Turkey | Kumburgaz UFO | Debunking the Debunkers
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- In this video I challenge many of the common arguments put forward that resolve this case as Debunked. *TIMESTAMPS BELOW*
After our UAP Files Podcast interview with Yalcin Yalman was released last week, there was renewed interest in the decades old case and many misconceptions, inaccuracies and outright errors were put forward as resolutions and I wanted to cover these in an exhaustive video (or as exhaustive as possible).
Mick West put forward this video as a good explanation of why the case was debunked, so I’ve used this video, arguably the gold standard of debunkers videos, as this is the one Mick suggested, to pick apart.
You can find the original Podcast Interview that ignited all of this here: • UAP Files Podcast S2E1...
The Debunker video from The Sneezing Monkey here: • Kumburgaz Turkey UFO D...
The link for Professor phD. Zeki EKER (Director of the Turkish National Observatory of Science and Technology of TUBITAK) here: turkeyufocase.b...
TIMESTAMPS
00:40 - Metabunk & Mick West
01:20 - The Sneezing Monkey
02:20 - Yalcin Yalman & ‘Red Flags’
03:34 - Dr. Roger Leir Witness & Other Witnesses
08:09 - The Camcorder Used
09:25 - The Exact Same Object a Year Apart Error
11:00 The CCTV / Fish Eye Lens Curvature Error & The Marina Walls Theory
14:00 - The Peppers Ghost Theory
15:14 - Professor phD. Zeki EKER Analysis
16:36 - The Camera Lens Closeup Theory
18:20 - The Cruise Ship Theory
23:36 - AM & PM. Time Errors on the Footage
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Hello. I'm from Turkey, actually we had a summer house near the Kumburgaz province when I was a kid. We always see these kind of lights rising from the marmara sea and proceeding over the city and disappear. The official explanation is methane gas rising from the fault lines deep within the marmara sea. Maybe some of them are, but I can not be sure all of them. We either think it is some kind of gas or NATO aircraft and disregard.
Do You think they (ufo) were intrested in that gas or that fault ? They seem to be seen around volcanoes, nuclear power stations and now faults, i do believe it to be real, it too corny to be fake.
I believe you this is a real sighting
The guy bought a camera and went out at 3 am on advice from a voice in his head! Aka an angel! C'mon I'm not going for that sorry
@@stephenhurd1489 it was well know that for days they were seeing some lights out there so this guy went out and filmed it
Stop disregarding! 👍🏽
The arguments of the debunkers are very poor, you have the entire stabilized version in my channel. Thank you for this video.
@@Jenined 🛸🛸
Jenined the goat wsp 😤🙏
Good to see my favourite ufo footage guy here! ❤Love your work
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He seemed very motivated to close down ANY possible ufo evidence.
Dbunkers be like we need data and proof but try to debunk everything with no data or proof themselves 😂😂😂😂
Be like?? Where did u go to school, Alabama?
@@A.I-GAMING I’m not smart but even an idiot like me knows basic English. U can’t possibly use the phrase “be like” and think that sounds correct in ur head.
@@A.I-GAMING It makes him look smarter than you, crying about it.
Like many, many scientists in this new, FAST paradigm. Gilgamesh was a real man. The 'big bang' is a failed hypothesis, thanks to JWST. Aliens are real and we have reverse engineered some of their tech. According to Congress after multiple public hearings. The failed debunkers are just as terrified of change as any American Maga moron. The resistance to accepting new evidence is ego driven. New information floods the zone as much as social media trolling does. They've just discovered (repeatably) that human brains/minds have a measurable quantum wave function. With a microphone at specific wavelengths, you can listen to trees singing. We have learned some of the complex, musical language of whales. It is coming at such a pace that it's almost impossible to believe we are not being helped.
Sneezing monkey had points and theories, very humble guy, but u, and this channel on the contrary are really condescendant and coping real hard.
Also, Sneezing Monkey didn't look at the daylight morning footage from the same guy, with multiple lights in the distance
The guy smokes cigarettes. CREDIBILITY DENIED.
the smoking gun indeed :D
If he was a trustworthy man, he wouldn't have published these videos because they would lose my job, my family, and put me in a mental institution.
The debunker is German. I don’t want to perpetuate any stereotypes but those guys can express some really strange opinions about things they think should be ‘verboten’.
I think it would be hard to find a 50 year old Turkish man who doesn't smoke cigarettes
@@glamdrag dünya tarihin en ciddi UFO 🛸 uzaylı delili, Türklerden çıktı diye zoruna gidiyor herhalde 😁
Debunkers are the most boring close minded people on the planet.
actually without the dubunkers everyone would be believing every little bit of BS out there. Its the scrutiny of debunkers that leads us towards the real evidence. Stop believing everything you see, and question harder. That's how you will find the truth
Debunkers have critical thinking ability... looking around You Tube it seems quite rare.
It's a generalization to say all dogs chase squirrels. A generalization is taking one or a few facts and making a broader, more universal statement.
many of them, like Mick West, are just plain fundamentalists
Skepticism is one thing; debunking is the same coin as true 'believers'. Heads &tails. Different 'beliefs'; same mindset.... dogma!
well at least there will now be a debunking the debunking of debunkers debunking .
@@MyKharli I look forward to the debunking the debunkers who debunked the debunking video. That’ll be one to watch!
@@UAPFilesPodcastwe might just have to start calling this an ongoing disagreement.
Could the debunkers be grifting I wonder 🤔
@@SiriusBlue-bl8sx 👀
It’s already been debunked
@@gtaveteran what has, the debunk or the debunkers debunk of the debunk?
Ships have the Bridge lights turned down at night so they can see out, no way would they have the bridge lit up like your front living room at night. Absolute rubbish to suggest it's a ship of any kind.
Why is this guy (Mick West’s debunker) trying so hard to debunk the video? (Because he’s a debunker lol) He sounds more ridiculous than some of the believers 🤦🏽♂️Why don’t we stop proving one side or the other and just ask “what’s happening?” I think we can all agree something is happening…
@@TheAubreyLynch good question. I’d really like to know what the hell it is and start understanding it.
@@UAPFilesPodcastAmen! ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽
@@TheAubreyLynch great attitude 👏
Paid gate keepers?
Exactly what they are doing. Telling you literally what it is not.
Of course the video is real and the debunkers are not right.
They have absolutely no proof of what they are claiming debunks it 😂😂😂
@@austinbratton9973I don’t think you know how science works mate.
@@woolgum actually zi do. And so does Gary Nolan who was nominated for a Nobel Prize who is studying this topic. There is some science for you
@@austinbratton9973 so why don’t you know better?
@@austinbratton9973 Essentially "the debunkers" need not proove anything. Ever heard of: Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence?
This Debunker is a goose, I'm not even going bother to watch his observation. It has been proven by many experts to be authentic.
@m0rianne man to be fair we would have 0 idea what an alien race would be doing lol
@m0rianne Yes it had, and no your stupid cope is incorrect, and yes they could have come three years in a row, they have free will haven't they. You're so fixated with it being a hoax your making yourself look like a 🤡, so go try debunk something else.
Exactly the deniers side uses constant assumptions and fallacies its so laughable @@Joel-pn3de
Lots of experts = one turkish phd guy in this person's mind.
Yah these fools are truly dense. Beyond useless and Frankly, what they’re doing is disinformation and their own sort of campaign. Some of the biggest clowns on earth imho.
Same type of craft was filmed over Columbus, North Carolina on April 3, 2018
MUFON CASE - 91190
@@groovyt8695 awesome! I’ll check that out. Thank you! 🙏
thats wild , i can see the similarity!
The crazy stuff debunkers come up with amazes me.
Do you want to buy a real UFO from me? I can make a video from it, if you are interested. What form or color do you prefer? Do you want some greys with it? I do not have reptilians or nordics stocked at the moment. They do not crash so often. The greys crash all the time, they are lousy pilots once they enter our atmosphere.
Bravo! Masterclass of how to respond to these guys. They disinform and act in bad faith👍👍
Thanks for this - I always found that footage interesting
No discussion as to the "occupants" in the footage? Why don't the debunkers tackle that? And why isn't it mentioned in this video as solid evidence against the debunkers?
04:30 is where the occupants are mentioned
My daughter and 2 of her friends saw this very same ufo over the most popular street in our town at night in November 2017. It flew past them, reversed, came closer to them and stayed there for a bout a minute. (It is about 25 metres long). .....then the craft disappeared through a portal of green light. ....my daughter struggled to describe the shape of this craft as she said it was shaped like a silver pringle crisp. Took me 6yrs to stumble on the Kumburgaz ufo incident but when i showed it to my daughter she said instantly 'Yes thats the one!'
Wow, amazing!
@@UAPFilesPodcast This was back when I just assumed UFO's were covert American and Soviet tech. ...But I do not believe for a minute that mankind holds the technology to open and close wormholes. I have heard of UFO's jumping through green portals of light before but not often. ....The school in Australia sighting and the one father Gill and his flock witnessed did.
Would love to hear more about that.
He debunkd himself by saying people who smoke(d) cigarettes at some point should not be trusted with a camera 🙄
That’s the most bizarre thing I have ever heard. What does the guy being a smoker have to do with anything?
The complete lack of evidence and research by the debunkers is remarkable. So much speculation.
Chris Lehto from "Lehto Files" did the Best Video Research, on the Kumburgaz/Turkey Video.
@@smark1180 Ok, stop. It was incredibly easy to google "chris lehto Kumburgaz" and get immediate top-of-page-one hits.
Stop wasting people's time, and go deal with the answer I gave when you asked ME to "specify".
Great to see these ClA hacks "debunkers" in their place good job!!!
CIA 😂
You sweet summer child.
This debunker is really reaching
Debunkers seem to be more closed minded than 'believers' who I think, mostly, think in all likelihood it's more possible than not possible, but that doesn't mean they are at the 100% side of the scale, maybe 60-70% sure. Debunkers always seem to be at the 100% certainty that's it's all false. Every single time, or so it seems from the many many interviews I've seen
That is simply not true. There are some very prominent cases that are not debunked. What do you think motivates debunkers? I give you the answer: To know the truth.
Nice unbiased video.. we just can't know for sure..
Some debunkers are as unscientific as some ufologists.. and as biased or more..
@@RacoonBoyBR agreed. We could all do with taking a balanced look at these cases.
RacoonBoyBR.... Believing based on the clear unbiased available data that UAP are real and not manmade and represents a non human intelligence and technology doesn't make someone a " biased Ufologists" who is just as ridiculous than biased skeptics... It is very rational to make certain conclusions based on that available data
@@Gavin-hg2kk That is the point.. ufology needs a solid ground to be able to bring the discussion to the general public... it needs undebunkable evidence and unbiased analysis..
I am a believer in ufo, i believe everything that David Grusch has bring to the table..
It seems as though the debunking movement can be quite disingenuous.
There was no sea wall or marina there at that time
Mick West... excuse me whilst I laugh uproariously. As you point out, the footage remains, as yet, unexplained that's all.
Mick West ? Kim East !
Hahaha. The legendary @@Jenined. Thanks for all your work man. Your UFO compilations are the best around.
breaking news: if you smoke cigarettes you shouldn't own cameras hahahaha. Also the same object a year apart? He'd hate me, my car was made in 2006 and i've driven it every year..
@@TomVernonUAP didn’t make a lot of sense to me. The term clutching at straws came to mind 😅
Yeah, Monkey is a weirdo
The only thing i can think is he's saying the camera film , being flammable, is a risk to smoke near ?
These debunkers have there own cult like following. They talk about ufo followers wanting to believe it's even worse in their case.They say things that they can't prove at all and are totally biased and then claim it debunked. The funny thing is most of them know just enough to be misleading and throw doubt on things that are actually correct. They get a bit of a following as a debunkers and then right away feel they have to debunk at all costs. They end up not paying attention to the actual video. They use a lot of things like almost and in my opinion etc. then right away say perfect match and been proven debunked. It's so sad that these people who know just enough to be misleading throw doubt on evidence that should be taken seriously and studied by actual experts instead of self proclaimed experts. The good thing is that a lot more experts are going against the debunkers and calling for more study but the word "debunked"gets quoted and put in print and they move on. Only because there is still worth felt by mainstream science that they are afraid might stick to them because someone has already claimed debunked and they are afraid to be cast as believers or unwilling to accept so they just move on. It's so infuriating.
If you smoke cigarettes not only shouldn't you have a camera but you are dangerous. Such a pathetic way of attacking someone's character passive aggressively. The truth is all debunkers are just lazy and in denial.
This debunker resorts to a degree of mental gymnastics only exhibited by religious apologists.
Exactly ironic from coming from atheists
Not really.
He explores different possible explanations.
Unlike narrow minded UAP nutters that see something they can't explain in an instant so they scream "Aliens"
So if it’s a cruise ship, it would be really easy to locate the “cruise ship” with the “alien puppets”hanging out and chatting in the hatch.
More likely to be the bridge of a cargo ship than a cruise ship, but then looking at the footage it is to high in the sky to be a ship.
🛵 To, two, too
This is a fishing boat that uses light ramps to attract shrimp and squid to the surface, where they can be caught.
Great work showing the obsurdity of trying to debunk probaly the best ufo video out there. I think some people are ideologically disturbed by the idea that unexplained uaps exist and they dont gave a grounded explanation, so they enter denial and implausible explanations for the phenomenon.
Bingo and then they make a grift out of it
That's exactly it.
They claim the existence of UFOs is absurd yet their "explanations" are often even more implausible and absurd.
@@ManDogBearPigThere are way more people promoting UFOs and aliens and there are people trying to debunk. What do you even talking about? Maybe there is something out there but it would be nice for the UFO fan community to see a video and try to eliminate possibilities and have somewhat of a skeptical approach. That would be nice and maybe then the subject would be taking more seriously. It is such a gigantic jump to say an object or a video is an alien craft from another world.
@@NickyMetropolis1313 not a massive jump if the person who took the footage says he’s had contact and after 17 years no one’s been able to thoroughly debunk it. Exploring the possibility is also important. Assuming it must be…agreed. But at least explore the possibility that it is NHI.
@@UAPFilesPodcast Somebody saying they have contact or have made contact whatever that's nothing That's not proof at all. For as ridiculous as some of the debunkers might seem out of the witnesses frankly they aren't stars either. There's been a ton of holes in the Lazar story for years but it keeps getting pedal does the absolute fact basically by the UFO fan community. The Betty and Barney Hill story has massive holes in it. A lot of these tales do.
My big sticking point with the turkey video is simply as I said When was the last time you looked at an aircraft an airplane for example and you've been able to see two of the occupants for example the pilot and the co-pilot. I don't think I've ever seen that.
On the other hand I think there are some interesting bits of footage out there. The recent video filmed by a supermodel or whatever from inside of the plane looking out the window where a classic metallic disc flies by at a high rate of speed I think that's an amazing video. What it is I have no idea.
Great analysis man. I'd definitely watch a lot more of these types of videos.
@@jeremyweems4916 Appreciate that!
It amazes me that you have only 2600 subs? Your work deserves better Great video here! ☮️👽@UAPFilesPodcast
@@chiphappened very kind of you to say!
Excellent re-bunk of this case, you nailed it!
Bro, these deniers are shook with all these obviously silly tries at debunking. Makes me feel good knowing they are the conspiracy theorists now!
Haha exactly there is a conspiracy of thousands of credible drs, lawyers etc making experiences up too.. its the govt who's telling the truth!
Hello,
I live in Turkey. I researched Yalçın Yalman, who recorded this video. He lives in a village in a city called Çanakkale and has dedicated his life to capturing UFO footage and researching aliens. He has documentaries and videos other than the ones you have seen. In summary, I don't doubt the authenticity of the video.
And the sad part is that his financial situation is very bad. The last time I followed him, he was still recording with his old camera
the ship's bridge is not illuminated at night and remains dark, otherwise nothing would be visible to the crew
😂😂😂😂
@@robinmcara793 What are you laughing at? This is a brilliant point.
You nailed it, congrats!
@AngelicStreak OK it's a ship lol 😆
@@AngelicStreak No it´s stupid.
The only footage recorded not by a toast machine. Kudos to the my fellow citizen Turkish guy who invested time and money to a little spot on his horizon and revealed the extraordinary details of the UAP with a high dedication over years time. This kind of curiosity and dedication to solving a phenomenon is seen very very rare in Türkiye.
Kumburgaz footage is the real deal. Nothing to debunk there.
Yup ! 100%
If you say so. Scully disagrees.
Sorry I had a cam recorder in 1988 and AM and PM were not set manually as you claim , so can you clarify this point..
Also can you explain, anyi civilisation that managed to get a space ship to travel to earth, which would require technology tend of thousands of years more advanced then ours, why have they come here, why are they not communication with us, please explain.
And if he analyzed the footage frame by frame he would see alien figures moving! One thing id like to ask the person who filmed this what happened? Did he stay to see if it left?
Good job. The debunk guy is doubting science and eye witnesses
Do you know turkish people?
Quite simply, sceptics complain about why the picture is always blurry, and if it's clearly they complain about why it's clearly. 😂 It does not seem to matter to debunkers whether it is real or fake.
Because after all those years we looked at the possibilities, there never was anything really proven to be of extraterrestrial origin. Except for the wow-signal. But stay a believer if that is good enought for you, i strieve to know.
Does Mick actually get any traffic on his site? Last time I saw him was on H3H3. He absolutely humiliated himself there.
Sneezing Monkey hand pics easy hoaxes to debunk to make money from being a skeptic. Theres nothing wrong with being a bit skeptical as long as you arent closed minded to the point you wont except things you cant explain.
Skepticism is the opposite of closed minded. We should never accept things we can't explain. We suspend judgement until good evidence is provided for them. That is being skeptical. There is no good evidence for this footage being alien and lots of points going against it. Whilst that doesn't mean it's been "debunked", that in no way should mean we accept it as real. I can't debunk every email I get from a Nigerian Prince.
Yep real stuff has been posted and he ignores it or quickly misidentifys it and doesn't make a video on it
Nobody should accept things they can't explain. It's not "I can't explain it thus is could be aliens". That's not skepticism. That's believing something extraordinary has the same chance as something ordinary without having the evidence to back it up.
@@ManDogBearPig bingo. He's just making money from being completely closed minded, skeptical.
I think I’m going to unsubscribe from that guy….
What navigational records exist of craft in that area on those dates? If there were none then that would prove it wasn't a ship?
Check out @lehtofiles he did a great job covering that.
Sneezing Monkeys debunking is so ridiculous that he’s incorrect in so many explanations . He’s forcefully trying to use an explanations that doesn’t fit what we are seeing in the footage. Thank you for a great video
He does a good job. Sometimes he makes mistakes. Still better than to be a fool who believes everything. Such people will soon have very hard times now that AI is getting really good.
if you think this debunker's attemp to debunk the turkey ufo is rediculous, then you should watch his completely miserable attempt to debunk the phoenix lights...
Mick West needs to go pound salt. This video is authentic and there is nothing West or any other debunker can say to change this fact.
Mick West became interested in paranormal and strange phenomena because as a kid, he was scared shi*less. He is pushed by fear, not by curiosity or desire to know the truth. He is still that scared kid trying to convince himself there is nothing out there.
Good presentation/laying out all the facts and circumstances. 👍
Glad you liked it. Thanks
EXCELLENT ANALYSIS!
@@pcaron3521 appreciate that!
wow! ive never seen this debunking material before, its really fun!!!
Don’t worry mick west will invent something to fit he’s narrative !
@@Timesend seagulls
@@TomVernonUAP 😆
It's a flying cruise ship bridge area, but the ship has no other lights on it apparently. and the aliens, well that's the captain and his first mate.
@@ashleyeldorado7750
Captain Zlort and First Officer Glznok from Zeta Reticuli of course.
@@keirfarnum6811 the reticulin love boat, exciting and new come aboard, were expecting you.... I guess that would explain all the probing
VERY, ...VERY IMPRESSIVE VIDEO PUTTING THE ORANGES IN MICK WEST'S MOUTH. THANK YOU AND BRILLIANT !!!
@@wgalloPT 🙏
I believe it's a real ufo....
@m0rianne what could it be then?
well done! seriously though, just observe Nick West next time you see him being interviewed, he does this bizarre blinking thing which is very unsettling to me.
maybe HE'S an alien!
@@jsabino1772 wouldn’t that be a turn of events! Thanks for the kind comments.
How do you debunk the two aliens seen in the middle? There is another video where you can see two beings
@@smark1180 This shit aired on Fox years ago. Look up the Fox taping of this object and it will show two beings in the middle
The operators of the craft tell him when and where to look, which makes the same spot in two years more important. If you have shot video at night, in such a low illumination, and to hold the zoom sweep so nicely- you appreciate what an outstanding catch this is! Do you know the pixel scale of the Canon G1 setup Yalcin used? Was the subtended angular size ever given? Thank you Yalcin, UFO Files Podcast, and Chris Lehto for the follow up.
@@michaelnuss7443 I’ll ask the question and try and get back to you
That’s exactly what I said I’ve been on a bunch of cruise ships late lights never go off someone is always up working.
@@JoshuaWhitman absolutely
And where is the reflection on the water?
This analysis was very interesting and definitely more credible than sneezing monkey wild theories.Thank you.
Thank you. Appreciate that!
The debunkers are using some weak sauce, I am embarrassed for them.
Mick West is the most ridiculous "debunker" I've ever come across. The whole thing avout US Navy capturing a triangular craft is NOT the shape of the lens. You can clearly see the stars on the background yet West is certain it's the shape of the lens. These guys come up with the most ludicrous explanation. They are supposed to "logical" but their logic is narrow and selective.
Mick west is a joke. He attributes everything to ballon’s, birds, and natural phenomena . Since when do you see birds flying at 600 mph plus. Guy to me is a paid disinformation agent like the iso old men that tried to claim they were the crop circle makers only to vibe forward years later they were paid by the CIA .
@@smark1180 sure Mick West Jr lol . That comment tells us all you have know idea what your talking about.
@@smark1180 nope, nope and noppity nope.
@@smark1180 already did. Do I need to repeat times infinite? Try comprehension, maybe? Squint harder and it just might make sense.
I'm a UFO/UAP enthusiast. Been balls deep in it for 3 decades, but I'm willing to admit that Mick West's analyses of the official pentagon videos seem pretty solid. I smell a bit of bs psy-op on those ones and distrust individuals and news sources that hold them up as strong evidence, because they clearly aren't and have big question marks over them. Mick has his flaws as all "sceptics" do, but I think he is doing the movement a service by helping us identify when we're being lied to or misled by a government narrative.
Counter red flag on debunkers - the complexity of their explanations. It's not a hard place to get to, go there with the same or similar spec camera & recreate the footage using the techniques described (or even somewhere else).
as someone who has done graphics for best part of 20 years its pretty funny to watch so called experts who can just about turn on ca computer let alone use the software i was trained on.
Good look faking a vhs tape.. lol unless the object is fake its self .. ( think star wars ) and that cost MILLLIONS to created and you can still see how bad it is.
Point is "faking" is as not as easy as one thinks.. ( or cheap )
:)
@@doubledigital_ 💯 and to fool optical physicists as National lavatory’s, too! No mean feat.
@@UAPFilesPodcast You can't say "the camera being expensive is good evidence it's legit" then agree with someone saying faking footage costs money. That's a contradiction. If they have funds for an expensive camera why don't they have more funds to pump into creating some fake footage all of a sudden?
@@DavidSmith-oy4of Might be worth just re-reading my last comments. Having an expensive camera isnt a sign it’s legit. And I haven’t made such a claim. My response was to the commenter that asked why others hadn’t caught this on camera even using a cheaper camera. My point relates to the camera being expensive and requiring special lenses that aren’t standard and cannot be attached to cheap camcorders back in the early 2000s. So this may explain why lots of other people weren’t capturing the same object. It doesn’t mean it’s automatically legit, it’s just dispelling this supposed red flag.
@@UAPFilesPodcast My mistake. What I'm implying is that the commenter here is saying faking is expensive, but in this video you're saying a guy spending a lot on a high tech camera(for the time) doesn't raise any flags. To me both those points can't be reasonable. What are the chances some guy drops a load on a new camera and starts capturing aliens on film lol. Massive red flag. It's akin to someone buying a high tech mic and capturing ghosts talking.
Firstly great show as for West like Shermer their JOB is to debunk they are not open to debate or idea exchange their careers hinge on debunk so while thats fine take their views within that lens when they issue arguments
This is probably the most intriguing UFO footage of all time. What makes it different than so many other UFO videos is that it’s clearly visible. Not a blurry pixel or blurry light. All UFO vids afterwards should try to match the quality of this vid. The cruise ship theory always made the most the most sense to me, given how reflections and mirages work over the water. But like you mentioned, even then, that’s not really obvious. It just makes sense to me, that if it’s not a UFO, it could be that
@@slimischillin7753 and just think, if the government have satellite assets covering every once of the world what their footage must look like.
i highly recommend chris lehtos analysis of this footage. he clearly proves its not a cruise ship. i can barely watch these debunkers explanations they are so out there and stupid sometimes like going to the extremes i just have to face palm and think god damn he cant seriously believe what he is saying.
@@alphazero6571 yeah Letho’s good channel. Been following him for about a year and a half now. His channel and breakdown of the vid is where I first got introduced to this video
There was a website covering this case and showed, that there were no ships around the area at the time of the recordings.
These devices do not have any super-physical properties (check out the book Bruce Maccabee "Ufo and the FBI" for an example). Watch the video "UFO over Tahiti", read the messages of police officer Lenny Zamora from New Mexico and geologist Stefan Michalyak from Canada... These devices are simply more maneuverable, because they are light - they are not made of metal, but of composite materials. Super-physical properties are the interpretations of witnesses or even direct misinformation from special services hiding the military use of this technology. Read Christopher Buckley book "Little Green Man".
Great video thanks!
Thanks Chris!
@@UAPFilesPodcast Yoink
Aww yes, the flying cruise ship hypothesis.
When they reach for every single theory and other crap they can find, they lose their credibility.
The Fisheye debunk is so weak. Like come on. The camera is shaking from the far distance it's zoomed in. You would see the craft go from covex to concave as it moves through the center of the lense towards the edges.
This guy is demonstrating the Dunning Kruger effect.
Nobody is an expert in everything, thats why hospitals have different
Rooms for each expertise, like, the pediatrician doesn't also do open heart surgery.
but he definitely doesn't understand optics and light on this one.
Hes no Optical Scientist. Ill trust the experts tests, and i know a little more than him on this subject
Also, if it was Fisheye, the top would go flat at the bottom of the screen. So what shape is the object ?
It's a disk shape no matter what!
You would be arguing if the top or bottom is the flat side.
A rectangle doesn't loose its side walls into a pinched saucer.
@@ekojar3047 💯
I've seen people do amazing tricks with cameras, magic, props etc... I've never seen an alien space ship. I'm going to guess it's a camera trick before it's aliens visiting that one man in Turkey lol. Y'all jump to aliens cause you want aliens and that's it.
@@josray2557 that is a somewhat foolish comment. Just because you personally haven't seen something rare it doesn't exist? Did you not watch the video. There were multiple people seeing this. Look at these comments as one of the commenters claims these "lights" were commonly known to exist in the area.
@@PlanetJimmer clout chasing.... Nobody saw it or they would have recorded it. It's just a staged hoax. It's not me personally either no one has seen aliens.You just have to think about this. I've been in the field for decades and seen all the things... It's all fake or US tech that is 100% flying around.
If this video is so important to either validate or debunk has anyone stabilized the whole thing? The absolute best thing that you could do for a video like that is stabilize it
Like all of the debunks of this, lazy and grasping at straws. If this was a cruise ship as a lot have said surely there would be records of all the ships that were at that location at the time yet no one has provided this evidence for that stupid theory. Also the cctv nonsense is frivolous, i dont see how he can even claim that. This guy is more annoying than Mick West, he ignores evidence such as the optical expert, and eye witness of Leer- but i get why.. he has to otherwise his story falls apart.
The Pentagon said there are no aliens. The Pentagon has stated that all UFO&UAP sightings - are sightings of classified military equipment. After studying all the materials about UFOs, it becomes quite obvious that since the late 40s of the twentieth century, a secret project has been developing in the United States for the development and production of aircraft, where the lifting force is created using high-frequency vibration. It all started with James Pitts' "Sky Car" vibrating orthopter umbrella, then the umbrella was closed with a dome and devices appeared according to the scheme of conventional electromagnetic vibrating speakers (membrane + inductance) - fragments of the membrane were found by a farmer in Roswell. Then they created piezoelectric thrusters, or with small dischargers on the surface (they glowed all over the body due to ionization of the air), and now they are planes with plasma propulsion panels (so they are angular - that is, with flat surfaces) . Thousands of discharge cells are densely packed into motor panels - they shoot streams of plasma (railgun architecture - coaxial electrodes). The ionized air of the spark discharge is accelerated in the railgun chamber by the Lorentz force to enormous speeds - a kind of ramjet engine is obtained. Just imagine! - tens of thousands of small ramjet engines assembled in panels and launching plasma synchronously at a huge frequency (hundreds of kilohertz). Plasma jets form toroidal air vortices - this air cushion creates lift and acceleration. See, for example, the MARAUDER (Magnetically Accelerated Ring to Achieve Ultra-high Directed Energy and Radiation) project. My article "UFOs are made in the USA" and the books "UFO Hunt" and "UFO Elimination" describe all this in detail. The technology is quite mundane - it is known in great detail thanks to information leaks. For example, air ionization in the coaxial elements of a railgun is created using radiation (radioactive polonium is introduced into the metal). Devices of this type were used throughout the 50s-60s-70s-80s for secret missions (they took off, as a rule, from special submarines). With the fall of the USSR, their use by the United States was practically curtailed (in the novel "Little Green Men" by Christopher Buckley, speechwriter Bush Sr., a scene is described where the US president decides to curtail the "flying saucer" project). The winding down of the project can be recorded by the drop in magnesium consumption in the United States, since such fuel was used in fuel cells (magnesium strips were burned in forced galvanic batteries), this is 2007-2008. However, later the development of the technology continued in the Russian Federation and China (the technology was restored by reverse engineering methods for downed devices). Secrecy, however, was maintained and there was no civilian use because the technology was not suitable for it - harmful microwave radiation from pulsed plasma thrusters (harm to pilots and impact on electrical appliances inside and along the flight line). The payload is small (but one nuclear charge is enough). There is no radio communication - unmanned vehicles can fly and maneuver only in accordance with the program. Previously, there was a narrow application profile - rare spy missions (so that pilots do not get a lot of radiation). Reconnaissance aircraft of this type were often observed at military bases, missile launch sites and airfields. They were even seen by peaceful geologists in the taiga, where clearings for seismic exploration were laid - UFOs flew there to check whether military construction was underway (I myself heard stories about this))). I think that soon this technology will be declassified, and cargo airships with flickering round plasma panels on the surface of the hull will appear in the Arctic sky.
Great captured of all times 👌🏻
Sneezing Monkey my gawd, he's worse than Mick West & West gets paid! BRILLIANT made my day.
Monkey is just very logical and smart. I like how he isn't buying the false narrative. I mean clearly there aren't aliens otherwise we'd see em and we don't... I've been here 42 years and nothing. None of us will ever see an alien in our lifetime so what does it matter? I really don't get it.
The sneezing monkey is clearly following an agenda, as does Mick West. I wouldn't be surprised if they both got payments. They both "know" from the outset that everything they "investigate", it cannot be aliens, so even the best evidence is presented as false. And no, I don't believe everything, but I am open to good evidence, whereas they are not.
The Sneezing Donkey is just another debunker not making much sense. I've seen some of his other videos and I'm not the least impressed. Same lame debunks we've seen from Mick West and the Metabunk crew.
great video sir,
honestly…these debunkers & their theories are just laughable! talk about grasping at straws 😂 how are they explaining the occupants seen on board? fancy dress night on the cruise ship was it? what a joke these people are, you also have to ask…why do they spend so much time trying to debunk everything if they don’t believe in this phenomena? like…how many hours a week are they putting in on these crazy debunking videos & why? sounds to me like “The lady(mick west) doth protest too much, methinks.
again great work sir, or should i say…the David Beckham of the ufo world 👍🏻
Thank you, very kind. And the David Beckham…I’ll take that ☺️
Absolutely outfknstanding job man. Well done.
Personally i think they witnessed the craft time traveling. So being in the same place 1 year apart (earth time) isn't that crazy. Also, we don't know shit about any of this - so applying our "logic" to a craft/species from God knows where, is pointless.
quite weird - lots of debunkers often believe the obvious fakes are real. this video is one of the most believable I've ever seen.
I'm an experiencer myself and don't need conformation of the phenomenon, what I witnessed was no way in hell of human origin no chance in hell, can't stress that enough. It was a large orange glowing sphere about 300 metres across moving in ways beyond comprehension and known physics, then 2 bright lights dropped out just like chaff-flares but zero smoke then they just shot off over the horizon as quick as they appeared. The object was totally silent totally changed the way I look at life. We are definitely not alone as they say. I know for a fact humanity is in for a massive reality check guaranteed 😮🇭🇲✌️
Wow that sounds awesome!! When and where was this??
@TomVernonUAP it happen in 05 off the Caloundra headland Queensland Australia where I first saw it, then instantly was off Maroochydore which is around 20-30 km called my partner at this time, she came out saw it straight away then it zigzagged twice in the same manner then headed in our direction at a moderate pace, my partner said it knows we're watching it she ran back to the house I had the same feeling, it pasted over her neighbours house and the size of it took up the rest of the street which was about 200+metres I couldn't see anything familiar or identifiable no edges or anything it was totally silent as it was moving over the house 2 extremely bright lights like chaff-flares but zero smoke dropped out, at this point I thought OK it must be skydivers going to land in the parkland across the main road as I was still looking for a plausible explanation then they shot off over the horizon east over the ocean. My girlfriend said WTF was that thing I was speechless and extremely mesmerised. The next day asked a few other people if saw something weird that night but didn't find any others who saw it as yet. The funny thing is had a camera in the house but witnessing something like that your to mesmerised to have that thought, just fixated on what I was seeing, it was beyond my comprehension the only thing I could resemble it to is something out of a sci-fi movie was a total sceptic untill that night. I've only started talking about it when the US Navy video's where released and now have been continually researching the phenomenon. Look into the Hopi tribe's creation stories and Proficiencies extremely compelling especially the story of the Blue and Red star Kachina gives me goosebumps every time I hear it plus the creation stories of first nations peoples around the world all tell basically the same story which can't be a coincidence all these stories match the ancient text and scriptures of the Anunarki the Greek Gods and Indian texts. We need to keep an extremely open mind now. Though I'd give you the full turn of events. I'm now living in the Australian bush zero light pollution and seeing very unexplainable objects resembling very bright lights often strobing they zip around the sky at extremely high speeds right angle turns etc see these quite regularly but haven't had a daytime sighting as yet. I spend a lot of time looking to the sky now ever chance I get. Peace 🇭🇲✌️
@user-rh7xr7qh9q Yes, I was a sceptic untill that sighting that night. That happened in 05, off the coast of Queensland Australia, Caloundra to be precise. 2 years ago moved to the Australian bush zero light pollution, and seeing extremely mesmerising objects out here, moving in extraordinary ways and extremely bright white, they out shine the stars. I'm under a flight ✈️ path and out pace aircraft and satellite,s 🛰 . I'm seeing them quite offen, actually outside now watching out for them as most of the time there in groups of mostly 5. Of all my research into the topic, what literally gives me goosebumps is the Hopi tribe's story of the Blue and Red star Kachina very compelling considering the influx of UAP'S/UFO'S being witnessed worldwide. We need to have an open mind imo. As I've stated I was a sceptic. But what I've witnessed totally changed the way I look at life, there is certainly a phenomenon, what that is we will learn in time I hope in my lifetime.🇭🇲✌️
I lost interest in the "sneezing monkey" commentary based on his remarks about the Turkish guy's smoking habit. As if that has anything whatsoever to do with anything? I no longer care to hear what he has to say after that bit of nonsense.
I’ll mention it here for anyone in the comments but you really might want to check out toms video (Tom vernon UAP) with jack sarfatti… its very eye opening,,, you have to Bear in mind mind he’s a legitimate genius so he knows what he’s. Talking about….coincidentally I just watched the Danny jones podcast 247 with Eric wargo…. It’s remarkable the overlap of information. Great work jimmy and Tom you are doing so much work it’s unbelievable! 👏
nah I’m good not wasting anymore time on this bullshit sarfatti is a total nutcase
@@Smoovindecat thank you!
@@Smoovindecat thank you! 😊
Monkey is a real Klass act...
😂👏👏
Well done mate 👍🏼
Klass was an absolutely revolting disingenuous lying creep.
Klassic😂
Phil was a hardcore fighter got to give him that
I learned of this footage from art Bell. And dr leer. Thanks grandad for putting me on
The fact that he had such expensive camera equipment suggests he wasn't a casual photographer, he would likely have experimented with the images he could produce. The 'UFO' looks like it could be part of a lens flange, the lenses he shows have wear around the edges that doesn't look dissimilar to the 'wear' on the edge of the UFO in the original footage. One of his cameras appeared to be a video camera yet we see no moving video recordings.
Great explanation, that means you can recreate the footage exactly then right?
@@section4030 With identical equipment probably.
But no money for a tripod 🙃
Something "not making sense to me" is not evidence that it didn't happen. Something "looking the same in my opinion" is not evidence that it is the same. That 'debunking' video is just an irrational joke
Plus, if it was a cruise ship, it wouldn’t be absolutely still. It would waiver with the water. The debunk is debunked. Good job on this video.
@@amysson5151 good point! Bobbing with the movement of the ocean! Thanks
Have you ever seen a cruise ship docked? They dont move. At all.
@@-redacted_by_youtubebut what about the part where the ufo starting glowing and the red lights
Thanks for posting.
Always found this video fascinating. Something about the bottom always struck me as cut off or odd. Every angel it appears to be almost flat.
Still think it could be real and when it morphs I'm like 😮😮😮.
Simple trigonometry should be able to show the object is higher up than the bridge of a cruise ship.
The confidence at 14:15 followed by the biggest RRREEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAACH of all time LOL
Mick West didn't do his own video that tells me he couldn't or didn't want to look like a fool. The monkey guy made a masterclass of being a fool!
selective debunking at its finest
Did you debunk TSM's 'bracelet' theory? Do we know why none of the objects video'd seems to have a bottom edge but is apparently cut off. None of the shots shows anything below that edge.
Based on the Optical Physicist saying it wasn’t a model and was lit with moonlight. Add in to that the footage zooming in and out of the moon and the objects showing its position over the horizon/water.
@@UAPFilesPodcast I have an issue with the report you cite which is where can we see his working? What’s quoted of his report is almost useless as it stands.
That dude decided to take the standard "debunker" model of loudly spewing nonsensical, techno-babble in a condescending tone and add in just a sprinkle of racism 😂 wtf
Sad shit is that West cannot Bunk anything anymore, he has to debunk everything (all for views)
Einstein was a smoker, someone shd tell old German mate!!
Great job! You've earned a subscriber 👍
@@justinburris4276 🙏
Fantastic work 👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks!
I think this is actually a perfect example of how normal objects become UFOs. The image we're seeing is distorted from the lens being zoomed out and most likely atmospheric conditions, you're never going to get a perfect match. People get conditioned from TV and movies into believing technology is better than reality. Those overlays of the cruise ship bridges look pretty close to me. Add in the ocean setting and the repetition of time of day and I think a ship is the most likely answer.
@@John-xd6ns what cruise ship?
@@UAPFilesPodcast I have no idea, unless a cruise line came out and said a certain cruise ship was at that exact spot at that time no one will ever no for sure. I certainly can't prove it, that's why I said I think is most likely.