I got spoiled on the Giratina fight but even when I got to it shivers went down my damn spine after the beat dropped as it changed form. Truly intimidating!
For me the way Volo emphasizes how he is PARTNERED with giratina as a cohort rather than just a trainer who forcibly subdued it with some generic item is what makes him so amazing a villain. We get usually legendaries are used by humans as tools for their own goals, in this case giratina and volo have coinciding goals, making them so much more terrifying.
I found his overall dimeanor disquieting. He doesn't express desires the way other villains have who seek power. The fact that he was so calm and composed in expressing his desires and threatening you. Then after being defeated he was still calm because he knew he had a deity backing him which explains why he would feel victory was inevitable. And at that moment we finally get to see the malicious look in his eyes as if he's spearing you in the gut with Giratina by his side. He has a disquieting gaze like Cyrus as well being so certain in their mission. But this gut does it with such a friendly smile. That is terrifying and artful
Volo have Togekiss. This man's ace is the epitome of friendship and peace. I swear all of his team are all unhinged. Volo'd be like, "Team, today we will befriend the satan." And all of them is like, "Let's do it bestie!"
I did beat it on my first try. Lobunny honestly carried. Then again I did focus more on completing the pokedex entries than the story, so I may have been much stronger than I should’ve been.
@@montelt7103 Same. I overlevelled by about 10 levels, and even then 5 of my Pokemon were defeated. Ended up having to use a max revive on my Samurott and sacrifice my Infernape to deal the finishing blow on Giratina.
I mean; it is a _double-boosted_ Box Legendary. So, yea it's bound to be tough, Volo straight up casually cheating lol! Add to that Giratina's Ability is merely Pressure - but PLA has no Abilities (lame) so that vastly cripples the ahem,, ability of your team to control and beat down on Volo. Plus status moves are massively nerfed. It's a fake set-up.
Arceus Players: "Volo being evil was such a good twist." My sister, seconds after seeing Volo for the first time: "I don't trust him, he looks like he's going to betray you."
Has she played Diamond and Pearl? Because I think what made it a good twist was that all of the sus things he did were covered up by his relation to Cynthia, so we didn’t see any of what he did as red flags, instead we just saw it as, “so that’s where Cynthia got that”
@@screwdiscordthatswhyyeahsc2989 She's more of an anime watcher, actually. I definitely know what you mean, though, if she hadn't said anything, I probably would have gone the entire game without suspecting him either.
Can we just take the time to realize that Volo and Giratina very likely met up and started their collaboration right before Arceus dragged you in. He was on his own journey at the exact same time you were. Forming his own team. Raising his own levels. In contact with Giratina just like how you were with Arceus in your arc-phone. He was a rival on top of all of this.
Though, I do think it's funny that some random guy slid into satans Dms. And can just "Hey, Do you want to help me kill this teenager?" And giratinas like "I have nothing better to do so why not?" Like they have known each other since childhood.
@@JixxarEntropy You've watched Mr1upz, haven't you? That's where "slid into Satans Dms" came from. Mr1upz is an even better Pokemon RUclipsr than JPR is.
@@JixxarEntropy I agree. Glad to see another Mr1upz fan here. That guy's hilarious on top of being knowledgeable about Pokemon. One of my favourite videos is the Pokemon Villains one because it has clever lines like Lysandre being "in two minds", referencing how his goals are slightly different depending on which game you play, and Gliscor being "a wild card" which references how versatile it is.
I find it kind of hilarious that the only character that seem to live up to Cynthia memorable battle (aside from Red) is literally her own ancestor. Goes to show that the only way beat Cynthia’s iconic battle is to make another Cynthia.
@@abdullahigurhan5465 True, I can’t argue with that. N had more of a impact to the story compare to Cynthia and his showdown was incredibly cool since it’s a Yin vs Yang battle, two goods fighting to see who’s was really in the wrong. However what makes Cynthia/Volo such a memorable fight wasn’t because it was hard but it was putting you to the test. Learning type match ups, adjust your team, preparing held items, and even using Pokémon you normally don’t use just to counter one of they’re Pokémon.
But it's really cleaver writing too because Volo's betrayal wound be as impactful if we didn't already know who Cynthia is. It relies on our prior knowledge and expectations to deliver a surprising but satisfying twist!
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi Despite all the memes portraying Cynthia as this ammoral tyrant that slaughters children on a daily basis, at the end of the day, she's still a kind, responsible, and if the anime is anything to go by, a kinda dorky woman who's every bit as human as she is strong. Volo is the meme of Cynthia realized into a character. Cynthia has always been the strongest trainer in Sinnoh, and could pretty much take on anyone by herself, with her only challenge being the player. Volo is the same, as he is literally the only other character in the game capable of wielding six pokemon at a time, or even eight depending on your criteria.
Even being 10 levels over, I only survived the fight on my first attempt with only my Umbreon remaining. I knew we'd have a full fight against Volo eventually throughout the game, but I wasn't scared of it until the piano started playing, and that didn't even count the Giratina fights after. Best fight Pokemon has made in quite a while, and I wish I could repeat the fight over and over because it was so much fun.
Same, except it was my sneasler that won me the battle instead with a crit dire claw that poisoned. Idk how but it tanked through an earth power and lived on like 12 hp😂
Basically what Game Freak did was. Using Cynthia's legendary career as a Ptsd Inducer. Using Cynthia's intro music as battle music, which thanks to her 5th gen surprise visit it became more synonym of the second coming of the Grim Reaper than her actual battle theme. Breaking Not only TWICE the law of only 6 pokemon for battling but on top no heal between. It's just magistral.
My top three Pokémon battles of all time are now: Gold vs Red, Cynthia's Gen 5 surprise, and Volo. I was NOT prepared for Cynthia popping up in Pokémon Black but somehow managed to push my way through first try with my level 63 Samurott and 5 super unlevelled Pokémon that were thrown out as cannon fodder so I could heal Samurott. Considering her team was all level 75 and are all pretty busted as it is, I don't know how I got through with just Samurott. And that made Volo's fight even more amazing for me because I chose Oshuwatt. I was originally going Cyndaquil ever since we first saw the starters for Legends, until it came to actually picking. There was just something about the way Oshuwatt was looking at me that made me go "Actually, I'm picking him." And now I know why. Samurott wanted to come with me once again to take out this bloodline in battle.
Volo's entire team composition is literally how I do teambuilding. Dual types with no duplicates, for extreme versatility. This battle was probably as close as I'll ever get to a true mirror match in Pokémon.
I minimize duplicate types but often monotypes are kinda nice like how electric types were only weak to ground. Dunno if they have more now. So if you don't think the opponent has a ground move switches are easier.
I actually called the Volo twist early on, but it was mostly a joke based on pretty shaky reasoning. I looked at the alliteration of the Diamond and Pearl clans following Dialga and Palkia and thought "Oh, so Gingko Guild must be connected to Giritina." I was thinking of him as Puppet Master Volo the whole game, laughing the whole time.
The 'ergo sum' thing actually works for Cynthia too. 'Sentio ergo sum' means 'I feel, therefore I am', which links the three characters to the three components of human spirit embodied by the Lake Trio: wisdom, emotion and willpower. This is such a good analysis! The story buildup, the character, the Pokémon, the music, the cutscene, the battle, the reward. I love how you shed light on every little aspect that makes this fight stand out, especially the part about his Pokémon and the intentional concealing of his suspiciousness behind Cynthia's familiarity was very well explained imo. No, really, this video was super interesting to watch from start to end.
Yeah and I just noticed this but: Cynthia's hair accessory things look sorta like Mesprit in a way. Not sure if thats intentional but I just find it interesting
"Yes, I finally beat him!" Giratina: "Here comes the pain!" "Finally beat Giratina!" **Guitar riff intensifies** Giratina-Origin: "How cute, you thought it was over."
@@Code_Lune Same. Props for the difficulty, but I was not a fan of Shadow Force. Like JPR said, ended up facing something far worse: RNG. And RNGesus did not smile on me.
Cynthia wasn’t “dethroned”, her throne just gained some “platinum” touches to it. I also love Giratina's spin as you explain how great its theme and entrance is.
@@tedstrange4486 Nope, because Volo is related to her, She wasn't "dethroned" That throne is now her official birthright! That's no throne, that's her inheritance!
I agree. Volo's fight being so impactful relies heavily on expectations players had due to their previous familiarity with Cynthia. And at the same time, Volo fight retroactively makes Cynthia's legacy even more impactful and impressive. It's symbiotic. Cynthia's future informs our expectations of Volo's past while Volo's past further elevates Cynthia's future. And that's just good storytelling.
I just LOVE that they always make Cynthia the most overpowered enemy in the entire franchise. So much, that they made her ANCESTOR one of the scariest boss battles in the whole franchise.
Personally, I think it's amazing that Volo has such an upper hand with the battle system. He genuinely has far more experience using it than anyone else in the world. He's one of the very first Pokemon Masters. The man was ready to go challenge God Himself to rewrite the world, he had to be ready for any challenge. The determination to achieve his life long dream, even at the cost of his best customer.
I mean yes he's strong but he is ultimately using a _Double-boosted_ Box Legendary. And Abilities are taken out for this game - so that vastly cripples the player rather than the opposing AI who just usually spam attacks. But arguably the biggest flaw is the awful battle 'system' combined with the total nerfage of Status.
@@recusantvessel What? 😂 Such a random and simpleton reply. Not that you care but you missed the whole point. Obviously anyone in the end can beat him but it's funny how people compare him to Cynthia. She plays by normal gaming rules; this guy is out here grabbing all sorts of artificial boosts and a 1-turn Custom priority Shadow Force lmao. It's cool for the game but a totally fake set up if you're comparing to any E4 member.
When I initially fought Volo, I was unceremoniously ripped a new one. My underleveled team was not prepared to go against his literal team of champions, and I sorely paid the price. So I had to train. And grind. For 13 days, on and off, I planned, strategized, and organized and reorganized my team until I was finally ready to rematch Volo. And while I had initially failed due to poor decision-making, my rematch immediately afterward became a battle to go down in history. I was down to the wire with only one Pokémon left when I finally felled my last opponent. I felt ecstatic. Nothing could ever take this win away from me. And then Giratina appeared.
@@marindafirestax4146 nah it's good, I ended up overleveling and rebuilding my team over the next month and then proceeded to punt his literal godforsaken face into the sun
Another neat little detail is Volo is a "Wielder," not a "Trainer." He wields power, in a way uncaring of how it affects others. He's using Pokemon as a tool, not because he truly enjoys battling.
All of the people using Pokemon from battles are called wielders because most likely the terminology of training a Pokemon for battle hasn’t been popularly used yet
Absolutely LOVE the idea that this battle causes Giratina to stop Cyrus in Platinum! This was a really strong video as a whole explaining why Volo worked and commentary on other games was solid as well.
I do love the fact that Volo's battle often results in an "eye for eye" battle trading pokemon back and forth, it makes it feel like a real challenge and threat. I will never forget my first attempt to the battle: Trading pokemons with Volo by constant revenge killing until only my weavile and scizor remained, then giratina comes in. Scizor goes down putting a good fight leaving giratina under half hp, weavile strikes him down with a crit night slash. "That's it, that was hard" I though as Giratina eyes suddenly glared red and a solo guitar kicked in, transformed into origin form and oneshots weavile with aura sphere. I didn't felt bad or frustrated for loosing, instead I felt so hyped. Pokemon has never done something like this, and getting my ass beaten after such an epic battle with 3 freaking phases when the usual thing in pokemon is to steamroll anything in your way felt SO refreshing and good.
I was like: "phew, that was close, very fun battle-" Giratina: reverts to origin form Me: HAHA! I thought I wouldn't be able to flex my combos in this game!
I was kinda of irritated by the way the battle system played out in the final fight, just one shotting each other back and forth since I just brought a team of alpha pokemon I caught that were at the same level as volos team. It was just boring and there didnt see to be any room for strategy in this fight beyond hope you are bulky enough to survive a attack from one of his mon's and get a knock out advantage on him or just grind a solid 10 level advantage. It seems the combat systems invalidates bulky pokemon from being effective and even with a heavy speed advantage using a agile form move I was never able to out speed his next pokemon after a knockout. I suppose that the battle system has just become more simple perhaps, although it being much faster paced then other pokemon games which is a good thing.
@@liampokemaster Pretty much, the change from turn based to CTB combat does not help pokemon combat at all. Removes a big portion of the strategy and end ups creating this back and fort trading of pokemons, the biggest issue comes from the fact that you cant input atacks, items, or even swap pokemon when the one you have in the field is too slow to have the initiative which in turns removes any kind of counterplay and enforces trading pokemon after pokemon. A cool mixup of turn based + CTB with pokemons having their turns for attacks be directed by the current system but adding a turn based input for trainer actions (items and pokemon swaping) could fix most of those problems tbh. Lucky the game doesnt have pvp cos would be absolutely atrocious with the current system.
I suspected Volo of being a twist villain from the first time I met him in Jubilife Village. I looked at him and how he talked and thought, "Oh, he's gonna betray us later." After that, the game gave me very little to support that, but it stuck in the back of my mind. I talked to a friend who was further in the game than me and told him, "I'm trying to play with no spoilers, so don't react to this AT ALL, but Volo gives me bad vibes. I think he'll be a twist villain?" and all they said was that the final boss was kicking their ass over and over. Finally I got to the end of the game, got banished and helped by Volo, and eventually caught both Palkia and Giratina... and Volo was redeemed in my eyes. After how big a help he was, I totally didn't suspect him of anything at all. In the postgame, hunting down the legends, I saw it as totally in character for Volo to help. Then we got to Mt. Coronet and he spoke about Arceus and Giratina and how much he hated his childhood and I realized, "Oh... I was totally right from the beginning." Followed by climbing to Spear Pillar and revealing HE opened the Space-Time Rift (which I expected to go totally unexplained!), and then the piano... I screamed. He revealed his new clothes and Cynthia's theme started, and I screamed. And I sat there, stunned. I didn't even let it get to the theme proper, I heard the intro notes and was too stunned. The scales played and then all went silent until I recovered and pressed A and the battle began, and the music proper continued. And he kicked my ass. He kicked my ass 9 times in a row. The only way I managed to beat him after so many tries was to go back, get to Star Rank 9, and use the 10 Rare Candies to shove my Alpha Garchomp to lvl 100, and even then, I only beat Giratina by the skin of my ass. Absolutely epic boss fight.
@@sworbet7708 I had to do some research, then build and grow a team to FINALLY beat him, even then it was all by chance since that giratina dodged everything so I died an extra 2 times. That was the first time I've had to strategize since Ghestis from BW
My thoughts on Volo were the same. distrust, redeemed like five minutes before his Giratina statue monologue, evil. Also, did no one pay attention to his speech in front of the statue? Everyone is so surprised at the revel but the man LITERALLY glowered at the camera and villain laughed before that. I beat him one try because I had a little warning and no dignity. (double digit max revives, I play like that)
Thats hilarious cuz I was so taken aback of what just happened I didn't press A for a while either. But my extra shock was dude I only have 4 pokemon with me, I wasn't expecting this. Oh 4v6 ok lets rock, I'll use everything if I have to cuz this isn't a fair fight. Done ohhh ok Round 2 really? Done ohhh of course you want more. Salty you had twice my numbers huh xD
A small hint to the Giratina Fight is that Volo’s Theme isn’t just a recreation of Cynthia’s Theme…it’s the Cynthia Encounter Theme….the Theme that plays before the Final Battle. Like the Cynthia Encounter Theme, Volo’s Battle Theme is but a Prelude to The True Final Battle.
Yeah I feel that too but regardless of if you beat it first try or not, it says “finally” because it had 2 phases, as in its telling you there isn’t any more phases or battling
In all the years I've played Pokemon; Volo or specifically Origin Giratina is the ONLY battle I've stopped and grinded in order to beat I usually just bash my head into them until they capitulate but I knew that this battle would require more power!
Late I know, I just have to say that having the camera positioned in a way where it looks like Giritinna’s wing unfurls from Volo’s back is brilliant, as if HE is the monster and not Giratinna, HE is the one unfurling his wicked wings and showing his true colors, going as far as to use what is essentially a fallen angel in an attempt to reach god
@@Houtblokje That is only from a leak, so take it with a grain of salt. Especially since they said "Its a fully open world adventure" that you can complete in any order (Which, if their is no scaling. Then that contradicts what it is trying to go for)
Volo to Lysandre: Oh, you're a villain alright! Just not a super one! Lysandre: Yeah? What's the difference? (Giratina appears behind him) Volo: *Presentation.* Okay, now that I got the meme out of the way, WHAT A FIGHT THIS WAS! I was one of the lucky few who actually won because I prepared and it STILL managed to tear me apart. Giratina is supposed to be a crazy strong, aggressive, and deadly Pokemon and it managed to do that flawlessly. Volo's character was written in such a way that I NEVER considered him a plot point. Well, until I was spoiled by a Mixeli THUMBNAIL. But even when I knew... I had doubts. He was just Cynthia's great grandfather, right? He's exploring myths, doing what any researcher would do, hypothesizing, and being a little cheeky in the process. I relate him to the Happy Mask Salesman from Majora's Mask. He is a twist villain done RIGHT. And that whole argument of "Oh I knew he was the bad guy because he taught you the back strike" is absolute hogwash. What makes a twist villain obvious is giving them a hairstyle that screams "HEY LOOK, I'M A MAJOR PLOT POINT!!! HAHA I'M SURE YOU WON'T EXPECT ME TO BE RELAVENT LATER!" I think giving Volo a hat was the best thing they did. Well, not just that, but his design says, "Hey, I'm a trustworthy and friendly guy." And will consistently do things to gain your trust. The yellows and blues in his modest outfit says nothing extreme. While Lysandre looks like he's got a crocodile skin chair behind a black and red table, with ashtray that is a little dirty from all the cigars he smokes. And the minute I saw Lusamine, I thought, "How is this crazy woman going to mess up the environment?" Then Rose... you get the picture. Volo? He has no organization. He is the silent knife in your back that you never see coming and he now contends with my favorite character along with N and Guzma.
I absolutely love how the familiarity and comfort of what we know of Cynthia throws us off of Volo…and then Cogita, the real good-natured Cynthia ancestor, is introduced while simultaneously she calls out Volo for not being so great. I was expecting him to pull a Xenoblade Chronicles 1 spoilers Dickson moment at Temple of Sinnoh when he said he was just gonna hang back while you dealt with Sinnoh, but instead you get a whole postgame with him and building up to his betrayal and I love it so much. My favorite thing about his battle though is how personal it feels. No other Pokemon main villain is close enough to you in your journey, and with the reveal that he’s the one who opened the rift it changes everything about your relationship because he’s the whole reason you (and poor Ingo!) were stolen from your original worlds, and he doesn’t even seem the least bit apologetic. Never since Ghetsis did I want revenge on a pokemon villain so badly
I remember how relieved I felt after I beat Giratina. I hadn’t expected this to happen, I hadn’t trained my Pokémon too high so I had a way tougher time than most probably did. It just felt amazing after I was able to beat Giratina and I still had two members left And then Giratina went into its second phase
I think the only bad thing about the battle is that it isn't repeatable. I understand that they don't want you to come back with lv 100s and wipe him, but I really don't want to have to go through the entire game to fight him again.
I didn’t care because I was so hyped at first, but now that it’s been a bit and I’ve beaten the game and stuff, I think voice acting would’ve made that cutscene so much better. I think voice acting is the big next step Pokemon needs to take to really pull everything together
That would be cool and make the cut scenes so immersive!! But if there was voice acting, there needs to be an option to turn the voices off as well (don't know if that's the standard in games with voice acting or not). A lot of 'anime character' voices just bother me, and it'd be jarring to hear people talk when I'm playing a game to get some alone time
@@ey1615 Casual Pokémon fans always being like Ew tHE grAPhICs aRE sO bAD!111!1!!!1 Like dude the graphics aren't bad you just have standards that are way to high. I never said the graphics are good, but the graphics don't have to be good for it to look cool.
I like to think that Cynthia knows about Volo and his connection to Giratina either because its a dark family secret or maybe because she simply researched him. After all in Platinum she seems to be the only person to know of Giratinas existence. Maybe she sought out Giratinas help to stop Cyrus at Spear Pillar. That would explain why she only shows up after Giratina had already taken Cyrus to the Distortion World. And the fact that she basically replicated his team (aside from Hisuian Arcanine which simply doesn't exist in modern day Sinnoh anymore) shows that she has some sort of admiration for Volo but unlike him she wants to use her knowledge to help protect the world.
Legends Arceus is a MASTERPIECE! I absolutely love how they gave us the history of my favorite region in Pokémon. This game touched my childhood as an adult 😭
"Then he scores a critical hit and it feels like a chainsaw just went flying through the chessboard" I whole-heartedly agree with this statement And this was frustrating, but in a good way, not an "Enamorus is flying around in the bogs so I can't run up to it to keep the stun chain going" kind of way. It was a well deserved difficult battle to really make the new battle system shine brightly.
You know, throughout the game, I made a serious effort to keep stocked up on various items. I had over 100 of the base level of each ball, 60 of the great and ultra varients of each. I kept 40 potions of every level, and 20 each of my revives and max revives. I kept 10 max elixers, and constantly stocked my oran berries to 100. This was because all the crafting materials were free and just right there. And I refrained from abusing this massive pool of gear. I held out until the game said "actually, no you don't win" for the second time in a row. That's when I threw out honor and pulled out my big pharma investments.
Legit after I lost the first time, this lvl 85 alpha Garchomp I caught consumed so many Grit rocks, pebbles, crumbs, scraps, you name it... lets just say Volo and Giratina would've been better off in the distortion world.
This was definitely my favorite fight in the series. I went into it completely blind. I lost to Volo my first time and trained up a little. After coming back and beating him, I was shocked to see Giratina. I lost twice to this fight and on my fourth attempt, I finally beat Volo and Giratina, only to find out I wasn’t done and Giratina transformed into its origin forme. After 6 total attempts I finally won. This fight will always have a special place in my heart as after winning, I felt I had EARNED that victory. I really hope gamefreak does more battles like this in the future.
I haven’t raged while getting my ass handed to me in Pokémon battle in a looooonnnggg time (looking at you Cynthia/darkrai from PMD) I was getting legit rage, straight cussing, insulting his whole being, saying how bs this fight is etc. Immediately after winning, I sang its praises. Went through so many emotions. I’m also so happy my boi Giratina is getting the recognition and respect he deserves
I am very happy with how they did Volo and Cogita, how their characters would allude to how we know Cynthia today. I was disappointed that Cynthia's character or her family was not expanded on in BDSP, but Legends Arceus gave me more that out right reshape Cynthia's legacy that this is the most satisfying experience overall.
@@LucarioShirona i dont blame ilca much. It was they're first time making a full game and it was both clearly pushed onto them while gf worked on legends and rushed if the funny amount of glitches say anything
@@blitz4779 you’re right. And there’s not anything we can do about it. But I think despite ILCA’s lack of input from GAMEFREAK, they did a really good job with the game, even making the Gym Leaders much more challenging, and what they did with Cynthia was excellent.
I had to spam Max Revives like I don't know what, but thankfully I was able to take Volo & that ghost demon down! Thankfully, my Slyveon was able to lower offensive stats with constant Mystical Fires. Once Giritina runs out of Shadow Force, you should be good if you don't have types weak to Aura Sphere, Earth Power & Dragon Pulse I think was the other move...
Dragon Claw. I beat him using Lunar Blessing from Cresselia and spamming Moonblast since I tricked the AI into using Aura Sphere, a move that can't miss.
@@averytubestudios Lunar blessing is the only reason I won. I used it against his roserade and had time to revive pokemon, then had a full team of six against Giratina.
after spending hours trying to beat him and eventually giving up i did 1 fight yesterday and completely destroyed giratina because he didnt use shadow force once
Or just get to level 70 and one shot each pokemon to clutch a win with your last pokemon, his team is strong but the whole team, including both guratinas, can be one shot quite easily, my team was hisuian decidueye, alpha luxray, alpha hisuian arcanine, alpha hisuian zoroarc, origin palkia, and origin dialga
I’ve literally said from the moment I reached the second area in this game that it’s my favorite Pokémon game of all time and I started playing Pokémon when I was 8 when heart gold and soul silver came out. I know it’s not perfect but it’s a step towards what I’ve always wanted from Pokémon and I really hope that we get more games like this
I think Volo is the only one who refers to himself as a “Pokémon wielder” (even the game calls him that). I think Kamado or Laventon might call you that later, I’m not sure, it just gives off a sinister and controlling vibe. Despite the fact that Togepi can only evolve with max friendship.
I always love it when friendship evolutions Pokemon are on villain team showing that they were either good with Pokemon at one point or still had something redeeming about them.
I kinda just want to drop this ball… Pokémon could probably follow propaganda, too. Volo could spout nonsense of “I love this world, so I must rebuild it” or his “friendly” attitude with Rei/Akari and everyone in Jubilife could be his way of manipulating the people around him. Togepi/tic/kiss probably just saw his “love” for the world and listened to his nonsense. That’s deep for Pokémon. But maybe I’m just reading too much into it.
This was the best fight in the franchise in my oppinion. The battle system even added to it in my eyes bc it was indeed like a chess game. I actually had to plan after my failed attempts. And the trading pokemon actually felt like the two most powerful pokemon trainers fighting at the best strenght.
The two trainers trading Pokémon against eachother is such a good point, it really does feel like the two strongest trainers in this era are going back and forth with eachother. That is a huge part on why this battle was one of the best ever in Pokémon
@@zaihu1278 I actually enjoyed how he didn’t have an evil team because he despises other humans and only considers himself worthy of Arceus. I think it’d be better to keep it that way.
@@pooppooper9033 oh yeah no i loved that, im saying what if his vision created an evil team, kinda like team yell (where marie or whatever her name was didn’t approve of this) but they were actually evil
@@zaihu1278 it’d be a cool concept, but the fact that he is already serving Arceus in a twisted way makes more sense that they’d be some type of cult, which he would oppose, since he wouldn’t consider them worthy. Maybe after his death some people decided to pick up the pieces of his legacy (similar to team galactic if they were after Arceus)?
I thought you were going to mention how this berk was the only one who really abused the Strong-Agile System, because after you KO one of his Pokémon he'll send out a counter to your current one, and then use a combo of super effective Agile-Normal attacks in a row to revenge kill you. You aren't getting away unscathed in this battle.
This battle was one of the most insane things GF ever did. We need more of this. I was spoiled and won by first try, but it was still tough one. I beat Volo with 2 fainted mons. And with Giratina I just constantly switched between Zoroark and Braviary.
My opinion about Volo before: "He's a cool dude. Just like his descendant." Later after revealing his true nature during his betrayal: "That.... bastard." Managed to beat him and Giratina on my first try however. Even after being blind sighted by Giratina's in-battle form change. But Cynthia was mightier than him.
@@connormclernon26 I think it's the exact opposite I think it's a perfect example of what Cynthia could have become but she didn't it makes her look even better in my opinion showing how she had all the talent to become a villain but she was a hero
In my opinion volo was way harder than cynthia I had like 4 pokemons left in my battle against cynthia I lost to volo I have never lost in a pokemon battle except for red on my first fight so volo and red hold a special part
I love how the volo battle at the end was like, 'yeah we could have had more epic battles, if we wanted' it was like a conscious choice- this is a time before pokemon trainers, why would there be battles around every corner?
I remember, after seeing people talk about how amazing Cynthia was, I got to her and she was one of the only champions I've beaten first try, people kept telling me "oh it's your fault for actually using the legendarys" but then I got to volo, with my entire team of legendarys, and the first try he beat me without even getting to giratina.
Well, considering they got like the same team, either you played very poorly against Volo, or there was a huge difference in levels in either Volo or Cynthia's fight.
Yeah, the original Cynthia battle was brutal. First, you don't have exp share that boosts the whole team level, so grinding will be needed. Second, garchomp back then was a monster since fairy type didn't exist. Future generation after XY really made the game too easy imo. Pokemon Legends adds a lot of new elements, so it's not comparable, which is why I love this game so much
Even tough I saw Volo's betrayal coming, it still kind of broke my heart and everytime I hear the start of Giratina's theme, I imagine Volo's face laughing maniacally with the desire to kill me. It hurts so much! I don't know how many times I lost before I managed to win, but I was so focused just because I thought that if I win, Volo would become good and be my friend again (in your typical anime kind of way). It didn't happen though TT^TT I really enjoyed this part of the game!
@@I.T.P We can only hope. If Cyrus is capable of a redemption arc (and apparently a new job at the Battle Tower if BDSP is to be believed) then so's someone like Volo.
Volos whole character and how he betrays you in the end genuinely made him my favourite villain in pokemon to date, plus he does have the drip of a god
I always felt that Volo was being used by Giratina as a puppet to get back at Arceus for banishing it to the Distortion world and gave valo the spooky plate to drive his Ambitions to find the plates and open the space time rip above Mount Coronet!
This was truly an epic battle, I honestly was so surprised at the three phases. I think it’s the hardest battle I’ve faced in a mainline game, and every part of it was fantastic.
There is so many cool small details in this fight. The start of the final phase’s music has a beat that sounds like a heartbeat getting faster as Giratina enters it’s final form. Also, in the cutscene where Giratina reveals itself behind Volo, it’s first wing comes out while Volo is slightly in frame, giving him a symbolic look of a one-winged fallen angel. God, it’s *chef’s kiss* perfect.
If someone still has problems: use cresselia. It is enough to beat all 8 alone if you use these moves: calm mind to strengthen it at the beginning and each time it's worn off then it's signature Lunar Blessing after first receiving damage. For offense use psychic and moon blast.
Ultra necrozma, my first ever majorly difficult pokemon boss, tore me down to size, roadblocking me over 1000 times over the course of a year. Today, years later, I prepared. I bought all the healing items I needed, overleveled, balanced my team to perfection... I walked out with one pokemon, and if that last hit missed I would have lost. Congratulations Volo. You have given me a fight that, even with how far I've come, left me battered and bruised. And congrats to Kazuma Iwao, for giving me not one but two challenges that have seared into my brain.
It’s really interesting seeing Volo who wants to become god so much that he even designs his hair style after Arceus, is also the being who is possible furthest from God out of any characters in the story. The dynamics of a protagonist who loves the world as it is and goes through the story constantly being the person to change minds from fearing the Pokémon that live in it into loving them becoming the one chosen to meet its creator instead of the one who wants to meet Arceus to change this world is kind of amazing.
Every time I hear Giratina's theme kick in, I get shivers down my spine just thinking about this fight, it had such a powerful impact, that I can't see myself forgetting any time soon
It comes from a need to rush games to make as much money as possible. Also because 'fans' demand a new pokemon game every single year (proof with the 9th gen) which results in unpolished games. Legend of Arceus is great but not amazing, and it definitely could have looked better.
@@catscanhavelittleasalami They were definetly working on gen 9 before this year. Im pretty sure they had one team working on legends arceus which was basically like a test to see the communitys reaction to the new system. Then they now finalize gen 9 when they got the positive feedback
10:34 See, this is why I don’t like the Pokémon community. For S/M, US/UM and SW/SH they all complained it was “too easy” “ I beat it first try” “game freak fix your games” but as soon as they fight a hard opponent they say “this is unfair” “rng sucks” “the game mechanics are stupid”. Like, really? They complain for hard battles then they complain for easy ones? It’s to hard, they hate it if it’s too easy they hate it and if it’s mediocre they write 10 page long internet posts. Yeah. It’s weird.
Volo was definitely the hardest fight in this game for me. I think Cynthia's Rematch in Bdsp was more difficult (it took me 3 tries) also the greevil fight you don't get healed. but still Volo still pushed me to use one item (Max Revive) just to win on my first attempt. good video
But the Cynthia fight in BDSP can be cheesed by the power of X items, none of that is available here. Which proves that X items are more busted than perfect evs and ivs.
@@justinr.507 idk I NEVER use legendary in my team's ever volo was so hard I had to use a legendary and items like max revive and revive and potions and I still had 1 pokemon left after the battle against volo 😭
I love how this is built up by our experience with Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum. The battle by itself in any other game would’ve been great. But the connection between Volo and Cynthia, and then the PTSD hearing those first few piano notes puts this battle over the top
I remember breathing a sigh of relief after the first Giratina battle and then seeing it transform I got terrified, it took me roughly five tries to final beat it
Three things with the music that I especially love. When the battle opens you get a grandiose opening as Volo sets Spiritomb to fight. throughout the game you have seen three of his Pokemon. a Togepi, a Gibble, and now a Spiritomb. chances are if you recognized Cynthia's music you also recognize half of her team. then silence as you throw out your Pokemon to face him. only once the battle begins does the music resume with that iconic piano. something I feel is missing in a lot of remixes and uploads of the music honestly there is just something missing without that moment of silence. "Face me then, for I have nothing to lose and everything to gain" When you beat Volo the music used is not only the title screen music from dppt, it doesn't resolve into anything and just hangs there leaving the tension of the battle unresolved. "the battle isn't over yet, you can't relax now" Then with Giratina entering phase 2 along with the guitar riff to open Giratina's platinum theme is a beep at pace of a heart beat. a beep at the same tone used throughout the Pokemon games to alert the player that your Pokemon is at low HP and about to faint. "something is about to die and it ain't Giratina"
GF: Alright It's a final battle, make it difficult but it's like the 8th battle in the game so it doesn't have to go hard. Iwao: *Makes the best and one of the hardest final Pokémon battles ever*
One of my favorite little hints thats easy to miss when you arent looking into it too much is that when you're first meeting Cogita, he has a slip of the tongue that Cogita sasses him for, referring to the Ginkgo guild as if he isn't a member
I personally love how Volo's version of the theme is very him. I think the grand orchestral music, and particularly the piano around 1 minute and 40 seconds in, with a lot of, what could reasonably be described as just kinda, pressing some random keys to someone who isn't paying much attention, conveys very well just how unhinged he really is inside.
My first attempt at volo I lost badly enough that I reshaped half my team. Then lost again. But I had an idea for attempt 3. That only worked because togekiss missed air slash. Use purugly to bait lucario in second, which was a good pokemon to let lilligant set up to drill through his team, leaving me with 5 pokemon for the giratinas. And I still barely won.
I enjoy how the music will wait for you if Volo's betrayal leaves you stumped and blue screening. The opening refrain plays but it won't continue past until the battle officially starts. Gives an opportunity for the fearful to fake themselves out thinking the opening refrain was just a figment of their imagination. Then spiritomb hits the field and once 'Battle!' Fades off screen the music kicks back in to solidify the terror
So glad you were able to put into words the incredibly climactic feelings of satisfaction and perfection this battle had, especially the points about future ramifications in giratinas “character”. Idc what what anyone says, this game is as perfect a Pokémon game can be
I love the fact that my fight with Volo ended with my level 60, 5% health, Liligant dodging an attack and decking Giratina's lights out. It felt like an actual anime ending.
I LOVED this battle. ugh everything about it was just. Amazing. You feel betrayed by Volo's true colors.. then chills when the MUSIC comes out. and any veteran pokemon player would instantly recognize the music along, and the lastly as your brain is piecing all of it together, You see the first pokemon that's thrown out- everything instantly makes sense and suddenly you KNOW who he is without a doubt. / if you havent suspected it already.
The entire climactic series of events towards the end of this game's story has got to be one of the best things constructed for a Pokémon game in a very long time. My first time getting to that point of following Volo around and realizing how batshit crazy he turned out to be was amazing. All of it leading up to the inevitable challenge at Spear Pillar. There was no amount of preparing I could have done to have actually been prepared for this battle. I was already at the edge of my seat playing through this part, but then that Cynthia music kicked in. I was now losing it. I lost my first attempt, no shock there.. I didn't bother to bring healing items as I hadn't really used them much for the playthrough. Round 2 vs Volo I did some team management and brought some healing items along this time. I still wasn't prepared for what was to come. I beat Volo's 6th Pokémon, but it quickly became clear what was coming next. Giratina came in, and after some trouble and realizing I couldn't catch it yet; Giratina took me out. Round 3, I thought 'well cool, Knowledge is power.' I just didn't know enough. I didn't even level up or anything, I just went straight back in with better team management to be sure I had enough to take out the Giratina. I was down to 2 Pokémon left and took him down. Had such a feeling of great accomplishment washing over me as I watched his HP drop. And then that cutscene and the swelling of music hit me... There's not a single word that I could use to describe the mixed bag of emotions I felt at that moment. In all of my playing Pokémon history, this is the first time I've had to work this hard for anything. And I LOVE this game for that. Eventually after a little more leveling up, Round 4 vs Volo and Giratina would be my victory, and the taste it left in my soul is perfect.
I had multiple thoughts about Volo’s twist from this game and one was why couldn’t they do this with Leon in SW/SH instead of having Rose just be evil because we need a villain
I half expected that playing through the game, given how much praise was being heaped onto Leon at every corner. At the very least, I wished they deepened Leon's character a bit. He's a bit of a Mary Sue.
At first, I figured Rose was rigging the matches to depict Leon as the strongest and would become his pawn to control Eternatus. Kinda like a warped version of Ghetsis grooming N to obtain Zekrom/Reshiram.
@@TheReaperofHades honestly that would have been an extremely interesting plot and actually have Leon be "easier" then what he was supposed to be depicted as such as making mistakes quite often and have Rose as the final boss where he turns out to be just as strong as Cynthia with his team. Also have hints of it through out the game with the gym leaders hint at it when you beat them
@@BJGvideos there aren't any "evil" characters in sw/sh, which has its pros storytelling wise. However, I would mind having another scheming sociopath like Ghetsis in the upcoming games. Those kinds of characters can be so much fun. We almost got that with Volo trying to destroy the universe and kill you with giratina, but even then he seemed more psychotic than evil. Having a villain like that in a family friendly franchise like pokemon is a risk but I think it can still be done effectively.
Awesome video. My girlfriend finally got to this part of the game and she was floored by both the betrayal and the Giratina fight. PLA is such a wonderful game to play and I really hope all that worked about that game is at the forefront of Scarlet and Violet as well.
Honestly, I haven't lost so badly in my life before in a Pokemon game, and in multiple phases at that! Also helped that this game SERIOUSLY encourages you to switch out Pokemon a lot though.
Definitely the best fight in all of Pokemon in my opinion. It was challenging and had a cool bs gimmick. I hope we see more battles like this in SV. This battle revived my love for Pokemon
Same. It made me feel excited ! It forced me to think carefully about my moove ( last time i took a battle in pokemon seriously was in black and white 2 ). In the end i used my hisuan liligant and tanked with the dance moove that increase the stats. I healed all my team that was down and then used alolan ninetales to blow giratina up. I sincerely hope there will be challenges in scarlet and violet. Forcing you to think about your strategy.
I only had my Porygon Z at the end of that fight, and it was lucky, cause Giratina has a fighting move that would have one shot KO'ed it. That critical ice beam really saved me. It took two tries before I got him down. My secret was to have a high defense, high HP tank that could take the blows while I use full revives to fix those who are needed. There is a theory that Volo is actually a time traveler, but not the same way you are, but instead, from the distant past, ancient Celestia. hence his outfit looking so archaic... I think it would be a cool nod if he returned in some form. One of the best villains.
This fight was so amazing. It really gets you to WANT to win no matter how long it takes. It was the fight that got me to try and take on other hard fights in the series like Veteran Trainer Shaun in Pokémon Black & White after giving up on beating him years ago.
I always knew there was something off on Volo (except I always thought he was arceus in human form) this though, this is just peak of what Pokémon is, this is by far my favorite game and battle so far, no other battle besides the end of X&Y has ever evoked such emotion, such excitement, such genuine thrill
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Volo be like:
You thought Cynthia was the toughest Pokemon trainer, but it was me, Volo!
I got spoiled on the Giratina fight but even when I got to it shivers went down my damn spine after the beat dropped as it changed form. Truly intimidating!
I had to Cheese Heal to win the giratina fight; I used a high-speed crobat to get some really fast healing items. Even then, that’s the third attempt.
@@officersoulknight6321
I beat Volo on my first try because I had Max revives and Full restores
liar seeing how the battle system sucks, wait your non human soul group thats why your a product and a......
I honestly love how they hinted that he had the Spooky Plate by making him say "Boo" everytime we ran into him.
I never thought of that, but you’re right!
Oh wow...That's a great catch!
PFFFTTTTT YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT
Bruuuuuh
I should’ve known by the time he taught us the sneak strike
For me the way Volo emphasizes how he is PARTNERED with giratina as a cohort rather than just a trainer who forcibly subdued it with some generic item is what makes him so amazing a villain. We get usually legendaries are used by humans as tools for their own goals, in this case giratina and volo have coinciding goals, making them so much more terrifying.
I found his overall dimeanor disquieting. He doesn't express desires the way other villains have who seek power. The fact that he was so calm and composed in expressing his desires and threatening you. Then after being defeated he was still calm because he knew he had a deity backing him which explains why he would feel victory was inevitable. And at that moment we finally get to see the malicious look in his eyes as if he's spearing you in the gut with Giratina by his side. He has a disquieting gaze like Cyrus as well being so certain in their mission. But this gut does it with such a friendly smile. That is terrifying and artful
Volo have Togekiss. This man's ace is the epitome of friendship and peace. I swear all of his team are all unhinged. Volo'd be like, "Team, today we will befriend the satan." And all of them is like, "Let's do it bestie!"
Only N and the Pokemon ranger games have done that so far
@@averagegenzguy2751 my boi N
it's the same thing with N and Reshiram (Canonic) which i prefer tbh.
My favorite part is that when you win, the text says “you finally beat giratina!” As if the game knows well that you didn’t beat it on your first try
But it’s because you beat it once then it comes back again with full hp
I did beat it on my first try. Lobunny honestly carried. Then again I did focus more on completing the pokedex entries than the story, so I may have been much stronger than I should’ve been.
@@montelt7103 Same. I overlevelled by about 10 levels, and even then 5 of my Pokemon were defeated. Ended up having to use a max revive on my Samurott and sacrifice my Infernape to deal the finishing blow on Giratina.
@@potentpotassium5776 I had overquil and honestly even with his crappie sp atk it made giratina easier.
I mean; it is a _double-boosted_ Box Legendary. So, yea it's bound to be tough, Volo straight up casually cheating lol!
Add to that Giratina's Ability is merely Pressure - but PLA has no Abilities (lame) so that vastly cripples the ahem,, ability of your team to control and beat down on Volo. Plus status moves are massively nerfed. It's a fake set-up.
Arceus Players: "Volo being evil was such a good twist."
My sister, seconds after seeing Volo for the first time: "I don't trust him, he looks like he's going to betray you."
xD
Has she played Diamond and Pearl? Because I think what made it a good twist was that all of the sus things he did were covered up by his relation to Cynthia, so we didn’t see any of what he did as red flags, instead we just saw it as, “so that’s where Cynthia got that”
@@screwdiscordthatswhyyeahsc2989 She's more of an anime watcher, actually.
I definitely know what you mean, though, if she hadn't said anything, I probably would have gone the entire game without suspecting him either.
That’s exactly what I said. He radiated suspiciousness from literally his first line
That was me too he was sus
Can we just take the time to realize that Volo and Giratina very likely met up and started their collaboration right before Arceus dragged you in. He was on his own journey at the exact same time you were. Forming his own team. Raising his own levels. In contact with Giratina just like how you were with Arceus in your arc-phone.
He was a rival on top of all of this.
Oh my god, this!
Though, I do think it's funny that some random guy slid into satans Dms.
And can just "Hey, Do you want to help me kill this teenager?" And giratinas like "I have nothing better to do so why not?" Like they have known each other since childhood.
@@JixxarEntropy You've watched Mr1upz, haven't you? That's where "slid into Satans Dms" came from. Mr1upz is an even better Pokemon RUclipsr than JPR is.
@@tomnorton4277 Hey, It was a good joke
@@JixxarEntropy I agree. Glad to see another Mr1upz fan here. That guy's hilarious on top of being knowledgeable about Pokemon. One of my favourite videos is the Pokemon Villains one because it has clever lines like Lysandre being "in two minds", referencing how his goals are slightly different depending on which game you play, and Gliscor being "a wild card" which references how versatile it is.
I find it kind of hilarious that the only character that seem to live up to Cynthia memorable battle (aside from Red) is literally her own ancestor. Goes to show that the only way beat Cynthia’s iconic battle is to make another Cynthia.
N is better in my opinion. That legendary clash is not to be underestimated
@@abdullahigurhan5465 True, I can’t argue with that. N had more of a impact to the story compare to Cynthia and his showdown was incredibly cool since it’s a Yin vs Yang battle, two goods fighting to see who’s was really in the wrong. However what makes Cynthia/Volo such a memorable fight wasn’t because it was hard but it was putting you to the test. Learning type match ups, adjust your team, preparing held items, and even using Pokémon you normally don’t use just to counter one of they’re Pokémon.
But it's really cleaver writing too because Volo's betrayal wound be as impactful if we didn't already know who Cynthia is. It relies on our prior knowledge and expectations to deliver a surprising but satisfying twist!
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi Despite all the memes portraying Cynthia as this ammoral tyrant that slaughters children on a daily basis, at the end of the day, she's still a kind, responsible, and if the anime is anything to go by, a kinda dorky woman who's every bit as human as she is strong.
Volo is the meme of Cynthia realized into a character. Cynthia has always been the strongest trainer in Sinnoh, and could pretty much take on anyone by herself, with her only challenge being the player. Volo is the same, as he is literally the only other character in the game capable of wielding six pokemon at a time, or even eight depending on your criteria.
It's like in The Incredibles.
Unbeatable. The only thing that can best it is...
Itself?
Even being 10 levels over, I only survived the fight on my first attempt with only my Umbreon remaining. I knew we'd have a full fight against Volo eventually throughout the game, but I wasn't scared of it until the piano started playing, and that didn't even count the Giratina fights after. Best fight Pokemon has made in quite a while, and I wish I could repeat the fight over and over because it was so much fun.
I find it funny how everyone I’ve talked to so far that beat him first try had an Umbreon on their team😂Same goes for me too lol
There's a mod in game banana that lets you rematch him!
Same, except it was my sneasler that won me the battle instead with a crit dire claw that poisoned. Idk how but it tanked through an earth power and lived on like 12 hp😂
Bruh I was like 5 levels lower. It took me like 13 attempts.
..... i was 6 levels under and sweeped 5 of his pokemon with loppuny.....
Basically what Game Freak did was.
Using Cynthia's legendary career as a Ptsd Inducer.
Using Cynthia's intro music as battle music, which thanks to her 5th gen surprise visit it became more synonym of the second coming of the Grim Reaper than her actual battle theme.
Breaking Not only TWICE the law of only 6 pokemon for battling but on top no heal between.
It's just magistral.
basically it's cynthia copying his great grandfather's career. you got that twisted mate.
Her*
My top three Pokémon battles of all time are now: Gold vs Red, Cynthia's Gen 5 surprise, and Volo.
I was NOT prepared for Cynthia popping up in Pokémon Black but somehow managed to push my way through first try with my level 63 Samurott and 5 super unlevelled Pokémon that were thrown out as cannon fodder so I could heal Samurott. Considering her team was all level 75 and are all pretty busted as it is, I don't know how I got through with just Samurott.
And that made Volo's fight even more amazing for me because I chose Oshuwatt. I was originally going Cyndaquil ever since we first saw the starters for Legends, until it came to actually picking. There was just something about the way Oshuwatt was looking at me that made me go "Actually, I'm picking him."
And now I know why. Samurott wanted to come with me once again to take out this bloodline in battle.
Also the theme that plays when Volo reveals himself is Cynthia’s battle theme but epic
Oshuwatt was like "I'm not done with your bloodline you shall pay for the surprise battle "
Volo's entire team composition is literally how I do teambuilding. Dual types with no duplicates, for extreme versatility. This battle was probably as close as I'll ever get to a true mirror match in Pokémon.
Overload is a surprisingly effective strategy when done correctly though. Wish some Elite 4 could actually show its true potential.
I go with the chaos strategy meaning I have higher levels pokemon whilst also having a sorta random assortment of types
I minimize duplicate types but often monotypes are kinda nice like how electric types were only weak to ground. Dunno if they have more now. So if you don't think the opponent has a ground move switches are easier.
Same with Cynthia. Girl has good genes.
I had to pull into the legendary pot to even beat volos main team giratina was a scarier surprise than waiting for tax day to roll on by.
I actually called the Volo twist early on, but it was mostly a joke based on pretty shaky reasoning. I looked at the alliteration of the Diamond and Pearl clans following Dialga and Palkia and thought "Oh, so Gingko Guild must be connected to Giritina." I was thinking of him as Puppet Master Volo the whole game, laughing the whole time.
so you didn’t catch it
The 'ergo sum' thing actually works for Cynthia too. 'Sentio ergo sum' means 'I feel, therefore I am', which links the three characters to the three components of human spirit embodied by the Lake Trio: wisdom, emotion and willpower.
This is such a good analysis! The story buildup, the character, the Pokémon, the music, the cutscene, the battle, the reward. I love how you shed light on every little aspect that makes this fight stand out, especially the part about his Pokémon and the intentional concealing of his suspiciousness behind Cynthia's familiarity was very well explained imo. No, really, this video was super interesting to watch from start to end.
So all of them represent the lake guardians
Its beautiful
@@blitz4779 YOOOOOOOOOOOO HOLLUP THAT'S DOPE
Yeah and I just noticed this but: Cynthia's hair accessory things look sorta like Mesprit in a way. Not sure if thats intentional but I just find it interesting
@@RandomGoldieStuff they really played the long game with cynthia
@@blitz4779 indeed they did
"Yes, I finally beat him!"
Giratina: "Here comes the pain!"
"Finally beat Giratina!"
**Guitar riff intensifies**
Giratina-Origin: "How cute, you thought it was over."
the range of emotions in this fight is unreal lol
@@JPRPokeTrainer98 For sure. It took me 7 tries, and I had a good 8-10 levels on his entire team.
I was like: “No wait, that’s illegal!”
@@Code_Lune Same. Props for the difficulty, but I was not a fan of Shadow Force. Like JPR said, ended up facing something far worse: RNG. And RNGesus did not smile on me.
I beat him in 1 try lol
Cynthia wasn’t “dethroned”, her throne just gained some “platinum” touches to it. I also love Giratina's spin as you explain how great its theme and entrance is.
Cynthia was 100% dethroned
@@tedstrange4486 Nah.
@@tedstrange4486 Nope, because Volo is related to her, She wasn't "dethroned" That throne is now her official birthright! That's no throne, that's her inheritance!
I agree. Volo's fight being so impactful relies heavily on expectations players had due to their previous familiarity with Cynthia. And at the same time, Volo fight retroactively makes Cynthia's legacy even more impactful and impressive.
It's symbiotic. Cynthia's future informs our expectations of Volo's past while Volo's past further elevates Cynthia's future.
And that's just good storytelling.
@@blazingsonic well, then she Has dissapointed her ancestor, If you want to See it Like that.
I just LOVE that they always make Cynthia the most overpowered enemy in the entire franchise. So much, that they made her ANCESTOR one of the scariest boss battles in the whole franchise.
Personally, I think it's amazing that Volo has such an upper hand with the battle system. He genuinely has far more experience using it than anyone else in the world. He's one of the very first Pokemon Masters. The man was ready to go challenge God Himself to rewrite the world, he had to be ready for any challenge. The determination to achieve his life long dream, even at the cost of his best customer.
I mean yes he's strong but he is ultimately using a _Double-boosted_ Box Legendary.
And Abilities are taken out for this game - so that vastly cripples the player rather than the opposing AI who just usually spam attacks. But arguably the biggest flaw is the awful battle 'system' combined with the total nerfage of Status.
@@netweed09 pretty damn Sure you'll need a Double-Boosted Box of a Legendary to Fight against the God of Pokemon Himself.
@@recusantvessel What? 😂 Such a random and simpleton reply. Not that you care but you missed the whole point. Obviously anyone in the end can beat him but it's funny how people compare him to Cynthia. She plays by normal gaming rules; this guy is out here grabbing all sorts of artificial boosts and a 1-turn Custom priority Shadow Force lmao. It's cool for the game but a totally fake set up if you're comparing to any E4 member.
@@netweed09 just git gud idk
@@recusantvessel Tell yourself troll $pammer lol.
When Giratina manifested behind Volo I legitimately screamed. This battle is probably my favorite in the series
I was the same when the "wing" first popped out the portal because it looks like its come straight out of Volo's back and looked incredible
@@Hannah4765 I was scared because I thought that Volo was Giratina in disguise.
@@PeyPeySupreme He is, but in fanfictions only.
@@aelegriniv1649 AYO? Gimme the link
@@aelegriniv1649 link?
When I initially fought Volo, I was unceremoniously ripped a new one. My underleveled team was not prepared to go against his literal team of champions, and I sorely paid the price.
So I had to train. And grind. For 13 days, on and off, I planned, strategized, and organized and reorganized my team until I was finally ready to rematch Volo.
And while I had initially failed due to poor decision-making, my rematch immediately afterward became a battle to go down in history. I was down to the wire with only one Pokémon left when I finally felled my last opponent. I felt ecstatic. Nothing could ever take this win away from me.
And then Giratina appeared.
That must have been heart shattering bro, I'm scared to play legends of Arceus now-
@@marindafirestax4146 nah it's good, I ended up overleveling and rebuilding my team over the next month and then proceeded to punt his literal godforsaken face into the sun
@@eblu_ haha, nice!
@@eblu_ Next M-M-Month?!?!?!
@@eblu_ bro i've been on this fight for one day and i have reached Origin Forme Giratina twice i wish my level 85 Garchomp would listen to me :(
Another neat little detail is Volo is a "Wielder," not a "Trainer." He wields power, in a way uncaring of how it affects others. He's using Pokemon as a tool, not because he truly enjoys battling.
Actually all trainers in LA are called wielders
All of the people using Pokemon from battles are called wielders because most likely the terminology of training a Pokemon for battle hasn’t been popularly used yet
And also because Trainer didn't exist yet.
That’s also what Cyrus thinks about Pokémon
I think he kinda does care about pokemon cause the only way to get togekiss is with friendship so its pretty cool
Absolutely LOVE the idea that this battle causes Giratina to stop Cyrus in Platinum! This was a really strong video as a whole explaining why Volo worked and commentary on other games was solid as well.
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Volo: You’re a villain alright, just not a super villain!
Necrozma: oh, yeah what’s the difference?
Volo: presentation!
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I do love the fact that Volo's battle often results in an "eye for eye" battle trading pokemon back and forth, it makes it feel like a real challenge and threat. I will never forget my first attempt to the battle: Trading pokemons with Volo by constant revenge killing until only my weavile and scizor remained, then giratina comes in. Scizor goes down putting a good fight leaving giratina under half hp, weavile strikes him down with a crit night slash. "That's it, that was hard" I though as Giratina eyes suddenly glared red and a solo guitar kicked in, transformed into origin form and oneshots weavile with aura sphere.
I didn't felt bad or frustrated for loosing, instead I felt so hyped. Pokemon has never done something like this, and getting my ass beaten after such an epic battle with 3 freaking phases when the usual thing in pokemon is to steamroll anything in your way felt SO refreshing and good.
And the few times they do have a multi stage battle they go "oh noes you are so good lemme heal your pokemon real quick"
@@shifting3306 yep, this time the trauma from the last bout of fighting sticks
I was like: "phew, that was close, very fun battle-"
Giratina: reverts to origin form
Me: HAHA! I thought I wouldn't be able to flex my combos in this game!
I was kinda of irritated by the way the battle system played out in the final fight, just one shotting each other back and forth since I just brought a team of alpha pokemon I caught that were at the same level as volos team. It was just boring and there didnt see to be any room for strategy in this fight beyond hope you are bulky enough to survive a attack from one of his mon's and get a knock out advantage on him or just grind a solid 10 level advantage. It seems the combat systems invalidates bulky pokemon from being effective and even with a heavy speed advantage using a agile form move I was never able to out speed his next pokemon after a knockout. I suppose that the battle system has just become more simple perhaps, although it being much faster paced then other pokemon games which is a good thing.
@@liampokemaster Pretty much, the change from turn based to CTB combat does not help pokemon combat at all. Removes a big portion of the strategy and end ups creating this back and fort trading of pokemons, the biggest issue comes from the fact that you cant input atacks, items, or even swap pokemon when the one you have in the field is too slow to have the initiative which in turns removes any kind of counterplay and enforces trading pokemon after pokemon.
A cool mixup of turn based + CTB with pokemons having their turns for attacks be directed by the current system but adding a turn based input for trainer actions (items and pokemon swaping) could fix most of those problems tbh. Lucky the game doesnt have pvp cos would be absolutely atrocious with the current system.
I suspected Volo of being a twist villain from the first time I met him in Jubilife Village. I looked at him and how he talked and thought, "Oh, he's gonna betray us later." After that, the game gave me very little to support that, but it stuck in the back of my mind. I talked to a friend who was further in the game than me and told him, "I'm trying to play with no spoilers, so don't react to this AT ALL, but Volo gives me bad vibes. I think he'll be a twist villain?" and all they said was that the final boss was kicking their ass over and over.
Finally I got to the end of the game, got banished and helped by Volo, and eventually caught both Palkia and Giratina... and Volo was redeemed in my eyes. After how big a help he was, I totally didn't suspect him of anything at all. In the postgame, hunting down the legends, I saw it as totally in character for Volo to help.
Then we got to Mt. Coronet and he spoke about Arceus and Giratina and how much he hated his childhood and I realized, "Oh... I was totally right from the beginning." Followed by climbing to Spear Pillar and revealing HE opened the Space-Time Rift (which I expected to go totally unexplained!), and then the piano...
I screamed. He revealed his new clothes and Cynthia's theme started, and I screamed. And I sat there, stunned. I didn't even let it get to the theme proper, I heard the intro notes and was too stunned. The scales played and then all went silent until I recovered and pressed A and the battle began, and the music proper continued.
And he kicked my ass. He kicked my ass 9 times in a row. The only way I managed to beat him after so many tries was to go back, get to Star Rank 9, and use the 10 Rare Candies to shove my Alpha Garchomp to lvl 100, and even then, I only beat Giratina by the skin of my ass.
Absolutely epic boss fight.
This is a great read! Congratz and what an awesome journey!
@@sworbet7708 I had to do some research, then build and grow a team to FINALLY beat him, even then it was all by chance since that giratina dodged everything so I died an extra 2 times. That was the first time I've had to strategize since Ghestis from BW
My thoughts on Volo were the same. distrust, redeemed like five minutes before his Giratina statue monologue, evil. Also, did no one pay attention to his speech in front of the statue? Everyone is so surprised at the revel but the man LITERALLY glowered at the camera and villain laughed before that. I beat him one try because I had a little warning and no dignity. (double digit max revives, I play like that)
Thats hilarious cuz I was so taken aback of what just happened I didn't press A for a while either. But my extra shock was dude I only have 4 pokemon with me, I wasn't expecting this. Oh 4v6 ok lets rock, I'll use everything if I have to cuz this isn't a fair fight. Done ohhh ok Round 2 really? Done ohhh of course you want more. Salty you had twice my numbers huh xD
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A small hint to the Giratina Fight is that Volo’s Theme isn’t just a recreation of Cynthia’s Theme…it’s the Cynthia Encounter Theme….the Theme that plays before the Final Battle. Like the Cynthia Encounter Theme, Volo’s Battle Theme is but a Prelude to The True Final Battle.
I like how the game taunted you by saying “you finally beat Giratina” as if it knew about the grinding you possibly went on
Yeah I feel that too but regardless of if you beat it first try or not, it says “finally” because it had 2 phases, as in its telling you there isn’t any more phases or battling
In all the years I've played Pokemon; Volo or specifically Origin Giratina is the ONLY battle I've stopped and grinded in order to beat
I usually just bash my head into them until they capitulate but I knew that this battle would require more power!
Late I know, I just have to say that having the camera positioned in a way where it looks like Giritinna’s wing unfurls from Volo’s back is brilliant, as if HE is the monster and not Giratinna, HE is the one unfurling his wicked wings and showing his true colors, going as far as to use what is essentially a fallen angel in an attempt to reach god
This game made a legendary feel so badass. Hardest Pokémon game, I want more. I love this game.
This shouldn’t be an exception, but the new standard for Pokémon games
Yes enough with the remakes already. Trailblaze a new trail game freak
@KingKami No level scaling makes me fear
@@Houtblokje That is only from a leak, so take it with a grain of salt. Especially since they said "Its a fully open world adventure" that you can complete in any order (Which, if their is no scaling. Then that contradicts what it is trying to go for)
@@HallowedKeeper_ Yeah, i still have hope but if they really did something as dumb as not having level scaling, that will make the game 1000x worse
Volo to Lysandre: Oh, you're a villain alright! Just not a super one!
Lysandre: Yeah? What's the difference?
(Giratina appears behind him)
Volo: *Presentation.*
Okay, now that I got the meme out of the way, WHAT A FIGHT THIS WAS! I was one of the lucky few who actually won because I prepared and it STILL managed to tear me apart. Giratina is supposed to be a crazy strong, aggressive, and deadly Pokemon and it managed to do that flawlessly. Volo's character was written in such a way that I NEVER considered him a plot point. Well, until I was spoiled by a Mixeli THUMBNAIL. But even when I knew... I had doubts. He was just Cynthia's great grandfather, right? He's exploring myths, doing what any researcher would do, hypothesizing, and being a little cheeky in the process. I relate him to the Happy Mask Salesman from Majora's Mask. He is a twist villain done RIGHT. And that whole argument of "Oh I knew he was the bad guy because he taught you the back strike" is absolute hogwash. What makes a twist villain obvious is giving them a hairstyle that screams "HEY LOOK, I'M A MAJOR PLOT POINT!!! HAHA I'M SURE YOU WON'T EXPECT ME TO BE RELAVENT LATER!"
I think giving Volo a hat was the best thing they did. Well, not just that, but his design says, "Hey, I'm a trustworthy and friendly guy." And will consistently do things to gain your trust. The yellows and blues in his modest outfit says nothing extreme. While Lysandre looks like he's got a crocodile skin chair behind a black and red table, with ashtray that is a little dirty from all the cigars he smokes. And the minute I saw Lusamine, I thought, "How is this crazy woman going to mess up the environment?" Then Rose... you get the picture.
Volo? He has no organization. He is the silent knife in your back that you never see coming and he now contends with my favorite character along with N and Guzma.
The yellows and blues in his normal outfit made me think he was Volkner's ancestor through out the whole game.
Until the music started...
I absolutely love how the familiarity and comfort of what we know of Cynthia throws us off of Volo…and then Cogita, the real good-natured Cynthia ancestor, is introduced while simultaneously she calls out Volo for not being so great.
I was expecting him to pull a
Xenoblade Chronicles 1 spoilers
Dickson moment at Temple of Sinnoh when he said he was just gonna hang back while you dealt with Sinnoh, but instead you get a whole postgame with him and building up to his betrayal and I love it so much.
My favorite thing about his battle though is how personal it feels. No other Pokemon main villain is close enough to you in your journey, and with the reveal that he’s the one who opened the rift it changes everything about your relationship because he’s the whole reason you (and poor Ingo!) were stolen from your original worlds, and he doesn’t even seem the least bit apologetic. Never since Ghetsis did I want revenge on a pokemon villain so badly
The line "you finally beat Giratina" made me laugh so hard because it was my 3rd day of tesing teams without overleveling to hell and back.
I beat on my 2nd try
I beat on my first
I remember how relieved I felt after I beat Giratina. I hadn’t expected this to happen, I hadn’t trained my Pokémon too high so I had a way tougher time than most probably did. It just felt amazing after I was able to beat Giratina and I still had two members left
And then Giratina went into its second phase
I think the only bad thing about the battle is that it isn't repeatable. I understand that they don't want you to come back with lv 100s and wipe him, but I really don't want to have to go through the entire game to fight him again.
Yeah, the only way you can repeat it is by constantly restarting with different teams.
I didn’t care because I was so hyped at first, but now that it’s been a bit and I’ve beaten the game and stuff, I think voice acting would’ve made that cutscene so much better. I think voice acting is the big next step Pokemon needs to take to really pull everything together
This is so true. I never cared that much about voice acting in Pokémon games before, but
"GIRATINA, STRIKE HER DOWN!"
changed that within seconds.
That would be cool and make the cut scenes so immersive!! But if there was voice acting, there needs to be an option to turn the voices off as well (don't know if that's the standard in games with voice acting or not). A lot of 'anime character' voices just bother me, and it'd be jarring to hear people talk when I'm playing a game to get some alone time
Why people still want voice acting from Nintendo after the godawful voice acting in BotW is beyond my understanding.
@@Savage-- Three Houses has wonderful voice acting
As long as they keep voice acting exclusively inside cutscenes it would definitely be an inprovement
That cutscene where Giratina shows up is epic. Both the visuals and music are so intense, they really nailed it with Volo.
imo it looks silly because the graphics and animations are so low budget
Great boss fight but visually it's anything but stunning
@@ey1615 Casual Pokémon fans always being like Ew tHE grAPhICs aRE sO bAD!111!1!!!1 Like dude the graphics aren't bad you just have standards that are way to high. I never said the graphics are good, but the graphics don't have to be good for it to look cool.
@@ey1615 imo the graphics aren't bad, I think the artstyle they were going for just didn't work out as well as they were hoping
I like to think that Cynthia knows about Volo and his connection to Giratina either because its a dark family secret or maybe because she simply researched him. After all in Platinum she seems to be the only person to know of Giratinas existence. Maybe she sought out Giratinas help to stop Cyrus at Spear Pillar. That would explain why she only shows up after Giratina had already taken Cyrus to the Distortion World.
And the fact that she basically replicated his team (aside from Hisuian Arcanine which simply doesn't exist in modern day Sinnoh anymore) shows that she has some sort of admiration for Volo but unlike him she wants to use her knowledge to help protect the world.
I like this theory
It also explains why she is paired with Giratina in Pokemon Masters
Legends Arceus is a MASTERPIECE! I absolutely love how they gave us the history of my favorite region in Pokémon. This game touched my childhood as an adult 😭
"Then he scores a critical hit and it feels like a chainsaw just went flying through the chessboard" I whole-heartedly agree with this statement
And this was frustrating, but in a good way, not an "Enamorus is flying around in the bogs so I can't run up to it to keep the stun chain going" kind of way. It was a well deserved difficult battle to really make the new battle system shine brightly.
You know, throughout the game, I made a serious effort to keep stocked up on various items. I had over 100 of the base level of each ball, 60 of the great and ultra varients of each. I kept 40 potions of every level, and 20 each of my revives and max revives. I kept 10 max elixers, and constantly stocked my oran berries to 100. This was because all the crafting materials were free and just right there.
And I refrained from abusing this massive pool of gear. I held out until the game said "actually, no you don't win" for the second time in a row. That's when I threw out honor and pulled out my big pharma investments.
You don't become champion without spamming Full Restores.
Legit after I lost the first time, this lvl 85 alpha Garchomp I caught consumed so many Grit rocks, pebbles, crumbs, scraps, you name it... lets just say Volo and Giratina would've been better off in the distortion world.
I didn't bother using the Grit items til I lost 3 times in a row
@@JanizMakudomaru a great reference
@@JanizMakudomaru a great reference
This was definitely my favorite fight in the series. I went into it completely blind. I lost to Volo my first time and trained up a little. After coming back and beating him, I was shocked to see Giratina. I lost twice to this fight and on my fourth attempt, I finally beat Volo and Giratina, only to find out I wasn’t done and Giratina transformed into its origin forme. After 6 total attempts I finally won. This fight will always have a special place in my heart as after winning, I felt I had EARNED that victory. I really hope gamefreak does more battles like this in the future.
I'm almost to this fight and I'm no where near ready
exact same thing happened to me 😹
@@raydonahue8304 don't sell your grit rocks 🤪
@@grandmasterflash3666 too late didn't care got even more than I sold
Haha i exact the exact same experience. Except i think it took me 5 tries instead of 6
If only Volo had an epic voice actor to go along with. Those cutscenes would have been other worldly!
I honestly dubbed Hisoka Jap VA over Volo in my mind
Pokemon NEEDS voice acting 😭. I know they can do it, considering the mc makes little noises when rolling, throwing, or when getting hurt, etc
I haven’t raged while getting my ass handed to me in Pokémon battle in a looooonnnggg time (looking at you Cynthia/darkrai from PMD) I was getting legit rage, straight cussing, insulting his whole being, saying how bs this fight is etc. Immediately after winning, I sang its praises. Went through so many emotions. I’m also so happy my boi Giratina is getting the recognition and respect he deserves
Legends achieved true JRPG status in this game with its "Psych! This isn't even my final form!" moment in the final battle 😂
I am very happy with how they did Volo and Cogita, how their characters would allude to how we know Cynthia today. I was disappointed that Cynthia's character or her family was not expanded on in BDSP, but Legends Arceus gave me more that out right reshape Cynthia's legacy that this is the most satisfying experience overall.
Legends seems to be picking up all of bdsp slack
@@blitz4779 yeah. I feel it’s because Ilca didn’t have a lot of input from Game Freak, which is too bad.
@@LucarioShirona i dont blame ilca much. It was they're first time making a full game and it was both clearly pushed onto them while gf worked on legends and rushed if the funny amount of glitches say anything
@@blitz4779 you’re right. And there’s not anything we can do about it. But I think despite ILCA’s lack of input from GAMEFREAK, they did a really good job with the game, even making the Gym Leaders much more challenging, and what they did with Cynthia was excellent.
@@ninja9567 what did they do with Cynthia that was excellent
I had to spam Max Revives like I don't know what, but thankfully I was able to take Volo & that ghost demon down! Thankfully, my Slyveon was able to lower offensive stats with constant Mystical Fires. Once Giritina runs out of Shadow Force, you should be good if you don't have types weak to Aura Sphere, Earth Power & Dragon Pulse I think was the other move...
Dragon Claw. I beat him using Lunar Blessing from Cresselia and spamming Moonblast since I tricked the AI into using Aura Sphere, a move that can't miss.
@@averytubestudios Lunar blessing is the only reason I won. I used it against his roserade and had time to revive pokemon, then had a full team of six against Giratina.
after spending hours trying to beat him and eventually giving up i did 1 fight yesterday and completely destroyed giratina because he didnt use shadow force once
Or just get to level 70 and one shot each pokemon to clutch a win with your last pokemon, his team is strong but the whole team, including both guratinas, can be one shot quite easily, my team was hisuian decidueye, alpha luxray, alpha hisuian arcanine, alpha hisuian zoroarc, origin palkia, and origin dialga
@@averytubestudios I did that against Volo’s main team and I took out 5 Pokemon before running out of PP and getting knocked out
I’ve literally said from the moment I reached the second area in this game that it’s my favorite Pokémon game of all time and I started playing Pokémon when I was 8 when heart gold and soul silver came out. I know it’s not perfect but it’s a step towards what I’ve always wanted from Pokémon and I really hope that we get more games like this
The fact that the music, the history, the character, and the battle itself really went well together is insanely phenomenal.
I think Volo is the only one who refers to himself as a “Pokémon wielder” (even the game calls him that).
I think Kamado or Laventon might call you that later, I’m not sure, it just gives off a sinister and controlling vibe. Despite the fact that Togepi can only evolve with max friendship.
I always love it when friendship evolutions Pokemon are on villain team showing that they were either good with Pokemon at one point or still had something redeeming about them.
Maybe his togepi have the same personality as volo??
I kinda just want to drop this ball… Pokémon could probably follow propaganda, too. Volo could spout nonsense of “I love this world, so I must rebuild it” or his “friendly” attitude with Rei/Akari and everyone in Jubilife could be his way of manipulating the people around him. Togepi/tic/kiss probably just saw his “love” for the world and listened to his nonsense. That’s deep for Pokémon. But maybe I’m just reading too much into it.
This was the best fight in the franchise in my oppinion. The battle system even added to it in my eyes bc it was indeed like a chess game. I actually had to plan after my failed attempts. And the trading pokemon actually felt like the two most powerful pokemon trainers fighting at the best strenght.
also the fact that not much is known about the new battle system, feels like playing pokémon for the first time and not understanding how speed works
The two trainers trading Pokémon against eachother is such a good point, it really does feel like the two strongest trainers in this era are going back and forth with eachother. That is a huge part on why this battle was one of the best ever in Pokémon
@@22jdawgjb exactly!!
Volo is basically the Sephiroth of Pokemon, and like him I hope he returns again, still seeking to ataing an audience with Arceus to control it.
what if he makes the first evil team
@@zaihu1278 I actually enjoyed how he didn’t have an evil team because he despises other humans and only considers himself worthy of Arceus. I think it’d be better to keep it that way.
@@pooppooper9033 oh yeah no i loved that, im saying what if his vision created an evil team, kinda like team yell (where marie or whatever her name was didn’t approve of this) but they were actually evil
@@zaihu1278 it’d be a cool concept, but the fact that he is already serving Arceus in a twisted way makes more sense that they’d be some type of cult, which he would oppose, since he wouldn’t consider them worthy.
Maybe after his death some people decided to pick up the pieces of his legacy (similar to team galactic if they were after Arceus)?
yeah yeah tahst what i mean, some people followed his ideals and created an evil team
I thought you were going to mention how this berk was the only one who really abused the Strong-Agile System, because after you KO one of his Pokémon he'll send out a counter to your current one, and then use a combo of super effective Agile-Normal attacks in a row to revenge kill you. You aren't getting away unscathed in this battle.
No, not dethroned. Cynthia's badassery was just so incredible it traveled through time with you and infected her ancestor.
Or is it genetic? As in she got it from him?🤔
This battle was one of the most insane things GF ever did. We need more of this.
I was spoiled and won by first try, but it was still tough one.
I beat Volo with 2 fainted mons. And with Giratina I just constantly switched between Zoroark and Braviary.
My opinion about Volo before: "He's a cool dude. Just like his descendant."
Later after revealing his true nature during his betrayal: "That.... bastard."
Managed to beat him and Giratina on my first try however. Even after being blind sighted by Giratina's in-battle form change. But Cynthia was mightier than him.
Same lol
It certainly puts Cynthia in a much darker light doesn’t it?
@@connormclernon26 I think it's the exact opposite I think it's a perfect example of what Cynthia could have become but she didn't it makes her look even better in my opinion showing how she had all the talent to become a villain but she was a hero
It’s cool how both Volo’s descendant and Giratina himself redeem themselves in dpp.
In my opinion volo was way harder than cynthia I had like 4 pokemons left in my battle against cynthia I lost to volo I have never lost in a pokemon battle except for red on my first fight so volo and red hold a special part
I love how the volo battle at the end was like, 'yeah we could have had more epic battles, if we wanted' it was like a conscious choice- this is a time before pokemon trainers, why would there be battles around every corner?
The Volo fight is one of my favorite fights. I literally cried during the whole time but I loved it.
One of the hardest battles I've experienced in an official pokemon game. Bravo Gamefreak!
I remember, after seeing people talk about how amazing Cynthia was, I got to her and she was one of the only champions I've beaten first try, people kept telling me "oh it's your fault for actually using the legendarys" but then I got to volo, with my entire team of legendarys, and the first try he beat me without even getting to giratina.
Well, considering they got like the same team, either you played very poorly against Volo, or there was a huge difference in levels in either Volo or Cynthia's fight.
@@enzomercier2789 Cynthia's is ten levels lower, and the affection system in bdsp is broken.
@@awesomegaymer5786 Ah, right, BDSP, sorry didn't play this one, I had the original one in mind.
Yeah, the original Cynthia battle was brutal. First, you don't have exp share that boosts the whole team level, so grinding will be needed. Second, garchomp back then was a monster since fairy type didn't exist. Future generation after XY really made the game too easy imo. Pokemon Legends adds a lot of new elements, so it's not comparable, which is why I love this game so much
@@quangvinh144 grinding is not a difficulty system. It's not hard to grind its tedious.
Even tough I saw Volo's betrayal coming, it still kind of broke my heart and everytime I hear the start of Giratina's theme, I imagine Volo's face laughing maniacally with the desire to kill me. It hurts so much! I don't know how many times I lost before I managed to win, but I was so focused just because I thought that if I win, Volo would become good and be my friend again (in your typical anime kind of way). It didn't happen though TT^TT I really enjoyed this part of the game!
Laventon seems to think he's capable of forgiveness. So maybe someday.
Well, Cynthia is his descendent, so maybe he gets his head on straight
@@I.T.P We can only hope. If Cyrus is capable of a redemption arc (and apparently a new job at the Battle Tower if BDSP is to be believed) then so's someone like Volo.
all of the subtle intricacies and attention to detail you pointed out makes me appreciate my favorite battle of all time even more! awesome vid : D
Are you gonna make a video on Gen 9?
Finally, satisfied distantkingdom
Volos whole character and how he betrays you in the end genuinely made him my favourite villain in pokemon to date, plus he does have the drip of a god
This battle with volo ALONE makes me want to replay legends arceus over and over and OVER again it is just so good AAA
I always felt that Volo was being used by Giratina as a puppet to get back at Arceus for banishing it to the Distortion world and gave valo the spooky plate to drive his Ambitions to find the plates and open the space time rip above Mount Coronet!
That's the reading that I got from it too
Then how was he able to seek it out to begin with? And why would it just run away from him?
Well yes, they were using each other. That is the point.
Tbh I like to believe Volo projected onto Giratina and that Giratina doesn’t really want revenge on Arceus, only Volo does
This was truly an epic battle, I honestly was so surprised at the three phases. I think it’s the hardest battle I’ve faced in a mainline game, and every part of it was fantastic.
There is so many cool small details in this fight. The start of the final phase’s music has a beat that sounds like a heartbeat getting faster as Giratina enters it’s final form. Also, in the cutscene where Giratina reveals itself behind Volo, it’s first wing comes out while Volo is slightly in frame, giving him a symbolic look of a one-winged fallen angel.
God, it’s *chef’s kiss* perfect.
If someone still has problems: use cresselia. It is enough to beat all 8 alone if you use these moves: calm mind to strengthen it at the beginning and each time it's worn off then it's signature Lunar Blessing after first receiving damage. For offense use psychic and moon blast.
I’ll use this to beat volo ive been struggling on him (I don’t have legends arceus and am lying)
So I solod giratina with a shiny espeon. It was surpris8ng for me. I love eevee tho. So it was nic3
Origin Forme opens with a super-effective Shadow Force.
Ultra necrozma, my first ever majorly difficult pokemon boss, tore me down to size, roadblocking me over 1000 times over the course of a year. Today, years later, I prepared. I bought all the healing items I needed, overleveled, balanced my team to perfection... I walked out with one pokemon, and if that last hit missed I would have lost. Congratulations Volo. You have given me a fight that, even with how far I've come, left me battered and bruised. And congrats to Kazuma Iwao, for giving me not one but two challenges that have seared into my brain.
It’s really interesting seeing Volo who wants to become god so much that he even designs his hair style after Arceus, is also the being who is possible furthest from God out of any characters in the story.
The dynamics of a protagonist who loves the world as it is and goes through the story constantly being the person to change minds from fearing the Pokémon that live in it into loving them becoming the one chosen to meet its creator instead of the one who wants to meet Arceus to change this world is kind of amazing.
Every time I hear Giratina's theme kick in, I get shivers down my spine just thinking about this fight, it had such a powerful impact, that I can't see myself forgetting any time soon
Pokemon has so much potential that goes unused for what ever reason. Every game seems to do so well in certain aspects and then lack in others.
That comes from having a giant fandom
It comes from a need to rush games to make as much money as possible. Also because 'fans' demand a new pokemon game every single year (proof with the 9th gen) which results in unpolished games. Legend of Arceus is great but not amazing, and it definitely could have looked better.
@@catscanhavelittleasalami They were definetly working on gen 9 before this year. Im pretty sure they had one team working on legends arceus which was basically like a test to see the communitys reaction to the new system. Then they now finalize gen 9 when they got the positive feedback
I mean yeah look at what Pokémon XD was originally gonna be… definition of unused potential
I can’t deny, the 6 v 8 fight vs Volo and Giritina twice is the best fight I’ve done in a Pokémon game whether it’s considered main series or not.
10:34 See, this is why I don’t like the Pokémon community. For S/M, US/UM and SW/SH they all complained it was “too easy” “ I beat it first try” “game freak fix your games” but as soon as they fight a hard opponent they say “this is unfair” “rng sucks” “the game mechanics are stupid”. Like, really? They complain for hard battles then they complain for easy ones? It’s to hard, they hate it if it’s too easy they hate it and if it’s mediocre they write 10 page long internet posts. Yeah. It’s weird.
Volo was definitely the hardest fight in this game for me. I think Cynthia's Rematch in Bdsp was more difficult (it took me 3 tries) also the greevil fight you don't get healed. but still Volo still pushed me to use one item (Max Revive) just to win on my first attempt. good video
But the Cynthia fight in BDSP can be cheesed by the power of X items, none of that is available here. Which proves that X items are more busted than perfect evs and ivs.
BDSP Cynthia is balls easy because of friendship
@@skullguy4863 then my luck must have been terrible for her battles
@@justinr.507 idk I NEVER use legendary in my team's ever volo was so hard I had to use a legendary and items like max revive and revive and potions and I still had 1 pokemon left after the battle against volo 😭
@@skullguy4863 for me cynthia was hard but volo was on another level I had 5 pokemons left after fighting cynthia but volo I only had 1 left
I love how this is built up by our experience with Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum. The battle by itself in any other game would’ve been great. But the connection between Volo and Cynthia, and then the PTSD hearing those first few piano notes puts this battle over the top
I remember breathing a sigh of relief after the first Giratina battle and then seeing it transform I got terrified, it took me roughly five tries to final beat it
Three things with the music that I especially love.
When the battle opens you get a grandiose opening as Volo sets Spiritomb to fight. throughout the game you have seen three of his Pokemon. a Togepi, a Gibble, and now a Spiritomb. chances are if you recognized Cynthia's music you also recognize half of her team. then silence as you throw out your Pokemon to face him. only once the battle begins does the music resume with that iconic piano. something I feel is missing in a lot of remixes and uploads of the music honestly there is just something missing without that moment of silence.
"Face me then, for I have nothing to lose and everything to gain"
When you beat Volo the music used is not only the title screen music from dppt, it doesn't resolve into anything and just hangs there leaving the tension of the battle unresolved.
"the battle isn't over yet, you can't relax now"
Then with Giratina entering phase 2 along with the guitar riff to open Giratina's platinum theme is a beep at pace of a heart beat. a beep at the same tone used throughout the Pokemon games to alert the player that your Pokemon is at low HP and about to faint. "something is about to die and it ain't Giratina"
"Something is about to die and it ain't Giratina" reminds me of "Something's rising and it's not the Metal Gear"
7:41 welcome to Japan the place where legends become your worst nightmare.
GF: Alright It's a final battle, make it difficult but it's like the 8th battle in the game so it doesn't have to go hard.
Iwao: *Makes the best and one of the hardest final Pokémon battles ever*
One of my favorite little hints thats easy to miss when you arent looking into it too much is that when you're first meeting Cogita, he has a slip of the tongue that Cogita sasses him for, referring to the Ginkgo guild as if he isn't a member
I personally love how Volo's version of the theme is very him. I think the grand orchestral music, and particularly the piano around 1 minute and 40 seconds in, with a lot of, what could reasonably be described as just kinda, pressing some random keys to someone who isn't paying much attention, conveys very well just how unhinged he really is inside.
My first attempt at volo I lost badly enough that I reshaped half my team.
Then lost again.
But I had an idea for attempt 3. That only worked because togekiss missed air slash. Use purugly to bait lucario in second, which was a good pokemon to let lilligant set up to drill through his team, leaving me with 5 pokemon for the giratinas. And I still barely won.
I enjoy how the music will wait for you if Volo's betrayal leaves you stumped and blue screening. The opening refrain plays but it won't continue past until the battle officially starts. Gives an opportunity for the fearful to fake themselves out thinking the opening refrain was just a figment of their imagination. Then spiritomb hits the field and once 'Battle!' Fades off screen the music kicks back in to solidify the terror
“Best Customer” feels like he’s hunting how you’re buying everything he’s telling you without question.
So glad you were able to put into words the incredibly climactic feelings of satisfaction and perfection this battle had, especially the points about future ramifications in giratinas “character”. Idc what what anyone says, this game is as perfect a Pokémon game can be
I love the fact that my fight with Volo ended with my level 60, 5% health, Liligant dodging an attack and decking Giratina's lights out. It felt like an actual anime ending.
I LOVED this battle. ugh everything about it was just. Amazing.
You feel betrayed by Volo's true colors.. then chills when the MUSIC comes out. and any veteran pokemon player would instantly recognize the music along, and the lastly as your brain is piecing all of it together, You see the first pokemon that's thrown out- everything instantly makes sense and suddenly you KNOW who he is without a doubt. / if you havent suspected it already.
The entire climactic series of events towards the end of this game's story has got to be one of the best things constructed for a Pokémon game in a very long time. My first time getting to that point of following Volo around and realizing how batshit crazy he turned out to be was amazing. All of it leading up to the inevitable challenge at Spear Pillar. There was no amount of preparing I could have done to have actually been prepared for this battle. I was already at the edge of my seat playing through this part, but then that Cynthia music kicked in. I was now losing it. I lost my first attempt, no shock there.. I didn't bother to bring healing items as I hadn't really used them much for the playthrough.
Round 2 vs Volo I did some team management and brought some healing items along this time. I still wasn't prepared for what was to come. I beat Volo's 6th Pokémon, but it quickly became clear what was coming next. Giratina came in, and after some trouble and realizing I couldn't catch it yet; Giratina took me out.
Round 3, I thought 'well cool, Knowledge is power.' I just didn't know enough. I didn't even level up or anything, I just went straight back in with better team management to be sure I had enough to take out the Giratina. I was down to 2 Pokémon left and took him down. Had such a feeling of great accomplishment washing over me as I watched his HP drop. And then that cutscene and the swelling of music hit me... There's not a single word that I could use to describe the mixed bag of emotions I felt at that moment.
In all of my playing Pokémon history, this is the first time I've had to work this hard for anything. And I LOVE this game for that. Eventually after a little more leveling up, Round 4 vs Volo and Giratina would be my victory, and the taste it left in my soul is perfect.
Man the scene leading up to "Giratina! Strike him down!" will forever be THE hardest in a Pokémon 3D game. I betcha.
I rarely felt so much energy in a Pokemon game as I did because of this Finale. This was a boss battle well done!
The “Agile” and “Strong” mechanic made this fight very hard. Revenge killing is so easy in this game.
I had multiple thoughts about Volo’s twist from this game and one was why couldn’t they do this with Leon in SW/SH instead of having Rose just be evil because we need a villain
I half expected that playing through the game, given how much praise was being heaped onto Leon at every corner. At the very least, I wished they deepened Leon's character a bit. He's a bit of a Mary Sue.
At first, I figured Rose was rigging the matches to depict Leon as the strongest and would become his pawn to control Eternatus. Kinda like a warped version of Ghetsis grooming N to obtain Zekrom/Reshiram.
@@TheReaperofHades honestly that would have been an extremely interesting plot and actually have Leon be "easier" then what he was supposed to be depicted as such as making mistakes quite often and have Rose as the final boss where he turns out to be just as strong as Cynthia with his team. Also have hints of it through out the game with the gym leaders hint at it when you beat them
I wouldn't call Rose evil. Sordward and Shieldbert are more evil than Rose could ever manage
@@BJGvideos there aren't any "evil" characters in sw/sh, which has its pros storytelling wise. However, I would mind having another scheming sociopath like Ghetsis in the upcoming games. Those kinds of characters can be so much fun. We almost got that with Volo trying to destroy the universe and kill you with giratina, but even then he seemed more psychotic than evil. Having a villain like that in a family friendly franchise like pokemon is a risk but I think it can still be done effectively.
Awesome video. My girlfriend finally got to this part of the game and she was floored by both the betrayal and the Giratina fight. PLA is such a wonderful game to play and I really hope all that worked about that game is at the forefront of Scarlet and Violet as well.
“Giratina strike him/her down”-Volo
One of the most coldest lines In Pokémon and by far one of the greatest anime betrayals
Honestly, I haven't lost so badly in my life before in a Pokemon game, and in multiple phases at that!
Also helped that this game SERIOUSLY encourages you to switch out Pokemon a lot though.
7:56 you spin me right around baby right around like a record baby-
5:18 god tier drip
Definitely the best fight in all of Pokemon in my opinion. It was challenging and had a cool bs gimmick. I hope we see more battles like this in SV. This battle revived my love for Pokemon
Same. It made me feel excited ! It forced me to think carefully about my moove ( last time i took a battle in pokemon seriously was in black and white 2 ). In the end i used my hisuan liligant and tanked with the dance moove that increase the stats. I healed all my team that was down and then used alolan ninetales to blow giratina up. I sincerely hope there will be challenges in scarlet and violet. Forcing you to think about your strategy.
Volo: "Oh, you're a villain, alright! Just not a super one!
Lysander: "Oh yeah? Whats the difference?"
Volo: "PRESENTATION!"
I only had my Porygon Z at the end of that fight, and it was lucky, cause Giratina has a fighting move that would have one shot KO'ed it. That critical ice beam really saved me. It took two tries before I got him down. My secret was to have a high defense, high HP tank that could take the blows while I use full revives to fix those who are needed.
There is a theory that Volo is actually a time traveler, but not the same way you are, but instead, from the distant past, ancient Celestia. hence his outfit looking so archaic... I think it would be a cool nod if he returned in some form. One of the best villains.
Definitely see the time travel theory being possible. He's the one who ripped a hole in the time space continuum to get you there in the first place
This fight was so amazing. It really gets you to WANT to win no matter how long it takes. It was the fight that got me to try and take on other hard fights in the series like Veteran Trainer Shaun in Pokémon Black & White after giving up on beating him years ago.
I always knew there was something off on Volo (except I always thought he was arceus in human form) this though, this is just peak of what Pokémon is, this is by far my favorite game and battle so far, no other battle besides the end of X&Y has ever evoked such emotion, such excitement, such genuine thrill
6:38 Ngl this scene reminds me of the looks like you’re going to the shadow realm Jim meme