The fact that this dude was asked an epistemological question that happened to use gravity as an example and then said "I dont wanna talk about physics" tells me everything I need to know.
I don’t know it’s it even possible to prove the Bible as a whole wrong, but there’s plenty of verses within the Bible that HAVE been proven wrong by modern science; - Mustard seed being smallest -Plants coming before the sun - Age of the earth - how long humans have been on earth - bats being birds - story of global flood debunked by geologic column, etc And that’s just what I could think of off the top of my head, I’m sure there’s dozens more. The Quran actually got more right than the Bible and it’s got tons of nonsense as well.
Of course it's been proven right. It says there are people in the Bible and there are people in real life, which means everything in the Bible must be correct! Checkmate, atheists! /s
@@tonyfendex2558 Want to see the Ark? just follow the flies. Plenty of shit @ rotting carcasses there. Can't these religious business people get the replicas right?
I love how when Dr. Ben brought up the example of gravity and how when we didn’t know about gravity doesn’t mean gravity didn’t exist, Charles gets defensive and says, “I’m not going to get into a discussion about gravity…”. Charles, that’s not the point. Why are Christians not ever getting IT. Any point that’s made, their defense mechanisms go up to protect the VERY fallible doctrine they’ve been brainwashed washed with. Those who are Brian washed never think they’re brain washed. I was brain washed when I was a Christian and definitely didn’t think I was.
Charles talks very confidently about geology; a subject he clearly demonstrated that he knows almost nothing about, like so many other deliberately ignorant people.
As a paleontologist, I was pulling my hair out from this caller talking about the flood. Erosion, volcanic activity, wind, and organisms dying/changing the environment are all valid ways these layers are formed, we also can tell how these layers are formed from the molecules and minerals of the layers and along with the structure of the layers, fine particles=volcanic, lots of calcium carbonate= deceased microorganisms, etc. I learned this day one in my prehistoric ecosystems class.
Even if a mustard seed was thought to be the smallest seed in that place at that time, the son of an all-knowing God (or being that God) would know which seed is actually smallest.
Imagine my surprise during deconstructing when I learned this bit of info and it was one of the points that started kicking the legs from under my faith because I thought exactly what you stated
And if he didn’t have access to god’s knowledge and was just like any other human, then why tf should anyone believe he was the son of god? No matter how much they try to duck & dodge their way outta questions more are inevitably raised because the whole story doesn’t make any sense!
I took a bible class and college and for the text book we used one of Bart's books. 😂. The class had a number of Christian students and the material really seemed to catch them off guard. But I'm sure they just swept all the inconsistencies and damning facts out of their minds so their beliefs wouldn't have to be challenged.
A few weeks ago, the very dishonest (unrelated this time, she's just very dishonest) wife of a preacher posted an image that made me laugh out loud. It was a depiction of all the "fulfilled bible prophecies", that happen in the same book, and according to her clear overwhelming proof of the bibleness of bibling You may already see this coming. It was that pic we've all seen a thousand times linking bible contradictions with red lines
But the caller Charles would argue, "An 'Inconsistency' isn't the same as 'Wrong'." BTW. Can anyone tell me why these 'funnymentalist' christian dogmatic dopes almost always seem to a have an American Southern accent.
@@MrStringybark There is clearly some "wrong" given contradictory information. The resurrection accounts contradict each other in Mathew, Mark, Luke and John.
@@grantmartyn8877You wrote, "There is clearly some "wrong" given contradictory information. " "Clearly" I knew that already otherwise I wouldn't have made the comment I did. Let me explain; OP stated that Ehrman said, " there are 5,000 inconsistencies in the bible.". I then stated that in the minds of someone like Charles, " "An 'Inconsistency' isn't the same as 'Wrong'."" Help me out here. Explain to me how I could've written my original comment, which began with, "But the caller Charles would argue......." in such a way so that you could have understood the point I made more clearly because I thought what I wrote was straightforward and unambiguous.
In Monty Python’s movie “The Life of Brian”, there is a group of Jews discussing politics, and one asks “What have the Romans ever done for us?”… REG: They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers' fathers. LORETTA: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers. REG: Yeah. LORETTA: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers. REG: Yeah. All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?! XERXES: The aqueduct? REG: What? XERXES: The aqueduct. REG: Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that's true. Yeah. COMMANDO #3: And the sanitation. LORETTA: Oh, yeah, the sanitation, Reg. Remember what the city used to be like? REG: Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done. MATTHIAS: And the roads. REG: Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don't they? But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, and the roads-- COMMANDO: Irrigation. XERXES: Medicine. COMMANDOS: Huh? Heh? Huh... COMMANDO #2: Education. COMMANDOS: Ohh... REG: Yeah, yeah. All right. Fair enough. COMMANDO #1: And the wine. COMMANDOS: Oh, yes. Yeah... FRANCIS: Yeah. Yeah, that's something we'd really miss, Reg, if the Romans left. Huh. COMMANDO: Public baths. LORETTA: And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now, Reg. FRANCIS: Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let's face it. They're the only ones who could in a place like this. COMMANDOS: Hehh, heh. Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh. REG: All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us? XERXES: Brought peace. REG: Oh. Peace? Shut up! Caller: The bible contains no errors. AXP: Are mustard seeds the smallest seed? Caller: No! AXP: So the bible got it wrong? Caller: The bible contains no errors it’s perfect! AXP: You just agreed that mustard seeds aren’t the smallest seed, and yet you still think the bible contains no mistakes? The similarities are scary!
"Bible is infallible" *points to a flaw* "Doesn't count, the people thought that was the case." The level of unpreparedness for mere seconds being enough to show the cognitive dissonance.
Also, in science we don’t disprove anything but provide evidence for or against a proposition. In the case of the book of Genesis, we have evidence that there wasn’t a world wide flood that resulted in only 8 people populating the Earth, 2 humans that started human kind weren’t made 6,000 years ago, and all life didn’t start 6,000 years ago. Lastly, as I’ve said, we don’t disprove things, but it’s also not anyone’s responsibility to prove the Bible wrong but for those making the claims, YOU Charles, to show that they are true. I don’t claim that the Bible isn’t true, I just don’t believe many parts of it are true. There’s a difference. Not believing is different than claiming something isn’t true.
@@Arkloydfor sure. I saw this book called "new evidence that demands a verdict" or something like that. So I opened it up and the first thing I see is "how can I know the Bible is true?" The answer was just references to scripture saying that it's true. New evidence my ass. That book only exists to protect people's puny beliefs and help the author fleece the intellectually dishonest/lazy.
more then one error. 1 universe was made in an instant..planet earth was a labor of -6 to 7 days. same strange thing happened with the moon sun and start that were being created on the forth day..but the universe was created before the labors..so wtf why do work 2 times? The creation of vegetation proceeds the sun and the moon + stars on day 3. so how does that work exactly? on a -150celcius/-238 Fahrenheit/subzero planet? to me the impossible scenario where God creates the sun, moon, and stars on the fourth day they would only become visible after sunset on the fourth day. by then everything would be dead at least 24/40h i like the creating of light (in that period) without a sun, that's a magic trick all in its self i would like to see. anyway this is spiritual truth not actual truth ..all of a sudden.
So, there are really such things as talking animals, a flat earth, rabbits that chew the cud and mythological animals like unicorns and phoenixes? This caller's headquarters are where his hindquarters should be.
The first two chapters of Genesis is what started turning me after 35 years of Christianity. I'd read most of if not all of the bible during that time, but revisiting after a hiatus was a whole new experience. It was immediately evident how goofy it was in the first chapter of the first book.
how can they use ''well at the time thats what they knew '' that just proves that the bible is completely man made and not the word of god as god wudnt be limited by the knowledge of man at that time as he is meant to be all knowing and timeless,prophecies wouldnt be vague they would be exact down to the day and minute of whatever was meant to happen
Charles had only been on a 200 seat aircraft and someone told him 4 seat aircraft exist. Johns little mind wouldn’t be able to understand that concept apparently lol 😂
the magic in the bible is as real as that in silmarillion. caller should keep in mind that he is not talking from the pew in his church to his . . . peers!
The very easiest example of inaccuracy in the Bible would be the census. There was no census of the entire Roman Empire where people had to return to the place of their birth. That would have been A) hugely impractical and B) recorded elaborately in the records of the Empire.
Reminds me of the story of three devout men in a boat, fishing, when one of them remembers he forgot his beer on the shore so he hops out of the boat and walks back to get it. A minute later, the second guy snaps his line so he says "Forgot my tackle box, I'll be right back" and he too jumps onto the water and jogs to catch up to the first man. Not wanting to be outfaithed, the third man invents a reason to return to the shore sans-boat as well and steps out onto the water where he promptly sinks _"Do you think we should have told him about the rocks?"_
"It has been said that the mustard seed is the smallest seed, but verily I say unto you that there are smaller seeds still. If your faith is even as small as the smallest of these seeds, then surely you will move mountains." >Related to the time? Check >Communicated the new info? Check >Kept the message? Check Does this make me God now?
Did God invent mercaptan or was that Satan? I could see it going either way I mean, we know he did Butane*, the bastard gas. *Butane is also an excellent choice for extracting oil from the Devil's Lettuce
Saying something is “100% infallible” is already a close-minded process because it leaves no room for learning or critical thinking. If something is “perfect”, then there’s no room for development, which leads to stagnation.
Also a global flood could not have possibly accounted for all the depositional layers of Earth if the Earth was only 6,000 years old. Humans have had civilizations dating more than 6,000 years old, meaning they would need to have build structures on miles of piled up mud as it dried out. Its the "mud problem", and worth a check out.
it’s obvious charles knows he’s being dishonest. my question is how does he live with himself knowing that he has to lie for his beliefs to make sense?
Charles is'nt intelligent enough to realize he's being dishonest. He is indoctrinated, follows with blind obedience & what his church leaders tell him. if he starts to critical think about his religon, his religon tells him he's not allowed to do that. He needs faith instead. That's why he comes out dumb statements like the bible is inerrant., its God's word and other pathetically stupid statements. Religon is the only area where you can come out with unchecked, outrageous claims & expect people to believe them as facts.
For the religious, "Faith" is less about actually thinking something is true and more of how the word Faithful is used to mean Loyalty They expect to one day be rewarded for "staying loyal" when the facts made it clear that that would be the wrong choice to make (facts don't matter when you believe they can be god-magicked away)
So happy to be the prophets of futility. You will face God on your knees and you will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord of all. Whether you take advantage of the gospel and Gods grace or suffer is up to you.
Charles is massively overestimating how many people care whether the bible is 100% correct or not. Most people, theist or not, accept that it's full of glaring errors, contradictions and inconsistencies, but it doesn't affect their beliefs because they accept this is a collection of old often incomplete texts written be people, assembled by people, vetted by people, and people make mistakes.
It's sad how some christians change up scripture to fit their narrative even though that's not what's explained in scripture... just to stick to their beliefs 🤦🏾♂️
_"It's NEVER been proven wrong! Every WORD is true!"_ What about this falsehood right here? _"Yes! Like I said, NEVER been proven WRONG!"_ Narrator: the caller went on later that day to argue with a SWAT team at the maintenance access road to runway #3 that the NO ENTRY sign very **clearly** says "Entry" on it.
The smallest seed in the world belongs to certain species of orchids. Specifically, the seeds of orchids in the genus Vanilla (which includes the vanilla plant) and Epidendrum are among the smallest, with some seeds being as tiny as 0.1 millimeters in length. Fossil evidence suggests that orchids have existed for at least 80 million years. However, molecular studies, which analyze genetic data to estimate the age of different plant families, suggest that orchids might have originated as far back as 120 million years ago during the late Cretaceous period.
If your god was all-knowing it would know how being convinced of an assertion works. It would also know you can't threaten someone into believing an assertion. Not even if the threat is eternal damnation can you threaten someone into believing an assertion.
Anytime people like him talk about stuff like this I just want people to think about something. Let's go back a couple thousand years. Let's say that we got absolutely everything we know from the bible. No one became a scientist no one became a geologist but instead we got 100% of our information from the bible. Where would we be as a society right now? What would we know? We wouldn't have the vast majority of medicine out there we wouldn't have vaccines for polio, we wouldn't have the technology we have today, we wouldn't know probably 98% of the shit that we do about the Earth or the universe or the oceans or anything. We would be completely wrong about so much shit. If we just got our information from the Bible that is supposedly from a god, we would not only not know Jack schitt compared to what we do now, but the things we did know we would be wrong about many of them. If the Bible was truly the word of God and a book we really needed, we should know everything that we do today, just by reading the bible. And yetnot only is that not the case, but there are things that we know today that are contradicted by the bible. The Bible is constantly getting in the way of progress. Look how many people deny evolution despite mountains of evidence. If evolution didn't go against the biblical story, I guarantee you 99% of the people that do not believe in it now, would absolutely believe in it because we have more than enough evidence to support belief. The only reason people say that they don't believe it is because it contradicts the bible. And that is terrifying. People believe in gravity for the most part, but I guarantee you if the Bible went against gravity, millions of people would be sitting here denying that too. I've had numerous Christians and other religious people say that even if science concluded something was almost certainly wrong in the bible, they would automatically assume that science fucked up and the Bible is actually right. And that is not only pathetic but it's terrifying. You are starting with the assumption that the Bible is correct and everything that doesn't fit with the bible, automatically has to be wrong and that's just not the case. And it's so obvious that that's not the case that you have to put yourself into a place of delusion to believe like that. It's really sad and it is one of the demonstrable harms of biblical beliefs or God beliefs
SR asked him for evidence that the Red Sea actually parted, and instead of answering the question he started talking about the book of Job. I really wish they would have pressed him to answer the question instead of ignoring it and deflecting onto something else.
The biggest inaccuracy is the crucifixion. The T-shaped cross wouldn’t be a functioning design for its purpose and instead an X shaped cross would have been a better option.
The callers uses something about stars eventually moving their positions in the Book of Job to show that the Bible knew something nobody could have known back then. Yet also in the Book of Job God claims that he keeps snow & hail in heavenly storehouses for times of war & trouble. 🤣
"The Bible is 100% correct in all its statements?" "Yes" "Okay, is the mustard seed the smallest seed?" "No" Well, that's it. The caller admits that there are things in the Bible that aren't true, even though he said that everything is 100% true and that NOTHING in the Bible can be refuted. The caller has destroyed himself.
The Pleiades, also known as the Seven Sisters, is an open star cluster that will eventually disperse. The cluster is about 115 million years old and is slowly moving towards the Orion constellation. Over hundreds of millions of years, the cluster will slowly lose stars, some of which will die and others will drift away. Calculations suggest that the cluster will take about 250 million years to disperse due to gravitational interactions with giant molecular clouds and the spiral arms of our galaxy.
The fact that this dude was asked an epistemological question that happened to use gravity as an example and then said "I dont wanna talk about physics" tells me everything I need to know.
It never fails to amaze me how dishonest these callers are
This is what indoctrination does. It makes you scared to see the truth.
Charles isn’t being dishonest. He’s honestly stupid. 😊
Remember, these people vote. Make sure you do too.
It's the only way you can keep believing
@@quintonsm2616yeah. I'm so grateful I haven't been indoctrinated by wackos.
When you make excuses and ignore every point that proves the bible wrong, then sure, no one has proven it wrong..
Who cares that the bible was never proven wrong? Was it ever proven right?
That was the question I thought to myself as well
Just countless attempts to shift the burden of proof.
I don’t know it’s it even possible to prove the Bible as a whole wrong, but there’s plenty of verses within the Bible that HAVE been proven wrong by modern science;
- Mustard seed being smallest
-Plants coming before the sun
- Age of the earth
- how long humans have been on earth
- bats being birds
- story of global flood debunked by geologic column, etc
And that’s just what I could think of off the top of my head, I’m sure there’s dozens more. The Quran actually got more right than the Bible and it’s got tons of nonsense as well.
no one disproved Russell's teapot existence.
Of course it's been proven right. It says there are people in the Bible and there are people in real life, which means everything in the Bible must be correct!
Checkmate, atheists! /s
Having read archaeology and ancient history, the bible isn't accurate in history of its region
I'm STILL amazed that some people believe in the global flood story. The ark with all those animals and shit!!!
@@tonyfendex2558 Tons and tons of shit.
@@tonyfendex2558ALL that shit - all types, textures and smells of it!
@@dobrien51 Lots of shit. Got it!!!
@@tonyfendex2558 Want to see the Ark? just follow the flies.
Plenty of shit @ rotting carcasses there. Can't these religious business people get the replicas right?
I love how when Dr. Ben brought up the example of gravity and how when we didn’t know about gravity doesn’t mean gravity didn’t exist, Charles gets defensive and says, “I’m not going to get into a discussion about gravity…”. Charles, that’s not the point. Why are Christians not ever getting IT. Any point that’s made, their defense mechanisms go up to protect the VERY fallible doctrine they’ve been brainwashed washed with. Those who are Brian washed never think they’re brain washed. I was brain washed when I was a Christian and definitely didn’t think I was.
was I Brian washed?
Almost as dumb as that is another that says dinosaurs didn't exist bcuz we didn't have a name for them till the 1800's or whatever lol.
@@briancaro196No you’re Brian caro.. you need soap 😊
I'm convinced that this caller's head is pure bone from ear to ear.
DON'T UNSULT THE INTELEGENCE OF BONE!
😂😂
Either that or he's being deliberately obtuse. And I don't know what's worse.
@@johnsergeiHa!
Charles goes "I can't be wrong. Even when I'm wrong I'm not wrong." It's the most ignorant mindset since you want to remain ignorant. It's sad.
Charles talks very confidently about geology; a subject he clearly demonstrated that he knows almost nothing about, like so many other deliberately ignorant people.
As a paleontologist, I was pulling my hair out from this caller talking about the flood. Erosion, volcanic activity, wind, and organisms dying/changing the environment are all valid ways these layers are formed, we also can tell how these layers are formed from the molecules and minerals of the layers and along with the structure of the layers, fine particles=volcanic, lots of calcium carbonate= deceased microorganisms, etc. I learned this day one in my prehistoric ecosystems class.
Add in the fact that one global flood would only produce one layer, you’d think. Not the multiple layers we see everywhere. 🤷♂️
That he thinks layers in rocks can only come from a global flood, or fall out of the sky, that those are the only two options, is just sad.
Even if a mustard seed was thought to be the smallest seed in that place at that time, the son of an all-knowing God (or being that God) would know which seed is actually smallest.
Imagine my surprise during deconstructing when I learned this bit of info and it was one of the points that started kicking the legs from under my faith because I thought exactly what you stated
@@Sological Heck, the all-knowing god not only knows the average size of a seed, but the actual size of every seed on earth.
Even in the région at the time there was smaller seeds, like carrot or orchid seeds
And if he didn’t have access to god’s knowledge and was just like any other human, then why tf should anyone believe he was the son of god? No matter how much they try to duck & dodge their way outta questions more are inevitably raised because the whole story doesn’t make any sense!
They had poppies, no excuses are valid
The bible is infallible!!!!!
"Hi, I'm Noah, I'm 600 years old and preparing to repopulate the entire globe with my family..."
World renowned and respected biblical scholar Bart Ehrman say there are 5,000 inconsistencies in the bible.
I took a bible class and college and for the text book we used one of Bart's books. 😂. The class had a number of Christian students and the material really seemed to catch them off guard. But I'm sure they just swept all the inconsistencies and damning facts out of their minds so their beliefs wouldn't have to be challenged.
A few weeks ago, the very dishonest (unrelated this time, she's just very dishonest) wife of a preacher posted an image that made me laugh out loud.
It was a depiction of all the "fulfilled bible prophecies", that happen in the same book, and according to her clear overwhelming proof of the bibleness of bibling
You may already see this coming. It was that pic we've all seen a thousand times linking bible contradictions with red lines
But the caller Charles would argue, "An 'Inconsistency' isn't the same as 'Wrong'."
BTW. Can anyone tell me why these 'funnymentalist' christian dogmatic dopes almost always seem to a have an American Southern accent.
@@MrStringybark There is clearly some "wrong" given contradictory information. The resurrection accounts contradict each other in Mathew, Mark, Luke and John.
@@grantmartyn8877You wrote, "There is clearly some "wrong" given contradictory information. "
"Clearly" I knew that already otherwise I wouldn't have made the comment I did.
Let me explain;
OP stated that Ehrman said,
" there are 5,000 inconsistencies in the bible.".
I then stated that in the minds of someone like Charles, " "An 'Inconsistency' isn't the same as 'Wrong'.""
Help me out here. Explain to me how I could've written my original comment, which began with, "But the caller Charles would argue......." in such a way so that you could have understood the point I made more clearly because I thought what I wrote was straightforward and unambiguous.
In Monty Python’s movie “The Life of Brian”, there is a group of Jews discussing politics, and one asks “What have the Romans ever done for us?”…
REG: They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers' fathers.
LORETTA: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.
REG: Yeah.
LORETTA: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.
REG: Yeah. All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?!
XERXES: The aqueduct?
REG: What?
XERXES: The aqueduct.
REG: Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that's true. Yeah.
COMMANDO #3: And the sanitation.
LORETTA: Oh, yeah, the sanitation, Reg. Remember what the city used to be like?
REG: Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done.
MATTHIAS: And the roads.
REG: Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don't they? But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, and the roads--
COMMANDO: Irrigation.
XERXES: Medicine.
COMMANDOS: Huh? Heh? Huh...
COMMANDO #2: Education.
COMMANDOS: Ohh...
REG: Yeah, yeah. All right. Fair enough.
COMMANDO #1: And the wine.
COMMANDOS: Oh, yes. Yeah...
FRANCIS: Yeah. Yeah, that's something we'd really miss, Reg, if the Romans left. Huh.
COMMANDO: Public baths.
LORETTA: And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now, Reg.
FRANCIS: Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let's face it. They're the only ones who could in a place like this.
COMMANDOS: Hehh, heh. Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.
REG: All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
XERXES: Brought peace.
REG: Oh. Peace? Shut up!
Caller: The bible contains no errors.
AXP: Are mustard seeds the smallest seed?
Caller: No!
AXP: So the bible got it wrong?
Caller: The bible contains no errors it’s perfect!
AXP: You just agreed that mustard seeds aren’t the smallest seed, and yet you still think the bible contains no mistakes?
The similarities are scary!
Wait til my friend Biggus Dickus hears about this!
@@JB-yb4wn
He has a wife you know, Incontinentia… Incontinentia Buttocks!
In all fairness to the newly Roman, I'm pretty sure some of that stuff was there before the legion arrived in New Vegas
"Bible is infallible"
*points to a flaw*
"Doesn't count, the people thought that was the case."
The level of unpreparedness for mere seconds being enough to show the cognitive dissonance.
I 100% knew that the very first thing they brought up was going to end up with "Not like that"
Also, in science we don’t disprove anything but provide evidence for or against a proposition. In the case of the book of Genesis, we have evidence that there wasn’t a world wide flood that resulted in only 8 people populating the Earth, 2 humans that started human kind weren’t made 6,000 years ago, and all life didn’t start 6,000 years ago. Lastly, as I’ve said, we don’t disprove things, but it’s also not anyone’s responsibility to prove the Bible wrong but for those making the claims, YOU Charles, to show that they are true. I don’t claim that the Bible isn’t true, I just don’t believe many parts of it are true. There’s a difference. Not believing is different than claiming something isn’t true.
“As far as I can tell”. Wonder how far he looked?
That book is so silly, silly theists
Poor caller needs to crack open a few books
A few books that aren't the bible or apologist rip-offs.
Well if he was talkin' to a farmer...😂
@@Arkloydfor sure. I saw this book called "new evidence that demands a verdict" or something like that. So I opened it up and the first thing I see is "how can I know the Bible is true?" The answer was just references to scripture saying that it's true. New evidence my ass. That book only exists to protect people's puny beliefs and help the author fleece the intellectually dishonest/lazy.
@@noeditbookreviews A book says that god said it was true, so we know it is true.
Or something.
@@Arkloyd agreed 💯
No flood, no Jews in Egypt, no exodus from Egypt, Dead Sea is saline due to evaporation. Need I go on?
Charles, ‘Let me demonstrate how ignorant I am.’
If you are going to lie, lie with confidence
It's ridiculous that there are grown people who believe this crap. Insanity.
It's also SO dangerous to every society they hold power in. America is trying to become a Christian version of Iran now.
My favorite is “pi is 3.”
This call made me incredibly sad. I expect an 8-year old to know more about the world than Charles. 😕
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all have quite different and contradictory resurrection stories. How can they all be right?
I do hope Charles checks out the comment section on here.
"The Bible has never proven wrong" Even if you show him every single mistake, he would rather jump out of a cliff than actually admits
that.
Lack of critical thinking skills is so harmful. Pretend to know something that you do not know is embarassing.
Even when hand walked down a logical path Bible believers still can't follow logic.
Ok…
A reminder of how disappointing it is that adults can actually believe a flawed book to be true because they want it to…
All you have to do to find an error in the bible is to read the first page.
more then one error.
1 universe was made in an instant..planet earth was a labor of -6 to 7 days.
same strange thing happened with the moon sun and start that were being created on the forth day..but the universe was created before the labors..so wtf why do work 2 times?
The creation of vegetation proceeds the sun and the moon + stars on day 3. so how does that work exactly? on a -150celcius/-238 Fahrenheit/subzero planet? to me the impossible scenario where God creates the sun, moon, and stars on the fourth day they would only become visible after sunset on the fourth day. by then everything would be dead at least 24/40h
i like the creating of light (in that period) without a sun, that's a magic trick all in its self i would like to see.
anyway this is spiritual truth not actual truth ..all of a sudden.
Some people create a world around themselves that doesnt exist....
That accounts for all religions, not just Christians. They create a world to suit their beliefs, not the other way around.
So, there are really such things as talking animals, a flat earth, rabbits that chew the cud and mythological animals like unicorns and phoenixes? This caller's headquarters are where his hindquarters should be.
I was so charmed when Student Doctor Ben became Doctor.
"Guys, you are too kind to these deliberately ignorant buffoons."
The Bible is overwhelmingly wrong about pretty much about everything. By the time that you finish revelations you are already an atheist.
Every word of the bible is true; but when the words group together to form sentences, that’s when the crap begins.
The first two chapters of Genesis is what started turning me after 35 years of Christianity. I'd read most of if not all of the bible during that time, but revisiting after a hiatus was a whole new experience. It was immediately evident how goofy it was in the first chapter of the first book.
how can they use ''well at the time thats what they knew '' that just proves that the bible is completely man made and not the word of god as god wudnt be limited by the knowledge of man at that time as he is meant to be all knowing and timeless,prophecies wouldnt be vague they would be exact down to the day and minute of whatever was meant to happen
An all knowing god would know the mustard seed was not the smallest seed in the world.
Charles had only been on a 200 seat aircraft and someone told him 4 seat aircraft exist. Johns little mind wouldn’t be able to understand that concept apparently lol 😂
Infallible! If I ignore all the mistakes
Mark 4:30 says the mustard seed is the smallest seed on earth, not just in Israel or just what farmer's thereabouts knew of.
the magic in the bible is as real as that in silmarillion. caller should keep in mind that he is not talking from the pew in his church to his . . . peers!
The very easiest example of inaccuracy in the Bible would be the census. There was no census of the entire Roman Empire where people had to return to the place of their birth. That would have been A) hugely impractical and B) recorded elaborately in the records of the Empire.
Religion: not only mistaken, but WRONG.
The argument from "but what else could it be? Makes a whole lotta gull darn tickin sense t'me!". Fascinatingly dishonest.
I think that if I saw a person walk on water, I'd probably believe them about a seed I didn’t understand
Nah clearly we are too dumb so he had to lie
@@aleks_moldi obviously! 👏👏👏
Reminds me of the story of three devout men in a boat, fishing, when one of them remembers he forgot his beer on the shore so he hops out of the boat and walks back to get it.
A minute later, the second guy snaps his line so he says "Forgot my tackle box, I'll be right back" and he too jumps onto the water and jogs to catch up to the first man.
Not wanting to be outfaithed, the third man invents a reason to return to the shore sans-boat as well and steps out onto the water where he promptly sinks
_"Do you think we should have told him about the rocks?"_
@@BaronVonQuiply that's so good!
"It has been said that the mustard seed is the smallest seed, but verily I say unto you that there are smaller seeds still. If your faith is even as small as the smallest of these seeds, then surely you will move mountains."
>Related to the time? Check
>Communicated the new info? Check
>Kept the message? Check
Does this make me God now?
Wouldn't it need to be right before it can be proven wrong? That hasn't happened yet?
I think it's pretty ridiculous that a farmer can't understand the idea that there are smaller seeds
How do you prove a book of fiction wrong
Neither has Aesop’s Fables😂😂😂‼️
i'm pretty sure that even in jesus' time and place, they would have been familiar with poppy seeds, which are much smaller than mustard seeds...
Yes if you named a smaller seed it would make sense to me and everyone with a functioning brain. 🧠
I love that he said the Bible has never been proven wrong, yet it has over and over again.
Damnit, Bobby, when God invented propane and propane accessories he knew that we would use them to make the best dag-on burgers for Peggy.
Did God invent mercaptan or was that Satan? I could see it going either way
I mean, we know he did Butane*, the bastard gas.
*Butane is also an excellent choice for extracting oil from the Devil's Lettuce
Saying something is “100% infallible” is already a close-minded process because it leaves no room for learning or critical thinking.
If something is “perfect”, then there’s no room for development, which leads to stagnation.
Cherry picking the Bible and making excuses for it!!!!
"My god knows everything so you have to listen to me, do what I say, and give me money."
Also a global flood could not have possibly accounted for all the depositional layers of Earth if the Earth was only 6,000 years old. Humans have had civilizations dating more than 6,000 years old, meaning they would need to have build structures on miles of piled up mud as it dried out. Its the "mud problem", and worth a check out.
16:20 "whatever" Sums it all up!
You simply cant have a rational conversation with a caller like this. He'll twist himself into a pretzel to justify anything in the bible.
- the song ORION/Metallica ,and the sons of God shouted for joy
At 07:24 where Kirk hits just those two notes is my favorite part of the solo
it’s obvious charles knows he’s being dishonest. my question is how does he live with himself knowing that he has to lie for his beliefs to make sense?
Charles is'nt intelligent enough to realize he's being dishonest. He is indoctrinated, follows with blind obedience & what his church leaders tell him. if he starts to critical think about his religon, his religon tells him he's not allowed to do that. He needs faith instead. That's why he comes out dumb statements like the bible is inerrant., its God's word and other pathetically stupid statements.
Religon is the only area where you can come out with unchecked, outrageous claims & expect people to believe them as facts.
For the religious, "Faith" is less about actually thinking something is true and more of how the word Faithful is used to mean Loyalty
They expect to one day be rewarded for "staying loyal" when the facts made it clear that that would be the wrong choice to make (facts don't matter when you believe they can be god-magicked away)
When proven his bible is indeed fallible..
His response speaks volumes.... whatever
As for dumbing down, does he think ppl back then were less intelligent than ppl today?
I am firmly convinced this caller is John Goodman. I have no evidence other than this clip. 😂
Man’s living in serious denial, doesn’t take on a single point they give. This call could have been 2 mins long.
………and there was not trees and grass on the Earth before there was a Sun and an Earth.
So happy to be the prophets of futility. You will face God on your knees and you will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord of all. Whether you take advantage of the gospel and Gods grace or suffer is up to you.
Good freaking grief. What has any of that to do with the subject at hand? Just throwing in a threat we’ve all heard many many times…
Charles is hopelessly confused.
At least he said “there is evidence ‘around’ the globe”
I really thought that SR was going to do a "spit take". The timing would have been perfect.
Charles is massively overestimating how many people care whether the bible is 100% correct or not.
Most people, theist or not, accept that it's full of glaring errors, contradictions and inconsistencies, but it doesn't affect their beliefs because they accept this is a collection of old often incomplete texts written be people, assembled by people, vetted by people, and people make mistakes.
Any Earth god worth its worship would have made us just as perfect as itself? Instead we suffered for millions of years.
How could fairy tales be proven wrong?
It's sad how some christians change up scripture to fit their narrative even though that's not what's explained in scripture... just to stick to their beliefs 🤦🏾♂️
Never been proven wrong, hey? Okay, let's start at the beginning...
'In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.'
Go ahead and prove that.
Betelgeuse is in Orion, isn't it showing signs of going supernova any time soon? How unfortunate for Orion to lose his left arm.
The Bible disproves itself with endless line of contradictions.
_"It's NEVER been proven wrong! Every WORD is true!"_
What about this falsehood right here?
_"Yes! Like I said, NEVER been proven WRONG!"_
Narrator: the caller went on later that day to argue with a SWAT team at the maintenance access road to runway #3 that the NO ENTRY sign very **clearly** says "Entry" on it.
The entire time they were talkin' about layers, I couldn't stop thinking about Shrek. It's embarrassing
The smallest seed in the world belongs to certain species of orchids. Specifically, the seeds of orchids in the genus Vanilla (which includes the vanilla plant) and Epidendrum are among the smallest, with some seeds being as tiny as 0.1 millimeters in length.
Fossil evidence suggests that orchids have existed for at least 80 million years. However, molecular studies, which analyze genetic data to estimate the age of different plant families, suggest that orchids might have originated as far back as 120 million years ago during the late Cretaceous period.
The study of plate tectonics is the answer to the riddle
Lord of the Rings has never been proven wrong.
If your god was all-knowing it would know how being convinced of an assertion works. It would also know you can't threaten someone into believing an assertion. Not even if the threat is eternal damnation can you threaten someone into believing an assertion.
Anytime people like him talk about stuff like this I just want people to think about something. Let's go back a couple thousand years. Let's say that we got absolutely everything we know from the bible. No one became a scientist no one became a geologist but instead we got 100% of our information from the bible. Where would we be as a society right now? What would we know? We wouldn't have the vast majority of medicine out there we wouldn't have vaccines for polio, we wouldn't have the technology we have today, we wouldn't know probably 98% of the shit that we do about the Earth or the universe or the oceans or anything. We would be completely wrong about so much shit. If we just got our information from the Bible that is supposedly from a god, we would not only not know Jack schitt compared to what we do now, but the things we did know we would be wrong about many of them. If the Bible was truly the word of God and a book we really needed, we should know everything that we do today, just by reading the bible. And yetnot only is that not the case, but there are things that we know today that are contradicted by the bible. The Bible is constantly getting in the way of progress. Look how many people deny evolution despite mountains of evidence. If evolution didn't go against the biblical story, I guarantee you 99% of the people that do not believe in it now, would absolutely believe in it because we have more than enough evidence to support belief. The only reason people say that they don't believe it is because it contradicts the bible. And that is terrifying. People believe in gravity for the most part, but I guarantee you if the Bible went against gravity, millions of people would be sitting here denying that too. I've had numerous Christians and other religious people say that even if science concluded something was almost certainly wrong in the bible, they would automatically assume that science fucked up and the Bible is actually right. And that is not only pathetic but it's terrifying. You are starting with the assumption that the Bible is correct and everything that doesn't fit with the bible, automatically has to be wrong and that's just not the case. And it's so obvious that that's not the case that you have to put yourself into a place of delusion to believe like that. It's really sad and it is one of the demonstrable harms of biblical beliefs or God beliefs
We had astronomy, accurate astronomy, 12,000 years ago. It's not impossible.
I'm a farmer, and I have seen poppy seeds.
Tell me you've never read the Bible without saying you've never read the Bible, Charles.
This caller knows nothing of the burden of proof.
Dr. Ben at 10:02 - Do you think...
Me: No, Charles does not.
SR asked him for evidence that the Red Sea actually parted, and instead of answering the question he started talking about the book of Job. I really wish they would have pressed him to answer the question instead of ignoring it and deflecting onto something else.
the bible is basically just a long list of things that didn't happen.
The biggest inaccuracy is the crucifixion.
The T-shaped cross wouldn’t be a functioning design for its purpose and instead an X shaped cross would have been a better option.
The callers uses something about stars eventually moving their positions in the Book of Job to show that the Bible knew something nobody could have known back then. Yet also in the Book of Job God claims that he keeps snow & hail in heavenly storehouses for times of war & trouble. 🤣
"The Bible is 100% correct in all its statements?"
"Yes"
"Okay, is the mustard seed the smallest seed?"
"No"
Well, that's it. The caller admits that there are things in the Bible that aren't true, even though he said that everything is 100% true and that NOTHING in the Bible can be refuted. The caller has destroyed himself.
Everything can be infallably correct if you dodge and weave out of the way of every counterpoint.
The Pleiades, also known as the Seven Sisters, is an open star cluster that will eventually disperse. The cluster is about 115 million years old and is slowly moving towards the Orion constellation. Over hundreds of millions of years, the cluster will slowly lose stars, some of which will die and others will drift away. Calculations suggest that the cluster will take about 250 million years to disperse due to gravitational interactions with giant molecular clouds and the spiral arms of our galaxy.