Fiorenzato All-Ground In Depth
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2022
- Review & Teardown of a Fiorenzato AllGround #CoffeeGrinder (also sold by #SanRemo). First, I consider its performance as a multitasker, its ease of use, and flavor characteristics in espresso, Moka pot, and pour-over. I compare it to the Eureka SingleDose and the Niche Zero. Then I perform a teardown and evaluate the component quality, manufacturing tolerances, and mechanical design. I wrap up with a few minor irritations, and final thoughts on value for money.
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I just want to say that you do the absolute best thorough evaluations of Espresso/coffee equipment
Thanks. One does one's best :)
@@wiredgourmet I have a question you may be familiar with..I have the Baratza Vario W (the older version before they made the W+) and it just will not grind light roast or really fresh beans..It binds up or the adjustment levers that you use to set your grind will jump around and throw the grind way off from where I set it initially..Any ideas ?
Welcome back!
Thanks! It's good to be back :) And always a pleasure to see you here. I'll be in touch pretty soon, btw :)
Hope you do a review on this grinder Lance!
Amazing as always! You have the best coffee content from a technical perspective and I always learn a heap
Excellent and informative as usual. Really attracted by this machine (manifactured a few minutes from here, btw, but alas, a lot of famous grinder brands are around here).
yesssssss!!! been waiting for this review! mines coming in tomorrow!
@Antonio Azumendi I have issues with the touch screen at the moment. I have contacted the company and am in the process in getting it fixed. Other than that I really like everything about it. Love the ability to check the burrs almost instantly with no tools. The dial in is pretty intuitive. I thought I would use it for different brews but I realized I used it mainly for espresso. I have a 1zpresso Kmax hand grinder for pour overs now so the all purpose grinder is nice option but I don’t use it too often. Recently it did come in handy because I made a bunch of cold brew and was able to grind a lot of beans coarsely and into a catch bin witch holds like something like 80grams.
When I’m dialing in a shot the micro steps have been more than adequate to fine tune. Even though it’s not stepless.
I’m not sure what happened to my touch screen. It’s really sensitive and clear to see but when I click the double shot it will go for a second or two and then stop. I reset my grinder and then it works fine. As long as I keep the grinder off and turn it on it works but if I keep it on for days it will glitch.
I also like the fluffy grinds, doesn’t clump much and the sound is pretty low.
The big thing is how it comes basically perfectly aligned from factory. This seems to be a big issue for a lot grinders
I like the burrs as well, 64 red speed. I have produced some great light/medium espressos with my ECM classica with flow control.
I didn’t like the Eureka dial in knobs. I don’t think they are the most intuitive but now I think about. I don’t really adjust too much every time I change my bean. And since each bean is like a couple clicks away to dial the knob from eureka shouldn’t really be an issue. Only and issue if you go back and forth from pour over to espresso.
Another excellent grinder review!
Always informative and thorough. Nothing to add. For me using mainly pour over coffee I’d go with the Niche. Love and peace. Tim
Do you know, of all coffee hardware reviews yours are simply the best. And by "the best" I mean *the best*.
Thank you.
I'm making a shopping list and your reviews are providing significant guidance in a way no others do.
Excellent video fun, informative and superbly done, greatly looking forward to your upcoming video reviews. Also cool background music, a very nice touch
Much appreciated!
@@wiredgourmet Your welcome sir
Love your vids man.☕
Excellent video, thanks.
great review!
Really love your thorough reviews. A grinder I’d be very interested to see a similar level of detail about is the mahlkonig x54…it’s just oddly intriguing to me, and most reviews don’t seem to go in depth with comparisons.
Finally you are back! 🙏🏻
Also.. I don’t know whether you are still rocking the robot on a regular, but I would love to see a follow up video if you feel like it (i.e. it’s amazing how you can „save“ shots by adapting the pressure profile/prefinfusion if your grind-setting is not spot on).. have a good Weekend 😄
I am still using the Bot, and I will have some more content about it as soon as I get the semi-auto machine, so early winter.
@@wiredgourmet definitely looking forward to it.. it is just so much fun to use and did I mention the shot quality? :O
Very interesting review. Thanks for sharing.
Keep in mind though that +3db means noise x2
I didn't quite make out the specific part but the microcontroller they used is an stm32h7-something. These have arm m7 cores that can do about 500 MHz, have hardware fp, hardware multiply, etc.
In short, it's an insane amount of overkill to run a touchscreen and turn a motor on and off. But I guess there's room to grow with fw updates. :-)
Finally a use for our pinky finger … the AllGround grinder touchscreen. 😉
Hello Thomas, thank you for this in depth/tear down video - I watched it for the first time yesterday and was so impressed I pressed the order button - the artic white and wood is due to arrive in about 5-6 working days.
I have a couple of questions which I hope I didn't miss any info you gave in the video:
Did you remove the burrs from their mounts on your deep clean? (not shown in the video).
I usually do with my specialita (which this all round grinder will replace) as there is always a fair amount of coffee under each burr on the specialita, even with the screws evenly turned down.
However, what would you advise for maintenance on the All Ground - leave its burrs mounted on their respective rings during a deep clean, or remove one or both of the burrs to clean underneath them?
Thank you again - your videos are greatly appreciated.
Awesome. Now I can try and decide between this, the niche and the Oro. :')
@@antonioazumendi9054 haha I ended up with the niche!
What an awesome review, you can't imagine how many times I've come back to this video to find answers while using this grinder.
Wondering if you've tried switching burrs particularly with SSP burrs? I don't see any way to re-calibrate the grind settings and a bit worried that it won't work
I just get convinced for Eureka ORO STARK or Eureka Atom 75, but after this video I have much difficulty to select for my espresso only mania.
I understand that you have the vario with steel burrs. I want to ask how do those compare to your specialita with brew burrs? Do you think both (or any) of them are capable to go fine enough for espresso?
Fantastic review. There isn’t much content about this grinder yet. Would love to see a head to head with the Atom 75 if Eureka will send you another model!
Good idea. I will talk to Eureka about that :)
@@wiredgourmet If you have to choose between a Eureka Atom 75 and this one, which one would you go for? I am still deciding lol... Great video BTW. Love your reviews :)
Another excellent and thorough review Thomas, thank you! Could 64 mm SSP burrs could be accommodated in the grind chamber or would they be too thick?
You're smart to ask about that. Not just overall height might be wrong, but the lip on the reverse side usually sits in a groove in the carrier. The width and relative height of the lip is variable, and a poor fit might mean axial mis-alignment. They're not necessarily interchangeable just because the screw holes line up! I would buy only if SSP says they'll fit correctly in that grinder.
Quick question - on your machine was 12 seconds the max you can set the single/double espresso dose to ?
Were you able to use the grinder as normal after removing lower burr carrier without any specific calibration? I've removed the carrier on mine which caused in a inability to grind fine enough for espresso. The grinds are too coarse, even though the collar is set to the lowest possible setting.
Which grinder would you recommend for both espresso and Turkish coffee? Can this one do it?
If I have a 110V AG machine, and accidentally connect it to 220V causing smoke to come out briefly, is there any chance that I can repair the circuit part mentioned at 20:33 myself? Currently, it still works when connected to 110V.thanks.
What is the dead capacity form Fiorenzato AllGround compared to Niche vs Eureka Oro SD?
Great machine that I use exclusively for pour over/drip! Best I've ever had! Cold press NOT so hot as you claim. Thanks for the video though.
Are able to connect those external variable speed adjustable controllers?
This looks like a great machine but a touch screen would make it a no go for me. I prefer traditional switches. Too much to go wrong.
Great to see this. Word against DF64?
Hello, I am trying to decide between this one and the more commercial one the F64E. It's for home use so maybe the F64E would be an overkill. The only negative about this grinder is the possibility of a broken screen that would stop me from operating the grinder.
Does the F64E have the same possible issue?
How does it compare to the baratza sette 270wi?
Can you advise on what the filter (for that matter moka as well) workflow is? It looks like you have to press to ground and stop on the screen. If so, how do you measure the dose?
Brew range is toggle on and off by touch. I just weigh the dose. Moka is hold to run, release to stop, but the funnel is best filled by volume not weight, so that's OK. And espr is timed.
How did you manage to remove the lower carrier?
Will the 54mm portafilter be used with this grinder?
Does this work for light roast espresso? Thank you
Hi, what a great review! The Abo is well deserved ;-) Can you please try whether this machine is compatible with SSP (multipurpose) burrs? Thx in advance!!
There are a lot of factors and this model can't be calibrated. Overall height / thickness might be wrong. The lip on the reverse side usually sits in a groove in the carrier; the width and relative height of the lip is variable, and a poor fit might mean axial mis-alignment. Burrs are not necessarily interchangeable just because the screw holes line up. I would buy only if SSP says they'll fit correctly in that grinder.
@@wiredgourmet thank you for your expertise!! I like the mechanics of this grinder! But for me it's a missed opportunity (and no go) when it's not possible to pair it with different burrs...
Please help me..
Fiorenzato all ground vs eureka atom and zenith? Boutique coffee shop..
I heard a 58mm rhino metal cup works well as a dosing cup
Hey man, have you been still using this long term? Really interested in picking up the new sense, looks to be the same thing in a GBW configuration
I think the Baratza Forte would make a good point of comparison.
Can this do French press or cold brew?
Unfortunately, the manufacturer doesn't seem to offer the black with walnut combo. Is the control unit held primarily by the two phillips screws under the cover dots, the two bottom tabs, and the three JTAG connectors?
And one small Philips on the board. That's all there is to it. Were you thinking to buy the one you prefer as a spare part?
It’s crazy how they don’t offer the black/walnut combo. Such a shame lol.
Awesome breakdown. Is the coarsest setting viable for French press?
Worked fine for me.
@@wiredgourmet Great! Thank you for replying. I'll be ordering one, any affiliated link to help out your channel?
Did you still have to purge between grind size changes or in the morning even with the low retention?
You need to run or pulse it going finer, but I wouldn't worry much going coarser. It holds onto very little coffee.
Having to pulse to go finer is a deal breaker for me. Never did that on my Breville SGP, from which I’m looking to upgrade. Any hopper-based all-rounders out there allowing to switch between grind sizes without running the motor/wasting coffee?
How would it be an all rounder if it can't single dose. Means I can't switch from beans to beans!
Hey Thomas, any plans to test any of the DF64 variants?
I did reach out to the company via their web page a while back, but no reply so far. Thanks for the reminder, I will try again.
@@wiredgourmet you may want to reach out to one of the resellers - MiiCoffee or Espresso Outlet in the US.
F64 evo pro or all ground? what do you recommend?
Evo for a lunch counter or micro-cafe if you're making espresso only and, like, 100 shots a day or more. It's big, heavy & looks unbalanced next to a single-group coffee machine. AllGround for home use, no question.
F64 is overkill for home-use, if you grind 50 kg beans every day at home, yeah F64 or even F83 is your choose :)
Please compare it with the df64e
By the way. You doing great stuff. Keep going
Very Strange. The touchscreen is working everytime, 100%. And i have big mens hands
For a 1000 dollar grinder that’s bad. Is it a deal breaker I don’t know. Not liking this grinder almost bought it?
it doesn't cost $1K, you pay extra bucks for resellers, I bought one for $550 from direct supplier from Italy excluding VAT and customs tax of course :)
@@bobok760listen to me in USA it retails between 999-1050 and if you want wood more. The grinder is a great grinder and worth the money I don’t give a fk about resellers or anyone else that’s the retail. I also bought one complete 620. But again that’s the retail. And it’s worth it. I can get anything cheaper fking anything.
@@bobok760how?
I drink Turkish coffee. That grinder is a joke.
can single dose
for some beans the coarse settings are not enough to make a standard espresso, Fiorenzato sells additional shims MPN: 900001434/R but they cost tons of money