RENAULT'S SIMPLE BUT GENIUS HACK! The Story of the Mass Dampers (2005-2006)
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- Опубликовано: 1 фев 2022
- In 2005, along with the tyre rules, came the higher front wings to reduce downforce, resulting in cars having to run stiffer at the front end. But because of the stiffer suspension, cars couldn't lob it in over kerbs anymore. Renault noticed this, and decided to fix it.
So they added a weight attached to a couple of springs into the nose cone, and found themselves some performance.
So what was it, and how did it get banned? There's two reasons why. One real, one probably made up. Still fun though.
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While watching the 2006 Hungarian GP at uni - which was of course run in the wet - my housemate noticed I had this weird smirk on my face and asked me what was up. I warned, "You're going to hate me..." but he insisted I say it. So I did:
"Renault have lost their mass dampers, but Ferrari have gained a damp Massa."
He kicked me out.
Then Button won 🤣
I know you're an F1 guy Aidan but I'd love to see something on the FIA GT saga in the 90s (Bernies mucking about and it's eventual end)
Motorsports as a whole is welcome tbh.
Especially during the off seasons.
I did some GT Stuff a few months ago.
@@AidanMillward should've said "mostly an F1 guy that covers all motorsport" 😅
@@speedymouse2859 all motorsports are welcome, and all related stories gratefully received, eh?
@@y_fam_goeglyd wasn't meant to look like I was slagging off F1 stories, it's interesting as hell on the technical side, was asking in addition to not instead of
Thanks Aiden. For the first time I've seen, someone has actually explained how the mass damper could fall under the classification of 'aerodynamic device'. It's been bugging me since it was banned, as it was entirely internal, it made no sense to me. The highlight of Article 3.15 in particular has cleared it up for me.
And I always love a good shady Briatore story 😅
I was about to post the same thing .
Bristore slimy? Say it isn't so....
A shady Briatore story, is there another kind?
07:51 2006 Hungarian GP: there was an accident some laps after the start, involving a Renault. When the marshalls cleared the track, and one of them was carrying the nose cone in his hand, it was visible how heavy that nose cone is.
Engines also had to last 2 consecutive Grand Prixes, BAR parked their cars in Australia and got in trouble for it.
Mass damper, DAS, McLaren extra pedal, fan car, F duckt. Great inventions, some get banned when discovered, some after some time. But imagine the monster with all kind of cheeky inventions put in one. Maybe not the fan as it's overpowering to the others.
Tyrell P34 six wheeler.😎
According to the Article 3.15 of the rulebook, an engine is an aerodynamic device.
This explained a lot why the mass damper has been banned, I never really understood the official motive. I really like those controversies videos, thank you !
i love watching these videos, pretty much always start with some knowledge of the situation and leave with a bunch more! keep at it!
If Briatore told me it was dark at night, I'd still go out and check
Hey bud, just want you to know that I'm a huge fan here from the U.S. Really dig your stuff. Love your insights and commentary. Love you going out on a limb to cover the U.S. open wheel series/debacle. Just a big fan. Keep up the great work!
You are the MAN Aidan! I just love all your stuff, especially this kind of technical; historical; technical development; rule bending; political maneuvering; backstory intrigue …. Brings back the good old days memories. Thanks so much for not only bringing this type of content to all your fans but doing it in such a entertaining way, even with one hand tied behind your back (damn those restrictive bastards).
I knew about most teams using the mass dampers but I didn't know why it was banned. Good video Aidan, I appreciate your knowledge.
Great video as ever, Aidan. I remember the hoo haa about this when it happened, and though I just couldn't be a Renault fan (for "leading" Italian rather than Spanish reasons, if you catch my drift), I do remember thinking that the rumours that were out - which in the early days of the internet, especially social media (I think I had a blog at the time, and ran some lists on Yahoo...) weren't as easily fuelled as they are now - were describing a very clever bit of kit. I couldn't help but doff my imaginary cap to the engineers.
Much as I despise out-and-out cheating, I love new "solutions".
That possible Briatore comment - IMHO, it's distinctly possible to the point where we're heading into probability territory. That's exactly the sort of thing he'd say. He's more money driven than Bernie!
Calling a stabilizer that is not to any degree at all in the airflow “movable aero” is quite a stretch. The exposed suspension arms themselves are unquestionably movable aero by comparison and nobody would dream of outlawing them.
Brilliant stuff as always Aidan!!
Hello Aidan: Thank you for these stories. I always really like them.
I enjoyed watching this video. It, like all the videos from this channel, was a good video (if a little disappointingly short). Nice one Aidan ;)
Even though I knew all about this, it's still great to watch Aidan discuss it!
Thank you for the explanation of the regulations from back then. There was a lot of argument back on the FormulaPod forums back then about what constituted "movable aerodynamic elements" and I know I was one of the ones guilty of overlooking the rules.
Would be interesting to see a retrospective of banned F1 innovations from over the years. Everything from the 6-wheeled Tyrell, to the X-wings, F-duct, and blown defuser.
Well presented, keep them coming!
i enjoyed the video and learnt something new here today. actually i knew what the mass damper was but i just loved the 2005 renault and fernando.
That was a great story ams although I've heard the story before you really found something new. I really felt like I learned something new from this video!
yes very good breakdown of the mass damper system and its use in the 2005-2006 season.
...i enjoyed the video and learned something new...
good that you are dropping these like busy owl pellets
I enjoyed the video and/or learned something new here today!
Informative as always!
i enjoyed this video and learned something new here today
When you hear stories of the super touring era, it tends to be described as money spending just went crazy, but you rarely hear details of just where that money went, so that part itself is fascinating. I've heard in the past that £120,000 is the starting point for a BTCC car, so the idea that they were spending £500,000 on them is truly nuts. I think the John Motson Trophy for absolutely endless information not in the standard public domain should be extended to motorsport and awarded to Aidan. We do learn something new in every edition. Nothing ever said about Flavio Briatori is ever a surprise 🤣
Matt Neal offered himself to Nissan for a factory drive in 1999 for free.
Nissan said no and signed Laurent Aiello for 750 grand.
@@AidanMillward I had heard rumours that F1 Technology was freely used in the Renault Lagunas, but it was hard to see where. They were on a different planet though, it's a shame they didn't find the middle ground. I still love BTCC but it just doesn't have the sting of those times.
Finally, catastrofuck is back.
Loving 2022 content mate
Here is my algophilic comment to say thanks! I always wondered what the mass damper was but never got around to looking it up!
Loved the video! Having a simple graphic that shows the mechanism would've made it even better! Don't know if you make a lot of technical videos so it might not be worth it, but it would be cool to show the graphic while going over the theory of operation.
But I'm just a huge engineering nerd and it might not add any value to others. Subscribed!
New to the channel. Subbed. Great vid bud
Lol that Briatore thing is hilarious!
Never heard that before
I enjoyed the video and learnt something new as a result of this video.
Love the new intro Aidan
Well done AM, You found yourself a new subscriber.
good job, nice explanation!
I enjoyed the video and learned something new today
Great video! Thank you
The mass damper was inspired by a similar large scale device installed into the Petronas Towers. A large suspended weight at the top of the building designed to counter and stabilise each tower in high winds. Similar devices can be found on modern cruise ships.
Great video! I hope that Briatore part at the end is true :D
awesome video
great video!
Great, thanks for explaining this
you do goodwork, Aidan
Keep up the commentary. Good content bud.
Great video. I love this topic, the mass dampers were a bit of engineering genius. I wish they’d stayed in F1
Don't ever doubt Flavio briatore that man is it true legend . That man had some of the finest birds and never had to pay for them
I enjoyed the video or learned something new here today.
What a wonderfully educational and enjoyable video. Thank you Aidan
Remember the Brabham fan car?
The same guy who worked on it opened his own car company, and revealed the T50, a hypercar that has a rear fan for keeping the car sucked to the ground.
That would be His Mechanical Majesty Gordon Murray, peace be upon Him.
Worked on? He designed it
Dammit I was about to sleep but the notification made my shorts a bit tight. Yes I love little technical details like the mass damper
A suggestion for a video is a timeline of things that were developed that gained an advantage and then the FIA squashed them. Obviously the mass dampers, fan car and third pedal be among them. It would also be nice to see what effect it had on team performances/placing during the time before they got banned.
Cool video Aidan.
I liked how the clip followed the rules of spacetime
More top notch explaining of things, about things
had to like the vid for "that word" being back
I really enjoyed this extremely educational and informative video. My brain has been, by the content of this video, educated to the point that my entire life has now been fulfilled.
Another excuse to watch an old F1 race. 😀👍
Right on.
Who would win:
The Juggernaut Ferrari brain trust of Byrne, Brawn, Todt, and Schumacher
or
One springy boi
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Ahem. I'll get my coat.
All hail the return of the catastrofuck.
That was a brilliant idea and it's surprising F1 teams hadn't touched it since almost an entire century of the concept being established.
Flavio: "you need to buy them we own them"
Unknown Team Principal: "ok who wants to ban them say Aye"
Other Team Principals: "Aye"
Flavio: "oh Jesus Christ"
I can see the safety point remembering Justin Wilsons deadly accident
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Can we have some V8SC content.
The absolute pinnacle of tin top racing.
Always great vids Aiden cheers mate, youtube is mad though, this is clearly 'fair use' for the purposes of education, i thought that was a accepted scenario, you know far more than me though. thanks again.
The 05 / 06 Renault has to be my favourite modern F1 colour scheme .. BTW It's good to see that Danger Mouse wasn't the death knell of Penfold's Career!
Loved the video and I learned a thing.
Will that do? Cheque is in the post I assume?
I wouldn't be surprised if someone has been able to make a different mass damper solution that's part of the suspension.
I enjoyed and learned sth. new!
THANK YOU for not saying DAMPENER 🙌
I would love to get an actual picture of the unit, as well as an accurate cutaway picture of it.
Erm...I learned something new today .
Is that OK Adrian...what you told us to say 🖒🖒😉😉
It was probably Hartley. I swear he got launched into the lithosphere about 4 times that season and it felt like none of them were actually his fault.
Also they have a point about the weight being dangerous. Imagine if a crash like Kubica's happened and he had one in the nose.
I love story time so much
Im so curious on the tech BTCC had in the 1990s now.
An algorithm friendly comment saying that I enjoyed the video or learned something new
Way too fishy at the time for me. Renault and Alonso were the leaders, and suddenly after this device was banned, hey presto, Ferrari and Schumacher were dominating races like they used to and suddenly title no. 8 seemed nailed on. Is it any wonder that the long held Internet story was that this was the tyre battle of '03 once more. Ferrari International Assistance yet again. Ferrari weren't getting performance from this, Schumacher was going to lose, so ta-da! Banned.
I did not know there was work going on to put it at the back, so you'll be pleased to hear that... I learned something. That suddenly makes it a lot easier to accept, as the safety argument about a flying spring makes my eye twitch with memories of what happened with a certain heave spring in Hungary three years later. Almost as if the FIA saw it coming, though not really, if that makes any sense. Moving springs of that form to the rear suspension would have been asking for that to happen every race.
Hadn't heard that 'other' story before, either. Sounds like 'billhooks' to me, but then again it's Briatore and we know what a Richard Cranium he can be, so... Yeah I can see why it seems plausible.
Actually it was McLaren who protested the system. Briatore has said that.
Great video Aidan. What is that BTCC mod you have running in the background?
I always assumed an aerodynamic device was something that comes in contact with and interacts with the air as the car travels through it, but it sounds like the FIA already had verbiage in their rules that would've made the mass damper illegal from the start.
My prayers were answered, can't believe I didn't spot this for 10 hours
I enjoyed this video …
Algorhyming my appreciation
To this day that justification re: moveable aerodynamic influence just doesn't hold water. It is entirely internal to the car, doesn't touch airflow anywhere, doesn't alter the attitude or shape of any aerodynamic device, etc. Its purpose was to stabilize the contact patch of the tires/tyres when driving over the curbs/kerbs. By that kind of twisted logic, nearly any part of the car could be in violation of that regulation. The pistons inside the engine are in violation because they not only affect aerodynamic performance (especially before the now-mandated single-exit-between-the-spars exhaust location) but they are actually in contact with that airflow, albeit in a convoluted manner. Suspension arms are moveable aerodynamic devices. Brake ducts are moveable aero devices. Etc.
I agree, their logic is questionable.
Because they found it affected the air flow over the front wing more than it actually affected the stability of the car over the bumps. The opposite of what happened with the fan car.
@@AidanMillward Why on earth weren't mass dampers banned as movable ballast? See my post above.
@@seannewman6046 because the PRIMARY FOCUS of the mass dampers was improve front end aero grip.
FINALLY!!!
Renault: Invents a gadget that could make F1 significantly safer, faster and cooler.
FIA: Banned.
Regarding the Brabham fan car: Gordon Murray, speaking on F1's Beyond the Grid podcast, said that the BT46B satisfied the rules in that more than 50% of the airflow was directed to cooling, and the FIA agreed, although they resolved to change the rulebook for the following year and ban it. The car was withdrawn because team principal Bernie Ecclestone insisted to prevent a split amongst the team principals he needed in his power-struggle to take over F1.
I always thought the rules required all the ballast be fixed. (Or you could have a significant weight being actively shifted from side to side per corner.) I spoke of it at the time, but everyone else was still talking about it as an aero issue. Having a weight vibrationally isolated, or tuned, just sitting there, is not the same thing as having an oil pump or dry sump tank, on rubber mounts to keep it from cracking. IDK . . .
seems like a pretty good solution to needing that stiff suspension for ground effect, they should rethink the ban. and it was a bullsht ruling anyway, it moves, but it's not aero, unless suspension is, and they should ban that too.
Yes, catastrofuck is back!!
I felt compelled to leave an algorithm friendly comment.
Briatore, almost as bad as TWR- one of the biggest cheats in motorsport.
Great video as always.
Tom wasn’t so much a cheater, more a very shrewd businessman.
Wow very informative, learnt something new, very enjoyable, *insert more buzzwords here* feeeeeed the algorithm
WOW !!!
Shady Briatore is best Briatore, I'd like more of those kinds of stories, please