep within the show's budget for prize money.
A most cordial welcome... even back then. And the usual "can you come back tomorrow" stuff.
Barry continued the "can you come back tomorrow" routine in the early days of "The Joker's Wild," forgetting that the show taped five shows in one day, so a contestant would "come back" in about 10 minutes. I guess he finally woke up because he stopped doing that.
Thanks Stu!
Despite what "Quiz Show" said, Stempel did not lose on the question about "Marty." He achieved a tie, and in the next game he was given a three-part question on a famous editorial. The newspaper was the Emporia Gazette, the editor was William Allen White, and the title of the editorial was "What's the Matter With Kansas?". Although this had come up in his American history class a few days earlier, Stempel deliberately drew a blank on the name of the editorial, allowing Van Doren to catch him down 18-10 at $2500 a point and his winnings reduced from $69,500 to $49,500.
Correct. If Stempel had answered Marty, he would have won and Van Doren would never have had his long run on Twenty One. It was all pre-arranged.
Morton Wolson (1913-2003), aka Peter Paige, the mystery writer is a contestant. Interesting.
Probable live promo at 29:28- "Judy Holliday and George Hamilton IV visit Perry Como, tomorrow night, IN COLOR, on NBC Television."
The "risk winnings on the main gain to continue on" formula extended to the early CBS version of "The Joker's Wild".
I love Jack Barry
Several years after this episode ( early 60s,) Jack Barry came to my high school for a career day.!
I can remember WSM-TV NBC4(now WSMV)aired Tic Tac Dough with Wink Martindale weekday(Mon-Fri)afternoons just before the station’s 5:25 weather and Nightly News.
Jack Barry's style was in the 1950.
It was interesting they had the categories on rollers for them to "shuffle" them. When Wink Martindale did his run of Tic Tac Dough they could afford a computer to better randomize them. (Starting with Wink's run, the center box would be a two-part question with extra time for it; here the center question was just harder with optional time given if more was needed)
The ones on Wink's show weren't completely random. If you notice, it cycles through several nine-square setups. But it is a shuffle, so it still counts.
This is the daytime edition (airing live at 12 Noon, Eastern). 14:49-15:19 was a cutaway for a local station break, consisting of a spot announcement and station I.D. {"WRCA-TV, Channel 4, New York...."}.
WRCA-TV, later WNBC-TV.
WSB Atlanta had a local newscast at noon, then joined "Tic Tac Dough" at 12:15; I assume that was after the network station break. CBS used to give mid-point station breaks on its soaps when they were 30 minutes in length; I remember these on "As The World Turns" and "Secret Storm" in particular.
If you have an episode of High Low, I would like to see that posted.
love this Tic Tac Dough
sue!
I can recall Bill McCord from an installment to Concentration,also aired that same year.
Billy Vera of the 80s group Billy Vera and the Beaters is Bill McCord's son.
The reason for what happen in the 50's with Jack Berry was on the oringal 21 the contestents was missing questions left & right & Geritol was not happy & said they will yank their sponcership & they made the changes & that is why. So blame Geritol for what happend, also blame Dan Enright for what happen he was in charge & took Jack with him.
It wasn't just Geritol that was complaining. As you probably know, Revlon, the sponsor of The $64,000 Question, tried to get the producers to keep certain contestants, and get rid of others. The late Dr. Joyce Brothers is a fine example of this, and she managed to beat them at their own game (pun intended).
I went to Medford, Oregon last year.
I lived in Medford in 2007-9
Let me get this straight, so Jack Barry Hosted both Tic Tac Dough and The Joker's Wild. Wink Martindale also hosted Tic Tac Dough, but hosted a video game adaptation of The Joker's Wild on CD-i. Is that about right?
When this show aired, NBC got a fresh new station in Binghamton, WINR Ch. 40. That way viewers won't have to struggle with the signal to watch WBRE Ch. 28 Wilkes-Barre or WSYR Ch. 3 Syracuse.
Howard Felsher was a producer on this show and went on to be a producer on Family feud in the 1970's and 80's,90's.
Robert Rubin worked on the show and went on to produce Fleming Jeopardy, and RObert Noah worked on this show and went on to produce Match Game in the 60s, Gambit in the 70s, and Scrabble in the 80s.
Felsher should never have been allowed back in television, along with Dan Enright. Both of them lied to the grand jury about fixing game shows, and they did it for personal gain. If the DA's office wanted to clean up television, putting both of them in jail for lying would have scared everyone else.
If you listen to the music after Jack is introduced at the start, those notes sound similar to the 1990 version's theme. I wonder if Henry Mancini based that on this.
They're just the same key (G). That Patrick Wayne theme was just...yeesh
The 1990 version (of course), was done on a synth. I'll take that over this horror movie shit any day.
The questions seem to be more difficult than in Wink's version. And I always thought Jack Barry was a very wooden host. This video shows that implicitly.
But he loosened up in time for The Joker's Wild, I think.
This was the 50s things were different people didn’t weren’t as outgoing in public until the 60s especially on tv
Questions were easier when Barry & Enright came back in the 70's, since the whole rigging process started because a sponsor didn't want to pay for a show where the contestants couldn't answer the questions.
the Barry-Enright shows at the time had that odd "wagering your winnings" thing. This isn't rigged as far as we know, but otherwise, it's pretty much the primetime version
Tic Tac Dough was a rigged quiz show, that's why it was pulled off the air.
That's wrong.People can't tell others to lose on game shows either now or later shows,of course earn your wins,though they get difficult.
Thanks for posting this. I hate wondering though if this episode was rigged, given that so many Barry-Enright shows were.
The daytime version of Tic-Tac-Dough was largely untouched in terms of rigging. It was, however, brought down with the rest of the quiz shows when the scandal broke out.
+Austin7298 WAIT!, so you're saying that generally Jack Barry's episodes weren't rigged?? Maybe that's what helped him get the green light to host TJW
+Austin7298 WAIT!, so you're saying that generally Jack Barry's episodes weren't rigged?? Maybe that's what helped him get the green light to host TJW
+Jon McCaleb And High Low wasn't rigged?
No what he is saying is the daytime quiz shows during this era were usually not rigged, because the ratings and the stakes were generally lower than their primetime counterparts.
Jack Barry was certainly busy back then, what with Twenty-one, Juvenile Jury, Life Begins At 80, and a myriad of others.
The organ music is similar to that on Concentration, originally another Barry and Enright Production.
In 1973, Goodson-Todman bought the rights to Concentration which features prize and car cues that would later feature on "The Price is Right".
@@Rlotpir1972 They didn't buy the rights to "Concentration," only leased them. The reruns of "Concentration" and "Classic Concentration" on the Fremantle-owned BUZZR network air only with the permission of NBC, which continues to receive a royalty from Mark Goodson Productions and Goodson-Todman Productions successor Fremantle.
"Concentration" was also a Barry & Enright creation. The theme music for both "Tic Tac Dough" and "Concentration" was composed and played on the organ by Paul Taubman. Like the primetime "Tic Tac Dough," the nighttime "Concentration" was broadcast in color and had the NBC Orchestra conducted by Milton Delugg playing a "jazzed up" version of Taubman's theme.
Six months after this broadcast, amid the fallout from the "Twenty-One" and primetime "Tic Tac Dough" rigging scandals, Barry & Enright were out after they were forced to sell all of their NBC shows to the network. Although Jack Barry reigned as the host of "Tic Tac Dough," he did return as host of "Concentration" for its overall debut in primetime. By then, "Concentration" was already an NBC in-house property and the Barry & Enright name had been expunged from it, being replaced with "A Production of the NBC Television Network." The game was very well-received, which is why it debut in the daytime in April of 1959. Barry, though, was not; he was considered a pariah in New York City. A decade later he did come back to New York, this time to ABC, replacing Dennis Wholey as the host of Talent Associates and Chester Feldman's "The Generation Gap" to huge applause in the Elysée Theatre. Those four primetime shows were the springboard to his return to the national market. He later bought all of the old Barry & Enright NBC properties; the only one NBC wouldn't part with was "Concentration." Barry did contact NBC about a rights-leasing arrangement so he could produce "Concentration" for syndication when NBC announced its cancellation. However, fired Barry & Enright producer Howard Felsher was first on the doorstep to secure the arrangement for Goodson-Todman instead.
@@Noveltooner Your knowledge is incredible . Barry received huge applause on The Generation Gap show in 1969 partly because many of those young audience members remember him as the host of the Winky Dink children's program in early 1950s TV . Also Tom Snyder on the Tomorrow Show in the 1970s remembered Barry as a mentor when Snyder started out in local TV and Barry was banished to the hinterlands of local TV . Snyder could not remember Barry by name , Calling him out as the man with thick hair . Shame that despite coming back he died of a heart attack while running in NY Central Park at a relatively young age .
Bill McCord is the show's announcer.
The center category is "GAY 90s". I bet no one back then realized that that particular phrase would take on a whole new meaning today.
And the center square in the updated version "Hollywood Squares" was occupied by Paul Lynde! How's that for irony? ... or is it sarcasm?
They referring to the 1890's
I know they were referring to the 1890s. I was just facetiously pointing out that the term "Gay 90s" has a whole different meaning today than it did back in the 1950s.
I'll take the GAY 90s, is the answer RuPaul?
Kei Nanjo No, the answer is Ellen Degeneres.
Instead of a "bonus" game, the champion would either leave undefeated, or risk losing at least some money if the opponent won the next game. Probably why this generation of Tic Tac Dough did not last long. It would be two decades for a major breakthrough would occur.
Bonus rounds of any kind did not really exist until Password premiered in 1961. At this point, no one watching would have known the difference.
+Austin7298 Then how would you explain the "Bank Night Bonus" on Bank on the Stars, or that question with the wheel on "You Bet Your Life"?
+Greg Palmer I never said they didn't exist at all before Password. I just said they didn't really exist. It was a very uncommon element of '50s game shows.
...or it couldn't be that this show was rigged.
Actually it didn't last because it and another Barry enright show 21 were implicated in the infamous quiz show scandals.
My father was a contestant on this show in the late 50s, probably 1959. Are there any shows from that period? We would love to see him again, as he would have been 100 on the a3th of this month... He died 16 years ago, and I remember the two questions that he missed. Are these programs available? I know that it was in this period because they never had a honeymoon, and January, 1959 was their 20th anniversary, and that was my gift to them, a trip to NYC.
most of the shows were destroyed. the ones you see were used as evidence in the congressional hearings. did your dad tell you that he was coached?
Exactly the same as the British Criss Cross Quiz, same theme music and opening credits. I am guesssing it originally came from the USA.
This is pretty cool, the man named Joker's Wild hosting The Wink Martindale Show.
Did he ever tell people not to fuck with him on this show too?
Why the ending theme sounds like a Hanna Barbera cartoon
What, no Dragon?!?!?! LOL at altfactor's RIG Tac Dough comment!
That didn't come into play until 1978.
There were no bonus games in the 1950's.
Rig Tac Dough!
why would you highlight the rigging scandals?
So ironic that a question on King Leopold comes up (18:08) when a similar question helped Charles Van Doren "win" on 21.
Yes!
It would be if you consider that Van Doren incorrectly named Leopold, instead of his successor, Baudouin, as the Belgian King, which ended his run on "Twenty-One", but led to other moments of fame before the fix came out.
Actually the King Leopold answer is what caused Van Doren to "lose".
"Now this was long before there was wink-martindale before there was lt.thom-mckee before there was jim-caldwell & before there was patrick-wayne there was the original jack-barry" 🇺🇸📺🎤🤔🎤🤔🎥.
I went to Medford, Oregon once. I know Portland, is the largest city is Oregon. That city is in Northern Oregon.
How did his heart attack start jogging
How much of this was on the up and up?
None of it.
I wondered how jack felt after the quiz show scandal
24:50 second time he ditch dived his nose before start of game. weird or masonic
Hobo?!
I've been to Oregon. I know Portland, is the largest city in Oregon.
Wow the set was wodden back then
How old was Jack Barry when he died?
66.
Does Jack barry 's wife works
What no bonus game?
I believe Bonus Round in game shows didn't occur until Jeopardy debuted in 1964 and the bonus round in Tic Tac Dough came in 1978.
@@jonathanashbeck3740 bonus round in game shows actually started occuring in 1961, when Password debuted on CBS and it's bonus round was the Lightning Round.
Well I stand corrected, thanks!
How did he die
He died of a heart attack while jogging in NYC in 1984
retrogamr321 While jogging? I never knew that!
...and is married to a mantique dealer!!?!
Tom Basch has shacky hands.
Hobo?! That's clown talk.
Hobo?! That's a clown.
21:52 - 21:54 Why did she do that? She could've won and finished the game by picking "Pop Singers!" Forgive me for saying but...DUMMY!
Probably because they coached her to do that; like the other episodes here.
Rigged.
@@kathyflorcruz552 fully rigged.
Hobo?! Not good to be a hobo.