itslifebymaggie Quits Medicine | Doctor Dropout Reacts

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  • Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2024

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  • @ShaunAndersen
    @ShaunAndersen 18 часов назад +55

    You are absolutely the best person to do a reaction to her quitting!

  • @wadeedirfan8137
    @wadeedirfan8137 19 часов назад +54

    I normally don't comment but as a final year med student currently undergoing the ERAS match, I want to say that I am very excited about my future career. What I will say is that I have friends/family who are starting their careers in non-medicine fields and I have noticed that their hours are also very long! My younger siblings often come home around dinner time and many of friends also work on their projects over the weekend. It gave a nice perspective that to really progress in any domain, there is an initial upfront cost to be made. Yes medicine is more intense in that regard, but any field in which you want success requires a lot of hard work and gruelling hours. I made this post as a reminder to myself and other medical students that this field is extremely rewarding and I truly believe the efforts will pay off in the end!

    • @kevinjubbalmd
      @kevinjubbalmd  19 часов назад +3

      well said

    • @doctorshawn3461
      @doctorshawn3461 15 часов назад +1

      Most other professions don't have the added stress that if you screw up, someone could die. Been practicing for 10 years and I can tell you it's long hours with high stress. However, it is not all doom and gloom, it is overall a very rewarding profession to be in and would not have changed my decision to be a physician if I had to do it all over again. Best of luck in your future endeavors.

  • @treece_rose
    @treece_rose 20 часов назад +46

    I have a problem with her charging people money for something she's not great at herself, and using the money she is getting from those people to get her "7 figure income". Makes it seem as though now that she has these "pawns" trying to get into medical school, she is able to get out.

  • @CoffeeKatastrophe
    @CoffeeKatastrophe 21 час назад +35

    8 to 5 is only bad when you have no volition in your job. Once you do, it becomes part of you and not a shackle

    • @kevinjubbalmd
      @kevinjubbalmd  21 час назад +6

      Exactly. Volition/agency, purpose, challenge

  • @smivlibee5936
    @smivlibee5936 21 час назад +51

    She definitely went into this for the money and respectfully if thats what she wants thats fine. Announcing it and throwing it in our faces is a joke and should be scrutinized. Imagine if more and more MD were like her. Medical graduate starts a business without becoming board certified.
    If you only go to medical school to be an entrepreneur/medfluencer, who’s going to practice medicine? Chatgpt?

    • @Vicente-en2zx
      @Vicente-en2zx 19 часов назад +3

      Honestly with the current situation, I am now in the camp of Chatgpt at this point. I didn't like how the healthcare facilities treated my grandma especially with the cooperation even with small things such as bedside care, giving her daily medications while she is in the hospital care (especially when my family and I are not there watching) and lack of cooperation with the RN's and Docs who probably have their own agendas/biases while they were at work. There is a huge dissatisfaction in the healthcare field right now and that's why there is a huge resentment especially towards established institutions against the American Medical Association (AMA) and AHA. Now it culminated to an antivaccer being in control in one of the most important leadership positions in the health industry. It's also shocking how despite the acceptance of diverse students from LGBT, and color nothing has changed. The Healthcare Workers especially leadership really need to look at the mirror at themselves and ask "what did I do wrong"?
      I am not thinking logically at this point I am expressing my what comes to mind as respectfully as possible.

    • @ayeshaahmad9506
      @ayeshaahmad9506 18 часов назад +1

      Lmao that makes no sense. How does chatgpt fix any of the problems you're having?? +everything you've mentioned is very region-specific and depends on what hospital you go to.

    • @Vicente-en2zx
      @Vicente-en2zx 18 часов назад

      @@ayeshaahmad9506 What's your solution then? Cause the one hospital my grandma was in was in a very wealthy place in the US. I could not imagine the conditions being it in rural or international. I know it is pretty toxic arguing in internet comments but I am doing for the thrill of it.

    • @HbAz783V
      @HbAz783V 15 часов назад

      @@Vicente-en2zx I'm sorry you had that experience and it is something that does need to be improved. However, in general having medical professionals working in conjunction with AI is probably the longer goal/solution. There are obviously human error that occurs with the healthcare field, but the issue currently is the fact that there are more and more administrative roles being created, while the rise in medical professionals is fairly stagnant. This leads to medical institutions wanting physicians and medical professionals to see patients every 20-30 minutes so they can get as much ROI as possible. Issue is patient outcomes go down. Also note that AI has shown bias in the past and if the people who are making it have direct connections to pharmaceutical, medical, and insurance institutions there still could be bias.

    • @Vicente-en2zx
      @Vicente-en2zx 14 часов назад

      @@HbAz783V All right armchair healthcare public health official what are you proposing then? Could you give a solution. One of my uncles who works at a well-known tech company after witnessing that traumatic solution has that in mind using AI especially with the ineffectiveness of the Health System. I am telling you know the healthcare system (especially Doctors who still leaders of the healthcare system) better do something effectively the next two years or soon it will encourage these tech programmers to make desperate inventions with the intention to save their loved ones even though it might lead to bad consequences akin to something like the Terminator or someone like Dr. Freeze trying to save her wife from brain tumor. They are willing to make risks and gamble with the future and may cause harm to the population. Not sure with doctors who are trained to be risk-averse.

  • @YoRHa2B
    @YoRHa2B 21 час назад +64

    her motivations are highly questionable

    • @MohamedAhmed-wc3pw
      @MohamedAhmed-wc3pw 11 часов назад +1

      She can do whatever she wants with her degree

    • @orcaprotector
      @orcaprotector 9 часов назад

      @@MohamedAhmed-wc3pw Absolutely. Her motivations are still highly questionable

    • @dochudson9912
      @dochudson9912 6 часов назад

      But she wasted a medical school spot. Someone who is more passionate about medicine could've had that spot and made a great physician. ​@@MohamedAhmed-wc3pw

    • @YoRHa2B
      @YoRHa2B 3 часа назад

      @@MohamedAhmed-wc3pw yeah she technically can but she took a spot of someone that actually wants to be a doctor people that are goin in for the right reasons. Im personally trying to get in medschool right now and would feel awful if my spot was taken by someone that just is in it for the money and is going to quit anyways

  • @thejavilan7992
    @thejavilan7992 20 часов назад +17

    I understand people changing their minds during med school or residency and finding different passions. There is NOTHING wrong with that. People finding their true calling (like you have) should be celebrated. That said, her video is not that at all. She went into medical school already not wanting to go into clinical medicine. If she had made these intentions known during interviews i doubt she would've gotten in. Thus it is very unlikely she wasn't being disingenuous at least in part during her application process and beyond. Your point about hypomania is an interesting one and I think there is definitely a possibility that may be going on.

  • @Inkafoxie
    @Inkafoxie 14 часов назад +14

    Someone explain to me why people are still buying “courses” in an age of so much information being freely available to us

    • @mustang8206
      @mustang8206 11 часов назад +4

      pre-meds are some of the most anxiety riddled perfectionists out there. If you can convince a few of them that there's some hidden info in their course that will get them into medical school they will jump on it

    • @MrPassword4Password
      @MrPassword4Password 10 часов назад +2

      Too much money, not enough common sense

    • @Im0nJupiter
      @Im0nJupiter 4 часа назад

      Tbh it's so easy to know WHAT to do, just hard to do it. I can't imagine paying anyone for anything but PS/secondary writing.

  • @drfifteenmd7561
    @drfifteenmd7561 18 часов назад +16

    Yeah, she was the one who got in on a low GPA and didn’t seem that wanting to be a doctor in the first place.

  • @mijmij8
    @mijmij8 14 часов назад +5

    thanks for this video!! we love your in-depth discussions
    yes money is important but when its the sole reason for going into medicine, it really makes you look superficial. it's even more surprising to say it out loud and imo she shared as much not because she doesnt care what others think, rather because she didn't grasp all the implications of what she was saying, and how bad it makes her look as a person
    i do have to say she did the right move not to take a residency spot with her solely financial motivations

  • @Quandale445
    @Quandale445 22 часа назад +25

    Guys I just got into med school why are we all switching up all of a sudden 😭🙏

    • @kevinjubbalmd
      @kevinjubbalmd  21 час назад +44

      Overwhelming majority of people aren’t quitting. It’s just selection bias you’re seeing on RUclips

    • @Quandale445
      @Quandale445 21 час назад +5

      @@kevinjubbalmd Yeah true

    • @garrisonboehl258
      @garrisonboehl258 15 часов назад +1

      It is entirely normal for people to quit medicine given that it is such a long and arduous path. It has always been the case, we just see it more cuz of the internet like kevin said.

  • @ArvindRajan
    @ArvindRajan 19 часов назад +10

    Completely agree that her video seemed a bit tangential and disorganized at times - I chalked it up to being unscripted but like the hypomania dx more lmao

  • @jodythi1
    @jodythi1 17 часов назад +5

    I watched her videos from when she was applying for schools, etc. and I was really motivated but now I feel like it’s not the same watching her videos since I’m not on the path that she’s currently on.

  • @djaligater
    @djaligater 19 часов назад +11

    Kevin, speaking to your point about virtue signaling and why people go into medicine. I think what MOST people mean is the PRIMARY reason why you went to medical school. I think it’s perfectly fine to want to make money as a physician BUT taking care of patients should be the PRIMARY reason you went to medical school. Just my two cents.

    • @kevinjubbalmd
      @kevinjubbalmd  19 часов назад +12

      i like that you're speaking to the gray, the middle, where it's a matter of both and not one or the other, and I don't disagree with you - money should not be the primary driver. That being said, I have seen many commenters on YT/Reddit/etc. who say they don't care at all about the money and would do it for free. That's just nonsense - they wouldn't work a career and put up with the sacrifice for nothing.

    • @tatianagonzalez9240
      @tatianagonzalez9240 17 часов назад

      I think its a balancing act. Personally all I really need is to be able to make enough to pay off students loans and then live and work comfortably without financial stress and an occasional vacation

  • @shellyt556
    @shellyt556 20 часов назад +9

    Oh this quit video came around the same time as zach's. What a contrast!

  • @strawverymilktae1280
    @strawverymilktae1280 15 часов назад +3

    I cant believe this. I'm actually not surprised but also not disappointed. I didn't get the inspiration or passion from her. I shall come back and watch after completing my stats test review though haha

  • @s.p.8508
    @s.p.8508 18 часов назад +7

    I don’t understand the mindset of these influencers thinking that because they grew a following now, they will maintain that following and keep growing at the same rate. To me, the medical influencers grow due to them, ya know, doing medicine. If you all of a sudden stop doing that then why would someone who follows you for the medicine continue following you? It’s the same thing with the newer Zach Highley vid. He brought up that he can probably go full time RUclips and build on his following and monetize on it and yadda yadda. Sure people will probably watch a bit more for his productivity, but he’s not doing medicine anymore. Why would people who followed him for the medicine want to continue watching his videos if he is not doing the thing they followed him for anymore?
    I really think that unless you have a very very solid plan on exactly what you are going to do, and are not counting on your current following to get there, then maybe it will work out. Otherwise I’m not sure how people like this can continue to monetize on a following that probably mostly don’t care about them anymore now that they are out of medicine and in business.

    • @jodythi1
      @jodythi1 15 часов назад +2

      I agree with you, I feel like I can’t watch the vids when they are no longer doing med school.

  • @mustang8206
    @mustang8206 10 часов назад +1

    Your point about the car community is spot on. In real life most car guys are great but on the Internet its one of the most divided and critical communities out there. People don't just fight over brands but over which models and over which trims of specific models and it gets so frustrating

  • @HowIDidIt-u5d
    @HowIDidIt-u5d 22 часа назад +13

    But doesn’t have enough money to replace the smoke alarm

  • @pkilam
    @pkilam 15 часов назад +4

    if she doesnt want it ill gladly take her spot

    • @cici4630
      @cici4630 13 часов назад

      Earn the spot, like she did

  • @KenmanG1982
    @KenmanG1982 18 часов назад +7

    Outside of psychopathology, I would say that she is an impulsive person

  • @mustang8206
    @mustang8206 12 часов назад +1

    Honestly my initial attraction to medicine was the salary. I've always loved fitness and helping people to get healthier, but the salary was definitely my initial draw. As a kid I didn't even think I would ever make a 100k salary let alone a 250-450k salary like some specialties make. But I just don't think the juice is worth the squeeze for me. I absolutely hate studying and always have, but I thought that if I was studying for something I was passionate about that I would want to it put in the work for it. Instead, I'm halfway through my senior year of college and I'm miserable all the time and always wishing I was doing something else. My family is so proud because they believe I'll be a doctor someday and I don't want to let them, but I also want to be able to come home from school or work and be able to relax and be happy. I love learning about politics and history, I love cars, and the gym and medicine has robbed me of those things. Some say it gets better as attending but a lot of attendings are burnout, depressed, or even suicidal. Maybe it's time for me to move on with my life, there's an entire world out there of different careers and I don't want to be just locked into medicine

  • @madeleineisabel1287
    @madeleineisabel1287 18 часов назад +2

    Great video! I always learn so much from you. I think this will be so helpful to so many people being mindful about why they are choosing a specific path. Some sort of balance is vital and so is doing something meaningful because it will be what makes you move forward in a healthy way while making a good impact in the world

  • @Drift1
    @Drift1 23 часа назад +3

    Thanks for covering this!

  • @Eudamonic
    @Eudamonic 6 часов назад +1

    That's totally fine. I would NOT want her to be my doctor!

  • @Baldwinthefourth-1176
    @Baldwinthefourth-1176 11 часов назад

    Love to see it! Makes it less competitive for those who are doing this for the right reasons

  • @Im0nJupiter
    @Im0nJupiter 3 часа назад

    Being a "against all odds" medical student was her shtick, people seemed to enjoy her journey, and that journey is now over on what medical folk would consider a sour note. I never watched her stuff but it seems like her marketing "leverage" was being an inspiring story full of failures, such that she could save you the same pitfalls for just $500. Now that her story (edit: in MEDICINE) is over, the leverage is much reduced, especially as someone who has left her "dream" behind. I doubt people would be inspired enough to buy her stuff now.
    Between the loss of this potent story for marketing and her reputation now being tarnished by that video, I have doubts that her business will take off like she imagined. If I was her, holding onto the storyline and the consistent income of being a boarded physician would have been wise, and definitely would have been my choice. I wish her luck.

  • @willthomas99
    @willthomas99 6 часов назад

    Damn bro everyone who I used to watch before med school droppin like flies

  • @AGirlCalledNicole
    @AGirlCalledNicole 18 часов назад +14

    Let's not pretend like half of us (on our own or by parental influence) didn't go into medicine for the prestige and money.
    Plenty of medical students/ doctors leave the field for a better quality of life all the time. She's not the only one who's done this lately and yet she's getting flooded with the most hate. She was being honest, most of us are not.

    • @kevinjubbalmd
      @kevinjubbalmd  18 часов назад +7

      i applaud her for her honesty, but there's a balance that's lacking, as I explain in the video

    • @bluethunder9102
      @bluethunder9102 17 часов назад

      Prestige? Couldn’t care less.
      Money? For sure wouldn’t be a doctor for less than 300k per year.

    • @garrisonboehl258
      @garrisonboehl258 15 часов назад

      Imo there is a massive difference between going into medicine strictly for money and prestige vs seeing those as secondary or tertiary desires.

    • @mustang8206
      @mustang8206 11 часов назад

      @@garrisonboehl258 most pre-meds genuinely want to be take care of patients in my experience but I do know a few of my classmates who are purely doing this for money, prestige, or because it's what their parents did, and they don't know what else to do. It really shows when you hear or see the number of medical and undergrad students who cheat on exams and sabotage students. At my school we have a group of pre meds who will join as many clubs as possible, run for officer positions, and then do absolutely no work in, all so they can list it on their application

  • @mpm2004
    @mpm2004 2 часа назад

    She had no intention of becoming a doctor and took a seat from someone who wanted to become a doctor.

  • @aliceazzun146
    @aliceazzun146 Час назад +1

    Whatever, from a student’s perspective, you pretty much did the same thing. Stop trying to add nuance that’s irrelevant, you’re not any more qualified.

  • @NO1xANIMExFAN
    @NO1xANIMExFAN 15 часов назад

    honestly curious as to why she even decided to go through with 4 years of med school in the first place, when she even said her self that her itch for business was already being taken care of prior to entering med school.

  • @Kelly22345
    @Kelly22345 19 часов назад +4

    I feel bad for her now

    • @kevinjubbalmd
      @kevinjubbalmd  19 часов назад +7

      she has drive and demonstrated success in entrepreneurship. i think she'll be fine in entrepreneurship, i just don't think she'll find continued success in the medical school admissions space long term. she'll likely pivot to something else. my 2 cents

  • @scottrezajafarian2502
    @scottrezajafarian2502 Час назад

    Competition alert!!!! competition alert!!!!competition alert!!!!

  • @stopthatracket
    @stopthatracket 32 минуты назад

    i agree with pretty much everything you said but i am curious on one aspect in particular. you obviously crushed it in undergrad and med school, but do you worry that as things inevitably become more competitive that what you did will not produce the same results for future applications (say 15 years or so from now). you often hear docs say “i couldn’t have gotten in/matched with todays standards” and i’m curious on how/if you plan on adapting your business long term.

  • @LIVEINPEACE2023
    @LIVEINPEACE2023 22 часа назад +5

    I’m curious, are doctors taught how to speak without the use of excessive fillers like “like” or does that come in time? 🤔

  • @AdvaitV
    @AdvaitV 9 часов назад

    He said the Family Medicine doctor can teach spirituality. Mannnn! Hahahahah

  • @TalhaFaisal1
    @TalhaFaisal1 22 часа назад +5

    Finally return of the apple watch 😀

    • @kevinjubbalmd
      @kevinjubbalmd  21 час назад +2

      😂 you got that attention to detail

  • @nan07878
    @nan07878 11 часов назад

    I do disagree with you on one point that she has to be top notch in order to be providing courses like she is. I think starting with low stats but still getting into med school resonates with a lot of students who struggle at the start. This issue comes when there doesn't seem to be much of an upswing. I'll say that I'm a pre-med with low stats, but just about anyone In the same position is gunning to become a stellar student and when it came to her as a student it kinda feels like she settled by saying that she didn't really apply herself at the start of med school and didn't seek out research. Her not having high stats to get in isn't the reason she shouldn't be seen at the expert, her stopping her academic climb to be top notch soon after entering in persuit of business is why

  • @yugiohforce1
    @yugiohforce1 12 часов назад

    Great video and breakdown

  • @jojo3luver
    @jojo3luver Час назад

    I think I disagree with your stance on she's a C player therefore she can't be qualified to do her thing. I think it'd be a different story if she was hiding her journey and trying to sell to everyone and advertising that she's a rock star student that can help everyone be an A player, but she's instead being authentic to herself and honest about the difficulties she's experienced on her journey to medicine. If you're an Alex Hormozi fan I'm sure you've heard him say that as well. The only thing you can do is to be true and authentic to the experiences you've had and there will be then an audience that relates to her failures and doesn't necessarily want advice from someone who had straight A's their entire life because that's not what their life has been like.
    So I don't fully agree with your view on that.

  • @arcraus
    @arcraus 19 часов назад +8

    I enjoyed this video, but the degree of (we'll call it speculating) regarding state of mind made me uncomfortable. Making comments about patterns in thinking is helpful, but pathologizing behaviors isn't necessary. An MD commenting that someone seems hypomanic carries a lot of weight because hypomania isn't really a colloquial idea, it's clinical and specific.

    • @kevinjubbalmd
      @kevinjubbalmd  19 часов назад +11

      valid! made it a point to say i'm not a psychiatrist and this is just my unfiltered reaction. i've even considered if i've had hypomanic episodes at times in my life. it's less about diagnosing something and more about discussing patterns that directionally align with something established and understood

  • @indrakamalyadav2921
    @indrakamalyadav2921 22 часа назад +3

    Everyone is quiting 😭

    • @isiddiqui5162
      @isiddiqui5162 15 часов назад +1

      haven’t seen many quit, the sunk cost is huge and keep 99% in

    • @khoitran8467
      @khoitran8467 14 часов назад +1

      That’s just selection bias. You see a RUclipsr quit, you equate that to everyone is quitting. Trust me man, that’s not the reality

  • @bubbybuckets8524
    @bubbybuckets8524 2 часа назад

    She’s always rubbed me the wrong way

  • @dremmanuelnwogu
    @dremmanuelnwogu 22 часа назад +4

    There appears to be a trend of people hating on doctors who have an active social media presence. It’s like program directors search your name and if you are active on SM, you are sifted off.

    • @evanmarshall3487
      @evanmarshall3487 22 часа назад +6

      Maybe becsuse we have to work with these people and realize they kind of blow

  • @oluwaseunfagbamila6946
    @oluwaseunfagbamila6946 18 часов назад

    i think she should have consulted you before making the video.

  • @fabian9164
    @fabian9164 3 часа назад

    I watch her RUclips video and all her saying are her businesses. I stop watching her video right away.

  • @nadineahmed1249
    @nadineahmed1249 18 часов назад +8

    I think it is pretty hypocritical for you to say this considering you did the same thing as her

    • @kevinjubbalmd
      @kevinjubbalmd  18 часов назад +6

      There are stark differences as outlined in the video. Cheers

    • @nicksim9154
      @nicksim9154 13 часов назад +1

      I'm sure he could make more money going the cosmetic BBL plastics shop route if your referring that money was his motivator like hers. I always figured he gave up on the money vs being focused on it when he dropped residency

  • @uglyz5091
    @uglyz5091 22 часа назад

    No nature no valid

  • @invictuous9222
    @invictuous9222 21 час назад +3

    She seems super manic at the beginning of the video, she was so confident that she wanted to do OB and then the next scene didn’t want to do it

    • @Nicole-kq6rc
      @Nicole-kq6rc 20 часов назад +14

      as a psych resident, i can tell you that she does not appear manic haha

    • @garrisonboehl258
      @garrisonboehl258 15 часов назад

      @@Nicole-kq6rc how about hypomanic? just curious from your perspective how accurate kevin's speculation was

    • @gdaymates431
      @gdaymates431 12 часов назад

      That's her personality, lol. She is a chatty girl. What's next? Are you going to call her a hysterical woman?

  • @youabttoloseyojob5100
    @youabttoloseyojob5100 22 часа назад +2

    Wow I did it even think abt her being manic

  • @michaelakintunde7662
    @michaelakintunde7662 20 часов назад +1

    Love your honest and thoughtful take on this subject. Also let’s goo @shaunanderson 😁