I think the .40 S&W was skimping on powder. If it was moving out another 150 or so FPS, it would have done admirably. As usual, the .357mag continues to get the job done.
The .357 magnum did great. I was a little nervous about the light for caliber on the .40. I think a heavier bullet would be better: 155 to 180 grain would give you more mass for better penetration. Still, expansion was ideal...
Great video Sam! I've started utilizing both calibers into my EDC rotation along with .357 SIG. (Very impressed with all three calibers!) Love also utilizing the versatile .357 Magnum revolvers for pocket/backup gun carry.
That Barnes .357 load is what I keep in my nightstand gun. It’s a 3” SP101. Recoil is surprisingly light out of the Ruger but it’s def got some kick. When I work nights I swap to Critical Defense 110 grain .38 +P for the wife.
I have a 3" SP101 as well... I shot a cylinder of Underwood self-defense rounds through it last week (just to test them); louder than range ammo, but I think the mass of this revolver absorbs the shock of the blast very well.
That critical defense 110 grain .38+p is absolutely the best. It hits where I am aiming. Tight groups out of my Ruger lcr. 357 mag. I use the ammo that works best.
.357 looks good for 3"-4". My 40 ACTUAL FBI data went live yesterday and Paul Harrell Tribute tomorrow! Then "Modern Meat Target" tests start following week everyone plz support! can you finish up 40 great again with all the Oddball stuff I sent and Hornadys and ur new short barrel? My hands not working today
I looked at them a few days ago trying to figure out how to present a video on them. There's several each of the XTP like loads and a poweRball but i'm not sure how to go about it with random weights and not knowing which is which.
@@GunSam Try to make a not a serious Fun one...Say something like "In out previous three Make .40 great again Videos with all the LE trade in ammo DanTheWolfman sent, all of them performed great other than UMC which should prove .40 doesn't SUCK like modern internet group parroting hearsay says. Out of curiosity let's see how "Even Random .40 from Short Barrel Doesn't SUCK like Internet Claims!". If in the Upcoming Apocalypse all you could find was a short barreled forty, and had a pillow case of Random ammo you were able to scrounge, how well armed would you be?... Do them all into REAL WORLD Testing protocol Say "this looks like maybe a ...... but not positive (U could also put all on kitchen scale and try to figure out which ones are LIGHT for caliber and which ones 180 gr if you felt the need). If most go 10-24" and some expand even from short barrel I think that will further prove our point. I just think a Fun one to prove some points would be fun and why sent you the random stuff I didn't have too many of. Heck you could even do a RANDOM series after that in each Caliber....Shoot 6 different rounds in each RANDOM CALIBER Vid through MDF to get a sense of each caliber might be fun to shake things up a bit. Something like that, PLEASE...And if you can somehow plug "DanTheWolfman has started to do his MODERN MEAT TARGET testing" so it's interesting to compare performance in different types of testing protocol, like My Real World MDF protocol that makes Clear Ballistics more valid to Meat Target testing to the few Organic Gel testers out there with different types and layers of clothing or through bone or MDF. So it's good to see how calibers and various rounds perform in different testing protocols so people can make up their own informed opinions.
@@GunSam The 140 grain makes about 1340 through the same 6" revolver. They are currently my favorite loads. The 125 for awkward social situations and the 140 for hiking and woods walking.
@@brianmoore1164 I hope you're not relying on that 140gr HP for black bears. They will not penetrate enough, not even half enough. Carry hardcast or Underwood Xtreme Defenders at the minimum.
I’m usually disappointed in Barnes loading of these rounds as while the results on target are decent the velocities are usually lower than what I would like or expect. The 357 broke the mold with that one giving full power 357 magnum energy for its weight. A great test.
I’d like to see a 9mm and 45 test of this ammo, especially the 9mm, I’m looking to go with this ammo for carry in those calibers as well. Your looking good, hope the health continues to be stable.
thank you. my 2 favorite carry rounds. my go to is the 605 appendix backed with an astra a75 .40 cal weak hand (rh for me) appendix. i can carry both totally concealed with a t-shirt this way and can press the 605 into someone without going out of battery. if 5 357's don't work, 7 40's are there if needed. it also doesn't hurt to have an lcp2 in the pocket, as well.
Happy to see the .40 cal working as well as my old PT140 does....And I swapped the mag release as well to stop my issues. Wonder what the 357 would do out of the 3" 605. Cheers!
2 of my favorite calibers. The concussion from the Magnum should be pretty bad. Perhaps this wasn't a very good batch. I wouldn't carry it. Thanks Mr. Sam.
Gun Sam. My 357 carry is an old ruger security 6 4". 357. I love that pistol. I inherited it. Its very accurate. And my only semi is a colt 1911 45 acp. You shot very well . Full house 357s in my ruger let you know your firing a powerful revolver. I cant imagine out of 2". . God bless😊
Like this in 357 mag but for 40s&w HST and gold dot seem to do better penetration wise. I do carry the Barnes or Buffalo bore low recoil in my snub nose revolvers. I wish Winchester ranger would expand out of my shield my in my water jugs with denim I only got 1 out of 4 to expand.
That version of the .40 seems a little weak. Both are serious considerations. I'll take .40 anyday. Capacity is a higher consideration for me. Sure strike accuracy is important to not just be tossing lead, but the extra standard capacity mags are a winner. There are other much better performing .40's as you have shown before.
I love the closer distances being used here, especially for those of us interested in self-defense. I personally feel that the FBI requirements are not very useful for me when it comes to self-defense. If I'm shooting sideways through someone's arm to reach a vital in a self-defense situation, I might have a lot of explaining to do in court as to why I felt in danger from someone not facing me. Those FBI requirements seem more applicable to the police or military, or very very very fringe cases of citizen self-defense That would require such a shot.
Great review. My read on this... I don't like this loading in the 40 at all. Not really that great in .357 Mag either. I'm sticking with my 180 gr HST for my 40 and 140 grain 38 Spcl +P lehigh bullet handloads for the snub 605. Each is carried for diff situations....
3-3/4" is about as short as they come, in a single-action world. 4-5/8" if the ejector rod remains full length. Charter Arms runs a 2-1/2" in a snub double action.
As a 40 guy I'm not sure I really see the point of this round. It's weak in terms of velocity/energy for a light round, doesn't penetrate a ton, and doesn't expand better than cheaper jhp rounds.
.357 with a 200 grain hardcast at about 70% load strength might be a better mix for the short gun. Still hotter than +P but not so brutal on the gun or you.
Currently I swapped the magazine release to prevent as much unintentional hitting it as possible. I started having more issues with hotter ammo, but avoiding squeezing the bottom of the magazine helped, as I think i'm always slightly touching the mag release and that in addition to squeezing on the base plate popped it out, caused jam. I also ordered a Hogue slip on beavertail grip to hopefully keep my hand further away from the mag release.
I think the .40 S&W was skimping on powder. If it was moving out another 150 or so FPS, it would have done admirably.
As usual, the .357mag continues to get the job done.
unfortunately it is pretty much standard (and intentional imho) for the 40 to be shortchanged. i would definitely not pick this load as my carry
The .357 magnum did great. I was a little nervous about the light for caliber on the .40. I think a heavier bullet would be better: 155 to 180 grain would give you more mass for better penetration. Still, expansion was ideal...
When I shoot magnums from my 340PD it feels like catching a 95 MPH fastball w/o a glove.
I bet lol
Great video Sam! I've started utilizing both calibers into my EDC rotation along with .357 SIG. (Very impressed with all three calibers!) Love also utilizing the versatile .357 Magnum revolvers for pocket/backup gun carry.
That Barnes .357 load is what I keep in my nightstand gun. It’s a 3” SP101. Recoil is surprisingly light out of the Ruger but it’s def got some kick.
When I work nights I swap to Critical Defense 110 grain .38 +P for the wife.
I have a 3" SP101 as well... I shot a cylinder of Underwood self-defense rounds through it last week (just to test them); louder than range ammo, but I think the mass of this revolver absorbs the shock of the blast very well.
That critical defense 110 grain .38+p is absolutely the best. It hits where I am aiming. Tight groups out of my Ruger lcr. 357 mag. I use the ammo that works best.
.357 looks good for 3"-4". My 40 ACTUAL FBI data went live yesterday and Paul Harrell Tribute tomorrow! Then "Modern Meat Target" tests start following week everyone plz support! can you finish up 40 great again with all the Oddball stuff I sent and Hornadys and ur new short barrel? My hands not working today
I looked at them a few days ago trying to figure out how to present a video on them. There's several each of the XTP like loads and a poweRball but i'm not sure how to go about it with random weights and not knowing which is which.
@@GunSam Try to make a not a serious Fun one...Say something like "In out previous three Make .40 great again Videos with all the LE trade in ammo DanTheWolfman sent, all of them performed great other than UMC which should prove .40 doesn't SUCK like modern internet group parroting hearsay says. Out of curiosity let's see how "Even Random .40 from Short Barrel Doesn't SUCK like Internet Claims!". If in the Upcoming Apocalypse all you could find was a short barreled forty, and had a pillow case of Random ammo you were able to scrounge, how well armed would you be?... Do them all into REAL WORLD Testing protocol Say "this looks like maybe a ...... but not positive (U could also put all on kitchen scale and try to figure out which ones are LIGHT for caliber and which ones 180 gr if you felt the need). If most go 10-24" and some expand even from short barrel I think that will further prove our point. I just think a Fun one to prove some points would be fun and why sent you the random stuff I didn't have too many of. Heck you could even do a RANDOM series after that in each Caliber....Shoot 6 different rounds in each RANDOM CALIBER Vid through MDF to get a sense of each caliber might be fun to shake things up a bit. Something like that, PLEASE...And if you can somehow plug "DanTheWolfman has started to do his MODERN MEAT TARGET testing" so it's interesting to compare performance in different types of testing protocol, like My Real World MDF protocol that makes Clear Ballistics more valid to Meat Target testing to the few Organic Gel testers out there with different types and layers of clothing or through bone or MDF. So it's good to see how calibers and various rounds perform in different testing protocols so people can make up their own informed opinions.
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Good test! Thanks for the 40 S&W. Those copper Barnes look great but the 40 S&W penetration was lacking.
Fantastic stuff. For anyone interested I chronographed that 357 load last week through a 6" barrel and averaged 1415fps for 12 rounds.
I would assume it's a max charge of a fast power, so your numbers seem about right.
@@GunSam The 140 grain makes about 1340 through the same 6" revolver. They are currently my favorite loads. The 125 for awkward social situations and the 140 for hiking and woods walking.
@@brianmoore1164 I hope you're not relying on that 140gr HP for black bears. They will not penetrate enough, not even half enough. Carry hardcast or Underwood Xtreme Defenders at the minimum.
Filmed February 27th 2024
Love your content long time follower, stoked to see the pocket .40 comparisons.
It's impressive to fire snob nosed 357 mag. revolvers at night ! The muzzle blast is about 2' long.
Thanks. I'd look for the Barns .357 Magnum for carry.
Pulled or not. Lefty is prob gonna learn the meaning of traumatic amputation.
Oooohh, this about to be a good one 😁
Great 30 sc vids dude
@@DanTheWolfman Thanks!
I am a big 40 proponent. But I would not choose these as an option. But I wouldn't discourage these 357 in a snubby.
The 357Mag still doesn't disappoint!
I've had a few boxes of that 357 for a few years now and haven't tested it yet! LOL. I can see how control would be a real factor.
I’m usually disappointed in Barnes loading of these rounds as while the results on target are decent the velocities are usually lower than what I would like or expect. The 357 broke the mold with that one giving full power 357 magnum energy for its weight. A great test.
I’d like to see a 9mm and 45 test of this ammo, especially the 9mm, I’m looking to go with this ammo for carry in those calibers as well. Your looking good, hope the health continues to be stable.
Great comparison!
Thanks.
Hi gun Sam. As always thank you for another video. You bring very useful info. Thank you from Pennsylvania buddy Jeff. 😊
GS. Another good and interesting comparison. Thanks for sharing and take care.
Nice! I have some of these as my carry loads... It'd be interesting to see how they perform through 3" and 4" barrels as well, I think.
thank you. my 2 favorite carry rounds. my go to is the 605 appendix backed with an astra a75 .40 cal weak hand (rh for me) appendix. i can carry both totally concealed with a t-shirt this way and can press the 605 into someone without going out of battery. if 5 357's don't work, 7 40's are there if needed. it also doesn't hurt to have an lcp2 in the pocket, as well.
I just ordered these Barnes in 357 Mag today and picked up a box in 45 acp two weeks ago. These generally perform pretty good.
Very good info as always, thanks
I’d like to try that Barnes in my 5.5” Blackhawk bet it’d reallly perform great! 👍🏻
Great test! I like short barrel 40 (shield 2.0) and love my smith and Wesson snubs. Thanks for making the content!
Happy to see the .40 cal working as well as my old PT140 does....And I swapped the mag release as well to stop my issues. Wonder what the 357 would do out of the 3" 605. Cheers!
Very late comment, but I just found this video and started watching. How do you feel about the Barnes 115gr XPB vs Selier & Bellot 100gr XRG?
I never get sick of your videos. Been watching since the very beginning.
2 of my favorite calibers. The concussion from the Magnum should be pretty bad. Perhaps this wasn't a very good batch. I wouldn't carry it.
Thanks Mr. Sam.
Really enjoying new and old videos Sam thanks.Going back to 38 sp for ccw and target shooting
Gun Sam. My 357 carry is an old ruger security 6 4". 357. I love that pistol. I inherited it. Its very accurate. And my only semi is a colt 1911 45 acp. You shot very well . Full house 357s in my ruger let you know your firing a powerful revolver. I cant imagine out of 2". . God bless😊
I love that you keep the video's real. Wherever you hit the target you show us. Tks.
Like this in 357 mag but for 40s&w HST and gold dot seem to do better penetration wise. I do carry the Barnes or Buffalo bore low recoil in my snub nose revolvers. I wish Winchester ranger would expand out of my shield my in my water jugs with denim I only got 1 out of 4 to expand.
great video Sam
That version of the .40 seems a little weak. Both are serious considerations. I'll take .40 anyday. Capacity is a higher consideration for me. Sure strike accuracy is important to not just be tossing lead, but the extra standard capacity mags are a winner. There are other much better performing .40's as you have shown before.
Great vid, I carry alternately a SP101 (magna ported) or a Glock27.
I love the closer distances being used here, especially for those of us interested in self-defense. I personally feel that the FBI requirements are not very useful for me when it comes to self-defense. If I'm shooting sideways through someone's arm to reach a vital in a self-defense situation, I might have a lot of explaining to do in court as to why I felt in danger from someone not facing me. Those FBI requirements seem more applicable to the police or military, or very very very fringe cases of citizen self-defense That would require such a shot.
What is the best cartridge for self defense and why is it the .357 Magnum? 👆
Sam
I have this G3 in 9mm. how does G3 hold up to the 40 s/w and how much more recoil does it have with this round.
Great info! What's your current carry ammo for the 357 snub nose?
I would not to be hit with either. Theyd make you bleed.😊
Great review. My read on this... I don't like this loading in the 40 at all. Not really that great in .357 Mag either. I'm sticking with my 180 gr HST for my 40 and 140 grain 38 Spcl +P lehigh bullet handloads for the snub 605. Each is carried for diff situations....
That is pretty amazing doctoring on the 40 caliber by a revolver guy.
👍😊 good test
Do you have a 44 short barrel ?
44 Special not magnum.
3-3/4" is about as short as they come, in a single-action world. 4-5/8" if the ejector rod remains full length.
Charter Arms runs a 2-1/2" in a snub double action.
Only my 4.25" model 69. I have debated getting a 2.5"? Charter Arms
both good ammo. 3/22/2024.
As a 40 guy I'm not sure I really see the point of this round. It's weak in terms of velocity/energy for a light round, doesn't penetrate a ton, and doesn't expand better than cheaper jhp rounds.
Correct
It's loaded much too light. In fact, a stout handloaded .40 S&W can exceed a lot of common 10mm wimpy loads.
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Is that .40 weak or what?
Bump
.357 with a 200 grain hardcast at about 70% load strength might be a better mix for the short gun. Still hotter than +P but not so brutal on the gun or you.
What did you do for the .40 caliber to shoot correct ❓
Currently I swapped the magazine release to prevent as much unintentional hitting it as possible. I started having more issues with hotter ammo, but avoiding squeezing the bottom of the magazine helped, as I think i'm always slightly touching the mag release and that in addition to squeezing on the base plate popped it out, caused jam. I also ordered a Hogue slip on beavertail grip to hopefully keep my hand further away from the mag release.
The XPD has always been sketchy for me. I think barnes needs to make them a little more dense so they done open so quickly
Great one for me in particular, just started carrying this! Thanks.
Nice testing and shooting Sam. I have these rounds for .357 Mag. Thanks for all you do! ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇲🏁🇮🇱🇺🇦🔱🌻🌸🌼🏵️💮🏴☠️🏹
Thank you.
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40 and 357, the two correct answers
357 sig the amendment
@@FoulPet nope
@@DinoNucci yup
Excellent video.
Nice fleece too.
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