YES YES YES I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A VIDEO LIKE THIS!!! This is so true!!! No notes on his character motivations, you NAILED them! Some of the comments have already mentioned stuff like the Salmonid Trade Deal and the beginning of Splatoon 3, so here's some of my own thoughts on the things that you didn't cover! (WARNING IT'S LONG I'M SO SORRY) First, the child soldier thing: - One of the most recent Side Order interviews confirms that Octarian society can be kinda broken down into different "levels". Depending on an Octarian's skills, they can go to multiple different, specialized schools that suit them best! The standard Octotroopers and the like don't ever go to the super elite school that Marina and Acht went to. It's not a stretch to assume that the same goes for the Octolings, too! - In the case of Marina, despite being stationed in Slimeskin Garrison and having been trained like the other Octolings, it's unlikely she was ever meant for combat! As a member of the Wasabi Supply Unit - as vague as that status is - it's far more likely she was put there to help with the Flooders and Great Octoweapons (as mentioned in her dossier log) using her engineering knowledge! Probably even in the "Propellerland" kettle!! - According to an even older interview (one which I was sadly not in the fandom for during that time) all of the enemy Octolings we fight in the hero mode are adults!! Or, at least, significantly older than Agent 8 and the Inkling agents. - Regarding "taking over the surface"... as far as I'm aware, it doesn't actually say that Octavio SPECIFICALLY had plans to overthrow Inkling society, (at maximum) just get revenge. That's why your comment about training the young soldiers to take over the surface kinda caught me off guard? - ...All this to say that, while forcing (certain kinds of) young children to endure strict schooling and rigorous training is wrong, Octavio wasn't actually putting child soldiers directly into battle! The tentacles: - Another old interview talked about Octarian reproduction! While Octolings reproduce the same way Inklings do, the creation of lesser Octarians is done by cutting off a tentacle from the host! Since octopods in real life can regrow their limbs, it doesn't affect the host! And the "mini-brain" thing mentioned by another commenter explains how the Octarians gain sentience! - A lot of comments pointed this out, but yep! That IS Octavio's arm powering the Great Octoweapons and Octarmaments!! - Which... man. Imagine cutting off your injured arm, a constant reminder of the war and your own defeat, over and over to power more machines of war... only for it to keep growing back in its same, scarred state :( - As for the sentience of the scarred tentacles powering the weapons, well... it's not too different from killing the fully sentient Octotroopers trying to defend their home, is it? - Something funny, no shade intended since you didn't know the lore when you made the video: "They seem pretty compliant and willing to control" That's cause it's his arm, dude... (lighthearted) Callie and the Octarians: - Another comment pointed this out, so you already know this, but the Splatoon 2 relationship chart implies that, to an extent, Callie was NOT kidnapped by Octavio! While it's most likely that he used her weakened emotional state (as a result of her recent stress and loneliness) to coerce her into joining, she went with him willingly! - This point comes from a post made by dr-spectre on Tumblr, so I'll copy and paste what he wrote: "Being hypnotized is described as having 'heightened attention, increased focus and heightened suggestibility.' You do not get put to sleep and become a puppet as popular media shows it to be, but instead you are hyper aware of what is going on around you." From this information, it's also debatable as to whether or not the Hypnoshades even controlled her to the extent that we think! - In a similar vein, a wildly prevalent INCORRECT belief in the fandom is that the enemy Octolings' goggles are ALSO hypnoshades. It's been confirmed that the goggles are meant to enhance the user's senses, and play no part in controlling anyone! - To stretch it even further, it's possible that the Hypnoshades are actually just fancy Octoling glasses, provided that the description of hypnotism and the goggles are so similar. But we can't know for sure! And it sure doesn't help that Octavio describes it as "remixing Callie's brain". You didn't imply any of these misconceptions (which was AWESOME) but for the people confused about the Calamari Inkantation, or the role of music in general: - Contrary to popular belief, the Inkantation DOESN'T free you from mind control! Yes, it's freeing you from brainwashing, but not in the physical sense - just breaking down decades of propaganda! - Marina writes that many Octolings are still stuck underground. While this demonstrates that she views Octarian society as something negative, it also implies something greater - that is, many of the Octarians who heard the Calamari Inkantation DIDN'T desert. Maybe it was out of a feeling of obligation, or maybe they just liked how their life was. Either way, whether Marina likes it or not, there are undeniably Octolings who heard the Inkantation and just... didn't want to leave! - Turquoise October music doesn't hypnotize, either! It's meant to boost morale and keep the soldiers focused. Now, is this probably used to keep them calm and more likely to follow orders? Probably, yeah. But that's the beauty of morally gray characters! And, finally, some fun facts to finish it off! - From one of the elevator dialogues in Side Order, Octavio was involved in Octoling education enough to have frequently gone on long tangents about the importance of working hard! - Marina has a sticker of DJ Octavio's logo on her laptop!! She also doesn't seem to hold any resentment towards him (further evidenced by obtaining Octavio's palette, like you said), just like Eight! - Multiple tracks within Side Order emphasize the previous point: Musically, Marina LOOKS UP to him!! Aside from the obvious reference to the Onward leitmotif in Unconscience, Onward can also be found in the tracks 0pt0ptic0n, C0ld St0rage, and even the ELEVATOR music!! Since Order took from the subconscious of everyone that worked on the project, it's INCREDIBLY likely that the musical references were a result of everyone's memories of the army. And while it can be argued that those tracks were only pulled from the other Octoling engineers, considering Marina was the primary developer of the Memverse, a significant portion of it was no doubt pulled from her! - From what Smollusk says about Octavio's palette, I like to believe that he's still looking for his missing troops! Octarian society would've already proven themselves to be capable of functioning without his direct rule, as seen in the significant length of time he was trapped in the snowglobes, so it'd make sense if he was comfortable enough to keep looking for his missing soldiers instead of ruling! - Octavio's palette's color chip bias is Drone (referencing the Octarian technology) and SUPPORT!!! :D TL;DR: DJ War Crimes is my favorite character in Splatoon, even with all the messed up things he did... ESPECIALLY in terms of stealing the Great Zapfish (and the subsequent poor treatment of the smaller Zapfish), feeding his people anti-Inkling propaganda (evidenced by one of the Splatoon 1 Sunken Scrolls on the anatomy of Inklings), 'kidnapping' (complicated, explained above) Callie, and overall just being a super strict ruler. But even then, everything he's done has been completely understandable. Because, at the end of the day, he's just a scared, traumatized old man trying to protect the people he cares about! And that complexity is what makes him so AWESOME and FUNNY! I love him I wish we could see more of him
These are actually really good points that I didn't consider while making this video! I'm surprised by and also respect the amount of lore you know about these games!
Octavio just tried to do what was best for his soldiers, just without knowing what it was. And THAT’S why certain Octolings defected from his reign. They didn’t hold a grudge; they just weren’t happy and wanted a life more fulfilling.
Dont forget, in the beginning of S3, Octavio went after Cuttlefish himself, thinking he had kidnapped and brainwashed the Octarians, meaning he does care enough to at least go out of his way for them.
Exactly, he was in a significantly weaker state then usual due to the fact that he didn't have the power of the Zapfish, yet still risked going up against the New Squidbeak Splatoon despite getting beaten by them multiple times with it.
Yes, finally, some talk about the story of splatoon! DJ Octavio, for all we know, was leading an entire society and army for over 100 years, all underground, with diminishing resources. Of course he would get desperate, but in splatoon 3, when push comes to shove, he was there to save the day because he cared about his people. Hopefully in some dlc or side stories or in a new campaign, we get to see more of Ocatvio and cuttlefish talk about their different views about the war and settle on a truce to help each other when the time comes
Octavio truly was a real one, he just wanted to help his people survive! I really want to see more Octarians (Not just Octolings) on the surface in future games/stories. I also want to see more of Octavio and Cuttlefish interacting in the future as well.
@@goldengamer6474 A, it's pernounced DJ Oct-A-vio, the A says its name. B, his redemption is debated as it's unknown if he IS redeemed, on & off or if he helped defeat Mr. Grizz for selfish reasoning.
It’s a good thing Cuttlefish isn’t like Major Chip Hazard from Small Soldiers or he wouldn’t stop until the octarians are driven to near extinction if he has an mercy.
As a kid playing Splatoon 1 I remember thinking 'Damn, the inklings seem to be doing just fine without the zapfish, since apparently they can even afford to throw huge festivals with tons of screens and stage lights and stuff, meanwhile the octarians literally need it to keep their already crappy homes from falling apart'
lmao I like to believe that they have backup sources that can produce enough power for a short amount of time, giving the Squidbeak Splatoon enough time to retrieve the Zapfish before all power goes out, but yeah, the Octarians def needed it to power their homes.
As for kidnapping Callie: In the Splatoon relationship chart for Spalt2, Callie says to Octavio "Okay, I'll hear you out" (roughly), which could imply she went willingly to him/went willing at first and then got ambushed.
One of the reasons why I adore Splatoon's story is the mix of morals. We are shoved into the perspective of an INKLING, and are told that 'Hey, the Octarians are evil!' and we believe that. However, through viewing the story in different lenses, nobody's really the villain here. I adore how Octavio's core to his actions is attempting to help his people live a better life, no matter how 'evil' it might be. The inklings have forced them underground, and ignored them, pretending they were gone forever. That's evil right there, but it's true. Both parties, and any party in this world, all have some issues with them, and because of the surface level perspective, we have to look outside the box to find out what is really going on. Amazing work with this video! Octavio is one of my favorite characters in all of Splatoon because of how cool he is as well as his character arc through the past three games. You gave him the justice that he deserves!
I'm glad you also really like Octavio as a character! One of my favorite parts of Splatoon is that the villains all have somewhat understandable ideals, even if those ideals are still horrible, (Tartar & Grizz & Order). Thanks for the comment!
I want to add to your point about Callie, it wasn’t really just a kidnapping. The relationship chart specifically states that Callie will “hear him out,” and it seems like she is able to go about her own devices in the domes (decorating them). She also definitely wasn’t doing too well during post Splat 1 / pre Splat 2, so I think it was definitely more complicated than squidnapping, tho I definitely agree w/ your points about it being to raise morale w/ his troops.
@@goldengamer6474Not only that, but the Octarians' infallibly literary naming scheme means Octavio used Hypnosis, a brainwashing tactic that only works if the individual originally wants to do what they're asked in the first place
if i remember correctly the kidnapping thing is a misstranslation she willingly joined the octariens but i think the hypno shades were to force callie to fight ? not really sure callie would willing fight marie but correct me if im wrong (btw the octo samurai is canonicaly super fan of callie)
@@fernoagent8581Not sure what happened to my reply but Callie didn't fight us, Hypnoshades or not. In fact, hypnosis (As defined through the Octarians' infallibly literary naming scheme) wouldn't force Callie to do anything she wouldn't already want to do
About Marina starting at age 6, the wording seems to be implying that she's just going to school. Military school sure, but still school, not work. And Acht mentioning often being called to the instructor's office feels like being called to the director's office, kinda like at school so it reinforces the idea. And Marina starting making weapons at age 10 seems to be because she's extremely gifted (it's also said before that how she skipped many classes due to how talented she is). This is not the norm for an average Octarian.
Something I wanted to add about the octarians and Callie: From what I remember, in the arena where you fight Callie and Octavio (i think), there is a pink neon sign resembling heart with an arrow through it with some text beneath it. And, cutely, when translated, the text reads, "Callie!" For me personally, I think it's a massive display of how much the octolings love Callie, she's their favorite pink girl! :D
This is not much but according to an official relationship chart DJ Octavio actully didn't force her but struck a deal with her it was entirely up to Callie and if you replay you see that callie went back on her and it's said she actully found alot of comfort with the Octo army
I've always loved Octavio. Ever since i knew of him, i immediately made an oc loyal to the army, and who never held animosity towards him after moving to the surface. Hes just a King doing his best with what he has for his people. It seems rough, but that's because it's what they HAVE to do purely to SURVIVE. They HAVE to be strong. They HAVE to be strategic. He isnt evil. Hes desperate.
Pretty sure the tentacles are Octavio's, since they have the same star mark. Also, Octopi ( I know that it's Octopuses, but I think Octopi sounds better) have "Mini Brains" in their arms, which is why some of the Octarians are literally just severed tentacles. Oh, and the whole Hypnoshades thing was just made up by english translators. Most fans kinda just ignore that, since Callie canonically started hanging out and sympathizing with Octarians. finally, My headcanon is that the military training is optional. Like how kids can be taught hand to hand combat but it's not a law.
Plus, DJ Octavio made a trade deal with Salmonoids. He gives them weaponry, and they give him Salmon eggs, which is what they used as power prior to Splatoon1. However, Mr.Grizz started a company to gather not just regular eggs, but their Golden eggs as well (Those are sacred and thus were not traded). Since Inklings were employed by Mr.Grizz, I imagine the Salmonoids informed Octavio that Inklings were killing them and stealing their eggs. That probably pissed him off, since Inklings didn't need the eggs, so why gather them? it would only be in the third game that we would learn why Grizz was gathering Salmon eggs, and it was something nefarious, and something the Inklings didn't know.
@@PinkCupcakez25 There's so much to Octavio's character that I didn't even remember his relationship with the Salmonids, thx for reminding me! Also, I didn't mention it in the video but I think you are 100% right about the tentacles in the Great Octoweapons, the Sunken Scroll about them also mentions something about the tentacles being Octavios.
Really? As far as I know, the Hypnoshades were never a translation error… I’ll have to check that Edit: Yeah, no, sorry, but all the sources I can find say that Octavio brainwashing Callie with Hypnoshades is canon. Furthermore, it doesn’t make sense for her to not be brainwashed. Sure, she sympathized with the Octarians, that much is true, but why would she work for Octavio against the New Squidbeak Splatoon, which included her beloved grandpa and cousin? And most importantly, why would Marie need to shoot the shades off Callie’s face with low-tide ink to turn her back? It simply does not make sense.
@@MutedAndReported3032 I always thought the hypnoshades for Callie not being a brainwashing device theory was weird, but I wasn't 100% sure. I think people mistake it for the ones the Octolings wear in Splatoon 2? But I don't know. Good points about Callie probably not willingly working against her family and friends as well.
@@MutedAndReported3032Low Tide is especially interesting to me because it's the only ink to have that lingering effect on Callie (Not the green splotches while she's dazed.) I think Callie gets stunned not by losing the Hypnoshades, but because that's just how Low Tide works. As for working against Marie, yes it's a hard choice to make, but that's probably why the shades were created to begin with. Callie knows Marie is set in the ways Cuttlefish taught her, proven by how she reacts to Callie going missing. They'd never hear Octavio out the way Callie did, so she had to use more than words to help set the Octarians free
Me and my friends all belived that octavio was just a misunderstood leader, especially my friend who adores him, and even i always belived he wasnt really such a "bad" guy despite how the game pictured him in the past games, glad to see someone else thinks about this aspect^^ good video
While some people still see Octolings as villains and Inklings as the true heroes I'm not joking people still think Octolings are evil, if the Octolings truly did go extinct underground that would've given the Inklings a bad rep basically showing they buried their enemies without any help or understanding, that would've been dark if you think about it
Yes. Thank you. Dj Octavio was never a villain to begin with. He was seen as a villain to the player and the Inklings, but in reality he was just doing the best he can to help his people. Although, I just wish we'd get an explanation on where he was after we fought him as the first boss in S3. Like, man straight up vanished till the very end. I mean it still caught me by surprise but I would've loved to see interactions between him and Cutttlefish. After all, they had history together. Overall, great work on your explanation.
Also take this with a grain of salt but It’s possible Callie sided with the octarians willingly since she was in a very low point in her life and the only person she had to comfort her was an octarian (seen in an art book) and we know Callie has no hard feelings towards Octavio and his people, if anything SHE LOVES THEM
I do find it a bit weird that she would leave without mentioning anything to Marie, or the other members of the New Squidbeak Splatoon, but I also believe that Callie liked the Octarians at least a little bit before the hypnoshades.
@@goldengamer6474Leaving without elaboration makes perfect sense when it's the Octarians and Marie we're talking about. Do you really think she'd hear even her own cousin out on this?
Another thing to note, is that apparently the original Japanese script doesn’t have the whole “evil oppressive Octarian society” angle at all, that was a thing the NA localization imagined up In the original they are indeed just a society that is struggling with dwindling resources and a leader who is desperate to try anything to save his people 😢
10:38 the scroll's lore goes deeper than just showing Marina at the concert. It also shows Agent 8 next to the Octarian on Marina's left, meaning that both 8 and Marina left the army at the same time.
While he isn’t the best guy ever I do agree with your point that his goal isn’t necessarily power it’s just the safety and prosperity of his people. I hope in future games we can hear about how things have changed within the domes with them hopefully having no power problems and less child labor
I’m shocked you didn’t mention the Splatoon 2 character relationship chart, where Callie’s thoughts about Octavio are “Okay, I’ll hear you out.” I honestly think that Callie, at least somewhat subconsciously, felt bad for the Octolings. I like to think that he at least talked to Callie before resorting to kidnapping.
in the splatoon 2 art book its confirmed do octavio only kidnapped callie to “boost his ratings.” some art also implies that callie went to the octarians by her own will, though its probably not canon bc its just concept art
3:08 If I recall right, 6 would mean she's still a normal octopus? If memory serves, getting their biped forms are their sort of puberty. So either he recruited a plain octopus, OR that age is since biped conversion. Unless I'm remembering wrong.
my favourite splatoon meme of all time is one that goes "society if those colonizing ass inklings didnt hoarde all the electricity" alongside that one image of a futuristic developed world, and its so true! i feel bad for the octarians, they are literally just tryna live
Great video! You did really well on editing; the voice over/narration is clear with good volume, the background music isn't distracted and doesn't overpower your words, and what is shown on screen either fits the topic currently being touched on or gives something to look at without taking away or distracting from what your saying. And, while I'm not an expert, all of you information you talk about is thorough and accurate. Also thank you for putting time stamps for thoses wanting to avoid Side Order. Overall great job! I look forward to seeing what other videos you have and/or will cooked up(This is my first video I've seen from you).
Thanks for the nice comment! I'm really glad you liked the editing. I try really hard to choose music that actually fits with the video, and try to make it quiet enough so (as you said) it isn't distracting, while loud enough that you can actually hear. I'm glad you plan on sticking around for a while!
This is a good video, but it’s missing a whole lot of very important information, and is using the dramatically changed US localization of the stories rather than the direct translations we have available thanks to fan efforts. If you plan on covering this topic again, I’d recommend using the external developer interviews, Haikara Walker, and other such Japanese external media since they shed a lot of light on the story of Splatoon. Also when in regards to Splatoon 2 and why Callie was even with the Octarians to begin with, I think it would be important to go through the Squid Sisters diary that takes place in between Splatoon 1 and 2. Callie was there by choice, she wanted to help them out since she felt bad for their situation. After going there once and seeing how the Octarians were living, she decided to go there on her own time away from everyone else and do what she could. She made their lives a lot better, she made so many of them happy, she was more than just an idol to them, she represented the freedom and happiness they hoped to one day attain. The Sunken Scroll shows a peek at what she did behind the scenes, the reason however that she’s wearing those shades, is because she was going to leave them. She missed Marie, she missed her home, so she told them she was going to leave but planned on coming back, Octavio however realized that her leaving would only break the Octarians’ hearts and greatly demoralize them. So he gave Callie some trendy looking shades (that she kept putting on for some reason afterwards) which brainwashed her preventing her from leaving… and changing her personality quite a bit, was that an accident? Or did Octavio think that would inspire the Octarians? Or was that just his taste? The world may never know. Either way, there wasn’t any malice on his part, I mean aside from the obvious. He never intended on hurting her, it’s the exact opposite, she was treated like a queen and worshipped by her adoring fans that are the Octarians. They didn’t know about the brainwashing, just that she chose to be there and wasn’t leaving for whatever reason. Now while I don’t agree with his actions, both his and Callie’s taste in shades are spot on, they’re pretty cool if I’m being honest, they really remind me of the shades Avalon wears in LBP2. Does anyone else see the resemblance, or is it just me?
I know that there's a lot of stuff outside the U.S. version of the game I didn't touch on, but I wanted to keep it simple with just stuff from the game to make it easier to understand I guess. I do enjoy all the extra lore the developers have given us though, I just wish there was an easy way to incorporate it into the games to make it easier for people like me to digest lmao. I appreciate the comment!
It's worth noting that it's at least implied that Octolings living outside of the main Inkopolis area were unaffected by The Great Turf War. Splatoon 3's Sunken Scrolls show that Shiver's clan has been living in the Splatlands for generations. Mashup/Warabi of Diss-Pair is another Octoling with no known ties to Octarian culture. It's very likely that The Great Turf War only happened for Inkopolis. That makes DJ Octavio even more tragic- he just wants to rejoin his people who aren't facing the same energy crisis and prejudice of his subjects. Did he still do awful things? Of course. But it's a tad more understandable.
This is such a well put together video! Honestly I’ve always felt more for the Octarians more than I did for the inklings because of the harsh conditions of living with lack of power and resources. It’s morally grey on both sides but I still sympathize with Octavios motives and the Octarian society as a whole.
@@goldengamer6474 No problem! Thanks so much for addressing this! Keep up the fantastic work! Of course I also love the inklings too^^ Lore wise the future is looking bright for the squids and octos now!
Octavio not being a villain makes perfect sense to me. He's someone who was in theory, thrown into a major role before he was truly "ready" to take on a ton of responsibility. The theft of the Great Zapfish was most likely a last-resort choice, since things were dire by the time Agent 3 turns up. Ironically, Agent 3 showing up and shaking up the status quo lead to a long-term improvement of the overall quality of life for the Octarians, and we know from 3 that Octavio cares about his people. So if he ever found out about Kamabo... I know there'll be Hell to pay if it hadn't been paid already. If anything, the Great Turf War arguably didn't end until much later than recorded, as it initially ended without a proper conclusion. If there was a proper conclusion, then we wouldn't have Octavio resorting to stealing the Great Zapfish on 2 occasions, kickstarting well, everything covered in the single-player campaigns (base AND DLC). Seriously, all Octavio wants to do is make some sick tunes and look out for his people, and he'll do anything to make those things happen. Tartar and Mr Grizz... those two want life on Earth *dead* just so their ideal world can take its place. Seriously, Mr Grizz yoinking the Great Zapfish lead to Octavio helping with the finale of Return of the Mammalians, as unlike Mr Grizz, Octavio takes better care of the Great Zapfish, only using it to power his Octobot King. Grizz used it to power an ENTIRE ROCKET!! aka that thing is way more energy intensive. No wonder the Great Zapfish is not looking healthy after the events of RotM, only looking much better after a few months pass by (trainline opening up to Greater Inkopolis back in Feb '23). If we ever get a Splatoon 4, I'm OK with Octavio taking a backseat to all of this madness, and hopefully retired. He's long earned it in my view. I mean, being the main leader of the Octarians from the age of about 28 (presuming he's the same age as Cuttlefish and the presumption of the GTW ending exactly 100 years before Splatoon 1's events, with said events happening in their 2015), and maintaining the role for a century despite everything... yeah, he's earned that long overdue retirement.
I'm just now thinking about this, but it would be kind of cool if Octavio was one of the people that talked to you throughout the story, sort of like how the Squid Sisters or Off the Hook did. Splatoon 4 has a lot of potential to say the least!
Imagine how cool it would be if Octavio and Cuttlefish settle their differences completely on Splatoon 4 and agree to unite both societies, with proper transport and shared resources
I think now that we have 3 games, and canonically at least 3 zapfishes powering different cities, it makes less sense for octavio to take inkopolis plaza's zapfish, especially since I kind of doubt the one in piranha pit is the same one thats in either inkopolis locations, since you know, I wouldn't think the zapfish could just, take a break from powering the city to go for a swim, it seems like more of an option for octavio to just, find another great zapfish in the wild
How often do you think a Great Zapfish flies over a barren wasteland? If anything the Inklings could catch another Great Zapfish and give it to the Octarians
I think Cuttlefish does care about his Agents. During Octo Expansion, we can see him slowly warm up to Eight as the game progresses, and he also seems very worried about finding Agent 3 as well. I think he's just old and kind of clueless during a few points in the story, so that's why it may seem like he doesn't care. I still have a lot of respect for Cuttlefish, (Same with Octavio).
I ultimately think it comes down to societal views over time. Back then, the only way for the Octarians to survive down in those domes was fighting back and stealing their power sources due to the inklings arrogance in not supporting them. But now, with societal changes in inklings with them becoming more welcoming and more friendly in terms of their views towards Octarians, with Marina being an example of this as they realised Octarians can be good with Marina existing, the Octarians who have opened their eyes due to the inkantation feel that what the Octarian like government and military were doing was wrong if the inklings are being so welcoming to them now more than before, of course they didn’t know what it was like before. Whereas DJ Octavio, still believes that fighting is the only way and his arrogancy grows just like the inklings before and still believes fighting the inklings and stealing their power sources is the only way to survive down in the domes, as he is used to the way things were before, but at the moment when they team up against Mr Grizz and when the inklings and the awakened octos save the Octarian army too from the fuzzy ooze, Octavio and the Octarian army finally sees that they CAN have common ground and live alongside the inklings in harmony, and that everyone, is the fate of the events of the splattastic saga. What’s also funny in the change of modern views between like civilisations is that disputes between inklings and octos would be settled with wars but with disputes between splatsville and inkoplis it’s settled with rap battles (Frye and Pearl), and this is also reminiscent too of “the great turf war” turning into “turf war” which is more of a sport.
This is actually a really neat way of thinking about it! Even though I believe Octavio isn't a villain, I do believe he is a little arrogant in some regards. I wish I focused on his part in Splatoon 3 a little bit more, but I felt the video was dragging on a little. Thanks for the comment!
Call me a downer but I still doubt the way the Octarians are being "welcomed." Marina’s initial impulse after hearing the Calamari Inkantation was to leave the "oppressive" Octarians behind without a second thought. The first thing that happened when 8 got their memories back was fighting an inner hero in the form of their old enemy while the Calamari Inkantation blasted in their mind. Even Smallfry is affected by this song. Why? It's a song by Inklings, for Inklings. It's carved into Inkling souls and etched into others, their ideals taking center stage for a long time (Long enough that Pearl was ready to kill Octavio because she thought he overworked Marina.) 8 escaped this fate, but had to hide that fact because of the Squidbeaks. Where they stand now feels less like peace and more like surrender
Wow! You actually cooked a 5-star gourmet with this video! We rarely see content like this that address these kinds of topics! I’m in agreement about Octavio. While he has done some very questionable things, his ultimate motivation was always for the benefit of his people and to give them a sense of morale, hope, and discipline as they are living in desolate conditions and quite frankly were exiled and left to ROT there by the inklings after the great turf war all those years ago, with no kind of supporting aid or at least some kind of possible peace treaty and diplomacy. Nothing. Just left to fend for themselves. This ties into why Octavios mind frame is the way it is and why things were militarized so as not to remain vulnerable. As for the Squidbeak Splatoon, their motivations are also understandable, the city was running low on power and they needed to get the Zapfish back. Simple. They were pretty much getting a taste of what it was like living low on power. But I’d argue their actions were also questionable too and they are not completely in the right either for certain. It’d be cool if there was a video that addressed this particular topic as well. Keep cooking Dude!! This is fantastic ❤
Thanks for the comment! That's one of my favorite parts of Splatoon's storyline. During the Great Turf War, neither side were the good/bad guys, they were both just fighting for survival.
10:50 I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Seemingly, all that they're doing is implementing the Octarian within the machine to control it. And it's a reversible process since we clearly see from the figure in the Sunken Scroll and the scar that the boss tentacle has in the story mode that it's Octavio controlling the bosses from within, and he's back to normal for the final boss so it's fine.
I should have mentioned how it seemed like Octavio's tentacle in the machine, in the end, I don't think it's that bad of a thing to do. Thanks for commenting!
If there is something that bothers me about the Splatoon 3's Jukebox of the Lobby, it is that it does NOT recognize DJ Octavio in Calamari Inkantation 3MIX despite his unexpected participation in the Final Battle and certain parts of him that HIMSELF put in the same Squid Sisters' version
Gotta give props to Nintendo for creating this great story about grey morality and misunderstandings between 2 tribes. It kinda reminds me of Ever After High and their story. There's actually quite a few similarities between the two pieces of media. While they both were made with the purpose of selling merchandise to consumers, they didn't do a half-baked job in doing so. Both of them have well crafted stories about grey morality and how there's two sides to every story. In Ever After High, the children of classic fairytales are expected to follow in the footsteps of their parents. Raven, the main protagonist and the daughter of the evil queen(the one from Snow White), doesn't want to do what's expected of her because she wants to live her life the way she wants to. Apple, her storybook counterpart, and Snow White's daughter, doesn't mind doing what's expected of her because her life isn't so bad. Raven doesn't want to be told how to live her life based on who her mother is but doesn't want to hurt her friends by doing so. Apple isn't bothered to see things from Raven's perspective and just thinks she's being selfish for not pledging to do what she's expected to do. Neither character is right or wrong for wanting something different than the other person. The same principle can be applied here. DJ Octavio may do some bad things, but he just does them to ensure that his tribe doesn't deteriorate, which does make him a good leader because at the end of the day, he cares about his tribe and just wants them to survive. He doesn't do evil things for the sake of being evil. He does them to cater to the needs of his people. The Inklings also aren't in the wrong either. They just interpret things differently. They just think DJ Octavio is being evil and taking his revenge, but that's not true. It's a really great and well written story, and I'm glad they got to have a happy conclusion in Splatoon 3, where both tribes set aside their differences and lay their feuding tensions in the past. In fact, i think this great story is one of the reasons why Splatoon was as successful as it is. I can't wait to see what happens next in the story of the Splatoon universe because more is definitely going to come, and now that Splatoon 3 marks the "end of a story arc" I wonder what other arcs Nintendo has planned for our marine creatures. Maybe they go up against a new threat or something. I'm just hoping they don't go with "Oh no, the great Zapfish is stolen. Let's go on a quest to get it back" because that storyline should be over by now, but we'll see
Apparently, during the Chaos Vs. Order final fest, Octavio was on the side of chaos while the Octarians was on the side of Order, something about only wanting to see the light.
I dunno, I'm pretty sure the deadly DJ is a fun-loving guy. He built a 24 hour theme park, employed Callie to help redecorate Octopia (Which is what I'm calling Octo Canyon/Valley.), and built a giant mech that also doubles as a DJ booth. He's probably got a screw loose, but he's not really a War Lord. He cares about his people and wants them to be happy, which may be why he hasn't gone after anyone who's deserted after hearing the calamari inkantation. Hell, we see him dancing to that heavenly melody as well, so he probably has that same desire Marina and the others have, but as the ruler of the Octarians he cannot leave, plus he probably thinks that if he did, he'd be killed or something.
@@goldengamer6474maybe it's a parallel to side order, where the octarian engineers desires tainted the memverse and created order. while our protagonists are seen as chaotic by order. coincidence that octavio is on the side of chaos?
@@goldengamer6474Frankly I think it's the opposite. I take that as he wants to see change for the betterment of his people, as we've seen him willing to give his life for that cause, while his people value their lives and have given up the gamble between a better life and total destruction
I can see them make octos and squids join forces for another big threat in splatoon 4 orrrr the octos finally reach their breaking point i wouldnt be surprised if a octo team like the squid sisters rises up for one last push towards the surface. making it the first all octo singing group making it finally reach a peaceful ending with a merger of the two groups. squidlings and octolings finally living in harmony again
@@goldengamer6474 this is what people forget. Octavio is a villian of the Inkling's making. Evil? Yes. You don't make God forsaken cybernetic abominations out of your own people for the purposes of warmongering and claim to not be evil. It is how he became evil that makes things interesting.
@@TheNelman As said by other people, the Great Octoweapons aren't made from his people, they are actually made by pieces from Octavio himself. Obviously Octavio isn't a great person, I never claimed that. He's also not a villain, he's doing what it takes for his people to survive, it's a horrible situation that really isn't anyone's fault.
@@goldengamer6474 I'm referring to some of the lesser troopers. Like octostamps or octoblimps. And even then, the octo bosses and weapons are still seperate entities even if derived from him. It's basically making his children into war machines.
There is no right or wrong war there are just shades of gray where each leader needs to pick the lightest shade that can let them win and save their side.
And Freddy Fazbear on Splatoon 3 is just sad, considering the fact he's doing this out of loneliness and the squids where like, "No. You ain't resurrecting your friends back". I know he's also gonna try extinct squid children. But still, he doesn't deserve to just rob his loved ones either.
I do think that Grizz is sort of a sad character, so I'm glad he's kind of came to terms with how the world is now at the end of Return of the Mammalians.
@goldengamer6474 He didn't able to say goodbye to Papa Bear and Mama Bear because North Korea, Russia, China, and America are such an assholes to nuke everything and just taking everything. Those 4 countries definitely had small dick energy than Commander Tartar.
@@goldengamer6474 And bro didn't able say goodbye to Papa Bear and Mama Bear all because North Korea, Russia, China, and America completely decided to nuke everything out of bitter reasons. Those 4 countries definitely displayed a much small dick energy than Commander Tartar.
well about the marina thing... craig did the same since callie and marie were recruited by him when they were 7 after wining the singing contest, even marie mention this in splatoon 2 by saying that when they were 7 callie recruited her as agent 2 by hitting her in the head with a bugnet leaving a scar, so yeah, in splat 1 they have been fighting the octarians for 10 years straight
You know, the first time I played splatoon I noticed something, when the octarians came, as far as we can tell, all they did was take Zapfish, but when we go to the octarians place, we don’t just retrieve the Zapfish, we massacre hundreds of octarians, most of which weren’t even involved in stealing the Zapfish, I mean seriously, we go to THEIR territory, and now suddenly WE have the right to attack THEM, considering how strict and desperate their society may be, the octarians guards literally just doing their jobs standing in one position, may not of even had much of choice, no, these poor guards didn’t deserve to die, and we don’t see any little octo spirit come out of them so it’s possible (although admittedly not confirmed) that they don’t respawn, and even though you can just sneak around them you’re congratulated for killing them, I mean come on, that’s messed up. Although overall, I would say that both inklings and octarians are not really good or bad, just 2 different sides fighting for survival. Also, unrelated topic, inklings and especially octarians are said to be quite smart, but if you really observe them, you can realise that a lot of things about them are actually quite dumb.
I feel bad going back playing the old games and splatting them, knowing that they could have lived a life on the surface after Octo Expansion. Though, I thought they did release little octo spirits when they died? But I don't 100% remember. I agree that the Inklings and Octarians aren't good or bad, just fighting for survival. I think they (at least the Inklings) aren't dumb, just really, really lazy. The Octolings also aren't dumb imo, but I don't think they're lazy either.
@@goldengamer6474, let me explain some of the dumb things both of them do. Inklings, 1. Put zero security around the Zapfish, even when they have been stolen multiple times. 2. You can tell that they probably just reverse engineered technology, since if they were smart enough to make the tech that they have then they would have been able to make solar panels, which, as an engineer, I can confirm are extremely simple, and we know exist in Splatoon, as we see the NILS statue has them. 3. Base huge amounts of their culture, e.g. splatfests, off of a single old telephone. Octolings 1. Despite having ink proof materials, they make a lot of equipment out of things that are susceptible to ink, for example, Octarian shields were completely ink proof in Splatoon 1, but after that they aren’t. 2. Octolings wear Armor that is literally useless, it’s just a few strips over the chest, is probably not ink proof either, and half their skin is exposed anyway, this is a supposed military. 3. If you look below, there are a lot of unused spaces below the floating platforms which octarians could use instead, but they decide to use their platforms that probably use up quite a bit of power, I mean seriously, what were they thinking? ‘Hey we have a power crisis, oo I know, let’s make a load of unnecessary platforms and expend a lot of energy’ they probably reverse engineered everything too, I mean they have huge showers on wheels, and floating platforms, if they were really smart enough to make those themselves, they would of been able to make solar panels, sure some places are underground, but you could put them above the ground instead, and something else, despite the fact that they clearly die when falling off the floating platforms, it seems octarians aren’t smart enough to invent something as simple as hand rails. 4. After they steal the Zapfish once, a SINGLE inkling comes and takes them all back and takes out hundreds of their soldiers, and not a seasoned military commando veteran, all it took for the inklings to do a huge blow to the octarian MILITARY was a literal 14 year old sports girl who was literally JUST hired, you’d think that they would have enough pattern recognition to realise that stealing from the inklings is going to cause more problems than it solves but nope, they just think ‘Let’s once again steal the Zapfish from the species where ONE of them can take us all out, what could possibly go wrong?’ You’ve got to admit, that’s not very smart. 5. The great octo weapons and armaments are designed in a way where their weak points are exposed when they attack, or all the time, they could just design them so that they aren’t, but no, weak octo arm exposure it is. 6. Many of their weapons, like flooders are very impractical, instead of literal showers on legs, the could make very long ranged faster shooting guns, but don’t, they waste huge amounts of resources on the most useless things possible, And don’t get me started on the octo troopers guns they shoot slow shots that take more than 1 second to move a few feet, you can literally watch the shot approach you, then slowly walk out the way. I could show you more for each, but I don’t need to, I think my point had been made. Although I would like to point out one more. How pearl Marina and eight fought TarTar, It’s overly complicated and risky, Shoot Bombs that DON’T auto detonate(technically making them not bombs), not all at once but at specific times after each other, have eight do life threatening stunts that will take almost as long to do as the weapon takes to charge, then get pearl to fire the killer wail. And on top of that, pearl says she is ready a fair bit before the statue is fully charged, yet decides to wait until the last second to use it, why?, to show off Hey Bob, why did Inkopolis get destroyed, well Jeffrey, pearl didn’t want to look like a dork.
Do they? I guess it would make sense considering they are the descendants of squids and octopi, though aren't Cuttlefish and Octavio over 100 years old?
@@Skogloverofficail I'm not 100% sure of how old they can get, though I do know they can increase their lifespan by drying themselves out, or something along those lines.
The Japanese and English have different translations. While in the English version of Octo Expansion calls Octo Society oppressive in the Japanese version it doesn’t say anything about Octo Society being oppressive
On the whole "Octarian massacre" thing, I have this headcanon that Octavio has several spawn points set up at his base of operations for the foot soldiers that fall in combat. Also, whose favorite antagonist would be Grizz after all the suffering he put us through back in Splat2?
Think of Marina and the other Octarians' military training like a curriculum. Every society has a different curriculum for their own needs. Octo Valley is a desolate wasteland watched over by the leader of the opposing side of a war and ridden with booby traps designed to keep the Octarians in line. The first thing they'd want to teach their young is how to defend themselves, and potentially beyond that, serve and protect their people (Though in Acht and Marina's case, of course there are other ways to contribute to Octarian society like internal security and engineering)
I never thought of their time in the military as a sort of safety training, but I do feel that there has to have been better ways then what Octavio went for. Of course, I still don't think this makes him a bad person, just someone who made a couple questionable decisions at times.
Why do you only have a small amout of subs and your posting bangers like this? You doing to much my guy, i'm all here for it. Do you take suggestions for games to make lore videos about?
@@goldengamer6474 dude, if you've played this game I'd be amazed. Mad World for the Wii is one game I'd love to see a lore video about. Or the sequel, Max Anarchy. Both games are very underrated. Max Anarchy had pretty bad sales so it people ignore that game. I've been trying to tell as many RUclipsrs about it as possible to get it as popular as possible. I must say Mad World is very PG but Max Anarchy isn't as PG. Both games have my favorite video game character: The Black Baron. If you made a video on this I would be super happy, thanks for taking the time to read this, and I enjoy your videos.
Instead of Splatoon 2's story being a copy and paste from Splatoon 1, i was thinking a better story line would go like this: scientists accidentally make some sort of corrupted ink, and the scientists, not wanting anyone to get a hold of it, threw it into the lakes of piranha pit, then The Great Zapfish gets exposed to the corrupted ink and the Zapfish becomes hyperintelligent and evil and plans to overthrow the inkling society for failing to protect it. its a terrible story but its better than a copy and paste of Splatoon 1.
I’m just thinking “Can’t the inklings re-invent solar power??” Then I remembered they’re… Not very bright. That’s more Octarian-level smarts. I’m sure they’d re-invent solar power… IF THEY HAD ACCESS TO THE SUN!
I definitely believe that the Inklings weren't very educated about the Octarians, so nobody even really thought about just letting them have the Zapfish. Plus, why use solar power when the Great Zapfish produces all the power they need with seemingly no consequences? The Octarians def would use Solar power if they could, but as you said, no sun down in the domes lmao.
Where the hell was Octavio in between the beginning of return of the mammalians and the ending? We know he fell into alterna with Captain Cuttlefish and Agent 3, so was he in the orange Cube thing repairing his mech?
I don't feel like a villain playing as an Inkling, the Octarians DID steal the Zapfish from them, so it's understandable they just want to get it back. Of course, everytime I go back to one of the previous games, I try my hardest not to splat any Octolings because it makes me feel bad lol.
@@goldengamer6474 Okay, I’m not saying that the octarians are completely innocent. Side note: Splatoon would be very different game if Cuttlefish was younger because apparently the earlier generations tend to be less accepting than the later generations.
@@goldengamer6474 yeah, like I'll be dead honest, seems like a very stressful job he's got. Like, sometimes you gotta do bad stuff to some for the better of the other I want more of this character so bad ; -- ;
Yeah, a plug was carelessly unplugged, turning off the Great Octoweapons. I believe I briefly mentioned it when saying how the Inklings won mainly due to luck, or at least I hinted towards it lol.
17:54 Acht supports what Smollusk says (eg the Octarian world was ruined by Octolings escaping to the surface)? Where did you get that information from? Afaik Acht never says anything like that.
I believe she says something during one of your runs in Side Order, she doesn't specifically say that the world was ruined, just that the Octoling world was changing, I think. I 100% know she said something about it, but I don't 100% remember what and I'm kinda lazy so sorry for not having a super specific example.
2:55 brooooo now I really hate captain cuttlefish now I used to hate him a lot now I really hate him (Sorry this is my opinion if you like cuttlefish my apologies)
Fair, but I don't really blame him for this, better safe then sorry. It's not like he did anything malicious with it, he was just keeping tabs so he could to protect Inkopolis.
Octavio is definitely a villain. He has the Dr. Doom thing going on. Super Villian, or Latveria's hero, that's Doom. I really like Octavio because of this. It's an ego thing. The octarians could have easily developed solutions with their advanced technology before and after the war, but they didn't. When Octavio is at his wits end, he brain washes one of his greatest enemies not for the benefit of his plan, but to boost his reputation. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised he calls himself a super villian for street cred. Like rappers who go to prison or something. Any good press from his people, even post escape is all indoctrination. He called me a hipster. Not cool.
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YES YES YES I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A VIDEO LIKE THIS!!! This is so true!!! No notes on his character motivations, you NAILED them!
Some of the comments have already mentioned stuff like the Salmonid Trade Deal and the beginning of Splatoon 3, so here's some of my own thoughts on the things that you didn't cover! (WARNING IT'S LONG I'M SO SORRY)
First, the child soldier thing:
- One of the most recent Side Order interviews confirms that Octarian society can be kinda broken down into different "levels". Depending on an Octarian's skills, they can go to multiple different, specialized schools that suit them best! The standard Octotroopers and the like don't ever go to the super elite school that Marina and Acht went to. It's not a stretch to assume that the same goes for the Octolings, too!
- In the case of Marina, despite being stationed in Slimeskin Garrison and having been trained like the other Octolings, it's unlikely she was ever meant for combat! As a member of the Wasabi Supply Unit - as vague as that status is - it's far more likely she was put there to help with the Flooders and Great Octoweapons (as mentioned in her dossier log) using her engineering knowledge! Probably even in the "Propellerland" kettle!!
- According to an even older interview (one which I was sadly not in the fandom for during that time) all of the enemy Octolings we fight in the hero mode are adults!! Or, at least, significantly older than Agent 8 and the Inkling agents.
- Regarding "taking over the surface"... as far as I'm aware, it doesn't actually say that Octavio SPECIFICALLY had plans to overthrow Inkling society, (at maximum) just get revenge. That's why your comment about training the young soldiers to take over the surface kinda caught me off guard?
- ...All this to say that, while forcing (certain kinds of) young children to endure strict schooling and rigorous training is wrong, Octavio wasn't actually putting child soldiers directly into battle!
The tentacles:
- Another old interview talked about Octarian reproduction! While Octolings reproduce the same way Inklings do, the creation of lesser Octarians is done by cutting off a tentacle from the host! Since octopods in real life can regrow their limbs, it doesn't affect the host! And the "mini-brain" thing mentioned by another commenter explains how the Octarians gain sentience!
- A lot of comments pointed this out, but yep! That IS Octavio's arm powering the Great Octoweapons and Octarmaments!!
- Which... man. Imagine cutting off your injured arm, a constant reminder of the war and your own defeat, over and over to power more machines of war... only for it to keep growing back in its same, scarred state :(
- As for the sentience of the scarred tentacles powering the weapons, well... it's not too different from killing the fully sentient Octotroopers trying to defend their home, is it?
- Something funny, no shade intended since you didn't know the lore when you made the video: "They seem pretty compliant and willing to control" That's cause it's his arm, dude... (lighthearted)
Callie and the Octarians:
- Another comment pointed this out, so you already know this, but the Splatoon 2 relationship chart implies that, to an extent, Callie was NOT kidnapped by Octavio! While it's most likely that he used her weakened emotional state (as a result of her recent stress and loneliness) to coerce her into joining, she went with him willingly!
- This point comes from a post made by dr-spectre on Tumblr, so I'll copy and paste what he wrote: "Being hypnotized is described as having 'heightened attention, increased focus and heightened suggestibility.' You do not get put to sleep and become a puppet as popular media shows it to be, but instead you are hyper aware of what is going on around you." From this information, it's also debatable as to whether or not the Hypnoshades even controlled her to the extent that we think!
- In a similar vein, a wildly prevalent INCORRECT belief in the fandom is that the enemy Octolings' goggles are ALSO hypnoshades. It's been confirmed that the goggles are meant to enhance the user's senses, and play no part in controlling anyone!
- To stretch it even further, it's possible that the Hypnoshades are actually just fancy Octoling glasses, provided that the description of hypnotism and the goggles are so similar. But we can't know for sure! And it sure doesn't help that Octavio describes it as "remixing Callie's brain".
You didn't imply any of these misconceptions (which was AWESOME) but for the people confused about the Calamari Inkantation, or the role of music in general:
- Contrary to popular belief, the Inkantation DOESN'T free you from mind control! Yes, it's freeing you from brainwashing, but not in the physical sense - just breaking down decades of propaganda!
- Marina writes that many Octolings are still stuck underground. While this demonstrates that she views Octarian society as something negative, it also implies something greater - that is, many of the Octarians who heard the Calamari Inkantation DIDN'T desert. Maybe it was out of a feeling of obligation, or maybe they just liked how their life was. Either way, whether Marina likes it or not, there are undeniably Octolings who heard the Inkantation and just... didn't want to leave!
- Turquoise October music doesn't hypnotize, either! It's meant to boost morale and keep the soldiers focused. Now, is this probably used to keep them calm and more likely to follow orders? Probably, yeah. But that's the beauty of morally gray characters!
And, finally, some fun facts to finish it off!
- From one of the elevator dialogues in Side Order, Octavio was involved in Octoling education enough to have frequently gone on long tangents about the importance of working hard!
- Marina has a sticker of DJ Octavio's logo on her laptop!! She also doesn't seem to hold any resentment towards him (further evidenced by obtaining Octavio's palette, like you said), just like Eight!
- Multiple tracks within Side Order emphasize the previous point: Musically, Marina LOOKS UP to him!! Aside from the obvious reference to the Onward leitmotif in Unconscience, Onward can also be found in the tracks 0pt0ptic0n, C0ld St0rage, and even the ELEVATOR music!! Since Order took from the subconscious of everyone that worked on the project, it's INCREDIBLY likely that the musical references were a result of everyone's memories of the army. And while it can be argued that those tracks were only pulled from the other Octoling engineers, considering Marina was the primary developer of the Memverse, a significant portion of it was no doubt pulled from her!
- From what Smollusk says about Octavio's palette, I like to believe that he's still looking for his missing troops! Octarian society would've already proven themselves to be capable of functioning without his direct rule, as seen in the significant length of time he was trapped in the snowglobes, so it'd make sense if he was comfortable enough to keep looking for his missing soldiers instead of ruling!
- Octavio's palette's color chip bias is Drone (referencing the Octarian technology) and SUPPORT!!! :D
TL;DR: DJ War Crimes is my favorite character in Splatoon, even with all the messed up things he did... ESPECIALLY in terms of stealing the Great Zapfish (and the subsequent poor treatment of the smaller Zapfish), feeding his people anti-Inkling propaganda (evidenced by one of the Splatoon 1 Sunken Scrolls on the anatomy of Inklings), 'kidnapping' (complicated, explained above) Callie, and overall just being a super strict ruler. But even then, everything he's done has been completely understandable.
Because, at the end of the day, he's just a scared, traumatized old man trying to protect the people he cares about! And that complexity is what makes him so AWESOME and FUNNY! I love him I wish we could see more of him
These are actually really good points that I didn't consider while making this video! I'm surprised by and also respect the amount of lore you know about these games!
@@goldengamer6474 Ahh thank you!! All this aside, your video was AWESOME! I'll for sure be showing my friends this :D
I READ ALL OF IT MEME!!
@@goldengamer6474 JamieGamePlayThrough says otherwise.
Octavio just tried to do what was best for his soldiers, just without knowing what it was. And THAT’S why certain Octolings defected from his reign. They didn’t hold a grudge; they just weren’t happy and wanted a life more fulfilling.
Dont forget, in the beginning of S3, Octavio went after Cuttlefish himself, thinking he had kidnapped and brainwashed the Octarians, meaning he does care enough to at least go out of his way for them.
Exactly, he was in a significantly weaker state then usual due to the fact that he didn't have the power of the Zapfish, yet still risked going up against the New Squidbeak Splatoon despite getting beaten by them multiple times with it.
He mains a Splatling, that means he scientifically CANNOT be evil.
You know....
Fair point.
9 in 10 Splatling mains have no signs of evil. The remaining 1 is not a true Splatling main
Okay Splatling players are definitely evil
Someone was never gatekept by a hydra
But Octavio still isn't evil
@@GamingGreen21The Order Splatling is very explicitly *not* a Hydra, indicating that Octavio simply mains heavy splatling
Yes, finally, some talk about the story of splatoon! DJ Octavio, for all we know, was leading an entire society and army for over 100 years, all underground, with diminishing resources. Of course he would get desperate, but in splatoon 3, when push comes to shove, he was there to save the day because he cared about his people. Hopefully in some dlc or side stories or in a new campaign, we get to see more of Ocatvio and cuttlefish talk about their different views about the war and settle on a truce to help each other when the time comes
Octavio truly was a real one, he just wanted to help his people survive!
I really want to see more Octarians (Not just Octolings) on the surface in future games/stories. I also want to see more of Octavio and Cuttlefish interacting in the future as well.
@@goldengamer6474 A, it's pernounced DJ Oct-A-vio, the A says its name. B, his redemption is debated as it's unknown if he IS redeemed, on & off or if he helped defeat Mr. Grizz for selfish reasoning.
@@jamiegameplaythrough9485don't be pedantic, there's not one specific way to pronounce his name
It’s a good thing Cuttlefish isn’t like Major Chip Hazard from Small Soldiers or he wouldn’t stop until the octarians are driven to near extinction if he has an mercy.
As a kid playing Splatoon 1 I remember thinking 'Damn, the inklings seem to be doing just fine without the zapfish, since apparently they can even afford to throw huge festivals with tons of screens and stage lights and stuff, meanwhile the octarians literally need it to keep their already crappy homes from falling apart'
lmao I like to believe that they have backup sources that can produce enough power for a short amount of time, giving the Squidbeak Splatoon enough time to retrieve the Zapfish before all power goes out, but yeah, the Octarians def needed it to power their homes.
As for kidnapping Callie:
In the Splatoon relationship chart for Spalt2, Callie says to Octavio "Okay, I'll hear you out" (roughly), which could imply she went willingly to him/went willing at first and then got ambushed.
I wonder if she felt bad for the octolings and decided to pitch in and help.
Why the hypno-shades? Callie probably thought they looked cool.
One of the reasons why I adore Splatoon's story is the mix of morals. We are shoved into the perspective of an INKLING, and are told that 'Hey, the Octarians are evil!' and we believe that. However, through viewing the story in different lenses, nobody's really the villain here. I adore how Octavio's core to his actions is attempting to help his people live a better life, no matter how 'evil' it might be. The inklings have forced them underground, and ignored them, pretending they were gone forever. That's evil right there, but it's true. Both parties, and any party in this world, all have some issues with them, and because of the surface level perspective, we have to look outside the box to find out what is really going on.
Amazing work with this video! Octavio is one of my favorite characters in all of Splatoon because of how cool he is as well as his character arc through the past three games. You gave him the justice that he deserves!
I'm glad you also really like Octavio as a character! One of my favorite parts of Splatoon is that the villains all have somewhat understandable ideals, even if those ideals are still horrible, (Tartar & Grizz & Order). Thanks for the comment!
Basically zaun and piltover
There’s also the fact that they didn’t start out stealing the great zap fish first they made a deal with the salmonids for energy
True, I completely forgot about that while making this video.
I want to add to your point about Callie, it wasn’t really just a kidnapping. The relationship chart specifically states that Callie will “hear him out,” and it seems like she is able to go about her own devices in the domes (decorating them). She also definitely wasn’t doing too well during post Splat 1 / pre Splat 2, so I think it was definitely more complicated than squidnapping, tho I definitely agree w/ your points about it being to raise morale w/ his troops.
I think I need to do more research into the Squid Sisters after Splatoon 1, there seems to be a lot I don't know.
Thank you for the comment!
@@goldengamer6474Not only that, but the Octarians' infallibly literary naming scheme means Octavio used Hypnosis, a brainwashing tactic that only works if the individual originally wants to do what they're asked in the first place
if i remember correctly the kidnapping thing is a misstranslation
she willingly joined the octariens but i think the hypno shades were to force callie
to fight ? not really sure callie would willing fight marie but correct me if im wrong
(btw the octo samurai is canonicaly super fan of callie)
@@fernoagent8581Not sure what happened to my reply but Callie didn't fight us, Hypnoshades or not. In fact, hypnosis (As defined through the Octarians' infallibly literary naming scheme) wouldn't force Callie to do anything she wouldn't already want to do
About Marina starting at age 6, the wording seems to be implying that she's just going to school. Military school sure, but still school, not work. And Acht mentioning often being called to the instructor's office feels like being called to the director's office, kinda like at school so it reinforces the idea.
And Marina starting making weapons at age 10 seems to be because she's extremely gifted (it's also said before that how she skipped many classes due to how talented she is). This is not the norm for an average Octarian.
These are fair points, I still think some of it is a little shady, but I can definitely see where you're coming from.
Something I wanted to add about the octarians and Callie: From what I remember, in the arena where you fight Callie and Octavio (i think), there is a pink neon sign resembling heart with an arrow through it with some text beneath it. And, cutely, when translated, the text reads, "Callie!" For me personally, I think it's a massive display of how much the octolings love Callie, she's their favorite pink girl! :D
Callie 100% was a big source of inspiration and moral for the Octarian people!
This is not much but according to an official relationship chart DJ Octavio actully didn't force her but struck a deal with her it was entirely up to Callie and if you replay you see that callie went back on her and it's said she actully found alot of comfort with the Octo army
I completely forgot about the relationship chart while I was making this video, I really wish I talked about it now lol
I've always loved Octavio. Ever since i knew of him, i immediately made an oc loyal to the army, and who never held animosity towards him after moving to the surface.
Hes just a King doing his best with what he has for his people. It seems rough, but that's because it's what they HAVE to do purely to SURVIVE. They HAVE to be strong. They HAVE to be strategic.
He isnt evil. Hes desperate.
Exactly, he just did what he had to do to help his people, same as Cuttlefish.
Pretty sure the tentacles are Octavio's, since they have the same star mark. Also, Octopi ( I know that it's Octopuses, but I think Octopi sounds better) have "Mini Brains" in their arms, which is why some of the Octarians are literally just severed tentacles.
Oh, and the whole Hypnoshades thing was just made up by english translators. Most fans kinda just ignore that, since Callie canonically started hanging out and sympathizing with Octarians.
finally, My headcanon is that the military training is optional. Like how kids can be taught hand to hand combat but it's not a law.
Plus, DJ Octavio made a trade deal with Salmonoids. He gives them weaponry, and they give him Salmon eggs, which is what they used as power prior to Splatoon1. However, Mr.Grizz started a company to gather not just regular eggs, but their Golden eggs as well (Those are sacred and thus were not traded). Since Inklings were employed by Mr.Grizz, I imagine the Salmonoids informed Octavio that Inklings were killing them and stealing their eggs. That probably pissed him off, since Inklings didn't need the eggs, so why gather them?
it would only be in the third game that we would learn why Grizz was gathering Salmon eggs, and it was something nefarious, and something the Inklings didn't know.
@@PinkCupcakez25 There's so much to Octavio's character that I didn't even remember his relationship with the Salmonids, thx for reminding me! Also, I didn't mention it in the video but I think you are 100% right about the tentacles in the Great Octoweapons, the Sunken Scroll about them also mentions something about the tentacles being Octavios.
Really? As far as I know, the Hypnoshades were never a translation error… I’ll have to check that
Edit: Yeah, no, sorry, but all the sources I can find say that Octavio brainwashing Callie with Hypnoshades is canon. Furthermore, it doesn’t make sense for her to not be brainwashed. Sure, she sympathized with the Octarians, that much is true, but why would she work for Octavio against the New Squidbeak Splatoon, which included her beloved grandpa and cousin? And most importantly, why would Marie need to shoot the shades off Callie’s face with low-tide ink to turn her back? It simply does not make sense.
@@MutedAndReported3032 I always thought the hypnoshades for Callie not being a brainwashing device theory was weird, but I wasn't 100% sure. I think people mistake it for the ones the Octolings wear in Splatoon 2? But I don't know.
Good points about Callie probably not willingly working against her family and friends as well.
@@MutedAndReported3032Low Tide is especially interesting to me because it's the only ink to have that lingering effect on Callie (Not the green splotches while she's dazed.) I think Callie gets stunned not by losing the Hypnoshades, but because that's just how Low Tide works.
As for working against Marie, yes it's a hard choice to make, but that's probably why the shades were created to begin with. Callie knows Marie is set in the ways Cuttlefish taught her, proven by how she reacts to Callie going missing. They'd never hear Octavio out the way Callie did, so she had to use more than words to help set the Octarians free
He’s my favorite boss to fight and “why are you hitting yourself? Why are you hitting yourself while you’re hitting yourself?” it’s goofy.
He just wanted freedom for his people. He was the only antagonist who didnt want to kill anyone or mass extintion or anything like that. Is that evil?
No
Me and my friends all belived that octavio was just a misunderstood leader, especially my friend who adores him, and even i always belived he wasnt really such a "bad" guy despite how the game pictured him in the past games, glad to see someone else thinks about this aspect^^ good video
Thanks! I'm glad that Nintendo chose to make him and the Inklings on somewhat good terms after the events of Splatoon 3.
While some people still see Octolings as villains and Inklings as the true heroes I'm not joking people still think Octolings are evil, if the Octolings truly did go extinct underground that would've given the Inklings a bad rep basically showing they buried their enemies without any help or understanding, that would've been dark if you think about it
Yes. Thank you. Dj Octavio was never a villain to begin with. He was seen as a villain to the player and the Inklings, but in reality he was just doing the best he can to help his people. Although, I just wish we'd get an explanation on where he was after we fought him as the first boss in S3. Like, man straight up vanished till the very end. I mean it still caught me by surprise but I would've loved to see interactions between him and Cutttlefish. After all, they had history together. Overall, great work on your explanation.
Thanks! I was hoping that maybe Side Order would answer the question of where Octavio went, but sadly not.
in 3 artbook they say that he got stuck on the ventilation system of alterna
i mean the age thing is kinda bad, BUT we shouldnt forget that agent 3 was like 14 when cuttlefish sent them to fight the entire octarian army alone.
True
AAAAAAAAAAAW YEAH DJ OCTAVIO IS MY FAVOURITE SPLATOON CHARACTERRR
I think he's really well written, and deserves more love
@@goldengamer6474agreed, and that’s why he’ s my favorite splatoon character too
Bro saaaameeeeeee✨✨✨
Indeed >:]
Also take this with a grain of salt but It’s possible Callie sided with the octarians willingly since she was in a very low point in her life and the only person she had to comfort her was an octarian (seen in an art book) and we know Callie has no hard feelings towards Octavio and his people, if anything SHE LOVES THEM
I do find it a bit weird that she would leave without mentioning anything to Marie, or the other members of the New Squidbeak Splatoon, but I also believe that Callie liked the Octarians at least a little bit before the hypnoshades.
@@goldengamer6474Leaving without elaboration makes perfect sense when it's the Octarians and Marie we're talking about. Do you really think she'd hear even her own cousin out on this?
@@GamingGreen21 Yes
Another thing to note, is that apparently the original Japanese script doesn’t have the whole “evil oppressive Octarian society” angle at all, that was a thing the NA localization imagined up
In the original they are indeed just a society that is struggling with dwindling resources and a leader who is desperate to try anything to save his people 😢
10:38 the scroll's lore goes deeper than just showing Marina at the concert. It also shows Agent 8 next to the Octarian on Marina's left, meaning that both 8 and Marina left the army at the same time.
While he isn’t the best guy ever I do agree with your point that his goal isn’t necessarily power it’s just the safety and prosperity of his people. I hope in future games we can hear about how things have changed within the domes with them hopefully having no power problems and less child labor
DJ Octavio is so good that I have his badge on the first slot on my splashtag
Nice! I wish we could put more badges on our splashtags because I would 100% have him on mine as well.
I have the best reps of all 3 species (Callie, Octavio, Horrorboros)
I’m shocked you didn’t mention the Splatoon 2 character relationship chart, where Callie’s thoughts about Octavio are “Okay, I’ll hear you out.”
I honestly think that Callie, at least somewhat subconsciously, felt bad for the Octolings. I like to think that he at least talked to Callie before resorting to kidnapping.
I completely forgot about the chart as of making this video, now I wish I remembered it lmao.
in the splatoon 2 art book its confirmed do octavio only kidnapped callie to “boost his ratings.” some art also implies that callie went to the octarians by her own will, though its probably not canon bc its just concept art
I have sadly never read the art book, most of the stuff I based this video on was just from the games.
@@goldengamer6474i got them on a drive if you want them
Bro just wanted to do a collab
3:08
If I recall right, 6 would mean she's still a normal octopus?
If memory serves, getting their biped forms are their sort of puberty. So either he recruited a plain octopus, OR that age is since biped conversion. Unless I'm remembering wrong.
my favourite splatoon meme of all time is one that goes "society if those colonizing ass inklings didnt hoarde all the electricity" alongside that one image of a futuristic developed world, and its so true! i feel bad for the octarians, they are literally just tryna live
Great video!
You did really well on editing; the voice over/narration is clear with good volume, the background music isn't distracted and doesn't overpower your words, and what is shown on screen either fits the topic currently being touched on or gives something to look at without taking away or distracting from what your saying.
And, while I'm not an expert, all of you information you talk about is thorough and accurate.
Also thank you for putting time stamps for thoses wanting to avoid Side Order.
Overall great job! I look forward to seeing what other videos you have and/or will cooked up(This is my first video I've seen from you).
Thanks for the nice comment! I'm really glad you liked the editing. I try really hard to choose music that actually fits with the video, and try to make it quiet enough so (as you said) it isn't distracting, while loud enough that you can actually hear.
I'm glad you plan on sticking around for a while!
Dj Octavio and the octolings very much reflect the real world to me, particularly in the case of the dprk (listen to blowback if you don't understand)
Other reccomendations include loyal citizens of Pyongyang in seoul
@@techissus7449 I thought of doing a video about Octo Expansions take on Racism, but idk if I want to tackle a subject that big yet.
Honestly, the Callie brainwashing is up for debate imo
Fair, it wasn't the best thing he could do, but he could have done a lot worse.
I actually meant it's debatable if she was brainwashed the whole time. The brainwashing could have only been a final boss thing imo.
The fact that Callie is on good terms with the Octarians before and after the brainwashing casts a shadow of doubt on whether it actually happened.
And as we all know, Splatoon has always been a post-apocalyptic shooter...
This is a good video, but it’s missing a whole lot of very important information, and is using the dramatically changed US localization of the stories rather than the direct translations we have available thanks to fan efforts.
If you plan on covering this topic again, I’d recommend using the external developer interviews, Haikara Walker, and other such Japanese external media since they shed a lot of light on the story of Splatoon.
Also when in regards to Splatoon 2 and why Callie was even with the Octarians to begin with, I think it would be important to go through the Squid Sisters diary that takes place in between Splatoon 1 and 2. Callie was there by choice, she wanted to help them out since she felt bad for their situation. After going there once and seeing how the Octarians were living, she decided to go there on her own time away from everyone else and do what she could.
She made their lives a lot better, she made so many of them happy, she was more than just an idol to them, she represented the freedom and happiness they hoped to one day attain. The Sunken Scroll shows a peek at what she did behind the scenes, the reason however that she’s wearing those shades, is because she was going to leave them. She missed Marie, she missed her home, so she told them she was going to leave but planned on coming back, Octavio however realized that her leaving would only break the Octarians’ hearts and greatly demoralize them. So he gave Callie some trendy looking shades (that she kept putting on for some reason afterwards) which brainwashed her preventing her from leaving… and changing her personality quite a bit, was that an accident? Or did Octavio think that would inspire the Octarians? Or was that just his taste? The world may never know.
Either way, there wasn’t any malice on his part, I mean aside from the obvious. He never intended on hurting her, it’s the exact opposite, she was treated like a queen and worshipped by her adoring fans that are the Octarians. They didn’t know about the brainwashing, just that she chose to be there and wasn’t leaving for whatever reason.
Now while I don’t agree with his actions, both his and Callie’s taste in shades are spot on, they’re pretty cool if I’m being honest, they really remind me of the shades Avalon wears in LBP2. Does anyone else see the resemblance, or is it just me?
I know that there's a lot of stuff outside the U.S. version of the game I didn't touch on, but I wanted to keep it simple with just stuff from the game to make it easier to understand I guess.
I do enjoy all the extra lore the developers have given us though, I just wish there was an easy way to incorporate it into the games to make it easier for people like me to digest lmao.
I appreciate the comment!
Frankly I think the brainwashing was Callie’s idea for one simple reason. Look up hypnosis vs mind control
DJ Octavio is very much an anti-hero. However, really, so is the player.
It really does depend on your perspective of the situation.
It's worth noting that it's at least implied that Octolings living outside of the main Inkopolis area were unaffected by The Great Turf War. Splatoon 3's Sunken Scrolls show that Shiver's clan has been living in the Splatlands for generations. Mashup/Warabi of Diss-Pair is another Octoling with no known ties to Octarian culture. It's very likely that The Great Turf War only happened for Inkopolis. That makes DJ Octavio even more tragic- he just wants to rejoin his people who aren't facing the same energy crisis and prejudice of his subjects. Did he still do awful things? Of course. But it's a tad more understandable.
He's a splatling main tho so he's def evil./j
I should've thought about this before making the video, I take back everything nice I said about him-
Finally someone gets it!!! Massively underrated video!
I'm glad other people agree that Octavio isn't a villain! Thanks for the comment!
I’m pretty sure the Callie Mem cake is actually referring to bomb rush blush another favorite of octarians
It 100% is, I also believe it references Fresh Start, (the Splatoon 2 ending song) as well.
Bomb Rush Blush was so good that Octavio remixed it into a completely orchestral climax, the first one in his entire album
This is such a well put together video! Honestly I’ve always felt more for the Octarians more than I did for the inklings because of the harsh conditions of living with lack of power and resources. It’s morally grey on both sides but I still sympathize with Octavios motives and the Octarian society as a whole.
I think I like both equally, but I love the Octolings story on how they reintegrated with Inkling Society!
Thanks for the comment!
@@goldengamer6474 No problem! Thanks so much for addressing this! Keep up the fantastic work!
Of course I also love the inklings too^^
Lore wise the future is looking bright for the squids and octos now!
Octavio not being a villain makes perfect sense to me.
He's someone who was in theory, thrown into a major role before he was truly "ready" to take on a ton of responsibility.
The theft of the Great Zapfish was most likely a last-resort choice, since things were dire by the time Agent 3 turns up.
Ironically, Agent 3 showing up and shaking up the status quo lead to a long-term improvement of the overall quality of life for the Octarians, and we know from 3 that Octavio cares about his people. So if he ever found out about Kamabo... I know there'll be Hell to pay if it hadn't been paid already.
If anything, the Great Turf War arguably didn't end until much later than recorded, as it initially ended without a proper conclusion. If there was a proper conclusion, then we wouldn't have Octavio resorting to stealing the Great Zapfish on 2 occasions, kickstarting well, everything covered in the single-player campaigns (base AND DLC).
Seriously, all Octavio wants to do is make some sick tunes and look out for his people, and he'll do anything to make those things happen. Tartar and Mr Grizz... those two want life on Earth *dead* just so their ideal world can take its place.
Seriously, Mr Grizz yoinking the Great Zapfish lead to Octavio helping with the finale of Return of the Mammalians, as unlike Mr Grizz, Octavio takes better care of the Great Zapfish, only using it to power his Octobot King. Grizz used it to power an ENTIRE ROCKET!! aka that thing is way more energy intensive. No wonder the Great Zapfish is not looking healthy after the events of RotM, only looking much better after a few months pass by (trainline opening up to Greater Inkopolis back in Feb '23).
If we ever get a Splatoon 4, I'm OK with Octavio taking a backseat to all of this madness, and hopefully retired. He's long earned it in my view. I mean, being the main leader of the Octarians from the age of about 28 (presuming he's the same age as Cuttlefish and the presumption of the GTW ending exactly 100 years before Splatoon 1's events, with said events happening in their 2015), and maintaining the role for a century despite everything... yeah, he's earned that long overdue retirement.
I'm just now thinking about this, but it would be kind of cool if Octavio was one of the people that talked to you throughout the story, sort of like how the Squid Sisters or Off the Hook did.
Splatoon 4 has a lot of potential to say the least!
Imagine how cool it would be if Octavio and Cuttlefish settle their differences completely on Splatoon 4 and agree to unite both societies, with proper transport and shared resources
That would actually be really cool. Splatoon 4 definitely has a lot of potential.
@@goldengamer6474they announce the final splatfest happening in September
I think now that we have 3 games, and canonically at least 3 zapfishes powering different cities, it makes less sense for octavio to take inkopolis plaza's zapfish, especially since I kind of doubt the one in piranha pit is the same one thats in either inkopolis locations, since you know, I wouldn't think the zapfish could just, take a break from powering the city to go for a swim, it seems like more of an option for octavio to just, find another great zapfish in the wild
I want Nintendo to write more lore on the Zapfish, there's a lot of potential there, I will say.
How often do you think a Great Zapfish flies over a barren wasteland? If anything the Inklings could catch another Great Zapfish and give it to the Octarians
they are actually 2, the one from the plaza and square its the same
Im probably wrong, but i remember hearing something about order being manifested by the octarians' doubts
I like dj octavio because he care about his troops unlike captain cuttlefish
I think Cuttlefish does care about his Agents. During Octo Expansion, we can see him slowly warm up to Eight as the game progresses, and he also seems very worried about finding Agent 3 as well.
I think he's just old and kind of clueless during a few points in the story, so that's why it may seem like he doesn't care. I still have a lot of respect for Cuttlefish, (Same with Octavio).
I think Cuttlefish absolutely does care about his agents (OG Agent 3 especially) but I second Octavio being a great boss though.
I ultimately think it comes down to societal views over time. Back then, the only way for the Octarians to survive down in those domes was fighting back and stealing their power sources due to the inklings arrogance in not supporting them. But now, with societal changes in inklings with them becoming more welcoming and more friendly in terms of their views towards Octarians, with Marina being an example of this as they realised Octarians can be good with Marina existing, the Octarians who have opened their eyes due to the inkantation feel that what the Octarian like government and military were doing was wrong if the inklings are being so welcoming to them now more than before, of course they didn’t know what it was like before. Whereas DJ Octavio, still believes that fighting is the only way and his arrogancy grows just like the inklings before and still believes fighting the inklings and stealing their power sources is the only way to survive down in the domes, as he is used to the way things were before, but at the moment when they team up against Mr Grizz and when the inklings and the awakened octos save the Octarian army too from the fuzzy ooze, Octavio and the Octarian army finally sees that they CAN have common ground and live alongside the inklings in harmony, and that everyone, is the fate of the events of the splattastic saga. What’s also funny in the change of modern views between like civilisations is that disputes between inklings and octos would be settled with wars but with disputes between splatsville and inkoplis it’s settled with rap battles (Frye and Pearl), and this is also reminiscent too of “the great turf war” turning into “turf war” which is more of a sport.
This is actually a really neat way of thinking about it! Even though I believe Octavio isn't a villain, I do believe he is a little arrogant in some regards. I wish I focused on his part in Splatoon 3 a little bit more, but I felt the video was dragging on a little.
Thanks for the comment!
@@goldengamer6474 You’re welcome!
Call me a downer but I still doubt the way the Octarians are being "welcomed." Marina’s initial impulse after hearing the Calamari Inkantation was to leave the "oppressive" Octarians behind without a second thought. The first thing that happened when 8 got their memories back was fighting an inner hero in the form of their old enemy while the Calamari Inkantation blasted in their mind. Even Smallfry is affected by this song.
Why?
It's a song by Inklings, for Inklings. It's carved into Inkling souls and etched into others, their ideals taking center stage for a long time (Long enough that Pearl was ready to kill Octavio because she thought he overworked Marina.) 8 escaped this fate, but had to hide that fact because of the Squidbeaks. Where they stand now feels less like peace and more like surrender
Wow! You actually cooked a 5-star gourmet with this video! We rarely see content like this that address these kinds of topics!
I’m in agreement about Octavio. While he has done some very questionable things, his ultimate motivation was always for the benefit of his people and to give them a sense of morale, hope, and discipline as they are living in desolate conditions and quite frankly were exiled and left to ROT there by the inklings after the great turf war all those years ago, with no kind of supporting aid or at least some kind of possible peace treaty and diplomacy. Nothing. Just left to fend for themselves. This ties into why Octavios mind frame is the way it is and why things were militarized so as not to remain vulnerable.
As for the Squidbeak Splatoon, their motivations are also understandable, the city was running low on power and they needed to get the Zapfish back. Simple. They were pretty much getting a taste of what it was like living low on power. But I’d argue their actions were also questionable too and they are not completely in the right either for certain. It’d be cool if there was a video that addressed this particular topic as well.
Keep cooking Dude!! This is fantastic ❤
Thanks for the comment! That's one of my favorite parts of Splatoon's storyline. During the Great Turf War, neither side were the good/bad guys, they were both just fighting for survival.
I absolutely LOVEE his character im glad hes getting recognition 😭😭😭
I'm so glad other people also believe that Octavio isn't a bad guy!
My fav splatoon villain is hypno callie
10:50 I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Seemingly, all that they're doing is implementing the Octarian within the machine to control it.
And it's a reversible process since we clearly see from the figure in the Sunken Scroll and the scar that the boss tentacle has in the story mode that it's Octavio controlling the bosses from within, and he's back to normal for the final boss so it's fine.
I should have mentioned how it seemed like Octavio's tentacle in the machine, in the end, I don't think it's that bad of a thing to do.
Thanks for commenting!
@@goldengamer6474 No problem ^-^ I know a lot about video game lores, it's like the one thing I'm reliable at ^^'
If there is something that bothers me about the Splatoon 3's Jukebox of the Lobby, it is that it does NOT recognize DJ Octavio in Calamari Inkantation 3MIX despite his unexpected participation in the Final Battle and certain parts of him that HIMSELF put in the same Squid Sisters' version
Octavio was a leader on the other side of a battle plane and simple
Exactly, not a villain.
Gotta give props to Nintendo for creating this great story about grey morality and misunderstandings between 2 tribes. It kinda reminds me of Ever After High and their story. There's actually quite a few similarities between the two pieces of media. While they both were made with the purpose of selling merchandise to consumers, they didn't do a half-baked job in doing so. Both of them have well crafted stories about grey morality and how there's two sides to every story. In Ever After High, the children of classic fairytales are expected to follow in the footsteps of their parents. Raven, the main protagonist and the daughter of the evil queen(the one from Snow White), doesn't want to do what's expected of her because she wants to live her life the way she wants to. Apple, her storybook counterpart, and Snow White's daughter, doesn't mind doing what's expected of her because her life isn't so bad. Raven doesn't want to be told how to live her life based on who her mother is but doesn't want to hurt her friends by doing so. Apple isn't bothered to see things from Raven's perspective and just thinks she's being selfish for not pledging to do what she's expected to do. Neither character is right or wrong for wanting something different than the other person. The same principle can be applied here. DJ Octavio may do some bad things, but he just does them to ensure that his tribe doesn't deteriorate, which does make him a good leader because at the end of the day, he cares about his tribe and just wants them to survive. He doesn't do evil things for the sake of being evil. He does them to cater to the needs of his people. The Inklings also aren't in the wrong either. They just interpret things differently. They just think DJ Octavio is being evil and taking his revenge, but that's not true. It's a really great and well written story, and I'm glad they got to have a happy conclusion in Splatoon 3, where both tribes set aside their differences and lay their feuding tensions in the past. In fact, i think this great story is one of the reasons why Splatoon was as successful as it is. I can't wait to see what happens next in the story of the Splatoon universe because more is definitely going to come, and now that Splatoon 3 marks the "end of a story arc" I wonder what other arcs Nintendo has planned for our marine creatures. Maybe they go up against a new threat or something. I'm just hoping they don't go with "Oh no, the great Zapfish is stolen. Let's go on a quest to get it back" because that storyline should be over by now, but we'll see
I also feel that this part of the storyline is concluded, and can't wait to see what else they have in store for the series!
I see him more as a victim than a villain.
Apparently, during the Chaos Vs. Order final fest, Octavio was on the side of chaos while the Octarians was on the side of Order, something about only wanting to see the light.
I think that more shows how at the very least Octavio is still stuck in his old ways at that point, much like many others on both sides.
I dunno, I'm pretty sure the deadly DJ is a fun-loving guy. He built a 24 hour theme park, employed Callie to help redecorate Octopia (Which is what I'm calling Octo Canyon/Valley.), and built a giant mech that also doubles as a DJ booth. He's probably got a screw loose, but he's not really a War Lord. He cares about his people and wants them to be happy, which may be why he hasn't gone after anyone who's deserted after hearing the calamari inkantation. Hell, we see him dancing to that heavenly melody as well, so he probably has that same desire Marina and the others have, but as the ruler of the Octarians he cannot leave, plus he probably thinks that if he did, he'd be killed or something.
@@goldengamer6474maybe it's a parallel to side order, where the octarian engineers desires tainted the memverse and created order. while our protagonists are seen as chaotic by order. coincidence that octavio is on the side of chaos?
@@goldengamer6474Frankly I think it's the opposite. I take that as he wants to see change for the betterment of his people, as we've seen him willing to give his life for that cause, while his people value their lives and have given up the gamble between a better life and total destruction
@@yoursnatchedweave641 I've actually never thought about that...
Octavio my beloved… yes he has child soldiers but shit is pretty bleak down there 😭
I can see them make octos and squids join forces for another big threat in splatoon 4 orrrr the octos finally reach their breaking point i wouldnt be surprised if a octo team like the squid sisters rises up for one last push towards the surface. making it the first all octo singing group making it finally reach a peaceful ending with a merger of the two groups. squidlings and octolings finally living in harmony again
Just a reminder: Octavio states he wants to take over Inkopolis.
Just a reminder: The Inklings forced the Octarians off of the surface, causing many problems and great distress for their people.
@@goldengamer6474 this is what people forget. Octavio is a villian of the Inkling's making. Evil? Yes. You don't make God forsaken cybernetic abominations out of your own people for the purposes of warmongering and claim to not be evil. It is how he became evil that makes things interesting.
@@TheNelman As said by other people, the Great Octoweapons aren't made from his people, they are actually made by pieces from Octavio himself.
Obviously Octavio isn't a great person, I never claimed that. He's also not a villain, he's doing what it takes for his people to survive, it's a horrible situation that really isn't anyone's fault.
@@goldengamer6474 I'm referring to some of the lesser troopers. Like octostamps or octoblimps. And even then, the octo bosses and weapons are still seperate entities even if derived from him. It's basically making his children into war machines.
I could’ve told all of you that.
Calling Octavio a villain is ludacris.
There is no right or wrong war there are just shades of gray where each leader needs to pick the lightest shade that can let them win and save their side.
hey this isn't fortnite what the flip
6 Hour Fortnrite lore video when?
Bro wtf💀💀💀
WHY WOULD
you know what...
Nevermind
This is better
And Freddy Fazbear on Splatoon 3 is just sad, considering the fact he's doing this out of loneliness and the squids where like, "No. You ain't resurrecting your friends back".
I know he's also gonna try extinct squid children.
But still, he doesn't deserve to just rob his loved ones either.
I do think that Grizz is sort of a sad character, so I'm glad he's kind of came to terms with how the world is now at the end of Return of the Mammalians.
@goldengamer6474
He didn't able to say goodbye to Papa Bear and Mama Bear because North Korea, Russia, China, and America are such an assholes to nuke everything and just taking everything. Those 4 countries definitely had small dick energy than Commander Tartar.
@@goldengamer6474
And bro didn't able say goodbye to Papa Bear and Mama Bear all because North Korea, Russia, China, and America completely decided to nuke everything out of bitter reasons.
Those 4 countries definitely displayed a much small dick energy than Commander Tartar.
I never really realized he wasn’t actually evil dang
He was doing what was best for his Octo kind
100%
A better way of saying it would be a hero in a villains body
well about the marina thing... craig did the same since callie and marie were recruited by him when they were 7 after wining the singing contest, even marie mention this in splatoon 2 by saying that when they were 7 callie recruited her as agent 2 by hitting her in the head with a bugnet leaving a scar, so yeah, in splat 1 they have been fighting the octarians for 10 years straight
And Agent 3, and Agent 4 lol
You know, the first time I played splatoon I noticed something, when the octarians came, as far as we can tell, all they did was take Zapfish, but when we go to the octarians place, we don’t just retrieve the Zapfish, we massacre hundreds of octarians, most of which weren’t even involved in stealing the Zapfish,
I mean seriously, we go to THEIR territory, and now suddenly WE have the right to attack THEM, considering how strict and desperate their society may be, the octarians guards literally just doing their jobs standing in one position, may not of even had much of choice, no, these poor guards didn’t deserve to die, and we don’t see any little octo spirit come out of them so it’s possible (although admittedly not confirmed) that they don’t respawn, and even though you can just sneak around them you’re congratulated for killing them, I mean come on, that’s messed up.
Although overall, I would say that both inklings and octarians are not really good or bad, just 2 different sides fighting for survival.
Also, unrelated topic, inklings and especially octarians are said to be quite smart, but if you really observe them, you can realise that a lot of things about them are actually quite dumb.
I feel bad going back playing the old games and splatting them, knowing that they could have lived a life on the surface after Octo Expansion. Though, I thought they did release little octo spirits when they died? But I don't 100% remember.
I agree that the Inklings and Octarians aren't good or bad, just fighting for survival.
I think they (at least the Inklings) aren't dumb, just really, really lazy. The Octolings also aren't dumb imo, but I don't think they're lazy either.
@@goldengamer6474, let me explain some of the dumb things both of them do.
Inklings,
1. Put zero security around the Zapfish, even when they have been stolen multiple times.
2. You can tell that they probably just reverse engineered technology, since if they were smart enough to make the tech that they have then they would have been able to make solar panels, which, as an engineer, I can confirm are extremely simple, and we know exist in Splatoon, as we see the NILS statue has them.
3. Base huge amounts of their culture, e.g. splatfests, off of a single old telephone.
Octolings
1. Despite having ink proof materials, they make a lot of equipment out of things that are susceptible to ink, for example, Octarian shields were completely ink proof in Splatoon 1, but after that they aren’t.
2. Octolings wear Armor that is literally useless, it’s just a few strips over the chest, is probably not ink proof either, and half their skin is exposed anyway, this is a supposed military.
3. If you look below, there are a lot of unused spaces below the floating platforms which octarians could use instead, but they decide to use their platforms that probably use up quite a bit of power, I mean seriously, what were they thinking? ‘Hey we have a power crisis, oo I know, let’s make a load of unnecessary platforms and expend a lot of energy’ they probably reverse engineered everything too, I mean they have huge showers on wheels, and floating platforms, if they were really smart enough to make those themselves, they would of been able to make solar panels, sure some places are underground, but you could put them above the ground instead, and something else, despite the fact that they clearly die when falling off the floating platforms, it seems octarians aren’t smart enough to invent something as simple as hand rails.
4. After they steal the Zapfish once, a SINGLE inkling comes and takes them all back and takes out hundreds of their soldiers, and not a seasoned military commando veteran, all it took for the inklings to do a huge blow to the octarian MILITARY was a literal 14 year old sports girl who was literally JUST hired, you’d think that they would have enough pattern recognition to realise that stealing from the inklings is going to cause more problems than it solves but nope, they just think ‘Let’s once again steal the Zapfish from the species where ONE of them can take us all out, what could possibly go wrong?’ You’ve got to admit, that’s not very smart.
5. The great octo weapons and armaments are designed in a way where their weak points are exposed when they attack, or all the time, they could just design them so that they aren’t, but no, weak octo arm exposure it is.
6. Many of their weapons, like flooders are very impractical, instead of literal showers on legs, the could make very long ranged faster shooting guns, but don’t, they waste huge amounts of resources on the most useless things possible,
And don’t get me started on the octo troopers guns they shoot slow shots that take more than 1 second to move a few feet, you can literally watch the shot approach you, then slowly walk out the way.
I could show you more for each, but I don’t need to, I think my point had been made.
Although I would like to point out one more.
How pearl Marina and eight fought TarTar,
It’s overly complicated and risky,
Shoot Bombs that DON’T auto detonate(technically making them not bombs), not all at once but at specific times after each other, have eight do life threatening stunts that will take almost as long to do as the weapon takes to charge, then get pearl to fire the killer wail.
And on top of that, pearl says she is ready a fair bit before the statue is fully charged, yet decides to wait until the last second to use it, why?, to show off
Hey Bob, why did Inkopolis get destroyed, well Jeffrey, pearl didn’t want to look like a dork.
Don't forget that there are things lost in translation by the dev teams, either on accident or on purpose.
I think I would have gone crazy trying to talk about all the stuff lost in translation lmao
Another reason maria was so young when she started making weapons is that octolings and inklings age faster too
Do they? I guess it would make sense considering they are the descendants of squids and octopi, though aren't Cuttlefish and Octavio over 100 years old?
Im not sure how fast they age but i think inklings only age to like 30 something and cap is just really weird
@@Skogloverofficail I'm not 100% sure of how old they can get, though I do know they can increase their lifespan by drying themselves out, or something along those lines.
@@goldengamer6474Though that is stated somewhere, Octavio lived around as long as Cuttlefish and he's still very well hydrated
The Japanese and English have different translations. While in the English version of Octo Expansion calls Octo Society oppressive in the Japanese version it doesn’t say anything about Octo Society being oppressive
I mean it still isn't... good
But neither are the above ground folks so perhaps that evens out
14:22 bro she is literally throwing bombs at agent 4 every minute or so
Finally someone acknowledges this!
On the whole "Octarian massacre" thing, I have this headcanon that Octavio has several spawn points set up at his base of operations for the foot soldiers that fall in combat. Also, whose favorite antagonist would be Grizz after all the suffering he put us through back in Splat2?
I truly hope so on the spawnpoints thing (RIP to all the octarians we killed, we didn't know at the time lmao)
Think of Marina and the other Octarians' military training like a curriculum. Every society has a different curriculum for their own needs. Octo Valley is a desolate wasteland watched over by the leader of the opposing side of a war and ridden with booby traps designed to keep the Octarians in line. The first thing they'd want to teach their young is how to defend themselves, and potentially beyond that, serve and protect their people (Though in Acht and Marina's case, of course there are other ways to contribute to Octarian society like internal security and engineering)
I never thought of their time in the military as a sort of safety training, but I do feel that there has to have been better ways then what Octavio went for.
Of course, I still don't think this makes him a bad person, just someone who made a couple questionable decisions at times.
Dj Octavio is just magneto
Why do you only have a small amout of subs and your posting bangers like this? You doing to much my guy, i'm all here for it.
Do you take suggestions for games to make lore videos about?
Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it!
It depends if I've played the game before, and if I want to do a video on it. What do you have in mind?
@@goldengamer6474 dude, if you've played this game I'd be amazed.
Mad World for the Wii is one game I'd love to see a lore video about. Or the sequel, Max Anarchy. Both games are very underrated. Max Anarchy had pretty bad sales so it people ignore that game. I've been trying to tell as many RUclipsrs about it as possible to get it as popular as possible. I must say Mad World is very PG but Max Anarchy isn't as PG. Both games have my favorite video game character: The Black Baron.
If you made a video on this I would be super happy, thanks for taking the time to read this, and I enjoy your videos.
@@HappyAntenna-TheBlackerBaron I've never heard it before, I may look into it sometime.
@@goldengamer6474 you can just say no my guy.
When people say things like "sometime" thats almost a "no, I will never do anything" every time
@@HappyAntenna-TheBlackerBaron I can see how that can be annoying, I feel it's better to just let people down lightly, instead of giving a blatant no.
Instead of Splatoon 2's story being a copy and paste from Splatoon 1, i was thinking a better story line would go like this: scientists accidentally make some sort of corrupted ink, and the scientists, not wanting anyone to get a hold of it, threw it into the lakes of piranha pit, then The Great Zapfish gets exposed to the corrupted ink and the Zapfish becomes hyperintelligent and evil and plans to overthrow the inkling society for failing to protect it. its a terrible story but its better than a copy and paste of Splatoon 1.
I’m just thinking “Can’t the inklings re-invent solar power??” Then I remembered they’re… Not very bright. That’s more Octarian-level smarts. I’m sure they’d re-invent solar power… IF THEY HAD ACCESS TO THE SUN!
I definitely believe that the Inklings weren't very educated about the Octarians, so nobody even really thought about just letting them have the Zapfish.
Plus, why use solar power when the Great Zapfish produces all the power they need with seemingly no consequences?
The Octarians def would use Solar power if they could, but as you said, no sun down in the domes lmao.
Finally, SOMEONE gets it! Great video dude.
Thank man!
Can I just say… he has a very unintentionally cute design. 🤭 (To me, at least)
Where the hell was Octavio in between the beginning of return of the mammalians and the ending? We know he fell into alterna with Captain Cuttlefish and Agent 3, so was he in the orange Cube thing repairing his mech?
Bro got lost ☠
I ❤️ splatoon
Same
Hey they didn’t mention Smollusk in the beginning😢
Rip Smollusk, to be forgotten
I knew it is a anti villain
Woah, the mem cakes are haikus
I don’t know about anyone who’s reading this but do you ever feel like we’re the real villain whenever we play as an inkling?
I don't feel like a villain playing as an Inkling, the Octarians DID steal the Zapfish from them, so it's understandable they just want to get it back.
Of course, everytime I go back to one of the previous games, I try my hardest not to splat any Octolings because it makes me feel bad lol.
@@goldengamer6474 Okay, I’m not saying that the octarians are completely innocent. Side note: Splatoon would be very different game if Cuttlefish was younger because apparently the earlier generations tend to be less accepting than the later generations.
Hear me out!
“Warcrimes”
"Guys guys, they may be supporting child labor, but hear me out..."
@@goldengamer6474Child labor or child drafting. You can't have neither
@@GamingGreen21 Society at its finest
"why dj oc- YESS
ITS MY F*CKING HOUR"
IM ONE OF THE 5 OCTAVIO FANS OUT THERE HELP 😭😭😭😭😭
Looking at the other comments here, I'm very glad to see other people also respect Octavio, and understand that he really isn't a villain.
I'm the third DJ Octavio fan
@@goldengamer6474 yeah, like I'll be dead honest, seems like a very stressful job he's got. Like, sometimes you gotta do bad stuff to some for the better of the other
I want more of this character so bad ; -- ;
Think about this if you defend Lelouch from Code Geass, then how is what DJ Octavio doing different.
I have literally no idea what that means.
Nice Video
Thanks!
Underrated
thanks profishhh
You earned a sub
Thanks! :)
@@goldengamer6474 :)
Didn't someone or something unplug some power source of the Octarians that made them lose?
Yeah, a plug was carelessly unplugged, turning off the Great Octoweapons. I believe I briefly mentioned it when saying how the Inklings won mainly due to luck, or at least I hinted towards it lol.
Some octairians are just green
I used to think the reason why Octavio kidnapped Callie was because he had a Crush On Her
That would be funny
lmao
I mean who dosen't like callie she cute😂😂
I would say “can you blame him” since Callie is best girl and all…
But then you remember the century-long age gap
He's as old as her grandpa 😰
17:54 Acht supports what Smollusk says (eg the Octarian world was ruined by Octolings escaping to the surface)? Where did you get that information from? Afaik Acht never says anything like that.
I believe she says something during one of your runs in Side Order, she doesn't specifically say that the world was ruined, just that the Octoling world was changing, I think.
I 100% know she said something about it, but I don't 100% remember what and I'm kinda lazy so sorry for not having a super specific example.
2:55 brooooo now I really hate captain cuttlefish now
I used to hate him a lot now I really hate him
(Sorry this is my opinion if you like cuttlefish my apologies)
Fair, but I don't really blame him for this, better safe then sorry. It's not like he did anything malicious with it, he was just keeping tabs so he could to protect Inkopolis.
Ooohhh ok. Sorry it bin almost a year since I had splatoon.
Edit: I still feel so damn stupid
Sigma
Bro who let you in here
Get out bru
Ligma
Octavio is definitely a villain. He has the Dr. Doom thing going on. Super Villian, or Latveria's hero, that's Doom. I really like Octavio because of this.
It's an ego thing. The octarians could have easily developed solutions with their advanced technology before and after the war, but they didn't. When Octavio is at his wits end, he brain washes one of his greatest enemies not for the benefit of his plan, but to boost his reputation. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised he calls himself a super villian for street cred. Like rappers who go to prison or something. Any good press from his people, even post escape is all indoctrination.
He called me a hipster. Not cool.
The greatest of crimes, calling us hipsters, lmao