We need to start using more often more diverse language other than using "A.I" as a catch all. People frequently use "A.I" in place of: "Machine Learning", "Computer Vision", "Large Language Models", "Heuristics", "Algorithms", etc. We as a society have already lacked broad understandings of basic computer terminology and technology. I recommend people look up Richard Feynman's lecture about computer scientists use heuristics to create a program capable of "thinking"
Too many of us confuse information for wisdom and judgement, or that wealth follows strictly from skill. Or to put it more elegantly as Oscar Wilde said, "The cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing."
Yes, but what does a medieval historian know about computers? I don't recall Sir Lancelot having much to say about computers. This guy is a fear-mongering seller of popular books.
Bravo Sean Illing for inviting Yuval Noah Harari and talking time to discuss at length such an important topic as the impact of AI in the 21st Century.
Fantastic interview, I shared the video on Facebook, but I don't have many friends. Everyone please share this with everyone you can to help get this out to people.
Fascinating, I really enjoyed listening to this. I'm curious what Yuval Noah Harari thinks about the theory of A.I. Model Collapse, and how it will need new training data to evolve, when that new data is unfeasible given our current digital infrastructure
1:03:30 Not spreading a piece of information is effectively the same as censoring it, in this algorithm-driven age. That is an important detail a lot of people overlook in these discussions.
"if you GIVE people bad information..." I look at it a bit differently. When people believe bad information, that's the problem. It causes people to do bad things.
Hararis' speaches are inspiring, but he misses some points and you've got one. He assumes that people receive information with a passive attitude, without selective cognition or criticism. In the last 124 years, we have collected more good information and have stored it, and made it publicly available. But availability does not turn into spontaneous use. Also, receiveing information means processing it, and that's done internally at individual level, but also socially - when members of a collectivity, social groups, interact to decide the meaning of those information, whether they are valid or not, believable or not, important or not, and they decide whether the source of that information is to be steemed or refracted. So having good information has not solved the problem, which is the use of information, or how to get better information, how to judge its quality, how to make proper use of it and how to promote informational equality/avoid concentration.
Externalizing virtue, or grace, forces individuals to look outside themselves for solutions to problems. Similarly, personifying our troubles as a tormentor, rationalizing our difficulties as coming from an external source, gives us an excuse for our own behavior. Spirituality has a purpose, but I have to agree with Mr Harari that these systems of morality are obsolete and counterproductive.
45:43 "Are we learning how to drive AI, or is AI learning how to drive us?" we are still driving AI, but the car has already begun to learn to how to drive oneself, and learning how we drive ourselves, or rather what drives ourselves
This is great. I love leading thinkers like Yuval Noah. In any info video, training course, etc. I find about 10%-20% of the overall content to be useful to me. Either I know something already, or there is a lot of "dead space" of wasted time to get to that 20%. But with Yuval, I'm finding at least 75% of what he is saying incredibly useful and new information. Yuval is truly a great thinker of our time.
In short , Short vidio it's easy to understand than long conversation😂. Maybe VOX can make a yt short to promote this conversation and gain curious people to watchout.
Sean? Is that you, dude? Is this what it would feel like back in the day when people had pen pals then met in real life? Ha! Honestly, this is so weird, but I'm gonna give it a go, even though I've already listened on Spotify. All I can say, Sean, is good to see you, dude, and looking forward to more of this.
It’s easy to blame technology for our problems, but I think that we do so at our own peril. There are larger societal problems happening that can’t be blamed on technology. If it weren’t for technology we wouldn’t be able to enjoy this conversation.
The difficulty, or ought I say, the frustrating aspect of listening to the ideas and concerns of Yuval is that many of the disempowering and tyrannical elements which impede all our growth (growth which appears to be solely for a few wealthy/influential/tyrannical peeps) are impediments which are already at play and entrenched. Yuval makes us face that which has already placed unbreakable chains around our necks.
AI is just a big baloon, AI can (mostly) identify words and generates answers based on those, paints pictures but is not able to produce anything new. And what drives humanity is those "new" otherwise we would be still on stone age.
He's making it out to be scarier than it is because he wants to sell maximum copies of his book. Southern Baptist preachers use fire and brimstone sermons in order to maximize collection-plate offerings.
"Calculators have achieved self-awareness, and cryptocurrency? A legitimate investment now. It's inevitable; we're witnessing the beginning of the end. Remain composed, though-it was bound to happen." - 👓🧠 (in a measured tone)
Interesting. I saw a job posting for The Gray Area a bit ago. Was wondering if you all were going to start doing this as a video podcast. Interesting to see this being tried out. Seems like a lot of work is already being done to create the podcast, and adding a little more effort to add video could open it up to wider audience. 🤞🤞🤞
That is actually the intuitive view, but the counterintuitive thing he and other people are warning us about is the fact that at a certain point, if not already, those people will take directions from the AI, because it will actually be smarter and more capable of utilizing vast swaths of data that are incomprehensible to humans. In the AI future, the merely malevolent human conspiracy in control of powerful tools is actually the optimistic, best-case scenario and the more humanity-flattering idea, while, already, AI researchers admit here are aspects to the AI programs’ functioning which they don’t fully understand anymore. It’s not that they’ve forgotten what’s inside, but that some of the outcomes of what they produced are unpredictable, due to the sheer amount of data and self-directed processing involved, and the rapid rate of development, due to global competition for AI dominance.
1:03 "Hold corporations responsible for their algorithms". Unfortunately this is a big fail by the brilliant Yuval here, but I can't blame him for this desperate attempt at some optimism, when just earlier he already made several statements indicating quite clearly that is impossible. The earlier statements being those that gave a handful of inevitable scenarios where the creators of the AI's lose control of their creations because the AI is now smarter than they are. How can you hold anyone, let alone corporations, responsible for something that can no longer control? However, it will be a kind of poetic justice that the last dying gasp of the greedy corporations that created the AI dystopia, is to be bankrupted by them on their way out by those penalties.
ok, i only listened to first 5 mins. but there is a hole in his argument about information and truth. if truth is found somewhere within information, then if you have more information, then isnt that more information more likely to contain the truth you are after, than less information? its pure probability really..nothing else
We don't have enough Philosophers from all walks of life. People who have wisdom and humans having the mindset to make wisdom a priority and using that wisdom for their life purpose that money is a part of. Right now materialism and money are the highest thing in the pyramid of human existence and thats causing serious consequences. A lot of intelligent people but humans are short of Wise people. Especially in western civilizations. Also religion is serious problem. Even the expression of religion lacks true wisdom. Christians think they are better than everyone that is not a devout christian, so do Jews, so do Muslims. All three think they are the chosen ones AND don't like change in their scriptures. All that is a problem because if you are a wise person who practices religion, your wisdom will tell you that not one religion is the one, even the atheist plays an important role in this global community which includes trees and animals. Even the scientist is someone that should be studied as much as the scripture. Nature itself is a scripture that needs to be read with your whole being. "God gave man dominion over Earth" paraphrasing this but thats a serious problem if humans think that they have "dominion" as opposed to having responsibility over the Earth. Saying you have responsibility puts you on a completely different mindset, a mindset that is inclusive and not exclusive. That is Wisdom and I think that is what is lacking in ALL OF OUR WORLD LEADERS
He lost me when he said “people are basically good and they just need good information.” Pick any number of clearly destructive lifestyles to show you that having good information is often not enough. The human condition is much more complex.
@@JGeo1 Thanks for asking. Of course, this is my own opinion and feel free to disagree. I would say that, in my own "pretty good" life, I can see many times I have made bad decisions (small or big), where it was not because I didn't know what was best or good. It was because a stronger bad impulse won out (like selfishness or desire for gratification in the moment). I know many who would agree. And I think this principle is evident when we see things we clearly know are bad for us (addictions, unhealthy lifestyles, poor choices) and yet choose them anyway. We have more information now than we have ever had by far as a society. Certainly, some things are better, but a lot arguably is not. The biggest changes for good I have seen in my own life are not when my knowledge grew but my character grew. All of that to say, I personally agree with the more traditional idea of philosophy and religion that the human condition is more complex than "basically good and just need good information." I think we need both "information" and "transformation" to reach the "good" we were designed for. Thanks again for listening and engaging. Feel free to share your thoughts.
Yuval is so smart that he stupidly believes that he is a part of the chosen people who were promised the holy land even if the promise means obliterating an entire native population.
All signs point to him thinking that’s a ridiculous idea, actually but what’s the difference? Believing absurd things or thinking that absurd things seem absurd..pick what you like and ascribe it to whoever you like. Don’t check claims you don’t like. Never back down. Never acknowledge a mistake or the overwhelming ubiquity of ignorance with bits of relative clarity..which might even be calibrated with relatively congruent networking for marginally (though profound) differences in wisdom. Be confident. That’s all that matters. 😉 👍🏻 ,{^_^}”
Everyone gets a Commander Data 30:50 😂the irony.. this land is the only land.. this planet is the only planet.. this galaxy is the only galaxy etc .. this universe is the only universe .. this body is the only life I get
I am not convinced with artificial intelligence. I do not perceive it as a “revolution.” A.I is refining itself at an exponential rate, yet in its current and former forms, I have never been impressed with the technology. And it is because of the very way in which artificial intelligence sources its information: from the internet. I yearn for more than A.I. I want conscious intelligence, not artificial. Sentient intelligence.
Mr NOAH I Read in my LOGIC TEXT BOOK in 1958 AD MAN IS A RATIONAL ANIMAL I Realised in 2023 AD MAN IS AN IRRATIONAL ANIMAL. HUMAN ELEMENT IS MISSING GLOBALLY.AND ON THE WAY IN EVOLUTION. MY OPINION.
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We need to start using more often more diverse language other than using "A.I" as a catch all. People frequently use "A.I" in place of: "Machine Learning", "Computer Vision", "Large Language Models", "Heuristics", "Algorithms", etc. We as a society have already lacked broad understandings of basic computer terminology and technology. I recommend people look up Richard Feynman's lecture about computer scientists use heuristics to create a program capable of "thinking"
+1
@@mjjjermaine that's what the like button is for
Yes sir going now.
@@joemkdd +2
your more diverse language other than using "A.I: Alien Intelligence....
The interviewer has a class-attentive and composed. Gave enough chances for the guest to express himself clearly. Thanks for the information.
Yuval’s conversations are always thought provoking. We need to heed his concerns
Too many of us confuse information for wisdom and judgement, or that wealth follows strictly from skill. Or to put it more elegantly as Oscar Wilde said, "The cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing."
Harari is incentivized by the handsome profits of his books to preach of fire and brimstone.
"If you give good people bad information, they make bad decisions" Absolutely right
Yes, but what does a medieval historian know about computers? I don't recall Sir Lancelot having much to say about computers. This guy is a fear-mongering seller of popular books.
Bravo Sean Illing for inviting Yuval Noah Harari and talking time to discuss at length such an important topic as the impact of AI in the 21st Century.
Just heard the special announcement on the podcast feed, I was worried you cancelling the show. Don't do that, you are a great interviewer!
I thought the same thing. Normally two minute podcast episodes aren't good news.
Same!
Nexus is perhaps the most important book published in the last 20 years. A must read and must be expanded on.
Interesting Conversation ❤
I imagined Sean completely different 😅
Same!
I wasn't expecting him to be the older brother of Steve from Blues Clues
How did you imagine him and what do you think now?
I’m unfamiliar with him.
How we can spread and such clarity and wisdom for all leaders and all humanity!! Yuval's speech all blow my mindset.
Fantastic interview, I shared the video on Facebook, but I don't have many friends. Everyone please share this with everyone you can to help get this out to people.
I just dont wanna to come back here after 5-10 yr , just to say , this man was ahead of his time.
Are you a time traveler
You won't be able to... the algorithm will remove this video.
Lol no, this will age like milk.
Thanks for sharing this here. I freaking love this guy.
score one for youtube recommendations... this guy was impressive on Maher
“People who master these mythologies, ideologies, theologies who give the orders in the end”. My god Yuval….preacher teacher!!!!!!
Yuval Noah Harari? What does Ja Rule think about AI?
Where is Ja? Somebody pls find Ja so we can make sense of all this..
This video is an interview of Yuval Noah Harari, not an interview of Jarule!
If you read this book you will learn a lot that you didn’t know. It’s really pithy, entertaining, and big picture on its thought.
Plz bringing more podcasts like this. Great show
Fascinating, I really enjoyed listening to this. I'm curious what Yuval Noah Harari thinks about the theory of A.I. Model Collapse, and how it will need new training data to evolve, when that new data is unfeasible given our current digital infrastructure
1:03:30 Not spreading a piece of information is effectively the same as censoring it, in this algorithm-driven age.
That is an important detail a lot of people overlook in these discussions.
Incredible Conversation. Ty.
"if you GIVE people bad information..." I look at it a bit differently. When people believe bad information, that's the problem. It causes people to do bad things.
Hararis' speaches are inspiring, but he misses some points and you've got one. He assumes that people receive information with a passive attitude, without selective cognition or criticism. In the last 124 years, we have collected more good information and have stored it, and made it publicly available. But availability does not turn into spontaneous use. Also, receiveing information means processing it, and that's done internally at individual level, but also socially - when members of a collectivity, social groups, interact to decide the meaning of those information, whether they are valid or not, believable or not, important or not, and they decide whether the source of that information is to be steemed or refracted. So having good information has not solved the problem, which is the use of information, or how to get better information, how to judge its quality, how to make proper use of it and how to promote informational equality/avoid concentration.
Externalizing virtue, or grace, forces individuals to look outside themselves for solutions to problems. Similarly, personifying our troubles as a tormentor, rationalizing our difficulties as coming from an external source, gives us an excuse for our own behavior. Spirituality has a purpose, but I have to agree with Mr Harari that these systems of morality are obsolete and counterproductive.
A great talk :) it was a pleasure to hear it in my house
This is the medicine that Elon Musk, Zuckerberg and more need to take.
45:43 "Are we learning how to drive AI, or is AI learning how to drive us?"
we are still driving AI, but the car has already begun to learn to how to drive oneself, and learning how we drive ourselves, or rather what drives ourselves
Sean has a physical form haha!!! Hope to see more of these!
This is great. I love leading thinkers like Yuval Noah.
In any info video, training course, etc. I find about 10%-20% of the overall content to be useful to me. Either I know something already, or there is a lot of "dead space" of wasted time to get to that 20%. But with Yuval, I'm finding at least 75% of what he is saying incredibly useful and new information. Yuval is truly a great thinker of our time.
Wow, Sean Illing is super handsome.
How does this not have a million views?
Because the majority of people have the attention-span to only watch TikTok shorts
I gotcha... Because the algorithm suppressed it?
In short , Short vidio it's easy to understand than long conversation😂. Maybe VOX can make a yt short to promote this conversation and gain curious people to watchout.
Mr Guesswork is back!
Sean is real?! Looking good man! Hopefully there’s more like this!!
"Fiction is much much cheaper than the truth." Yuval Noah Harari
Mind Blowing
Sean? Is that you, dude? Is this what it would feel like back in the day when people had pen pals then met in real life? Ha! Honestly, this is so weird, but I'm gonna give it a go, even though I've already listened on Spotify. All I can say, Sean, is good to see you, dude, and looking forward to more of this.
Great interview. And I'm here thanks to the YT algorithm😮
It’s easy to blame technology for our problems, but I think that we do so at our own peril. There are larger societal problems happening that can’t be blamed on technology. If it weren’t for technology we wouldn’t be able to enjoy this conversation.
Excellent.
“Over time we learned how to construct more effective mythologies, ideologies, and theologies”.
4:00 "truth is rare"
4:30 "truth is complecated"
3:00 information helps in connecting people
3:15 easiest ways to connect people
5:30 "humans interest in power"
9:00 "power order & truth"
21:30 AI & surveillance
The difficulty, or ought I say, the frustrating aspect of listening to the ideas and concerns of Yuval is that many of the disempowering and tyrannical elements which impede all our growth (growth which appears to be solely for a few wealthy/influential/tyrannical peeps) are impediments which are already at play and entrenched. Yuval makes us face that which has already placed unbreakable chains around our necks.
We are even being pushed constantly into using AI. Who is doing that and why? Just to make profits?
,,, great channel,, great speaker ) sic! ( ...
Hi Sean Hling.
This is so spot on.
Thankfully, AI still led me to this video, so maybe there is hope.
2 bald people who know more than me
"We" are not doing anything, small groups of individuals are responsible for much of the problems.
How can you overstate the role of “truth”. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Yuval would be an enemy of the atheist, but he was not wrong about his ideology. Nice work team
AI is just a big baloon, AI can (mostly) identify words and generates answers based on those, paints pictures but is not able to produce anything new. And what drives humanity is those "new" otherwise we would be still on stone age.
He's making it out to be scarier than it is because he wants to sell maximum copies of his book. Southern Baptist preachers use fire and brimstone sermons in order to maximize collection-plate offerings.
"Calculators have achieved self-awareness, and cryptocurrency? A legitimate investment now. It's inevitable; we're witnessing the beginning of the end. Remain composed, though-it was bound to happen." - 👓🧠 (in a measured tone)
Lol.
I would love to know the premise to this joke everyone seems to know but me. Please- I’m legitimately asking
Who are the owners of the algorithms?
Interesting. I saw a job posting for The Gray Area a bit ago. Was wondering if you all were going to start doing this as a video podcast. Interesting to see this being tried out. Seems like a lot of work is already being done to create the podcast, and adding a little more effort to add video could open it up to wider audience. 🤞🤞🤞
Where did you see the job posting? LinkedIn?
@@coolchessnerd On the Vox website. Applied, never heard back. 🤷♂ Guess they found a video editor.
I imagined Sean with more hair
I focus on the next generation. O Corp will make kids system.
Respected sir vipassana centre needs little bit of ai not in cooking emotions and sq missing in ai
We humans make no sense whatsoever.
Correction: the AI don’t control anything. The people who control the AI are in control.
That is actually the intuitive view, but the counterintuitive thing he and other people are warning us about is the fact that at a certain point, if not already, those people will take directions from the AI, because it will actually be smarter and more capable of utilizing vast swaths of data that are incomprehensible to humans.
In the AI future, the merely malevolent human conspiracy in control of powerful tools is actually the optimistic, best-case scenario and the more humanity-flattering idea, while, already, AI researchers admit here are aspects to the AI programs’ functioning which they don’t fully understand anymore.
It’s not that they’ve forgotten what’s inside, but that some of the outcomes of what they produced are unpredictable, due to the sheer amount of data and self-directed processing involved, and the rapid rate of development, due to global competition for AI dominance.
Hello. Good market 👌. Good luck 👍
1:03 "Hold corporations responsible for their algorithms". Unfortunately this is a big fail by the brilliant Yuval here, but I can't blame him for this desperate attempt at some optimism, when just earlier he already made several statements indicating quite clearly that is impossible. The earlier statements being those that gave a handful of inevitable scenarios where the creators of the AI's lose control of their creations because the AI is now smarter than they are. How can you hold anyone, let alone corporations, responsible for something that can no longer control? However, it will be a kind of poetic justice that the last dying gasp of the greedy corporations that created the AI dystopia, is to be bankrupted by them on their way out by those penalties.
I think it is possible to control and protect from A.I. The question is: how and when, not if.
Harari's just trying to sell copies of his books. Apocalyptical pronouncements. Grim omens. It all sells well.
correction/ face recognition is not AI
What if we just pull the plug ?
I love you Yuvi you are so different
This guy is a Thinker but he has a lot of wisdom
Finallyyyyyyyy
ok, i only listened to first 5 mins. but there is a hole in his argument about information and truth. if truth is found somewhere within information, then if you have more information, then isnt that more information more likely to contain the truth you are after, than less information? its pure probability really..nothing else
We don't have enough Philosophers from all walks of life. People who have wisdom and humans having the mindset to make wisdom a priority and using that wisdom for their life purpose that money is a part of. Right now materialism and money are the highest thing in the pyramid of human existence and thats causing serious consequences. A lot of intelligent people but humans are short of Wise people. Especially in western civilizations. Also religion is serious problem. Even the expression of religion lacks true wisdom. Christians think they are better than everyone that is not a devout christian, so do Jews, so do Muslims. All three think they are the chosen ones AND don't like change in their scriptures. All that is a problem because if you are a wise person who practices religion, your wisdom will tell you that not one religion is the one, even the atheist plays an important role in this global community which includes trees and animals. Even the scientist is someone that should be studied as much as the scripture. Nature itself is a scripture that needs to be read with your whole being. "God gave man dominion over Earth" paraphrasing this but thats a serious problem if humans think that they have "dominion" as opposed to having responsibility over the Earth. Saying you have responsibility puts you on a completely different mindset, a mindset that is inclusive and not exclusive. That is Wisdom and I think that is what is lacking in ALL OF OUR WORLD LEADERS
Too idealist, if I'm not into power then everyone also isn't interested in power, especially those who seek & acquire it in government?!??? 🤔🤦🏽♂️
He lost me when he said “people are basically good and they just need good information.” Pick any number of clearly destructive lifestyles to show you that having good information is often not enough. The human condition is much more complex.
Why would you assume that those people had good information?
@@JGeo1 Thanks for asking. Of course, this is my own opinion and feel free to disagree. I would say that, in my own "pretty good" life, I can see many times I have made bad decisions (small or big), where it was not because I didn't know what was best or good. It was because a stronger bad impulse won out (like selfishness or desire for gratification in the moment). I know many who would agree. And I think this principle is evident when we see things we clearly know are bad for us (addictions, unhealthy lifestyles, poor choices) and yet choose them anyway. We have more information now than we have ever had by far as a society. Certainly, some things are better, but a lot arguably is not. The biggest changes for good I have seen in my own life are not when my knowledge grew but my character grew. All of that to say, I personally agree with the more traditional idea of philosophy and religion that the human condition is more complex than "basically good and just need good information." I think we need both "information" and "transformation" to reach the "good" we were designed for. Thanks again for listening and engaging. Feel free to share your thoughts.
Yuval is so smart that he stupidly believes that he is a part of the chosen people who were promised the holy land even if the promise means obliterating an entire native population.
His people have done more to destroy humanity than anyone else.
All signs point to him thinking that’s a ridiculous idea, actually but what’s the difference? Believing absurd things or thinking that absurd things seem absurd..pick what you like and ascribe it to whoever you like.
Don’t check claims you don’t like. Never back down. Never acknowledge a mistake or the overwhelming ubiquity of ignorance with bits of relative clarity..which might even be calibrated with relatively congruent networking for marginally (though profound) differences in wisdom.
Be confident. That’s all that matters.
😉 👍🏻 ,{^_^}”
He scares me when he speaks!
❤
715 Osinski Track
Watching from St George Estate Grenada in the Caribbean
Everyone gets a Commander Data
30:50 😂the irony.. this land is the only land.. this planet is the only planet.. this galaxy is the only galaxy etc
.. this universe is the only universe
.. this body is the only life I get
I am not convinced with artificial intelligence. I do not perceive it as a “revolution.” A.I is refining itself at an exponential rate, yet in its current and former forms, I have never been impressed with the technology. And it is because of the very way in which artificial intelligence sources its information: from the internet. I yearn for more than A.I. I want conscious intelligence, not artificial. Sentient intelligence.
Gerson Glens
Why did you bring on an Israeli historian instead of an actual researcher or engineer in the field?
889 Schmidt Canyon
Mr NOAH
I Read in my LOGIC TEXT BOOK in 1958 AD
MAN IS A RATIONAL ANIMAL
I Realised in 2023 AD
MAN IS AN IRRATIONAL ANIMAL.
HUMAN ELEMENT IS MISSING GLOBALLY.AND ON THE WAY IN EVOLUTION.
MY OPINION.
Big liars eat little liars life
0993 Madelyn Hills
39:03
When he talks about totalliatrianism .. you can replace that by the COVID policy (he supported).
Who is this blatherer?
317 Kuhn Stravenue
I wish he didnt say the same things in every single interview and lecture per time frame
I thought this podcast was going to be about going bald
😂
Yuval is the king of teleological thinking. Total intelectual fraud
Evil 666
Dude is talking in circles. Basically yapping
We mock what we fail to grasp?
I guess it didn't mesh well with what the algorithm normally feeds you? Enjoy your dicta... I mean your irreversible autocracy.
If you’re gonna start uploading podcasts, I’m unsubscribing.
Bye 👋
why?
Is Vox really platforming the infotainment guy that academia says gets a lot wrong in his books?
I feel like that's a weird way to display your GameCube. Like he's doing it so you know it's a GC and he's a "cool" guy
Yuval is more pro western than pro israel. I like him❤
rise of the AIpes