NEVER Swing Low To High On Your FOREHAND! Do This Instead
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Here is a more in depth explanation of this highly controversial concept, I provided proof with examples of pro players. Multiple tennis RUclipsrs ganged up on me for making this video, and this is my response: ruclips.net/video/WZ5S6DZAjSs/видео.htmlfeature=shared
There's nothing controversial about playing topspin ground-strokes - physics dictates that you must swing low to high through contact - get yourself educated - The Physics and Technology of Tennis by Howard Brody (3 expert contributors)
You're not even a proper coach ..
@@Chris_Sheridan there’s nothing good about your forehand
@@Tennisdoctorofficial Lol! .. check your comment reviews - not everyone is fooled by your poor teaching and obvious click-bait titles that you use.
You don't understand the basic principles of tennis - you're not even a proper coach - what qualifications do you have?
You've never played tennis professionally or competed on the ATP tour.
Anyone with coaching qualifications can see that you're a complete novice with no teaching experience whatsoever - even people in the comments section have noticed that you contradict yourself and are calling you out on your tennis knowledge and poor teaching. You can't even speak properly!
Tennis Doctor? .. what a joke!
@@Tennisdoctorofficial thank you for improving my forehand and obh. Your tips really work for me even my friend said my groundstrokes are looking very good with a lot of spin. Ignore the haters. Cheers
Watch in 1.5x speed and thank me later for saving time. 😅
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1.25x is definerelly looks more natural than 1.0x :))
@@DrVitalliO 1.25 is perfect. I was wondering why the guy talks like that and concluded that he probably had a stutter before, and that he's probably going through techniques to get rid of it.
Bro, it took me about 2.7 seconds to get it😂
1.25x feels more normal
I ve been playing tennis and trying to improve by studying clips from youtube for almost 10 years now. There are so many theories out there and many of them contradict with one another. Your lessons are by far the most accurate, in term of swing mechanics, since they actually improved many of my strokes. Great job and thank you!
He is teaching an all arm forehand where the arm pushes through the hitting zone. The rotation of the body leading with your strong leg to your strong side hip should be forward force of the forehand allowing you to not only use your full body weight behind the ball but it also allows the high velocity snap rotational force(such as unwinding a twisted rubber band) to generate power on the ball. High speed rotational movement with mass of the body will give one a much more powerful forehand than a stroke with just arm mass.
@@michaelm1105 My forehand has changed and improved dramatically after many years of trial and error with many other methods.
@@michaelm1105 He is teaching getting under the ball with your legs. That is not teaching "an all arm forehand". Just the opposite. If you Get under the ball with your legs and lift thru contact you will be using your whole body.
@@Better_Call_Raul he is teaching moving the arm parallel to the ground to get pop on the ball. That is ok however one will have only mass of the arm behind the ball. I’d rather have the mass of my entire body weight in a high rotational velocity putting the force behind the ball. When the arm rotates through the hitting zone while connected to the rotational force of the body you’ll have a lot more power than the arm out front alone like he demonstrates.
Perfect explanation of the right technique. what would be great to see is SLOW motion of the forehand or backhand.
It's still low to high, but just at a different degrees. You're right in that it doesn't need to be as extreme as some are being taught but watch any slow motion video of the big 3 and you'll see wrist is about waist level and finishes around the shoulder. What you're teaching is what we call, flattening out the stroke or hitting through the ball more. It still in essence is low to high.
Agree
Communication techniques are key to understanding concepts. Most people parrot mainstream terminologies that can be unclear and ineffective. Vincent's approach is clear, simple, and comprehensible.
@@naji465 .. but he says don't swing low to high, which is demonstrably false - all professional tennis players swing the racquet below the height of the incoming ball to play topspin.
The main thing to take away is to get low and dont end your stroke at right next to your ear like how a lot of beginner instructors teach. Swing through the ball is the key
Hearing this I feel taken for a fool. Of course we don't play with straight legs...it's quite natural to go down on my knees, as well as adusting hand and body to incoming ball height.
And anybody can choose the way to follow through, more flat or not, over or under the opposite shoulder.
Of course begginners are often taught to wipe over the shoulder because it adds margin over the net, especially if you don't push enough body weight through the ball.
I hate all those controversial titles just made to add views on YT accounts.
First time I have seen you and this video. I LOVE the fact you are intelligent enough to speak slowly and clearly with a SIMPLE explanation-so refreshing to see this after too much talking from many other coaches as well as not always clear. I’ll definitley look at your other videos. The first person also in my experience to demonstrate this crucial action on the forehand. Thank you!
You obviously haven't checked the many other tennis channels on RUclips that are far better than this guy ..
I've learned this by using a pure drive that added a LOT of power to my swing. Doing low to high movement with the arm did not add enough topspin to keep the ball in the court. Only by loading my legs and exploding up was I able to get the necessary topspin. This is particular evident when going for a forehand down the line after receiving a heavy cross court shot, it is almost impossible to redirect the ball with arm alone.
Pure Drive Roddick hits a heavy ball
Great video, thank you for expaining this. I really struggle with my forehand being more 'brushing' and having no pop sound on the strike. Definetly when I watch pro players on TV it seems like they move the racket low to high.
I wish you added actual video of you and pro players in slow mo to demonstrate their swing path.
Thank you
.. don't listen to this dude - he doesn't know what he's talking about - go check the many other tennis channels on RUclips that are far better with qualified and experienced coaches.
It's just personal style. If you have more power and want more spin, try to change the grip a bit first, vice versa. Swing path shouldn't be always the same, and should change according to the height of the incoming ball, and by your intention as well. For example, if you want to lob, you have to swing low to high with good amount of top spin. But generally speaking, your normal swing path should have balanced power and spin, which is a combined effect of your personal swing preference, grip style, and the technique of your legs.
It's definitely low to high no matter how you try to sound smarter and make laymen viewers believe you came up with something new.
It's just the degree of the angles and speed of the swings and follow through.
There's a certain amount of touch and feel it all the strokes creating the trajectory necessary from contact to finish.
Imagine hitting through the backhand with a flatter slice and saying its not high to low.
You're "mistakening"😄
You don't hit the forehand like you hit the slice. Slice is high to low. Forehand is not. Is mostly to the front
@@carlosflores4179
Uhh 🤔
"You don't hit a forehand like a forehand"?
"It's to the front"?
Wow man, that's very insightful!
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If you're trying to disagree and rebut my comment, you should probably reread everything and think again.
@@arthurevans2029 hahaha sorry! I meant don't hit the forehand like you hit the slice* my brain kind of died
@@carlosflores4179 well, a slice can be hit on either the backhand OR forehand.
It's high to low to create backspin while
topspin is low to high.
Even as you attempt to flatten out your swing, it's still either low to high or high to low.
You have many degrees of possibility for Racket speed and power and touch and trajectory.
I am still not sure why you replied to my comment in the first place.
Very valuable insight into the topspin forehand mechanics, and the calm explanation is very enjoyable to listen to.
This is good info. I'd say that the swing path is a little low too high, but for the most part, this is spot on. I've always thought that teaching a player to brush the ball from the baseline was misguided.
Bending your legs or rather knees is the mantra for any racquet sport. Thanks for reminding us to use our legs to generate power in our tennis strokes. I thought the distinction between lowering ones racquet vs lowering one’s body was brilliant. Thank you!
Yes, you are right and the last 50 years of topspin progression is wrong. You a genius
Dude, you put out some of the best teaching videos I have seen on the Internet. I applaud you for your attention to detail as well as the accuracy of the information you provide. You are a top tier teacher.
You’re literally swinging low to high in the intro
It must be a troll video. I have no other explanation for that. 🤷♂
The point is that you should lower your body and not just your hand. If you focus on just your hand going below the ball, then you might be dropping your shoulder and leaning over instead of just bending your legs to get under the ball. He saying at that point once your body is under the ball by bending your legs, then you will have to have to hit low to high. So that point it’s better to hit through the ball. That way you have spin and penetrate the court. I am guilty of using my hand and arm only. Produces tons of spin but no real weight behind the ball.
Fantastic video Vincent - I've been playing this amazing game for 40 years plus, and you nailed it with your elaborate description. Thanks Dev
I tell my students to get behind the ball more instead of under and use their legs coupled with a wide base to generate that “shape” on the ball aka topspin. You’re on point. Low to high is very basic generic lazy feedback.
Swinging Inside to outside instead of low to high helped me a lot
Nah... Questionable stuff. Misleading for a beginner. I mean, _just look at your own strokes_ in the beginning of the video, and the swingpath / path of your racket head on those. Fully contrary to what you claim at 3:18. To further confirm how the swingpaths tend to look like, anyone can go and look at a number of videos of pros hitting on RUclips. The problem is that at 3:18 you go OTT with how the swingpath supposedly should be. Nearly horizontal. A beginner will wonder why it's so hard to keep the ball in play. You might see this maybe on occasion on a flattened more attacking ball. Which leads to a final point of: it depends on the situation. Are you hitting a more attacking or a more defensive ball given the spot you're in... How much margin do you want to put on the ball... Are you trying to hit through the court or use an angle... The height of the incoming ball... Etc.
Fully agree. Also he mentions using the legs to create topspin, but most Pros are very stable at contact; yes they get below the ball, but rotate on a fairly flat plane. Rublev is a prime example. In a recent video this same instructor told us not to extend up with the legs in the backhand, ‘stay sitting in the chair’. Not sure who is more confused, us or him!
Your lessons are BY FAR the best on youtube. You teach things most "popular" YT coaches do not share. Thanks!
You're joking obviously - there are many tennis channels on RUclips giving technical advice along with slow-motion video analysis of professional players.
If you slow down the swing of the player hitting near the start of the video, it's quite clear that his arm is moving higher through the finish.
This is why I love U Tube videos on tennis strokes! I was big on low to high swing. I bet more power will be noticed with your video lesson. Tnx.
Absolutely correctly explained . Exactly that point makes the difference between pro end recreational players. Legs and body rotation/transition instead only arms..
There are so many different balls which ball are you talking about and or what is the objective deep or short and what exactly does the legs do to the ball?
I don't see how you get 2500 RPM on the top spin with only the legs.
Is the reason you don’t show an example of anyone who is on tour because all of them swing low to high.
i agree because i encountered it, but in addition to that just imagine the angle of the net, the hitting ball and the racket face with your stroke, i'm a beginner but it is absolutely effective, i must not share these because starting today I want to be an undefeated player everyday and every competition
Good job. I use the same concept for my kick serves but just underneath the ball. lol
Great video man, I could watch you hit balls all day, can you put some more forehand content out? Thanks
This is pretty good. People keep telling me rackets need to be low, but I have been struggle with to let the racket drop low yet not use wrist.
Nadal and Federer swing low to high big time. Extremely low racquet drops like theirs aren’t what I’d teach, but most topspin comes from low to high as contact is being made. The follow through is a result. Federer doesn’t have a high follow through even though he has a low to high swing.
Wrong! They do not have low to high swing path generated from arm.
@@DeltoidBeast It is pretty close to impossible to generate topspin and get the ball over the net without a low to high swing path. Topspin comes from the direction the racquet face is moving relative to the angle of the racquet face. A flat swing with a flat face will put the ball in the net. A flat swing with the face slightly closed will hit ball lower into the net. You have to swing low to high to get the ball over the net with a topspin groundstroke. A truly flat groundstroke hit 80 mph with no topspin drops nearly 2.5 feet by the time it reaches the net so unless the ball is over your head you have to swing low to high to get it over the net with topspin.
@@marktace1 Point is that low to high comes from the body, not the arm or the wrist. To have power on your shots you need penetration, to go through the ball. Grip and angle of your racket generate spin, but you need to do it as fast as possible, to have the greatest possible racket head speed, and for that you need strong, linear movement with your arm, to invest body into the shot as much as possible.
@@DeltoidBeast Nice concept but reality as is quite obvious from side on video is that topspin comes mostly from the low to high hand path and that there is a very limited contribution from the legs. The legs provide power but trying to use the legs to create topspin tends to lead to errors and doesn’t create much topspin. Look at side on slow motion of forehands and you’ll see that the players waists tend to be fixed in height through contact while the hand is going low to high. Yes, more racquet head speed creates more topspin but that is because it enables the hand to move faster along the low to high path.
@@marktace1 that low to high what you mean is nothing more than most powerful way to swing racket. There is a lot of body involment, legs. Arm is just final link. Point is if you try to swing racket intentionaly from low to high there is no power like that, or true top spin. Top spin comes naturally as product of powerful swinging through the ball. Look at strokes of guy from the video. He has excellent strokes and knows what he is talking about. What you are saying is amateur technique. I tried this myself, and it works.
There's a lot misunderstood here. I hope developing players aren't taking this at face value and trying to implement.
The bending is crucial & a great reminder. However I would like to see the Doctor get his butt cap facing the net more on his FH.
Actually tried this technique of hitting across the body. He described it in a different video as hitting an imaginary c in front of you. Well the balls I hit this way seems more powerful and penetrating the court . He is on to something here
I still saw nothing but low to high for your forehand swings of racquet, contradict to your title.
True. LOL. The title is click bait. Also, low to high is the best way to learn topspin. Even waiting for the ball with your wrist below your knees is how I was taught.
@@sanekabc Nadal shows excellent low to high moves. This so called tennis instructor of this video is making a fool himself, not trustable!
@@strongbrain3128ruclips.net/video/350Ewfe09i0/видео.htmlsi=y1JPzdHJD3RZPlGE
I would like to point you to 3:43 in the video.
his point is that you don't need to use your arms to consciously swing up through the ball to get topspin --the topspin is auto-generated by simply extending your legs up during the stroke. K.I.S.S. Keep it simple St**pidgin principle.
Thank you for your videos!! Keep doing them, please. This kind of information is priceless and It's well explained.
You are doing excellent with your channel! Consistency is required to succeed and I know you'll keep improving every aspect of your videos.
Greetings from Colombia! (with "o", not "u")
Good breakdown. I feel like 'low to high' is a saying from the 70s/80s. I feel like 4.0 and below just don't get the legs aspect of things. You see the same mistakes over and over again. Anyway, I find to create more top, besides what you said, just opening the face a hair more is all you need to do. Like you said, the bulk of the swing is from the legs/hips/core and the arm if loose...just comes along for the ride.
I didn't know that, so I'm glad I found this video. But there is something else no one ever talks about, and that is using your elbow to whip the forehand. It requires very little motion and supplies a huge amount of leverage. I know some teachers say to use the largest muscles, and rotate with your shoulder, not your wrist. They often don't even mention the elbow. If you cock your wrist with the head of the racquet pointing up, you can knock the crap out of the ball just by moving your elbow. Less motion = more accuracy. The power comes from your forearm muscles, and mine are very strong, so this works for me. I guess another way to put it is to say one should hit a forehand like they hit a serve. The most movement on a serve is from the elbow, and that is why you can hit the ball 200 kmh (well, some can). I'm not that great, so take my advice with a grain of salt. I haven't had enough experience to get really good, but I can KILL my forehand using my method. I also have a very hard serve, which comes from using a lot of wrist and elbow. I get the topspin by jumping up into the ball, yielding a high bounce to the opponent's backhand side, which is something almost nobody returns well.
I hit my hardest forehand using the technique you described. I bent my knees enough and swung almost straight through the ball with an eastern forehand.
I agree with you . I see people flipping their hand and the ball is very weak. I blast straight thru it and get lots of spin in the process.
Great video. I needed that table top swing
As much as I enjoy listening to you it would have bee great to see it in slow motion. For example is the racket head above the wrist?
Nice video. Fully agree. Point is that body is much more invested in every shot. It is not the arm motion, it is not the wrist motion, it is whole body motion in each stroke.
my experience backs up the advice from this video. if you don't hit through the ball, you shank it. great advice.
Hello Vincent,
Could you make a video for top-spin rallies from the service line?
As a warm-up routine, I do the rally with my friends every 10 minutes before the baseline rally is started.
It's very useful information. I knew this before but get confirmation in this video. 2 things: 1)your legs 2) hit the ball , and don't only spin it
This is excellent, i love your approach and your attitude. Subscribed
bravo. excellent notes/points. you are excellent at speaking and explaining techniques very clearly. your intentional good annunciation and taking your time to explain the points helps very much too, i think.
WOW Great tip, i was trying to figure out this mystery and you just elaborate it so well.
True saw a guy playing like this today creating tremendous power
Excellent vid Doc. Nothing new for me but always nice to be reminded.
So... I've just watched the guys on OTI and he says the low to high body movement is also innaccurate! Which I personally agree with. None of you ("coaches" including the 4-5 different ones I've had over the years)) are explaining this. That while yes, you want bent knees for spring, but mainly to enable the transfer of weight starting on the back foot, then twisting through the kinetic chain twisting forward to the front foot or even jumping off the feet. Many of the times by the time the pro player hits the ball they're not low at all, they're springing forward from the weight balance transfer. It would be great if you would complete the advice in your video to explain this please. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Any chance you can take some feeds and show us the difference? Is this a hard court strat? Would a heavier ball be better on clay?
I love how he speaks slowly so that I can really take in what he is saying. 👍
Good advise and clear explained. thanks for the video.
This is the very best explanation that I have found in a lot of time. Thank you !!
Don't be fooled. His swing path is absolutely low to high. not flat. not high to low.
The two main points you CAN take away from this is ...
1 - start really low - bend your knees to explode up / through the ball
and
2 - use more wrist / windshield wiper motion to get that extra topspin.
Amazing content. Thank you! Could you possibly make a video suggesting some drills to improve on these exact painpoints?
EXACTLY!
Bend the knees!
Great video.
Thanks for the useful information. And speak very slowly good for nonEnglish speakers
what about a short low ball around the service line
Very well explained & definitely will try to apply it to my forehand. Thanks
This made a huge difference for me. Thank you.
Thanks coach, your tips is very helpful
very clear presentation. I also think wiper path don't produce much power..
Great video and explanation - watching your videos and playing/practicing a lot helped me get from a 3.5 to strong 4.0 and hopefully getting to a 4.5 level. At 57 and being in good shape, tennis has become a very fun endeavor -
quick question - how can I move better and react faster to the ball? I have a hard time slowing everything down and I feel rushed because watching the ball and opponents are tough/difficult for me. What should I be focusing on in the point - just the ball?
Yes, watch the ball as if it’s a water melon and you could see the paint on it. Focus on a faster and smaller take back before the ball bounces, watch the opponent before they hit, but after it’s just you and the ball.
Nice description of the modern tennis forehand.
Davvero interessante. Proverò sicuramente a mettere in pratica. Grazie 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
This was so helpful, used this in my match today and I was noticeably more consistent
I find the cue of pointing the racquet tip to where u want to hit the ball, to be the best way to transfer energy into the ball
What are your strings and tension?
Great video, you make it easy to understand.
is your footwork recovery/split-step Alcarez-inspired?
I clicked on the link for your courses and I was sent to a page where it says it costs 16,400?
This is my problem. I got used to doing that swing path and having a hard time changing it to have more pemenetration
This guy contradicts his own title. Watch slow motion videos of Federer hitting and watch his swing path. Getting the ball on the low bounce requires you to hit low to high
Great explanation and lesson !
Watch how high Sinner’s follow through is before he finishes his swing on his forehand. You can see in slo mo how his forearm covers his chin or mouth. This gives massive topspin.
Thanks for a great explanation.
Gotta say though, you could be an undertaker if tennis coaching doesn’t work out.
Try intriduce nit defuned stroje . This is fir players working on a game via hmmm so definition no but laughter by mistajes. So the grip changes and stos the swibf definition sayhit flat slowwr rwcover and return to slight mud court back. Steps and tea
Very useful indeed.
Excellent explanation, thank you!
I like your delivery mate, and appreciate your tips. I'll definitely try this out.
Very clear, can’t wait to try the tips on the court
I agree about bending the knees, but if you are 6ft & over, yes, you can flatten the ball more, but most people are 5ft10 less & they must brush up to get the ball over the net because the ball cannot be hit easily at a higher height (shoulder height). Moreover, taller players have a few tens of seconds more to hit the ball. The net is less of an issue for taller players as they can hit the ball at a higher height than other smaller players, comfortably & easily. Women are usually even smaller. But i agree about bending.
I'm not so sure about your conclusion. The primary purpose of bending (staying low) and straightening of the legs is to push off the ground and trasfer that reaction force into the ball. Its by-product is the slight upward orientation of the swing plane, but that is really small in the scheme of spin production. The primary RPM is generated by the rapid pronation of the wrist and inward rotation of the arm/shoulder. But more critically, the effect of the spin is tied to the forward velocity of the ball. Same anology as a plane, the faster it goes, the more lift the wings experience. The challenge for rec player is how to execute all 3 components with the correct kinentic chain sequence.
Why do you talk so slowly? appreciate the insights. Thank you.
Having coached people in speech, my guess is it's a combination of speaking slowly to be clear to all listeners, and being careful not to make a mistake with the script, but give a clean delivery.
U are right but if u plowtrough tooo much u will muscle the ball right?
It makes sense because it is correct.
Great lesson. I’m trying to level up and this is exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you!
Never saying some others swinging improper . There is nothing wrong swinging within theirs comfort zones. Everyone swings are different. As long the contact point consistency putting balls at the right place. You are doing something right. Let the game do all the talking.
Yes you nailed it again . Always there is something missing and you need to hear it just that..let's go to the next on
Well done thank you keep rocking
I guess top spin forehand is bit overhyped and many rec tennis players including myself start trying them way too early before properly developing the technique. And yes, heavy top spin gives us depth, angle and less likeliness of error, but not so much if it is not with enough plow through. I think this video will definitely help a lot to those who recently started applying top spin to their forehand and felt like their power actually got weaker. If I somehow go back to the point when I first learned forehand, I might start trying top spin only after I am able to land my forehand on the baseline and start to miss long.
Does this apply to the one handed backhand as well? I think in another video you talked about staying down on the one handed backhand. Thanks!
Yes it does
I think this is a brilliant tip, but I would love to see you put it into motion so we can see it in action
Wow! Thank you
If you have a semi western or western grip by default you have to go up, you can't go across and if the ball is at hip or higher you still need to go up. In order to go up must start somewhat lower. With a full western grip there is no way to avoid this low high / path with racket. If you watch Nadal or Sock, you will see this how it works.
i think slomo of Federer forehand is perfect example of what you are talking about. i can't think of better example
I love the content of your videos Simone.
But i feel the videos can be faster and messages sent across to be more succinct. Also, it’s best to have some visualisations(in the form of words/pointers) on the video, could be a tad too much talking.
Also, sometimes in your videos, there’s a lot of condescending tone in your voice when you point out other people’s mistake, dont think that’s gonna sell your video.
Lastly, i think there is a need to distinguish if your videos are meant for beginner/intermediate vs advanced tennis players. But of course, 1 might say “must build the correct foundations in your tennis”
But anyways! Your advice is gold definitely.