Using the Apple Vision Pro as a Programmer
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- Should you buy the Apple Vision Pro as a programmer? There is a ton of use cases for this new headset and they mostly stem around all things graphics... however what about us coders?
In todays video I go over my setup, thoughts and determine if the Apple Vision Pro will work for programmers.
00:00 Intro
01:10 Into the Headset
01:45 AVP Demo
02:53 Cool! But functional?
04:30 Cost
05:00 New view in a new place
05:26 Traveling
06:15 Your Eyes May Vary
06:56 Closing thoughts
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"I actually lost one of my apps somewhere in my house" is the funniest thing I've heard all year (it's been 36 days)
I gotta admit I laughed pretty hard when it happened. Apple needs a "Find my App" feature lol
Not that funny mate. What are you 12
You think that's good I was talking to an artificial intelligence the other day how about whether popcorn was a good snack idea since I'm trying not to take in too many calories and it gave me all the information about its nutrients and then added, "additionally popcorn has plenty of air in it"
@@hmz3000 I found it funny 🤷🏻♂️
@@adamfreeman4342 AI is sometimes too smart for its own good.
I’m a developer and I use the Apple Vision Pro for programming. I absolutely love it! Playing the movie Dune while in the desert on a giant screen and mirroring my Mac is amazing. What really pulls this together is sitting in my movie theater chair and typing on the laptop. I don’t like using the wireless keyboard and trackpad.
Previously I used a 55” Odyssey Ark and a 65” Oled Sony, and two more 45” ultra wide monitors on standby.
FYI, you can reset all of your windows, when one is lost, by holding the Digital Crown button down.
Great tip on resetting the apps! I didn't know that one. I agree coding in this setup is quite a bit more fun than I imagined. Once we can have multiple macs connected its going to be next level. Or ability to drag from VisionOS to MacOS universally.
Sweet! I’ll have to give that a go!
I think in the future, apple could use calibration and machine learning to "learn" your air typing to make the virtual keyboard more effective.
That would be awesome and I imagine its coming sooner than later. Crazy to think this only the beginning of the device.
This is exactly the video review I was looking for as a full stack dev myself. My use case is pretty much like yours: VS Code front and center, Git or some build pipeline web site, and coms SW like Slack, etc. I could see supplemental open windows like a terminal, project mgmt web page, debug web window in a browser (this seems very possible if your Vision Pro can see your local network). I doubt the Vision Pro has a terminal app though so that might be held captive by the Mac Book or a VS Code terminal window. Thankfully many apps these days are web based and i'm guessing you can fire up as many browsers as you'd like. Follow up video on how things progress or pro tips you learn would be awesome. Thanks.
Awesome. I'll be sure to provide follow up videos, and you could use a shell iPad app though they aren't usually super helpful. I'm waiting for Apple to update the VisionOS to allow Mac apps to float outside of a single view.
Thanks for the video!
This use case is really cool.
What resolution are you working with? Can you set the display to a full 2160p monitor mirroring?
Thanks! You should be able to set it up to mirror at full resolution. The screen recording makes it look much lower resolution than what I see.
See, that's a good way of using this new technology.
It's definitely useful, albeit a little quirky, but its Version 1.0.0
What size is your light seal? My initial one was 33w which made my face hurt because it was too big for my face and reduced my field of view. Changed to 21W and it’s made a huge difference. Getting the fitting at the store was something I should have done initially.
100% agree on getting fitted. My initial one was 25W because of the lenses, I just swapped to a 21W+ (thicker face pad) last night and my initial findings is how much better it fits/looks!
What i like about my 5k studio display is the ability to arrange my IDE to show me even 8 source code files in the bottom row of the display, the top row is usually filled with browser and other stuff. Im sitting pretty much close thou. My question is, could i do the same thing with AVP and see everything sharp and clear? (especially the code)
The layout would be possible but it's just a mirror of your Mac display, however I don't believe it works with non laptop Macs at the moment. You'd set up your window arrangement and then display that into the AVP. Hopefully in the future we'll be able to use Mac apps outside of the constraints of a display.
Hey, fellow dev here, thanks for the review! My biggest question is readability of text. Watching all of the screen captures of course makes the text look smaller but is it really as crisp as using a traditional display?
The screen recordings show about a 1080p but in real usage its more detailed. I did increase my font size in Xcode to improve readability. I am hoping for some ability to change the resolution, in future updates.
I think you need to recalibrate the displays, because they are leaving very visible marks on your nose. Apple says that if the internal lens are touching your nose, you can adjust them to avoid discomfort. If you go to Settings > Eyes & Hands > Realign Displays, you can press and hold the top button (to the left) to move the lens outwards, which can significantly relieve the pressure on your nose. Just make sure you can read the instructions well when you do this, and if you can still read even with the lenses as far apart as possible, you're good to go. Hope it helps!
Great tip! I was able to loosen it a bit and don't have the raccoon look as much
I wonder if you’re able to access multiple virtual machines with it. All different screens
Once we can have multiple Macs or someone builds a VM viewer I could definitely see it.
Apple should give us a follow me or stay here for apps/window modes.
Yes!! I am hoping for that.
How is the text resolution? Is it blurry or do you have to increase zoom in your editor?
I had to increase the text size a bit (not much). The screen recording is limiting to 1080p so it's really showing so much worse than it does in your own VP view.
you mentioned that the focus can be a problem for power users/coders. Is that because it causes eye strain more quickly than you'd experience from regular monitors due to the foveated rendering not keeping up with your eye movements 100%?
That is a huge aspect because coder do tend to move around a bunch, especially debugging and testing. The other aspect is because a headset causes more eye strain than a monitor regardless.
@@CoderManhow does moving around on AVP differ from doing this with a display? Is there a delay on AVP when it’s changing focus to another part of the screen?
@@SnoozlebergThere can be a slight delay though it really isn't noticeable the more you use it.
Dude morphed 20 years in age with the simple removal of a hat. lol j/k Great Vid. Thanks for the info
LOL!!! You made me laugh.
Really solid take - I can def see this not being great if you're a super user like ya said.. basic stuff maybe okay.
Thanks! I really hope I can fold into my workflow more but I'll need some bugs fixed for sure.
Did the vision pro make the marks on your nose in the latter part of the video?
That is from the light seal. Funny enough I never feel it be can see marks after longer usage. Perhaps I need to loosen the headband a bit.
wow the font size on your screen is so small. is it a vision pro thing or a personal choice?
I think it's the recording, but the font size would be set by the computer. You can enlarge it.
Can I contact it to my work laptop(MBP)?
My work laptop does not let me to log in to my iCloud.
Sadly no. Need to be logged into the same WIFI and the same iCloud account. For now.
Good overview! You may want to mention that the VP can only pair with Apple Silcon M-series macbooks. If you have a intel macbook pro (me), it's not supported (lame, its probably just a compiler switch). That is just Apple requiring you to be all-in on the *latest* devices for integration, a sales squeeze-play business choice. Also, a 'not quite mature' element is that you can only have one macbook window open at a time. This will probably be corrected in the near future. Face pressure of the VP device over long periods of time was the deal breaker for me. I code all day, The first iteration of the VP device is too much weight on my face to do all day work.
That is horrible! I hadn't heard of that limitation. Wonder if thats a hard line in the sand or temporary issue?
This isn’t true. The Intel Macs just need to be running the latest version of Sonoma. I have one and an Intel iMac and they worked after the OS upgrade with no issue.
In cases where you don’t see the connect button, you use the control center in AVP to connect to your Mac.
@@DJ-sy1hvI'm inclined to believe they provided an update to the Mac or the AVP as many also presented this issue. Glad it's working!
Is the source code on the IDE legible? Im unable to read it from the video.
It is 4k when using the headset but 1080p in the recording. My other video on 4K recording shows the code how I see it. Check that out. Very clear! ruclips.net/video/NElhHmfdFZs/видео.htmlsi=rJw1YqXkYU-_CgN5
Will never be better than actual monitors ever as long as 2D floating windows is all its offering. The only way it can become better than monitors is if applications in the future start having actual 3D interfaces that simulate real objects you can interact with. That would be a gamechanger if audio and video professionals for example can have virtual equipment with knobs they can turn and stuff in AR, simulating thousands of dollars worth of hardware you don't have... that would be cool, simulating a monitor, not so much.
100% agree and man would a DAW or video editing deck in a virtual space be amazing. I liken this to a preview of whats possible, but for full on development I still need more workstation setup. The RUclipsrs saying they swapped 100% to VR/AR for development are either lying or not doing enough work in a session to matter.
Programming or studying from my bed would be so easy 😂
So true! Easy to get into a groove and have some Netflix or other entertainment off to the side for quick breaks.
W review, still not sold have quest 3 and play games just better gaming wise.
Thanks! Fully agree with gaming. Apple needs to do some work here.
Hope Apple doesn’t treat the Vision Pro as they did with the iPad. Not a stand alone computer. Wish I can access pc vr games games like Alyx or Cyberpunk 2077 with the bleeding edge specs
Agreed, its got a processor to rival my laptop. The choice for them to allow its full use will hopefully become a reality. Even for lite work.
Hey I saw you said you watch RUclips while you’re using your Mac. Someone else said this doesn’t work because you can’t have audio connected to both at once? Can you comment on this?
That is mostly correct. The audio will only come from the AVP or your actual Mac. However what I do mostly is use AirPods with AVP and use the audio from RUclips on that. For video editing I of course need to use the Mac audio. Hoping for an option to combine or at least smoothly handoff audio in the future.
@@CoderMan ah got it. So you don’t really need the Mac audio if you’re listening to RUclips on AVP?
@@P__114 correct. For RUclips at least.
Would the vision pro work with a laptop that is running Linux?
Unfortunately it requires Mac OS. You *might* be able to run MacOS on the Linux setup as a VM but I am not certain if Apple checks for verified and trusted hardware (like the M1 chip or known Intel chip). Could be a fun experiment though.
Do your eyes get tired after using this device more than two hours or so?
I haven't felt much eye fatigue well at least no more than wearing glasses. I do take breaks though.
I keep losing things in this or that room. In the future when my wife asks me what I'm looking for, I be like: god, I totally forget in which room I lost my xxx app. Did you happen to see it anywhere dear?
Future is gonna be wild? "Anyone see my browser around the house"? 😂
Dnt panic m nt hvng strke, jst using Aple Vizn kbd.
Hahahahha. !!
Lost an app in the house 😅. When an age we live in
😂😂 wild times!
Soon we’ll be able to buy digital AirTags
Hey Coderman if you ever need a video editor, I could totally help you with that. -Orney
Thank you. Shoot me some content you've edited and I'll keep it in mind. DM on instagram.
Press and hold the crown when you “loose” an app. It will bring them back to you.
Great tip! Though I have to admit, looking around for the app was kind of fun lol
Lost app in house because house was too big…LOL
Haha yup! A very weird problem to face. Definitely wasn't expecting it 😂😂
$3500 a real computing? still need external controller like keyboard and mouse ? a traditional laptop/ipad did a better job... it's funny someone say this device will replace smartphone and computer
I can't see this fully replacing either at the moment but you can peer into future computing. If they can make it as powerful as a MacBook Pro with no screen and a couple external hardware components it will be great. Of course the optics have to get better too. The FoV and overall clarity point is small.
i think you would get more functionality as a programmer if you switched to neovim
Funny enough I've been meaning to take Neovim for a spin. What's the top feature you like?
@@CoderMan just not having to use the mouse and navigate files and projects instantly is pretty nice
@@ebeneZragreed! The eye tracking is surprisingly good.
Can you wear the headset with a hat?
I haven't been able to comfortably, unless you turn the hat around.
Your nose looks painful after using the headset lol
What's funny is I never felt it but clearly had it way too tight. Just another thing to experiment with and dial in.