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The Cringe Average 40k Faction with "Feelings" and "Ideals" vs The Based Tyranids who only live for The Grind
I feel Orks also deserve to be in this category in that they really don't want anything to change, they just want to keep doing what they're doing which is what made the Octarius war so good. (An argument could be made for Tzeentch too as they don't want the game to end but honestly who knows what that thing is thinking?)
Fun fact: The Tyranids were already present in the galaxy before Dantioch’s sacrifice, but the Emperor in classic Big E fashion didn’t warn anyone about them.
Honestly i can understand hidding chaos and all thst...
BUT WHY HIDE THE MASSIVE, UNIVERSE ENDING HORDE OF BUGS THAT EAT EVERYTHING?!
@@diegojimenez5937 The only thought I can come up with is: the Emperor is said to have clairvoyance, so he likely saw that in most possible futures where he warned people of the Tyranids ahead of time, it caused more death and destruction via panic than if he just allowed his people and their training to have a pyrrhic victory and prove that the Tyranids aren't invincible. That's the only way I can make sense of it.
The Hive Mind is a phenomenon not a physical thing, so no big brain in space. It's the link that connects all the tyranids, and the combines weight of their mind is what creates the Shadow in the Warp because the Warp reflects consciousness and so it reflects the Tyranids. As for how the hell it works, I have no clue.
I guess their Hive mind creates its own presence in the warp and blots out anything trying to use the warp from where they are in the material world using said weight, which is why it switches off psykers and banishes daemons lol
I think the general way it's explained is that it's the streamer in the room next to you who is taking all the bandwidth but scaled up to unimaginable degrees so anybody else trying to use psychic things gets a combination of dial up noise and snippets of tyrranid stream chat which is naturally enough to drive most of them insane and starve the daemons of sustenance. The Hivemind is an actual entity outside the galaxy though given people like the Ultramarines and Blood Angels head librarians have prank called it, we had a brief snippet of it's PoV in The Devastation of Baal where it's explained it's annoyed with the sons of Sanguinius killstealing from it and it got suckerpunched by the expansion of the Great Rift and had to reboot for a bit. (We have no idea what it looks like or if it has any physical form though and I think that's for the best though.)
Yeah, the most modern equivalent is having a streamer next door taking all the bandwidth.
Basically you try to connect, but the warp is saturated with Tyranid thoughts and processes and you either get booted out or it overflows into your head and now you have Tyranid thoughts in your head.
The shadow in the warp is like a DOS attack.
Aspect warriors are the elites of the Aeldari warriors
They are also led by the avatar of one of their dead gods except for the warp spiders their weird
@@thomaswetzel6796 Do you mean the Phoenix Lords or Khaine?
@@LynxLord1991 the Phoenix lords are based on their dead gods and they are immortal so it could be argued that they are avatars of dead gods
@@thomaswetzel6796 Not quite most of them are aspects of their war god just different versions of war only asurman is of another god
@@LynxLord1991 oh whoops
Tyranids are September beasts.
Very invincible until someone says, "September!"
Then they all die.
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@@joshuadickinson4614 Probably something related to new Space Marine releases.
Aspect Warriors are the standing army of the Craftworld Eldar (whereas their standard foot soldiers, the guardians, are more of a militia). PancreasNoWork also has a video on them.
If there alignment isn’t evil, it’s straight up just hungry like it’s straight if you were to look at their alignment chart, it should literally just say hungry and that’s it
Technically chaotic evil does things for their own benefit for their own selfish reasons
So chaotic evil suits the Tyranids perfectly
A two-step 0.75 caliber rocket fashioned by master artisans for the utmost performance and lethality is strength 4.
A weird creature shaped like a gun and shoots hungty bugs at you is strength 5.
Checkmate, humanity.
When the space marines have overly elaborate trials to select their recruits with excessive mortality rates and your infiltration units create their own soldiers from random civilians with implied much higher rates of success (and if it fails you just chuck both parties in the biomass pool and start over).
To clarify, the nids are mindless space bugs of death, but the Hivemind is not.
It may be the closest thing to a Rogue God in 40k. Now that I think if it, with the Genestealer cults, it may be a minor God at this point like how the concept of the Tau’va or “Greater Good” is now a minor god in the warp.
There was a moment at battle of Baal where a trap was set but the nids just stayed in place rather than charge the team of Blood Angels in front of them. This was odd because Tyranids *do NOT Do this.* When a Blood Angel looked into the eyes of a random gaunt in an effort to coax it to attack to fall into the trap. And what he saw wasn’t a mindless bug, but quote “something far greater and much more ancient” end quote. And it, what “It” was, absolutely horrified him. Spoilers, what he saw was the Tyranid Hivemind itself. And there was a way ultramarine Librarian that psychically looked into the Hivemind itself and nearly went insane from what he saw and endured.
Old One Eye and tyranid rippers: *growling in hunger and murderous intent*
Vulkan: *Jamaican accent* “I would like to pet this creature.”
Also He, Red Terror, the one Tyranid licktor that went predator and spared a guy to break his mind; the Deathleaper I believe, the Norm Queen, Doom of Malanti that killed an entire Eldar craftworld, Parasite of Mortex, the Malanthrope, and the lost Swarmlord that got cut off from the Hivemind and seeks to return to it, among other such Tyranids should return as special characters for tabletop.
No longer do we have characters?
Old one-eye had its own thing going too, with somewhat limited synapse and such.
Red terror should return, the prototype for current units.
Doom of Malantai has copyright issues I think?
Death leaper is back though. That is the one leaper that showed paranoia and broke the mind of a leader.
The Ygnarl genestealers should return. Those are the ones that became so genetically unstable that the hive does not want them back for fear they will make the entire fleet genetically unstable.
FINALLY!
The greatest, most efficient, united, practical faction in all of Wathammer!
Aspect warriors are Eldar who have devoted their entire life to a certain trade or function, in the case of aspect ‘Warriors’ it’s different combat abilities and such. Pancreas has an awesome video on them lol
The thing about "The Tyranids are running from something." is just another fan theory to make Warhammer more terrifying than it already is. At least it's not as bad as the Sanguinius killed Horus which is just plain stupid.
I didn't even know about the Sanguinius theory. If that happened we should know right?
@@TheLegitWeebs There are a lot of theories like that. The Sanguinius one is just sad for the sake of being sad. And it poses a lot of problems lore wise and powerscaling wise.
@@TheLegitWeebsTheory is Sanguinius was fell to The Red Thirst which was a defect in his legion (totally not Khron fucking with them) which caused them to go mad and at least half the novels of his are him being paranoid about his legion getting killed for it. (Which is a stupid worry)
Falling to the Red Thirst in his rage he kills Horus, and the Emperor killed Sanguinius lying about the entire thing to protect his memory.
It makes sense the Emperor knew whoever was made Warmaster would fall to Chaos to rebel so he wouldn't have chosen his favorite. (and threw away his emotions so he blatantly couldn't love his son enough to hesitate in killing Horus).
An now the Black Rage overtakes his sons causing them to go to that moment in the Throne Room causing them to experience Sanguinius did. They then never talk about what happened and go immediately to a battle where they will die.
There is 1 elf faction/race pancreas hates the thalmor from skyrim, you should watch pancreas video on pelinal whitestake.
And also "The Great War of Tamriel - Why Mer Deserve The Worst"
@@NamedNameless1 the Empire absolutely had that one coming though
The two Factions the Tyranids avoid as much as possible are the Necrons and the Chaos. Both are a big negativ in Biomass for the Tyranids, the Necrons are masters of Anti-Biological Warfare, so at the end there is no Biomass to absorb. The Chaos is not that destructiv so in Theory there is more Biomass to absorb but it is too twisted and corrupted by the Chaos so even if the Tyranids win a fight against the forces of Chaos the price is high, that is one of the reasons why Worlds that were attackted by Leviathan are sometimes not completely barren, so Kronos the answere of the Tyranids to the Chaos that most of the times can't regain Biomass on a large enought Scale from the Planets can fight on.
On the other Hand Orcs are one of the best Faction for the Tyranids and the Orcs love the Tyranids, they even start to cheer the moment they see the droppods of a starting Tyranid Invastion because they can fight until they die. The Tyranids on the other hand get a ton of Biomass to absorb because of the high Repruduction speed and the evolution the Orcs undergo under this harsh conditions to get bigger and bulkier.
No, the Tyranids as they're presented as mindless killing machines would very much be classified as a Neutral faction because while it is incredibly inconvenient for the galaxy, the Tyranids aren't eating you for pleasure or malice; you are food, and your existential dread, mortality and suffering is entirely inconsequential.
Now there's an argument to be made that the Hive Mind or any independent Tyranids that develop sadistic personalities would qualify as evil because they have a perception of right and wrong and willingly choose to ignore it for selfish or malicious reasons. However, the Tyranids, including the Hive Mind itself, are presented as simply animals reacting to stimuli and trying to propogate and survive.
To give a D&D comparison the Tarrasque is not evil. It wakes up, goes on a rampage and eats anything and everything it can, then it goes back to sleep until something either wakes it up or it wakes up because it's hungry again.
The Tarrasque, in some scenarios, is a nigh-immortal killing machine that poses a threat to all life in a given D&D setting. Worse still, in many settings there are usually multiple Tarrasques either on one world or throughout the universe, with one particular setting having an entire world populated by thousands of them.
You'd think that the Tarrasque is some kind of demon or destructive and omnicidal alien, but in reality it's just a wild animal. It eats things because it feels hungry, and it destroys whatever gets in its way because it's a giant creature looking to eat whatever is behind the thing it just smashed. It's not intelligent, and it's not particularly vicious, as it will actually run away if it senses a genuine threat to its life rather than fight, but it's extremely hard to kill or even wound a Tarrasque and the Tarrasque generally sees everything around it as nothing but food.
Moreover, Tarrasques have a special ability; they destroy whatever they eat. Once something enters a Tarrasque's stomach, it is broken down and ceases to exist. This begs the question: Does the Tarrasque derive sustenance from what it eats or is its hunger purely psychological? Moreover, being devoured by a Tarrasaque is considered one of the few reliable ways to actually kill a god in D&D, as even the most powerful gods are destroyed upon entering a Tarrasque's stomach.
Because of that little factoid, there's speculation that, in some settings at least, that the Tarrasques were created specifically to kill gods and other powerful entities as a sort of biological weapon or natural predator for those entities.
And despite all that, despite the danger of having a Tarrasque obliterate your mind, body, and soul or devouring one of your gods, the Tarrasque is still considered just a wild animal, with no alignment whatsoever.
nids player here, about the neurogaunts and their "range amplification":
you actually play them in game, but usually for protecting a neurotyrant (big psychic bug that buffs your army rule) or just being cheap objective holding units.
if you play a swarm list, you can also use them as a brick of 22 bodies to clog the field with, since they practically cost nothing.
but, sometimes their range amplification actually comes up, especially when playing the detachment based around Psychic bugs (which i do). there you usually only run 1-2 min-sized squads of 11 models, but put the behind a wall and they act as a relay that has a chance to stay alive thanks to cover and the detachment rule
One of the things i heard about tyranids, is that they were created by the old ones as some type of tool to clean all life in the gallacsy to kill the chaos gods and then repopulate it again
The only Tyranid book that could exist would probably follow in the perspective of a Swarm Lord during an invasion
Trade offer from Tyranids You get: eaten / we get: nom nom nom :3
Worth
There is a genestealer cult / mechanicus book called "Day of Ascension". A quite good look at both factions and all the weird things about them.
About time for another 40k lore reaction! You should check out the recent Tyranid miniatures from the Leviathan boxset when they launched 40k 10th edition.
Edit: If you want to check out more lore on the Horus Heresy, I recommend a RUclipsr called “Arbitor Ian.” He’s done a great many vids talking about each of the original Space Marine legions, other factions that was involved in the heresy and a timeline of events vid too.
He’s even done a guide on how to build/ theme your army series on top of that iirc.
I think I've been recommended one his videos before. Something about the lost space marine legions. Will give it a look
@@TheLegitWeebs the thing is, his SM legion vids aren’t 1 hour long vids too like other content creators ( not saying that’s a bad thing, I love long lore vids KeK.) They are just really good at giving you a good idea of what the legion is about in a relatively small amount of time.
I do think they are setting up something major for the nids ,Since they have that massive ball in space now
I think its a egg and we will finally get a Primarch level Tyranid organism .
D&D nerd moment where I'm going to risk talking about alignment. Technically sharks are considered unaligned because they have no concept of alignment. I would put baseline tyrannids in this category. However, we know that advanced tyrannids like The Deathleaper, The Swarmlord and, of course, the Hivemind have a higher level of intelligence enough to be aware of concepts like pride and despair.(Not because they experience these things although the Hivemind can hold a grudge but because they know how to use these things to better defeat their enemies like challenging Marneus Calgar to an "honour duel" and beating the brakes off him away from his reinforcements.) These advanced tyrannids would probably fall somewhere in the space of neutral evil (like yugoloths who will do whatever they need to to get ahead but won't just throw themselves at the nearest enemy for the sake of it and use complex strategy) or chaotic evil (like D&D demons which can't be bargained with and exist only to transform all of reality into the state they desire most). Just my thoughts on the matter. Also the Adrian Tchaikovsky book on Genestealers "Ascension Day" is really good for anybody who enjoys reading 40k and hasn't tried it yet.
I see! I'm still learning about D&D myself so this was actually really informative.
@@TheLegitWeebs Fair enough. It works fine for cosmically absolute beings like creations of primordial good or evil (angels or devils for instance although you can look up Asmodeus and Zariel to see even here there are exceptions) or characters which lean hard into a certain direction like Captain America but it's a tough metric to apply to anything nuanced and has hence caused no small amount of bickering in the community.
(For example Batman is somebody with a strict moral code he follows altruistically although he works outside the laws of society so the general opinion would be that he is lawful good. Boromir from the Lord of the Rings was a captain of the guard where he upheld their beliefs and defended their land from orcs without a specific code before he was tempted by the corruption of the ring to betray his ally to try take power for himself. Just from that description you could put him anywhere from neutral good to lawful evil because he's a complex character who acts in conflicting ways at times.)
So in a eldar book a eldar gets to see the Hivemind and the way I interpreted it was the Hivemind has evolved past the warp and the bio forms are the remnants of it. In the book the hive mind is “bigger then a god” and if it wanted to it could drive away she who thirsts forever
I read a funny comment that the Imperium would have to kill every Tyranid bioform with a single round to stand even a remote chance at surviving them. Which would of course leave them exposed to every single other faction in play.
Makes sense. Ultimately a lose-lose situation for the humans xD
It’d be cool if you reacted to Half Life Lore, it’s also Dark, Sci-Fi, and Eldritch Horror, plus i think it’s underrated or at least under appreciated, channels like the Templin Insitiute would be a good start, before delving deep into the lore like Channels like Skyrrion, might as well throw Portal Lore as well since they exist in the same Universe, but somehow Valve managed to make both series unique and have a different tone from one another, one is serious while the other one is more comical.
Cho Gath looks like the old tyranid models
That he does. Never realized the potential connection, but it has been a while since I last played League.
>I think most units get 12?
Me, sobbing, looking at my Terminator squads
"Tyranids are bad" is a bad argument, because "good and bad" are arbitrary, relative terms we invented. Its about perspective. Surprising amount of people fail to understand this. It it "bad" for you, but it is "good" for them. And not only that, imperium is "good" compared to chaos. tau is "good" compared to imperium. Norway is "good" compared to tau.
It is ironic if you think about it, Nids are supposed to be alien, but we are still trying to fit them in our understanding of ethics. And this has further implications which reach beyond just fiction.
The Tyranids are Plot device helping to move the narrative. In the hands of a good writer they're amazing they make the story go forward but the problem that the writers seem to undermine their true power. Take the Swormlord for example this thing is the size or bigger than a Dreadnought with four bone swords that slice through space marine armor like paper and psyker powers that dunk on any psyker to my knowledge in addition tactical intelligence that surpasses any field commander. But despite all this traits the Swormlord got the avatar of Khaine treatment. I have no problem with the Nids losing but they should portray them in full picture
Note: never read any books but I watched podcasts and channels on their lore and also check out Genestealers lore it's the thing that changed my view on the Nids
There's genestealer cult books. Day of Ascension is good. I'd recommend it.
I remember a fan theory where it claims the Old Ones created the Tyranids. They concluded that they were going to lose the war and made the Tyranids as a last ditch measure to save the genetic information of the galaxy from being eradicated by the C'tan and the Necrons. Kind of like a very messed up Noah's Ark. Is that theory still valid, or has it been discredited?
Bro the Tyranids are literally jean stealers because they took them not too long ago, now I have to go buy new ones from the store
The Nids.... Let's fuckin GOOOOOO......
i hope you watched starship troopers since :D
If you're talking straight Evil, or Good, in DnD or really any rpg, then that would be Neutral Evil. In broad strokes, you do Evil, or Good, things just because you can or want to.
My beloveds ❤
Personally, the Tyranids are the reason I don’t particularly like 40k anymore. GW have basically written themselves into a corner with them.
Thinking about it, I can't disagree with you there, but I also feel like GW will just retcon stuff if it means that they can continue to sell 40k merch. I'm pretty neutral on it for the most part, but I try my best to enjoy the good parts about the game.
Leutin09 has a video covering the Tyranid first contact
If you ever wanted to hear how Space Marines are made, their organs and all that. Or how Grey Knights are made.. Or a brilliant story involving the Dark Elves mentally messing with a poor human soldier. Hes got all manner of good stuff
Been a while since I reacted to Luetin09. Might have to revisit his lore videos.