I’d be pulling this vid down before people who build engines tear it apart in the comments You give engine builders a bad name with disinformation The gains on E85 lol Nah boys lol All vehicles in this vid ARE NOT making the claimed rwhp with chosen cam profiles Your big cam 500rwhp with heads lol No hope in hell For 1 That profile will have next to no p/v clearance Then you say the heads are skimmer to bring up comp lol There’s no p/v to start with lol I commented on your reply to old mate regarding underdrive balancers Please explain why people should not use them And let’s talk about dyno manipulation Why are the cars strapped down differently between the before and after dyno runs We both know how that changes results Just like playing with the correction factor That tuner needs to stay off camera and not speak And the bullshit with xforce headers not fitting correctly Why not tell your audience the truth Std leads will not fit 1 7/8” headers of any brand So many comments in this video that are just bullshit I KNOW what it takes to make 500+rwhp n/a LS That’s ls3 std bore/stroke and std compression No cutting pistons No skimming heads to bump compression The RIGHT cam profile And the right cnc heads
That cam has no p/v? Are you thick? Do you think we havent checked this with multiple cam profiles with different head deck thicknesses? Go watch some other videos fly cutting for slightly bigger cams. This cam profile has 0 ptv issues with any amount any sane person would want to take off heads. Gains on E are minimal as these combos arent knock limited on ULP. Thats just basic fluid mechanics. All vehicles are making claimed numbers, all dynoed in shootout with correction factors set, and all strapped exactly the same between before and after runs, not sure what youre smoking.. I would love to see you “pick this apart” while actually backing up anything you have to say. No comments on this vid are “bs” and we can back up everything we talk about. This is the only car we have ever had issues with leads fitting, and its because of the header flange, nothing to do with 1-7/8 headers.. You certainly are a silly salmon.
It fascinates me how people like you can come to the comments of a video like this and proclaim you know what the ptv is of the combo, to the people who are actually doing the work, in the same comment claiming WE give engine builders a bad name with “disinformation” 🤣. I could tell you exactly what ptv this cam will give at any head deck thickness, from 20 btdc to 20 atdc. Same with the 1288 and 1289 grinds. Im sure you “KNOW” what it takes to make 500whp n/a sbe LS, you just watched a whole video on how to do it… You sure like making yourself look like an ass.
Get him @BoostGumps I'll deffs be ringing you guys later in the year to bring my Manual VE SSV for a cam package clutch an full exhuast. Love ya vids an info guys.
@@jeremybartholdt6575 yeh as I expected its all crickets lol. Pinned the comment to make an example of him. Looking forward to it mate! Always keen on more cam kits 👌
Really good builds guys. You've really cracked the right combo's for your customers. I once had a karate teacher that would say "practice doesn't make perfect, get it perfect, then practice it perfectly"
Killah result! I managed to get 498.6hp out of my VE, Cam and Heads SSV L98. 236/242@108, .6xx/.6xx, decked heads, flycuts to suit obviously! Just shows it can be done time and time again! Killah job bois, keep it up 👌
great informative video, love the details....don't stop talking 👍...wish you guys were closer as Id love to get my VF redline cammed and tuned by you...
Love your vids. You guys are a wealth of knowledge and appreciate the efforts to not only your customers but also your youtube channel. Its inspiring to watch. Cheers. Will have to hit you guys up for one these packages myself for my 2012 VE SS manual.
Loved my dad SSV Redline part, an man it chucks ya in the seat now haha, But amazing work you guys do can't wait to get commy and will Definitely bring it out to you guys to put a Cam and tune in it 😎😎😎
goes to show how cam selection is a bit of an art, not just a case of "bigger is better". Would be interested to know the logic behind what makes you pick a cam for a cathedral port vs a rectangle. The extent of my knowledge is basically 'rectangle is better' so would be cool to see a video on what the differences are and whats good for each.
Its mostly just matching the valve events to the much better port flow on the intake of the rectangles. I can probably do a little vid on it sometime soon! But thats why we generally go for a much bigger split on rectangles and almost even split on cathedrals.
I put HSV headers on my WM Statesman L98 2007 model and the midrange pull it picked up with those headers stock everything else was fantastic. Had OTR and a tune and it went very well.. Are you sure that ute doesn't have a cat back? Tailpipes don't look stock and it doesn't sound stock..Great result, awesome work lads.
Its the same as diff gears. Your HP readout goes lower but torque readout goes higher. Actual hp doesn't get affected. The "butt dyno" and real world will prove a massive increase in performance with a correctly suited bigger stall or diff gear ratio to suit. Dyno is a tuning tool, not a be all and all.
@@RhysK94 yep Diff gears is a funny one because theoretically the difference in readout should be minimal, but it actually does make quite a big difference. All these cars read on the very happy side due to them still being std gearing. If we put 3.7’s in them all power readings would drop significantly
Sorry for the late comment. Buy would you guys make a short video on the trans cooler that you install? That would be sweet to see the install! Or point me to the video that you install one please.
@@datdom34 as a matter of fact, I've got some Kelford cams to go in the Stagea's Neo when it comes back from the machine shop. Hoping to get a few ponies out of them. The other Neo will run stock cam on the intake side, and a RB26 exhaust cam, just because my friend had a spare one. I think it has slightly less duration and a bit more lift... not going to change much, it's just because we could do it, so why not. 😂
It’s mine mate little bit more surge particularly when it’s cold but it doesn’t bother me. Definitely shakes more at idle but perfect street cam I think
Hey guy’s probably a bad video to comment and ask but I was just wondering if you’s see a noticeable loss in torque in a ls1 with a tunnel ram setup over say a stock manifold with an otr? I really want to go tunnel ram for the looks but don’t want to if it will loose to much mid range
Wish you guys were in VIC I have a 6ltr VF where the timing is jumping around a bit and no one here is interested. I reckon you guys would sort it with no issue.
There is plenty of good tuners / engine builders in Victoria do some research and you will find great results you might have to travel but you definitely find great work
Have you ever camed a el falcon 4.L and if you have can you show a video on how to do it properly it would be helpful because I want to cam my el xr6 and I’d like to know how to go about it
so for std port heads with the 1287 with supporting mods in an auto with diff gears and big wheels 430-440whp would be about right. Also depends on the dyno though
Does the cam retainer have to be chamfered with every timing chain with torrington bearing? My rollmaster dual row didn't come with any installation information.
We haven’t no, though I’m sure they would be happy to take our feedback. This being said we have previously used this exact headers set on a VE and not had the same issue, perhaps just a batch issue with these flanges or something. Fitment issues with mass produced aftermarket exhaust are pretty common, it’s a pain but it’s not a huge deal at the end of the day
@@BoostGumps Thanks so much for the reply mate👍.. I really enjoy watching you guys as you take pride and care in what you're doing. So many people in performance shops have so much ego it's like they're doing you a favour working on your car and close enough is good enough with those blokes. I really love seeing your attention to detail and also how the cars go back together with factory hoses, clips etc back in place as they came in.. Keep up the great work. 👌😎
Powerbond underdrive pulley gain is 3-5hp gain at the crank What is very noticeable is how quick the rpm increases due to parasitic loss decrease Please explain why “steer clear at all costs”
@@jasonsalmon5550 Dampening harmonics is important, underdrive balancers simply don’t work as well, particularly once youre loading up with a bigger valvetrain etc. Every single LS I have ever seen snap a timing chain has had an underdrive balancer on it. Each to their own. But we steer well clear of them.
I’d be pulling this vid down before people who build engines tear it apart in the comments
You give engine builders a bad name with disinformation
The gains on E85 lol
Nah boys lol
All vehicles in this vid ARE NOT making the claimed rwhp with chosen cam profiles
Your big cam 500rwhp with heads lol
No hope in hell
For 1
That profile will have next to no p/v clearance
Then you say the heads are skimmer to bring up comp lol
There’s no p/v to start with lol
I commented on your reply to old mate regarding underdrive balancers
Please explain why people should not use them
And let’s talk about dyno manipulation
Why are the cars strapped down differently between the before and after dyno runs
We both know how that changes results
Just like playing with the correction factor
That tuner needs to stay off camera and not speak
And the bullshit with xforce headers not fitting correctly
Why not tell your audience the truth
Std leads will not fit 1 7/8” headers of any brand
So many comments in this video that are just bullshit
I KNOW what it takes to make 500+rwhp n/a LS
That’s ls3 std bore/stroke and std compression
No cutting pistons
No skimming heads to bump compression
The RIGHT cam profile
And the right cnc heads
That cam has no p/v? Are you thick? Do you think we havent checked this with multiple cam profiles with different head deck thicknesses? Go watch some other videos fly cutting for slightly bigger cams. This cam profile has 0 ptv issues with any amount any sane person would want to take off heads.
Gains on E are minimal as these combos arent knock limited on ULP. Thats just basic fluid mechanics. All vehicles are making claimed numbers, all dynoed in shootout with correction factors set, and all strapped exactly the same between before and after runs, not sure what youre smoking.. I would love to see you “pick this apart” while actually backing up anything you have to say. No comments on this vid are “bs” and we can back up everything we talk about. This is the only car we have ever had issues with leads fitting, and its because of the header flange, nothing to do with 1-7/8 headers.. You certainly are a silly salmon.
It fascinates me how people like you can come to the comments of a video like this and proclaim you know what the ptv is of the combo, to the people who are actually doing the work, in the same comment claiming WE give engine builders a bad name with “disinformation” 🤣. I could tell you exactly what ptv this cam will give at any head deck thickness, from 20 btdc to 20 atdc. Same with the 1288 and 1289 grinds. Im sure you “KNOW” what it takes to make 500whp n/a sbe LS, you just watched a whole video on how to do it… You sure like making yourself look like an ass.
Get him @BoostGumps I'll deffs be ringing you guys later in the year to bring my Manual VE SSV for a cam package clutch an full exhuast. Love ya vids an info guys.
@@jeremybartholdt6575 yeh as I expected its all crickets lol. Pinned the comment to make an example of him. Looking forward to it mate! Always keen on more cam kits 👌
I had 1 7/8, headers on my 6lt with standard leads, what are you smoking
Dude this vid was so interesting, no 1000hp "daily" just acheviable goals and good infomation, loved it 🤘🤠🤙
Really good builds guys. You've really cracked the right combo's for your customers. I once had a karate teacher that would say "practice doesn't make perfect, get it perfect, then practice it perfectly"
Good to have a solid base now to see what we can start finding improvements on!
Nice work boys, you guys know your LS engines well, simple but effective engines imo 🤙
Amazing video as always guys, keep up the great work, the amount of information passed on from you guys is fantastic 😃
Killah result!
I managed to get 498.6hp out of my VE, Cam and Heads SSV L98. 236/242@108, .6xx/.6xx, decked heads, flycuts to suit obviously!
Just shows it can be done time and time again! Killah job bois, keep it up 👌
Some great results there chaps! That cam is working nicely 👌
great informative video, love the details....don't stop talking 👍...wish you guys were closer as Id love to get my VF redline cammed and tuned by you...
Love your vids. You guys are a wealth of knowledge and appreciate the efforts to not only your customers but also your youtube channel. Its inspiring to watch. Cheers.
Will have to hit you guys up for one these packages myself for my 2012 VE SS manual.
Thanks for the feedback! Absolutely, shoot us an email whenever you're ready
Thanx for all the info.
Doing the work and making these videos must be a pain so thank you mate. All the best
I love this video so much I've got a l77 I'm doing this to in the future so it's great to see them being done and power figures awesome video!
Loved my dad SSV Redline part, an man it chucks ya in the seat now haha, But amazing work you guys do can't wait to get commy and will Definitely bring it out to you guys to put a Cam and tune in it 😎😎😎
Great watch gotta love a 6Lt
goes to show how cam selection is a bit of an art, not just a case of "bigger is better".
Would be interested to know the logic behind what makes you pick a cam for a cathedral port vs a rectangle. The extent of my knowledge is basically 'rectangle is better' so would be cool to see a video on what the differences are and whats good for each.
Its mostly just matching the valve events to the much better port flow on the intake of the rectangles. I can probably do a little vid on it sometime soon!
But thats why we generally go for a much bigger split on rectangles and almost even split on cathedrals.
very informative loved it :)
I put HSV headers on my WM Statesman L98 2007 model and the midrange pull it picked up with those headers stock everything else was fantastic. Had OTR and a tune and it went very well.. Are you sure that ute doesn't have a cat back? Tailpipes don't look stock and it doesn't sound stock..Great result, awesome work lads.
It’s my Ute mate the whole system is off a VF HSV. Not sure what model but perfect street setup
Great to see you are very busy in the shop!
Just as a ball park figure, how much would the 1st VF upgrade cost for a 50% power increase?
Never stops here mate we are run off our feet!
Ball park $8k but changes from car to car 👍
ive had those headers, they're hsv headers.
The stock converter hooks up better. From my own exp going from a stock converter to a 3500 converter I lost 20 rwkw.
Will run a quicker time down the 1/4 having the 3500 converter.
Very normal to lose peak power due to extra slip of the bigger converter. As Alex states the results will show in the numbers at the track
Its the same as diff gears. Your HP readout goes lower but torque readout goes higher.
Actual hp doesn't get affected.
The "butt dyno" and real world will prove a massive increase in performance with a correctly suited bigger stall or diff gear ratio to suit.
Dyno is a tuning tool, not a be all and all.
@@RhysK94 yep Diff gears is a funny one because theoretically the difference in readout should be minimal, but it actually does make quite a big difference. All these cars read on the very happy side due to them still being std gearing. If we put 3.7’s in them all power readings would drop significantly
@Boost Gumps what is standard gearing in these cars?
Sorry for the late comment. Buy would you guys make a short video on the trans cooler that you install? That would be sweet to see the install! Or point me to the video that you install one please.
Nah, I think that's about the right amount of talking.
90 hp from a cam, we need a couple each for our neo's mate, that's 180 hp twin cam lmao
@@datdom34 as a matter of fact, I've got some Kelford cams to go in the Stagea's Neo when it comes back from the machine shop. Hoping to get a few ponies out of them. The other Neo will run stock cam on the intake side, and a RB26 exhaust cam, just because my friend had a spare one. I think it has slightly less duration and a bit more lift... not going to change much, it's just because we could do it, so why not. 😂
@mrsabidji Love the why not attitude mate, sounds very Australian. Be nice to hear how you go with the cams bro.
@@datdom34 You definitely will. Actually, you'll probably have to beg for me to shut up about it. 😌
@mrsabidji It'll be alright. I'm sure we can handle it ;-)
Awesome vid! What’s the ballpark figure for drive in drive out, engine out, cam, heads, otr and exhaust?
Hey mate, do you have the part # for that trans auto cooler?
Cheers great in-depth video
How did the vf ute go with cam surge and the stock converter? Any issues with cam shake?
It’s mine mate little bit more surge particularly when it’s cold but it doesn’t bother me. Definitely shakes more at idle but perfect street cam I think
Do you guy's do any work on L67 3800, cars??
Hey guy’s probably a bad video to comment and ask but I was just wondering if you’s see a noticeable loss in torque in a ls1 with a tunnel ram setup over say a stock manifold with an otr? I really want to go tunnel ram for the looks but don’t want to if it will loose to much mid range
AWESOME results with the 1286 cam. Have you tried this cam with a supercharged 6.0 or 6.2 LS ? Thanks
Would you recommend this cam and head combo in a patrol with a l77 and 6l80? Thanks in advance 👍
Wish you guys were in VIC I have a 6ltr VF where the timing is jumping around a bit and no one here is interested. I reckon you guys would sort it with no issue.
There is plenty of good tuners / engine builders in Victoria do some research and you will find great results you might have to travel but you definitely find great work
What part number for the pwr oil cooler for the transmission do you guys use? Or do you sell them
Have you ever camed a el falcon 4.L and if you have can you show a video on how to do it properly it would be helpful because I want to cam my el xr6 and I’d like to know how to go about it
What's the lowest output you guys have had with this 1287 / heads combo on an L77?
Curious, as I've just had mine done with 22s on it...
so for std port heads with the 1287 with supporting mods in an auto with diff gears and big wheels 430-440whp would be about right. Also depends on the dyno though
Does the cam retainer have to be chamfered with every timing chain with torrington bearing? My rollmaster dual row didn't come with any installation information.
In my experience yeh pretty much all of them have a small protrusion that needs to be clearanced
What’s the part number for that pwr oil cooler? Do
You sell a kit?
Would that 1286 also be good for a sbe ls3 with stock converter and diff gears?
What is the estimated cost to do an upgrade like this the first car vf ute
What compression ratio on last VF Manual car guys.
Can you tell me the part number for the oil cooler please
Hi brian here can you tell the prices of the to different kits for the togrey Vf that you did please
Hey can I ask have you guys spoke to X Force about the issue with the leads? Surely they should sort that out? Big PITA
We haven’t no, though I’m sure they would be happy to take our feedback. This being said we have previously used this exact headers set on a VE and not had the same issue, perhaps just a batch issue with these flanges or something. Fitment issues with mass produced aftermarket exhaust are pretty common, it’s a pain but it’s not a huge deal at the end of the day
@@BoostGumps Thanks so much for the reply mate👍.. I really enjoy watching you guys as you take pride and care in what you're doing. So many people in performance shops have so much ego it's like they're doing you a favour working on your car and close enough is good enough with those blokes. I really love seeing your attention to detail and also how the cars go back together with factory hoses, clips etc back in place as they came in.. Keep up the great work. 👌😎
@@malsmith2012 Thankyou for the feedback mate it's very much appreciated! Im glad you enjoy the content!
Do you gain much with a 20% under drive pulley on the 6L
It’s negligible. We don’t like underdrive balancer setups and steer clear of them at all costs
Powerbond underdrive pulley gain is 3-5hp gain at the crank
What is very noticeable is how quick the rpm increases due to parasitic loss decrease
Please explain why “steer clear at all costs”
@@jasonsalmon5550 Dampening harmonics is important, underdrive balancers simply don’t work as well, particularly once youre loading up with a bigger valvetrain etc.
Every single LS I have ever seen snap a timing chain has had an underdrive balancer on it.
Each to their own. But we steer well clear of them.
Might have missed it in the vid, but what cam was chucked into the manual VF at the end? Cheers
Was the crow 1287 mate same cam as the auto one 👌
Specs on the heads and cam please
Hey guys how big of lift can you go without flycutting pistons for a l98. Looking at a btr stage 3 na
It's not lift for ptv clearance is duration and lsa
Hi mate I’m in Sydney I’m looking to do a cam package cnc heads exhaust Otr etc $10,000 budget
Any chance you can include torque figures aswell in your videos?
What gears you using on the autos? 3.7s???
Yeh with the 6 speed generally 3.7's
@BoostGumps awesome first week of Feb I'm doing 227/244 and 3k convertor car has 3.7s already
Where r u located , are u in Sydney
In QLD