They should do the same damage as an AR at very close range, with the faster firerate this will make their ttk very quick, but to balance this just have a steep damage drop off. This is the fried and true method of balancing SMGs, not sure why SMGs are just ARs but weak in this game
@@MrNirvanana s tier means, great DPS & self sustains for the most part, other factors are for example mag size. It has a very good DPS (1 shot kills) but the ammo pick up rate is just not there. I would place it in S tier if it was ithe best in it's class but the Sforza has more ammo, 1 shot kills, more firerate, less recoil and way better pick up rate, only downside being you gotta hit headshots
I can't complain too much about the Compact-7's placement, personally tho I do enjoy rocking it. Could just be my bias towards the real MP7 but it's pretty good and can almost sustain its ammo indefinitely.
true facts, as I said in the video I was very shocked to see how good it was, contrary to my original thoughts :) it was really great to use, I just hope it had some better attachments
Honestly the bullkick is my favourite secondary in the game rn. To me it compliments the Blyspruta pretty well, though that’s just my opinion. It’s good if you need to get a single accurate shot to take out a sniper, or something tougher like a shield or dozer, and then you switch to the lmg to take out any horde of basic cops. They’re both easily my favourite guns in the game rn.
I love reading this, if you noticed in the video I was actually running both in the footage for both of them and they pair together greatly, and the Bullkick is so much fucking fun!
I know right? I remember seeing the trailer for Boys in Blue and thinking “man that revolver looks sick”. Glad it didn’t disappoint, as it fits with the lmg for a yin-yang playstyle.
@@Mr_Mushroom_Soup exact same here, i drooled at the trailer. Also Mr mushroom soup, I'm a follower from the Instagram days, Scarface Saturday amiright?
I haven't played in 7 months so I could just be misremembering but it feels like so many weapons became weaker. I'm unsure if there were a lot of weapon nerfs or if its the change to cutting shot but so many weapons are just disappointments now. Pump shotty used to be a sniper using long shot but it feels inconsistent now. SGC7 is the same story and it feels like it takes another shot or two for kills. The revolvers are still good but the other pistols feel a fair bit worse, the model 11 only slightly. Am I crazy?
I would say most weapons got an upgrade, I showed my old tier list in the beginning so you have a point of comparison and most weapons either stayed the same or got an upgrade imo
@@Itz_Cobra not agree, with fik it's easier to place headshots than with most guns, even other smgs. You just kiling more cops in second because you don't need control recoil at all.
I can understand the VF7S placement. It's a little bit harder to use than the new Adelig because of the higher kick, but it should perform the same in good hand. I would have put it at least top of A tier. The SA deserve a tier on it's own (SSS tier) because of how stupid it is. Interesting ranking 👍
Appreciate the feedback my man. Another thing with eh VF7S is the fact it has a smaller mag size compared to the Adelig, and yea the SA A144 is truly in a realm of it's own
@@Itz_Cobra holy crap... payday 3 actually reached point where people don't say "dont buy this trash"? Im proud yeah the 50% discount definetly makes the game pretty buyable, considering the updates that currently exist and are about to come (crimenet, better UI, solo mode beta which is soon to be fixed and actually playable full offline hopefully)
The Bullkick is a lot better than the Bison because the Bison needs perfect gameplay to be effective, while the Bullkick is super low effort and doesn't require headshots.
honestly speaking i play so much with the sforza i just never miss heads when hipfire and go on rampages. the bullkick runs out of ammo and has shit recoil and fire rate compared, which is alright since its meant to be this way but the sforza is more reliable as it has more ammo and shoots faster
Hi! im new here, and i would love to make a build with SMG´s and assault rifles, but i dont really know that much about the game, could you give me some recomendations about what perks could be nice to run? or if you knew any good content creator who has a nice build with any of those weapons? thank you very much in advance mate!
Crazy how even since the beta the Northwest hasn't gotten a single buff, it's like Starbreeze wants it to suck.
all they need to do is increase ammo pick up rate by like 2x at least
Really wish smgs had more use. Feels like there's no niche they fill better than the other guns right now
yea right, even on the close quarters maps, shotguns and some of the other guns are better than SMGs.
Personnaly I think they might fit better as secondary weapons, like some of the SMGs in PD2
either they make s skill tree for it or make it secondary
They should do the same damage as an AR at very close range, with the faster firerate this will make their ttk very quick, but to balance this just have a steep damage drop off. This is the fried and true method of balancing SMGs, not sure why SMGs are just ARs but weak in this game
The boys in blue revolver hits hard
so satisfying
Fr ❤ one taps are nice
@Itz_Cobra, it's definitely an S tier weapon, crazy.
@@MrNirvanana s tier means, great DPS & self sustains for the most part, other factors are for example mag size. It has a very good DPS (1 shot kills) but the ammo pick up rate is just not there.
I would place it in S tier if it was ithe best in it's class but the Sforza has more ammo, 1 shot kills, more firerate, less recoil and way better pick up rate, only downside being you gotta hit headshots
@@Itz_Cobra every gun have different pick up rates? Why so? (Sorry newbie here)
I can't complain too much about the Compact-7's placement, personally tho I do enjoy rocking it. Could just be my bias towards the real MP7 but it's pretty good and can almost sustain its ammo indefinitely.
true facts, as I said in the video I was very shocked to see how good it was, contrary to my original thoughts :)
it was really great to use, I just hope it had some better attachments
@@Itz_Cobra yeah, gotta agree with that. Its attachment variety is incredibly lackluster.
Honestly the bullkick is my favourite secondary in the game rn. To me it compliments the Blyspruta pretty well, though that’s just my opinion. It’s good if you need to get a single accurate shot to take out a sniper, or something tougher like a shield or dozer, and then you switch to the lmg to take out any horde of basic cops. They’re both easily my favourite guns in the game rn.
I love reading this, if you noticed in the video I was actually running both in the footage for both of them and they pair together greatly, and the Bullkick is so much fucking fun!
I know right? I remember seeing the trailer for Boys in Blue and thinking “man that revolver looks sick”. Glad it didn’t disappoint, as it fits with the lmg for a yin-yang playstyle.
@@Mr_Mushroom_Soup exact same here, i drooled at the trailer. Also Mr mushroom soup, I'm a follower from the Instagram days, Scarface Saturday amiright?
I haven't played in 7 months so I could just be misremembering but it feels like so many weapons became weaker. I'm unsure if there were a lot of weapon nerfs or if its the change to cutting shot but so many weapons are just disappointments now. Pump shotty used to be a sniper using long shot but it feels inconsistent now. SGC7 is the same story and it feels like it takes another shot or two for kills. The revolvers are still good but the other pistols feel a fair bit worse, the model 11 only slightly. Am I crazy?
I would say most weapons got an upgrade, I showed my old tier list in the beginning so you have a point of comparison and most weapons either stayed the same or got an upgrade imo
Fik smg is underrated by you. It's awesome headshot machine with high accuraty.
every weapon (except the northwest and sig40) kill fast with headshots, other guns just do it better than the FIK
@@Itz_Cobra not agree, with fik it's easier to place headshots than with most guns, even other smgs. You just kiling more cops in second because you don't need control recoil at all.
maybe, even then other guns do it better, and the gun still doesnt sustain itself with ammo, youre much better with the ATK 7 or the SG Compact 7
The fik is second worst behind northwest tbh. Not enough RPM for cqb, not enough damage for range. Just bad.
@npne1253 tell that to the other commenter lol
I can understand the VF7S placement. It's a little bit harder to use than the new Adelig because of the higher kick, but it should perform the same in good hand. I would have put it at least top of A tier.
The SA deserve a tier on it's own (SSS tier) because of how stupid it is.
Interesting ranking 👍
Appreciate the feedback my man. Another thing with eh VF7S is the fact it has a smaller mag size compared to the Adelig, and yea the SA A144 is truly in a realm of it's own
The game is currently 19.99 on the psn store im tempted to buy it never played this franchise before i want to try it
I definetly recommend it brother! if you do end up buying it, feel free to add me and I'll play with you and be available to help whenever :)
@@Itz_Cobra holy crap... payday 3 actually reached point where people don't say "dont buy this trash"? Im proud
yeah the 50% discount definetly makes the game pretty buyable, considering the updates that currently exist and are about to come (crimenet, better UI, solo mode beta which is soon to be fixed and actually playable full offline hopefully)
The Bullkick is a lot better than the Bison because the Bison needs perfect gameplay to be effective, while the Bullkick is super low effort and doesn't require headshots.
honestly speaking i play so much with the sforza i just never miss heads when hipfire and go on rampages.
the bullkick runs out of ammo and has shit recoil and fire rate compared, which is alright since its meant to be this way but the sforza is more reliable as it has more ammo and shoots faster
@@Itz_Cobra Yeah, I could see where you're coming from.
@@gabrielarruda4083 appreciate the feedback anyways :)
I should also point out that the Bullkick can one shot shield, that makes it interesting as well
@@ectotrix7399 Yeah it's a shield shredder.
I know it sounds crazy but have you ever completed a heist without stopping to shoot ?
Hi! im new here, and i would love to make a build with SMG´s and assault rifles, but i dont really know that much about the game, could you give me some recomendations about what perks could be nice to run? or if you knew any good content creator who has a nice build with any of those weapons? thank you very much in advance mate!
appreciate the nice comments, if you want any personal help, add me through my discord server and ill help you! :)
Update will come?
Ehh i might, you think its worth for 4 weapons?
I really think a lot new Players will come now. Also good Content!
WAR 45 fell so hard bro
fr the nerf hammer hit my boy too hard
@@Itz_Cobra they returned old ammo pickup in this patch, didn't they?
@@cringesellsbutwhosbuying I think its not the same but it’s better than before the update