Lens review: Laowa 10mm f/2.8 Zero-D FF. Photography with a rectilinear ultrawide angle lens
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Testing the new Laowa 10mm f/2.8 Zero-D FF lens. The RF mount manual focus version is tested. The E mount and Z mount versions of the lens have auto focus.
Lens Specs
- Ultra-wide10mm with f/2.8
- Angle of View of 130°
- Close Focusing Distance 12cm
- 77mm Filter thread
- 5 blade aperture - 10-Point 'Sunsta'r
- 14 blade option for non AF mounts
The US price for Laowa 10mm f/2.8 Zero-D FF is USD799 for all mounts (Both AF and MF version are the same price). Pricing varies in different countries. Shipping starts from mid-March.
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Ooooh yes. The number of times I end up shifting the Laowa 15 left and right to get what I want suggests this is for me. Many thanks.
I was only testing the manual focus version - very nice though.
Thank you for the video, I just pre-ordered the Canon r5ii and now I know I will be getting this manual focus lens to go into the bag. Great video
Thanks - it's a very nice lens
Mr Cooper,,, ThankYou for the opportunity to see Your Extraordinary :) Photographs !!!!! I have been a Photojournalist and Documentarian and Fashion type of Photographer for nearly 60 years.... Not that I am not happy with the Qualities that exist in My Prints (After the first year I almost never used a light meter and My negatives upon recent scanning (the negatives are to a very large part are right on)) Sorry I digress,,, I have a 43" monitor and I Really Enjoy the Qualities of Color, Composition, Etc. Etc. In Your Work!!!!! ThankYou Cheers My Friend :) :) :)
Thanks! - glad it was of interest.
Very useful and informative, and a bit of fun!
Thanks - I do like getting lenses like this to test. It often nudges me to go out and do something a little different.
The processing of the RP file with Pure Raw 3 also impressed me - it's been a while since I did some hand held night time shots like this on the RP. More experimenting required ;-)
Considering that you're shooting on the RF mount I'm surprised they didn't lend you the 14 blade aperture version. On the Z-mount and E-mount, the manual focus variant is a 14 blade aperture, and the five blade is the AF. I was really hoping that given you were reviewing the RF mount it would have been the 14 blade even though I'm coming from a Nikon Z8. I say that because for such a wide lens I'm tempted to get the manual focus version either way and wanted to see how the 14 blade performs in terms of bokeh.
This was the only option at the time I tested it :-(
Great video! I love the images.Third and Fourth party lenses have often suffered a lack of quality in terms of sharpness compared to Nikon's, Canon's, Sony's... I believe it tends to improve but what about the optical quality of this one? Are you happy with the results you've got?
Thanks - With the proviso that I was testing it on an EOS RP [26MP] I have no issues at all with this lens. I've found the optical quality of Laowa lenses very good - I've tested quite a few tilt/shift and macro ones.
I don't do formal lens testing [I just have one sample and takes care to do it properly]. but have noticed that such lenses are generally getting better. Laowa in particular make some very interesting lenses [this was the manual focus one - RF mount]
Fun to watch. Would sign your every single word. About judgment, about composition in different sizes, about dng from Dxo then CR... all these things we have come up with over two dozen yrs, since we switched from large format. Nevertheless, I am amazed that you freely give away some quite specific know-how to yt university... I mean, this is what you used to live on, right? Does yt pay so well? :)
Thanks - That's my past academic background coming through.. ;-)
My 'proper job' is still as an architectural and industrial photographer - it was never a job I intended to do every day though.
Found your reply only now. Interesting, the point with the academic bgrd... well, yeah. Academic photographer vs economic 😁 Competition and such... money...
True, in academic circles it's about knowhow transfer, research and publications... cooperation... but then, scientists are paid by universities. We are paid by our customers. If we still have any... Photography market is not what it used to be.
We know from other fields what happens when things become public domain.
In capitalism, competition and industry knowhow is capital/trade secret.
Yes - I do have some things I won't pass on - well maybe, if someone is paying enough for training ;-) Just me talking about some of my processes isn't going to harm our photo business@@nachnamevorname5917
@@KeithCooper That's what you think my dear... this phenomena I will now name the Keith effect - when you know so much that you don't have proper judgement anymore where common knowledge ends and specialty knowhow begins... 😎😋
I would rather help others in some small way than hold on to some 'special' knowledge.
Be as condescending as you like, but the thing is, I don't care...
Obviously YMMV@mevorname5917
Edit - no offence taken!
Just ordered one. My new problem solver. We'll see if it gets here before the waterfalls break open in March. Reviewers are finding the hood does detach. No lens pouch (not that I use them)? Lucky I can utilize my old Nikon 77 filters. My old Nikon 14-24 2.8 is sitting here and I'll point out that how long has it been since Nikon has been unwilling to break the 14mm barrier? And that's why I moved to Sony 2 years ago, loving 61MP. Nikon really still just don't get it. Even if they are now willing to let Chinese companies fill the many holes in their Z lens lineup. Not that I care anymore. BTW I ordered a Sony 20-70 last year before the profiles appeared. I almost sent it back because the un-corrected performance at 20 is a horror show. Today it's become an unexpected workhorse, replacing my Nikon 24-70 2.8 piece of junk.
I'd just note that those 'reviewers' are applying a lot more force to that lens than I would - the lens hood on the RF mount version I have here does NOT feel remotely inclined to come off ;-)
Hey Keith. I am thinking of getting this for 180 by 360 panoramas for virtual tours and use it instead of a fishey. What do you think? Thanks
Given the relatively low res requirements for such work, I'd prefer a fish-eye for the greater coverage and ease of use. Remember too that there are profiles for corrections for good fish-eye lenses
Thanks Keith@@KeithCooper
Would filters cause vignetting?
They need to be very thin ones - 130º is a very wide FOV.
I'll see what I can find for when I do a longer written review
How does it compare with the TS-E 17? Is 10mm wide enough to match 17mm shifted?
I regularly shoot as if I were using a TS lens, so I almost never need to correct perspective. It does mean shooting at a greater distance and cropping, the cropping is no problem on the S1R. Even if it doesn't stretch as high, it goes wide at the same time. Not even technical cameras do that.
Your frozen foot is my cool effect, especially when the shoe is pinked and its partner moving swiftly.
Wider, but I treat photography with the two lenses quite differently
@@KeithCooper I don't normally do long exposures, but if I'm out in the sun and my measured exposure is one more millisecond, then I need ten stops just to get to one second. I can't do that with the TS-E 17. This uses the same sized filters as my 14-28. Or, I have 82mm filters, so an adaptor ring.
I've used rear filters for the TS-E17 in a filtered EF->RF adapter.
@@KeithCooper I know of that adaptor, there's not one for L mount that I know of
Allan, if the "Hasselblad" fell at 16:24, would you be as calm as a boa constrictor? Thanks for the review of the lens with sample photos. (Google Transletter)
It was a bag... I only noticed this when editing the video! ;-)
Thanks
@@KeithCooper It's good that this moment remains. This brings life into the frame.
Dear Keith. What about the Laowa 9mm f/5.6 FF RL? It's even shorter - and also rectilinear.
Available for Leica M & L / Sony FE / Nikon Z
Send me a camera and lens and I'll happily look at it ;-)
@@KeithCooper Ah well... ah well, I forgot... 😁 Right now, I am swapping all my Canon gear for Sony... divorce and remarriage...
The 10mm they offer first time with AF... but then, who needs AF on a 10mm landscape/architecture lens? (And they don't even for the RF version.) So, really wondering why not the 9mm.
Yes, the 10mm is just fine without AF ;-)
Great review Keith, just a point; I don't like your comments on realestate photography. Using wide angle lenses to make interior space look larger than it is isn't ethical and is the bane of real estate agencies, bordering on dishonest advertising or misrepresentation. Buyers complain once they see the property in the flesh. Way to go is shifted shots using a longer lens. All the best from Oz😎
Ha - my comment about estate agents were not meant as praise ;-)
But... It's not considered 'unethical' or misrepresentation here - more 'essential' due to the small size of many UK properties. There are specific legal aspects of this here.
Part of the reason I know this is from teaching staff at many estate agents to take better photos for themselves* over the years - the chances of any agency buying them shift lenses is vanishingly small. BTW I'm just talking of residential sales and especially lettings.
As one told me many years ago: Photos of property have but one job - get a viewing
*Why would I as an architectural photographer want to teach people to take their own photos? There is no money in photographing properties for lower end and lettings - rates are laughable. Training gets me my full day rate, I enjoy it, and is almost always in somewhere I've never visited before, or would have any reason to stay.
'Ethical' ? Who decides what perspective is ethical ? The human eye has a field of equivalent to a 35mm lens on ff. According to you, any lens wider than 35mm is 'unethical' as it shows the rooms as unrealistically wide - no? How do you decide what fov is ethical ? 24mm ? 16mm ? 14, 12... then 10mm ? All of these focal lengths are 'unrealistically wide'.
What actually happens when you are there in a small pantry, closet, etc, id that your eyes scan around and your brain makes up effectively a very wide field of view.
Realestate buyers get used to these views and adjust accoringly.
The look of my RF10-20mm @ 10mm is 123°wide corner to corner, and in a tight space, the resultant image is much like you actually being there, scanning your eyes around.
Yes, I have shot realeste, and the look @ 10mm is prety common in that industry. Realestate buyers get used to these views and adjust accordingly, and, if every shoot uses 10mm, then it is a level playing field, no seller has an unfair advantage. I think you will find all RE is shot between 10 and 12mm.
The biggest ethical crime commited by sellers, is the hiring of special 3/4 sized furniture, ie small tables and chairs, couches, that make the room look disproportionately large. The 10mm is not the dishonest part.
@nordic5490 never seen tiny furniture used in Australian real estate, but there is an ethical standard we maintain which involves not making the property look bigger than it is by using distorting lenses. Shift lenses are the way to go. Incidentally we don't remove exterior elements such as power poles and lines. Buyers are not stupid and will see very quickly when they are being tricked.
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@@simonyoung9916 never seen tiny funiture ? You do get out much. I put a bid in a house at auction, that had a laughably small table and chairs in the kitchen. But, I was there, and I knew what I was buying. I also go to stacks of opens, and most have had staged furniture - every thing about the staging is to make the rooms look as large and inviting as possible - eg, small funriture pushed against the far wall in small bedrooms to make the room appear spacious - this is the rule rather than the exception here in Oz.
But, the truth is, most RE is shot wider than 14mm, and, tonnes of RE has been shot @ 11mm for years, using Canons 11-24mm f4 - and I have have used it 7yrs ago. The public are used to 11mm. I would say most EF 11-24mm f4 lenses were bought for RE shoots.
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