He died an Anglian and never wanted to split from the Church of England. It was his followers that formed the Methodist church from what I know. A true Methodist revival is needed not changing words and becoming more like the world.
I was raised Methodist and believe John and Charles knew what they were doing because they were doing it for King and country AND for souls. It saved Britain from the French revolutionary movement and gave the poor a church where their emotions could be expressed in music and prayer without formalism. As he got older John was able to see already the ludicrous side...often complaining about "believers" who hated the gold in Catholic churches but worshiped the gold in the banks. He was greatly comforted when he rode through and met the little folks who stayed true to the original inspiration. This is the common trajectory of ALL revivals from St. Francis and St. Teresa to Methodism. There's always a sweet few here and there who live a Gospel life because of their inspiration.
This is another gospel, not one I believed on in 1990 when I became a Christian. The Methodist leadership should be made to resign over this garbage and using that demonic reference is beyond shocking and dangerous.
Well said, Rev. And on top of everything else, this drive by churches to become 'relevant' and 'inclusive' makes them a laughing stock among my friends in the pub. R.I.P. the faithful Methodist church.
The Methodist Church of Great Britain is declining fast. It would be a blessing if it was put out of its misery. I come from generations of faithful Methodists. Gradually, they left for more robust churches until I was the last one. After years of this woke nonsense and heretical ministers, I've left as well. I feel sorry for the Methodist faithful who remain unfed in such a woke social club.
It's not just Methodist churches. A Baptist Church in the city I grew up in has bragged recently on social media about their new inclusive constitution! The most offensive part is the following: "Our welcoming of everyone includes those who may struggle with our commitment to offering full participation to all, and calls each of us to graciously live together in the community of Christ regardless of our differences." Jog on heretics! "Full participation" of unrepentant "Christians" IS a false gospel of works! That means reformed, Bible believing Christians who believe in discipleship and church discipline are tolerated but not accepted as prophets/preachers of the Gospel truth. The process of sanctification is held in contempt in such places! Do not go to these dens of iniquity, so brush the dust from your feet when you leave!
To replace husband or wife with partner is to replace a loving relationship and covenant commitment with the language of a contractual business arrangement. No wonder the whole woke scene is so devoid of love and really only about exercising power.
Dan my wife and I were Methodist Local Preachers, about 10 years ago God made it clear we were to move many miles away from the Church circuit we were in. It was also clear we were to start something new. On our first Sunday in our new home we went to the local Methodist Church just around the corner. We were not well welcomed, indeed as a mixed race couple the assumption was that we had just moved in to the local Housing Estate! If our previous minister had passed on our details to the local Methodist Superintendent then that minister failed to make any contact despite living only about half a mile from us. We took this as God's final word to get out, having been concerned about the general direction of travel of the Methodist Church for some time social gospel, ecological gospel, inclusiveness without change of behaviour etc. Over the past few years we have watched with great sadness as the church adopted same sex marriage, non-heterosexual ministers and now this. The church has abandoned the gospel on which it was founded.
Theyve been drifting away for a while but this is both heartbreaking and bewildering. I made the most of my single years and I take my calling as wife and mother very seriously. They should be ashamed of themselves not only forsaking God and his word but also the legacy of Wesley. It also makes me think of all the sacrifices our brothers and sisters make as they stand for Christ un China , Hong Kong, parts of India and many places.
its ridiculous. It is of course polite when greeting a married man to enquire about his "wife " and her health - he would be offended i believe if one refers to asking him about his partner !
I’m SO worn out with this. That man at the end is disgusting. Plus. It’s time we ditched Stonewall. They’re blackmailing people joining up. Rev Dan. It’s making me feel sick. I’m lost. This can’t be what God wants. Bible Bible Bible
My mother was a Methodist and would be spinning in her grave if she knew what was going on in the Methodist church these days. I am Catholic and used to go to her Methodist church youth group when I was a teenager. The minister used to call me jokingly a Roman Methodist. 😂😂
@@countryview2020 no I'm not. Catholic church = Christ's church!! There is no other church on earth that is more true than the Catholic church. I'll always be Catholic. What church gives you Holy Communion every time you go to mass? Catholic churches have mass every day too, not only on Sundays. They are open all day for people to go and pop in to say prayers if they want to. How many other denominations have that?? We can go into the church whenever we like. Deo Gratias
Ironically, as this unbiblical ideology has become ever more prevalent in British Methodism, more and more faithful followers of Jesus have excluded themselves from this ecclesial institution. When I was ordained in 1987, there were more than 400,00 members in it; down to almost a quarter now and shrinking ever faster! God is one of those who have left.
So, if they are using Marsh as a reference point, they are apparently using the recommendations of someone who claims to be a Buddhist, not a Christian.
Even if one is not a parent of a child then it is better to refer to a Guardian than a carer . This fetish about always pretending to care but not guide and occasionally discipline children is causing society breakdown and rampant individualism
I read that the Methodists in the USA are in uproar at this new “gospel “ being preached. Many congregations will leave and form their own independent Methodist churches. Same will go for the UK. Imao.
I just looked up Rev Dan's YT piece on the decline of the historic UK denominations, and the Methodists going by their current 'growth' have about 20 years left.
No surprise here. I have found the Methodist Church in England is highly hierarchical and often does allow anyone else to hold a different viewpoint. Its directives are often heavy handed, complicated and simply create problems that previously did not exist. I have seen lengthy and detailed documents from its head office about virtually every other subject except sharing the gospel.
@@albertito77 the Church is not an institution but is the body of Christ. We don’t ‘go to church’ but we are Church when two are three are gathered. The problem comes when we are expected to support an organization that has gone off the rails. I am a Christened and confirmed member of the Church of/in England and older than both Justin Welby and Stephen Cottrell. The current problem is that the “church” is behaving more like an organization than an organism - we are part of an organic body and not a NGO or party that works for social and political changes.
The Methodist Church would do well fixing the hole in their roof (declining attendance) rather than changing the colour of their curtains because they are worried what their neighbours might think of them. I was at a funeral service a few months ago at a Methodist church and was told something like 'let us pray to God who he or she or they are. My eyes just rolled.
Shame he can't preach more about the gospel and worry more about his own church,he is evangelical minster in the church of England,he is not a Methodist and doesn't speak for us, he has his own flock
As a Born Again Methodist, you have to trust in the Faith of individual believers on these matters. Not everyone sees these issues in the same light, but the Holy Spirit guides us ALL. As to the Gospels being "offensive" I've heard such claims in Non-Denominational churches...perhaps a relic of the "Catholic Era"? Jesus' Death on the cross IS our "saving grace"...there's absolutely nothing offensive about that, except to materialists and egotists who are "better than God". As for "woke" language, does not the Holy Spirit "awaken" us to a higher state of understanding? You can deny the Holy Spirit all you like, but that "force" still connects us straight to the One True God (YHWH, name above all names
Shocking that they want to go towards the things that are degrading society we should teach children that their best goal in life is finding love and having a family. Its not like everyone is woke or lgbt what ever this is in aid of. Thats always going to be a minority of people. The best thing we can give a child is the structure Christianity gives. I agree Rev Dan this has nothing to do with the church
No, their goal as Christian, born again children will be to serve God and if that is a call to singleness then that is a higher calling! Paul and Jesus were called to this and were able to devote their whole life to serving God foremost! I honestly think it will be chaste, single Christians who will be able to call out this hyper sexualisation in our sick culture. We preach so badly on singleness and make the family an exclusive idol at our peril!
I grew up in the Methodist Church. Sang in the Chancel Choir...I watched the decline of the Church when the phrase, Open Hearts, Open Minds, Open Doors took over.
Unbelievably disturbing, it's a very slippery slope, this is playing with fire, they are putting the Churches fire out, extinguishing Gods Word with man's sinful gibberish. This I believe has yet to get even more depraved and could be a long time before, God, can be truly exalted, when lies and deceit and deceivers are replaced with the redeeming power of Jesus. Amen.
I saw a Facebook posting for some local landscaping contractor here in Pennsylvania USA. A local church disaffiliated from the UMC and the contractor did some remodeling of the church insignia. The post didn't say much, but it appears they might have become non-denominational.
Whatever differences in opinions about gender and sexuality Christians have, first and foremost I believe that we need to return to our roots and founder - Jesus Christ. Many ministers don’t truly believe in Jesus. Back to our foundations please.
I think you miss the point at 10:30. Not everyone who looks after a child is their parent. To address a letter, for example to "Dear Parent..." might well miss the mark. Assuming someone's partner is their husband or wife might cause uneccesary offence or embarassment. Being careful in our use of language and aware of the wide variety of human relationships is just common curtesy and Christian sensitivity. The world is changing and we need to be awake (the origin of woke) to that.
I'm not sure I am too keen on you delineating between "holy matrimony and marriage if they are married outside of church". The desire to make that delineation is based in the idea that holy matrimony is a sacrament, and that marriage is not, that marriage is somehow a lesser state since it is not blessed in church. This creates all sorts of issues. I was married in a non conformist church with a registrar present some 27 years ago. Under this assumption it perhaps hints that our marriage is not blessed as much as holy matrimony. Is my marriage less holy?
The gospel of grace is life transforming, the traditional families are the bedrock of life giving stability to bring children up in a stable life, 1 dad plus 1 mother are necessary to bring children into the world.
Sadly people and MANY CHURCHES AND CHURCH LEADERS in their mistaken effort to be people pleasers and "politically correct" choose to ignore hard parts of the BIBLE such as sin(now personal choice) and Romans 12:2-3 " BE NOT CONFORMED TO THE STANDARDS OF THIS WORLD BUT BE TRANSFORMED BY THE RENEWING OF YOUR MIND." As Christians we are called TO BE DIFFERENT and thereby show the world an alternative and God- lead life. Not condemning PEOPLE but Sin and demonstrating God's way of" love, joy, peace patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and longsuffering. "
To take note of these comments and suggestions is to agree with the ungodly, love all of them but hate their sin. To follow the WOKE ideals is to follow the enemy..
Hi Dan, please be sure to differentiate between gender (which are fantasies about a person's biological sex) and biological sex. Since gender is an imaginary identity, there are as many genders as there are unicorns. The issue is gender ideologues have succeeded in convincing people that biology should be ignored, and that feelings are more important.
The apostate authors of this need to repent and believe. Or face their inevitable fate. If they don't accept what I'm saying, then label me a bigot and come for me. I'm waiting for you!! We must be in end times?
I wish I was a God Mother to another Child or a Baby who goes to a Church of England in the Borough of Harrow. When I move to Reliant Care Limited near Rayners Lane Station with Supported Living. Amen Alleluia. Love in Christ from Jesus and Sylvia Nazareth.
As a new Methodist, I’m all for people being themselves as long as they don’t hurt anyone, but this is just silly. It’s making an issue out of something that honestly has nothing to do with the church, surely?
Having read the discussion paper, I’m not sure there is much that justifies the rant and just seems to be a reinforcement of basic common sense and respect. Move on folks, nothing to see here …
I hear lot's of "but's" in Dan's arguments. Whenever I hear a "but" it gets my attention. "Many of these groups have been marginalised by the church. That's true, BUT..." Christ is all that matters, and he lives in all of us. Words like Jewish and non-Jewish, religious and irreligious, insider and outsider, uncivilized and uncouth, slave and free, mean nothing. From now on everyone is defined by Christ, everyone is included in Christ. "That's true, BUT..."
Church gets more woke=Church starts doing better at following Jesus. The gospel is offensive to Pharisees. Maybe, if you have honest conversations with yourself, you’ll find yourselves following Jesus, too. Maybe the “woke” people have it right. Maybe you’re the one who needs to do the changing!
@@Irunwithscissors63 I think he did a video with a slightly click-bate title about leaving the church of england, where he says he's not leaving now but think it likely he will have to in the future if it continues in the direction it's going.
Thanks Rev Dan for yet another lurid, entertaining and highly subjective rant which I'm sure gets you lots of views and likes here on YT. EDI training is now mandatory and as a Methodist member I have to do it shortly and will reserve judgement until I have. It does seem that you are not just content with dissing your own Anglican community but have decided to turn your attention to mine. Would be nice if some day you actually said something positive...
So why are you here then? Enjoy trolling? FFS you have left 31 comments on this channel. Not just a troll but a jerk of one. You know this is a conservative channel but yet you keep coming back to spew your heretically inspired comments. Proverbs 26:11-12 ERV Like a dog that returns to its vomit, a fool does the same foolish things again and again. People who think they are wise when they are not are worse than fools.
@@johnhudghton3535 How Christian of you, John. Even a Bible verse to support your point of view, but I'd expect nothing less of a retired vicar. This channel didn't used to be quite so conservative. There used to be some interesting videos on life as a vicar and thoughtful interviews. There's even a video of Dan attending a climate change rally - how times have changed.
@@andrewlowe5102 just listen to your own hypocricy. What you have said about others you would like to see out of the C of E and yet you can't take it when someone calls you out. Well done for looking me up Mr Stalker. Would I guess right that you might be a Methodist minister perhaps? Oh and Jesus was happy to be quite direct to his critics so don't try to pull that faux politeness on me.
@@johnhudghton3535 It doesn't bother me, but it's surprising when it comes from the clergy. I suppose you aren't really any better than the rest of us, however much you like to pretend to be all smiles when pushing the CofE brand. Still, at least you had the decency to leave the CofE and spread your poison where it's more welcome.
Rev Dan does over-sensationalise some parts of the document in the first half of the video, and does ignore some very good sections. A bit of balance and nuance wouldn't go amiss. However, there are some very bad parts in this document, and some of the sources referenced are also of concern, as correctly highlighted later in the video.
oh change the record Dan. Do you ever talk about anything else? This is not preaching the gospel being so judgemental? What would wesley say about you ? hmmmm
@@michaelicornelius What do you mean by "god's ways?" How do you know that you're not blind and they can see? Do you want your leaders blind or sighted? Jesus said blessed are those who are blind but still believe...but those are the sheep, not the shephards.
This whole thing with the ‘carer’ mindset there is a potential this could be more harmful to children without their parents. They could easily be dismissed as ‘it’s ok. Everyone has a carer’ and not heard when they will struggle not having their parents through their lives.
What would Wesley make of it you ask? He'd be sickened, horrified and deeply ashamed of the denomination he formed.
He died an Anglian and never wanted to split from the Church of England. It was his followers that formed the Methodist church from what I know. A true Methodist revival is needed not changing words and becoming more like the world.
I was raised Methodist and believe John and Charles knew what they were doing because they were doing it for King and country AND for souls. It saved Britain from the French revolutionary movement and gave the poor a church where their emotions could be expressed in music and prayer without formalism. As he got older John was able to see already the ludicrous side...often complaining about "believers" who hated the gold in Catholic churches but worshiped the gold in the banks. He was greatly comforted when he rode through and met the little folks who stayed true to the original inspiration.
This is the common trajectory of ALL revivals from St. Francis and St. Teresa to Methodism. There's always a sweet few here and there who live a Gospel life because of their inspiration.
Churches which reject this nonsense and focus on the Bible and prayer are growing!
This is another gospel, not one I believed on in 1990 when I became a Christian. The Methodist leadership should be made to resign over this garbage and using that demonic reference is beyond shocking and dangerous.
Well said, Rev. And on top of everything else, this drive by churches to become 'relevant' and 'inclusive' makes them a laughing stock among my friends in the pub.
R.I.P. the faithful Methodist church.
The Methodist Church of Great Britain is declining fast. It would be a blessing if it was put out of its misery. I come from generations of faithful Methodists. Gradually, they left for more robust churches until I was the last one. After years of this woke nonsense and heretical ministers, I've left as well. I feel sorry for the Methodist faithful who remain unfed in such a woke social club.
The Free Methodists have been going for a while. Thats the only future for any kind of Methodist church.
It's not just Methodist churches. A Baptist Church in the city I grew up in has bragged recently on social media about their new inclusive constitution! The most offensive part is the following: "Our welcoming of everyone includes those who may struggle with our commitment to offering full participation to all, and calls each of us to graciously live together in the community of Christ regardless of our differences." Jog on heretics! "Full participation" of unrepentant "Christians" IS a false gospel of works! That means reformed, Bible believing Christians who believe in discipleship and church discipline are tolerated but not accepted as prophets/preachers of the Gospel truth. The process of sanctification is held in contempt in such places! Do not go to these dens of iniquity, so brush the dust from your feet when you leave!
To replace husband or wife with partner is to replace a loving relationship and covenant commitment with the language of a contractual business arrangement. No wonder the whole woke scene is so devoid of love and really only about exercising power.
Dan my wife and I were Methodist Local Preachers, about 10 years ago God made it clear we were to move many miles away from the Church circuit we were in. It was also clear we were to start something new. On our first Sunday in our new home we went to the local Methodist Church just around the corner. We were not well welcomed, indeed as a mixed race couple the assumption was that we had just moved in to the local Housing Estate! If our previous minister had passed on our details to the local Methodist Superintendent then that minister failed to make any contact despite living only about half a mile from us. We took this as God's final word to get out, having been concerned about the general direction of travel of the Methodist Church for some time social gospel, ecological gospel, inclusiveness without change of behaviour etc. Over the past few years we have watched with great sadness as the church adopted same sex marriage, non-heterosexual ministers and now this. The church has abandoned the gospel on which it was founded.
Theyve been drifting away for a while but this is both heartbreaking and bewildering. I made the most of my single years and I take my calling as wife and mother very seriously. They should be ashamed of themselves not only forsaking God and his word but also the legacy of Wesley. It also makes me think of all the sacrifices our brothers and sisters make as they stand for Christ un China , Hong Kong, parts of India and many places.
No wonder the churches are closed all over Britain
Well Dan. I’m a refugee from Methodists. This nonsense was beginning 10 years ago. Thank goodness I’m not there now
Wesley would rebuke them and take their memberships away!!!!
The Methodist church have been woke for awhile
its ridiculous. It is of course polite when greeting a married man to enquire about his "wife " and her health - he would be offended i believe if one refers to asking him about his partner !
Fantastic video. I’m totally astounded with what is going on in the church. Reminds me of the Israelites in Exodus
I’m SO worn out with this. That man at the end is disgusting. Plus. It’s time we ditched Stonewall. They’re blackmailing people joining up. Rev Dan. It’s making me feel sick. I’m lost. This can’t be what God wants. Bible Bible Bible
Stonewall was originally a mafia bar. As it was when stonewall riots began. I often wonder if the mafia let’s go of anything it owns?
My mother was a Methodist and would be spinning in her grave if she knew what was going on in the Methodist church these days. I am Catholic and used to go to her Methodist church youth group when I was a teenager. The minister used to call me jokingly a Roman Methodist. 😂😂
Nowadays, the Methodists seem to be becoming Roman in a kind of Bergoglian way!
You're definitely in the wrong church now. 🙄
@@countryview2020 no I'm not. Catholic church = Christ's church!! There is no other church on earth that is more true than the Catholic church. I'll always be Catholic. What church gives you Holy Communion every time you go to mass? Catholic churches have mass every day too, not only on Sundays. They are open all day for people to go and pop in to say prayers if they want to. How many other denominations have that?? We can go into the church whenever we like. Deo Gratias
@@lynncw9202 Give it time.
The crystal methodists need to put down the pipe
Ironically, as this unbiblical ideology has become ever more prevalent in British Methodism, more and more faithful followers of Jesus have excluded themselves from this ecclesial institution. When I was ordained in 1987, there were more than 400,00 members in it; down to almost a quarter now and shrinking ever faster! God is one of those who have left.
Many will come in my name. Saying I am the Christ and will deceive many .
So, if they are using Marsh as a reference point, they are apparently using the recommendations of someone who claims to be a Buddhist, not a Christian.
No wonder the church in general is losing members.
Even if one is not a parent of a child then it is better to refer to a Guardian than a carer . This fetish about always pretending to care but not guide and occasionally discipline children is causing society breakdown and rampant individualism
I always thought methodism was about reducing the ego and ceremony to properly worship God not promote the cult of the individual and ego
I read that the Methodists in the USA are in uproar at this new “gospel “ being preached. Many congregations will leave and form their own independent Methodist churches. Same will go for the UK. Imao.
I come from a long line of Welsh methodist worshippers, I am so done with them and the CoE shame the Pope has backslide too.
I just looked up Rev Dan's YT piece on the decline of the historic UK denominations, and the Methodists going by their current 'growth' have about 20 years left.
Just when one wonders if things can be any worse.........
No surprise here. I have found the Methodist Church in England is highly hierarchical and often does allow anyone else to hold a different viewpoint. Its directives are often heavy handed, complicated and simply create problems that previously did not exist. I have seen lengthy and detailed documents from its head office about virtually every other subject except sharing the gospel.
This is heartbreaking! And Against Gods word and The Bible! 🙏🏻
Satan's been busy! CofE is not far behind.
Jeffrey Marsh always reminds me of a crocodile emerging from a swamp (or marsh?) Children, you never want a smile from a crocodile!🐊🐊🐊
This feels like the proper end of it. Every denomination is falling.
The relationship between the institutional church and following Jesus seems increasingly tenuous.
Agree but please dont stop going to some sort of church.
@@albertito77 the Church is not an institution but is the body of Christ. We don’t ‘go to church’ but we are Church when two are three are gathered. The problem comes when we are expected to support an organization that has gone off the rails. I am a Christened and confirmed member of the Church of/in England and older than both Justin Welby and Stephen Cottrell. The current problem is that the “church” is behaving more like an organization than an organism - we are part of an organic body and not a NGO or party that works for social and political changes.
Well spoken Dan, I think the Lord will be returning very soon, praise God, or a revival .
So what happen to the commandment which states “honour your father and mother,”?
This is absolutely 💯 spot on. Thank you for sharing this. The Methodist Church no longer fears our Father😢😢
the other thing is that we do not use personal pronouns. If i speak I say you or I !
I love your commentary! Already subscribed to your WhatsApp channel 😊
The Methodist Church would do well fixing the hole in their roof (declining attendance) rather than changing the colour of their curtains because they are worried what their neighbours might think of them. I was at a funeral service a few months ago at a Methodist church and was told something like 'let us pray to God who he or she or they are. My eyes just rolled.
I guess they threw out Scriptural Holiness and entire sanctification long ago.
On my dog walk the other day, I said hello to another dog walker, a man, who mentioned his husband would be walking their dog tomorrow. No problem.
It seems that "As it was in the beginning, so shall it be in the end. I think that house groups may become the norm.
Horrendous, what is wrong with everyone, can’t they see how evil he is .
Shame he can't preach more about the gospel and worry more about his own church,he is evangelical minster in the church of England,he is not a Methodist and doesn't speak for us, he has his own flock
This is terrible. Lock up that man
God chose the pronouns of all humans .It is not for humans to do so
As a Born Again Methodist, you have to trust in the Faith of individual believers on these matters. Not everyone sees these issues in the same light, but the Holy Spirit guides us ALL. As to the Gospels being "offensive" I've heard such claims in Non-Denominational churches...perhaps a relic of the "Catholic Era"? Jesus' Death on the cross IS our "saving grace"...there's absolutely nothing offensive about that, except to materialists and egotists who are "better than God". As for "woke" language, does not the Holy Spirit "awaken" us to a higher state of understanding? You can deny the Holy Spirit all you like, but that "force" still connects us straight to the One True God (YHWH, name above all names
Shocking that they want to go towards the things that are degrading society we should teach children that their best goal in life is finding love and having a family. Its not like everyone is woke or lgbt what ever this is in aid of. Thats always going to be a minority of people. The best thing we can give a child is the structure Christianity gives. I agree Rev Dan this has nothing to do with the church
No, their goal as Christian, born again children will be to serve God and if that is a call to singleness then that is a higher calling! Paul and Jesus were called to this and were able to devote their whole life to serving God foremost! I honestly think it will be chaste, single Christians who will be able to call out this hyper sexualisation in our sick culture. We preach so badly on singleness and make the family an exclusive idol at our peril!
I grew up in the Methodist Church. Sang in the Chancel Choir...I watched the decline of the Church when the phrase, Open Hearts, Open Minds, Open Doors took over.
Unbelievably disturbing, it's a very slippery slope, this is playing with fire, they are putting the Churches fire out, extinguishing Gods Word with man's sinful gibberish. This I believe has yet to get even more depraved and could be a long time before, God, can be truly exalted, when lies and deceit and deceivers are replaced with the redeeming power of Jesus. Amen.
I saw a Facebook posting for some local landscaping contractor here in Pennsylvania USA.
A local church disaffiliated from the UMC and the contractor did some remodeling of the church insignia.
The post didn't say much, but it appears they might have become non-denominational.
Whatever differences in opinions about gender and sexuality Christians have, first and foremost I believe that we need to return to our roots and founder - Jesus Christ. Many ministers don’t truly believe in Jesus. Back to our foundations please.
I think you miss the point at 10:30. Not everyone who looks after a child is their parent. To address a letter, for example to "Dear Parent..." might well miss the mark. Assuming someone's partner is their husband or wife might cause uneccesary offence or embarassment. Being careful in our use of language and aware of the wide variety of human relationships is just common curtesy and Christian sensitivity. The world is changing and we need to be awake (the origin of woke) to that.
Can’t the person gently correct them rather than create a bland new language
Well said!
They would have to radically rewrite the bible - if that doesn't show them their blasphemy nothing will.
The CoE The Methodists and the Catholic church have all gone woke where does the true believer worship now?
I'm not sure I am too keen on you delineating between "holy matrimony and marriage if they are married outside of church". The desire to make that delineation is based in the idea that holy matrimony is a sacrament, and that marriage is not, that marriage is somehow a lesser state since it is not blessed in church.
This creates all sorts of issues. I was married in a non conformist church with a registrar present some 27 years ago. Under this assumption it perhaps hints that our marriage is not blessed as much as holy matrimony.
Is my marriage less holy?
The gospel of grace is life transforming, the traditional families are the bedrock of life giving stability to bring children up in a stable life, 1 dad plus 1 mother are necessary to bring children into the world.
The god of language police has arrived and consecrated in those horrid plastic cups they drink from. 😂
Sadly people and MANY CHURCHES AND CHURCH LEADERS in their mistaken effort to be people pleasers and "politically correct" choose to ignore hard parts of the BIBLE such as sin(now personal choice) and Romans 12:2-3 " BE NOT CONFORMED TO THE STANDARDS OF THIS WORLD BUT BE TRANSFORMED BY THE RENEWING OF YOUR MIND." As Christians we are called TO BE DIFFERENT and thereby show the world an alternative and God- lead life. Not condemning PEOPLE but Sin and demonstrating God's way of" love, joy, peace patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and longsuffering. "
To take note of these comments and suggestions is to agree with the ungodly, love all of them but hate their sin. To follow the WOKE ideals is to follow the enemy..
Hi Dan, please be sure to differentiate between gender (which are fantasies about a person's biological sex) and biological sex. Since gender is an imaginary identity, there are as many genders as there are unicorns. The issue is gender ideologues have succeeded in convincing people that biology should be ignored, and that feelings are more important.
The apostate authors of this need to repent and believe. Or face their inevitable fate. If they don't accept what I'm saying, then label me a bigot and come for me. I'm waiting for you!! We must be in end times?
I wish I was a God Mother to another Child or a Baby who goes to a Church of England in the Borough of Harrow. When I move to Reliant Care Limited near Rayners Lane Station with Supported Living. Amen Alleluia. Love in Christ from Jesus and Sylvia Nazareth.
As a new Methodist, I’m all for people being themselves as long as they don’t hurt anyone, but this is just silly. It’s making an issue out of something that honestly has nothing to do with the church, surely?
Having read the discussion paper, I’m not sure there is much that justifies the rant and just seems to be a reinforcement of basic common sense and respect. Move on folks, nothing to see here …
I hear lot's of "but's" in Dan's arguments. Whenever I hear a "but" it gets my attention. "Many of these groups have been marginalised by the church. That's true, BUT..."
Christ is all that matters, and he lives in all of us. Words like Jewish and non-Jewish, religious and irreligious, insider and outsider, uncivilized and uncouth, slave and free, mean nothing. From now on everyone is defined by Christ, everyone is included in Christ.
"That's true, BUT..."
Who the hell was that
2 Peter 2:1
John Wesley had a lot of issues tbh
The Methodist church is dying
Church gets more woke=Church starts doing better at following Jesus. The gospel is offensive to Pharisees. Maybe, if you have honest conversations with yourself, you’ll find yourselves following Jesus, too. Maybe the “woke” people have it right. Maybe you’re the one who needs to do the changing!
Why are you still there? I mean in the church
Rev. Dan is in the Church of England. The document he talks about is from the Methodist church.
@@martineylessame question applies.
@@Irunwithscissors63 I think he did a video with a slightly click-bate title about leaving the church of england, where he says he's not leaving now but think it likely he will have to in the future if it continues in the direction it's going.
@@Irunwithscissors63 ruclips.net/video/dE61tEdi_2A/видео.htmlsi=8oH1NF_G_RKJqSy0
If god was real there would be no need for any church.
I fail to see how your complaints relate to critical race theory.
Atrocious
Thanks Rev Dan for yet another lurid, entertaining and highly subjective rant which I'm sure gets you lots of views and likes here on YT. EDI training is now mandatory and as a Methodist member I have to do it shortly and will reserve judgement until I have. It does seem that you are not just content with dissing your own Anglican community but have decided to turn your attention to mine. Would be nice if some day you actually said something positive...
This channel is to the church what the Daily Mail is to journalism. 🙄
So why are you here then? Enjoy trolling? FFS you have left 31 comments on this channel. Not just a troll but a jerk of one. You know this is a conservative channel but yet you keep coming back to spew your heretically inspired comments. Proverbs 26:11-12 ERV
Like a dog that returns to its vomit, a fool does the same foolish things again and again. People who think they are wise when they are not are worse than fools.
@@johnhudghton3535 How Christian of you, John. Even a Bible verse to support your point of view, but I'd expect nothing less of a retired vicar.
This channel didn't used to be quite so conservative. There used to be some interesting videos on life as a vicar and thoughtful interviews. There's even a video of Dan attending a climate change rally - how times have changed.
@@andrewlowe5102 just listen to your own hypocricy. What you have said about others you would like to see out of the C of E and yet you can't take it when someone calls you out. Well done for looking me up Mr Stalker. Would I guess right that you might be a Methodist minister perhaps? Oh and Jesus was happy to be quite direct to his critics so don't try to pull that faux politeness on me.
@@johnhudghton3535 It doesn't bother me, but it's surprising when it comes from the clergy. I suppose you aren't really any better than the rest of us, however much you like to pretend to be all smiles when pushing the CofE brand.
Still, at least you had the decency to leave the CofE and spread your poison where it's more welcome.
Rev Dan does over-sensationalise some parts of the document in the first half of the video, and does ignore some very good sections. A bit of balance and nuance wouldn't go amiss. However, there are some very bad parts in this document, and some of the sources referenced are also of concern, as correctly highlighted later in the video.
oh change the record Dan. Do you ever talk about anything else? This is not preaching the gospel being so judgemental? What would wesley say about you ? hmmmm
Welsey would eject them - as indeed he did to many. The gospel requires us to point out when people are straying from God's ways.
@@michaelicornelius What do you mean by "god's ways?" How do you know that you're not blind and they can see? Do you want your leaders blind or sighted? Jesus said blessed are those who are blind but still believe...but those are the sheep, not the shephards.
If god was real you wouldn't need a church.
They’ve used that man!! What were they thinking!!!?
This whole thing with the ‘carer’ mindset there is a potential this could be more harmful to children without their parents. They could easily be dismissed as ‘it’s ok. Everyone has a carer’ and not heard when they will struggle not having their parents through their lives.
Rev Dan, it's Queer Theory too.