Archery | Quivers - What's the Difference?
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- Bow quivers, back quivers, field quivers, hip quivers. What's the difference?
Equipment featured:
Bows:
Bear Takedown
Mandarin Duck Phantom (donated by Mandarin Duck)
Quivers:
NEET Back Quiver
Easton QH100 Hip Quiver
Mandarin Duck Ranger Jungle Quiver (donated by Mandarin Duck)
W&W A-1 Magnetic Hip Quiver
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I love how confident you are of your ability that you set a target up in front of a window and solar panels. Genius.
Yea, if it was me, or any other beginner we would be smart and make the area around the target such that if we miss there would be little chance of hitting something breakable. aka: Don't shot in the direction of breakable items.
Of course, he is shooting at a pretty short distance in his backyard here. I'm sure he doesn't have windows behind the target when he's shooting 70m at the club.
Yeah, shoot thru the window and kill that naggin wife. Lol
Update. He broke a window
It's irresponsible no matter how good he is.
Here's a tip for back quiver users:
If you gather dry pine needles, you can bundle them with thread and string, then stuff the bundle into the bottom of your quiver. This will keep the arrows from rattling around, and if you make the bundle thick enough it will keep the arrows from falling out even if the quiver is turned upside down.
Would the pine attract insect? I’m a begginer and even though Nunsenseis videos are very helpful I still end up having a lot of questions
@@Okeydoke694 It doesn't attract insects in my quiver... 🏹
4:05 please move your target a foot to your right.
Thank you,
Your window
And the solar panels on the roof, how about that
Tell the window he normally uses a bottle cap from a Coca-Cola as a target, inside a greenhouse. No worries ;)
Right cause a single foot matters in the grand scheme of things.
My thoughts exactly haha
Of course a quiver is important.
it might even give you +20% Arrow damage and a chance to shoot 2 arrows in one shot.
No wait... disregard...
And if you have extra mana, you can craft an infinite quiver, and just keep firing.
M1n3r Cr4ft3r G4m3r some say if you get hellstone irl yiu can make your bow into a sharanga
And a chance to return an arrow to your quiver on a critical...
Diablo II modding i could creat some sick ass quivers with + hella attributes and chance of explosion and stuff lol god i miss D2... such a good game... (ALWAYS played Amazon cause bow.)
I'm pretty sure he gets enough of a buff from his belt to shoot like his name was Connor Kenway.
*equips all the quivers*
Come at me bro.
Nebojsa Aleksic I shoot compound, crossbow, and speedbow
So I have 2 quivers
Single pouch leather short hip quiver with 25 bolts (actually it’s the field quiver but forward on the right because it’s short and big so good for having tones of bolts)
And back quiver with 16+24 arrows
So yeah
@@lucasky1394 This one is ready.
I'm a little late but you might want to look at this guy ruclips.net/video/PFMDA6RuQzA/видео.html
You make me quiver in fear
Best quiver?
Plastic cone on the floor.
A table stand 10/10
Makes it difficult to walk through the woods...
I would say if you do target archery like at indoor ranges a lot yes.
A school clasic
Sand in a bucket for meee
I just purchased my first bow to start archery, and I just want to say, I hope it goes "pew pew" lol
Teddee Jordan did it gow “pew pew” or “pew * long pause* pew”
Hope you got a armguard... I didn't now my arm's bruised
@@idkwhatislife7120 I did. I don't think I've actually popped it yet, but I'm glad it's there.
I remember going to the range with my parents as a kid back in the 70's.
A good back quiver could hold a six pack along with arrows.
My Howard Hill style quiver is large enough for ten arrows, an a pair of Gym shoes. I need these when we do indoor training.
Is that the assasins creed symbol on the belt for the field quiver lol
It is mate
Also the Jedi Order's symbol on the bow mounted quiver.
Okay so I wasn't the only one who saw that
Ellixit its the symbol of the rebel alliance on the bow quiver
No its definitely the Jedi Order
As a note on the field quiver, it's important to recognise that just because you can't see the arrows, doesn't mean that they disappear. They can be especially problematic in a target archery competition where archers are placed close together. In many competitions you will only have 80cm of personal space. Too often when the archer in front of me is using a field quiver, I've had to ask them to stop poking me with their arrows. A target/hip quiver is much better for this purpose. You can move it to the small of your back so the arrows are perpendicular to the shooting line to take up the smallest amount of space.
Thanks for the videos. I'm just getting into Archery and your channel is a great resource. Thanks!
Hey Rick, did you keep up with Archery? It's been 3 years, you must be really good now
@@VTKingdomsawing nah - I moved away from my local archery range and have given up the sport for now.
@@Shrubtastic well at least you’re honest! Good luck with finding a new hobby!
I love my field quiver. It feels more fluent for me to have the arrows out of the way and knowing when I draw an arrow, the point is always facing forwards. Plus, I think it looks cooler than a hip quiver.
That assassins creed belt tho
AYE B0SS!
R.I.P. Papa Franku
What do you recommend for Orc battles?
Chris Musix just throw your bow at them. Who needs arrows?
i recommend back quivers so that you can pull out arrows as quickly as possible. they also let you lie on your back if you must.
GY1415 as long as the quiver doesn’t crush tight.
A carbine style rifle
Bow mounted with explosive tipped arrows..
Do you really place your target in front of a WINDOW? :-O
Btw: one should also mention another downside to the back quiver. If you have a load of arrows in the back quiver and you try to lurk through the woods (trying not to scare up game), you might find yourself having a hard time cause you get stuck at literally every branch. This is not only annoying, but will also make quite a lot of noise.
Also forgetting yourself & bending down too far: CLACK, CLACK......oops!
The real surprise is he still does it after shooting out the window once before. Maybe they replaced it with polycarbonate
Rob Smith Huh? I'm not sure what you're saying with your comment
Cade Thumann When wearing a back quiver you have to crouch to...say pick something up from the ground. If you bend at the waist all of your arrows fall out. :)
Rob Smith You could avoid that with either 1. Instead of bending over, you simply crouch down like how I do if I want to pick up or want to investigate something lying on the groubd. 2. Using a quiver that holds the arrows securely. For instance, I've heard of some material such as foam on the bottom can hold the arrows decently. An even better example is a quiver that collapses and holds the arrows. For instance, one of the world's most famous archers, Howard Hill, used a quiver that pinched and held the arrows in place. There's even a video under a user named ryddragyn where he owns such a quiver and demonstrates that even when holding it upside down, the arrows don't spill out.
Field quiver seems to combine the negatives of hip quiver and back quiver.
Somebody needs to make a quiver that can be easily switch from hip to back. So we can set it to hip while shooting and to back while doing anything else.
Something like this?
www.amazon.com/Mountain-Suede-Side-Back-Quiver/dp/B0097RHGF4
Great ideal. I'm going to try to develop one. Idk of possible but in theory anything is possible with the right mindset.
I make one. It's not really usable as a quiver whilst on your back as the arrows sit behind the opposite shoulder but it is out of the way whilst stalking etc. When in use it sits on your side like a field quiver. It's just a matter of sliding the shoulder strap to adjust from back to hip.
The trick is in the way the quiver is attached to the strap.
I'll have a website or etsy page soon. I make different types of archery gear from leather.
How about a chest Quiver?
Wow, Sensei guy has confidence. I would never put a target in front of a window because I would be replacing that window constantly. Probably a fair number of arrow sized holes would need patching in the far wall as well.
Cheers for this! I've signed up for my first lesson this weekend and can't wait! I'm also a leathercrafter and am excited to get making my quivers/chest guards and finger guards. So this is really helpful info!:)
Love the Assassin's Creed belt! Thank you for all your input, I'm getting into archery now and you have helped me a lot
Hello NUSensei, I just got my first archery experience today. I have 0 experience until today, I was in the range for a couple of hours. I did not even realize how much time passed by, definitely had a blast. Its surprisingly relaxing as well.
That window 😂
I wanted to come down here and say that. Now THAT'S confidence!
The thing is, he is so good he can get away with it
So, after watching this video I eventually stumbled on "Oops... and Matching Arrows" (which was published BEFORE this video, which means after he made that video he continued shooting at his window. The confidence is real).
Stuart Redman this lad has balls of steal , maybe one day we’ll see “ops i shot off my solar panels”
Something i find quite funny is when people first use a back quiver and try to grab an arrow while turning their hips and basically turning the arrows away from their hands. I never had that problem when i started archery.
I love the safety of the Target on bins beside a glass window of a house, Love your work
Thank you for taking your time to make such informative videos!
Love how you’re confident enough to put your target in front of a window.
The back quiver is usually my go-to, but I still have the issues mentioned, like losing track of my arrows hiding where I can't get to them or drop a handful while missing the quiver altogether. Personally, that window behind the target would make me nervous. Great video as usual.
Thanks for the great educational video, and a huge thanks for not ruining it with crappy background music while you're talking. I don't know why some people are compelled to add annoying background music throughout the video.
My shoulder doesn't go back far enough to reach behind me for an arrow. So I'm going to make a forward facing hip quiver. This video has me started in the right direction.
Thank you for your insight!
I just bought my first bow today but didn’t buy a quiver. Small selection and didn’t know what was best. Again, such a helpful video. Always go to yours first. Thank you.
Now to decide. Really like the looks of a nice leather one.
Thank you for the comparison of quivers. Very useful info!
Thanks for the video! i wanna try a field quiver, cause i'm tired of my normal target quiver. Hopping to get one for Christmas, Thanks for the video!
oh look, the window is replaced :)
Yay for more archery videos :D
I dont do archery but I believe this is a quality video. Even the background, it feels so natural
Such a good channel for archery a-z
Hello, and thanks for the video. Very informative and comprehensive. Now if I may suggest another type of quiver, not as common, but used by some of the native American tribes is one that you sling over your shoulder and hangs on the opposite side by the hip or so. It can be manuvered easily whether you were walking, or on horseback. Swung in different directions, yet you had control of it. Anyway, I just thought I would throw another type of quiver in the pot. Again, thanks for your videos, I have learned a lot.
I love my field quiver. Very handy for hiking through the woods. I'm not cool enough to rock a back quiver. But if I ever get there, I think I'd get a Hill-style one. Those seem to negate a lot of the usual problems with back quivers. For instance, they have a flat shape so the leather collapses and holds the arrows tight preventing rattling and arrows falling out. Anyway, nice video and I love your Bear Takedown. Gorgeous bow.
Hey thank you so much for this really GREAT informational video!
one of the best budget quivers for back yard shooting is back pocket on pants :D used it for about year with no problems :) but good summary for beginners
Absolutely!
I hate holes in pant pockets, though: my first quiver was the inside of a roll of aluminium foil cut in half, one end closed and then prettied up. Although I have a good back quiver, I still use the DIY back pocket one.
ThePirhi
I used duct tape to make a quiver that fits in my back pocket.
Red green is a hero of mine.
I have a nice back pocket quiver made by traditions leathercraft. Very nice quiver.
I was looking into these...but i don't use pants with back pocket during summer...
Hey Nu! Great video as always. I’m always curious for what people carry on them at the range. It would be cool to see what’s in your quiver besides arrows. It could make for an interesting video. :)
I've been using a field quiver for the last 5 months and I love it. The only thing I find annoying about it is how I have to consciously move my arrows of I am on a tight line (someone walks behind me), or navigating through tight areas, (I have to hold the arrows against my side). Other than that it is fine.
This was soooo good, thank you!!!! The thumbnail is exactly how I felt!! lol
Nice video, very helpful. Thanks, Mark 👍 p.s. nice shooting.
Love the Assassin's Creed belt (buckle) you use with the Field Quiver! ;)
love your videos! so helpful!
Love your work .. and go the Creed belt buckle ..!
Pew pew!...great vids either way I've learned quite a bit about the sport...thanks
I tried the field quiver a couple of times, it was a bit awkward for me. When I was buying my own, the store didn't have any cheap ones so i just got a normal hip-quiver. Now my arrows catch on benches, doors, and other people! Also, when I walk it makes a distinct rattling sound. I'd still choose a hip quiver, very convenient
Does anyone else only shoot 6 arrows from a back quiver & despite the low arrow count STILL grab at nothing after the sixth? ;)
Rob Smith I have used every type of quiver and yes, I have grabbed "air-o"s many times.
Ha, good to know its not just me! I was seriously beginning to doubt my ability to count to six XD
I use a quiver with the arrows fasing behind me, and i grab after more arrows pertty mutch every time its emphty
Rob Smith I built my back quiver and still think I have Legolas's powers of unlimited arrows. Just for perspective, it has been over six years since I started archery and over one year since I built the quiver.
Rob Smith i do it with side quivers.......
I need to learn how to count
On my club team at my college, we use ground quivers made from PVC pipe and a sort of wood block for stability. They aren't fancy and you do have to collect your arrows and bring them back without a quiver, but they are very easy to both be able to see the arrows and grab one to use. I've used a cheap side quiver before and if you need a cheap option, the PVC ground quiver much less hassle.
Insanely good review of quivers 👌
I made a pocket quiver out of leather. Small, neat, holds 6-8 arrows and fits either directly into the back pocket of your jeans or can be put onto a belt. In the field it holds the arrows tight against your back so they don't snag and is very quiet but arrows are easy to reach in the same movement as a field quiver. So far it works really well.
cool,i am just starting making mine. you'r giving some new ideas .
Although I am gonna be a compound archer, I see your videos as I find it very interesting and funny
Good video, as always.
Super good video - I bought a hip quiver for stumping and field. It was super, super annoying!
Found this very useful
Thanks... I work leather and wanted to know which one to make for 3D. I noticed Lancaster calls forward facing hip quiver "target quivers" and the rear-facing ones, as you say, "field quivers". While I'd like to compete at target events, there isn't a lot of lower-level action where I am, but there is considerable 3D, so my first homemade quiver should likely be for 3D. I am very happy with my arm guard made by tooling vegetable-tanned leather. I have a typical, minimalist guard for FITA(World Archery?) sporty target venues, whereas the 3-strap vambrace is great for the Asiatic recurve that challenges form a bit more and has frapped me pretty good a time or two.
Back quiver for me all the way. It's just what I'm used to. BTW, major props for the target in front of a window! I tried that once, didn't go well. Let's just say I learned a lot about replacing windows so my landlord wouldn't find out ;)
I've been reading where a lot of guys are buying inexpensive nylon hip quivers and putting the cut bottom of a 16oz water battle in the bottom and a rolled up plastic place mat from the 99 cents store inside for stability! Sounds good to me!
A tip I got when it came to quiver belts. Handbag or laptop bag straps work well and awesome for kids as kids ones are hard to find. Well, I've found it hard to find them or they're to thick.
For me the most important thing with a quiver is that it has lots of space for extra things and a place to hang water bottles from and stuff.
Elliot Stjernqvist I carry a tube of hog fat, extra sinews and twine, a few feathers, and a couple points in the bottom of my quiver just in case.
Not a quiver related question but after thousands and thousands of pull, is there a significant imbalance in your back and shoulder muscles? If so, do you do anything to alleviate the imbalance?
Davee Le Thier might be a slight difference. I’m not completely sure as I only shoot a couple times a week with a 60# draw weight and have never noticed anything. Both your muscles in your arms will undergo stress when shooting a bow.
Thousands and thousands of draws would take a long, long time for a casual archer. Even someone practising every day is going to need a year. But someone practising every day will be doing so for international competition. What this means is the muscle growth will have been gradual, so much less noticeable than going to a gym for instance. However most importantly, there will not be an imbalance in a high frequency archer because they know, or have learned correct technique. When drawn properly there is almost no bicep contraction, both arms end up with the same amount of tricep action, while the laterals and trapezoids have both worked in conjunction to expand the chest. If you are not actually using all of those muscle groups properly you will not have a very good time as an archer and probably won't make thousands of shots.
Davee Le..I have shot and or drawn my bow well over 30,000 times in over a year..There is an imbalance,albeit slight..(it is not very visually noticeable)..I do gym work also,to gain strength,stamina and establish the 'balance'..However,I did notice the gain in strength in my left arm (I am a right handed archer)..Especially in the front delts..But not like a great bulge of muscle..just generally more stamina with dumbells and fitter on my left..Which in truth,has in fact created a 'balance' ie;making the bow arm (left in my case)..as strong as the drawing arm..Hope this helps..
I heard that some of the bodies that they recovered from the wreck of the Mary Rose (Henry VIII's flag ship?) had deformations to their backs (to their scapulars perhaps?) consistent with archers, specialised in firing the English "War-bow", with a draw weight of 120lb or more. Regular practice with such extreme bows is bound to change your body accordingly. (I found glass house's comments on this matter interesting too). PS: the Mary Rose was the main source of our present knowledge of the size and strength of the English War bow / long bow as many bows were stored aboard, 2 to 3 for each archer perhaps?
@@russirvine9454 This is where I seriously need a trainer. I got my 25lb recurve this winter and have only shot it a few times (plan to do more in summer), but struggle knowing correct position for my shoulder.
I know you're really good, but that window has me freaking out.
Super helpful, thank you
What about the big canvas sack for traditional longbow shooters?
Also what are your thoughts on ground quivers/bow rests?
Hi, I just subscribed to your channels. You make great videos, which I find very useful.
What sort of arrows do you tend to use the most? I use 32 inch fibreglass arrows. What do you think are best? Carbon fibre, fibreglass or aluminium? It would be helpful if you could reply, because I am buying more arrows soon, and I want to know if I should stick with the ones I have or if I should get some different ones.
I prefer carbon. Usually with screw in tips. It's fairly durable and can be bought for somewhat cheap. I avoid fiberglass, because I've seen spines shatter on hard impacts.
I tried aluminum a few times, but the price was what really sent me to carbon.
The company I usually buy from is called AC Archery, and though they're China based, the arrows I got from them are well worth the 2.25 a piece.
a small note on the bow quivers, not all models require u to screw it to the bow , some use a padded rubber band , so can be used on all wood/ trad bows
I wear my field quiver on my left hip with the arrows out in front of me. I'm able to shoot almost twice as fast like that. I can be alittle hard to find the exact right spot to wear it so the arrows don't get in the way of the bow, but when I got it "tuned in" it just "felt right".
I remember when I was younger, I kept all my archery gear in an Eddie Bauer duffel bag that was the perfect size to be a quiver
Another thing to note. Some bow quivers do not need to be screwed on the bow. Selway quivers slide and strap on to your bow. Some also go in your limb bolts on a takedown bow
Hello NUSensei, outstanding videos! Regarding the arrows you are shooting from the Field Quiver and Recurve Bow, what are all the specifications for the arrows? Spine, Weight, Diameter, Fletching, Point/Insert, Brand etc. Thank you Good Sir.
Back quiver user here. Honestly, it has nothing to do with looks. It's extremely practical IMO. After a shot, my hand is already 90% of the way to the next arrow in my quiver, so in terms of economy of motion, I would rank it highest. In addition, when pulling the arrow out, it's already on the correct side of the bow, so I don't have to thread the arrow between the bow and the string, or swing the arrow over the top of the bow as I would have to with a hip or field quiver. In my opinion it is the best style of the three, but I know I'm in the minority as most archers on the line use hip quivers.
The only material disadvantage is that I can't see my arrows, so I sometimes reach back for my next arrow only to find it's empty. Is it really a big deal? No, not at all. As for returning arrows to the quiver, it's easiest if you reach low behind your back with your left hand to push the whole quiver up a bit, then use your right hand to put the arrows in as you look over your right shoulder. I admit I occasionally drop one, but I see hip quiver users drop them too :P
I love the back quiver i shoot both compound 70lb and recurve 35lb and found it is easier to grab and shoot and practicing pullling it out fast enough to get a second shot at an animal (if hunting) for target practice i usually bend stand on higher ground climb ladders so its easier to grab to have something attached to my back than at my hip and risk falling down
Its become a part of my form to reach where arrows are after the follow through, even when im not using a quiver(Im good at making bad habits)
People sometimes ask if im posing for a camera, since my hand goes behind my head for seemingly no reason at times.
At 12:42 that background noise reminds me of the 1st day when our music class got our Kazoos.
that's right fellow tubers, I was in the "tone deaf" class. Best part was that we all knew we weren't band material
so we just whaled on those kazoos which sounded like a bunch of wounded geese.
Some of the issues you stated with a back quiver could be remedied by moving the opening up just above the shoulder, its how ive always done it and never an issue for that last arrow. Another thing people dont think about with back quivers is how you can make it to reduce noise, they dont need to be stiff tubes XD A bunch of arrows will keep the form well enough, not needing a stiff tube structure. Another advantage of a back quiver is being able to throw it down on your waist if you need to.
12:48 Nice Belt bro!
window shot...
digging the AC belt buckle XD
What would be recommended for arrows with broad heads? Would they get caught or stuck in a back or waist quiver?
I would love to see a complete review of an Angel quiver.
What if you were to wear the hip quiver in the BACK instead of the side? They wouldn’t stick out forward but would still be easily accessible, right? Or am I overlooking a key detail?
Can be done.
I live in NYC and I was wondering if there was a product or way I can carry my arrows and bow around in a more concealed way since I’m sure to draw a lot of attention on the way to the shooting line. I’m a newbie, thanks!
Damn you’re brave with that target placement buddy
I have rediscovered the value of a ground quiver. I normally practice in isolation, so I bring my hip quiver with tools, in case anything happens, but I don't have to wear anything.
Which model of quiver did you have on your back? It's a nice looking one. I'll be shopping for my first quiver soon.
Something I have is a pvc tube attached to a 2x6 board that's been cut square. Actually I've got several of these so I don't have to carry one around with me when I change where I'm shooting. The way it works is you simply place it one the ground and drop your arrows in it. The advantages to this are you can place it anywhere you like out of the way but within reach and it has all the advantages of the other style quivers other than looks. I've actually been told it looks like I'm pulling my arrows out of a sewer pipe and shooting them. The big drawback is you don't carry the arrows on you with it. So if you do decide to move around you have to either have a separate quiver or carry the arrows in your hand. Also it should be noted I've never been to an archery range with this setup but it does make a good at home quiver and a nice DIY project
You can have a sort of back/hip quiver hybrid(best of both worlds in my opinion), I've found that works the best for sharing some bush time with you're bow. :)
Lol props up the target in front of a window. That is confidence right there.
I personally find that field quivers look cooler than back quivers, but I may be biased because that's what I have, lol
You are an inspiration! Sorry to ask you, but what do you have in the buckets behind you? And now back to archering......😅
I know speed is not your intention..but to economize your arrow nocking, pluck the arrow from quiver by the knock in a pinch grip fashion.and slip the string between your thumb and knock and pull the arrow back seating the knock.
In fiction, and having very little knowledge of archery. I have a Halfling Ranger who uses a cross draw hip quiver... it?s on the same side as the bow and he draws and nocks the bow in one motion. I also contemplated a low back quiver where he woulf pull them from the side of his string hand hip. Would this interfere with proper shooting technique.
What are the vaned arrows your using? I bought some cheap Chinese vaned arrows as all archery equipment here in Canada is exceptionally expensive (3 basic vaned arrows costing $20 here in BC). They’re fine but I don’t know their weight but their flying to the sides so they may be too stiff for my draw weight. I use a Samick Sage at 25# draw weight but I’m moving up to 35# limbs in the near future.
I made my own quiver ut of a pant leg with the bottom tied off. the unintended benefit of this is that I kept the belt loops so I wear the 'quiver' off my belt. its not perfect but it works for me and it was free.
Thanks this was helpful 🥰
It seems to me that the field quiver is better suited for thumb release. In thumb release, you hold the arrow on the right side of the bow. So it seems natural to grab the arrow as you did and fix it on the string without as many movies.
Wait! Is he shooting directly at a window with a little target!? Yep! He sure is. The only way I’d do that is if I owned stock in the local glass company. Good job! Thanks for the cool vid.
Ive never met a back quiver that wasn’t totally useless in the field. Besides the uncontrollable rattles (you can hold the arrows in a hip quiver when you need silence), they all fall out when you duck under any scrub or branches. Good for looking cool at the range, (until you drop something and all your arrows hit you in the back of the head).
Excellent video, very helpful. So if you have a sneezing fit during target practice you have to replace the window? 😂
Is there a quiver that will hold arrows with broadheads, and which type of broadheads will fit in the quiver. I have an Easton flip side
There's a style where the arrows are held horizontally across the small of the back. Maybe for mounted archery? It's almost just a back quiver shoved further around your belt, but the arrows are held in different (horizontal, vs. 45-degree) position. Not really sure why they don't fall out...
Its a tighter quiver designed for horse archery. They can be a pain in the butt to load, but once they're in, they arent falling out.
Its good for horse archery because the archer can reach for arrows while leaning close to the horse for balance and control.
I dont like them once you get off the horse, and need to walk through a normal sized door though.
I saw some pictures of old shoulder quivers from somewhere - asia I think which were upside down, so with a hole in the middle and a small edge around the hole so the arrows won't fall out. In that way they are protected from rain and such and allow full movement without them dropping out. Tried to find that pic again but my google fu is failing