Painting and Sketching at a Coffee Shop!

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  • Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
  • Hey there everyone! I have a ~really~ different video for you guys this time, where I... SHOW MY FACE... I know, very unexpected but I've been meaning to make some more vlog-y videos for a while and decided that... Why not? I mean, aside from the fact that I'm very self conscious of my voice, appearance, filming in public, speaking in public and speaking in english, I can very well do it! So I pushed through all that and this is the final result! I really hope you like it :,) I also travelled to an art conference in another city recently and I vlogged there so... Maybe there's a vlog coming up? It was really fun and I miss it, but now I'm back and very enlightened! You might notice my style in these drawings look slightly (or a lot, idk how you see it...) different from my usual stuff? I'm breaking free from my own limitations!! Well, I'm working on it... So yeah! I'll see you next time!
    Materials used:
    -Sketchbook I got from that art conference, so no brand
    -Viviva watercolors
    -Royal & Langnickel ZEN brushes, sizes 4 and 8
    -Faber Castell Polychromos pencils, in Black, Helio Turquoise and Deep Red
    -Pentel i+ refillable gel pen
    -Koh-I-Noor 6B pencil
    All songs are from EpidemicSound.com:
    -Better Late Than Never, by Magnus Ringblom
    -Blue Night, by Magnus Ringblom
    -Turtle Beach 2, by Magnus Ringblom
    IG: @milkywaes
    Twitter: @sleepywaes
    E-Mail: milkywaes@gmail.com
    Camera: Canon G7X Mark II
    Editing Software: Wondershare Filmora

Комментарии • 619

  • @milkywaes
    @milkywaes  5 лет назад +635

    AAAAA THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE OVERWHELMING SUPPORT!! Seriously, I've been reading all comments and you guys are amazing :,) I'm sorry I haven't replied, Life's been a bit busy lately, but there are some things I'd like to clear up:
    1) I didn't flip the video because it looks off since the angle I'm filming at isn't directly over the sketchbook, and it's been giving some people headaches on other videos where I do flip the footage and that "off feeling" is present... I'm sorry, but there's not much I can do, since my filming area is very limited. :/
    2) I'M BRAZILIAN! Sim, meus caros eu sou 100% brasileira, moro no Brasil, morei no Brasil minha vida toda, não tenho parentes que falam inglês e falo inglês nas minhas redes sociais pra alcançar um público maior porque viver de arte no Brasil não é fácil ;) Aprendi vendo clipe de música legendado na TV e vídeo de estrangeiro no RUclips kjgkdfjhg Eu já falei isso muitas vezes no instagram e em alguns vídeos, mas sempre tem quem não viu, então estamos aqui! Prazer! E muito obrigada por me apoiar

    • @dodlgvo6015
      @dodlgvo6015 5 лет назад +8

      i just translated the entire thing on a good translator and i just wanted to say : claro! eu apoio-te sempre! c; (i-if thats right-)

    • @MariarsClara
      @MariarsClara 5 лет назад +15

      MULHÉ TU É BRASILEIRA E EU AQUI COMENTANDO EM INGLÊS NOS TEUS VIDEOS ACHANDO QUE TU É GRINGA HAHAh aproveitando aqui que já estou comentando: eu amo muitos seus desenhos sério, fico horas viajando neles, criando história dentro deles aff tu é maravilhosa e seus cabelo é lindo, é isso, bjs no coração

    • @kentario1610
      @kentario1610 5 лет назад +3

      I was listening to you talk and thinking what I would sound like if I spoke to someone who only knows English, thinking you spoke English as a first language. Wow! Also gotta say everything is so aesthetically pleasing!

    • @kikeheebchinkjigaboo6631
      @kikeheebchinkjigaboo6631 5 лет назад

      milky, its saddens me that you have to some a near panic attack just at the thought of going to a coffee shop to paint.

    • @FernandaAlves-ys6dq
      @FernandaAlves-ys6dq 5 лет назад +3

      menina amei. Teus desenhos tem uma vibe Parisiense sla, tomara q tu um dia possa fazer um vídeo linda desenhando no pé da Torre Eiffel kkkk amo?

  • @milkandhoneytea2815
    @milkandhoneytea2815 5 лет назад +2419

    Why are you aesthetically pleasing???? Like it's illegal to be that aesthetic

    • @valecdiaz_9978
      @valecdiaz_9978 5 лет назад +17

      I love your profile picture, Levi 😍❤

    • @catherineg2720
      @catherineg2720 5 лет назад +13

      Right? She's so calming to watch too!

    • @milkywaes
      @milkywaes  5 лет назад +54

      uuUUH thank you?? I honestly don't think so but I'm glad you do!!

    • @rimayaka
      @rimayaka 2 года назад +1

      Her room is so pretty!

  • @kimiko257
    @kimiko257 5 лет назад +270

    I want to be that ‘work from home artist ‘or an afternoon shift girl; who every morning goes into a small coffee shop and everyone knows me there-
    Seems fun~

    • @bhuhuhuhuhbuhuh
      @bhuhuhuhuhbuhuh 4 года назад +34

      Im staying with my grandparents in a small beach town and I'm a regular at 2 local coffee shops where I sketch and everyone knows my name! But I'm a guy so I'm not sure if I can count as the aesthetic you're going for ; -_-)

    • @aliyhatone-pah-hote3405
      @aliyhatone-pah-hote3405 4 года назад +12

      Same but the only coffee shop I know is for rich people and everything is like $50 :(

    • @yumpurin
      @yumpurin 3 года назад +4

      @@aliyhatone-pah-hote3405 wtf the coffee better have gold in there or sumn

  • @targaryen17
    @targaryen17 5 лет назад +898

    No shame in saying that you're the reason I bought a watercolor set! You're such an inspiration! I'm from Brazil also, but your english is so good, no accent whatsoever. Are you a gringa? Lol
    Beijos de Fortaleza!

    • @badbcatha40
      @badbcatha40 5 лет назад +5

      Ela disse no Instagram que nasceu e mora em Brasília DF mesmo

    • @sandrastella4079
      @sandrastella4079 5 лет назад +15

      Caralho ela é daqui? '0'

    • @rofrigo4513
      @rofrigo4513 5 лет назад +38

      Eu fiquei em choque quando vi as coisas em pt no café kkkkk, eu n uso redes sociais então fiquei perdidissimo

    • @andysilvamoreira641
      @andysilvamoreira641 5 лет назад +5

      WTF, you're brazilian?! :D

    • @jessicadayane484
      @jessicadayane484 5 лет назад +11

      @@badbcatha40 Mano o Inglês dela é perfeito! Até achei que ela estava em Portugal, pq o lugar do vídeo também é maravilhoso aushauhs

  • @rafela_1733
    @rafela_1733 5 лет назад +783

    OMGDKDHDKEHWKW I LOVE YOU UR VOICE IS SO CUTE AND YOU ARE SO PRETTY IM IN LOVE 😭😭

  • @sonyasheptunov5920
    @sonyasheptunov5920 5 лет назад +364

    love the jenna julien podcast in the background :)) go you for stepping out of your comfort zone!!!

  • @Psych.o.delica
    @Psych.o.delica 5 лет назад +421

    only thing i could wish for this vid is that the timelapse would have been flipped upside down, so we could see your beautiful drawing right side up

    • @courtnie1783
      @courtnie1783 5 лет назад +17

      On a laptop, you can press ctrl+alt+down arrow to flip your screen. To flip back, ctrl+alt+up arrow

    • @milkywaes
      @milkywaes  5 лет назад +32

      I'm sorry, but the footage just looks wonky and off-putting when turned upside down, since the angle I'm filming isn't right above the sketchbook :,)

    • @natranja6025
      @natranja6025 5 лет назад +2

      You can turn off screen rotation on iOS and android.

    • @Beyondzz
      @Beyondzz 3 года назад +4

      @@courtnie1783 oh my god you saved my life and my neck

  • @terracottafern
    @terracottafern 5 лет назад +119

    absolutely beautiful. I'd love more of these videos, maybe art and review! maybe try different coffee places and different types of coffees everytime, and review while you art! two hobbies, two interesting things. lovely!

  • @blubblub3555
    @blubblub3555 5 лет назад +53

    YOU NEED TO DO A SKETCHBOOK TOUR, THAT WOULD MAKE ME SO HAPPY

  • @bluempire6682
    @bluempire6682 5 лет назад +188

    Your whole aesthetic I amazing I love it and your art!❤

  • @akeera_
    @akeera_ 5 лет назад +85

    I love how you are casually making a blog in an art video, it's just so casual... and soft? I dunno, it just comforts me

  • @inboarduck8589
    @inboarduck8589 5 лет назад +256

    how are you such an aesthetic queen?

  • @chickennugget2333
    @chickennugget2333 5 лет назад +29

    I just have to say--I love how genuine you are, and that you arent a try-hard at all. You're genuinely adorable and relatable (bc of your awkwardness at the intro) SKSKDLLSK
    love your art btw!!

  • @MellowFrog00
    @MellowFrog00 2 года назад +1

    That coffee shop is a whole vibe
    Like they got the books and everything
    I’m in looouve 💙💙💙✨✨

  • @roseycarol3721
    @roseycarol3721 5 лет назад +54

    I absolutely adore your sketches so much they inspire me to continue to do art!💕

  • @gd.violet
    @gd.violet 5 лет назад +136

    Primeira vez no canal, ai eu "Olha que fofinho, ai cara queria ir pro exterior e fazer isso.." Ai do nada eu vejo coisa em português ai eu "ué" auhsuahsau
    Aliás, adorei o vídeo

    • @Iamdanielcart
      @Iamdanielcart 5 лет назад +16

      kkkkkkk tambem achei que ela morava fora do brasil, eu fiquei tipo pqp isso é tão americano mas é do brasil

    • @aresjupiter847
      @aresjupiter847 4 года назад

      pseh kkkk

    • @arianecosta8956
      @arianecosta8956 4 года назад +1

      Eu também pensei a mesma coisa kkkkk

    • @ericklimacundiff5203
      @ericklimacundiff5203 3 года назад

      uma vez ela abriu a janela e pelos carros que passavam eu percebi que era o Brasil kkkkkkk

    • @shamaraaraujo3204
      @shamaraaraujo3204 3 года назад

      Pelo chão de cerâmica e a dificuldade de encontrar materiais artísticos no país de origem dela eu soube que a Milkywaes era brasileira KKKKKKK

  • @yur1e617
    @yur1e617 5 лет назад +32

    Wow I’m also an artist but I’m definitely not as creative as you are. Like I can’t seem to think of what to draw next while you’re just drawing one after the other 😮

  • @jasminerush7250
    @jasminerush7250 Год назад

    All these people on RUclips
    You are by far my favorite.
    Watching your videos is like spending time with a pleasing friend

  • @lei.7970
    @lei.7970 5 лет назад +39

    I certainly like your face, and I am definitely not disappointed. 🤗🌸✨

  • @arizonaharvey565
    @arizonaharvey565 5 лет назад +4

    It honestly was very nice to sit and listen/watch you doodle as I doodle myself in a sketchbook. Awesome work!

  • @victoriadrumond4467
    @victoriadrumond4467 5 лет назад +16

    Mano vc parece tanto uma gringa e seu inglês é tão bom q minha ficha so caiu quando li as placas em português ( e eu tive que reler duas vezes p ter crtza q tava escrito em port msm, e sim eu sou mt lerda ) and your art style is so cute and pleasant to see, i'll make sure to keep following your work!

  • @minuys
    @minuys 5 лет назад +18

    the timing of this couldn’t have been greater bc i was just thinking of going to the gallery to paint today! ur such an inspiration and ur art style n face is so cute ੈ✩‧₊˚

  • @Mnm-yg5vl
    @Mnm-yg5vl 4 года назад

    I love painting while your also doing your work, it makes me feel like I'm not painting by my self, and the music is perfect!

  • @berrychapis
    @berrychapis 4 года назад +1

    I love all you draw!!! I love your style no matter how much it changes 😍 I love your doodles

  • @fish_envy
    @fish_envy 5 лет назад +17

    holy cheese, you're so adorable. I appreciate the *aesthetic* thank you lots.

  • @say.d1tto
    @say.d1tto 5 лет назад +5

    Watching this after a really stressful day from school is absolute bliss

    • @milkywaes
      @milkywaes  5 лет назад +2

      AA i hope school gets less stressful soon :,) I'm glad I was able to help in some way

  • @kaya.serrano1693
    @kaya.serrano1693 5 лет назад

    this was so therapeutic for me and inspired me to practice drawing more. The fact that this is in a coffee shop is also fitting to me and my lifestyle since I am a college student and spend most of my time at coffee shops

  • @RainbowEster
    @RainbowEster 5 лет назад

    It actually helped a TON to see that you were nervous to go out there to do this! Also, I love that you really go for the skin colors like you're so ready to just put down a color and see what happens. Very good vibes :)

  • @SnarkyToad
    @SnarkyToad 5 лет назад +1

    You clearly have a solid understanding of anatomy to support such an impressive and pleasing sketching style. This was a wonderful and pleasant video to watch. Thank you!

  • @winterv9970
    @winterv9970 5 лет назад +7

    So glad this came up in my recommendation I’m in love with your channel!! Your studio is so cute it’d be really cool to have a studio tour :O

  • @itsonion651
    @itsonion651 5 лет назад +7

    You are the aesthetic I aspire to be tbh I love you so much you constantly give me inspiration

  • @angelicaryzhak5161
    @angelicaryzhak5161 4 года назад

    Her room is the most perfect room I have EVER SEEEEEN!!!

  • @kale7251
    @kale7251 5 лет назад

    i would love to see more of these videos :)

  • @aquariumfullofbread4778
    @aquariumfullofbread4778 5 лет назад

    I wish I had as much confidence in my lines as you do, it was so mesmerizing to watch you draw with the pen at the end

  • @ponysaur0
    @ponysaur0 5 лет назад +11

    wait, you are BRAZILIAN? OMG I LOVE YOU-

  • @siobhanm9690
    @siobhanm9690 5 лет назад

    you’re so pretty! i love these videos, they’re very relaxing and get me motivated

  • @Lexi-md5tv
    @Lexi-md5tv 5 лет назад +2

    Your voice and English are beautiful! I could never learn another language, haha. Your face is beautiful as well! And you're amazingly talented with art. I have no complaints about this video. Absolutely perfect.

  • @diyingartist974
    @diyingartist974 5 лет назад +2

    i've been thinking of trying this too. stepping out of the comfort zone (quite literally) and drawing someplace else.

  • @sazevedo1626
    @sazevedo1626 5 лет назад

    So much courage! Thanks for sharing!!

  • @apontearcos5133
    @apontearcos5133 5 лет назад +13

    This is awesome I love your videos and your art is gorgeous you inspire me :) I actually did one of your paintings it was the summer days one I think

  • @sachinprabhusachinprabhu007
    @sachinprabhusachinprabhu007 5 лет назад

    absolutely love your art

  • @cecilia927
    @cecilia927 5 лет назад +2

    dude ur SO CUTEE OMG and i think its rly cool of you to step out of your comfort zone like this and i LOVE your videos

  • @LVcatTale
    @LVcatTale 5 лет назад

    Holy crap you have a great sense of anatomy! Everytime I watch you I just feel inspired to create, you're so inspirational!

  • @sarahbobara8898
    @sarahbobara8898 5 лет назад

    This was such a fun video to watch. It felt as if I was visiting a coffee shop with a friend and just sat there and drew my heart out.

  • @استغفرالله-د9ع6ك
    @استغفرالله-د9ع6ك 5 лет назад

    U were beautiful ~
    I liked the sketches and I’ll try to do one of them ~
    It was fun watching you having this experience 😂😂😂
    I hope you do more videos like this but you should show us the cafes and the places that you going to .
    Excuse my English and I love you ❤️

  • @jessmartinez4559
    @jessmartinez4559 5 лет назад +7

    I’m so in love with your art and your style of painting!! I love ya my dude

  • @ines3121
    @ines3121 5 лет назад

    I wish I can have the courage to paint in public someday...
    Your art is beautiful! And also, I saw a lot of portuguese words… love it!

  • @littlestarsprout
    @littlestarsprout 4 года назад

    TO EM CHOQUE
    eu nunca imaginei q tu fosse br
    deu até um orgulho do meu país agora

  • @bodoquito3976
    @bodoquito3976 5 лет назад

    Will definetly watch another of this videos, is really calming and the drawings are wonderfull, continue the hard job, and even though Im from Honduras, not american, your voice is really easy to understand, so thanks for doing something different just for your suscribers. I really appreciate.

  • @amandabrandao5009
    @amandabrandao5009 5 лет назад +28

    nossa, eu tô chocada que você é brasileira AAAA
    se possível e qnd der, coloca legendas

  • @pearish
    @pearish 5 лет назад

    The paintings are so beautiful! I can't believe this is the first video of yours I have ever seen!! Will be binging ASAP , you are so talented

  • @juansieben
    @juansieben 5 лет назад

    this is soooo awesome.. i love it... the way that you use watercolors is freaking amazing....

  • @mipona6196
    @mipona6196 5 лет назад

    Bro.... This is the first video I've ever watched from you! Here's what I'm already liking about you.
    1. You look adorable and also look like a real cartoon drawing
    2. The bear in your room on the bed is adorable and your room is clean
    3. Your aesthetic
    4. Your drawings make me inspired

  • @lekizzle1458
    @lekizzle1458 5 лет назад

    Nem acredito que moro na mesma cidade que você, nunca que vou achar um lugar desse perto de onde eu moro,,,,
    Amei o vídeo e espero que você faça mais vídeos desse estilo mais vezes 💕💞

  • @lunavvakalendula5943
    @lunavvakalendula5943 4 года назад +1

    You’re outfit is ADORABLE omg I can’t ♥️♥️♥️

  • @MCRobin912
    @MCRobin912 5 лет назад +1

    THIS is what inspires me to draw.

  • @HaziiBear
    @HaziiBear 5 лет назад

    your art literally breathes life and inspiration in meeeee

  • @lmhw
    @lmhw 5 лет назад

    I absolutely loved this! Please do more :)

  • @julihaba
    @julihaba 5 лет назад

    Você é uma verdadeira inspiração, adoro seus videos, sua arte é tão calma e linda!

  • @luvejulie
    @luvejulie 5 лет назад +79

    please make a video on how you draw faces ^^

  • @sleepmode8116
    @sleepmode8116 5 лет назад

    The hair on that first painting is so lovely

  • @sylviadebruzzi2802
    @sylviadebruzzi2802 4 года назад

    I love your videos! like I really do and I would love to see more painting of boys or just more sketching videos you have such a beautiful style I want to see more than just girls LOVE YOU THO!! :D

  • @churiooo
    @churiooo 5 лет назад

    Omg your outfit is goals! It's so aesthetic and cuteee! Your face is absolutely adorable too oh my goodness ❤️ Also, amazing video! It was so calming and pleasant to watch you draw... :D

  • @novtifer8194
    @novtifer8194 5 лет назад

    Aaaa I love your videos sm :’)) not only do I feel inspired to draw myself but I love watching the process of how you draw. Also, your voice and your whole aesthetic is so cute wow I strive to attain that kind of level

  • @halasakr1114
    @halasakr1114 5 лет назад

    Thank you for inspiring me with your art ❤️

  • @haveixinyub4573
    @haveixinyub4573 5 лет назад

    Bruh, not only are your drawings amazing, they are amazing IN PUBLIC. That skills level is so high, it defies all the rules of logic.

  • @nifavetta332
    @nifavetta332 5 лет назад

    Uau que coragem de filmar 😱 parabéns 💕🎉

  • @GabaPap
    @GabaPap 5 лет назад

    ahhh!!! I lost track of you a few months back because of the insta algorithm but youtube just recommended this and your improvement is incredible!?!?! I love the new style wowwww 💕

  • @marissavoo
    @marissavoo 5 лет назад +1

    I JUST stumbled upon your video and subscribed within the first 30 seconds! 😂 Your energy is infectious and YES you should totally do more videos like this!

  • @anitsirketesor745
    @anitsirketesor745 5 лет назад

    Your drawings is the definition of aesthetic. Love this video so much. Inspired me a lot:-)

  • @hannahsd5490
    @hannahsd5490 5 лет назад

    bro you can’t be gorgeous and make stunning art that’s so unfair omg

  • @ren_official10
    @ren_official10 4 года назад

    You are my favorite/CRUSH youtuber artist ♥️♥️♥️🙊 greetings from the Philippines 🇵🇭

  • @elouandaliyasser9166
    @elouandaliyasser9166 5 лет назад +1

    You're so cute and talented love all your sketches and your sense of humor 🌹😉✨✨💕

  • @teenajoe22
    @teenajoe22 5 лет назад

    Your art style is really cool. Watching you draw/paint is quite inspiring.

  • @Xan1120
    @Xan1120 5 лет назад

    Really need to do stuff like this more often myself. I’ve been trying to figure out a better portable setup as my backpack has worn heavily. I like bringing my inks out when I sketch outside, but I always fear them leaking, so I’m scared! Anyways this was really relaxing and looked super fun!

  • @piawartsback395
    @piawartsback395 5 лет назад

    love your room and art medium collection and desk.. soo envy i wish i can have this kind of room

  • @theactualNDJoJo
    @theactualNDJoJo 5 лет назад +5

    no way, i was just watching a past video thinking how great a new one would be 😆

  • @gracelynboop
    @gracelynboop 5 лет назад +1

    absolutely enjoy every piece you do!

  • @swwtpie
    @swwtpie 5 лет назад

    CARALHO ELA É BR MANOOO TLFKRKFK
    entrei em choque,eu assisto seus vídeos há muito tempo,foi uma inspiração do krl em aquarela,manooo teu inglês é ótimo eu nem suspeitei KKKK

  • @noone8062
    @noone8062 5 лет назад +1

    your style in drawing is just amazing , I wanna learn from you

  • @marina8181
    @marina8181 5 лет назад

    You are so so kind and such an inspiration💚

  • @cuionyan4611
    @cuionyan4611 4 года назад

    MDS, EU NÃO POSSO ACREDITAR QUE TU EH 100% BRAZUCA
    QUE INCRÍVEL ÙWÚ ❤️❤️❤️

  • @kakafakris
    @kakafakris 5 лет назад

    Thanks for going out for the aesthetic it’s just so beautiful

  • @phatphapkhaitamm
    @phatphapkhaitamm 2 года назад

    One of the best animated movies

  • @Olliekzm
    @Olliekzm 5 лет назад

    I really liked watching the sketching process! You have a really cute art style

  • @sunnygenna1734
    @sunnygenna1734 5 лет назад

    I’m so happy I found this beautiful, inspiring and relaxing video ♥️ I will absolutely subscribe and I cannot wait to see more of your art

  • @anaclaraenes1402
    @anaclaraenes1402 5 лет назад

    garota você é tudo???
    seus vídeos são tão bons de se assistir e sempre melhoram o meu dia!
    você é uma artista incrível e realmente me inspira muito ~

  • @ЕкатеринаЛеоновская

    You're so pretty. ❤️
    And your works are really good!

  • @PapagenoDispo
    @PapagenoDispo 5 лет назад

    there's always those people who stay behind you and watch you draw.
    i got this little voice in my head that says "don't make it look ugly, make it look good and cool so you won't embarass yourself" and it kinda makes me nervous when people ask me about my art.
    your art is so good tho... goals.

  • @aminanasra8323
    @aminanasra8323 5 лет назад

    The watercolour is so vibrant

  • @juliatravassos8003
    @juliatravassos8003 5 лет назад

    Que inspiração ♥️

  • @我向饿了
    @我向饿了 5 лет назад +10

    are there any artists you recommend for people who are looking to start drawing? or can you create a video about anatomy of the head, or art tips etc. i love your work and you draw nicely :)

  • @courtnie1783
    @courtnie1783 5 лет назад

    That was fantastic! Now I'm inspired to go out and draw myself :)

  • @CarolynnieGoofball
    @CarolynnieGoofball 5 лет назад

    This is one of the most calming videos I’ve ever watched. I love it!

  • @shahadshd5165
    @shahadshd5165 5 лет назад

    I’m a new fan off your art work it really inspires me

  • @orangekitten4894
    @orangekitten4894 5 лет назад

    ahh this was so relaxing and calming. i really liked the real time with the coffee shop noise in the background too

  • @emersonnunes1309
    @emersonnunes1309 5 лет назад

    Vi esse vídeo lindo umas 3 vezes já e agora descubro que essa menina linda é da minha terra. Além de ser linda e talentosa é brasileira. Aaaaaaaa

  • @doble_sykie
    @doble_sykie 5 лет назад

    This motivated me to draw outside my comfort zone. This is really inspiring 🤗

  • @someone2510
    @someone2510 5 лет назад

    The music goes so well with the video!!

  • @EviltwinDiana
    @EviltwinDiana 5 лет назад

    Those sketches were gorgeous would love to see more of this kind of stuff !!