The Ancestors of Pokemon Legends Arceus

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  • Опубликовано: 20 мар 2023
  • Taking a look at the characters in PLA and who they relate to in modern day games
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  • @omega-kiba7188
    @omega-kiba7188 Год назад +13964

    Or…you know…Cogita and Volo are just family.

    • @Nasho3
      @Nasho3 Год назад +808

      It would be weird because volo doesn’t refer to cogita as a family member

    • @MyHeartIsOhMyGod
      @MyHeartIsOhMyGod Год назад +1631

      ​@phillipclearman859maybe they're just kinky 💀

    • @ScionStorm1
      @ScionStorm1 Год назад +18

      @Phillip Clearman He's a bastard son -not allowed to refer to her as mother. >:P

    • @glitchking2801
      @glitchking2801 Год назад +919

      @@MyHeartIsOhMyGod they can also be just like really distant cousins or something

    • @jamhopsey
      @jamhopsey Год назад +713

      it’s suggested that there exists some “ancient sinnoh blood” or wtv some family bloodline that cogitas inherited and during the final fight volo questions whether he doesn’t also share that ancestry in his little “chosen one” delusion

  • @o-dreng8778
    @o-dreng8778 Год назад +13778

    Cynthia just dropped the biggest Paradox ever and no one talks shit about it

    • @Stevetstevets
      @Stevetstevets Год назад +100

      Meanwhile idw shockwave

    • @mesmorrow
      @mesmorrow Год назад +239

      Because Game Freak writes lore like they are in third grade.

    • @number3766
      @number3766 Год назад +173

      BS.
      Cynthia would have figured out how to save the world long before we came along.
      Hell, she'd probably have fixed then issue to begin with.

    • @Derevocsidi
      @Derevocsidi Год назад +31

      @@mesmorrow coz they made the game for kids lmao.

    • @marchadow3957
      @marchadow3957 Год назад +15

      ​@@Derevocsidi is this a joke?

  • @PyroGothNerd
    @PyroGothNerd Год назад +2021

    News flash: People have more than one ancestor.

    • @scotandiamapping4549
      @scotandiamapping4549 3 месяца назад +19

      Beat me to it

    • @emperorxander666
      @emperorxander666 3 месяца назад +76

      newsflash people NEED more than one ancestor

    • @olgierdvoneverec4135
      @olgierdvoneverec4135 2 месяца назад +33

      News flash: ancestors can also have plenty of descendants that look nothing like them.

    • @DieGurke_
      @DieGurke_ 2 месяца назад +4

      ​@@emperorxander666Even the Habsburg needed 2

    • @velvet4088
      @velvet4088 Месяц назад +1

      👏👏👏🥹🥹🥹Discovery of the century

  • @Nyaiv
    @Nyaiv Год назад +342

    There's a trainer with a Lucario named Rye, who you have to battle as part of a quest. Pretty sure he's supposed to be Riley from diamond and pearls ancestor, has the same hair and everything.

    • @Diabolos1007
      @Diabolos1007 3 месяца назад +6

      Yep they are in fact relatives

    • @darkflame1.067
      @darkflame1.067 Месяц назад

      Yeah fr, he also talks about aura and says that you have also done aura.

    • @coyolord8031
      @coyolord8031 Месяц назад +1

      Yeah. I was disappointed when after you beat his ass he doesn't give you a riolu egg :(

  • @pentagonyx
    @pentagonyx Год назад +4538

    The fact that Wally descended from a line of fucking ninjas is crazy

    • @WuilliamA
      @WuilliamA Год назад +463

      Wally, in the Pokémon manga, have a Ninja phase

    • @amaterasumaster8781
      @amaterasumaster8781 Год назад +261

      ​@@WuilliamA that makes him much more lovable than he already was imo

    • @SockMan1.0
      @SockMan1.0 Год назад +46

      Isn’t it hinted Wally dies after ORAS?

    • @SockMan1.0
      @SockMan1.0 Год назад +75

      I mean the flowers at his last fight are named after final goodbyes or death

    • @slimewizard7350
      @slimewizard7350 Год назад +62

      Gen 10, wally gym leader, badass fighting type ninja, gallade ace, MAKE IT HAPPEN GAMEFREAK

  • @chrishuynh_0043
    @chrishuynh_0043 Год назад +2009

    I mean Cynthia's grandmother is the lorekeeper in Gen 4... which Cogita serves the same purpose. I don't see why she couldn't be say, the grandmother of Volo.

    • @romantheblack-cat
      @romantheblack-cat Год назад +215

      I just straight up thought she was volos gramdma

    • @edra2005
      @edra2005 Год назад +27

      Or his wife

    • @ramaroy2408
      @ramaroy2408 Год назад +169

      ​@@edra2005 she is way too old lol. And in the game it was implied that cogita raise volo

    • @PaletteMorning
      @PaletteMorning Год назад +7

      Actually yeah now that I think about it why didn't I assume that too as well lmao

    • @lAlwaysHopel
      @lAlwaysHopel Год назад +76

      @@ramaroy2408 That make sense, also the hidden notes seems to imply that Cogita is immortal. Her being Cynthia “grandmother” is something that wouldn’t surprise me.

  • @cristycantoy1753
    @cristycantoy1753 Месяц назад +40

    "They sent her back since she gave Sinnoh permanent Trauma 💀"

  • @evanc1480
    @evanc1480 Год назад +36

    The ancient poem is implied to be written by Cogita. And the poem talked about the aiding the ancient hero and losing friends to the passage of time. So Cogita might be immortal and ancestor of Volo and Cynthia

  • @megascrafty1624
    @megascrafty1624 Год назад +2252

    Never forget ingo. Teleported away from his train homie to the past

    • @garrettlewis8450
      @garrettlewis8450 Год назад +159

      Nah not homie literal brother

    • @jet_set8648
      @jet_set8648 Год назад +47

      @@garrettlewis8450 both

    • @toonacyedits8521
      @toonacyedits8521 Год назад +65

      Yeah but Ingo doesn’t have a descendant in the series, Ingo here and Ingo in previous gens are just the same dude displaced in time

    • @pedromatos1235
      @pedromatos1235 11 месяцев назад +10

      @@toonacyedits8521but at least it’s canon

    • @TheOctoJules
      @TheOctoJules 9 месяцев назад +11

      If he’s not in the Indigo Disk I’m gonna be super mad

  • @Botan_Katou
    @Botan_Katou Год назад +2548

    I thought the most popular theory was that Volo is a farther ancestor of BOTH Cynthia and Cogito. Since the way he dresses for the final battle and the way he talked sometimes made him seem like he traveled FORWARD in time, unlike the player who gets sent back in time.

    • @sarcasm-aplenty
      @sarcasm-aplenty Год назад +54

      Yooo i just commented nearly the same thing before reading this comment. Same brain cell!!

    • @Delmont_The_Delusional
      @Delmont_The_Delusional Год назад +10

      ​@@charnalk5572 celetican or celestial?

    • @longbeing
      @longbeing Год назад +107

      Nah he just spent a little too much time alone with his history books. He reminds me of those guys who get weirdly nationalist for a past version of their nation. The type who think everything would be fixed if they had an absolute monarchy again or Prussia still existed or whatever.

    • @JustAGirlOnline
      @JustAGirlOnline Год назад +14

      I was thinking maybe more like Volo is from the future. Kinda like it's implied Sabi is from the future (similar to how Ingo was send from the present to the past, Volo seeks out going to the past from the future, and Sabi ends up in the past similarly to how Ingo does, but is from the future instead of from the present.)

    • @toolatetothestory
      @toolatetothestory Год назад +18

      ​@@longbeing Yeah, I think so too. After all, HE was the one who caused the tome rift to begin with. How would he have traveled into the time where he had caused it to begin with before causing it
      God I hate time travel xD Its always so complicated

  • @beaksters
    @beaksters 7 месяцев назад +21

    “Let’s skip the simple ones” Proceeds to go over all the simple ones.

    • @Goose-Verse
      @Goose-Verse 6 дней назад

      He meant that he'd just say them without explanation

  • @marlo9512
    @marlo9512 5 месяцев назад +5

    Another theory I saw is that Volo is actually Cogita's ancestor sent to the "future" to Hisui. Some hints are how he's the only one that know of Giratina and Arceus, and his original clothing being a lot more "ancient" looking.

  • @jorgelazaro6833
    @jorgelazaro6833 Год назад +631

    When Beni removed his headwear, he has Wally’s exact hair

    • @hellhound01
      @hellhound01 Год назад +11

      But being a chef makes it look like cilan

    • @jorgelazaro6833
      @jorgelazaro6833 Год назад +38

      @@hellhound01 while that is a massive stretch, who’s to say Wally and Cilan aren’t related?

    • @ohdang3833
      @ohdang3833 Год назад +2

      ​@@jorgelazaro6833 Me

    • @michaelklassen777
      @michaelklassen777 11 месяцев назад

      When does he remove his headwear?

    • @Moald
      @Moald 11 месяцев назад +8

      ​@@michaelklassen777When you fight him at Mount Coronet

  • @Derevocsidi
    @Derevocsidi Год назад +5816

    i thought that Cogita Married Volo. I mean Cynthia got face from Cogita and yellow hair from Volo.

    • @8bitmoe
      @8bitmoe  Год назад +1385

      Yeah that’s a good one too actually, I hope we learn more about her cause I find her to be the most interesting character in the game

    • @Slymation
      @Slymation Год назад +399

      Wdym Volo already has the same face as here and cogita and volo look way too similar not to be related

    • @schnitzelmike727
      @schnitzelmike727 Год назад +322

      In the words of prozd: "oh they fockin"

    • @Derevocsidi
      @Derevocsidi Год назад +65

      @@Slymation Maybe they married.

    • @decayingfairy3996
      @decayingfairy3996 Год назад +68

      We see so much more of Cynthia’s family than any other character lmao

  • @ASwallie65
    @ASwallie65 Год назад +51

    ... I think the more obvious and intended conclusion is that Cynthia has two ancestors in this game

  • @ugn154
    @ugn154 Год назад +65

    When a character is so loved by not only the company but the fan base as well that she gets two past representations.
    One is the intimidating trainer you have to face at the end, the other is the really helpful, insightful, yet mysterious character.
    Both Cynthia, love it.

  • @dnd1016
    @dnd1016 Год назад +657

    Plot twist: Cogita is Cynthia’s Ancestor while Volo is actually Lusamine’s.

    • @kamen_rider1752
      @kamen_rider1752 Год назад +53

      Makes sense

    • @yamadawaver9317
      @yamadawaver9317 Год назад +24

      Ah surely

    • @codyleroy7
      @codyleroy7 Год назад +80

      What would make more sense is Volo is a cousin or nephew to cogita while also being Lusamine’s ancestor.

    • @sumikazu26
      @sumikazu26 Год назад +56

      That means lusamine and Cynthia are distant relatives

    • @that_kid_nobody_notices
      @that_kid_nobody_notices Год назад +58

      That would explain the obsessive personalities for both Volo and Lusamine. Beings from other dimensions (giratina/maybe arceus, and the ultra beasts respectively).

  • @SKROGY
    @SKROGY Год назад +908

    Dialga: *The literal god of time*
    Theorists: We don’t know what being could’ve sent Cynthia back in time

    • @gustavju4686
      @gustavju4686 Год назад +131

      I mean, it was Arceus who sent back the player. And Celebi temporarily sent back the player of HG/SS to see the Giovanni say bye to Silver and battle him.

    • @Missingno_Miner
      @Missingno_Miner Год назад +54

      I mean, Arceus was the one to send the player back, while Ingo's amnesia matches with most Fallers, so he may have arrived via Ultra Wormhole.

    •  Год назад +15

      Better question is 'why'.

    • @connortg5
      @connortg5 Год назад +18

      @@Missingno_Miner ingo fell from the rift in the sky, I very clearly remember them stating that and comparing it to how you fell from the rift as well, he likely wasn’t sent by arceus tho and was rather caught in a random distortion because we supposedly keep our memories while he didnt

    • @Missingno_Miner
      @Missingno_Miner Год назад +16

      @@connortg5 No, the player fell from the rift, and they're specifically differentiated from Ingo in that respect. When he first shows up, he refers to the player as the person who came from the sky, and the game continues with this, explictly stating, several times, that Ingo did not fall from the sky, but rather just appeared. Ingo himself states that he was "still standing in bafflement" when the Pearl Clan found him, showing he arrived standing up rather than dropping from somewhere, and he tells Volo he has "no cause" to believe the rift had anything to do with his arrival in Hisui or the loss of his memory.

  • @Doxiy
    @Doxiy 8 месяцев назад +5

    Adaman has a descendant called perrin.

  • @Imperfectcell13
    @Imperfectcell13 Год назад +19

    Sabi being the shared ancestor of Cheryl and Hapu is pretty interesting

  • @angriestjoker
    @angriestjoker Год назад +85

    I always assumed Cogita and Volo came from a long gone tribe of ancestors that all looked like Cynthia

    • @safehouse432
      @safehouse432 Год назад +40

      Ahh yes the Cynthia tribe they worshipped pianos hence their theme song.

    • @lAlwaysHopel
      @lAlwaysHopel Год назад +6

      Well it seems both are the only one left from the Sinnoh People bloodline, so that is possible.

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 месяцев назад +2

      That's what I figured too

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@lAlwaysHopelThe game seems to imply that the others fled to Sinjoh. Also, there had to be others around to be Volo's parents

  • @SirPanikalot778
    @SirPanikalot778 Год назад +299

    Also, because of beni's battle just before the legendary encounter, we now know that wally is from a line of ninjas.

    • @gabi4845
      @gabi4845 Год назад +26

      See the ninja stuff is why I thought he was related to Aaron in some way? Maybe he’s also a distant relative of Wally..

    • @Solaceon
      @Solaceon Год назад +7

      ​@@gabi4845 that's the impression I got too.

    • @johnnyp1986
      @johnnyp1986 Год назад +3

      I thought maybe he could also be the ancestor of the Shadow Triad from Gen 5. His battle animation where he does a flip looks very similar to the battle animation given to the shadow triad when fought it B2W2.

    • @senny-
      @senny- 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@gabi4845holy shit i never noticed how similar they looked until now

  • @cupofjoe1785
    @cupofjoe1785 Год назад +26

    I like how us Pokémon fans talk about a game before it comes out like “noooo you can’t make the trees look slightly bad,” and then when the game comes out we’re like “you see, he’s his ancestor because they share the sitting gene”

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 месяцев назад +5

      I keep seeing that example but Ginter has Volkner's exact face

  • @thebestgreattusk1996
    @thebestgreattusk1996 Год назад +2

    I like how most good modern characters have bad past counterparts and vice versa

  • @longbeing
    @longbeing Год назад +277

    They’re definitely just related. I assume Volo is either the “black sheep” of the family or they’re from different sides of the family who don’t get along well.

  • @enzopereira2606
    @enzopereira2606 Год назад +113

    I always assumed volo was related to cogita, like a son, grandson or nephew, since he says that he has the blood of the ancient sinnoh people, of which cogita is the last "pure blooded" and the old verses imply that she has lived for hundreds of years (plus the fact that she allows you to have enamorus, her partner pokemon, knowing that once you die of old age, enamorus will return to her side)

    • @corruptcamerupt2344
      @corruptcamerupt2344 Год назад +21

      That makes me wonder if she becomes Cynthia in the future, cause if she’s basically immortal what’s to say she didn’t change her identity to fit better in modern times.

    • @omarpride3021
      @omarpride3021 Год назад +5

      That would be so cool and I like this

    • @mlpfanboy1701
      @mlpfanboy1701 8 месяцев назад +7

      Too bad for her enamorous was sent to the far future.

    • @Extremelybraindeadhumanbeing
      @Extremelybraindeadhumanbeing 5 месяцев назад +7

      Enamorous traveling through space and time (some dumbass transfered them into a new game) (im the dumbass)

  • @indy63_24
    @indy63_24 Год назад +6

    I'm yet to see someone talking about Taohua being Director Clavel's relative. A pretty cool Easter Egg placed to tease their next game

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 месяцев назад

      That would mean Clavell and Charon are related and that's hilarious

  • @noplayJ
    @noplayJ 11 месяцев назад +3

    One that you missed was Karen for that one side quest about the lady too scared too sleep because of a pikachu

  • @brianlisk9326
    @brianlisk9326 Год назад +104

    The gang of thieves are the ancestors of Saturn, Candace, and Bertha

    • @Makitru
      @Makitru Год назад +25

      Charm’s an ancestor of Bertha and Agatha
      Clover’s an ancestor of Candice
      Coin’s an ancestor of Saturn

    • @alchemist2461
      @alchemist2461 Год назад +3

      Who's Candice?

    • @blaketourdner8992
      @blaketourdner8992 Год назад

      @@alchemist2461 Candice dick fit in yo mouth
      But I’m all seriousness She’s the Seventh gym leader in the Sinnoh games

    • @0_lunarmoth_0
      @0_lunarmoth_0 Год назад +3

      Who's Candice (chain plss)

    • @pg13snipez
      @pg13snipez Год назад

      ​@@0_lunarmoth_0 Deez-

  • @ampharosfan75
    @ampharosfan75 Год назад +65

    Another thing that linked Beni and Wally is that Beni mentioned that he wanted to go somewhere with a Warmer Climate. For example: Hoenn

  • @shelliblossom8953
    @shelliblossom8953 Год назад +1

    The nurse in the main building looks like a mix between that psychic girl with the spoon hair and nurse joy

  • @jacobkirk1846
    @jacobkirk1846 Год назад +19

    Well actually Volo talks about waiting centuries to meet Arceus, so it’s obvious that there’s some time paradox shenanigans happening with him. So I’d say that Cogita is Cynthia’s distant relative from this era, then Volo is maybe her distant relative traveled from the past.
    Edit: that could also be why there’s never any mention of a family relationship between the two. She would likely not know who Volo is with him being a distant relative traveled from the past, and he likely wouldn’t want to tell her out of fear that it may out his plan.

    • @ItsFireTiger
      @ItsFireTiger 6 месяцев назад +2

      I thought the dialogue was that he'd see Arceus even if it takes centuries

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 месяцев назад +3

      He also may have access to the Distortion World, or simply know how Cogita got so long lived (she's implied to be the one who wrote the Old Verses)

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 Месяц назад +1

      Cogita wrote the Old Verses, she's just as old as Volo

  • @funnyskull14
    @funnyskull14 Год назад +247

    We need a legends game for Unova just inagine seeing Zekrom, Reshiram and Kyurem still fused together and then the final battle is them and once you beat it they get split

    • @Langodan
      @Langodan Год назад +20

      Id love to go back to unova like this

    • @momorose3211
      @momorose3211 Год назад +31

      It would help explain the disappearance of Blair/Hilbert/Emile and Whitlea/Hilda from Pokémon Black 2 and White 2

    • @Reshiram321
      @Reshiram321 Год назад +2

      hi

    • @AznYunHou
      @AznYunHou Год назад +8

      @@momorose3211 yeah, they could be the character sent back in time by a higher power

    • @mercenaryelite
      @mercenaryelite Год назад +7

      Pokemon Legends: Kyurem

  • @aringrey
    @aringrey Год назад +30

    imagine having more than one ancestor. Couldn't be me

    • @lilpetz500
      @lilpetz500 6 месяцев назад

      Agametic gang rise up!

  • @maximumbeans9310
    @maximumbeans9310 Год назад +4

    One that I haven’t seen mentioned is that Arezu is basically Mars from Team Galactic.

    • @shadeaubetoile9799
      @shadeaubetoile9799 6 месяцев назад

      It's even funnier for me, cause the french version of the game went ahead and legit called her "Marcia" (pronounced like 'Mars+Sia')

  • @WisteriaUndertheSun
    @WisteriaUndertheSun Год назад +2

    I actually like to think Cogita is just Volo’s grandma

  • @WayToDawn72
    @WayToDawn72 Год назад +49

    I just assumed Cogita was related to Volo, like a great aunt or cousin twice removed

    • @lowtier369
      @lowtier369 Год назад +3

      That's what I thought too lmao they were both pretty mysterious and felt like they had a history

    • @dhanushs.s2093
      @dhanushs.s2093 Год назад +4

      Atleast someone has some braincells💀💀.......

    • @Charara999
      @Charara999 8 месяцев назад +3

      I thought that as well. Like Cogita is his grandma's sister or something, but treats him like the child who asks too many questions. Maybe she even raised him.

    • @lilpetz500
      @lilpetz500 6 месяцев назад +3

      She seems like a relative who would invite herself to Cynthia's family reunions and no one knows exactly how she's related but she's obviously related somehow in resemblance and very polite so she can stay.
      Volo would be the relative that they do know, but is on thin ice to being kicked out if he goes on about his arceus conspiracy one more time

    • @7swordquanta459
      @7swordquanta459 5 месяцев назад

      This makes way more sense honestly. However, when I played PLA again, I somehow noticed how Cogita's dialogue makes her seem like someone coming from the future. It's a bit of a stretch I know but that's what I noticed.

  • @CyberDrewan
    @CyberDrewan Год назад +216

    Personally, I think Cogita and Volo are the other way around: Cogita is Cynthia’s ancestor from this time, while Volo is from another time. I’ve heard the theory that Volo, given his Greek-inspired clothes, is actually Cynthia’s ancestor from further in the past (like, from Antiquity). This also aligns with their mannerisms: Cogita is suspicious of Volo, specifically claiming that he acts differently from other people in Hisui, which would be weird to do if you yourself were trying to hide that you didn’t belong in this time period.

    • @chaosstripe9446
      @chaosstripe9446 Год назад +51

      Also Volo is a worshipper of Giratina, who's been erased from history at the time of Hisui. AKA Volo was around before Giratina was forgotten and was the one who previously broke through time and space, causing The Darkest Day when he jumped forward with Giratina to escape prosecution by Arceus, Dialga, and Palkia.

    • @amithist4455
      @amithist4455 6 месяцев назад +9

      But then the question is, what Pokémon sent him forwards in time? Why would Dialga, Arceus or Celebi want to send him back given his intentions?

    • @lilpetz500
      @lilpetz500 6 месяцев назад +8

      I would like that idea, but he does express being angered at the fact that you get to be more of a chosen one than him by falling from the sky, and doesn't seem to have a cool origin story to bring up in comparison besides simply being a Hisui era traveller with a bit too much knowledge. I think that maybe he has that outfit as a historic re-enactment he made maybe, since he is kind of fanatical about pleasing arceus and that may have been a historic era where people were more connected (right down to his silly hairstyle to try mimic them)

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@chaosstripe9446Darkest Day had nothing to do with Giratina

    • @shadeaubetoile9799
      @shadeaubetoile9799 6 месяцев назад +8

      This actually could explain why he knows more about the creation trio than the clans who are litteraly worshiping them

  • @dead_byte
    @dead_byte 6 месяцев назад +1

    Obviously, the most logical explanation is that Cogita saw how ✨extra✨Volo was, and immediately thought “I can fix him”

  • @hysloth3137
    @hysloth3137 10 месяцев назад +2

    Volo is cogita's ancestor since he was from the distant past

  • @confusedjello7292
    @confusedjello7292 Год назад +11

    i love how nobody has even considered the possibility of having two relatives

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 месяцев назад

      I did I ship Volo and Cogita

  • @metagross6897
    @metagross6897 Год назад +21

    "Let's skip the obvious ones"
    Proceeds to put dawn

  • @bricky7081
    @bricky7081 6 месяцев назад +2

    Aint no way Volo isnt Cynthia's ancestor with that connection to Giratina & the big dramatic ass piano flaring up at the beginning of his battle

  • @fireblade-cp8uw
    @fireblade-cp8uw Год назад +1

    Reverse flash: "IT WAS ME BARRY. I SENT CYNTHIA BACK IN TIME JUST BEFORE YOU COULD CHALLENGE HER. SO YOU CAN NEVER HAVE THE SATISFACTION OF BEATING HER"

  • @crystalwolf4525
    @crystalwolf4525 Год назад +22

    I would think it was just Cynthia has both Cogita and Volo for ancestors

  • @334yopf
    @334yopf Год назад +22

    I fully believe that the guy from the Electrode trial is an ancestor of James.

    • @agent8370
      @agent8370 Год назад +4

      oddly enough, all the theories of I've heard for who melli is related to, no one went to James, which honestly seems most accurate out of all of them. The only question being whether or not the games and anime exist in the same universe.

    • @chaosstripe9446
      @chaosstripe9446 Год назад +1

      This, 1000%

    • @honeyslime7178
      @honeyslime7178 Год назад +2

      ​@@agent8370 We don't need to ask that question since we have multiple games with James in them.

    • @FrostGlader
      @FrostGlader 11 месяцев назад +3

      IMO, it’s Penny from SV.
      A lot of the known ancestors in PLA have vastly different personalities to their modern counterparts, and beyond that often share physical features. Melli shares similar facial features and has a similar hair colour to Penny (ignoring the obvious Red part that Penny likely dyed).

    • @jayjonesrgaming
      @jayjonesrgaming 6 месяцев назад

      Always thought Toa Hua is Wikstroms ancestor, same eyebrows and mouth shape. And pretty sure Tsumugi, the guard that stands by the item storage box in Jubilife, is Jupiter’s ancestor

  • @giboit.
    @giboit. Год назад +10

    The old verses from pokemon legends arceus and the dialogues in the game imply that Cogita (and Volo) are both humans that were blessed/cursed by Arceus and became inmortals.
    Also, due to Volo's craziness, his use of pokemon from a different dimension and his blonde hair I'd argue that Volo may be Lusamine's ancestor and with Cogita being Cynthia's ancestor.
    Immortality being indirectly present in Lusamine's genes would explain why she looks so young despite being over 40 years old.

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 месяцев назад +1

      There's no such implication with Volo though.

    • @giboit.
      @giboit. 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@BJGvideos
      “Once there were two. And one looked upon time’s steady pace. And one looked upon the expanse of space. And the two set out: the fullness of future did they seek, the world’s far end would they greet. Two different paths- each walking alone a path their own, though they walk with almighty Sinnoh.”

  • @oburci9596
    @oburci9596 3 месяца назад +1

    "Lets skip the obvious ones"
    *starts with Akari and Dawn*

  • @CaptainHarukaDani
    @CaptainHarukaDani Год назад +40

    I can confirm that i got thrown into Hisui and changed my outfit by thoughts of someone recognizing me and everyone in the entire region would ask for their photographs. Life of a champion is hard guys.

    • @pg13snipez
      @pg13snipez Год назад

      Good thing genetics dont exist yet, but do you and volo have a relationship at all, or does he even know you?

    • @CaptainHarukaDani
      @CaptainHarukaDani Год назад

      @@pg13snipez He knows me but we're not in a relationship.

  • @maracabo1176
    @maracabo1176 Год назад +8

    GILF CYNTHIA LETS GOOOOOOO

  • @gardenshedd
    @gardenshedd 6 месяцев назад +1

    Cogita is just helping us stop her obsessive nephew no worries

  • @FireflyJuu
    @FireflyJuu 10 месяцев назад +1

    If you talk to Beni after you finish the game he says Hisui is too cold for him and he's looking to settle somewhere warmer

  • @royalevans9671
    @royalevans9671 Год назад +5

    “Are there any I missed” me being like there’s dozens😂

  • @dustindean4618
    @dustindean4618 Год назад +7

    This game also proves that Agatha and Bertha are related lol

  • @kirby69813
    @kirby69813 7 месяцев назад +1

    The hair stylist looks like Mars

  • @Garde_Mystik
    @Garde_Mystik 11 месяцев назад +1

    Honestly it's Volo. Volo is the time traveler and Cogita's ancestor. He wore ancient Greek god clothing, knew things only someone who lived in the past would know, and had access to time travel himself via Giratina ripping space time.

  • @RedTHedge
    @RedTHedge Год назад +9

    Clearly, they're both Cynthia's ancestors

    • @dennysoto1236
      @dennysoto1236 Год назад +2

      No. People can only have 1 ancestor. Obviously Volo will eventually split into 2 slightly different versions of himself via mitosis and Cogita will be revealed to be a time-traveling Ditto that saw Cynthia and decided to impersonate her in the distant past 😂

  • @kartikalmighty
    @kartikalmighty Год назад +16

    The farmer guy who harvests stuff for you if you ask him too has the same haircut as Gardenia, so they might be related

  • @KeizerSosebee
    @KeizerSosebee Год назад +1

    i love how cogito ergo sum is "I think, therefore I am" while Volo ergo sum "is I desire, therefore I am." and if we were to make a stretch Sentio (like cynthia) ergo sum is "I feel, therefore I am"

  • @fucadekiwi
    @fucadekiwi 4 месяца назад

    Cynthia: "hey great great great grandpa, take these pokemon!"
    Volo: "uh ok? Why?"
    Cynthia: "it'll be fun!"

  • @rileymaxwell7357
    @rileymaxwell7357 Год назад +10

    I think one that doesnt get talked about enough is how Irida the pearl clan leader looks like she's related to Serena from X and Y

    • @dumbly-stupid
      @dumbly-stupid Год назад

      Same

    • @Pockets4507
      @Pockets4507 Год назад +1

      Irida? Dude thats May from Ruby and Sapphire.

    • @dumbly-stupid
      @dumbly-stupid Год назад

      @@Pockets4507 I think she might be both their ancestors they do look similar

  • @Monkey80939
    @Monkey80939 Год назад +4

    Theres no way, dog you have to have 2 ancestors per layer of a family tree, we gunna neglect the idea that those 2 are gunna make Cynthia’s family line

  • @MarcBrightside
    @MarcBrightside Год назад +1

    Come on, guys. We all know Cogita and Volo are banging.

  • @Blakmage3
    @Blakmage3 Год назад +1

    The man you approach to grow berries, crops and mints etc has the same colourings and headband that Gardenia has (grass gym leader).

  • @aaronwishard7093
    @aaronwishard7093 Год назад +5

    The easier, but also just as much theory, answer to Cogita and Volo is that they're both ancestors of Cynthia.
    Meaning that, even if they don't marry, or anything like that. It's the same way that you probably know two ancestors from a few hundred years ago, even if you don't by name, who have nothing to do with one another but you could pinpoint them within a few square miles of one another.

  • @xenstarboy
    @xenstarboy Год назад +3

    I just think they wanted Cynthia's ancestor to be the final trainer boss like she is in the diamond and pearl games but in the story it worked out as that also making Volo the villain, which was incredibly well written don't get me wrong, but Cogita is there to be more of a one to one with Cynthia personality wise which is shown nicely through her design. I think they decided to give her two ancestors not because of any paradoxes or hidden story, but because that's what worked best for such an important and well loved character. Cynthia's ancestor had to be important to the game and its story but also still be like Cynthia, so to counter balance Cynthia not being completely nuts like Volo is, the older ancestor Cogita who shares a lot of the calmer and graceful attributes with Cynthia was sort of needed, and it works quite nicely with her being a keeper of old legends and stories, really shows where Cynthia got her affinity and love for it. Volo does aswell, to a much more obsessive extent, but its clear that he got it from Cogita who he's probably related to.

  • @anjealousanaconda9692
    @anjealousanaconda9692 Год назад +1

    I heard a theory that Cogita is Cynthia’s ancestor and Volo is Lusamine’s👁️👁️

  • @ryancooper780
    @ryancooper780 5 месяцев назад

    To this day Cynthia's team has got to be one of the most well balanced teams I've ever seen. Her Pokemon compliment each other so much.

  • @HolyCanolei
    @HolyCanolei Год назад +4

    Y’all be acting like people can’t have multiple ancestors alive at the same time.

  • @booyaboibob
    @booyaboibob Год назад +16

    Na they smashed. And I'm not talking about Pokemon battles. 🙌

  • @enaxie
    @enaxie 11 месяцев назад +1

    Volo is a time traveler from the past rather than the future. This is why, although volo and cogita are related, neither characters know this.

  • @newbarkgal19
    @newbarkgal19 Год назад +1

    I thought that Cogita was Volo's Descendant of sorts, because the popular theory I've heard is that Volo is from even FURTHER in the past

  • @Fr1endly7
    @Fr1endly7 Год назад +5

    One thing I want to point out is that Zisu has the same starting battle animation as Hop.

    • @Solaceon
      @Solaceon Год назад +1

      Great, now I'm not gonna be able to unsee that.

    • @gustavju4686
      @gustavju4686 Год назад

      Zizu x Laventon?

  • @vgrundt
    @vgrundt Год назад +11

    Volo and Cogita could be related in some way. Volo could be the abandoned son of Cogita

  • @ghost.woolo0
    @ghost.woolo0 Год назад +2

    Volo and Cogita are actually from the same bloodline, so it would mean that Cogita is also an ancestor to Cynthia. With the Diamond and Pearl Clans colonizing the Celestica bloodline in the past, Cogita and Volo are the last of them.
    Cogita and Volo are definitely family so that means Cogita is also an ancestor to Cynthia.

    • @lAlwaysHopel
      @lAlwaysHopel Год назад +1

      Bingo! Also add in the hidden notes which implies that Cogita is immortal. She already knew the player purpose and knew her duties to fulfill, she already had witnessed a similar event before. If anything Volo is a descendant of Cogita.

  • @emmett2981
    @emmett2981 Год назад +6

    this is why we need a dlc for pla 🙃

    • @kirby69813
      @kirby69813 7 месяцев назад +1

      Pokémon Legends: Victini

  • @Moonkat358
    @Moonkat358 Год назад +31

    I think Lavender is Jacq's ancestor, they look pretty similar. ALSO, Jacq in one point of the gane says that in his times the Pokedex was written with hand and feather and it was only a simple notebook. They are both professors and wear glasses and a purple tunic. Coincidence?

    • @AznYunHou
      @AznYunHou Год назад +4

      I think it was already theorized for Laventon to be Leon and Hop's ancestor. Cause the Indian background that can be associated with the characters. And Laventon having the Raichu Indian elephant entry retconned to Copperajah from his homeland. Since Copperajah is from an Indian inspired region.

    • @CaptainObliviousV
      @CaptainObliviousV Год назад +2

      It was actually Clavell that mentioned filling out the dex with pen & paper, not Jacq. I’ve actually seen connections made to Laventon being Hop & Leon’s ancestor while Jacq is a descendant of Adaman (though the ladder is very loose)

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@AznYunHouAren't Leon and Hop black rather than Indian? Not that there aren't black Indians of course but you know how this game goes.

  • @RyanNerdyGamer
    @RyanNerdyGamer Месяц назад

    Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn meeting their ancestors has so much comedy potential! 😂
    Mars: “She look just like me…”
    Coin: “He looks just like me…”
    Jupiter: “Hey, what about me…?”

  • @THESPITEFULL1
    @THESPITEFULL1 3 месяца назад

    People to Cynthia: How did you get here?!
    Cynthia: Time travel son!

  • @sarcasm-aplenty
    @sarcasm-aplenty Год назад +13

    Volo is from even further back in time based on his outfit. He hangs around Cogita because he is Her ancestor and Cogita is Cynthia's. At least that's my theory.

    • @Nasho3
      @Nasho3 Год назад

      Volo wears his outfit because he is a merchant

    • @eliotrumbleny7280
      @eliotrumbleny7280 Год назад

      ​@@DrJazzyBonespHd he is dressed like Arceus

  • @chiepog6215
    @chiepog6215 Год назад +5

    I actually like the idea of Volo being Lusamine relative as you look more into his personality and choices of clothes it alot like Lusamine and Cogita being more like Cynthia. So maybe Volo leaves for Alola? We don't ever see him again so that could be that Volo is Lusamine ancestor and Cogita is Cynthia Ancestor.

    • @shadeaubetoile9799
      @shadeaubetoile9799 6 месяцев назад

      I mean, Considering some people is Arceus are ancestraux to unova characters, it's not that wild to imagine one of them reaching Alola

  • @Chaîne_Française
    @Chaîne_Française 10 месяцев назад +1

    My theory is that Cogita is Cynthia’s current ancestor, and Volo is Cynthia’s ancestor from even longer time ago than PLA. It is hinted at in Volo’s dialogue during the final fight

  • @Luke0193
    @Luke0193 7 месяцев назад

    I'm so glad I never have to open PLA ever again. The immense rage this game has filled me with

  • @hiroshotreplica
    @hiroshotreplica Год назад +8

    I always thought cogita was apart of volo's family somehow. Perhaps volo being a false ancestor of sorts, with cynthia actually being cogita's direct descendant. Idk though, i didnt really think about it

  • @Kumahachi8
    @Kumahachi8 Год назад +1

    It’s implied that Cogita wrote the Old Verse, though, so it’s possible that she’s an older relative, or even an ancestor, of Volo. In the Old Verse, it states that the author will “spend an eternity” in Hisui for the player to arrive, and other parts of the Old Verse seem to imply that, when they say “eternity,” they mean it quite literally, so the implication is that Cogita is very, very old and that something has extended her lifespan.

  • @Livi-chan435-xq6vy
    @Livi-chan435-xq6vy 8 месяцев назад +1

    I love how the fandom agrees that Volo is a low class Cynthia

  • @cy-bernet-ix
    @cy-bernet-ix Год назад +4

    i think volo is from a time before cogita, being *her* ancestor, but travelling *forward* in time while he was young to meet her when she was older.

  • @StevenMcSteve
    @StevenMcSteve Год назад +3

    Isn't cogita just volos grandma or something? I swear that was mentioned somewhere

    • @BJGvideos
      @BJGvideos 6 месяцев назад

      They're never even implied to be related

    • @StevenMcSteve
      @StevenMcSteve 6 месяцев назад

      @@BJGvideos they both look like each other and that's basically enough evidence in legends arceus if we're gonna believe some of the other ones here

  • @Hozagen
    @Hozagen Год назад +1

    It makes more sense that Volo is a time traveler from the past of a more ancient civilization and Cogita is a descendant of him or of his people

  • @kingdomofnerdz1497
    @kingdomofnerdz1497 Год назад +1

    Clover (one of the Miss Fortune sisters) looks a lot like Candice, the Ice type gym leader in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. And Arezu (the woman who opens a hair salon later in the game) resembles Commander Mars of Team Galactic.

  • @fox_sox
    @fox_sox Год назад +3

    Well, they could both be related to her. Both just have to have kids separately and then those kids could get together which could lead to Cynthia. It’s in the past so there’s gotta be a few more generations between Cynthia and the two.
    Or alternatively, they just get together themselves. Not impossible.

  • @Solaceon
    @Solaceon Год назад +5

    Okay, maybe I'm nuts but Volo being an ancestor of Cynthia was not immediately obvious to me. I saw the name and the color of the hair and was like "guess that's Volkner?" and didn't think about it again. Man was I surprised when he stomped my ass with Cynthia's team!
    Edit: I think both Cogita and Volo are Cynthia's ancestors. In her bloodline's past there were powerful and fascinating people. It makes sense she'd obsess over history and wanting to know more-real life people do the same with genealogy.

  • @_marshP
    @_marshP 14 дней назад

    Volo, Cogita, and Cynthia are the biggest mysteries in the game.

  • @xSharpW
    @xSharpW 3 месяца назад

    Such a cool thing that Legends did that isn't talked about enough...Wally is the descendant of a god damn Ninja...like come on man that's amazing.

  • @jonarhax3388
    @jonarhax3388 5 месяцев назад +3

    My theory is volo was sent to the future a while ago, so he's actually from the pokemon version of greek mythology and sent to hisui, so while cogita is the "modern ancestor" of Cynthia, Volo essentially is cogita's ancestor too. The whole thing about sinnoh blood and volo not having it is this sinnoh blood happened after his time (greece) when one of volo's descendants got with someone that began the bloodline

  • @gameb9oy
    @gameb9oy 6 месяцев назад +1

    I think Cogita actually implies that despite the resemblance, Cynthia might not be directly related to either Cogita or Volo. The three actually all resemble the lake trio, with Cynthia being mesprit, Cogita Uxie, and Volo finally with Azelf.

  • @danielmota3228
    @danielmota3228 4 месяца назад

    The music in the video hooked me in one second. Man, this is the best pokémon game ever

  • @AndGoatz04
    @AndGoatz04 Год назад

    Wally.
    *that damn kid got potential, i tell ya that much...*

  • @artisticsmeargel4019
    @artisticsmeargel4019 8 месяцев назад +1

    Cogita is Cynthia’s great grandma because in the dp and plat and bdsp Cynthia‘s grandmother says that her mother met the spirits and cogita does confirm she has a daughter

  • @UltraCenterHQ
    @UltraCenterHQ 7 месяцев назад

    Cogita and Volo are probably Cynthia's like 10xgreat grandparents