You can get them at SoundPure for $679 each, or $1339 per pair. The pair comes with a lovely wooden box that holds both mics and clips so when they're stored they encounter the same environmental conditions and will remained closely matched. The single also comes with a clip and woodend storage box. This is shipping included, with zero sales tax unless you happen to reside in the great state of North Carolina
Nice demo. One little remark: the KM184 has NO big boost at 9 kHz, it has a very modest extra presence level between 2 kHz and 20 kHz with a maximum of +2 dB, without resonance. The KM184 is capable to record the beauty of small details, but also the smallest failure. Good value for the money.
@marcobucci Really glad to hear that you liked it, hopefully you purchase the mics from Sound Pure! One starting-point for a great guitar recording is neutral rooms (flat frequency response). That doesn't mean they have to be dead- some life in the room can actually be quite desirable, but it does mean that you don't want particular frequencies popping out, or bass getting boomy or muddy. Hope that helps/makes sense? We are here for you should you have any follow up questions...
Sweet studio. I don't know. I close my eyes and listen. It sounds great to me. Nice tight bottom end. There's plenty of attack. There's plenty of plectrum sound without being distracting. Definitely great sounding mics. Of course it helps to have a great sounding guitar and a great guitarist on top of that.
@JJEFFERY7 Glad to hear it, hope you got the TLM102 from SoundPure! Don't hesitate to run anything by us, we are constantly testing gear (far more than we could ever get into videos!) and always glad to support your recording endeavors.
@nujazzique The purpose of these videos is to isolate the sound so people can hear what the mics are doing. In many cases, we don't mic this way for placing things inside a mix, but if your phase is in check, they sum to mono well, and give you TONS of EQ possibilities for fitting it into the mix. We would typically never try to capture a big room sound if we were going to later put it in the mix. These techniques are most ideal for soloistic passages, or just solo guitar, period.
The shock mounts we're using in this video are Peluso shockmounts. They're quite handy, and work with just about all small diaphragm mics we've got in our mic locker. If you're interested in getting some, just get in touch with us and we'll help you out.
@PeteWojMusic One really nice thing about watching these videos on our website rather than youtube is that each product used to create the video (guitars, mics, preamps, converters, really any part of the chain) is linked to where you can find more info, see videos, read reviews on that particular product (which would also be true of this guitar)...
@Serhio230681 Actually, a slightly different spaced technique also works great with Nylon, more of an angled in A-B technique (even though these are cardioids) if you know what I mean. I would modify the over the shoulder and place that one out front positioned at the bottom of the guitar/bridge. That being said, we normally try (whenever possible) to record classical in some kind of hall, and if that's the case, these actually do well in XY at a little distance to capture some of the room.
Good enough for this garden variety muso !! I like the clarity and detail. Better to capture that at the beginning, rather than trying to add it later.
right now i have a guitarist in the booth with two KM184's and a steel-string guitar. Sounds fantastic through a studer desk. I found the mics used 700 € / pair.
That will all depend on the instrument you're recording, and the sound you're hoping to get from them. 610's have a heavy dose of tube coloring so I would expect to get a very large low end, and a very smooth, rounded sound from that signal path.
@skanerost That's a Goodall. They are truly amazing- made in very small quantities in a very small shop located now in California (the just moved from Hawaii). The quality of these instruments is just amazing... thanks for the very nice comment, and if you have any questions about any of the guitars or recording gear that we are using, please don't hesitate to give us a call or shoot us an e-mail.
Nice! It's hard to find a desk/preamp it doesn't sound good through to be honest, especially on acoustic. And as long as their quality checks out, sounds like a good find! Always gotta be a bit more cautious with used purchases...
@Celticsaint777 It's a good question- a brighter microphone will be tilted with more treble relatively than bass, and therefore may improve what you are getting, but all cardioid mics exhibit proximity effect, and the closer you get to the instrument, the boomier they will be. Try backing away from the guitar some with what you've got, knowing that the 184 will be more detailed, bright, and airy. The Josephson C42 is also great in your situation. Give us a ca;ll we can discuss more!
We hope to do a video featuring the Vintech 609 eventually, but we've got quite a backlog of videos to work through right now. There's a 609 in our studio, and it gets used quite often. It's a great piece, so eventually we'll just HAVE to make a video about it!
Great, great mic. My problem with this demo, that the guy always playing near the bridge, so the sound is very bright, but I prefer playing near the neck which is a more warmer sound, and I really appreciate a demo with that kind of playing, and maybe more strumming for hearing how much plectrum noise cut through. Great video anyway!
@norm100066 Hey Norm, we have had other comments like that as well. There really wasn't any intention of putting these exact clips in a mix, as this is a solo instrument, which can/should be recorded differently than a layered acoustic deep in a mix. We are presenting a much wider stereo image and attempting to get the guitar to really come out. If this was in a dense rock mix, we probably would have recorded it differently. Thanks for the comment!
@viceadmiraal61 Thanks- it really depends on what you are looking for- we like to use the 184's whenever we are looking for a slightly brighter sound, that will sit in the mix well. While less "truthful" than the Schoeps, this is often a flattering choice for guitars that need to sit better in a mix, or in rooms that don't sound good to begin with ... since Schoeps are so accurate and truthful, sometimes the truth can be disappointing. Also, these are half the price of the Schoeps.
@tgnylu Sorry you don't care for Ryan's technique. Honestly, that's his style of playing. Others have made similar comments but many also adore his playing. The mics have top, but not typically harsh- they are known as a world-class guitar mic (a standard, actually) due to their top end presence and smoothness. Generally a well-balanced sound on acoustics. I am afraid what you don't like is our player's style. Thanks for the insightful comment! Let us know if we can help you with gear!
Great video guys. I actually purchased one of these mics partially due to this video. Just a question about rooms. What are the desirable qualities for a room if the intention is to record acoustic guitar?
@soundpurestudios It appears my last reply didn't post. Anyway I was looking at a ADK A6 (or A51 I think) or a CAD M179. I don't mind using a LDC condenser on my guitar because it's not going to be solo, it'll be in a mix but I do want it to be a prevalent sound and fairly accurate to my guitar. At a later date I may get a SDC or a pair of them.
@tgnylu Absolutely, we keep these in stock. The part number is the SKM184 for the stereo kit of KM184 microphones. Have you been to the website? There is a link our website on the video description, and you can just type in "SKM184" when you get there. If you'd prefer, you can always give us a call toll free at 888.528.9703, and we can take your order, or just answer any of your recording and recording gear questions over the telephone.
Hey Todd, how about a video showing the Vintech Compressor? I have seen these things for sale here and there but have never heard anyone using them give a review. I love all of your videos and find them very informative. Thanks!
Don't know... Miktek hasn't sent us any product for evaluation [and we don't add lines at SoundPure until and unless we have evaluated the products!!].
@sverio12345 There are many techniques that can be use to eliminate those types of sonic imperfections, including microphone placement (and mic selection), the use of gates or de-essers, as well as some editing techniques. In the end, these types of sounds can be very natural and organic, but if they reach the point of being distracting/annoying in the music, a more aggressive approach can be required.
@soundpurestudios Thanks. Well I was looking at maybe an ADK A6 or a CAD M179 - or even a Peluso. Maybe at a later stage I'll get a SDC, maybe a Joly moded Octava.
I am considering a KM184 because I'm using Composite Acoustic guitars with strong low end. I'm using Beyerdynamic MC930's right now. My room is a bedroom studio and even though I have a lot of good bass traps I'm still getting too much bass even though I'm using good mic placement. Will a bright mic like the km184 be a good choice for a boomy dreadnaught guitar in a room that is also a little bass heavy??
actually, we have some pretty great sounding results with classical guitar. Also, have you tried X-Y at slightly larger distance? This spaced pair works wonders, but aspects of the room, or phase issues can kill the sound- if you don't know how to correct for this, it can be insurmountable. X-Y is a simple way to get a great sound without much fuss, and they do a pretty good job. Wanna shoot us a message and I can send you sound clip link with these on classical guitar, or recommend others.
@methodinsane Well, we strongly recommend you consider spening a bit more on your gear, that way it will be less disposable. We see it all the time where someone goes through 5 $100 mics, when they could have gotten a Neumann KM184, or a Josephson C42 (for acoustic guitar). While there are some pretty high-priced options these days, there are an increasing number of more affordable items (take a look at the mics from Charter Oak and Peluso, for example), but nothing as cheap as that free one!
@JJEFFERY7 Thanks for saying so. The professionals that are involved in these productions are actually available to answer your calls, questions, and e-mails, and help support your studio in being the best that it can be- please don't hesitate to reach out to us directly. For example, the pros here monitor the e-mail address microphones(at)soundpure(dot)com regularly.
You all really really need to check out MikTech, they are hand made out of Nashville... smoking, I just tried one out about 4 days ago. I think you all will be wanting to contact this dude, and sale these microphones for the fact they are about exact to these Neumann mics... they sale for around 599.00 for a single miktec c5
@soundpurestudios Sounds great no matter what preamp you use. I guess you have a nice room as well of course ;) Unfortunately I'm a lowly old home recorder. I've an SM57 and Beta58 and a crappy Behringer C3 (got it free). I'm only looking to get simple demos together and use the gear as a composition/writing/arrangement tool. I'm looking to replace that Behringer with a decent mic. But it'll have to do vocals as well and be cheapish. This isn't really so.. oh well!
Fantastic sound and fantastic channel! I need good mics and pré amp to record my flamenco guitar. Whats the price of this recording material? All the best for your channel.
Hi Todd, Thanks for the great video. Love the KM184s. Please could you let me know what suspensions you are using with them in the video? I currently use Rycote InVision 8s, which are a little flimsy. Yours look far more robust. Would love to know a make and model. Thanks so much for your tme! Many thanks!
@soundpurestudios Nice thanks for the quick reply, well i was looking at the Goodall Grand concert cutaway, truly a masterpiece only problem i live in Sweden and no one seems to sell them here :( How much is the price of the Goodall Grand Concert cutaway ? And would it be possible to ship to Sweden ?
@anatol1204 Hey, thanks for the critical listen and question... we can definitely steer you in the right direction, as it totally depends on your set of recording circumstances, and we can and will help you navigate the best choice for YOU! If you would like you can call us toll free, 1-888-528-9703, or e-mail sales(at)soundpure(dot)com. We can definitely help you get into the best pair of acoustic guitar mics for your specific needs- get in touch so we can learn more about your situation!
@loborneta Why can't you stand it? What bothers you about those explanations? Can you describe what is happening in the audio in a better way? We welcome any input that you can provide about how we can make these videos better- we continue to strive to make them the absolute best that they can be, and welcome any constructive criticism. Thanks for the comment.
@TheoPeppers ...a recording chain is only as strong as its weakest link... hopefully the player isn't the weakest link in the chain because if the player is the weakest link - no other recording equipment in the world will make the performance shine. If the player is excellent, then the recording equipment you use should do everything possible to capture that superior performance!! [long way of saying "yeah - he's pretty awesome"]
When I recorded one of my songs with acoustic guitar. I had the problem of holding my breath when I was playing solo and then when breathing out, it could be heard on the track. Also I pressed the guitar too hard on my jeans with the right arm and that could be heard too...
Yeah, they should do a tutorial and how to hold your breath through the whole performance and how to prevent yourself from accidental noise, including denim choice and how that could potentially suppress the noise a bit better…..
@loborneta It is certainly much easier to compare three microphones together and discuss how they sound different, than it is to describe using words a single microphones. I'm sure that we will be able to help you in choosing among a number of great alternatives and finding the best possible one that falls within your budget. If you shoot us an e-mail or give us a call, we can help quite easily. Despite the similarities among many SDC's if we know what sound you are looking for, we can narrow!
It's really a little bit of everything. The best mics most likely had more time/money put into R&D to arrive at the best possible design using quality components. In most cases the components themselves will increase in cost depending on the quality as well as the quality of the soldering/assembly job. Feel free to get a hold of me directly if you have any more specific questions about this. Travis(at)soundpure(dot)com
Hi tweed guitar! We'd be happy to send high res files your way! Just shoot us an email at proaudio(at)soundpure.com and give the title and date of the video. We might have other good stuff to send you on the KM184. Just let us know what you're looking for.
pretty good representation of the zing of these mics on a guitar. Nylon string would have been a more useful comparison than triple digit preamps. Or Eq. But then we'd need a Hammer and a Manley....so go with a 200$ classical if you're a bit short til payday
@videobenji ...as long as the floor is spotlessly clean [which it is at all times] and nobody steps on them - no problem. There is a microphone placement technique called "boundary mic'ing" where the microphones are placed on the floor intentionally. Its a great technique as you can really capture the sound of an instrument in a room exceptionally well with this technique. Please feel free to call us at 888-528-9703 for a detailed description of the "boundary microphone" technique
@CobraGuitarra Thanks, we are here to help! We used a couple different recording paths (preamps) but with mics/pres combined most options were around $3K and up. But you can certainly do very nice things for less as well. Of course you would also need a converter or computer interface. We can help you with all the pieces of this puzzle, so please don't hesitate to give us a call anytime, +1-919-682-5552, or e-mail sales(at)soundpure(dot)com. We'd love to assist you in your upgrade.
@skanerost Did anyone ever get back to you? We can ship one to you in Sweden, and if we don't have exactly what you are looking for in the shop, we can work on a custom order for you (you would simply pay a small deposit up front, and then the balance when the instrument is ready). Let us know!
Without a shadow of a doubt..these top end microphones produce top end sound.....at a top end price. The thing is I think most of us audio recording fanatics are a bit jaded. Musics for the most are not going hear the difference between an acoustic guitar recorded with these as oppose to something much cheaper. I think the money we spend on all this expensive gear is misguided to the joy of companies like Neumann. The $1000's we spend for the very excremental differences in sound that nobody is going to hear is kind of ridiculous.
You're right... in a way. Most people listen to music on crappy gear like earbuds or laptop speakers so there's no way they can tell the difference. On the other hand, as an artist (be it a musician or studio engineer) how long do you think you can cope with making bad quality music just because other people won't really hear the difference and you can save money in the process, before it starts to get depressing? You have to at least satisfied with your work (I didn't wanna say proud) to continue doing it "on the right level" :D
@methodinsane We use several different pres over the course of the video, each of which are discussed/outlined in the different segments. I believe we utilize an A Designs Pacifica, an Anthony Demaria ADL600 (made by Presonus). If you are curious about preamps, and pairing them with mics, we are here to help. We continue to conduct some of the most elaborate mic/preamp pairing tests in the industry, and are glad to displel this knowledge. E-mail us at preamps@soundpure(dot)com
@Serhio230681 @Serhio230681 @Serhio230681 I agree 100%. I achieved good results with similar mic technique. I had no phasing issues with this way. However, trying to fit a nylon string guitar played fingerstyle in a mix later on... not easy at all. The other video with the super-duper expensive Busarino -- good luck w/ making THAT sound work in the mix. How about you make a video of tracking nylon string and then do a mixing vid with the same tracks?
@soundpurestudios actualy i am getting a used one. :/ but i am also looking to upgrade to an 8 track interface cuz mine now has only 2. if you could direct me to one i would be most greatful! :)
@soundpurestudios weel i dont konw. im not an expert like you guys. i have watched alot of your videos and they all seam to have the same-ish description for the gear which sends a message to people like me (who dont have access to that kind of gear but plan on buying something) that everything is a perfect solution. Dont get me wrong, i really like what you are doing and it is very helpful but the "description" part needs a little work. But then again im just a little guy... ;) cheers
Great video, great sound!!! BUT, what if we take a classical guitar in the same position? Guess what? NOTHING! Great mics, really great, but steel intstrument it's not the same with nylon... THAT's reeeally difficult to record.... I hope to see: "how put those AMAZING Mics to record NYLON.."
@loborneta In all likelihood there are subtle differences between a lot of the things you might be looking at and therefore the descriptions very well may sound similar. For example, looking at high-end acoustic guitar microphones there are a number of very desirable sound qualities that they all share. However, if you are comparing several directly, or need help on the best solution for your budget, we can help, just shoot us an e-mail sales(at)soundpure(dot)com or call toll free 888-528-9703
@JJEFFERY7 We just took a TLM102 in on trade- used but with warranty. Give us a ring, or e-mail us at microphones(at)soundpure(dot)com, and let us know you are interested in the used TLM102. We can always help you bundle a fine audio interface with the microphone, and hook you up with a great deal on the package. Plus, then you have all of our support and our advice at your disposal as one of our customers- how can you beat that!?
@methodinsane We can definitely help, although admittedly, we don't focus our attention on low-budget gear. There is so much of it, and we have yet to find really inexpensive pieces that can deliver top-level pro studio results. We can probably help you out a lot, but that budget is going to be difficult... best of luck on your musical pursuits, and if we aren't able to help you on this one, maybe the next time around. You can reach one of our mic experts at mics@soundpure(dot)com
You can get them at SoundPure for $679 each, or $1339 per pair. The pair comes with a lovely wooden box that holds both mics and clips so when they're stored they encounter the same environmental conditions and will remained closely matched. The single also comes with a clip and woodend storage box. This is shipping included, with zero sales tax unless you happen to reside in the great state of North Carolina
Nice demo. One little remark: the KM184 has NO big boost at 9 kHz, it has a very modest extra presence level between 2 kHz and 20 kHz with a maximum of +2 dB, without resonance. The KM184 is capable to record the beauty of small details, but also the smallest failure. Good value for the money.
Sounds great 👍
i love your videos, because i feel like i learn more than any other video up here
@marcobucci Really glad to hear that you liked it, hopefully you purchase the mics from Sound Pure! One starting-point for a great guitar recording is neutral rooms (flat frequency response). That doesn't mean they have to be dead- some life in the room can actually be quite desirable, but it does mean that you don't want particular frequencies popping out, or bass getting boomy or muddy. Hope that helps/makes sense? We are here for you should you have any follow up questions...
Yep!.. This is the exactly what I was wanting to hear. Everyone records rock and roll... this will be my next purchase.
Sweet studio. I don't know. I close my eyes and listen. It sounds great to me. Nice tight bottom end. There's plenty of attack. There's plenty of plectrum sound without being distracting. Definitely great sounding mics. Of course it helps to have a great sounding guitar and a great guitarist on top of that.
@JJEFFERY7 Glad to hear it, hope you got the TLM102 from SoundPure! Don't hesitate to run anything by us, we are constantly testing gear (far more than we could ever get into videos!) and always glad to support your recording endeavors.
@nujazzique The purpose of these videos is to isolate the sound so people can hear what the mics are doing. In many cases, we don't mic this way for placing things inside a mix, but if your phase is in check, they sum to mono well, and give you TONS of EQ possibilities for fitting it into the mix. We would typically never try to capture a big room sound if we were going to later put it in the mix. These techniques are most ideal for soloistic passages, or just solo guitar, period.
@soundpurestudios thank you! your videos helped me deside what i wanted, your "review" on the Neumann TLM 102 was amazing. so i bought it :)
@soundpurestudios Its actually a Santa Cruz. Very clear on the headstock.
The shock mounts we're using in this video are Peluso shockmounts. They're quite handy, and work with just about all small diaphragm mics we've got in our mic locker. If you're interested in getting some, just get in touch with us and we'll help you out.
@PeteWojMusic One really nice thing about watching these videos on our website rather than youtube is that each product used to create the video (guitars, mics, preamps, converters, really any part of the chain) is linked to where you can find more info, see videos, read reviews on that particular product (which would also be true of this guitar)...
This mics sound amazing.
@Serhio230681 Actually, a slightly different spaced technique also works great with Nylon, more of an angled in A-B technique (even though these are cardioids) if you know what I mean. I would modify the over the shoulder and place that one out front positioned at the bottom of the guitar/bridge. That being said, we normally try (whenever possible) to record classical in some kind of hall, and if that's the case, these actually do well in XY at a little distance to capture some of the room.
Good enough for this garden variety muso !! I like the clarity and detail. Better to capture that at the beginning, rather than trying to add it later.
right now i have a guitarist in the booth with two KM184's and a steel-string guitar. Sounds fantastic through a studer desk. I found the mics used 700 € / pair.
That will all depend on the instrument you're recording, and the sound you're hoping to get from them. 610's have a heavy dose of tube coloring so I would expect to get a very large low end, and a very smooth, rounded sound from that signal path.
@skanerost That's a Goodall. They are truly amazing- made in very small quantities in a very small shop located now in California (the just moved from Hawaii). The quality of these instruments is just amazing... thanks for the very nice comment, and if you have any questions about any of the guitars or recording gear that we are using, please don't hesitate to give us a call or shoot us an e-mail.
I really enjoyed your work on Firefly!
Nice! It's hard to find a desk/preamp it doesn't sound good through to be honest, especially on acoustic. And as long as their quality checks out, sounds like a good find! Always gotta be a bit more cautious with used purchases...
@Celticsaint777 It's a good question- a brighter microphone will be tilted with more treble relatively than bass, and therefore may improve what you are getting, but all cardioid mics exhibit proximity effect, and the closer you get to the instrument, the boomier they will be. Try backing away from the guitar some with what you've got, knowing that the 184 will be more detailed, bright, and airy. The Josephson C42 is also great in your situation. Give us a ca;ll we can discuss more!
We hope to do a video featuring the Vintech 609 eventually, but we've got quite a backlog of videos to work through right now. There's a 609 in our studio, and it gets used quite often. It's a great piece, so eventually we'll just HAVE to make a video about it!
Great, great mic. My problem with this demo, that the guy always playing near the bridge, so the sound is very bright, but I prefer playing near the neck which is a more warmer sound, and I really appreciate a demo with that kind of playing, and maybe more strumming for hearing how much plectrum noise cut through. Great video anyway!
@norm100066 Hey Norm, we have had other comments like that as well. There really wasn't any intention of putting these exact clips in a mix, as this is a solo instrument, which can/should be recorded differently than a layered acoustic deep in a mix. We are presenting a much wider stereo image and attempting to get the guitar to really come out. If this was in a dense rock mix, we probably would have recorded it differently. Thanks for the comment!
@viceadmiraal61 Thanks- it really depends on what you are looking for- we like to use the 184's whenever we are looking for a slightly brighter sound, that will sit in the mix well. While less "truthful" than the Schoeps, this is often a flattering choice for guitars that need to sit better in a mix, or in rooms that don't sound good to begin with ... since Schoeps are so accurate and truthful, sometimes the truth can be disappointing. Also, these are half the price of the Schoeps.
The sound is really good and clear even though i don't play acoustic guitar.
Man that sounds like butter
@tgnylu Sorry you don't care for Ryan's technique. Honestly, that's his style of playing. Others have made similar comments but many also adore his playing. The mics have top, but not typically harsh- they are known as a world-class guitar mic (a standard, actually) due to their top end presence and smoothness. Generally a well-balanced sound on acoustics. I am afraid what you don't like is our player's style. Thanks for the insightful comment! Let us know if we can help you with gear!
Great video guys. I actually purchased one of these mics partially due to this video. Just a question about rooms. What are the desirable qualities for a room if the intention is to record acoustic guitar?
@soundpurestudios It appears my last reply didn't post. Anyway I was looking at a ADK A6 (or A51 I think) or a CAD M179. I don't mind using a LDC condenser on my guitar because it's not going to be solo, it'll be in a mix but I do want it to be a prevalent sound and fairly accurate to my guitar. At a later date I may get a SDC or a pair of them.
Great playing!
@tgnylu Absolutely, we keep these in stock. The part number is the SKM184 for the stereo kit of KM184 microphones. Have you been to the website? There is a link our website on the video description, and you can just type in "SKM184" when you get there. If you'd prefer, you can always give us a call toll free at 888.528.9703, and we can take your order, or just answer any of your recording and recording gear questions over the telephone.
Amazing quality !
Hey Todd, how about a video showing the Vintech Compressor? I have seen these things for sale here and there but have never heard anyone using them give a review. I love all of your videos and find them very informative.
Thanks!
@PeteWojMusic Ahhh, there are multiple guitars used throughout the video.
Don't know... Miktek hasn't sent us any product for evaluation [and we don't add lines at SoundPure until and unless we have evaluated the products!!].
@sverio12345 There are many techniques that can be use to eliminate those types of sonic imperfections, including microphone placement (and mic selection), the use of gates or de-essers, as well as some editing techniques. In the end, these types of sounds can be very natural and organic, but if they reach the point of being distracting/annoying in the music, a more aggressive approach can be required.
@soundpurestudios Thanks. Well I was looking at maybe an ADK A6 or a CAD M179 - or even a Peluso. Maybe at a later stage I'll get a SDC, maybe a Joly moded Octava.
I use TLM 102 for recording clarinet and I wonder if should I upgrade to TLM 103 or KM184 or just continue with my TLM 102..
I am considering a KM184 because I'm using Composite Acoustic guitars with strong low end. I'm using Beyerdynamic MC930's right now. My room is a bedroom studio and even though I have a lot of good bass traps I'm still getting too much bass even though I'm using good mic placement. Will a bright mic like the km184 be a good choice for a boomy dreadnaught guitar in a room that is also a little bass heavy??
actually, we have some pretty great sounding results with classical guitar. Also, have you tried X-Y at slightly larger distance? This spaced pair works wonders, but aspects of the room, or phase issues can kill the sound- if you don't know how to correct for this, it can be insurmountable. X-Y is a simple way to get a great sound without much fuss, and they do a pretty good job. Wanna shoot us a message and I can send you sound clip link with these on classical guitar, or recommend others.
I know this is old, but why would you not set up the mics to conventional positioning. It's a demonstration!?
I am looking for this Shock mount for Km184.
@methodinsane Well, we strongly recommend you consider spening a bit more on your gear, that way it will be less disposable. We see it all the time where someone goes through 5 $100 mics, when they could have gotten a Neumann KM184, or a Josephson C42 (for acoustic guitar). While there are some pretty high-priced options these days, there are an increasing number of more affordable items (take a look at the mics from Charter Oak and Peluso, for example), but nothing as cheap as that free one!
Great micro but what kind of strigs are you playing? thanks and happy Christmas .
@JJEFFERY7 Thanks for saying so. The professionals that are involved in these productions are actually available to answer your calls, questions, and e-mails, and help support your studio in being the best that it can be- please don't hesitate to reach out to us directly. For example, the pros here monitor the e-mail address microphones(at)soundpure(dot)com regularly.
@soundpurestudios Just to clarify I was referring to the guitar in the opening segment.
@intermediate007 Thanks for saying so!
What brand is that nice looking guitar ?
Nice video btw!
Im talking about the one with the "G" and wings is what it looks to me!
You all really really need to check out MikTech, they are hand made out of Nashville... smoking, I just tried one out about 4 days ago. I think you all will be wanting to contact this dude, and sale these microphones for the fact they are about exact to these Neumann mics... they sale for around 599.00 for a single miktec c5
@soundpurestudios Sounds great no matter what preamp you use. I guess you have a nice room as well of course ;) Unfortunately I'm a lowly old home recorder. I've an SM57 and Beta58 and a crappy Behringer C3 (got it free). I'm only looking to get simple demos together and use the gear as a composition/writing/arrangement tool. I'm looking to replace that Behringer with a decent mic. But it'll have to do vocals as well and be cheapish. This isn't really so.. oh well!
Fantastic sound and fantastic channel! I need good mics and pré amp to record my flamenco guitar. Whats the price of this recording material? All the best for your channel.
Hi Todd,
Thanks for the great video. Love the KM184s. Please could you let me know what suspensions you are using with them in the video? I currently use Rycote InVision 8s, which are a little flimsy. Yours look far more robust. Would love to know a make and model.
Thanks so much for your tme!
Many thanks!
@soundpurestudios Nice thanks for the quick reply, well i was looking at the Goodall Grand concert cutaway, truly a masterpiece only problem i live in Sweden and no one seems to sell them here :(
How much is the price of the Goodall Grand Concert cutaway ? And would it be possible to ship to Sweden ?
What brand is that nice looking guitar ?
Nice video btw!
Thanks!
how can i get a free pair?
@anatol1204 Hey, thanks for the critical listen and question... we can definitely steer you in the right direction, as it totally depends on your set of recording circumstances, and we can and will help you navigate the best choice for YOU! If you would like you can call us toll free, 1-888-528-9703, or e-mail sales(at)soundpure(dot)com. We can definitely help you get into the best pair of acoustic guitar mics for your specific needs- get in touch so we can learn more about your situation!
@loborneta Why can't you stand it? What bothers you about those explanations? Can you describe what is happening in the audio in a better way? We welcome any input that you can provide about how we can make these videos better- we continue to strive to make them the absolute best that they can be, and welcome any constructive criticism. Thanks for the comment.
@TheoPeppers ...a recording chain is only as strong as its weakest link... hopefully the player isn't the weakest link in the chain because if the player is the weakest link - no other recording equipment in the world will make the performance shine. If the player is excellent, then the recording equipment you use should do everything possible to capture that superior performance!! [long way of saying "yeah - he's pretty awesome"]
great guitarist
When I recorded one of my songs with acoustic guitar. I had the problem of holding my breath when I was playing solo and then when breathing out, it could be heard on the track. Also I pressed the guitar too hard on my jeans with the right arm and that could be heard too...
Yeah, they should do a tutorial and how to hold your breath through the whole performance and how to prevent yourself from accidental noise, including denim choice and how that could potentially suppress the noise a bit better…..
killer player man !!! :D
Sounds great and thanks for your help~ How do you like the Shure SM81? Just bought one but havent taken it out of the box yet.
@loborneta It is certainly much easier to compare three microphones together and discuss how they sound different, than it is to describe using words a single microphones. I'm sure that we will be able to help you in choosing among a number of great alternatives and finding the best possible one that falls within your budget. If you shoot us an e-mail or give us a call, we can help quite easily. Despite the similarities among many SDC's if we know what sound you are looking for, we can narrow!
Neumann KM184 + Neve 1073 * - *
I want to try that :D
It's really a little bit of everything. The best mics most likely had more time/money put into R&D to arrive at the best possible design using quality components. In most cases the components themselves will increase in cost depending on the quality as well as the quality of the soldering/assembly job. Feel free to get a hold of me directly if you have any more specific questions about this. Travis(at)soundpure(dot)com
Am I wrong? Are you using Chinese cables for the test?
Indeed it be...
Have you some high rez files of the KM184 stereo pair ? Do you also sell the shock mounts used in this demo ? ( perfect for the nickel pair ) ta
Hi tweed guitar! We'd be happy to send high res files your way! Just shoot us an email at proaudio(at)soundpure.com and give the title and date of the video. We might have other good stuff to send you on the KM184. Just let us know what you're looking for.
thankyou.
pretty good representation of the zing of these mics on a guitar. Nylon string would have been a more useful comparison than triple digit preamps. Or Eq. But then we'd need a Hammer and a Manley....so go with a 200$ classical if you're a bit short til payday
Would a pair of UAD 610s go nice along with these mics?
What pre are you using here?
@videobenji ...as long as the floor is spotlessly clean [which it is at all times] and nobody steps on them - no problem. There is a microphone placement technique called "boundary mic'ing" where the microphones are placed on the floor intentionally. Its a great technique as you can really capture the sound of an instrument in a room exceptionally well with this technique. Please feel free to call us at 888-528-9703 for a detailed description of the "boundary microphone" technique
Very informative. Thanks - what shock mounts are you using with the KM 184?
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what's this guys name? looking to reference him in an essay.
@CobraGuitarra Thanks, we are here to help! We used a couple different recording paths (preamps) but with mics/pres combined most options were around $3K and up. But you can certainly do very nice things for less as well. Of course you would also need a converter or computer interface. We can help you with all the pieces of this puzzle, so please don't hesitate to give us a call anytime, +1-919-682-5552, or e-mail sales(at)soundpure(dot)com. We'd love to assist you in your upgrade.
@skanerost Did anyone ever get back to you? We can ship one to you in Sweden, and if we don't have exactly what you are looking for in the shop, we can work on a custom order for you (you would simply pay a small deposit up front, and then the balance when the instrument is ready). Let us know!
how do you think the miktek c5's compare to these?
Without a shadow of a doubt..these top end microphones produce top end sound.....at a top end price. The thing is I think most of us audio recording fanatics are a bit jaded. Musics for the most are not going hear the difference between an acoustic guitar recorded with these as oppose to something much cheaper. I think the money we spend on all this expensive gear is misguided to the joy of companies like Neumann. The $1000's we spend for the very excremental differences in sound that nobody is going to hear is kind of ridiculous.
You're right... in a way. Most people listen to music on crappy gear like earbuds or laptop speakers so there's no way they can tell the difference. On the other hand, as an artist (be it a musician or studio engineer) how long do you think you can cope with making bad quality music just because other people won't really hear the difference and you can save money in the process, before it starts to get depressing? You have to at least satisfied with your work (I didn't wanna say proud) to continue doing it "on the right level" :D
I feel like they won't be able to articulate it but have grown to prefer the sound, so it's more intuitive than intellectual.
excremental :) :)
is it still this price?
I'm very very interesting to buy this mic (stereo set). Ship to NYC...
looking for a lowest price...
@methodinsane We use several different pres over the course of the video, each of which are discussed/outlined in the different segments. I believe we utilize an A Designs Pacifica, an Anthony Demaria ADL600 (made by Presonus). If you are curious about preamps, and pairing them with mics, we are here to help. We continue to conduct some of the most elaborate mic/preamp pairing tests in the industry, and are glad to displel this knowledge. E-mail us at preamps@soundpure(dot)com
Nice video! Which preamp would you suggest to go with this?
Hi Stuart! Shoot us an email at proaudio(at)soundpure.com and we can give you some recommendations. If you prefer to call: (919) 682-5552.
km 184 or earthworks????
@Serhio230681 @Serhio230681 @Serhio230681 I agree 100%. I achieved good results with similar mic technique. I had no phasing issues with this way. However, trying to fit a nylon string guitar played fingerstyle in a mix later on... not easy at all. The other video with the super-duper expensive Busarino -- good luck w/ making THAT sound work in the mix. How about you make a video of tracking nylon string and then do a mixing vid with the same tracks?
@soundpurestudios actualy i am getting a used one. :/ but i am also looking to upgrade to an 8 track interface cuz mine now has only 2. if you could direct me to one i would be most greatful! :)
argh - I need to find who the guitarist for these vids are!! Does anyone know?
guitar make and model? :)
chickin' pickin' seems to be the only guitar style available to demo these mics, oh well
@soundpurestudios weel i dont konw. im not an expert like you guys. i have watched alot of your videos and they all seam to have the same-ish description for the gear which sends a message to people like me (who dont have access to that kind of gear but plan on buying something) that everything is a perfect solution. Dont get me wrong, i really like what you are doing and it is very helpful but the "description" part needs a little work. But then again im just a little guy... ;)
cheers
Great video, great sound!!! BUT, what if we take a classical guitar in the same position? Guess what? NOTHING!
Great mics, really great, but steel intstrument it's not the same with nylon... THAT's reeeally difficult to record.... I hope to see: "how put those AMAZING Mics to record NYLON.."
@cypherdrone You can call us right now at 919-682-5552. We have Neumann shockmounts, as well as compatible alternatives,
@loborneta In all likelihood there are subtle differences between a lot of the things you might be looking at and therefore the descriptions very well may sound similar. For example, looking at high-end acoustic guitar microphones there are a number of very desirable sound qualities that they all share. However, if you are comparing several directly, or need help on the best solution for your budget, we can help, just shoot us an e-mail sales(at)soundpure(dot)com or call toll free 888-528-9703
i'm assuming it's a cedar top guitar. i don't like its sound though
@JJEFFERY7 We just took a TLM102 in on trade- used but with warranty. Give us a ring, or e-mail us at microphones(at)soundpure(dot)com, and let us know you are interested in the used TLM102. We can always help you bundle a fine audio interface with the microphone, and hook you up with a great deal on the package. Plus, then you have all of our support and our advice at your disposal as one of our customers- how can you beat that!?
@methodinsane We can definitely help, although admittedly, we don't focus our attention on low-budget gear. There is so much of it, and we have yet to find really inexpensive pieces that can deliver top-level pro studio results. We can probably help you out a lot, but that budget is going to be difficult... best of luck on your musical pursuits, and if we aren't able to help you on this one, maybe the next time around. You can reach one of our mic experts at mics@soundpure(dot)com
@soundpurestudios i dont know if you can! thank you!
Email SENT! :)
If they're willing to toss in a free wooden box, make'em squirm and add a pair of Crown Royal bags.
lmfao
vintage km "84" is the standard not the 184... don't lie to people