Archery | What Happens When You DON'T Unstring A Bow (For Months)

Поделиться
HTML-код
  • Опубликовано: 6 дек 2018
  • The results of an unintentional test.
    Bows featured:
    Topoint Unison
    Bosen Bows Horn
    Mandarin Duck Qing Traditional
    Samick Sage (from 3Rivers Archery)
    Greyhawke English Longbow
    3R Elven Ranger
    Southwest Scorpion (swarchery.link/NUSensei2)
    Mollagabet from Julian ( / lolmasaurus )
    ===
    Follow me on Facebook:
    / nusensei
    Twitter:
    / nu_sensei
  • СпортСпорт

Комментарии • 516

  • @NUSensei
    @NUSensei  5 лет назад +565

    Quick reference:
    Modern bows, fibreglass laminated limbs, compound bows = OK to leave strung.
    Traditional bows, wooden bows, self-bows, longbows, etc. = UNSTRING WHEN NOT IN USE

    • @x3roxide
      @x3roxide 5 лет назад +8

      If I were you, I would try to make a longbow jig and clamp it. Should be able to fix the bow... If you're feeling creative you could even add some reflex/deflex to it.

    • @leek2serious
      @leek2serious 5 лет назад +1

      You breezed over the laminated wood bows. So would it be ok to leave it for a month or two? Comparison to the bare wood bow.

    • @MegaSovietRussian
      @MegaSovietRussian 5 лет назад +6

      @@leek2serious 1:27

    • @sjankarcher
      @sjankarcher 5 лет назад +16

      No its not okay to leave modern bows strung. You cannot fool physics. The damage will be minor but still.

    • @Gundolf300
      @Gundolf300 5 лет назад +7

      Actually that's completely untrue. Older traditional bows that have been left strung for years have shown to take absolutely no negative effect by this.

  • @creeperFIN123
    @creeperFIN123 5 лет назад +525

    Just saw the title and ran to unstring my bow...

    • @godlessbastard4162
      @godlessbastard4162 5 лет назад +13

      same!

    • @Serious-zs6qy
      @Serious-zs6qy 5 лет назад +2

      Lol same here

    • @Serious-zs6qy
      @Serious-zs6qy 5 лет назад +1

      it doesn't matter or affect the bow I don't understand this one 🤔and it probably will affect the power of the bow or tension but no worries in my world lol

    • @davidbeaulieu4815
      @davidbeaulieu4815 5 лет назад +17

      @@Serious-zs6qy my girlfriend's bow is handmade all wood by her tribe technically she has several different Native American tribes in her but if I did that to her bow she would literally put an arrow through my eye probably at a hundred paces. Modern materials make it irrelevant but it's a good way to ruin a real bow. Same with real strings you don't let them get wet you use beeswax on them or whatever to keep the water out I think there's something to be said for tradition and frankly I don't want fiberglass anything

    • @somethingsomethingsomethingdar
      @somethingsomethingsomethingdar 5 лет назад +2

      literally did the same thing hahaha

  • @ebollinger72
    @ebollinger72 5 лет назад +302

    Loving the facial hair man!

  • @MakersMuse
    @MakersMuse 5 лет назад +116

    I don't own a bow, I don't know why RUclips suggested this, but I found the material science side of this unintentional test absolutely fascinating.If the bow 'sets' do you think you could apply force in the opposite direction for another few months to correct it?

    • @NUSensei
      @NUSensei  5 лет назад +48

      That's certainly a possibility, and not uncommon. This is typically done by clamping the stave down and placing it in a hot room.

    • @HidekiShinichi
      @HidekiShinichi 5 лет назад +4

      What about 3d printed bows? I mean there are carbon fiber materials soooo

    • @lawlerzwtf
      @lawlerzwtf 3 года назад +3

      HEY it's maker's muse! Cool to see one of my favorite 3D printing channels on one of my favorite archery channels, haha.

    • @rokka7188
      @rokka7188 2 года назад +2

      Wooden bow sets can be corrected whilst making a selfbow (Single wood bow while tillering, or even wooden laminate bows, etc.) yourself or if it's very small during use, through either heat bending it or steaming each side of the limb, it's how you also get curved tips/recurve styled single-wood bows to your own preference. But if it's a large set, it can be harder to correct since it can be permanent damage to the structure of the wood and it might return back onto that set position, if you do correct it.

    • @howdidthisgethere119
      @howdidthisgethere119 2 года назад +1

      As someone who has to deal with things that should be straight but have taken a bend as part of my normal job, the straightening process can be difficult because the object will always want to roll around180° to achieve it's minimum state of energy.
      steaming and resetting wood has been mentioned here and I know straightening can be done, I just wanted to add from my own experience with straightening.

  • @joporter9953
    @joporter9953 5 лет назад +271

    Hi Nu.. long time shooter.. recurve.. those wood bows aren't destroyed.. get a wood 2x4 lay the bow on it and put a thinner book or whatever between the grip and the 2x4 and then tie the ends with string or something like clamps and let that set back to straight over a period.. keep checking for straightness and retieing as needed.
    The book which should be about 1/2 inch thick.. about 13 mm.. is there so you can bring the wood back just past where it should be to let it set.. when you unclamp it to check after a month.. you may find you need a thicker book.
    That back room of yours may do to reset it.. but a little steam like in a shower might help to speed it up a bit.. but not too much.. just enough to warm and dampen the wood slightly.
    I'd like to see you do this and give updates for others who may have the same issue.
    Cheers Nu.. great channel.. and good luck with bringing back those sticks!

    • @elevown
      @elevown 5 лет назад +9

      I didn't know this would work but I was gonna leave a comment asking can't it be undone by sorta reversing it and setting it back to the right shape over months?
      Though I'd guess after setting and resetting, the wood may have lost a little of its spring still - (a bow is not designed to be forced to bend the other way, I'm not sure what it would do to the woods density in various areas) -and maybe once fixed it would still have a few pounds less on the draw or be more likely to fail in some way?

    • @SnowblindOtter
      @SnowblindOtter 5 лет назад +19

      With how strong the curvature is, he would have to re-set it slowly. Something like a home-brew tillering rack and a length of rope would be better, I think, because that way he could control how far they're flexing. General rule of thumb is to take twice as long to re-set the limbs as it took for them to set.

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse 5 лет назад +6

      I was wondering if this was a thing, makes sense!

    • @amishrobots
      @amishrobots 5 лет назад +1

      I would love to see a video of this

    • @dicktsui1818
      @dicktsui1818 5 лет назад +1

      @@MakersMuse Really shocked to see you here as I was originally trying to design a crossbow and drifted here.
      The heat bending of wood is just like bending PLA , it happens slowly but overtime it brings big effects , adding water and warmth is just like adding solvent.

  • @The_Fit_ness_monster
    @The_Fit_ness_monster 4 года назад +20

    I literally just walked in my room and unstrung my 4 recurves 😂😂 better safe than sorry.

  • @IraJavier
    @IraJavier 4 года назад +172

    But I want to be ready when AI robots terrorists attack my house. Imagine me struggling to string my bow in front of them? Embarrassing.

  • @VSO_Gun_Channel
    @VSO_Gun_Channel 5 лет назад +26

    Elastic vs plastic deformation. Simple concept. Excellent video.

  • @embe9146
    @embe9146 4 года назад +10

    I got my first bow by mail today, incredibly excited.
    I'm glad I stumbled across this video.

    • @devekut2
      @devekut2 2 года назад

      One year later, are you still happy with it?

  • @ThegnThrand
    @ThegnThrand 5 лет назад +18

    This is Thrand, very good video and great information I ruined a bow as boy because I did not realize this problem if you leave a bow strung for long periods.

  • @bubbleofa8444
    @bubbleofa8444 4 года назад +8

    You have violated article 69 of the Geneva Convention: Thou shall unstring longbows when not in use, no exceptions.

  • @oldgold5848
    @oldgold5848 5 лет назад +6

    Good vid Nu, and the Oliver Queen facial hair adds gravitas!!!!

  • @benblake4448
    @benblake4448 2 года назад +1

    I like that you show your mess ups.

  • @jmfa57
    @jmfa57 5 лет назад +2

    Great lessons, NUSensei. By the way, the facial hair looks good on you. You still look young, but now you look old enough! Thanks for another excellent and informative video!

  • @longriderxx
    @longriderxx 4 года назад

    Thanks for the advise and your honesty .

  • @WanneSomeSoup
    @WanneSomeSoup 5 лет назад +5

    Great video and a very impressive collection of bows! Now can we have a video in which you introduce everyone one of your bows?

  • @ocanain1731
    @ocanain1731 5 лет назад

    Hey man. Haven't seen your videos in a while and here you are with a brand new, fancy moustache. Very nice.

  • @malter87
    @malter87 5 лет назад +69

    what happens if you accidentally shoot your laundry in the back? XD

    • @vcash1112
      @vcash1112 5 лет назад

      malter87 Classic!lol

    • @propyro85
      @propyro85 5 лет назад +6

      Hanging cloth is actually a pretty good arrow stop. When I used to shoot in my basement, I used a cheap carpet hanging of a coat rack as an arrow stop, and it worked great.

    • @herpderp9774
      @herpderp9774 4 года назад +4

      You get a damage bonus for shooting it in the back.

    • @JERRYR708
      @JERRYR708 4 года назад +2

      @@propyro85 I fill a box with old clothes, spray sticky glue on the back of a target and slap it on the cardboard box. Makes a great arrow stop. Just make sure you remove snaps, zippers and buttons that might damage your arrows.

  • @TrollinCrazyRussian
    @TrollinCrazyRussian 5 лет назад

    Came across your channel and stayed solely for your humorous demonstrate of beginners.

  • @jakobe75
    @jakobe75 4 года назад +1

    Thank you for this lesson.

  • @sbvera13
    @sbvera13 5 лет назад +2

    You might be able to recover some of the set by steaming it. A laundry iron+damp rag will work with enough patience. Steam it front and back until the grain starts to swell, then move the rag to next 6 inches, repeat until the whole bow is done. Then store it flat until the wood returns to the ambient humidity (perhaps a month).
    If you get the chance to try it, I'd love to hear the results! I've used steam to repair a twisted flatbow with success (about 80% of the twist removed, enough to shoot it again), but I havn't had a chance to test this technique on an entire bow. Downside is you'll probably have to refinish the wood in the process.

  • @rledmiston462
    @rledmiston462 5 лет назад +5

    I have that fear of ruining or damaging my bows, I just went and checked them 2 are still stung, but only for a week. Thanks for the info.

  • @me_llc
    @me_llc 3 года назад

    Great answer and explanation

  • @CrowMeris
    @CrowMeris Год назад

    Thank you. This is information I am not (yet) passing down to my granddaughter. I want her to fully develop the habit of un-stringing after every use, regardless of the material of the bow.😊

  • @johnminnitt8101
    @johnminnitt8101 5 лет назад +65

    Hello Nu (if I may so call you). Well, based on about 30 years of shooting and making wooden longbows I must say that actually I'm quite surprised that the Greyhawke took so little set being strung for that long. What wood is it, I can't see on the clip?
    I've had a few that took that much just from a year or two of use.
    Let me echo your remarks about this, I have always unstrung wooden bows immediately I finished shooting (and while stopped for lunch on all day field shoots), especially in hot weather (less of a problem in the UK than where you are I suppose).
    As I understand it the set happens because the structure (cells) of the wood on the belly collapse under the compression strain - the same thing happens when a bow is drawn too far or made too stacked for the compression strength of the wood type.
    So I doubt that clamping it back straight will really cure it, the set would probably come back when it is bent again and shot. I did once try steaming a bow like that back straight and the effect didn't last.
    The one thing that might work is the real 'malming' (heat treating and resin-applying) that some are doing now to increase the strength of belly wood, there is a good account in vol 4 of Traditional Bowyer's Bible, and a demo here
    ruclips.net/video/C-4qRIajOM8/видео.html
    The beard's coming along nicely, I wish mine was still that colour.

    • @randomness8819
      @randomness8819 2 года назад +1

      You've got a beautiful beard and heart. Assalamu alaykum peace be unto you. Thx for a very informative comment.

    • @johnminnitt8101
      @johnminnitt8101 2 года назад +1

      @@randomness8819 Thank you for a very amiable comment.

  • @TheGuzmansforza
    @TheGuzmansforza 5 лет назад +1

    Thabks for this videos man. You are my personal instructor right now.

    • @stanleyyelnats1313
      @stanleyyelnats1313 5 лет назад

      I completely agree! Love his vids....very concise and informative:)

  • @nobull7185
    @nobull7185 5 лет назад +1

    Love your videos!! LOVE THE BEARD!!!

  • @kinglobster4172
    @kinglobster4172 5 лет назад +8

    The beard is legendary

  • @eleeyah4757
    @eleeyah4757 5 лет назад +9

    Japanese traditional bows (Yumi) made of bamboo are so vulnerable to being strung, that you don't even want to use only one. Since they will start to set during the short durations that you are using them, many Kyudoka will have at least 2 bows and alternate between every couple weeks or months. This only applies to fully natural Yumi of course.

  • @Beesa10
    @Beesa10 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for sharing, going to my bow right now and unstring it.

  • @josephnorcalusa1710
    @josephnorcalusa1710 3 года назад

    Helpfull information , thank you for sharing !

  • @stromtrooper7118
    @stromtrooper7118 5 лет назад

    Nice look, man!

  • @alexs5744
    @alexs5744 4 года назад +7

    I always unstring my Samick Sage when I'm not using it. I spent good money and since I'm a poor college student I don't have a lot of money. So I always respect my things.

  • @KeepinYouUp07
    @KeepinYouUp07 5 лет назад +10

    I just took the strings off my hoyt compound. Phewww I wouldn't want to ruin it. I just bought it!

    • @gdhyp3rsqu1d59
      @gdhyp3rsqu1d59 3 года назад +2

      You Don't need to unerring compound bows.

  • @Fatallica
    @Fatallica 5 лет назад

    Wow im glad this showed up in my reccomended, i thought i only needed to unstring my hickory longbow if i wasnt going to be using it near daily like i have been, havent unstrung it since i bought it back in march. Thank you so much for this video.

    • @Fatallica
      @Fatallica 5 лет назад

      @@kakarot1234567891234 wut

  • @twintwo1429
    @twintwo1429 5 лет назад

    Thanks for your advice, respect for all types of bows, is necessary.
    Lessons learned! Ha ha. Thanks.

  • @b4bluey
    @b4bluey 4 года назад +2

    INFO GOOD TO KNOW !! Damn It, I left my one still strung >> Thank You !!

  • @wayneashby5030
    @wayneashby5030 5 лет назад +1

    I have an Olympic style recurve with carbon/wood laminate limbs. Even though it might be okay for the limbs, I always unstring it when I'm done shooting to minimize the possibility of the string getting nicked and cut on a sharp edge. During handling, a string that gets nicked while under high tension can easily be damaged and may even cause it to dangerously "explode!"

  • @mykr0324
    @mykr0324 5 лет назад +1

    Great video. Was wondering whether this would be the case with modern bows not really being affected by keeping them strung. Personally I would always unstring anyways. Takes like 20 seconds, even with a bow stringer.

  • @PeterSolerom
    @PeterSolerom Год назад +1

    I have left my laminated bow strung for about 2 years now (its a cheap 120dlls bow from ebay) I only shoot it like once a week, so far it's working pretty fine, it's still working like when it was new.

  • @TheCludo
    @TheCludo 5 лет назад +6

    as a carpenter i would say unstring this bow and keep it straightened in the same area where you kept it, there may be a slight chance that the bow will get back it's natural form

  • @cameronstewart6636
    @cameronstewart6636 5 лет назад +1

    Very interesting. I have a lot of bows (in the vicinity of 2-3 dozen). After years of storing them in a mix of strung and unstrung states, I have come to the same conclusion: it matters what the bow is made of and how it's stored. The cheap fiberglass bows have it rough in the AZ summer with the months of heat they're exposed to.

  • @neurofiedyamato8763
    @neurofiedyamato8763 5 лет назад +2

    Can you reset the bow by adding weights on the curve to give it back the straightness? Also I'm pretty sure modern bows will suffer from this too. It's just how physics work, although it might be minor. OR the string might get stretched instead of the limbs bending. Which I assume would affect performance at least slightly.

  • @gabrielrivera7518
    @gabrielrivera7518 3 года назад +3

    we have a compound how that hasn't been shot in 8 years it shoots perfect

  • @timphillips7411
    @timphillips7411 5 лет назад +1

    I wonder what your thoughts regarding restringing the bow backwards? Could it possibly correct the problem? Just a thought. Like your videos!

  • @testname4464
    @testname4464 5 лет назад +2

    Someone better show John this video, he left Arthur's strung for years.

    • @funnyguy5746
      @funnyguy5746 5 лет назад +2

      Well, we all know that the Marston's box under a bed method is the best way to keep a bow

  • @fletchslade5718
    @fletchslade5718 5 лет назад +5

    Even though I shoot a modern limb bow (Samick DeerMaster), I always unstring my bow after shooting. Unstringing and stringing each session gives me the chance to check both the bow and the string for any wear or unusual changes. Also, transporting a strung bow is both awkward and the chances of the string taking damage from rubbing against surfaces in a vehicle are increased.
    I do wonder what happens to a string on a strung bow that is left to sit for a month or months in variable weather? Not something I personally want to try though.
    Thanks for the video! I do enjoy your exploration of things archery!

  • @PeaceLoveAndGuns
    @PeaceLoveAndGuns 5 лет назад

    Great video! A recommend the awesome book Shooting the Stick Bow. The author agrees with your perspective.

  • @robertlee8400
    @robertlee8400 4 года назад +1

    Have you ever thought of using some kind of steam lightly to bring back the straightness of your bow , I mean I don’t know if it could even be done or if it will work but I,ll bet it’s worth a try , it might bring the bow back into shape & if you let it sit & completely dry out afterwards it might shrink the wood back to its original form , try stringing it backwards when or if you do this maybe it could help also .

  • @dragonwisard
    @dragonwisard 4 года назад

    I'm recently getting back into archery and I love your videos. But I'm noticing a trend that in many of your videos your camera is focusing on the background leaving the foreground (you) slightly out of focus. It's usually not out of focus enough to be a problem with respect to what you're demonstrating, but it's just enough to occasionally get distracting. I'm not sure what kind of recording gear you use, but it might be worth experimenting with the autofocus options to see if if you can have it lock onto your face or track the moving part of the frame. Otherwise, THANK YOU for making so many very helpful videos for casual enthusiasts like myself.

  • @qontoh2s872
    @qontoh2s872 5 лет назад +5

    Get to 4:09, oh yeah, forgot to unstring the horse bow that I last used two months ago. Pause vid. Unstring, resume vid.

  • @lokeman8492
    @lokeman8492 4 года назад

    I forgot a couple bows strung up in my garage for a couple weeks and both of them developed a twist in the limbs. Every time I drew them back, the string would twist around the string notch and pop real loud. The limb end would actually be inside the string loop on one side. The bows would shoot straight, but I knew it was a matter of time before I got that one unlucky shot where the bow would eventually unstring itself mid draw. It was a Redwing recurve and a PSE Impala Recurve. The Impala wasn't that bad. It shot fine and the string didn't try to jump off. If it was unstrung, and laid on its side, you could how twisted it became. After each shot, the string was not centered on the limbs and did not sit in the resting groove.

  • @letssee8397
    @letssee8397 5 лет назад

    Hey NuSensei!
    I'm pretty curious about wood laminated carbon fiber/fiberglass bows with an extreme recurve - Korean, Turkish, etc. all with a pretty extreme reflex in that unstrung, they point away from the archer.
    Example: Kaya bows
    Can these also be left strung?

  • @MarkMphonoman
    @MarkMphonoman 5 лет назад

    I left my Bob Lee recurve bow strung for over a year and the bow was fine. However, the string stretched and when I strung the bow I didn’t pay attention to the brace height. When I shot the first several arrows I kept whacking my forearm and wrist. I assumed I was rusty and blamed myself for the poor shooting and arm slaps. However, then it dawned on me, the string stretched over time and it needed to be twisted a bit. It was a bit of a painful lesson. Mark

  • @cameronbamess697
    @cameronbamess697 5 лет назад +5

    Can you do a video on your bow collection?

  • @randomness8819
    @randomness8819 2 года назад

    Thank you. Im so new my bow is on order n i had no idea. Os sensei 😜

  • @paulbaker9277
    @paulbaker9277 4 года назад +1

    With the long bow and I maybe corrected , but I was once told to string a bow in reverse, it may bring back the shape .

  • @BooDamnHoo
    @BooDamnHoo 5 лет назад

    Beard looking good sensei.

  • @ClarkKent-ij3rm
    @ClarkKent-ij3rm 5 лет назад +7

    Regarding the first longbow you showed, could you string it backwards to fix the problem of the wood that retained the curve?

    • @SnowblindOtter
      @SnowblindOtter 5 лет назад +1

      No, outright stringing the bow backward will cause the bow to break. Bows that have taken a set need to be re-set slowly.

    • @johnminnitt8101
      @johnminnitt8101 5 лет назад

      No. It's risky to stretch wood that is designed to, and got used to, compressing by stretching it on the outside of the bend, especially when the wood is already a bit damaged by compression.

    • @ShiningDarknes
      @ShiningDarknes 5 лет назад

      @@johnminnitt8101 Even a bow with no set that is well-used should only ever be strung on one side because as has been stated, the compression is designed to go one way, if you force it the other it will develop micro-cracks and eventually break.

    • @johnminnitt8101
      @johnminnitt8101 5 лет назад

      @@ShiningDarknes Absolutely, as you say even if the compression wood hasn't taken set the design of the bow (and the wood types on back and belly if it's laminated) are designed for compression one side and tension the other. Bending the other way may well induce cracks bigger than micro, and the break sooner than eventually. It's just that this is even more true if the belly wood has already compressed as in this case.

  • @ChristianGeske-yn3mr
    @ChristianGeske-yn3mr 5 лет назад +210

    Keep the facial hair just sayin

    • @SoNyXDNB
      @SoNyXDNB 5 лет назад +14

      Looks like some kind of sensei now haha!

    • @kyubeycoobie3568
      @kyubeycoobie3568 5 лет назад +4

      Looks like an evil warlord to me. Especially being an Archer

  • @sybrenkoninckx
    @sybrenkoninckx 5 лет назад +7

    Very good tip. Just made a yew warbow.. Shoots perfect so I don't want to ruin it with leaving the string on.. so i instantly went to my bow to unstring it😃

    • @jplifts3008
      @jplifts3008 3 года назад

      Nice sounds like a cool bow

  • @FPChris
    @FPChris 2 года назад +1

    Can confirm I left two recurves stung since last Summer. Perfectly fine.

  • @michaelkessler129
    @michaelkessler129 5 лет назад +1

    Arigato, Sensei:
    After forty years as a serious archer a bad case of arthritis grounded me four years ago, forcing me to put my Merlin SuperNova compound bow in its case, where it's been for about four years now -- unstrung. So I'm wondering how that will affect a compound bow. I can't shoot it anymore and I have no intention of selling it or giving it away, so I have no real concern. I'm just curious.

  • @daveengstrom9250
    @daveengstrom9250 5 лет назад +7

    I have been a cabinet maker for many years. A wooden long bow (or types like that) can be straightened again using a steam box. Rather than making one for just one job, go and find a woodworker to steam it for you. Takes about 2 hours. Hope that helps you.

    • @blackdeath4eternity
      @blackdeath4eternity 5 лет назад

      i was about to comment on the possibility, but you beat me to it, there is a possibility that the bow might not be quite as good as new but it would still be allot better than how it is currently.

    • @blackdeath4eternity
      @blackdeath4eternity 5 лет назад

      @lahokc59 it would likely loose some of its original strength, But in comparison to its current shape i feel it would re-gain some.

    • @daveengstrom9250
      @daveengstrom9250 5 лет назад +1

      @lahokc59 Actually it is not. Wood is a natural polymer. Think of it as thousands of straws held together by a glue. The glue in this case is a lignin binder. Like fat on an animal it melts with heat. When wood is steamed, the binder turns to a liquid. That is when it is formed by various methods and held in place until it cools again. Science 101.

    • @Pidalin
      @Pidalin 5 лет назад

      Bad idea, it's not to easy to do this and common wood worker doesn't have knowledge for doing this without destroying that bow. You have to find real cabinetmaker which is really hard today and even cabinetmakers with shool for that don't know anything about steam bending, you have to find someone who has school with focus on this exactly. With cheap bow you can try it and maybe it will be ok, but with expensive bow it's really bad idea.

    • @daveengstrom9250
      @daveengstrom9250 5 лет назад

      @@Pidalin I am a cabinet maker. I had no intentions of hi-jacking this posting. I simply offered one solution for one problem. Steam bending has been going on as long as wooden barrels or ships have been made (thousands of years). NUSensei has a great site. Enjoy your day.

  • @joporter9953
    @joporter9953 5 лет назад

    Incidentally.. the same straightening technique can be used to take out limb twist and misalignment, however, the set up is a little bit more involved and it may take more time and care.. but wood is a malleable structure that will conform to any reasonable shape it's asked nicely/persuaded to be in and keep it's original strength.
    Examples of this strength retention are more obvious in things like wicker furniture and steam bent cedar boxes as well as canoes that indigenous people of the North West coast of North America made.

  • @VashGames
    @VashGames 5 лет назад +2

    Will slow heating and bending restore those 2 bows?

  • @mikeh6876
    @mikeh6876 4 года назад

    I seem to recall an article I read several years ago that wooden bows could be reshaped using steam - one end at a time.

  • @nixter8739
    @nixter8739 5 лет назад

    As a rule of thumb if the bow has reinforced tips for fast flite string. It has modern enough resin and glass as to not take a set. If the limb tips are not reinforced and/ or can only use dacron bow strings the limbs may take a set. Steel would be an exception, they probably wont have the reinforced tips and still could remain strung. My older bows i leave unstrung. My newer bows, varies i usually have at least one strung in case i need it now.

  • @YiamiYo
    @YiamiYo 5 лет назад

    Topoint Unison returns!

  • @rstevewarmorycom
    @rstevewarmorycom 5 лет назад +4

    Everybody knows wood will set, but you CAN restress a wood stick or self bow using counter stringing and/or steam. But fiberglas? I have left one strung for 9 months, and it had the SAME draw weight, AND the same arrow velocity as ever, measured electronically. I'm sure carbon is also immune.

    • @MrJdsenior
      @MrJdsenior 5 лет назад

      I haven't tried it with bows, and it likely is as you say, but I know a fiberglass boat hull left on a hooked trailer (a misadjusted high roller, say) WILL take a hook that is VERY hard to remove. Likely the bow, with more beef and much less local loading, especially just string bent and not long term FULL DRAW bent, so you are really stressing it near it's design limits reacts to a much lesser degree, but I'm surprised it is zero. On the other hand, the matrix in most boat hulls is NOT epoxy, like I suspect it is in a bow, and THAT might be the difference. Would be interesting to see if the bow would take a set at full draw over months, if someone has a beat up junk fiberglass bow they care nothing about. Actually, I still have one of those ancient green fiberglass recurves with the black plastic handle I could try it with I've had since I was a kid, and never shoot.
      Also, I think straightening a wood bow with any kind of cellulose de-strengthener, even steam, is a bad idea. I think just stringing it backwards over time might yield a better outcome. I know when I've steam bent wood for projects, it NEVER has the same strength afterward.

  • @simplyrise5217
    @simplyrise5217 4 года назад +1

    Moral of the story😱Don't own too many bows😫 Love your video bro👌

  • @Gilmaris
    @Gilmaris 5 лет назад

    So the draw weight of that Greyhawk now is probably about... 20 oz.?
    Could you string it from the opposite side, perhaps?

  • @giannihenk
    @giannihenk 5 лет назад +18

    I always unstring my bow, it takes 4 seconds

  • @typhoon37351
    @typhoon37351 5 лет назад

    Hey Sensei, had a question for you. What do you think about using a pin sight thats usually designed for a Compound bow? Id it doable?

  • @jessric5947
    @jessric5947 2 года назад

    Wood worker here. For the long bow, take a PVC that could fit the bow then soak it in boiling water for an hour, it will straighten up. Let it dry for 3 weeks in a well conditioned room then when it's dry, finish it with linseed oil or any finishing oil

  • @Legionario186
    @Legionario186 11 месяцев назад +1

    Excellent your explanations, subscribed.. your info is very important greetings from colombia 🇨🇴

  • @magicdaveable
    @magicdaveable 5 лет назад

    My bows are truly "primitive" made from bamboo/sinew, wood/sinew, and a traditional English Longbow (D shape) made from Lemon Wood. All three take down at the hand grip. I never leave them strung. I do have a Korean style Horse Bow made from carbon fiber backed Hickory. That too takes down at the hand grip. None of my bows have an arrow shelf. I have been shooting off my knuckle since early childhood. 60 years of slinging arrows with either hand has taught me intricate body control. My favorite bow is my Sinew backed Bamboo Horse Bow. After shooting it gets unstrung and taken apart then each half is slid into it's own wool flannel sock. All of my bows are works of the bowyers art and are treated that way.

  • @EthanLloydBarlow
    @EthanLloydBarlow 3 года назад

    Thank you.

  • @bubbinsky2390
    @bubbinsky2390 2 года назад

    Few years late but diggin the content. Can you string the self bow backwards and leave it set to make it straight again?

  • @nikitagusev9990
    @nikitagusev9990 3 года назад

    Thank you for video!!! Actually I have seen it few years ago and came back to it now, because I bought new limbs for my bow and got a question. HARD ROCK MAPLE WITH CARBON AND GLASS limbs should be unstring or not? I have some doubts about "HARD ROCK MAPLE', if it is wood, bow should be unstring, right?

  • @joshuamirabal3617
    @joshuamirabal3617 5 лет назад +23

    I never leave any of my bows strung anyway. I don't wanna take the chance

    • @Chief2Moon
      @Chief2Moon 4 года назад

      Legolas E I'm the same with mine

  • @Mr.M1STER
    @Mr.M1STER 2 года назад

    Forget months, my recurve bow has been strung and not used for years. I would guess about 4 years but it could be longer. It recently got it back out again and it looks and seems okay apart from being a tad dusty. The brace height has reduced but tbh I can't remember if this was ever set correctly to begin with. I might unstring the bow and see if I can get some twists into the string to fix the brace height.

  • @johnminnitt8101
    @johnminnitt8101 5 лет назад

    Hello again, a couple of further thoughts on this. As I said I'm sceptical about how well steaming would work. I've only tried it once for undoing set (effect didn't last long), but many times to change the shape of undamaged wood (eg to straighten a new stave), which works well (usually). It will correct the shape, but I doubt it would repair the compression damage to the belly.
    Having said that, a bit of set is not a bad thing, can make a bow sweeter to shoot, anything under about 2" is no great problem, and a self-hickory bow would probably have developed some through use anyway. It also depends on what you'd do with it - for York Rounds up to 100yds the loss of speed might matter, but at shorter ranges? I did many field shoots (up to about 60yds) with an old boughstave yew longbow that, due to the set from years of use, was known as 'the banana'. I got some medals using it so it wasn't a great problem.

    • @ShiningDarknes
      @ShiningDarknes 5 лет назад

      steaming works, but only if you remove the finish so the steam can get in.

  • @steveruis1055
    @steveruis1055 5 лет назад +4

    This was common knowledge back in the longbow days. Bows will "follow the string" if left strung for long. People used to unstring their bows while eating lunch at a competition. The only solution is not bending the bow back because that can destroy the bow (the bow is designed with layers that resist compression (the belly) and layers that resist tension (the back). Bending it the other way applies the wrong force to the wrong area. The only real solution is to shorten the bows. People would cut small amounts off of each end, and carve new limb tip nocks. Some experimentation is needed as one cannot be sure how much draw force you will gain doing this.

  • @nightranch6218
    @nightranch6218 5 лет назад

    If it has a wood layer laminated with carbon or fiberglass, it’s actually better to unstring it but the difference is minor. For limbs that are pure carbon like uukha or carbon foam(which is the case of many many high end competition and hunting limbs, it actually makes zero impact even if you sting them forever.) The other factor is that the sting will creep(extended in length) under constant tension, so the limbs is not the only problem.

  • @jimg691
    @jimg691 5 лет назад +2

    Great video, as others have said. It can be reversed with some time and a little effort.

  • @StapleCactus
    @StapleCactus 2 года назад

    I have the Southwest Scorpion. When I asked about unstringing the bow, the store I got it from said not to bother. They even said I can hang it by the string, it's how they have all their bows on display. It doesn't help that the way they were talking, it's too difficult to unstring a bow even with a bow stringer. Even if I did manage to unstring the bow, I have no idea what the twists they put in the string do. I have no training at all. I tried once doing the old push/pull method but I'm afraid of breaking the bow so I stopped before I could unstring it. From what you're saying, this bow will also get damaged from staying strung. That worries me. Mine's been hanging on the wall for 6 months now. Wind took down my target and I haven't bothered fixing it.

  • @MrToekneeG
    @MrToekneeG 5 лет назад +1

    Can you bend them backwards on a jig and leave them to set straight again? Just wondering,

  • @randylewis3080
    @randylewis3080 5 лет назад

    Can you weight them backwards and steam treat them back to original set, then dry. Wood is shaped in this way.
    Just a thought.

  • @JustNobodyButME
    @JustNobodyButME 5 лет назад +9

    I keep my compound bow strung all the time.

    • @drsnooker1776
      @drsnooker1776 4 года назад +4

      Same but I wonder how the hell do you unstrung one of those

    • @kaizen5023
      @kaizen5023 4 года назад +2

      LOL

    • @CitizenKate
      @CitizenKate 4 года назад +1

      @@drsnooker1776 You take it to the archery shop. It takes a bow press to unstring a compound bow, and that's something most of us can't afford.

  • @tangobayus
    @tangobayus 3 года назад +10

    I've had a Samick Sage for maybe 5 years. I've left it strung. Seems fine. If there was a problem I'd just buy new limbs. I think I've heard that you can distort limbs by stringing/unstringing improperly. I think the Sage is a great bow for the money. I shoot well with it.

    • @MrCedricPeterson
      @MrCedricPeterson Год назад +1

      still leave it strung? I got a sammick sage and the guy told me i had to unstring it after use. Not to leave it strung longer than about 3 weeks. But my uncle leaves his recurve strung. But i’m interested sense i have the same bow as you

  • @abrotherinchrist
    @abrotherinchrist 5 лет назад +4

    How did you unstring your bow by just leaning on it? I'd like to see a video of that.

    • @assaultspoon4925
      @assaultspoon4925 5 лет назад +2

      Put one end on the ground, and the middle of the bow against the back of your knee.
      hold the top of the bow, and gently pull it forwards until you can easily remove the string.
      Theres about a million other ways to do it, but I learned the "behind the leg" and its never failed me

  • @johnbrandolini2915
    @johnbrandolini2915 5 лет назад

    I have a question unrelated to keeping a bow strung. I noticed during the video you didn't use a bow stringer to string or unstring a bow. Do you use the step thru method of stringing? I used to do that but stopped when I saw videos saying it deformed the bow. I don't know what rationale supports that premise. I have found that using a stringer makes stringing a bow more difficult. I actually had a stringer fail and ended up in the emergency room with a deep laceration to my cheek bone. Appreciate the feedback.

  • @jrs4516
    @jrs4516 4 года назад

    i have a very old all wood long bow that belonged to my grandfather. it's been stored unstrung for as long as i can remember but it has significant curve with no string. if you ran an unloaded strong from end to end the brace height would be 3 inches. strung it's 9 inches which seems high. length is 65 inches. it takes a LOT of force to string it despite the pre-curve. should i try to flatten it out by storing it in reverse tension? do you think the string is too short? thanks.

  • @joeasher2876
    @joeasher2876 28 дней назад

    @Nusensei I wish I hadn't listened to you on this one. I have a modern fibreglass laminated bow which I left strung based on the advice in this video... And I just had to buy a new set of limbs for it because the bottom limb twisted and now the string does not line up with the string line on the limbs. It's a 35lb samick sage, so not the most expensive bow and the limbs were not the most expensive to replace, but I have definitely had to replace them.

    • @joeasher2876
      @joeasher2876 28 дней назад

      Took 4 months of being stored strung...

  • @aryefisch2250
    @aryefisch2250 5 лет назад +5

    Fix the bows by laying them flat under some boards for a season or two and they can 'reset'

  • @partycrasher1366
    @partycrasher1366 5 лет назад

    Sry for asking but, should you unstring a requrve bow like the Explorer 2.0 from huntingbows.com ?

  • @sevenrats
    @sevenrats 3 года назад

    Is it ok to leave a take down recurve assembled and unstrung and leave the slack string on the limbs? Will the string dry out? Or should the string be taken off and put in a sealed container? I would assume that the assembled bow should be laid flat on it's side?

  • @11more40
    @11more40 3 года назад +2

    i am new to archery, and everything I learn I learn just from youtube, and i didn’t knew about this, it’s been like a month since i got my first bow and i never unstringed because i didn’t knew that this was necessary, and now the string it’s a bit weird, lost a little of the power, there is anyway that I can fix this? (sorry for my bad english)

    • @MadGunny
      @MadGunny 3 года назад +1

      I don't quite understand your question about the string, but your bow is probably just fine, just unstring it in the future. You can always look online for a new string if you feel there is an issue with the string

  • @littlebritain64
    @littlebritain64 4 года назад

    Hi, how to notice if your long-time strung bow is damaged? As a noob i left a 3 parts bow, wooden and metal, as the one you showed in the very end, strung for years. Then I suspected it could be dangerous for it and now i have left it dismantled for years. Thanks.