Top Thrill 2 Analysis | Cedar Point's New for 2024 Triple Launch Roller Coaster
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- A full in depth breakdown on Top Thrill 2 coming to Cedar Point next year! Top Thrill Dragster is being converted from a single hydraulic launch into a triple launch LSM coaster, featuring a massive 420 foot tall spike! Let's discuss the reason behind this change and all of the individual details we learned from yesterdays announcement!
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I think the spike being 420 ft also is two fold, it's a buffer for height so the train never goes higher than the spike and it also gives visual symmetry
It provides visual symmetry when viewed from Millennium Midway, Hotel Breakers, or the beach. But from the front of the park, the spike will look like Burj Khalifa does in Dubai's skyline. Ludicrously, absurdly dominant. That's why I'd been skeptical Cedar Point would build higher than 150-250 feet.
I do agree visuals were probably a big reason for it (with some of that being for buffer height)
Plenty of buffer height, probably stop 75-100' from the top, look at S:Efk exceot this is 1mph faster and has 70-80 more friction points (wheels)
@@joshfreund6008New coasters with spikes get way closer to the top than old ones, (intiman at least). Hopefully this will be the same, 100 or 75 feet would be rediculous.
Also consider if there is a power outage and there is a rollback of the 3rd launch. If the LSMs are powerless to brake then you need the back spike to be as tall as the front one so the train doesn’t overtop it.
I'm going to miss the fear of waiting for the launch and breathtaking acceleration.
Same
Well, better head to Jackson, New Jersey, while you can before Six Flags decides to close Kingda Ka.
@@Aftermath779kingda ka actually doesn’t have that strong punch right away, it picks it up though. Dragster had the true acceleration. Which was the whole point in riding it. You don’t feel anything on the drop
@@Mojo-pl3ojoh no it definitely does
I’m definitely not going to miss it. I never liked that launch.
Top Thrill 2 will be an 100% backseat coaster with that huge spike, imagin how much floater you will get sitting in the rear of the train on the spike.
I mean you’re talking about a 30 foot difference between the front and the back on a 420 foot spike. I think the difference in forces will be insignificant. I would think a ride that goes this fast for this long would be a front row ride like i305 or Millennium Force.
There’s literally gonna be no difference between the front and back on the spike…
Over the top hat, yes. On the spike, no.
Common misconception, between launch 2 and 3 you’ll gain a ton more speed, because you’ll hit zero at the top of the spike, and will lose a ton of speed compared to the 101 launch coming back down. That’s why shuttle coasters often boost you up a spike or pull you up with a chain, to make up for the speed needed coming up. Your point still stands that it isn’t going to be punchy, but it’s not like it’s only going to boost you 19mph faster.
Also it takes a lot more to go over a top hat vs up a spike. Definitely won’t get to the top, but Dragster could probably get the nose of the train close to the top of the top hat if it just went straight up with less speed. I’m sure it’s mostly for visual purposes, but proportionally to a smaller shuttle, it’ll reach a similar height. Just looks exaggerated on something that huge.
Because kinetic energy is (1/2) mv^2, the change in kinetic energy for a given change in speed is greater at higher speeds, and that's what's going to determine how far you can go up the spike or the top hat. That's why you don't go very far up at all on the first launch.
I am excited for this and don't understand all the hate..... you get a good launch, a near hypercoaster height rollback, travel backwards at 100 mph, only to fall at a giga level height all before hitting 120 and riding the ride that already existed..... yes the punchy launch is gone but the trade off isn't bad plus it is getting a refurbished area plus the possibility of being more reliable... a solid win for CP
The punchy launch WAS the reason TTD existed. It's a hallow shell of its former self without it.
Just hoping crowds flock to TT2 instead of Maverick next year. Hoping this has a similar effect as Twisted Timbers did on I-305 wait times.
@@joesmith6972 I think once people start to ride it I think people change their mind
@@MorganFreed15 exactly Dragster is gone family, let us mourn, now get over it & welcome this new baby into the community
People are entitled to their own opinions. I personally think swing launches are overrated and don't get the hype around them. I don't think adding a rollback and longer ride was worth butchering the launch.
@CoasterStudios Thanks for the shoutout in the video. Made my day and glad I could help.
Thanks for doing the math :)
Also, you have to remember that Shoot The Rapids was a huge headache and tragedy for CP too and that was an intamin attraction. I think that ride was also a final nail in the coffin for Intamin and CPs relationship.
Also, it's interesting that Wicked Twister was built to one-up Superman: Ultimate Escape at the former Six Flags Worlds of Adventure. Dragster was then built to one-up Escape from Krypton. Kind of fitting that TT2 incorporates aspects of all of these coasters into a single ride, even if it's less thrilling than Dragster.
I highly doubt it will be less thrilling with the backwards spike
@@AverageMfDoomEnjoyer If you've ridden Escape from Krypton, you know what that spike will feel like. The view might be more impressive from the back, but that's it. Would've preferred a 180-deg twist, but that'd require getting Intamin onboard.
Generally, spikes are either as tall as (ex. TT2) or taller than (ex. All the Intamin ones) the top hat. I don’t know the exact reason but I assume it’s a total-last-resort safety thing; where launching either direction at maximum speed, the train would only have enough speed to go over the top hat, and wouldn’t hit the top of the spike.
Very much looking forward to TT2. I’d love an explanation from CP on why the alternating track colors start at different heights on the towers…
Yup makes a lot of sense, at 120 mph it makes it OVER the crest, it doesn’t stop at it, it’s probably still going at least 10 mph. If it were to rollback at the top hat and the brakes would completely fail for some reason, due to resistance it would just barely not go over the top.
@@timokho20 These brakes are fail-safe. In the event of a power failure, the permanent magnets on the train create eddy currents in the launch fins, slowing the train down. You wouldn't even get through the launch run to the other side.
@@MrHighFlyer500 I know. But it’s still an extra measure, nothing wrong with a double fail safe. If a train were to go over the spike it would be absolutely catastrophic.
I’m glad I got the chance to do the original Top Thrill Dragster because I’m not excited about this project. The punchy launch was the element that made TTD the best one. Now Cedar Point is getting a wimpy version of Red Force.
Let’s see if Zamperla can make this coaster reliable, but I have my doubts.
Naaaaaw bro who is that goofy goober at 11:45 ?
Im pretty sure the biggest reason for the refurb is to reduce operating costs. Top Thrill Dragster was the most expensive ride in the park to operate, even though it doesn't hit the ridership of the park's other coasters.
well it probably didnt hit any ridership milestones because it was down so often :(
@@matheuscastello6554 Exactly! It's much easier to keep an LSM running.
I'd say that Cedar Fair chose Zamperla because they cut ties with Intamin since 2010 with I305 and Shoot The Rapids.
So excited for this!!! I’m getting season passes for next year for sure
You can think of the initial 74 mph launch as a sort of salute to Magnum. It started the coaster wars of the 90s and 00s, and from Cedar Point's perspective, culminates in the "tallest and fastest triple launch strata coaster." But it's going to feel milder than any hill in the park, outside of Camp Snoopy.
Lol ok bud
I like the thinking, but unfortunately magnum is only 72. SV is 74, maybe it’s that
@@jameslitwin5635 Yeah, I know. Hence the "sort of." The animation does show Magnum's lift hill in the background during the rollback, so it's probably intentional. Maybe they went with 74 so the front of the train would be near vertical
It just sucks because we KNOW that LSMs can launch more powerfully than that. Just look at what Intamin did with red force. And the technology has gotten even better since then using super capacitors. That 0 to 74 is over like five seconds. Most Teslas are faster than that.
@@iRunfastXC Yeah, but CP probably wanted to massively reduce Dragster's power requirements. 3 launches will do that, even if it consumes more energy overall. Wish we could have had 2 launches to balance both, but the park went the "giant Wicked Twister" route instead. At least Maverick will still be punchy.
We gonna talk about the kid at 11:45?
I think you’ve nailed the head on all areas pretty much. You said it a couple times, “well just have to wait and see how this plays out.”
I agree. I think its going to be so much more awesome in some ways, and sad in others.
The length is going to be awesome. It’s like 3 SUPERMAN: Escape from Krypton experiences in 1 go. The hang time/visuals will be out-standing. Then of course your gonging to get that amazing crest of the hill and then the full 420 foot rotating plummet. The theming is also awesome, I personally love the new colours. VERY glad the restraints on the new trains are lap focused and not OTS. That would have ruined everything.
The sad part is just like you said. The ripping acceleration and sheer force of that first launch. That’s going to be the hardest thing to get over.
So definitely going to gain some new things that will be way better than the old TTD, but TTD2 will never have the aggressiveness. That part is going to suck.
The sad part
Who is that hooligan at 11:45
I actually agree with every single point… Every one. People complaining about this and that… But we get to keep it!! No, it will not be the same… It can’t be, there’s no way after what happened. There’s no way after the reliability issues in the past it has had. Just enjoy it!!! I can’t wait to go up that spike… I can’t wait to go backwards 100 mph! It’ll be good for the park. I also hope it goes well for Zamperla. There is only positive things that come from ANOTHER heavy hitter in the coaster world!!
When the original is no longer in operation it doesn't matter what replaces it. It is still a loss!
are we just gonna ignore the guy at 11:43 😂
I am surprised that no-one has mentioned that this will be the fastest LSM launch.
Because at 74 MPH it isn’t a major improvement. Showes how their LSM technology isn’t up to par. Huge downgrade from 120mph to 74mph. We alllll know intamin could have given us a more powerful launch.
@@theruleoffire120 mph
@@theruleoffirethat’s literally not true intamin uses the same lsm company as everyone else
@@Daniel_Coastersafter 3 launches tho
@@michaelfritz9501 Ik but it’s still the fastest
Not to mention but the height requirement for this will also come down to 48 inches, which means much MORE people will be in line for this ride but in turn can bring in a new audience
that makes TOTAL sense. 52 for steel vengeance but 48 for the two tallest rides in the park??
11:45 SMACK 🤣
I understand how dumb this take is but switch tracks really scare me for some reason. I'm haunted by visions of the track not switching fully haha xD
Intamin may not have wanted to do the project, they may have proposed an entirely new ride. S&S probably could have added a compressed air launch and it would be as good of a launch but no spike and less reliability. Zamperla probably gave Cedar Fair a nice discount in an attempt to really get their roller coaster division off the ground. It’s risky but if successful they could be a major player but if it flops they will continue to be known only for kiddie/family attractions (not horrible since family coasters seem to be the greatest demand right now)
I’m actually surprised they didn’t do S&S
I don;t think it is too much of a risk to do an LSM, It's a pretty fair bet it will be generally successful.
That's a great point about Intamin. Going with Zamperla for this has baffled me. The train design even looks like it's trying to copy the new Intamin design and, as of late, Intamin's new LSM launch coasters are incredibly reliable. Zamperla has yet to have even one successful large scale coaster hit the market where Intamin has Velocicoaster, Pantheon (track switches), and even Hagrid's; which I know got off to a rough start but have you seen how many trains are on that course at a time with multiple track switches. The thought never crossed my mind that Intamin just turned it down for one reason or another, so Zamperla was able to swoop in as the lowest bidder. The train is even just a prototype with no track record at all. Prototypes never work from the start and from there it's a 50/50 shot as to whether or not the park and manufacturer can solve the issues.
I also don't want to come off as a naysayer. I don't think this is going to work, but I really really hope I'm wrong.
Intamin has its own LSM. But it's not good enough. Zamperla, S&S and much others uses use LIM and LSM by a german company which does nothing but LIM/LSM for coasters since years - worldwide. They can do acceleration as high as you want - but not the human body. There are limits.
I’m wandering if it will come with a led light package like hangtime at Knots
I've always been a fan of Wicked Twister, it's been the first ride of the day for a long time. This is a pretty sweet replacement.
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I never got to ride the original Top Thrill, so I'm looking forward to this update.
The red and white banding is for aviation purposes. It also has a blinking light to warn pilots.
Realize this folks: TT2 will have both the 2nd tallest drop and 3rd tallest drop in the world on it simultaneously. That's pretty cool.
(Yes, I know Superman exists, but TT2's drops are both going to be forward-facing and the front row is probably going to still be 360ft+ up).
I like the name change. I believe CP purposely dropped “Dragster” to separate from the old ride for rebranding. Most of us referred to the old ride as just “Dragster,” which you also do in the video. And we may still even when the new ride opens. Top Thrill 2 still honors the old ride while making a distinction. I think this is a better choice than using a brand new name. Just my opinion.
Remember, they used 120 MPH to CLEAR that Top Hat to go over it. But a spike is not a top hat, it’s straight track that doesn’t go anywhere, if it uses 120 that is way too much power. But still looking forward to this in 2024, great video!
11:45 bro missed
As El Toro Ryan pointed out in his video, the capacity should be about the same if not better with Top Thrill 2. From the timing in the animation they can send a train every 60 second (especially if they use that waiting area right before the track switch) which would be 1200 pph vs 1080 like og dragster. Most likely the 840-1000 pph is more realistic, still that is way better than TTD assuming less downtime.
That makes sense. TTD may have had six trains, but you can't have six of them working on a :17 ride. They can't even put one on the launch area until the one before it crests the top hat.
I think they should have launched backwards first down a small dip that gives airtime and go up a 216 foot spiral, fall back down and do a launching airtime hill that sends it over the top hat so that both accelerations are good accelerations.
I'm just glad I got to experience the original Top Thrill Dragster and it will always be tops. RIP. I will never except Kinda Ka or Top Thrill 2 as competitors.
I really wish there were a way to make hydraulic launch coasters more reliable. They have the best anticipatory launches.
"CP Racing" would be uh... quite the name if it wasn't associated with Cedar Point
Never got to experience Dragster but have been on Ka a boatload of times, looking forward to ridding this reimagining next year at some point! I have a feeling Ka is absolutely next and will be SFGA’s big 2025 project unless the CEO doesn’t want to penny up that is..
The CEO doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.
They definitely need that spike that tall! Safety first! If safety is worth doing, its worth over doing, no matter how sound they technology is!
I also wish the launch track had a long bunny hill on it like other launches, would be fun doing that backwards!
Wtf does a 420 ft spike have to do with safety? Nothing
@@DustyKneezzthey’re saying so they are 100% certain that the train won’t go pass the spike if they launch it too fast
@@DustyKneezz You dont want a train going that fast to have only the amount of track it needs, you want it to have extra for the 1 in a million chance is goes higher than you expect for whatever reason.
@@DustyKneezzeverything
Do you think the actual acceleration numbers would increase? Maybe they can modify the first acceleration to 105mph, have the 2nd launch get you to 113mph, which would bring you about 375-390ft up the spike, and then the final acceleration to 120 to get you over the top hat. That way you'll be able to still experience that dragster launch and still maintain the ride. It would add about an extra 12-13 seconds to the ride, which is not a big deal. I still don't see why they can't run 4 trains. Have one running, one loaded ahead of the station, one loading in the station, and one in the unloading station.
Kingda ka runs 2-3 trains and that line moves well granted that great adventure has shorter lines
Part of me wishes they would've left the Top Hat as all white track and just have the spike with the alternating red/white. Either way I'm excited to get back on this thing!
According to racing enthusiast buddies, red and white stripes like those are often used to mark hairpin turns on racetracks. I'd bet that's what they're going for.
I always thought the original color scheme on Dragster was a bit of an eyesore and was really digging the grey/white scheme. So when the vid dropped with the red on the top hat and spike I was kind of disappointed...for like two seconds. I actually think it looks amazing now that I've seen a rendering.
@@FunkAndFluff Take makes so much sense! Thanks!
Also, the white track makes the trains stand out more. Hopefully there will be a dynamic lighting package during night rides.
Knowing Cedar Fair, TT2 will 100% have a seatbelt ultimately slowing down operations. If it’s anything like the old dragster seatbelts (which are also used on Hangtime at KBF), it will be vital that the crew is on top of guest engagement about those seat belts. Otherwise they’re going to be opening up a lot of rows which will slow down the ops.
I am so excited! Hopefully zampurla will work more with cedar fair now. Also Which one do you like better el Toro or voyage, pls do Sarah’s opinion and your opinion. Also can you make another top 25 but you and Sarah
El Toro and Voyage are very different coasters, and they can’t be compared very well
Safety! I think that's why the spike is so tall
Regarding first launch, it can't be too strong/fast otherwise launch 2 and 3 will have even less acceleration. But like you said going up to 74 mph with such a long launch will not feel strong. Just the unfortunate effect of converting a 1-pass hydraulic launch to a 3-pass LSM launch.
Regarding the spike, with the amount of energy at 101mph, ignoring air resistance and friction, the center of gravity of the train will go up around 340 ft, and if you take into account the length of half a train, back of the train going up 360 ft seems plausible. Who knows, maybe they will launch faster in practice to account for friction and drag. The benefit of LSMs is how easy it is to tweak the launch.
kinda disappointed i'll never get to go on what many think is the worlds best launch but it's definitely going to be a unique experience and i think i'd actually rather ride that than dragster
Same. I was looking forward to riding dragster in the future and feeling that crazy acceleration but unfortunately that will never happen now. Hopefully this new dragster can live up to its predecessor although I have my doubts.
Going backwards at 100 mph is probably the most exciting part, because it's something not yet seen on other coasters. But after all the mysteries and fuss about "reimagination" of the ride, it feels like Cedar Point has done just the minimum. They needed a swing launch to get rid of the pesky unreliable old launch system and still gain enough speed to clear the top hat. If I am being sarcastic, I imagine a 5 minute meeting needed to decide that including a slightly different theming.
Excuse me good sir, but literally the first ever LSM launch coaster, Superman: Escape from Krypton, built in 1997 at Magic Mountain, goes 100 mph backwards. The thing you think is not seen on other coasters was literally the selling point of the original LSM launch coaster.
@@MrHighFlyer500 You have a point there. I always forget about Magic Mountain's Superman because my brain files that one under "not a real rollercoaster". But it is the exact experience, even with an LSM.
Excited to ride this, mostly because I was always a huge fan of the under-rated Wicked Twister. I always considered it a carnie or flat ride, but more extreme. However, when lines were short at it and you could get off and on, Wicked Twister was a lot of fun. I feel TT2 will be like a hybrid form of Twister meets Dragster and ultimately the back and forth will actually be a lot of fun. Only downside is you don't have those massive LIMs above your head breathing down massive electrical heat and screeching the massive polyurethane wheels from the Twister.
Storm runner actually launches at 72, not 75. 75 is the top speed due to the first drop being longer (180ft) than the height of the top hat (150ft)
Oops! Makes sense!
@@CoasterStudioswill you go back into the video and implement the feedback?
@@m_ianO haha it ain’t that serious for them to edit the video. Just letting them know of the slight error cause haha.
I only know this ish cause hersheypark was my childhood home park 😊
@@CoasterStudios all good. Love the content!
I think Cedar Point has soured on Intamin with how unreliable TTD was/the accident, Maverick’s heartline roll, Shoot the Rapids, etc.
That initial launch should be circa 110mph so you get a proper rollback and a meaningful first launch. It would also be better for enthusiasts to add even more speed with the other 2 launches to use more of the spike, and then crest the top hat with more speed to get sustained airtime over the top. Also lowkey wish they added a vertical loop before the brake run.
I know this is an unpopular opinion that is going to sound negative but sadly the only thing I'm really excited for is Taylor to Parody TT2. So he can criticize the launch for not being as intense as the original and have some fanboys complain about how it turned out. More content from Taylor though which is always good.
My friend I'm sure you've ridden Tigris or Icebreaker. This new launch is going to be awesome. Great video.
The spike is that tall because it actually _does_ need to be to break the record, currently held by Superman: Escape from Krypton at 415 feet. See also the 101 mph launch, to break that coaster's backwards speed record.
Definitely. Stats are too close to be a coincidence or necessary for ride design. They are necessary to give a middle finger to Krypton. Which I never rode but now I don't need to!
I heard this from eltororyan's Kingda Ka review video. He said something about how the hydraulic cylinders are near the top of the train, which could be the reason why Kingda Ka has a rattle during the ride. These new zamperla trains look like the hydraulic cylinders are near the top of the train like intamin's new gen blitz trains like velocicoaster. I am a bit worried that this new ride will have this same type of rattle as Ka. I might be wrong but that's my take.
I'm looking forward to watching this video after I ride the ride to see how accurate the predictions were. I predict that this ride was highly underestimated
I counted the launch to breaks time to be about 53 or 54 seconds. You are almost right on the money with the 3 times the original ride duration of 17 seconds.
Watching video after a great day at Great America!
The drop off the spike into the 120mph launch will be BETTER than the hydralic launch.
It’s a 20 mph launch my guy
@@latortugapicante719but your dropping 330 plus feet. Millennium Forces first drop is better than Dragsters launch
This roller coaster is like the Tigres at Busche Gardens but longer!!! Awesome!!!
I think the reason that they made the spike so tall is to futureproof the ride in case it can go backwards faster at some point.
Choosing the straight backwards spike actually helps ensuring the track will be smooth. For all their recent developments & upgrades, Zamperla has no prior experience building track on that scale. (In fairness, NOT ONE supplier other than Intamin has) Building straight, rather than twisted or banked sections of track is arguably easier to quality control.
So in that regard, it's less of the risk for Cedar Fair. They can assume TT2 will be reasonably smooth. A ground-up Zamperla twisty & curvy layout with inversions would be much more unknown quality.
good point!
Thank you for your insight and analysis - second to none as always! The good news is that a 'true 420ft roll back' is still a possibility and if they apply a (mild) 4th LSM launch it would travel farther up the spike. There is also 'room to grow' as speeds may increase when the technology evolves.
If I would've designed the ride I would've launched just backwards straightaway and then just a slide boost to reach the top. I think that would have fixed the, what I believe, the rides issues and then also increase the capacity with the ride being shorter. Still a swing launch, still the spike and keeping that fast speed
Ending the ride with a second massive spike would have been killer. Both spikes could be parallel on the same tower opposite of the top hat. Start off going backwards into the smaller spike, then forward up and over the top hat. Then accelerate even faster into the record breaking spike. A rollback from 450' would have been something worthy of all the hype.
The reason Zamperla worked on Dragster is probably because Cedar Point got a package deal with the Wild Mouse and Dragster refurb.
Yes there was nothing like sitting in the front of TTD and getting a face full of dirty water from the cooling system
The spike adds momentum for the third launch
Coming down from the 74 mph launch isn’t in the same ballpark as a rollback on the OG Dragster. But if there’s a big wind gust or something goes wrong with the third launch, you get a rollback, right? After that kind of rollback, I’d hope for launch #4 up the spike again and then launch #5 to finally clear the top hat!
I still wonder why it's only 74. Maverick pulls 70 on a wayyyyyyy shorter launch track.
Dragster ran consistently at 117mph. Then lost 7 by the time is started to rise. At 110 it could clear 420 at the center car.
74mph will get you middle train at 250.
110mph will get you middle train 375.
And I subtracted 25ft from each to play conservative.
You only can compare the same coaster against itself. Not other coasters. Because of angle of incline mostly
That's why there will be trims at the 420 because this train could blast past that height
Agreed.
And these lsm launches are more accurate I suppose with the speed
Looking forward to riding Top Thrill Volare
The Trains look super cool
This is going to be THEE attraction of 2024. Its going to be the must ride coaster in the whole park. It mite rival Steel Vengeance for favorite coaster
Tbh with the capacity, when it breaks down less then the original Dragster then it should work
People are paying attention to the 1st launches top speed, but the rate of acceleration is to be determined. Mavericks second launch hits 70 mph, and has decent acceleration. This could potentially accelerate a lot faster and should still be a crowd pleaser.
The 2nd launch on this should feel insane, nonetheless
just grateful I rode dragster front row a few times.
I’m just wondering how on the “roll back” It’s not gonna knock ur head forward so much that it’s gonna hurt can someone explain please
I hear you worrying about the swing launch but if there is any reliability issues it will be minor. Yes it's pushing the limits of the LSM tech, but it is proven. There might be a problem getting the synchronous part of LSM to line up at that speed but that should be worked out in testing. I also think the initial launch is relatively slow to prevent thermal issues. Flight of Fear at Kings Island and Kings Dominion were hitting 60 MPH in a shorter launch and heat was an issue if I remember opening correctly. A slower launch at a longer duration reduces the heat generated.
The first launch oughta go at least 80. Hopefully its reprogrammable. And if the lightweight zamperla trains dont have enough inertia to clear the tophat, maybe we will be looking at a faster coaster in the end. 125 or so. But im no ride designer. Theyll figure it out.
Taylor, I think this will be amazing! Loved Dragster but TT2 with the swing launch is going to be awesome! Loved wicked twister and also Ice Breaker, Tigris this will combine those elements into an amazing ride. Cedar Point is hands down best coaster park in the world! So excited 😎😁👍
This looks absolutely amazing. What features will prevent the same metal piece breaking and killing another guest?❤
Seems like it will probably still have the occasional rollback toward the top of the tophat (similar to TTD) because the third launch will still take it to the same speed as TTD.
Missed opportunity to call it wicked dragster
They could've honestly make this a dual launch, launch forward, up the spike with LIM fins going up the spike to push it up further, then it could easily launch from 40-50mph to 120 mph the rest of the way
Even though the acceleration progresses from mild to almost nonexistent, the spike will preserve the Escape from Krypton experience for enthusiasts after it eventually closes. TT2 is still a GP magnet, but at least it retains a bit of launched coaster history.
I was really bored by Escape from Krypton
what is happening at 11:45 😂🤣😂
I thought every train holds 20, Jarrodbrook is saying 840 pph from sending 1 train every 90 seconds, but:
20/90 = x/3600 where x = 800, so its 800 pph, it would be 840 if it was 21 seats per train.
Will a video about the new launch coaster at Playland be coming soon? Also, will you be visiting that park next year?
Dragster had Launch, Speed, Height. Considering they have lost the launch aspect and how this is not a small overhaul, I am surprised they didn’t include something like an airtime-hill on the entry or exit.
I definitely think a couple of things about this is all coming down to Cedar point's choices. I bet the reason they chose Zamperla is because of cost, and maybe possibly because Zamperla gave them some other good pitch that convinced them to give them a chance. And hopefully Cedar Fair isn't choosing Zamperla out of spite towards Intamin. I think Zamperla gave a package deal with the Wild Mouse to Cedar Fair to entice them to give Zamperla the opportunity.
I also suspect it's the park or chain's decision to make the spike 420 tall to have bragging rights as I'm sure Zamperla is much more capable in predicting how much height they need for the 2nd launch.
You say the spike is adding 622 ft and then you say the spike is 420 ft and the other 202 is for the pullout? Its 420 ft tall, do you mean the pullout plus plus the vertical straight section all aded is 622 ft of track?
I wonder if they'll ever consider dropping the first forward launch. Seems like a waste of time with how gradual it will be and how low you end up on the tower. This is not the rollback of before. A more powerful backward launch to start seems a lot more interesting.
They have to have the first forward launch in order to be able to make it up the spike. The LSM's aren't powerful enough to hit 101 mph from where the train parks on the track
@@CoasterStudios It likely wouldn't go as high on the spike (which I realize isn't as marketable initially), but 2 launches of that length could easily get to 120 to make it over the tophat. The third launch as advertised barely accelerates the train. Also, Eltororyan did an analysis on this and figured you could at least get very close to 120 w LSMs on one launch...
Another take away from this is that anyone hoping that Cedar Fair will work with Intamin again will be disappointed for a long time to come. If they had considered working with them again this would have been the time for it. That means SeaWorld and Universal will be their main customers in North America for a while. I could also see Disney working with them again under the right circumstances. In fact, I think Six Flags is far more likely to work with Intamin again than Cedar Fair because I could see them buying one of the small clonable models that Intamin announced a few years ago. But I doubt Cedar Fair would even consider that.
Six Flags will find a Intamin version of the Mind Eraser.
I guess im going to Universal and Sea World for the next while
It is about time for episode two of coastin thru Europe season two!
Coming soon!
11:46 ummm wtf was that boy doing to the girl?!!?!?!?!😂😂
The train will lose speed between launches due to friction, drag, etc. So the actual change in velocity will be higher than the difference in advertised launch speeds
11:45 homie literally got a running start and wound up to give his girl a nice spanking 😂
so after rolling backwards you go through the coaster twice the regular way? bc all the animations only show it roll back and then ride through only once as normal.
Huuuuuge missed opportunity IMO to have airtime hills on the launch track.
Although we could look at the other way: I'm glad that Zamperla are only making straight sections of track 😆