The Corrupt World Of Food Politics | Marion Nestle
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I'm astonished to learn Marion is 87 years old. Not only does she have the appearance of somebody 20 years younger, but she also has the lucidity and clarity of mind of somebody half of her age!
That's the power of living a healthy life!!
Very true! She is a great example of the benefits of healthy eating
She is older than you know who and the other one, but so much more coherent than either.
If only Joe Biden was half as well aged
Guys, guys, no politics 😅
A nutritionist being named Nestle is some heavy duty cosmic irony.
I watched this entire video twice. Every point she made was AGAINST corporations, and their lobbying, marketing, profit motive.
I guess that's one more example of don't judge a person by their name.
@@anathardayaldarhe wasn’t judging anything bro he was just stating something he thought was ironic
@@ilum3345 I think they meant corporate names and their lobbying, marketing all in the name of profit for them while consumers get no "profit" from them. Ex: "corporate names and their lobbying, marketing all in the name of profit" and not an individual person per se.
I could be wrong but that's the way I read it.
@@cassiereroniyou could be, and are, wrong. ilum3345 was simply stating the fact that the OP wasn’t making any judgments at all. They were simply stating something that they thought was ironic.
@@DasUhMAZIN You're right I could be wrong as I said. But that's the way I read it to mean.
It is good to see an actual nutritional researcher discussing nutrition rather than a chiropractor or orthopedic surgeon, etc.
But yet the information from the latter isn't too far off, sure there are a couple of wack jobs but all in all following "their" advice we'll probably be much better than going with the governmental guidelines.
It's probably these other professions sending the patients TO the nutritionists....surgeons, physiotherapists & co. see the consequences of poor diet 😅
@@nickbuis3307 but those wack jobs have millions of followers. And the thing they have in common with governmental guidelines is they’re influenced by food industry money
@@nickbuis3307 Who writes the governmental guidelines?
@@TarkasBane Google it.
I’m in ED recovery and the way she talks so joyfully about food as just FOOD and nothing more is really really refreshing and motivating.
I’m right there with you and found myself thinking the same thing! As she said, it really is a joyous activity I get to do everyday
Congrats on your recovery
congrats on being in recovery and know you have a bunch of internet strangers rooting for you to stay on the journey to actual health 🙏🏻
You can do it! I used to have a severe eating disorder. At one time I weighed 187 pounds. I now weigh 126. I had an eating disorder on both sides of the spectrum. After I lost weight, I became so afraid of gaining back the weight that I would barely eat any calories. I was causing myself to be really sick. I would end up binge eating because I had just starved myself. So I would yo-yo with my weight. Finally, I went and got myself a nutritionist who taught me about healthy eating. I now have the same mindset with food where I just use it for energy and nothing else
Thank you for sharing and being vulnerable. I pray that your mindset shifts permanently and that you can enjoy food in a healthy way so that it nourishes you and makes you feel genuinely good and whole.
Dr Mike I would love to see a limited series of videos with Dr Nestle where you show a real person's grocery haul and point out the good, point out the bad and offer real alternatives.
Seconded! Sounds cool
The jist of it is, there aren't good alternatives. As soon as we have a good alternative, it gets bought out and the recipes are changed to make the product cheaper while charging you the same, getting in on massive profit margins. You can't as easily control profits on produce, whole grains, etc, so it's not marketed and pushed, but you can make it healthy.
Great idea but they’re not mentioning brand names for a reason. They can talk about the industry as a whole but any deviation from that will spring lawsuits faster than you can blink.
Just stop buying prepared foods, instead focus on unprocessed stuff. Vegetables, fruit, nuts,…
YES!!!!
She's 87? She's amazing.
Hello Chef! Great to see you here!
Chef know his nutrition, keep it up man 😂
If anyone was wondering, she is NOT related to the Nestlés. Thankfully.
That's what I thought when I saw her name before, How ironic her last name and the one of the biggest Food company have the same spelling just different pronunciation.
Yes, I was wondering hahahahaha
It's pronounced differently too
Right, her name isn't pronounced the same though so my suspicion dropped immediately.
Was looking for a comment on this topic. Good to know.
she’s 87!! wow! i’ll have what she’s having! my notepad is OUT
@@extrablue1 The brain needs saturated fats. Sure, it can make its own, but I would rather supply it with good quality fats.
@@nickbuis3307 I did say, not too much
Not too hard, eat a diet of mostly whole foods, staying out of the sun too much, become a nutritionist academic with tenure at a major university, exercise, etc something most people do anyways.
Just like mom said, eat your vegetables, nothing in excess.
Good genetics.
I'm from Argentina and here they passed a couple of laws that some people complain but are good overall.
The one I think is more important is "Ley the etiquetado frontal" or "front labeling law" where you have to put a big logo at the front of your packaging saying when it has too much of something. For example, "excess sugars", "excess salt" "excess calories" "excess fats" etc.
At first people complain saying it was a stupid law because people "knew better" and "you can just look the nutritional facts". Then people started seeing how many products where in fact not good for you, for example lots of "light" versions of common products still had a lot of calories and sugar. In time some brands had to change their formulas to actually make them "light".
The other one is that you can't use "celebrities" on packaging, so you don't have people buying messi's lays potato chips for example. You also can't use anymore the famous rabbit from nesquick or the toucan from froot loops or any of those cartoons. This one is specially good for children since they often just want it for the branding.
@@Damiancontursi that sounds good, but does this law make to write “excess sugar” on a pack of sugar and “excess fats” on a pack of butter? What is excess?
@@katjarozantseva8069 I haven't actually read the specifics so I don't know what are the limits or how they categorized things. I'll look it up and share it.
Those laws sound like a step in the right direction. Increasing public awareness about problematic food contents is a great thing if done right.
I love the idea of removing cartoons from unhealthy food packaging directed at kids. That type of marketing is unethical and leads to poor health outcomes.
Of course, food companies have many other ways of marketing to kids. Still, it’s amazing to hear that your government is taking a stand to improve public health, even though I’m sure there was a lot of push back.
What would be great is if the cartoon characters could migrate to the produce section, or even on bags of healthier snacks or like frozen vegetables! I would have loved that even as a kid 😂 @@R0gueNinja
Wow, that's great laws, I would dream about that. Also showing big numbers on front amount of calories in the package, not on 100 grams would be great also
Dr. Mike continues to do the work I expected the media to do. This is the real work. We need more of this! Real conversations, non-politicized science education. Thank you
Listen to interviews with Robert F Kennedy Jr. He feels very similarly about the food corporations.
As a nutritionist Marion Nestle is one of my biggest inspirations, food politics is seldomly discussed while too much emphasis is put on the individual without taking into account socioeconomic factors and food lobying, which is the big elephant in the room 👏👏
The massive stockpile of tanks in the police parking garage has to go to sugar. If it's a modern disease that's getting worse keto and/or Fasting usually reverses it.
Glad to see that there are still some good idols outs there!
I agree food politics plays a role but
At the end of the day people are responsible for their own decisions.
Obesity=choice
Agreed. This is a really important point, I’m glad you brought it up. It’s invasive, from product placements to like you said, food lobbying where they can incredibly influence what’s put in stores or what countries can import.
One cannot change the political system or big food companies in a lifetime, but you can change your own habits with a single decision. It seems like the focus is exactly where it needs to be. When you think you're a victim, and not responsible for your own decisions, you can't make the change you need. In parallel, we do need to change the system too of course, because it's impossible to count on every single individual to make the hard choice.
two minutes in and i'm already enamored with how intelligent and well spoken dr. nestle is. that's what a lifetime of research and advocacy gets you.
To bad it barely helped since it drug companies will ultimately solve the obesity problem.
She's a crank, though. Even if her intentions are good.
@@southcoastinventors6583 It will still take some time. And their research is also valuable to these drug companies. Nothing "too bad" about it.
@@southcoastinventors6583 even if they do, there is still value in good foundational nutrition and understanding of what food does to the body.
I love her, she's so cheerful yet knowledgeable and well informed. I would have loved to have her as a Professor, her classes must have been fantastic
I like that Dr. Mike will consistently ask “what evidence” or “what proof”
It’s a way to check the guests from just saying whatever they want, while also just getting more in depth detail on the topic. Well done
And she just keeps saying "o there's tons of proof" without actually giving an answer
@@CaptainCoroboif you go to her blog you can see it's nothing but proof. Not sure if you're expecting her to quote every research paper on the fly for a podcast but that would be wildly boring and a waste of time. She's providing the information, now go find out the reality.
@@braverfoxxThe thing is, we are not on her block. We are listening to her in this interview, and it would help greatly if she would give examples about some of these studies, and not just talking about how procest or unnatural equals bad.
This is just scratching the surface. If you really want to be healthy go read a banned book Health and Beauty Mastery.
One thing I would recommend for your podcast notes, add in what your guest references so those of us who are more curious can do our own reading and research. I can Google the studies but it would incentive myself and others to look up the info while watching/listening. Personally, I love learning more every day and it would help.
Yes!!! I really appreciated on the recent podcast about trans care when the person would say who did a study because it made it easier to look it up. With this one it was all "a study" or "there's tons of research." I wish there were more specifics in the interview or an easy way to find at least some of the studies mentioned.
Im 64 and have been following Marion Nestle since the early 1980s ... She is a savior....the single most important thing shes taught me which ive followed the last 40 years is to read the ingredients list on all foods items.... Its surprising to see over the decades how few people read the ingredient list before putting the item in their shopping cart. I attribute alot of my exceptional health and youthful appearance to Marion Nestle. Fabulous interview...
Why bother just don't buy stuff from a box
It could either prove that citizens are believing in the governments and scientist that protect them from bad foods or exhausted from working cycle to think of the value of their food. But I think lose our ability to protect ourselves and solely rely on entities for our food safety or any type of safety could be wrong.
What do you look for in the ingredients tho? And where can I "follow" her?
I used to cook as a sous chef and that armed me with very useful information. I can make a healthier meal from scratch than trusting frozen or canned ultra processed foods.
I'll never forget when I learned about food brands targeting schools to build brand loyalty early. The fact that they make, let's use as an example fruit roll ups, that have lower sugar and calories so that they can fit into school regulations for health criteria for the food that can be served to children, in the hopes that kids out of school will ask their parents for fruit rollups that are chock full of sugar. And food companies have reward systems with schools so that if a school buys 'x' amount of their product that the school can redeem points for, let's say new ovens for their kitchen.
"Deregulate the market", right? "The market is self-regulating". LOL. LMAO, even.
That's fucked. They also have an entirely different recipe for almost every junk food, that is sold outside of the US, with way less sugar and no dyes etc
@@MichaelGray-dq7gy also, I'm jealous of foreign snacks. Things taste so much nicer without all the unnecessary sugar.
@@MichaelGray-dq7gythe food dyes are very iffy to me tbh. I’ve watched so many content creators from the us like buzzfeed, try guys etc using some funny ridiculous recipes with food dyes that are banned in my country. Of course the target audience is primarily US but i found it abit strange that noone commented on the amount of food dyes they used. It waspretty unreal to me.
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every single second of this entire episode is my Roman Empire lol. I think SO MUCH on a daily basis about the impossible entanglement of capitalist enterprises in food/healthcare/pharmaceutical industries, nutrition, socioeconomic disparities and cultural attitudes toward weight. This whole discussion was profoundly validating, it's as if my thoughts were spoken aloud between you both. I wish this episode could be beamed into everybody's device worldwide -- if we all woke up to the unseen influences that impact our decisions, health and attitudes, we would all be much, much better off. thank you Dr. Mike, keep up the fantastic work!!!
Listen to interviews with Robert F Kennedy Jr. He holds the same opinion on the food corporations. He wants to make the country healthier.
@@PennyBrentonCarney lol no.
@@charmsz566very confused by this comment because he does broadly agree with what is said here about the food industry. And pretty much believes our government has been captured by every industry.
I disagree with several of his positions but let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water.
I am a person that is overweight and telling me that it's "okay" to be overweight does NOT help me in any way, so I'm so glad you guys are talking about this issue and are spreading awareness about the food industries❤
Every body is different. You do you. I’ll stay in my lane.
No one is evil for being fat. Is that really such a difficult concept to understand?
When I see a "health" article that has "Sponsored" listed anywhere, my BS meter starts going off like a smoke alarm.
Same! To include any advertised products on social media. No thanks!
So at completely random intervals and seemingly coming from inside the walls?
This channel does not permit any health-oriented ads. Only unrelated products such as clothing or mailing services
I don't have a problem with the way way Dr Mike does this at all, given the amount of time and money it takes to create his content. But I can see why some people don't like it.
Just don't think there's a conflict of interest here
When I see any health food article or video, mine goes off. It's been a long time since I have trusted anything the media says about diet. I want to eat healthy, but everything feels like a fad diet these days.
I didn't see any health related add in this video.
What you may have seen was the youtube adds forced into videos outside of the channel's control.
I like what she said about ultraprocessed foods being "pre-digested" so they bypass the normal processing of more natural foods, which would balance out calories spent on it and nutritional absorption - explains it really well!
I learned this with vegetables. They have a lot of fiber, and that slows down digestion quite a bit, which makes the resulting glucose spike smoother overall.
@@zualapips1638 ah! totally makes sense
Thank you dr Mike for giving visibility to Marion Nestle work to a younger audience.
when she dropped "shareholder value movement" that set off a deep dive research and omg. I've been wondering for a while where this mindset of short term profits, infinite growth, and shareholder above all came from and this explains everything and more.
It has infiltrated all industries.
she reminds me so much of my grandma: smart, logical, sweet and funny. i love her!
I'm 73. When I was a kid obesity was very, very rare. When men got old, they'd get a bit of a belly and the women would get a bit plump but obesity like I see today was not common. When I was young we ate three meals a day usually meat and vegetables. We'd have a dessert too, pie, cake and ice cream. We seldom ate fast food and when we did, the portions were small. But also we were very, very active. We were outside and playing a lot. TV was for evenings and no one was glued to a screen.
TV for evenings. That makes so much sense, thank you.
I'm in my 60's and recently had a morbidly obese person in his 20s inform me that "back in the day" people didn't eat fruit and vegetables, and they are what made him fat so he was going on an all meat diet... I didn't even know where to start.
@@j.obrien4990he shall be a very healthy human if he does. He will lose that fat quick!
Doctor Mike, thank you so much for introducing me to the brilliance of Marion Nestle. I ordered two of her audiobooks. Wish we all could have you as our physician because you genuinely care for your patients. Thank you from NYC. 👏🏾✨️🎉🎉🎉
She is absolutely brilliant. Bless her. I admire her perspective on who would benefit. The right questions will lead you to discovery/ truth
87?! This woman is so knowledgeable and amazing. This was such a good interview!
I want to be Marion's friend. She seems like such a chill no bs person and I love it. The world needs more people like her.
As someone who went through my 20s eating whatever I wanted and had no real understanding of calories (thanks public school), your podcast with the other Dr Mike made me realize a lot about caloric intake and go down the rabbit hole. Its insane how many calories are in some foods which don't even really fill you up. I thought I was eating a normal amount, but now that im tracking calories, I can look back and see there were some days I was likely eating in excess of 3500 or more calories. We need schools to start teaching about this if we want any chance to stop the obesity problem
Yeah, developing healthy lifestyle habits in your 20s will pay dividens throughout your entire life.
Eat healthy, exercise regularly and take care of yourself (teeth, medical check ups etc).
Schools are not even serving the healthier options in most cases. The food industry markets to schools in a huge way, because they want kids to become brand loyal at a young age. There is a reason schools give kids the option of chocolate milk and have vending machines.
What kind of public schools are y'all attending? Cause I'm also American and this was like, elementary school science.
@@jacobstevens7046
It is primary school science - but most people stop listening to what they've learned in education.
Not to mention, parents are often negative influences on children - particularly with diet.
I enjoy how direct she is in her speech. Her points are clear and easy to understand.
First time I've heard Marion Nestle. I'm a fan now! She's awesome.
I really like this Lady, she's sweet, intelligent and a personal potential role model; she's one of the few guests of yours i could really understand. She speaks in a simple and relatable way. I wish you could have another video with her.
Is anyone gonna talk about what a kind, intelligent and wise, entertaining and absolutely delightful person she is?
Love her radiance, realness and loving energy. ❤
in my local Stop and Shop, the middle 60% (at least) of the aisles are devoted to junk food. And then there's the bakery section, with 90% of their products that are basically non-nutritive. The most depressive part is that space allocation is buyer driven. At least I get exercise from the walk from the fresh vegetable section to the frozen peas.
My walk is from the fresh vegetable section on one end to the toilet paper on the far end. There are whole isles I know I can skip because they're only junk food.
Love the approach to this podcast and love that corporate responsibility in health is gaining traction.
I remember her from the Supersized documentary. I am recovering from an eating disorder and studying nutrition out of curiosity and passion. She's GREAT. I'll read her blog and books for sure. Thanks dr.Mike ❤
I just want a whole series of Dr Nestle talking and Dr Mike giggling behind ❤
Healthy food costs more!!!!, glad someone knowledgeable finally said what I've known all along
Maybe they do. But worth it to me. And I save money by not buying junk food or sodas.
I have to respectfully disagree. Anytime I want to save money, I stop eating out and buy Whole Foods. There may be a slightly more front end cost, but generally meals are smaller and therefore last longer. The savings and health benefits can’t be overstated.
Eh all my family is broke, most poor ppl don’t buy healthy food Because they think it’s expensive. Do u know how cheap bags of beans, bags of rice, bananas, other veg are? Just excuses
@@Freshprankstv1all,sugar/ carbs. If that’s all you can buy you’ll get real fat real quick.
@@tambarker3862 I started eating that food and I lost a bunch of weight. My favorite is steel-cut oats and cinnamon for breakfast. It's dirt cheap, low calorie, and it keeps you full for six hours.
Things that have helped me lose weight.
I always shop the perimeter of the store first and buy most of my food there.
I follow the mediterranean diet, but i do it on the cheap (sardines, tuna, and mackeral for fish, no expensive meat).
I buy in season or frozen veggies to keep price down and still get good nutrition.
Beans and lentils are very filling and cheap. Canned beans with vegfies and spices make a quick soup with little effort.
Aldi's is a great place for cheese. I eat a LOT of greek salads, and feta cheese and picked veggies, and nuts.
Something that really helps me is that i'm suspicious of anything on the front of processed food. The front is matketing, the back is legally required info, so the back is facts.
I replaced spda with water and tea. I drink black coffee and treat coffee with creme as a dessert.
I watch behavioral science youtube channels instead of diet channels. I didn't lose weight until i stopped linking morality to weight, and instead linked it to habits.
I switched snacks to veggies and nuts.
I cook mostly at home, so when i rarely go out i eat whatever i want, except for what raises my blood sugar too high.
I allow myself sugary treats, but only if i make them from scratch. It takes hours to make them, and it's expensive, so that keeps me from doing it without feeling deprived.
I've gone from 210 to 165 and held that for years. Which is still too much, but i kept it off which is realistic, and i change something to a more healthy habit when i feel like i've developed a good habit enough to be normal for me.
Hell yeahhh, keep it up!
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Congrats ! These are great tips ! Thank you for sharing xo
Michael Pollen’s How To Eat is an amazing resource too
Ozempic helped me and realizing that my genes are way more powerful than your god.
As a 28-year-old who's body is adjusting to processing foods differently this is very helpful. I'm working on cutting back on ultraprocessed foods as my body cannot digest them the same, especially as I approach 30.
Good on you! I wish you good luck on your endeavor 🫶🏻
So many great talking points on this one, it’s hard to pick a favorite. I would like to say: thank you for retaining your integrity and ethics by not using your social media presence to influence your followers into make decisions that could hurt their health. In a world that’s determined to manipulate us for their own profits, your consistent stance on this is very much appreciated!
It’s wild that someone so distinguished and smart and experienced doesn’t have more power in changing the system
That’s just how powerful these food corporations are.
It’s a 2 way street, ppl buy the food because they like it. Everyone knows fruit and veg are healthy for u but give them a choice in a McD cheeseburger and fruit. Which will most ppl choose? Evil corporations vs ppl who don’t see long term.
@@Freshprankstv1 That and the billions in corn subsidies.
I love this guest! Dr. Mike thank you for not turning into a supplement salesperson like so many others on RUclips. ❤
Excellent video. One of your best. You can hear the passion Marion Nestle has for this. Thank you for bringing her to my attention. Time to add her books to my list.
One of the biggest reasons why the US has such a health problem is the lack of oversight on food processing and sales. And the politicians refuse to do anything about it because the corporations give them money to shut down any legislation that would tighten regulations.
And now it will be worse because everything is increasing in price, leaving the cheapest options as the only viable ones.
No. Not at all. You miss the entire point of what's happening, dude
Really wrong headed, it isn't the food industry's fault, the truth is that humans crave carbs. Every diet that I have failed on, I couldn't stop eating high carb junk food after eating just one donut. Two years of losing weight ruined by one donut. Our brains need sugar! The food industry simply sell what people buy. The new drugs are incredible, they break the cravings. I walk by my favorite junk foods, without even noticing them, while on an Ozempic class drug. A major additional benefit is that I don't think about food all day, the way I have done both on diets and off. I have to have an alarm on my phone to remind myself to eat something because I forget.
@@Foolish188 Look at the sugar amounts in American food to Canadian food.
the result of unregulated capitalism glad I live in the EU
Some ideas for better nutrition:
Allowing more time for lunch breaks.
Having a class in school on how to cook.
Teaching kids how to grow their own food.
Taking out the vending machines in schools.
Having community gardens in schools with a chicken coop (free eggs).
Working with local farmers to teach and provide fresh food to schools.
Plant fruit trees in parks.
A local cafeteria for police officers & construction workers, etc. to have a place to eat and free food.
There was a business that had a cafeteria that fed their workers for free & the food was delicious & nutritious.
Welcome to the EU and most of Asia we've been mandating those thing since 2006 -2012 depending on the country. The USA is just behind probably, from lobbyists or just blaming people so no accountability is required America with low standards.
Every state is different here ,some states, area ,business ,schools have them others dont . Some people are more progressive others states or stuck . My mother tells me all the time U.S.A compared to other countries might as well be a 3rd world country. I guess we rely on the government to solve our problems while the government is solving other countries problems. It's not a joint effort . There are some positive sides to the U.S . It's not all bad here😁
@@adamcolclasure4892don't forget the US constantly cuts/threatens to cut public education programs
Or putting something in the vending machines besides chips and honeybuns - like fruit.
... when I went to highschool, 2009-2012, we had health class in both middle school and high school. It was all about cooking stuff...
What's funny though, is often times we'd bake cakes or cookies. Nothing actually healthy lol
Social worker chiming in here. While I think it's an interesting idea that putting restrictions on what people can purchase through EBT can reduce consumption of UPFs, if we don't first address the issue of food deserts and food insecurity, this is not going to be effective and just ensures more people will go hungry. It's all systemic. Self-determination is also critical for human thriving, and if we're restricting what people can use their social funding for, it threatens that. We need to lend focus to empowerment and knowledge, and this has to take place at foundational levels, i.e.: teaching schoolchildren how to grow and care for their food and how to cook it.
@kylee5560 Every time I have heard politicians talk about limiting what can be purchased on SNAP it is because they think certain items are too good for poor people to be able to eat. Shellfish comes to mind. Even though it used to be the food of the poor, because people now associate lobster with the wealthy, politicians, especially on the right, don't think that people on assistance should be able to eat it.
Ironically, you’re operating on the assumption that people receiving these services are too stupid to know what’s healthy and what’s not, generally speaking. Empowerment and knowledge will do very little to help. What we need is the government subsidizing actually healthy foods. Money is the king incentivizer. If they make healthy foods cheaper, it’ll go a long way overall.
If the government restricts what SNAP can be spent on, stores that depend on that money will adapt.
And how in working class areas the number of fast food joints is uncanning!! I dare people to drive through a low middle to working class area and count the number of fast food restaurants.
Thank you. I lived in an area where I can get any type of fast food or convenience stores that I want, but getting to a grocery store involved multiple bus lines or a 5 mile bike ride each way. So much of this conversation assumes people have options that they just don't have at a practical level.
Isn't it funny how so many things that are wrong with this world can be traced back to shareholder greed.
& Ronald Reagan's administration.
And greed of the individual. No one that gets paid a salary ever asks for less, give most ppl a choice between a cheeseburger and a banana which will they choose? Evil corp vs greedy ppl
Marion Nestle inspires me EVERY TIME. What a legend!
I have never heard of Marion so I am so thankful for this video. Time to deep dive into her books.
I 1000% agree about ingredient labels. As someone with a multitude of food allergies, the ingredients are important to me. While I lean more to fresh, whole food to cook with, condiments and seasonings play a big part in variety. Even the condiments, etc are hard to find without rice, soy, wheat, etc included.
Yup, I have to make my own mayo because I have a soy allergy. 😢
I didn't know that was even a thing. Here in germany the ingredients are very clear to read, most often printed black on white, or on yellow or something like that.
That should really be more regulated in the US
@@SmurfieDurfie sometimes they don't even put soy in the allergy list so you have to look through the entire list.
they call it something else. Soy can be called, natural flavoring or artificial flavoring instead of actual soy.
@@thespector2685 Wow that's horrible, especially when it's so hard to read the ingredients
@@SmurfieDurfie yeah, I don't bother going down the middle isles of the store anymore. Fruits veggies and meat.
If I need seasoning or sauce I research how to make it at home from scratch.
It takes a long time so I end up spending my days off cooking all day but it's safer that way. :/
The problem with the snap restrictions is there are many many recipients who are homeless, or dont have their own money to buy the extra things. Also as high as food prices have been, it would only make things more difficult
"I get to do it several times a day, it's great"...with the cheeky side glance...I love her. Holy smokes! I'm only 13 minutes into the interview and I've learned/realized more than I ever have. Thanks Dr. Mike! and thank you Ms. Nestle.
There talks wisdom, what a lovely lady. Thank you for having her! ❤
The food industry took the playbook from the cigarette companies. To ensure longevity, get the kids.
A lot of the old tobacco companies ARE the food industry.
@@freden9234 hah... Yikes...
Kraft, Nabisco and General Foods were all bought out by tobacco companies.
This podcast is the best thing on RUclips right now
As someone who has struggled with weight issues all my life, I will confidently assert that stating that being overweight and obese is bad for your health is not fat shaming. It’s stating facts. I always knew that being overweight was bad for my health. There is no point kidding yourself that being fat is healthy, it’s not. I feel so much better having lost a significant amount of weight.
It seems it’s not just shareholders and execs being greedy. What type of parent of a child a. allows them to be an influencer b. allows them to promote unhealthy food to other children? A greedy parent. Shameful
Overall the corruption and bribery of the government by lobby groups is appalling. It needs to stop!
It is when it's unsolicited advice.
so while i agree with you fully about shareholders and advertising as well as front of the lablel laws being needed BUT as someone who has been obese all their life i can say the opposite i have NO obesity driven conditions or problems. in fact i am measurably stronger then many men , at the gym i can lift push and pull much more then them even maxing out the leg rowing machine (460lb) at one time during a fun competition between me and a guy i meet there. im just fat. so f off with your self hate projection onto others.
Being overweight isn't healthy, but the problem is that being skinny doesn't equal good health. There's a lot of people who starve themselves because they see themselves as fat. Yet these people can be skin and bones, which is far more dangerous to health. People can be influenced by media, Hollywood, video games, etc, that only skinny is healthy or attractive. When, in fact, skinny in and of itself isn't always healthy. I'm skinny, I like junk food, soda, candy, etc. If I were to consume only that, I wouldn't, in fact, be healthier. Being overweight doesn't mean a person sits and eats junk food all day. Many overweight people exercise and eat good diets. Weight is only one factor of healthy living, not the only factor.
My mom and dad did not have any special education and have not been to any fancy schools. They were born and grew up in the Soviet Union. What they taught me as a child was not to eat highly processed foods and not to consume sugary drinks. It seemed common sense to everyone where I grew up. Now we are listening to nutritional scientist tell us this. Weird times we live in!
The Soviets advocated a highly processed diet though. Stalin actually sent people to the United States to study processed foods. Also the farming was highly industrialized.
@@tastegeorgia674 I think Farming thing was due to major Famines in Ukraine and Russia.
@@sibtainhaider2411 no collectivized farming and sending people with no agricultural experience caused the famine, not farmers.
@@tastegeorgia674 most of the famines were government issued, that way or another, and intentional. The USSR was horrible. Nutritional information was better than in the US, though.
You know a lot of podcast guests, especially when it comes to health, have the amazing ability to say as little as possible in as much verbiage as they can. Marion Nestle is the exact opposite.
You can really tell the difference between someone proclaiming themselves to be a foremost expert _trying_ to sound educated referencing studies that only support their (usually common) bias and making conclusions not fully supported by those studies, and someone who is actually in the field conducting research who is able to tell you about aspects of their field you didn't even know you didn't know about.
Some commenters seem to not realize that many people live in "food deserts".
Where junk food is readily available and cheap. But fresh fruits and vegs are not nearby and not as cheap.
The "nearby" is important. People in the lower incomes have to take mass transit or just walk, which realy limits what is practical. And then to earn that lower income they have to "commute" for hours each way between two or more jobs which barely leaves enough time to sleep, much less to cook healthy.
Dollar stores sell canned and frozen vegetables. They also sell canned beans/lentils.
Get some pots find an area in your apartment with lots of light and grow some food.
@@thespector2685 That's great if you have the time, money, and space. Oh and if your plants produce enough. I have a yearly veggie garden and this year has just sucked. Thank God I'm not depending on it for anything. I went to college in a high crime food desert. You couldn't leave anything unattended outside or it would be stolen. People were just trying to survive, let alone grow their own food....
@@batkat0 I don't understand why you would want to live there then?
Wouldn't it be better to just leave a place that is that bad?
No food and high crime sounds like hell
@@thespector2685Nobody WANTS to live in a high-crime food desert area. That may be where they grew up, and social, financial, and other factors can make it almost impossible to be able to leave.
This is so interesting because the food industry has no pull in my
Household. We don’t watch standard TV, so I haven’t seen a food commercial in years. My son and I eat home cooked meals more often than not and so real foods live rent free in our house. We eat when we are hungry and stop eating when not. We don’t drink our calories and treat juices and sodas like a snack. When you’ve had real whole foods you can taste the processing of processed foods and it tastes pretty gross.
one of the biggest points in this podcast was that the food industry controls politics, they control food prices and what is offered where. that influence is huge and goes beyond TV. even jobs and the environment are impacted by the food industry. please listen to the podcast again ..
I just like this woman. She is very informed, and knowledgeable. Her views are so enlightening. Above that I like thay she is a little cheeky and funny😊
She's brilliant. So wise, bright and passionate in the way she talks, I absolutely loved It. Thank you for the insightful questions and commentary too, Doc!
When she says “pre-digested” it made me think of Pre-Chewed Charlie’s 😂
bird ahh moment
Kiana Docherty has a really interesting video on Pre-Digested food processing in the industry.
As a SNAP recipient, I don't think people who receive Snap should be told what they can or can not buy. I do however think that healthier food options shouldn't be so expensive. Each household only receive a certain amount of SNAP benefits. I know in my situation if I were to only purchase healthy/ wholesome products we would not have enough food to survive until the next month. That is why so many people may purchase food/beverages that are not healthy. Unfearfully, as a person who receives SNAP benefits can't not support my household with the limited income I receive. I do try my hardest to pick the healthier option as much as I cab while also making sure have enough food for the month.
Never feel guilty for doing the best you can in every moment ♥️
I think SNAP covers vegetable seeds, if you have the ability to have a garden, even in a couple pots.
@@julietardos5044Gardening is expensive. You have to spend hundreds that you wouldn't have if your receiving snap to get started.
@@shenetteholman8441 Sorry but you get free food. Your opinion on what food we the taxpayers give you is frankly irrelevant. I actually have to pay for mine and it takes a lot of work. And on top of that y’all never have health insurance so when you eat yourself into diabetes I then have to pay for that too. And the whole thing about not having enough food is nonsense. You just like sugar and ultra processed junk more than real whole foods. Take some responsibility. I already see the “but I’m a single mom” coming so get married ya bum. Stop being a burden on the system…
Double Up food bucks is a SNAP-recipient benefit at farmers markets if you have access to one. It can help you stretch your food budget with fresh fruit and vegetables.
We need to stop subsidizing the corn industry so much and start subsidizing a range of fruits and vegetables
And the meat industry. Horribly cruel factory farms get a $60 BILLION dollar government handout to keep the price of meat down.
If it weren’t for this subsidy, meat alternatives would be much more widely chosen over beef, pork and chicken.
@@mennovanens6116 I would argue that we need to change the type of industries we subsidize in the meat industry. We need to shift the focus from corporate farms to smaller family farms, who are more likely to use more humane practices and are also likely to have less instances of diseased animals, since they don’t crowd animals like the corporate farms do. If we do that, not only will the meat products offered in the grocery store be more diverse, it will also be healthier and more ethically sourced than it is currently.
Thank you for having Marion on your show. I loved this conversation between you two! 💛
The best part of this interview is near the end, the absolute passion that she talks about food with.
Taking money out of politics would be a great service to humanity overall.
I cannot believe she's 87... What is she eating?? She looks incredible and is so lucid
Non processed food ahha
She’s most likely following the quote she shared “eat enough, not too much, mostly plants.” I feel like that about covers it.
If someone asked me why I eat what I eat, my first answer is cost. I eat what I can afford. When a burger is $1 and a salad is $5, it's what I buy. Fresh produce, fruits, proteins are expensive but a can of soup for one serving is $1... Well then Chunky Soup it is.
I've seen people thriving on just cheap hamburger patties. It ends up being cheaper and more nutritious to just eat the cheapest meat, and leave out the processed foods and plants.
Chicken and pork are very affordable, especially if you buy a whole chicken or a pork roast.
Right, that's my first thought too.
beans are not expensive, rice is not expensive, A LOT of vegetables are not expensive
I can literally buy 1kg of carrots for 1.10€
produce is dirt cheap at my grocery store and soup is expensive. gotta learn to cook.
Wow, this is a great episode. Every time I've travelled outside the U.S., especially to Europe I've lost weight without really trying. I wondered why and just wrote it off to maybe walking more than I do at home, but this is making me think that the food we eat has something to do with it, too. In Europe, the portion sizes are smaller, and the food actually tastes better and I find that I feel satisfied with less.
I had a subject in school all about cooking, and learning to understand recipes and how to put together a meal. It was 1,5 hours a week for a year or two, can't remember. I think i was about 13 years old.
It is an amazing way of helping a whole nation, to at least have the knowledge of it, so they don't have to teach them self.
Finally moved to a place that I can get regular exercise and cook homemade meals. It really is awesome
That’s great
not in the US, huh (if so, where??)
@@natkm7823 I am in the US just moved away from bad people
I can’t wait for this opportunity.
When I was a nutrition student in 2003 , the 1st book I bought was food politics written by Marion .
Great book , non conspiratorial and got to the issues . Just like healthcare, we know policies must change but I fear our politicians and the people are more reactive than proactive in approach
Politicians don’t make decisions that will benefit their voters their decisions are based on the big donors who line their pockets with cash
something that's really important to understand is that people can be simultaneously obese and malnourished at once
Yeah, just like someone can be slim and malnourished. Proper nutrients doesn't equate to weight.
being malnourished also often makes you more hungry, as your body is desperate for nutrition. Then you eat more junk and just get more hungry in the end.
Another way food stores get you to see more products and therefore buy more is rearranging the store every couple of years. If you have to search for a product that you used to find easily, you are going down more aisles. It's a ploy they taught us in marketing classes in college when I was studying accounting
RUclips has a wide range of content but man is this a video I’m glad I saw today. Amazing conversation. I won’t be cutting 500 calories without comparing my weight and diet but it’s nice to better know how quickly the excess calories can turn into pounds. I heard “a pound a week” and realized I need to switch my snacks up. Adding more fruits and veggies. Also thanks for clarifying the FOOD TRIANGLE. Dimensions and nuance get lost on many 😂
Thank you for having her on, corporate malfeasance is EXTREMELY under-discussed in conversations about diet. I have some disagreements about specific topics, like the frankly bonkers amount of research on the benign impact of various artificial/non-caloric sweeteners and the ethics of meat consumption, but the overall point stands: profit seekers will seek profit by any legal means, ethics be damned
Thank you Doctor Mike for bringing Marion nestle to the podcast.She is so inspirational,87 and still bringing wisdom to the world!
Every time my niece watches your videos, she likes you and says, “That's your friend.” Doctor Mike❤❤☺️
Dr. Mike needs to do nutrition for babies. FTM i am in shock at how much sugar and foods without nutrition are geared toward babies. We read every label. The amount of sugar in baby yogurt with very little protein. So sad!!
This! It’s disgusting that they put corn syrup in formula in the US!
In New Zealand a midwife told me I can but pretty much any formula and it’s good because they are so
Strict about what can go in formula over there.
Doctor Mike is a talented interviewer. The probes and prompts are relevant and thorough without being confrontational or accusatory. He has a polite and warm manner. The interviewees vary in political viewpoint and industry background without derailing the focus of Dr Mike's channel, which is on making health education and related politics accessible and engaging. I would be fascinated to hear about how he adjusts his interview style according to the situation (e.g., long-form podcast vs. curbside consult) and interviewee (e.g., expert opinion vs. layperson).
Agree!!!
I love the nutritional topics!! Keep up the good work Mike
the produce section never lied to me 😂 it's way cheaper, too.
Heard of APEEL????
What are some of your go-to things to buy and eat?
depends on where you live though.
@@pervasivedoubt150 my local grocery store sells these huge salmon fillets. I like to get a big one for 25 bucks. descale it, portion it, and freeze what you don't cook right away. it comes out to about two - three bucks per portion. that goes on a bed of garlic, shallots with jalapeños, tomato, green pepper, whatever I feel like. side of potatoes or green beans, asparagus or something like that. I really love cooking so it's fun for me but anyone can learn with a little practice.
@@TheShizzlemop that's true. I grew up in a tiny town where the produce was usually moldy.
"You cannot survive on one food."
Irish: 🥔
🥔 famine. So gotta diversify.
Well, it was called famine for a reason...
Potatoes are GREAT! High in Vitamin C! Some fiber! And... a complete essential amino acid profile! I can see how losing such a crop could devastate a population.
You have to have her on after her new book comes out! Talking about cereals, hell yes, that is a podcast right there, you could get some homies bring their favorites and give opinions on why it is their favorite, and if it is actually healthy. This woman is a gem, I love her!
As an aspiring health psychologist I absolutely loved this interview. Food companies campaign their products and then it's up to us to come up with public health incentives to mitigate that and encourage healthier habits in the wider population. I've never really thought to look at the relationship between food and politics, but it is something that I will keep in mind for my studies. Thank you so much for this interview, Dr Nestle's and your perspective have been thought-provoking.
I left a very lucrative, but miserable job in a municipal court to go back to working at a school cafeteria. There we cared about every aspect of what we served. It was my favorite job in 37 years of work. My kitchen at home is my domain and my happy place, to serve others with love through food.
A public school? Because even when I was a kid they weren't cooking much of anything so much as reheating frozen stuff
Nestle: “Ultra-processed foods are foods you cannot make in your home kitchen”
*Nara Smith has entered the chat*
And Claire Saffitz 😂
😂😂😂😂
her food is for the most part pretty healthy
@@NuggetBSit is but she makes cheez it’s and goldfish at home! Haha
Wake up people! Doctor Mike is back with another banger
I recently read Salt Sugar Fat: How the Food Giants Hooked Us by Michael Moss that really did a good job of going into the history and motivations behind these food companies and how they not only hook you, but they focus their sales on certain groups of people.
I read somewhere that warmer colors stimulate appetite and hunger. You'll notice that a lot of fast food chains have brighter colors. Mcdonalds - red and yellow; Popeyes - Orange; Wendy's - red. Pretty sure it's intentional 🤔
What a name to be against food propaganda 😂❤
Ironic
Love seeing these educational conversations! I personally think that nutrition and basic food science should be taught in high school in a more nuanced and in-depth way in order to help future generations. I appreciate both of your expertise on this subject. We also need to emphasize that the dose makes the poison in so many contexts. Keep up the good work, Dr. Mike!
I looooooove the way she talks. So sweet and passionate!
I love her!! Not only does she have a lot of important knowledge & things to say but she’s witty, passionate & engaging. I went back in January for my masters in mental health counseling & we have to take some public health classes. I tend to write my papers on this type of stuff as I know a lot about it, am equal parts fascinated & disgusted by anything new I learn while doing research.
My one food as a health-conscious person: Vegetable chili, it has beans of whatever variety, onions, peppers, tomatoes, garlic. You get a good variety in one dish 😋