Laowa 10mm f/2.8 Zero D vs Canon RF 10-20mm f/4L (Full Frame E/Z/L/RF)

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  • Опубликовано: 18 янв 2025

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  • @TheRealRichardWong
    @TheRealRichardWong  11 месяцев назад +9

    I have been told that Laowa is developing a new firmware so that the lens can use the Sony in-camera lens profile correction to correct/minimise vignetting.

    • @fromia1
      @fromia1 11 месяцев назад +2

      Amazing news, I like that Laowa is listening and hard at work.

    • @mickue
      @mickue 9 месяцев назад

      Nice. Please keep us updated!

  • @nicolasheinemusic
    @nicolasheinemusic 11 месяцев назад +8

    this will be the new standard for real estate filming...
    as i am crazy bout wide angle lenses - its a must buy for me.

  • @piotrch0
    @piotrch0 11 месяцев назад +6

    Much needed comparison, thank you!

  • @loudandclearmedia
    @loudandclearmedia 10 месяцев назад +3

    Great review, Richard. Bravo for comparing it to the 10-20. I think a lot of people looking for this extreme field of view are cross shopping these two.

  • @ericxin-lp7jd
    @ericxin-lp7jd 11 месяцев назад +5

    As a nikon user, I'm very glad the firmware update is through the body. Good work Laowa.

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  11 месяцев назад +1

      Totally agree! I am also very surprised that Laowa managed to do that with their first AF lens!

    • @ericxin-lp7jd
      @ericxin-lp7jd 11 месяцев назад

      @@TheRealRichardWong This is the first 10mm review I saw mentioned about the firmware update. Nicely done.

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  11 месяцев назад

      @@ericxin-lp7jd i'm surprised. It is such an important/special thing for this lens

  • @victorlim5077
    @victorlim5077 11 месяцев назад +1

    Great review, Richard.

  • @TheSoaringSprite
    @TheSoaringSprite 10 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you for the great review and comparison! Exactly what I was looking for. I wondered how it stacked up against the standard Canon, Nikon and even Tamron & Sigma offerings. Years ago I bought the IRIX 11mm f/4 Blackstone for tight spaces and unfortunately that lens is not as great optically as I hoped. Lots of CA and even a bit more distortion. It works OK on a 24 megapixel sensor, but it can't seem to resolve a 45 megapixel sensor. It also seems to have some color cast and low contrast. This Laowa is going to replace that lens to use with my Nikon Z8. The autofocus is very important to me even on a lens this wide, because I plan on using it while shooting some sports! It was hard to manual-focus the IRIX in fast-paced situations, so AF is a great addition. I look forward to receiving it in the mail, hopefully soon.

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  10 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for watching and enjoy your laowa 10mm !

  • @jeremygreen8775
    @jeremygreen8775 8 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you for your thorough review of this Laowa 10mm f:2.8 super wide and super fast lens. I especially appreciate the comparison to the Canon 10-20 mm f:4 zoom lens, because it gives us a good benchmark to measure the various characteristics by. Very helpful review. I will be getting this Laowa lens!

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  8 месяцев назад

      Glad you enjoyed it! Yes exactly i thought the Canon would be a good benchmark, even if you are not shooting with Canon camera

    • @iabdulhaseeb
      @iabdulhaseeb Месяц назад

      What would you recommend between these lense.... I have R5 mark 2... I want to use for restaurant videos​@@TheRealRichardWong

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  Месяц назад

      @@iabdulhaseeb if you are ok with a fixed focal length then the laowa as it’s a lot cheaper and picture quality is very good. But if you think have flexible focal length is important then the canon. It’s really up to your usage to be honest

    • @iabdulhaseeb
      @iabdulhaseeb Месяц назад

      @@TheRealRichardWong I already have RF 35 1.8 .. but the wide shots I need more wider. Can you recommend any focal length... I saw 7. Something from loawa as well.

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  Месяц назад

      @iabdulhaseeb sorry it’s really hard to recommend , but I can tell you that 10mm is REALLY wide, it would make your 35mm lens looks like a telephoto lens. Best is go to a camera shop and try the 10-20 yourself and see what works for you

  • @Bayonet1809
    @Bayonet1809 11 месяцев назад +2

    Excellent review. I for one appreciate the length and comprehensiveness. The comparison with the Canon RF 20-20/4 was ideal and very fair in my view. I think the conclusion for that comparison is that this Laowa has the corner sharpness advantage for stopped down usage due to the lower distortion which means that the pixels in the corners are not stretched as much, although I was surprised that the Canon appeared better at f/4.
    You could have tested the lens flair performance when stopped down too, where it may have better matched up with the Canon, as in your sunstar comparison it appeared that the rainbow flair disappeared at f/4.

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  11 месяцев назад

      thanks for watching Bayonet and support as usual. And thanks for the suggestion!

  • @andrear9500
    @andrear9500 11 месяцев назад

    Really well thought review. It may be longer than usual but I appreciate giving context and making comparison.

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  11 месяцев назад

      haha yes sorry my reviews are usually quite a bit longer than average. I like to present as many test results and discussions for potential buyers to help them with their purchase decision

  • @BarneyKB
    @BarneyKB 8 месяцев назад

    Great review, very detailed and well thought out - thank you!

  • @helmutsassenfeld8002
    @helmutsassenfeld8002 3 месяца назад

    Great review. I’m ordering one today; it looks like a lot of fun!

  • @BillZebubproductions
    @BillZebubproductions 9 месяцев назад

    Which do you prefer, the 12mm or the 10mm? I plan to buy one of them because I love the perspective distortion (for create filming).

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  9 месяцев назад

      I prefer 12mm more for practical reasons just easier to shoot with. But 10mm give you crazy perspective distortion

  • @canpofficial
    @canpofficial 7 месяцев назад +2

    The optics look superb, but why have AF for other brands but not Canon RF? If it's technical, I'd really expect to have the MF-only versions to be at least cheaper. Even though there is no AF, is there electronic contacts on RF version so that EXIF data is written?

  •  Месяц назад

    Thans for such a thorough review. I'm also having a lot of fun with this lens on my Nikon Z8. Regards from the Antipodes!

  • @kentfong954
    @kentfong954 11 месяцев назад +2

    Tempting...looks very nice for my z ff camera

  • @Bayonet1809
    @Bayonet1809 11 месяцев назад +1

    It would have been nice to see a choice of aperture blade design in the autofocus version too, as I would prefer the less obvious sunstar look for consistency with my other autofocus lenses.

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  11 месяцев назад

      I would like to be able to change the aperture blade! Like swap out the whole aperture blade module. Probably impossible to do, maybe I'll ask Mr Li (Laowa's founder) when I chat to him next time

    • @Bayonet1809
      @Bayonet1809 11 месяцев назад

      @@TheRealRichardWong I imagine user-interchangeable aperture modules is not worth the engineering effort and resulting complications, but apart from SKU proliferation I don't see why offering a choice of aperture designs independent of the auto/manual focus versions is unreasonable.

  • @andreasfriedl9858
    @andreasfriedl9858 3 месяца назад +1

    To me, the biggest advantages of the Laowa over the Canon 10-20 are the close focusing distance and the ability to mount front filters. On the other hand, the Canon lens has AF, which makes automated focus bracketing possible, Choices, choices...

  • @TheArtfulPenguin01
    @TheArtfulPenguin01 10 месяцев назад +1

    One thing I wish you had done. Especially with the close focus distance is to do a focus stack. I can see the potential for landscape with a spectacular close-focus stack.
    Also, did you use a Nikon version or just a Canon version? If you used Nikon, what camera did you use?

    • @monodistortion
      @monodistortion 7 месяцев назад

      He said the two cameras he used were the Canon RP and the Nikon Z6 at 5:00. Only the Sony and Nikon versions have autofocus.

  • @fromia1
    @fromia1 11 месяцев назад +2

    This lens is really impressive.
    Also 1 stop brighter than the canon to compensate no ois.
    What is the minimum shutter speed you can realistically use handheld?

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  11 месяцев назад +2

      around 1/4s I still get good percentage of sharp photos

  • @timelapsebylkunl72
    @timelapsebylkunl72 11 месяцев назад +1

    Thank for a great review. How about this lens compare with brighting star 9mm 5.6? Cloud you please give some though.😊

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  11 месяцев назад +1

      The 9mm would be a bit wider, but to be honest 10mm is already insanely wide, so the advantage with autofocus + 2 stops faster make the Laowa 10mm a much more practical lens

    • @chengliwang144
      @chengliwang144 10 месяцев назад +1

      No AF for RF mount. so it's not an advantage for Canon shooter. 2 stops faster and 77mm front filter thread is nice, but brightin star is also 2x cheaper @ only $400

    • @timelapsebylkunl72
      @timelapsebylkunl72 10 месяцев назад

      @@TheRealRichardWongThank.

  • @carlosandreviana9448
    @carlosandreviana9448 11 месяцев назад +1

    Great review. A comparison with the 7artisans/brightin star 9mm would be great, since they share almost the same fov

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  11 месяцев назад

      Unfortunately i have already sent the Laowa 10mm back to them so can't do any more comparisons

    • @carlosandreviana9448
      @carlosandreviana9448 11 месяцев назад

      @@TheRealRichardWong well,, you could always take shots of the same subjects 😁

  • @kin-kwongdanielchan3731
    @kin-kwongdanielchan3731 11 месяцев назад +1

    It is an interesting auto-focus ultra-wide angle lens of 10mm f2.8 from Laowa, thank for nice review of it!

  • @mrmikerhubarb
    @mrmikerhubarb 11 месяцев назад

    Great review!

  • @jpdj2715
    @jpdj2715 11 месяцев назад +3

    Zero "D"? Chromatic aberration? Astigmatism? Coma? Vignetting? Orthogonal(ity) - a choice in design, by the way? Flare (visible artefacts)? Glare/haze (loss of contrast through reflection between element surfaces across entire frame)? All of these were in the "distortion class" in photography school.
    Firmware update via the camera body? Did Nikon sanction this brand/lens? Because if it is merely tolerated, then Nikon may close this route in the next firmware release, intentionally or accidentally.
    Still, nice review.
    As to "in-camera lens correction profiles" my understanding is that these are applied to SOOC JPEGs, but in the case of raw images, are encapsulated as metadata for the specific lens, not used to alter the raw data. Which means that as a raw shooter you can be indifferent to these being present in camera, if you can apply them in post, more or less automatically.

  • @SpaghettiPaparazzi
    @SpaghettiPaparazzi 11 месяцев назад

    Good job, Thank you!

  • @stjepanjina
    @stjepanjina 11 месяцев назад

    Excellent test and excellent lens from Laowa!

  • @harvey6864
    @harvey6864 11 месяцев назад

    given the degree of focus breathing the Laowa lens has, I wonder how focus stacking would work?

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  11 месяцев назад

      it still has a bit of focus breathing at/around minimum focus distance

  • @dannykrzewski2885
    @dannykrzewski2885 11 месяцев назад

    Great video!
    I am a bit disappointed about the price of the MF lens, because I want this lens for L mount (but with autofocus haha). Does the manual version give exif data and has weather sealing and aperture ring? If not I`m considering the z mount version for my Nikon ZF, although I prefer my Lumix for this kind of photography.

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  11 месяцев назад +1

      I'm pretty sure there is no EXIF data with the L mount version. I have suggested Laowa to consider joining the L-mount alliance

  • @LiKui_ak
    @LiKui_ak 2 месяца назад

    Hello! Tell me what to do if I have a Canon R camera and I need a wide-angle fixed lens with autofocus. Is there really no lens that matches my request? Because I really liked this Laowa 10mm lens, but it doesn't have autofocus...

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  2 месяца назад +1

      The closest is RF 10-20mm. Canon didn't release any prime lens with this focal length, and if i remember correctly, there is no third party RF full frame lens in the market.

    • @LiKui_ak
      @LiKui_ak 2 месяца назад

      @ Thank you for your answer! Please tell me, is it possible to photograph people without autofocus?

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  2 месяца назад

      @@LiKui_ak definitely can especially if it is portrait photo. You can use peaking and magnification to help you nail the focus. But you need a bit of practice to master it

    • @LiKui_ak
      @LiKui_ak 2 месяца назад +1

      @@TheRealRichardWong thank you very much my friend 🙏

  • @jackrussellt2211
    @jackrussellt2211 10 месяцев назад

    Why isnt it AF for L-Mount Richard? I think its a very weak decision to not do it for L-Mount.

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  10 месяцев назад

      They are not part of the L mount alliance, but I believe laowa is interested. Things take time unfortunately

    • @jackrussellt2211
      @jackrussellt2211 5 месяцев назад

      ​​@@TheRealRichardWong that cant be just it. How come Meike can do AF L-Mount lenses without joining the L-Mount Alliance? Nothing but cheap excuses from Laowa in this case. Same from Viltrox. I am highly disappointed by this behaviour. Any chance to adress this at them?

  • @JoseCarlosSantos-iy8le
    @JoseCarlosSantos-iy8le 4 месяца назад

    Hola Richard, me ha gustado mucho la review de este objetivo, no se inglés asi que solo lo puede leer en la traducción, pero , le agradezco su esfuerzo por comunicarnos y enseñarnos, me gustaría aprovechar para preguntarle algo, ya que seguro que lo compro, jaja: Si con esta lente quiero enfocar a la hiperfocal, siendo automática es complicado o no, porque si es un objetivo manual es mucho más fácil buscar la hiperfocal, Muchas gracias espero que pueda traducir mis palabras jajaj y a partir de ahora lo seguiré, mas a menudo.

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  4 месяца назад

      Hello Jose. thank you for watching my video! For hyperfocal, in theory, it would be easier to do that with a manual focus lens as you can set the focus distance accurately using the focus scale on the lens. However, a lot of manual focus lens from China do not have accurate focus distance scale on the lens so you need to do a lot of trial and error to find out what works for you. It's still relatiely easy with an ultra wide angle lens like this Laowa because of it's very deep depth of field, no matter with manual or auto lens

    • @JoseCarlosSantos-iy8le
      @JoseCarlosSantos-iy8le 4 месяца назад

      @@TheRealRichardWong hola Richard, de acuerdo muchas gracias por la información , se lo agradezco, y volveré a verle en los nuevo video, un saludo y mucha suerte y empeño, desde España.

  • @Chorge1972
    @Chorge1972 4 месяца назад

    How well is the MF feeling?! Precise?! Need II for Astro

  • @Bayonet1809
    @Bayonet1809 11 месяцев назад

    Do you have any experience with the stabilisation performance of this Laowa on the Z6 compared with the Canon RF 10-20/4 on the RP, as Canon supposedly optimised the lens IS for the ultra-wide angle of view for photos? So which lens was better stabilised in the image periphery?

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  11 месяцев назад

      I haven't done any side by side image stablisation comparison sorry

  • @jarekblaminsky
    @jarekblaminsky 5 месяцев назад

    i just put my old Sigma 12-24 on sale and had a hard choice between Laowa 9 mm 5.6 and 10 2.8. 1 mm is not much but you can clearly see with samples. Finally I made my decision to get 10 2.8 for AF, 77 mm filters and 2,8... I do believe I made the right choice.

  • @highwayman1224
    @highwayman1224 11 месяцев назад

    I have the Laowa 7.5mm 2.0 for my micro four thirds cameras and it's my favorite wide angle lens. I'm more than likely going to buy this 10mm AF for my Sony A7RV. Love Laowa lenses!

  • @DEAR_DALA_LIU
    @DEAR_DALA_LIU 11 месяцев назад

    Nice video!!!💯💯

  • @travelexplorer
    @travelexplorer 10 месяцев назад +1

    I believe the Canon has a back filter pocket

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  10 месяцев назад +1

      Yes true! Actually i mentioned that too in my canon 10-20 review.

  • @LWJCarroll
    @LWJCarroll 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks I am interested in the L mount for my Sigma fp. I really like the “vanishing point” look I can see. It should be fun for macro type and buildings etc….. Laurie. NZ. 😊

    • @LWJCarroll
      @LWJCarroll 10 месяцев назад +1

      Manual focus is fine for myself thanks.

  • @over-x-poser6289
    @over-x-poser6289 11 месяцев назад +1

    Great review as always.
    Lego bee pics stood out to me. Both have an oof rendering that gives a pleasent, surreal look. The distortion looks like motion blur...
    Title says 10-20 _f2.8_ L btw
    Cheers

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  11 месяцев назад

      Thank you for watching. Yes there is a usual look/background blur. And I have fixed the title thanks for pointing out

  • @harryvlogs7833
    @harryvlogs7833 11 месяцев назад +3

    Nah manual focus version should cost less at maybe 699 to 599

  • @CartyCantDance
    @CartyCantDance 11 месяцев назад

    Laowa will surely join the l mount alliance at point, and we can expect an autofocus when that happens. Sad that it’s not available on launch

  • @kennethgooswit3697
    @kennethgooswit3697 4 месяца назад +1

    There is a 10mm of another brand for about 245 us$ also 2.8

  • @KwasnikPictures
    @KwasnikPictures 11 месяцев назад

    Wow 10mm zero D! thats epic an lens for some creative music video shots!

  • @barryobrien1890
    @barryobrien1890 11 месяцев назад

    The af commands and software update protocol for l-mount alliance lenses are different from Sony and Nikon. You cannot put an Android app on an iPhone. They did put a menichacal adapter with manual focus. Canon does not allow any use of its protocols by any company, and l mount may have limitations for only certain vendors or may not allow lens firmware update through the body for Chinese manufacturers. Who knows. If it was as easy as you say , they would have done it.

  • @peterebel7899
    @peterebel7899 10 месяцев назад +1

    best review so far

  • @IamFreefromtheWokeLeft
    @IamFreefromtheWokeLeft 10 месяцев назад +1

    Need to see sunstars from both 5 and 14 blade versions!!

  • @Jimmyageek
    @Jimmyageek 10 месяцев назад +1

    Making Walking Vlog with it

  • @devilangel4655
    @devilangel4655 3 месяца назад

    This lens that I want, but in “reality” not really need🤪🤓 I got the 14mm.
    Nice Review🙏

  • @obedbrinkman
    @obedbrinkman 11 месяцев назад

    looks like an amazing lens, will buy one if I gather enough cash 🙂

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  11 месяцев назад +1

      money is always a problem isn't it!

    • @obedbrinkman
      @obedbrinkman 11 месяцев назад

      @@TheRealRichardWong it kinda is indeed 🙂

  • @echoauxgen
    @echoauxgen 10 месяцев назад

    Voigtlander 10mm f/5.6 for Sony

  • @Uisci81
    @Uisci81 6 месяцев назад +1

    im not spending $2300 for a lens when one does the same for $900. Canon is on crack with its pricing

  • @Mo2008di
    @Mo2008di 11 месяцев назад

    There is a typo in the title .. no RF 10-20mm F2.8 😁 it’s F4

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  11 месяцев назад +1

      Ah 😯 I've proof-watch my video so many times and missed the big title mistake lol. Thanks 👍

  • @AndrejsZavadskis
    @AndrejsZavadskis 11 месяцев назад

    zooms vs primes like apples vs bananas.

  • @kennethgooswit3697
    @kennethgooswit3697 4 месяца назад

    7artisans 10mm F2.8 Full Frame Ultra Wide Angle Fisheye Lens 178°Manual Focus for Leica/Panasonic/Sigma L Serise Mirrorless Camera

  • @tobis2265
    @tobis2265 8 месяцев назад

    Canon - you get what you pay.
    Laowa seems overprized.
    Thanks for the review.

  • @mohamadyaman
    @mohamadyaman 10 месяцев назад

    A little bummed out that the RF is only MF. But non the less very good review. Might have to get it for my Nikon z30

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  10 месяцев назад

      yeah well, hopefully one day Canon will allow third party lens manufacturers to create RF autofocus lens !

  • @AzarathGirl123
    @AzarathGirl123 7 месяцев назад

    Image quality test with 2 sub 30mpx cameras?
    Yeah, im not taking you seriously when the bar is that low

  • @auroraflash
    @auroraflash 10 месяцев назад

    Loud! It is loud! Impossible for video! Loud! :D

  • @harryvlogs7833
    @harryvlogs7833 11 месяцев назад +1

    Another disappointing lens with no AF for L mount shame on you lowa not buying this lens now

    • @TheRealRichardWong
      @TheRealRichardWong  11 месяцев назад +2

      Unfortunately there is still no third party AF lens for L-mount yet. I do know a few brands are looking into it. Meike is supposed to be releasing their AF 85 1.4 lens in L-mount very soon.

    • @harryvlogs7833
      @harryvlogs7833 11 месяцев назад

      @@TheRealRichardWong ooooo 85 f1.4 in l mount with af awesome

    • @carlosandreviana9448
      @carlosandreviana9448 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@harryvlogs7833thank Canon for not allowing af third party lenses

    • @harryvlogs7833
      @harryvlogs7833 11 месяцев назад

      @@carlosandreviana9448 has nothing to do with Conon as that is rf not L mount

    • @barryobrien1890
      @barryobrien1890 11 месяцев назад

      It's laowa's first af lens. I am sure they will add l mount in the future as they gain experience with af. I am sure it was a marketing decision