@@hahope in my opinion doubles is a whole different ballgame. You have more court to work with which gives you an opportunity to hit even bigger with sharper angles. If you are rallying cross court, I would highly recommend hitting high over the night other than that absolutely not in doubles
@@4justiceagainstevil I've got plenty of topspin. I developed a one hand backhand with more topspin than the adults around me as a kid. Don't need two hands on a backhand for extra power either. I like Patrick and subscribe to his channel but I found it mildly condescending. Of course it's not good to hit the net. Of course you better know where you're on the court to try and hit over the low part of the next. If you can't then you need to clear the higher part. That requires topspin. I personally don't need to hit 8 feet over the net for depth is all. And I'm old. Tennis evolves anyway. Players getting their hands held by their coaches boxes all match long is boring. It makes it a team sport which it isn't. Team before and after the match, but while you're playing you better be able to problem solve on your own. Last night Medvedev beat Alcaraz partly because no one was in his ear, while Alcaraz had a constant amount of coaching chatter. Also most coaches have never been to a slam semi. They have no clue in that situation what to do or say either. Can't recall ever seeing Patrick play on the tour. I'm sure he has, but I've been WATCHING this sport for 48 years as well. Sorry for the lengthy response. Tennis is a passion for me.
Thanks for this video Patrick! This is one of the things that my coach usually emphasizes a lot during training. Both this and accelerating have a huge potential to allow us to actually play safer balls. For someone who used to play very flat like me, this is great.
Someone famously said, play high in singles but play low in doubles. I don't think playing high over the net is a good idea in doubles - being poached easily.
Said by you and you are ?@@jokuheppu3920 Even if you only play singles, when you do passing shots, you want to keep it low around the net level, or at an extreme angel. Same philosophy as in doubles. Also, look at players in singles who have a attacking style: Federer, Rublev, they all play lower over the net in singles.
Why not hit a deep flat shot in the corner then take a weak bouncing near service line a topspin in the corner for a winner or come to net and volley. If you hit flatten out or slice shot hard in corner the guy has to hit up on the ball for you to pick off at the net. Also try this hit very slow and low deep slice chip shot down the line and make the guy pick it off his shoelaces with zero pace jump on the net and angle volley for winner. Johnny Mac favorite tactic.
This has been my main focus for about a couple of years now. Still a work in progress but it's funny because now if I hit my groundstrokes (except slice) within 2 feet above the net I get annoyed even if it's a good shot.😂
Great advice….I am a 5.0 player and my hitting partner has a very heavy ball, so if you watched us, it’d be like “why does that guy keep dumping the ball in the net?” It’s because I’m playing against a ducking bowling ball. You just have to have strength in your legs (which I don’t) to push that ball back.
@@liamkingsbury7438 Depends a ton on who you're playing against. Most decent singles players are looking for an approach shot, and if you hit low you're bound to give them one pretty quickly and put yourself at disadvantage
@@liamkingsbury7438 yep and if you can play deep and low that's the best like Delpo blew Roger of the court in the US Open. The ball just skidding by. It's a more risky game but it works. Risk/ rewards dynamic
Not really Moratouglu! I used to watch matches of professional players, coaches and the “free category” which is the highest in my country and they had very low net clearance. That didnt make their shots fall short and they really hit it hard and with lots of top spin. It was mostly then hitting partners or coach apprentices who played moon volleys a lot or with high net clearance. I also watched a match between a national rankings champion and one of my university tutors who was quite good at tennis and the champion would hit these crazy backhand slices. They would barely clear the net and fly so low from beginning to end of the ball trajectory which invalidates your theory
It depends on the phase of the game and the playstyle as well, of course, but the thing is that when players use flat, low clearance balls, is with a purpose, usually to attack or change pace, and they have extreme accuracy as they are pros. Amateurs don't usually have the tactics/point building of pros nor the technique to hit low clearance shots consistently, so playing higher as the rule and lower as the exception will allow them to keep the ball in play longer and avoid dumb unforced errors
Watch the camera angles behind…it’s usually two to three feet above the net. nadal has insane net clearance. On attacking balls, you have to flatten out, means changing grip and swing path, you aim lower.
@@markconner5341two feet is not a lot of clearance! And when I watch these behind the court angles they’re often hitting it within a foot of the tape. Nadal and other heavy topspin players are an exception of course.
I am a going to be counter intuitive on this one. The high target that you are aiming for doesn't exist. So your target will always be variable. I am a tennis nobody so no one will listen to me. If you tell the player to aim for the net tape, how many can hit the tape twice in a row while hitting topspin from the baseline. When you aim for the net tape you will miss high most of the time. When you aim at the tape with foward intentioned topspin as opposed to upward intentioned topspin you will get the ball in and deep in the court But don't listen to me, I am a tenni nobody.
This is true today because everyone has been taught to hit with excessive topspin. Which is only possible because of the huge racquet faces now being made. Try doing that with a 70 sq in face. Now you have pros playing with 100+ sq in. The terrible consequence is the lack of variety/style of play in the game. The huge racquet faces have given too much advantage to the power game and not enough to the touch, skill, and strategy game. It's also responsible for the huge increase in two-handed backhands. Why? Because the excessive topspin being used is more easily dealt with using two hands. Again, this results in less variety of skills and strokes.
Is it really a "mistake"? Leisure players I see hit the ball low over the net and deep, because they aren't capable of generating much topspin. It isn't a "mistake" for them to hit the ball low over the net. It's the only way they can possibly prevent the ball from going out long, other than by slicing or lobbing all their shots.
you can hit a flat shot with all your power, but you must aim just above the net. in topspin you can go for net clearnce thing. As simple as that, its not the tendency but top players require to hit flat shots alot hence they aim for just above the net and sometimes they hit net.
You put topspin on most every drive to bring the ball down but we're talking the difference between a more natural line and a loopy ball. The more straight line topspin is going from point A to B faster and direct the loopy shot slows down in the air but gets an extra kick when it hits but will lose speed faster after the initial kick. It's the same physical law that governs a flat serve and a kick/topspin serve. Like Elon Musk said the laws of physics are unforgiving. If any coach or dumbbell player wants to change them good luck 🤞
I guess my problem is the exact opposite 😂 So much talks on the importance of topspin that I just didn't learn how to godamn hit a flat horizontal ball and now my brain-arm is hardwired this way.
I try to watch match videos from court level angles. A lot of tennis videos are from above and it makes the strokes look like they are barely clearing the net. It's very misleading.
Quelques vidéos en français ( origine de l'auteur) ,ça serait pas mal également... On comprend bien son accent mais par respect pour sa langue d'origine...
You don't need a ton of topspin to hit high over the net, although you may need to back off the pace a bit if you don't have topspin. Depth of shot is usually more important than pace.
Actually when I observe professionals in real life, I’m astounded how low they play over the net. They hit the ball hard and deep and low. In contrast amateur players (of a minimum standard, myself included) tend to give the ball much more margin.
Come on.. no way-- thats why tennis is not producing good players and 35+ players are still winning more -- you need to play both- some shots cannot be played higher- you need to know to play them lower and keep you opponent in check
I agree that most pro shots look close to the net but when you see a court level camera angle and behind them, their balls are actually at least 3 feet above the net. That's my observation anyway😊
If you are not on a pro Level Most opponents struggle with high top Spin shots which go deep into their court. Best way to put pressure and it’s a fairly safe shot since you always have high net clearance. Im not Talking about rainbows, but heavy spin, powerful strokes, Full swings. It also gives you an extra second to move since the Ball is in the air longer so you can reposition much easier which is maybe even the Most important aspect.
Hitting it into the net is, indeed, a stupid mistake. Never thought of it that way before but it’s so simple and yet so true. All it took was for me to hear it from Patrick. 😅
you ( and Patrick) just forget something : the fastest line is the straigth line ;) then adding net clearance gives you confort for sure ! but give confort ( more time) to the opponent too ;)
Most ATP pros, including Djokovic, hit a lot higher than what appears on TV. The camera angle is deceptive. The massive topspin allows them to swing fast, hit high over the net and still get the ball in.
I come from a small town. I went to OU tennis camp where Jason Roddick was the coach (Andy Roddick's brother) He tought us how to play deep. Went back to my small town and dominated people.
Not do I only play high over the net, I play high over the line too 😂
😂😂😂😂
Would this tip work for doubles? It would give easier chance for opponent to do volley.
@@hahope in my opinion doubles is a whole different ballgame. You have more court to work with which gives you an opportunity to hit even bigger with sharper angles. If you are rallying cross court, I would highly recommend hitting high over the night other than that absolutely not in doubles
Ahaha me too😂
Get that fly outta here lol
I usually play high over the fence
AGGGGGHHHHHHHH 😂😂😂😂😂 literally me a while ago
Weve all been there❤
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😂😂😂
My take away is that I'm very stupid because I'm hitting the net a lot....
Play how you're comfortable playing which yields the best results.
Work on your top spin, that will fix it
@@4justiceagainstevil I've got plenty of topspin. I developed a one hand backhand with more topspin than the adults around me as a kid. Don't need two hands on a backhand for extra power either. I like Patrick and subscribe to his channel but I found it mildly condescending. Of course it's not good to hit the net. Of course you better know where you're on the court to try and hit over the low part of the next. If you can't then you need to clear the higher part. That requires topspin. I personally don't need to hit 8 feet over the net for depth is all. And I'm old. Tennis evolves anyway. Players getting their hands held by their coaches boxes all match long is boring. It makes it a team sport which it isn't. Team before and after the match, but while you're playing you better be able to problem solve on your own. Last night Medvedev beat Alcaraz partly because no one was in his ear, while Alcaraz had a constant amount of coaching chatter. Also most coaches have never been to a slam semi. They have no clue in that situation what to do or say either. Can't recall ever seeing Patrick play on the tour. I'm sure he has, but I've been WATCHING this sport for 48 years as well.
Sorry for the lengthy response. Tennis is a passion for me.
Probably it wasn't the stupid, it's the random brain fart when returning the ball
Because your ball trajectory is too flat.
If only I could execute that topspin….that is what allows me to hit high over the net!
You don't necessarily need a lot of topspin to hit high over the net, though it certainly helps. You can even slice high to achieve depth.
@@goldencalf5144how can we slice high over the net?
Change grip and swing path…use a semi-western and go up rather than out….it’ll suck for six months, but you’ll be glad you did.
@@goldencalf5144 If he cant hit top spin, he wont be able to hit slices either dude...thats even more advanced than topspin.
@@goldencalf5144You could also reduce your racquet speed. You'll get less pace of course. But, it will go in and be high.
But first you have to learn how to put spin on the ball otherwise you’re just hitting lame moon balls
Thanks for this video Patrick! This is one of the things that my coach usually emphasizes a lot during training. Both this and accelerating have a huge potential to allow us to actually play safer balls. For someone who used to play very flat like me, this is great.
Omg I love your vids bc I'm in green ball
The closer you are towards the net the more topspin you need...
Someone famously said, play high in singles but play low in doubles. I don't think playing high over the net is a good idea in doubles - being poached easily.
Play extreme angles in doubles
Doubles is irrelevant anyways.
Said by you and you are ?@@jokuheppu3920 Even if you only play singles, when you do passing shots, you want to keep it low around the net level, or at an extreme angel. Same philosophy as in doubles. Also, look at players in singles who have a attacking style: Federer, Rublev, they all play lower over the net in singles.
Not really, a high crosscourt shot is unpoachable
Doubles is a different sport and is irrelevant to this video.
I’ve always done this by default but struggle to get any power when trying to finish the point using a flat groundstroke.
Why not hit a deep flat shot in the corner then take a weak bouncing near service line a topspin in the corner for a winner or come to net and volley. If you hit flatten out or slice shot hard in corner the guy has to hit up on the ball for you to pick off at the net. Also try this hit very slow and low deep slice chip shot down the line and make the guy pick it off his shoelaces with zero pace jump on the net and angle volley for winner. Johnny Mac favorite tactic.
I just started playing and all your tips are spot on. Amazing coaching videos.
This has been my main focus for about a couple of years now. Still a work in progress but it's funny because now if I hit my groundstrokes (except slice) within 2 feet above the net I get annoyed even if it's a good shot.😂
Great advice….I am a 5.0 player and my hitting partner has a very heavy ball, so if you watched us, it’d be like “why does that guy keep dumping the ball in the net?” It’s because I’m playing against a ducking bowling ball. You just have to have strength in your legs (which I don’t) to push that ball back.
This is a new perspective for me. I always try to play short above the net because I don’t want to hit “rainbows”.
And the high ball gives the guy more time to get to it hence the 30 40 shot rallies of today.
@@willkittwk exactly, a ball with small angle (almost skimming the ground its so low to the net) is way better than playing deep in my opinion
@@liamkingsbury7438 Depends a ton on who you're playing against. Most decent singles players are looking for an approach shot, and if you hit low you're bound to give them one pretty quickly and put yourself at disadvantage
@@liamkingsbury7438 yep and if you can play deep and low that's the best like Delpo blew Roger of the court in the US Open. The ball just skidding by. It's a more risky game but it works. Risk/ rewards dynamic
Not really Moratouglu! I used to watch matches of professional players, coaches and the “free category” which is the highest in my country and they had very low net clearance. That didnt make their shots fall short and they really hit it hard and with lots of top spin. It was mostly then hitting partners or coach apprentices who played moon volleys a lot or with high net clearance. I also watched a match between a national rankings champion and one of my university tutors who was quite good at tennis and the champion would hit these crazy backhand slices. They would barely clear the net and fly so low from beginning to end of the ball trajectory which invalidates your theory
I play high over the fence too 😂😂
the length can be reached by the go through dear Patrick ;)
but I have seen many professionals play low
It depends on the phase of the game and the playstyle as well, of course, but the thing is that when players use flat, low clearance balls, is with a purpose, usually to attack or change pace, and they have extreme accuracy as they are pros. Amateurs don't usually have the tactics/point building of pros nor the technique to hit low clearance shots consistently, so playing higher as the rule and lower as the exception will allow them to keep the ball in play longer and avoid dumb unforced errors
Watch the camera angles behind…it’s usually two to three feet above the net. nadal has insane net clearance. On attacking balls, you have to flatten out, means changing grip and swing path, you aim lower.
@@markconner5341two feet is not a lot of clearance! And when I watch these behind the court angles they’re often hitting it within a foot of the tape. Nadal and other heavy topspin players are an exception of course.
No any that are good enough to be on TV
But it's boring to see high balls,looks too defensive
EXCELLENT ADVICE COACH PATRICK!! 👏👍
what about the pressure to keep the ball inside the court..
Una traducción al español .. sería perfecto 👌 jej un saludo 👋
love ur tips!
Nothing more true than that, Coach
what abaout if we playing double...are the rule is the same....??? because if we hit the high...the opponent will easely hit with the voley...
High means also out
Thanks Great Advice.
I am a going to be counter intuitive on this one. The high target that you are aiming for doesn't exist. So your target will always be variable. I am a tennis nobody so no one will listen to me. If you tell the player to aim for the net tape, how many can hit the tape twice in a row while hitting topspin from the baseline. When you aim for the net tape you will miss high most of the time. When you aim at the tape with foward intentioned topspin as opposed to upward intentioned topspin you will get the ball in and deep in the court But don't listen to me, I am a tenni nobody.
This is true today because everyone has been taught to hit with excessive topspin. Which is only possible because of the huge racquet faces now being made. Try doing that with a 70 sq in face. Now you have pros playing with 100+ sq in. The terrible consequence is the lack of variety/style of play in the game. The huge racquet faces have given too much advantage to the power game and not enough to the touch, skill, and strategy game. It's also responsible for the huge increase in two-handed backhands. Why? Because the excessive topspin being used is more easily dealt with using two hands. Again, this results in less variety of skills and strokes.
leisure players ... pleasure ! ;)
What about the doubles? I tend to get a poacher on these high balls and it's easier to put away.
I prefer high over the fence and into the trees
I like to play over the fence to the next court
funny how my coach wants me to play lower balls
Is it really a "mistake"? Leisure players I see hit the ball low over the net and deep, because they aren't capable of generating much topspin. It isn't a "mistake" for them to hit the ball low over the net. It's the only way they can possibly prevent the ball from going out long, other than by slicing or lobbing all their shots.
there is no true rule :)
it is depending on your way to play , mainly agressive ot not :)
Moura : leisure mentality !
Just watch Davis Cup live. One thing that astonished me was how close to the net both players smashed the ball during rallies … now I’m confused 👀
you can hit a flat shot with all your power, but you must aim just above the net. in topspin you can go for net clearnce thing. As simple as that, its not the tendency but top players require to hit flat shots alot hence they aim for just above the net and sometimes they hit net.
You put topspin on most every drive to bring the ball down but we're talking the difference between a more natural line and a loopy ball. The more straight line topspin is going from point A to B faster and direct the loopy shot slows down in the air but gets an extra kick when it hits but will lose speed faster after the initial kick. It's the same physical law that governs a flat serve and a kick/topspin serve. Like Elon Musk said the laws of physics are unforgiving. If any coach or dumbbell player wants to change them good luck 🤞
i've won a bowling tournement with this tips
Gracias Patrick
Great tip! PS. He’s so dreamy;)❤️❤❤❤
Don't be a lazier player
I guess my problem is the exact opposite 😂 So much talks on the importance of topspin that I just didn't learn how to godamn hit a flat horizontal ball and now my brain-arm is hardwired this way.
High over net, seems way too much time for the opponent. Take time away. That seems to be best. Especially in doubles.
I try to watch match videos from court level angles. A lot of tennis videos are from above and it makes the strokes look like they are barely clearing the net. It's very misleading.
This is my problem I'm trying to fix it 😢
high also requires a lot of topspin, which many players have trouble getting
But if it just barely goes over the net it looks and feels pretty cool. Mhm
I play high. Usually a bong rip. Then I play high over the net. I also have a high toss. I’m high
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Instructions unclear. Now it’s all out
Training to shoot the net with right effect and you will gain every points when you need it .. without apologies ...
Net worth beats net clearance unless your Bjorn Borg, in which case their one and the same.
Quelques vidéos en français ( origine de l'auteur) ,ça serait pas mal également...
On comprend bien son accent mais par respect pour sa langue d'origine...
ça payera moins ^^^^ et puis tant qu'à dire des trucs si basiques mais encore contestables hein autant que ce ne soit pas dans notre chère langue :)
NGL i play low and my balls barley hit the end of the box how do u play deep
swing harder, have a more aggressively rotated grip to counteract the pace and keep the ball from sailing.
I teach this everyday....I think we come from the same school. Another benefit is the bounce is high making your opponent hit above his/hers shoulder
I alwayw hit too long, how do I fix that?
usually by pushing your hand ( more ) forward instead of higher ;)
the hand goes where you want your ball to go ;)
mamy player think being tight with the net Will show how accurate their stroke is 😂 but they do unforced eror so much
it is a way to be accurate for sure !
not the only one. it is just an agressive way to play ;)
@@antoinev9733you can do that for the killing stroke . not all the time .
I play high. Just high.
Hit high could also mean hit long. Some of us don't have topspin. 😢😢😢
Try to change the grip. It helped me a lot when I changed the Eastern grip to Semi Western.
@@carlosdias92I’m a eastern grip that hits spin but it just depends on what grip u use
You don't need a ton of topspin to hit high over the net, although you may need to back off the pace a bit if you don't have topspin. Depth of shot is usually more important than pace.
With a racket face vertical to the ground at contact it’s extremely hard to make balls land behind the baseline. Try it if you doubt.
hit lower that simple ;)
keep in mind that the hand have to go where you want the ball to go :)
it works very well ;)
Sinner huts flatter and ball bounces at servuce line a lot vut ball bounces fast so??
Awesome tip
Thanks a lot
Really learning this at the moment.
Actually when I observe professionals in real life, I’m astounded how low they play over the net. They hit the ball hard and deep and low. In contrast amateur players (of a minimum standard, myself included) tend to give the ball much more margin.
Is there any difference single play between double one?
Come on.. no way-- thats why tennis is not producing good players and 35+ players are still winning more -- you need to play both- some shots cannot be played higher- you need to know to play them lower and keep you opponent in check
This is all the confirmation I need that I am indeed stupid 😂
Second to you brother
but the low balls look so good…..
yeaaaah :) leisure !! pleasure ! keep in mind it is a game :)
it is just your choice.
Avid saying it aint bout the money but immediately accepting it when jynxi offers it😂
Robin Söderling and his forehand say hi. Tennis is not just about avoiding mistakes.
This is why I exclusively moonball.
I'd pay $7500/hr for this kind of incredible advice.
Your videos are very helpful and informative. Many thanks from Korea!
Maestro!
Good tip but in watching matches on RUclips most of the players seem to be hitting low over the net
I guess the choice is yours. Trust your eyes, or trust your ears?
I agree that most pro shots look close to the net but when you see a court level camera angle and behind them, their balls are actually at least 3 feet above the net. That's my observation anyway😊
Your eyes are fooling you because the camera is above the action. Any pros who mostly hit their balls low over the net will have very short careers
My club pro drilled us to hit 5 ft over the net.
low over the net and deep
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the best way ! Delpo forehand ! PAF ! :)
Not just in tennis is it important to play deep 😏
Fed used to play low, forcing the opponent come close to the baseline.
but its also harder to return a ball that is played very low over the net
Im was a short player but now i high
I csnt get my playrrs lady neginners to close he net or move back.
Flat = low and fast ball, topspin = high and slow ball
This is for both double and single; or just single?
Medvedev ist playing extremly low over the net.
When u are right u r right ✅️
This 2003 b2k beat
If you are not on a pro Level Most opponents struggle with high top Spin shots which go deep into their court. Best way to put pressure and it’s a fairly safe shot since you always have high net clearance. Im not Talking about rainbows, but heavy spin, powerful strokes, Full swings. It also gives you an extra second to move since the Ball is in the air longer so you can reposition much easier which is maybe even the Most important aspect.
did you see ALcaraz in RG2024 and even Wimby 2023 ?? ;)
No.... mix it up....
Where is he? 🧐
Sooo true. Tried that million times 😊🎉
Patrick en français svp
But we amateurs blow away the tennis ball by one mile 😂😢
Hitting it into the net is, indeed, a stupid mistake. Never thought of it that way before but it’s so simple and yet so true. All it took was for me to hear it from Patrick. 😅
you ( and Patrick) just forget something : the fastest line is the straigth line ;)
then adding net clearance gives you confort for sure ! but give confort ( more time) to the opponent too ;)
Super lesson a cgabce mire chances not one
I think a lot of people just play high
In a match should I push or should I hit hard
Djokovic actually doesn't. He plays mostly flat unless he wants to topspin it cross court
That's what I think plus too high slows ball down. You gotta watch tennis at court level from back of the players. Djoks and Fed don't play too high.
watch his match court level its high. of course it varies depending on situation
2019 nitto atp vs Federer court level you will see they varied the length and height of ball clearance.
Most ATP pros, including Djokovic, hit a lot higher than what appears on TV. The camera angle is deceptive. The massive topspin allows them to swing fast, hit high over the net and still get the ball in.
@@goldencalf5144 exactly why hit flat with low clearance, low percentage when you can hit just as hard with tons of topspin and more margin of error
I don’t know if I should trust that guy! What does he know😀
Bs
Counter intuitive. Rings true
I come from a small town. I went to OU tennis camp where Jason Roddick was the coach (Andy Roddick's brother)
He tought us how to play deep. Went back to my small town and dominated people.
Ironic!
John Roddick.