NISSAN'S BIG MEME! Remembering the Nissan GTR-LM 'Longboi'
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- Nissan's big failure in the 2015 24hrs du Mans is one of the big racing memes. How a car that had the whole motorsport world talking, got the whole motorsport world laughing.
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How many times have I covered this subject now? Hopefully this version stays up XD
Loved watching this at Le man's next year we will be back ! This tho will remain in hell where it belongs
Idk if it will
defiant
The only success this car had was in the virtual world with Jimmer and his enduro team
Don't worry, I personally Love Bowlby's acidtrips.
I remember being so excited at the time about this car as it was something different to the Audi, Porsche and Toyota LMP1 cars. In some way it is a shame that the plug was pull and it wasn’t give a bit more time, development and capital to show what it could have done. There are pictures of the spec intended for the next round at COTA which features a new rear wind and front canards. I must say it look pretty cool, such a shame the plug was pull.
My sentiments exactly
If the car actually was developed I think it would have been very competitive!! Unfortunately Japanese selfpride shut that down
The Nissan GTR-LM Nismo is a perfect case study in why you don't rush a project. The state it was in at the time they pulled the plug demonstrated it had a lot of potential if the car had been given proper development time. A two-year cycle absolutely 100% would have it ready to race - whether or not it could have beaten the opposition is another question. One we'll sadly never get the answer to...
Biggest meme at Le Mans......Aston Martin AMR-One. The Nissan wasn't alll that bad (I was at the race).
I was at that race too, and the car was a shambles
I read so many tech articles on the prototype in the months after its announcement. The first big disappointment was how it performed, the close 2nd disappointment was that the project was dropped immediately.
It performed badly because it didn't have "electric assistance" that is hybrid power (not enough time to develop electric motor/propulsion with intention of being used in unison with the engine for more power output.
@@sandasturner9529Which would of turned it into a 4WD car like the 919 and the R18 of the like. Albeit a front engine 4WD LMP1 car at that.
@@TheSilverShadow17 in other words, still awesome. Although if the electric power was sent to the front drive wheels also, that would be cool too, but in a Nissan quirky way.
The project failed because they rushed it. Let´s take Audi diesel R10 project as an example. Audi had several years of winning experience in endurance racing (1999 - 2003 and so on). The first public information regarding their intention to tackle Le Mans with a diesel was at the end of 2003. They needed 2 1/2 years between buidling and several hours of testing before racing (and let´s not forget they suffer with gearbox reliabilty).
Now take the Nissan GTR-LM Nismo. Public information was revealed AFTER 2014 Le Mans. They were new to Le Mans, never won before (or since), a much complex hybrid system with no engineering benchmark and the car was on track at the end of 2014 (and enconunter several problems during the development as expected). The car was not ready for previous endurance races in the road to LeMans (no testing can replace real racing), the hybrid system was not used, etc. in the end Nissan lack of commitment kill the porject even before starting it.
No amount of effort or commitment would have made the project viable.
The leading LMP1's were over 20 seconds ahead on lap time, and what's worse is that even LMP2 cars, were beating it.
@@Orcawhale1 in the LeMans weekend their hybrid system was not working, therefore it was a FWD car, not AWD. This means it was losing like 300HP vs the LMP but the fact they have no hybrid means no recovery energy from the braking zones. Due to this they had to fit bigger brakes that ruined the dynamic balance of the car. Even with all these problems they were hitting the top speed of the weekend at the end of the 2 main straights but it took too long to achieve them.
I think the concept for the racing itself was flawed because the car lap simulation was too optimistic (lap time was too focused in the top speed the car will have without traffic, etc).}
We are 70% towards Roberto Moreno story time
Lets goooooo
Let's not forget the Delta Wing that Nissan put out as well...I was astounded when that thing was unveiled and actually was competitive
The Delta wing was NOT a Nissan... Nissan had no part in its design at all... Panoz built the delta wing, and originally it wasn't meant to be an endurance car - it was an Indycar prototype but Indycar decided to use dallara, so Panoz built the delta wing.
Nissan SPONSORED the car, so people think Nissan built it.
They didn't.
@@csonkaperdido there was a big lawsuit that might say otherwise...true Nissan didn't completely design the car but they weren't just a money guy for it either. Depending on which side of the lawsuit u believe
@@bizzlea887 Nissan didn't have really anything to do with the design of the car. Maybe some late tweaks on the 2012 car otherwise it was all Panoz.
"actually was competitive"?
How do you gauge competitiveness when the Deltawing was running as a sole entry in a special invitational class...
Sure, it probably matched the lap time targets set for the car, but it wasn't competing against any other entry.
The original Deltawing's later life in IMSA is also a bit hard to gauge due to performance balancing (BoP).
Part of the design philosophy was to maximise the hybrid system. By having the engine and therefore the weight in the front, it supposedly allowed for greater harvesting during the breaking phase.
I do wish they continued cause it has been one of the very few interesting things in LMP1 for the last 10+ years
I remember loving the absolute mental energy around the GT-R LM. It's a damn shame the team didn't get at least another 12-18 months to work on it
The thing that I love with Nissan's Prototypes (both the Longboi and the DeltaWing) is that at least they were trying to do something different. Did they stick with stuff long enough to develop it properly? No, but credit must be given for at least trying.
shock factor more than a proper car in my opinion.
Delta wing should have been a series in itself. It could have promoted low power, fuel and tire efficient racing.
@@DM0407 I mean, iirc it was designed for IndyCar. A big what-if...
It seems that Nissan leadership has enough of an open mind to step out of the box, but they don't have a realistic understanding of the time and effort required to do something completely different. It's just ridiculous to expect something this far from the norm to be ready so soon.
My favorite part about nissan was that they found all of their drivers on Gran Turismo...
I went to the Le Mans museum yesterday, right before this video went out! Had to explain to my family why I laughed so hard when I saw this car 😅
The KERS system sounds very similar to what Williams originally developed for F1 in 2009
And Chrysler before that with the turbine-powered Patriot LMP.
The automobile equivalent of Jacob Rees Moggs face
Or Manchester United.
My first time I ever went to Le Mans was when the Nissan debuted. They were slow, unfinished, but so damn cool. Also Nissans team truck/building thing had a spiral slide from the 3rd floor to the 1st, thats pretty dank.
"Toyota became the biggest meme in endurance racing."
Bmw m8: Am I a joke to you?
When everyone since John Cooper has run rear, or at least mid, engine cars. That should've been a clue. A FF layout is madness.
I’m shocked they never got RML on board, who runs their ZEOD program after Nissan got bored with it.
They’d have probably got it to the top, provided Nissan provided the right funding.
Also, mod link pls xo
It was actually done by All American Racers.
@@derekmccord3798 the Deltawing initially was, but RML ran it for them in the later years
Back in 1979 F1 Arrows Team released a concept for it's 1980 car with the engine right back the front axle, still rear wheel drive; in order to maximize downforce.
If I had a nickle every time i went to click notifications and one of your videos pops up, id have 2 nickles but its weird it happened twice.
I wish more weird cars would be on grids across the world
I would love to see them get it to work properly as a one off in a similar way to what Porsche did for their lmp1 send off with record laps at Spa and the nordschleife. Just to see what its true potential was.
Same
Haha, the picture of the Winfield GTR was taken at the Geelong Revival in Aust, my local motor racing event, very cool Aiden
I totally got your star trek reference. 😉
why you do Jimmy like that lol
I was rooting for this car in its debut lol. I never expected it to get memed so hard as it bumblefucked during the 24H. Between that and it being essentially a weird amalgamation of a Deltawing and a GT-R, yeah. It's charming. Not the best results, but it had heart.
God I love this and have been waiting for it for so long...boi
Hello Aidan: Yes, please make more videos like this one. Thank you.
Great content man. Keep it up.
The big thing that happened was a rules change that allowed the Audi’s (and everyone else) to apply more hybrid/KERS to the front wheels. Previously, there was a limitation on this and it is my belief that the Nissan was conceived to bypass this limitation.
The Nissan GT-R LMP thingy provided petrol power to the front wheels and electric to the rear.
In all fairness panos did put the engine in the middle, they just put the driver behind it on top of the rear axle. So true the engine was in front of the driver's cockpit but it actually set right smack in the center of the chassis.
Engine sounded like an uncorked nascar cup car.
@@izzdin6228 I believe they ran 6L Roush engine derived from NASCAR, so makes sense.
@@DM0407 i await the day some sportscar constructor looks at his empty chassis and said, "you know what this needs? A big honkin nascar V8, fully n/a, and unrestricted ". And then let's his creation run wild at LeMans. That rumble should be a fan favorite on day one.
For a V8 sound there were Aston and Corvette.
A NASCAR engine is simply not fuel efficient enough for a 24 hr race.
@@luisgimenez8660 gt40 Mark vi one La mans with a NASCAR engine. A big 7 L one with two four-barrel carburetors.
I also can’t decide if I like it or not. From some angles it looks like Cruella Deville’s car.
Also, another DS9 reference, love it. Has to be my favourite ship.
Yep, Godzilla was the name that the Aussies gave the R32 GTR after it joined the Australian Touring Car Championship and destroyed the competition, until it got banned for being too good. 3 group A championships in 3 years ('90-92) and 2 Bathurst wins (91,92) were too much apparently.....
I remember first seeing Ben Bowlby on the channel 4 programme Equinox years ago.
great video. Love the storytime type videos
I really was hoping to see this car succeed. I just love seeing engineers try unique solutions.
"hit the microphone again"
Still don't know what to do with your hands Ricky Bobby?
I just remember the hype around the Super Bowl ad when this car got revealed
I LOVE THIS car. Yeah it was an insane dodgy weird concept. but I wish they had stuck with it a lot longer. It was a unique thing that could have been very instructive.
Just as I finished watching "Bee Oh Pee"
The Defiant and the longboi actually have quite a lot in common i mean the defiant was the ship that was „overgunned and overpowered for its size“ and nearly shook itself apart during testing when the engines where tested at full capacity. Major difference though is the defiant had been continued to be developed and eventually worked just fine while the development of the Nissan had been stopped.
Defiant also wasn't primarily FWD 😋
@@jsquared1013 True. The Defiant was „mid-engined“ 🤔
I just typed in LongBoi and I’m here🎉🎉
In certain aero ways, this seems somewhat similar to the wingless hypercar currently in the WEC
this car is on Jay Lenos garage , watching that after this ,,yt algorithm is good sometimes,,,eh..
Ah yes, the longboi gtr
I'd have loved to see it developed further and entered in 2016. It's so odd and out-of-the-box that I want it to succeed
That’s why you don’t make a sports prototype out of a production car. This isn’t the original Daytona Prototype class, and you’re not Corvette Racing.
I doubt your going to do a Roberto Moreno video, so could you do a Can-Am video?
Ahhhh, the shoe endurance racer
Our favorite underdog, The Nissan "Long boi" LMP1 GT-R.
The favorite car that need to be a success.
Man, remember the Porsche 919 EVO tribute? That thing was an absolute beast
Aidan, great vid, as usual! Change '"purely" to "poorly" or.....maybe I don't see what you're doing there! 😉
FWD with that much power for endurance races is mocking physics.
It took Ford 3 years to get GT40 to work. It just take time and money, which Nissan probably didn't have.
They had plenty of time and money, they just didn't have the patience (or the communication as mentioned, which Really doesn't help)
I would love to have seen this play out over a 3 year or so program. But in hind sight it was probably the right thing to do sacking the program when they did. Look at all the time and money Chrysler Cadillac, Aston Martin, Panoz, Lola, Reilly & Scott, ect, ect wasted trying to keep up with Audi without actually committing the resources and time necessary. Even Peugeot and Toyota with 9 figure investments only managed to beat them once at Le Mans. That had to on the minds of Nissan after the debacle they had the first time out.
i would love a story on the tvr speed12 and it's campaign in britcar and the reason why they stopped producing them after 1 example
It was too dangerous of a vehicle, _by racecar standards_
“Ex shed dwellers daily driver”😂😂
gettin those GNS Endurance vibes
Ayyy Longboye content!!
The JImmer reference lmao
Thank you
Kinda reminds me of the MasterCard Lola…an idea that never had a chance because it was rushed into competition before it was finished baking. However it did give us one of my all-time favorite Super Bowl ads.
To this day I'm still wondering how drivers could see the road in that car 😅
“it failed crash tests”
me: mp4/18 memories intensify*
I just adore the aesthetics of front-mid-engine prototype race cars, like Mustang GTP or Nissan Skyline turbo C.
"Ex shed dwelling youtubers daily driver" great shout out
The Codsworth V6 Twin-turbo engine is based of the inline-4 engine from the Jaguar CX-75 Hypercar and then got turned to the engine of the Aston Martin Valkyrie and maybe the Gordon Murray T51
You can check the video of the Valkyrie on the Drivetribe channel.
I own that LMP2 that out quali and out raced the GTR LM :). Literally!
I was hugely impressed by the car when released in 2014, but even back then i was in doubt because there was too much innovation in much less time and loads of untested technology... Even if 99 out of 100 ideas worked on that car (which is near impossible) something was bound to fail.
This car was nothing but a PR stunt. The layout, the ridiculous published HP numbers, the entry in the only race of the season people really care for. What a s... show.
wasnt the guy from that Deltawing project also involved in this one?
The backstabber ben bulbi made this so yeah this failing was karma for the deltawing
Backstabber? In what sense was Ben Bowlby a 'backstabber'?
I was excited to see what Nissan would be doing with this new LMP concept when details of it started to emerge... until I got to the point where I found out that the petrol engine would be powering the front wheels and the rears were going to be electric only, and the ensuing weight distribution. Immediately thought "that's not going to go well", didn't imagine it would go as bad as it did. Bowlby was on to something interesting with the DeltaWing, but inverting it should have been throwing up red flags from the get-go. There's a reason nothing FWD or nose-heavy is competitive in motorsports without a heavily-slanted ruleset.
I was at that race (still have a photo I took of the GTR LM as my phone background). I can remember at one point Porsche themselves said that the 919 would’ve been 20 seconds a lap slower without the hybrid system. So give the Nissans a working hybrid system and they would’ve been competitive. Still think Nissan were too ready to pull the plug though. 2016 wasn’t any faster than 2015 so if Nissan had rocked up with a GTR LM with a year’s development behind it I think they could have been pushing for a podium. Then in 2017 when Porsche and Toyota’s new cars both had reliability issues a fully developed known quantity GTR could’ve won. Oh well maybe in a alternate reality.
Nice lil Jimmy reference 👍🏼
I admire their ambitions to create something outside the box. If only it worked.
Do I spy a Hot Wheels red Volvo 850 on your shelf? I have one proudly on my wall in yellow......and custard yellow......and red......annnd I may also be after the race livery variants. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM!
If you're going to be.... enthusiastic 😅 about a car, the 850 T5-R is a good one to be enthused about 😁 (although I prefer the 700 and 900 series Volvos, myself).
@@jsquared1013 I'm mostly into volvo longbois because my partner is currently in the market for a 240 estate. Although BTCC helped with my car taste as a child lol. I do love the 850 though and wish I could drive so I could own one. But alas, hot wheels it is for me
I absolutely adore this car, it had a lot of potential. In hindsight I think they launched it too soon, It really needed another 12 months of R&D.
I remember this car released on the GT6 I think.
Had this one in GT6 and it absolutely ruined the competition
You gotta hand it to NIssan for at least trying... innovation is not something you see every day in motorsports nowadays as too many teams stick to what's the cheapest and already checked to be working
Could this come back as a HyperCar? But with all the bugs ironed out.
Nah. Aero regs, hybrid usage and output regs, ICE power output regs, etc wouldn't allow it. They might be able to sneak it in as a garage 56 project experimental type thing.
I actually like the car even though it doesn;t work. I have a 1/43 model of it.
Stupid car. Great video. Please make more. More videos that is not more of the car.
70k 👏👏👏
There's a good amazon doc or series, can't remember on this thing
The LMH ruleset, which was supposed to replace the dying LMP1, is essentially dead on arrival - with all other manufacturers like Audi, Porsche, BMW, Ferrari, Alpine etc. looking at the LMDh rules for their cars, only Toyota, Peugeot and Glickenhaus are firmly committed to the LMH and it'd have met an early demise if it wasn't for the FIA's parity to allow both ACO's LMH and IMSA's LMDh (the successor of DPi - beefed up LMP2 chassis with funky new bodykits) to compete in both the World Endurance Championship and the WeatherTech Sportscar Championship
the car may have been a failure, but its a car that is a bit of a guilty pleasure for me to drive on Gran Turismo. And in fact, i take part in a endurance series on GT Sport and the times we use the Gr.1 cars, I always use the GTR LM Nismo instead of cars like the R18, the 919 and the TS050
The heck you say about the Juke?!
(I actually liked that car, the replacement in the US is so meh)
You mentioned no21 got stripped for bodywork by souvenir hunters. How uhhh exactly does one go about doing that. I'd love a rear end or canard. Or wing😗 I don't recall 24H DM being blackflagged for disabled cars so they just sit till the morning?
He has become the long boi, how are he do it?
Toyota retired on the penultimate lap, not the last one.
An ex-shed dweller's daily driver... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
GT-R. Either the ex-shed dweller's daily driver... or the ex-shed dweller's flagship weekend driver bought from former Nissan factory driver. It's between those two...
That's a shame, I really like when teams try to think outside the box to get that famous advantage.
Shame also that they pulled the plug so fast, with an electrical hybrid system and proper testing they could've had good results and maybe changed how Le Mans cars would've been made.
Aidan Millward when I first knew about that car being front wheel drive and they only wanted to fun the car at Le Mans at the time I was working on some Nissans and they was front wheel drive they even had fly wheel problems a at the time new 2014 maxima was a nightmare of problems and to work on the only thing I can say that came good by Nissan was for looking different meaning the Deltawing and GTR-LM
If the GTR-LM was front engine rear wheel drive that would have helped it or rear engine rear wheel drive like a Porsche 911 the fact that it didn't even race bat the 6 hours of Fuji was a shocker
if the car looks ugly, it prob drives that way too lol
shouldve taken the gtr and added hybrid to it and lots of down force lol
Can you tell me where I can get that car for assetto corsa please? I've always wanted to drive it in a racing game!
It would have been in the ball park of Nissan spent less on promotion, and more on developing the car. Nissan never was committed to doing this off the charts idea.
i mean if the americans can do it with a Viper (i know different class), but take your time, its LeMans, its a marathon not a sprint!!