Everything's Different But Space Still Sucks?!? | The Expanse Ep 3x7 Reaction & Review!
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7:55 They explain it a bit better in the book, but basically the Mormons put forward several lawsuits to get their ship back. However, the OPA has their hands in all the Belter courts and won't accept any verdict from an Earth court. There's a quote from the book that goes something like "I guess the OPA really is a government now, because only a government can get away with that level of thievery".
12:07 when Ty and That Guy interviewed the actress who played Anna, she specifically called out the actress who played her wife. Apparently she came to set for every scene she spoke to Anna in and read her lines off camera. Nobody asked her to. There were script supervisors and assistants who would often do that. She insisted on being there for Anna to play off of. Amazing commitment.
also, not precisely a spoiler, because it is described in this scene in the book; Melba is augmented with black market mods that trigger an extreme adrenal response. and I think I remember them writing that she's also augmented with some synthetic musculature (I might be misremembering that part). So the adrenal spike reproduces the "mama lifting a car" response when she triggers the gland by clicking her jaw in a certain way.
@@Simyonovich still kind of a spoiler for the TV show as that information will be revealed (much) later, at a time that the show writers thought appropriate
@@SimyonovichIn the book she makes a circle with her tongue on the roof of her mouth. She can’t really do it accidentally but it is easy for her to do it purposefully. In the show they needed to have her do it in a way that is more visible to the audience. A significant number of people watching find it confusing as to what she is actually doing but at least it is a consistent sign that she is triggering beast mode.
@@bryanm1225 that's right, thanks! It's been a while since I read that book.
@@MattNolanCustom Not really a spoiler as the show explain it later because it did a poor job at introducing it earlier.
Δv (Delta v) is a change in velocity, which both has the physics denotation and the storyline connotation for this episode.
It's not the speed that gets you, it's the sudden stop.
I shudder at the thought of my physics teacher hearing someone refer to ∆V as change in vaginas.
Right. Besides what happened to the Belter at the end, it was a notice to the audience (those who knew of the physics definition) about the hard pivot in the story compared to the first six episodes.
@@mmattson8947 YUP. Everything came to a literal and figurative halt as soon as the ring gate activated.
Maneo speed goes DOWN
Pacing speed goes UP
The priests are there because the Protomolecule is as close to visible, scientifically study-able, divine action as they'll ever see. It's precursor level stuff, able to reshape organic matter at will. The theological and cultural implications are huge. That's why you send people who understand thinking about the philosophical impact, and the underlying cultural and metaphysical meanings of something as huge as alien life.
I think Nerdy needs to read "Contact" by Carl Sagan, or at least watch the movie based on that book.
The government is going to bring civil leaders of all kinds (like the theologians) so the people feel like they are represented in any big decisions.
They are also there to provide the same services they’ve always provided to forward deployed units: counseling, moral and ethical guidance, psychological support and wellbeing. Especially in a mission involving not only unknown levels of danger and risk but that challenges the very premises upon which people have ordered their lives and understand their place.
@@submandave1125 Well, no. The civvies are all aboard a single ship, not distributed around the fleet, and none of the God-botherers start holding services - or really interacting with the crew at all - until weeks into the trip.
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t more likely there to help interpret the implications of any discoveries to/for the great unwashed back home
Delta V (not the word delta, but the Greek letter) is used in orbital mechanics to indicate change in velocity. Like a sudden drop to......say..........zero.
In Space flight Delta V is a measure of the impulse per unit of spacecraft mass that is needed to perform a maneuver such as launching from or landing on a planet or moon, or an in-space orbital maneuver. It is a scalar that has the units of speed so coming to a sudden stop wouldn't require Delta V if you hit something.
@@Ugnutz True, thanks for the reminder. Delta V is specifically deceleration, not impact.
Rapid unscheduled disassembly.
@@Justanotherconsumer Loss of signal. Flight, lock the doors.
Or the pace of the show taking off to a higher speed.
Klaes Ashford is an extremely solid character.
You always understand why he makes all the decisions he does from his point of view, even if you disagree with them.
Ashford and Drummer are amazing characters.
TV Ashford is great. Book Ashford is an unredeemable asshole.
The changes they make to Ashford for the TV adaptation are probably my favorite in the whole show. Book Ashford is my least favorite character in the entire series, while show Ashford is my third favorite character overall, next to Amos and Miller (who are tied for 1st).
they've got the best interaction arc in the show
The “Blue Ribbon Committee” is when you get a bunch of big names in various fields, humanities and natural sciences and sometimes even just celebs, to dig into something that the public thinks is important. It shows the government is doing something, lets experts get funds & access, and hopefully provides various ways for common folks to relate to whatever the issue is.
So part publicity, part communications, and part actual research.
Having religious leaders there is so that they can control the narrative to their followers.
I also very much like the idea that the Earth government is interested in investigating and conceptualizing this new human experience from a variety of different perspectives that are important to the people.
18:00 The absolute best reaction EVER to the Maneo deceleration. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ok your reaction to what happens if you are in a spacehip that instantly stops was everything.
Am I a bad person for looking forward to your reaction to that sudden stop? 🤭
That is the benefit to watching reaction videos. You get to enjoy the juicy reactions.
That is about the third or fourth comment that references Maneo's ship "stopping" or "hitting something solid". C'mon fans, be more observant and stop spreading garbage. You can clearly see Maneo's ship proceed The Ring, albeit at a suddenly much slower speed There was no "instant stop".
The rest of this season is an exercise in expert storytelling. They fit a whole books worth of story into like 7 episodes and they did it flawlessly.
Cara Gee and David Strathairn are both incredible. The Drummer - Ashford dynamic is mesmerising from the first second.
yes
The fact that they went to the trouble of making Belter covers of the songs "Highway Star" and "All by myself" is one of my favorite little details of this show.
Avasarala said in season 2, "I have a file with 900 pages of analyses and contingency plans for war with Mars, including 14 different scenarios about what to do if they develop an unexpected new technology. My file for what to do if an advanced alien species comes calling. It's 3 pages long, and it begins with, Step one: find God"
Its amazing how awesome Cara Gee is. She is able to act toe to toe with the likes of David Straithairn, which is just awesome ❤️
I’ve been waiting for this episode since you started this show. It’s 98% catch up with the last six months and the last 2% is a complete mind fuck.
I love that the Behemoth still has all the Mormon decorations. It’s a reminder that the Belt has brilliant engineers but still struggles for the basics.
It's also so interesting because the belt doesn't have "scenery" as a part of their culture, so like... What _would_ they choose as meaningful or inspirational background art, you know? So much of our humanity regards our environment, and basically all of human history has had a _home_ (even Martian culture has a planet)... but the Belters never have.
This episode and the next are my favorite of the series. It’s such a radical act of television to do an episode like this in the middle of a season. I wish other shows that adapt books wouldn’t hold themselves so religiously to one book a season.
I'd say that this arc of the series (eps 7 to 13) is the best arc in sci fi shows in the past 30 years
Anna Volovodov has a slightly different introduction in the books and her role is super interesting. The main reason for her being on the journey to the ring is twofold. First, to act as a religious leader and emotional support for the other members of the crew (which in the books is massive) because of the stressful nature of the mission. The second reason, the more interesting one for me, is to consider how the possibility of alien life can be introduced into the religious and social framework of society in a way that doesn't destabilize the system. Remember, at this point, the protomolecule has killed thousands, caused a war, made human monsters, and constructed a ring that traveled across the solar system without following the laws of physics and was observable by almost all humanity for months. The idea that the protomolecule is a weapon and aliens are coming to conquer is just a stone's throw away...
Similarly, in the military, a Chaplain is meant to function as a versatile counselor, with or without a religious focus (at least in my experience). I view Anna's "job" in this as similar to that, but because she's so excellent, she was chosen _specifically_ for her sensitivity and humanity in such a tremendous role... A proper, _official_ "first contact".
A lovely book quote to help fill anyone in on this Nauvoo -> Behemoth change-over:
"That's the kind of theft only governments can get away with" Amos remarked, "I guess the OPA's real thing now".
(A kind reminder that because A CERTAIN undersecretary at the UN started a war between Earth and Mars that blew most of both fleets into scrap they've now somewhat lost their previously iron grip on the belt and outer planets, and have started dealing with Fred, Dawes and co. Hence the OPA's need for a flagship/symbol/statement.)
It really makes more sense to carry non-technical people such as artists and religious people to observe an alien artifact than merely technicians. We have no idea how aliens think or why they would build such an artifact...non-technical artists and philosophers may see connections that technicians do not see. Throwing all kinds of thoughtful people with broadly different viewpoints at the problem was smart.
I read the credits, I figured it would have been a flashback scene with Miller.
I have my doubts about the usefulness of including religious leaders in the expedition to The Ring. I don't think they will add anything to mankind's knowledge. But there is no doubt that proof of the existence of an alien race will do massive damage to the doctrines of many major religiions, so the leaders of all those sects will want to protect their turf by sending agents to monitor the investigation and put their own spin on whatever is found out at the ring.
It not so much my own opinion, but what has been shown in just about every sci-fi movie in the past where first contact was a major theme. The religious angle is included in just about all of them, so it is no surprise we see it in The Expanse.
I think I would do the same about seeing names in the credits of someone who died. Oh, flashback.
Literally everyone's reaction to Ashford in this episode is that one Clickhole headline: "Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point"
18:01 The reaction we've all been waiting for every since they started this show!!
It is adorable how, as they are freaking out, they instinctively reached out for each other's hand.
Klaes Ashford, Ghost Knife of Callisto, greatest Space Pirate in the System. My favorite character.
Someone calculated that Maneo was subjected to a 700G deceleration. That would liquify a human body.
Shoutout to the seatbelt and chair manufacturer. I feel like they don't get enough credit for lockin that boy safely in his chair!
11:00 I just love how Ashford keeps stepping a little closer to her, getting in her space, trying to get her to back up as some silly power move, and she does not give up a single inch
This last half of season 3 is a wild ride. They crammed all of book 3 into 7 episodes because they thought they might get cancelled. Turns out they were right. It was cancelled on May 10, 2018. One Day after 3x5 aired.
After a massive campaign to save the show by fans and the cast and crew, Jeff Bezos and Amazon Prime picked it up two weeks later on May 25.
Okay, your reaction to the death of Maneo was one of the best things I've seen in a while. 🤣
Good job noting that it only affected the pilot, but not the ship. The ship should've splashed, too, but didn't.
Thomas Jane's character is Josephus Miller (and, yes, I know you filmed this months ago).
Your reaction to his reappearance was almost as good as the reaction to Maneo's catastrophic deceleration.
Almost. 😁
Miller's name has been mentioned once or twice in the show. He's Josephus 'Joe' Aloisus Miller.
When Maneo went through the Ring, you guy's reaction looked very similar to his.
I love Drummers Position in the Belter struggle. She has a valid position and it’s really tragic. I don’t want to get too into it.
That’s the thing about this show. Even people who were evil, (not spoiling anything) had legitimate grievances and points of view. There weren’t any flat or 2D characters or characterizations. Just people mostly acting like people with all the good and bad that entails.
The Earth government listened to Jodie Foster in _Contact_ when she said "They should have sent... a poet."
I personally welcome the shift and flow of this episode (along with upcoming episodes). It completely breaks writing convention and gives the audience an experience outside of the recycled Hollywood formula. 😉
Maneo is not drinking urine (exactly), he's drinking water coming through the recycling center of the ship, which is old and less efficient than Earthers might be comfortable with ;-)
18:17 Yeah remember when you said someone can just hold Mei if there wasn't enough seats?
This is why that does not work.
" It's not the Speed that kills you, it is the sudden stop."
Fun Fact, Drummer isnt a part of this story in the books, but the show runners liked the Actress so much, they rewrote it for Drummer.
And I fully agree with that decision :)
Klaes Ashford has entered the chat. Up there with Drummer for my favorite belter accent, and acted brilliantly by David Strathairn. This character is way more interesting in the show than the books.
The experience of a sudden stop was a meme with 2019 labeled as our favorite belter, and 2020 as the label for what happened to him.
I have been waiting 2 and a half seasons to see your reaction at 18:00! I screamed when I saw it for the first time as well!
06:18 Party because SYFY channel used the book beginning and ends as mid-season finale and premier. So it felt normal to the rest of us.
Ashford (and particularly the actor portraying him) is such a great character. And yeah...You're so right that we're initially viewing him thru the lens of the characters we already know and so he's so sus from that perspective. And he needs to earn our trust.
Best reaction to Maneo getting turned in salsa that I've seen. The Ashford character is one of my favorite characters introduced this season. He's way more interesting in the show than in the books.
@1:39 V stands for velocity. Delta V = Acceleration (or in this case, deceleration).
Great reaction!
The look and sound of your reaction when Mateo went through the ring! 😂
And then moments later the reveal of Miller! 😮
Interesting tib about Amos's background! Also Amos saying Prax being his best friend in the whole world!
And introducing Ashford ( space pirate!) now on the Behemoth with Drummer and Naomi!
Looking forward to the next one!
the interesting thing about the dynamic between drummer and Ashford in this season is, that is that everyone expected the Dawson deligation to be the head strong ones and the Jonson people to be the reasonable force.
So you notice a lot of belters have tattoos in a ring around their neck. This is supposed to represent the scars they used to get from the old style vac suits where the helmet connection would often short out and burn them. If you look closely Ashford _actually_ has the scars. It’s a really neat detail and I only just noticed it.
So glad you guys are able to be back reacting to this again. Last episode was great, but this episode sets up so many good characters and arcs.
In europe the personal space is closer from one another , we kisses to say hello in france and it was a big change during the pandemic , we still stay human and personal space is also where you let people interact with you the closer the more genuine .
Seasons 2 and 3 of this show are just like one long continuous storyline. I can't really think of them as separate seasons, especially after binging them all at once.
Friend of mine did the FX for this show, he built the "blood cannon" for Maneo's scene :) said it was something like 26 gallons of fake blood.
I think I've watched that Belter meets Ring reaction twenty times. Such funny faces were made!
"Don't call it a comeback; he's been here for years..." Welcome back detective. :)
the reaction from 17:42 and forward did not disappoint! rapid deceleration will do that to you! the ship is stopped, everything inside not as much...
Maneo Jung-Espinoza's sling ship was instantaneously decelerated from more than a thousand kilometers per second to maybe a couple hundred kilometers per second. As I am always telling people, "Delta-V kills." The ship was decelerated, but none of its contents were. Also, this was when the creators knew that this was their last season on SyFy and the writers needed to fit all of book three into the end of Season Three.
It's the *second* time factor that kills, it's not that he went from a thousand kilometers per second to maybe a couple hundred, it's that it happened in such a short time.
That's probably the best reaction someone's ever had to Maneo turning into chunky marinara.
I've been waiting for almost a year for that moment. It was SO worth it!
I don't know, the sudden stop is an extremely gnarly death, but it's also over in a split second so I bet you are dead before you even feel it. That's much better than the slow death of being spaced.
Reminder: the reason this episode feels like a “hard pivot” is because this is the start of Book 3.
Also yeeeep. Now that’s the reaction to *that scene* that I’ve been waiting for. That guttural, primal scream was everything XD
THIS was expanses red wedding: the thing you were looking forward to as a book reader and glancing over to your non-reader friends when you watched it...
First planned expedition to a legitimately alien artifact that’s upending everything mankind knows; why not send clergy? At this point, the Ring is pretty much supernatural. And yeah, Anna’s working for Avasarala like everyone else on that ship - it’s the UN’s expedition, so Avasarala is, in effect, their boss. And yes, the expedition consists of physicists and STEM types, of course, to study it; military to assess threats; journalists to document; linguists, economists, philosophers, poets, and a pastor like Anna to provide a religious perspective. Because how does a _literal alien artifact_ fit with faith? People are still religious in this world, and they’ll want answers too. Makes sense to me, and I’m not religious. “Should have sent a poet” as the scientist in Contact says, when she realizes she won’t be able to fully communicate her experience through science alone.
17:59 Surprised!!!
Delta-V (or △V) is a physics term for "change in velocity." In this case, it refers to the sudden & catastrophic deceleration experienced by Maneo's ship when he hit the ring.
17:30 they're showing you with the blind camera man that people are modded with tech, like Melba popping her mod in her teeth releasing adrenaline and other chemicals to get super speed and strength. not protomolecule
17:59 this is why I watched the video.
This episode is a bit clunky, true, but it does so much heavy lifting and has so many iconic moments. Especially the setup for the next episode is done really well.
The blood splatter reactions never get old! 😁
If you crash in a high-speed chase, it's not the speed that kills you - It's the sudden stop (& that is pretty accurate as to what would happen, at those speeds).
Clarus: "That was so unexpected."
Us: Wait... For... It...
17:58 ... when you explode and the episode keeps going 😆
*please don't notice the credits... please don't notice the credits.... please don't notice the credits...*
With Ângela (funnylittlegal) we had a chance to skip the credits. I’m staring to watch now and I hope they didn’t notice
1) I think the priest is there to comfort the people back Earth who feel safer knowing that a priest is on that mission, that's it. It's the event of the century, everyone wants to be there or be represented by someone there.
2) I think the reason the belters have private conversations so close is because in space they have to touch helmets together to do so and the habit sticks with them.
he's drinking the water from the pouch through a filter, similar to the ones we use today to drink untreated water while in the wilderness.
It is the water reclamation from a Dune stillsuit without the suit.
15:41 Subject change. Nice move Mrs Polaris..
In the book the contingent of artists, religious representatives, etc are referred to as the dog and pony show. There are good reasons to have those people make the trip out to the ring with the scientists and military, but the real reason they were sent was politics and the appearance of doing something serious in the face of something nobody understands. For some that went, the object was looking important and self-promotion. Others, like Anna, are genuinely interested in the ring, in understanding what it is and what it means.
Im sure others have said it but delta V is a scientific term to indicate chance in VELOCITY. Going really fast to really slow will kill
The ship transporting the peace mission. Rather than bring all soldiers they bring civilians too.
Scientists: How does this event fit in with our understanding of the universe?
Artists: How does/will this event express in our culture?
*Priest:* How does this event fit in with our cultural understanding of our place in the universe?
I wouldn't be surprised by a strong religious element in Earth society. Most people are sitting idle, no identity/meaning through career, no identity/meaning through a function you provide to your community, family, etc.
Religion and the community structure it provides is probably important than it is today. The Mormons can afford to build a multi-generational colony ship - evidence that collection plates are getting filled.
David Attenborough: The youtubers were discussing things when this happened
18:00
This is where the show gets GREAT....Im so pumped
Yeah, I think the spoiler warnings are kind of ridiculous, and most people would either miss it or assume Miller is in a flashback or an archival vid of some sort. I can't see it spoiling the end scene.
I enjoyed the Belter renditions of those classic songs. Also loved David Strathairn's Pirate-Belter accent. Piratespeak is apparently alive and well in the 24th century.
Since the Ring is extra-solar , I'm guessing the religious contingent might be interested in if there are clues about the civilization that designed it and their belief systems.
One thing to keep in mind when watch this part of season three is that the SyFy network had already announced that they were not picking the show up after the end of the season. So the cast and crew were pretty much under the understanding that the show as being canceled once they were finished filming ep 13.
Completely wrong. SyFy announced the "cancellation" May 10th, 2018, after broadcast of S03E05 "Triple Point". And already 16 days later, on May 26th, 2018, it was announced that Amazon would be picking up the show. Since season 3 was planned, written, and filmed long before the broadcast of S03E01, cast and crew certainly did NOT know that SyFy would drop out. There's an Entertainment Weekly interview with showrunner Naren Shankar, where he explains why he decided to adapt book 3 in just half a season. Knowledge or fears of cancellation had nothing to do with it. Also, Daniel Abraham, one of the two authors of the book series, even suggested to Shankar that they could skip book 3 entirely! (Source: CBR interview about the series finale, full of spoilers obviously).
21:22 You pretty much got it there when you expelled your soul with that blood curdling yowl.
Have no idea how hard I chuckled after the whole “that was unexpected”, comment knowing Thomas Jane was coming. Buckle up peeps, that was unexpected is the mantra going forward all the way to the series finale. Also pay attention to the Martians on Bobbi’s team later on. You might catch a Canadian heart throb whose career took off in a big way recently in one of his earliest TV roles! 😉
And that's why stopping in space is dangerous.
I'm a stone cold atheist but it makes perfect sense to me that you would send religious leaders and theologians to the ring. This isn't just a scientific discovery, it's the most amazing thing that's happened in human history and re-shapes humanities relationship to the cosmos and life itself. Adapting to it is a philosophical and spiritual matter as much as anything else.
Ship stopped, crew didn't. Hence the chunky salsa.
It's definitely a tie between Mineo and Katoa's Nurse for most gruesome death.
"There's only so much booze and f'ing you can buy"
Someone needs to write a book on Amos's philosophy on life.
Espinosa is what happens when you decelerate from interplanetary speeds to 0 in no time at all; a whole bunch of g's tearing you apart.
Knowing what was coming and watching your reactions to the racer guy splatting was amazing. 😅
I had to watch your reaction to the crash into the ring 3 times LOL
Speaking of halos, who put the round gold thing on the wall to frame Arvandasala's head?
In orbital mechanics and several sciences the Greek letter delta means change. In orbital equations V is velocity. The long form of the title would be “A change in Velocity”
I love "Highway Star" from Deep Purple has a Belter adaptation hundreds of years after it was recorded. Bad a$$ songs will always be bad a$$ songs regardless of the time period one lives in.
The detective is Josephus Miller. who is called Joe.
The reason that I love your reaction videos on the show is because of your...reactions!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣Seriously, they are the best. I played them a dozen times and laugh at every one. Someone will do a montage of reactions to the belter kid pulverizing and your reactions will be in it!
Nerdy, Frank Miller also worked on the Punisher series in the comics. So I fully understand your mental association.
The season’s are usually broken into part ones and part two’s from here on out
7:36 he showed the tattoo artist a picture of Chakotay from Star Trek Voyager and said, gimme that but like, worse
"They should have sent a poet..."
Miller’s first names is Josephus.
Ashford is the second best Character in the Expanse Series for me, right after Amos. Although he has quite less Character in the books. This is a rare, better on screen than on paper example and speaks for the writing of the first 3 Seasons.
Drummer's arc is the best arc of any character.
Was waiting months for the Maneo scene reaction LMAO