The Eternal Problem With Rainbow Six Siege
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I think the ban phase probably makes this and other problems worse, there should be no need for operators to be banned if the devs do their goddamn job, and buff counters/change operators that are too frustrating or busted.
If they would either get matchmaking right or lose it completely and not leave cheaters in for weeks...maybe hire some actually good devs and stop screwing over the few people still supporting this game with lackluster battlepass content. Lose ubi(dis)connect for steam and use the steam trust system. Maybe.
We need an rainbow six 2
@@revan5293 which will ne plagued by the exact same problems because it still will be unisoft.
Just play the game get good or don't, that is up to you, pros will be pros, trash will be a trash, both can have fun, if you acknowledge what you are looking for. Go get it stop asking for ubisoft to make you better at their game by giving you a mechanic, It's like being born an asian man asking god to give you a BBC. lol Go make your own game if your ideas are so great!
the biggest problem with r6 rn is that theres no swimsuit skin for cav 🤷♂️
Is there a swimsuit for anyone? I'd also like to see that change. Black beard tattoos and american flag trunks would be fun with something seal related.
@@edmxero2029 wamai has the swimsuit
The perfect route for Ubisoft right here.
"We have noticed that no matter what we do either the casual 9-5 worker or the no-life sweatlord will complain. Therefore we are removing all gadget and guns from the game and making it an 18+ dating sim"
@@edmxero2029 like kt said wamai technically has one and valk has a lifeguard skin if you wanna count that
Iana doesn’t either smh
I love how every single video that has a sponsor the most "replayed" parts are always right after the ad ends, which means every single one of us is skipping the ads. Love it.
My brother in Christ gotta do some dough one way or another. Hate the game not the playah
I think siege has hit a pretty good balance these days. I'm a valk/frost main, so I'm big into gadgets and the gadget style of play, and I kinda just feel like the more gun -centric meta gives me more options in how I approach fights, rather than having turtling being my only option. Idk, I'm having a ton of fun, and I haven't been able to say that in siege for a while so they're doing something right at ubi
I am valk main as well and i didn't played this game for over yr since they removed her ability to throw cams outside.
@@Hanging_Pawn I feel your pain, I just had to adapt my placements. I can still get a lot out of her, but I do miss being able to track enemies outside
@@kylebaryonyx9478 should have buffed iq rather taking her ability completely from the game. The problem is with iq not with valk or echo. They nerfed echo into the ground, that's why iq become even more situational overall. Ubi doesn't know how to buff or Nerf the operators properly.
@@Hanging_Pawn In some situations it was fine, but as someone who's had to content with Valk on Consulate peeking from 2F with a cam outside where not even my scan can reach it to find the damn thing, it was so utterly annoying to play against. It wasn't even fun, seriously anytime the map we got was Consulate I would hard push a Valk ban because fuck her on that map, and I use her! (occasionally)
At least on Chalet the area is small enough to not struggle too hard with finding it, but I've genuinely never found the cam placement on Consulate, and I was unable to anyway because it'd constantly ping me and I'd have to contend in a gun fight before I could even think of entering the building, and even if I won I'm still getting pinged, and in situations like a clutch to get into garage, it's an easy dub for Defense since they can still ping me on the cam.
I just have a vendetta against Valk on that particular map, it was impossible to play against, the only times I ever won those situations was just utter luck. I was personally happy they removed outside cams, I don't believe Defense should be allowed to have their utility outside apart from the default cams already there. But I understand I'm biased, but even so you have to admit it's not fun to play against that. Border, pre-rework Outback, Consulate, Chalet, so many maps became utterly awful to play as an Attacker solely because of Valk and her outside cams, removing that ability was a good change because now I actually enjoy being an Attacker. At least with Echo there's a genuine risk when you try to play outside with him, with Valk she essentially gets a free kill you cannot contest and I don't believe kills deserve to be free.
@@ultimatepunster5850 that's why i said iq was needed some sort of buff either with frags or gonne six,back in the days when she used to have frags running her against valk wasn't a problem at all for me especially when echo used to be super strong too,it is all ubi fault that they nerfed echo and iq both which makes iq overall very situational pick,like right now bringing iq is just very useless against valk. Yeah true valk is kind of annoying operator to deal as an attacker but so does many defender in this game,example is Mira,azami,Solis or even kaid r annoying to deal as well. I personally don't think that removing outside cam where great change,they would rather added more counters to deal with valk or just buffed iq and nomad in order to deal with runouts and outside cams. Valk had this ability since day one and when they removed her ability to throw cam outside i was very pissed personally.
U should have buffed iq or added more counters to outside cams, but instead u made iq even more useless overall. By outside cams Nerf now and that's not a good change overall. Also they r many operators in game who gives u free kills like frost and even kapkan like that way I got many free kills from they gadget, so what's ur point?
I’m probably a minority, but I truly miss the more gadget oriented meta. I personally have always gravitated towards games that tend to be more complicated because I like problem solving and thinking as I play. That meta always was able to keep me immersed in the game. As of late the amount of time I play siege has dwindled down to just about none unfortunately. The gunfight meta is fun for a while but for me personally loses it’s value quickly.
Totally agree with you 100%!
exactly, there's nothing more mind-numbing for me then seeing people not drone and just instalock ash and iana and run in the obj and sure we win but i feel like there no satisfaction in this
Agreed, I loved playing echo and figuring out tricky little spots for my drone, same with maestro. The game feels more akin to Csgo than ever, to me anyway
Gadgets are what's supposed to set siege apart from being just another dime a dozen first person shooter. Without gadgets, it's just another shooter like cod, csgo etc
Something I think slips by the view of a lot of critics, whether it be actual critics, kapkan kyle, or aimbro69420, is that all games have a skill ceiling, and the longer a game is around the higher that skill ceiling rises. Which is why this nostalgia about 'old siege' is so common. Not many of us knew about all the little tricky vertical spots, all the run outs, the spawn peeks, I personally was new to the 'anchor' 'roam' 'shallow roam' roles and when I learned things like that I looked at the game in a different way. I vividly remember picking Rook back in Operation Para Bellum and just going prone on site and actually feeling like I was contributing.
Now I know how to set up a site, how to get off a site and retake it with my team, where to apply pressure on maps and where to ease off etc.-
What I'm getting at is the skill ceiling goes higher, and a lot of what we knew is thrown out the window in place of new knowledge, new tactics, and a new approach to the game.
And I think this is why 'old games' felt so amazing and nostalgic, because ignorance is bliss.
my opinion is that this skill ceiling si going higher cause of pros and youtubers in geneal, i mean, people see videos and then instead of trying their own tactics or things they just copy what they have seen in videos, just like using 4:3 stretched, and low graphics settings, whys everyone so "competitive"? for me is this competitiviness that's taking away the fun of playing siege, every damn game you have to wipe the sweat. Spawnkills, bulletholes, fast picking, super tight angles of pick, all bullshit for me. i enjoyed old siege a lot more
Yea the skill ceiling is so much different now then it was when I started. Some of it for the better, but there a several things that aren't but maybe thats just me being salty.
@@giulianogenovese1258 " just like using 4:3 stretched, and low graphics settings" stretched and low graphics make the game feel faster and some people have shit pcs as well.
I stopped playing after Void Edge (Ranked at the Plat 3/2 border) and came back this season to find myself in Copper because of the ranked changes. I knew my aim would need work again but I remembered all the strats I used to get to plat and felt confident.
Imagine my shock when these coppers were doing shit I didn't even know was possible. People holding one ways through 2 floors on Chalet and blocking flank angles with Azami.
It's a well known thing in game design that if given the chance, players will optimise the fun out of the game. That's why the longer a multiplayer game goes on the more you're gonna have to tweak and change to stop there being an environment where it's just people exhanging rote cheesey strats back and forth.
I always thought siege’s biggest issue was the number of interactions at play making balance impossible. Anyone that has played Halo Wars 2 knows what I’m talking about. With so many operators, gadgets, guns, scopes, etc, there is always going to be something “OP” which drives a constant cycle of nerfs which slowly ruins gameplay. It’s a hard problem to address and I don’t think I’ve seen a case I’d call successful yet.
csgo is balanced and i like it but at the same time i feel nostalgic about the times it wasnt we would wait for the update days like it was christmas
It’s almost like the entire point isn’t to balance the game… you probably think the same thing with overwatch.
@@merchant_of_kek5697 don’t care about that cartoon garbage
@@ruicardoso5396 i wouldn't call csgo balanced at all, there's like 7 guns pro comp players use and the rest of the arsenal is meme guns lol
this is only loosely related but i'm curious about what riot games are gonna do with valorant in a couple years. they keep releasing new heroes and some of the new abilities they're giving them are already straight upgrades over the old ones, i am very certain that valorant can't have 100+ playable characters like league so how they're gonna get around ruining the balance will be very interesting
The game is too complex and intricate to be played with randoms. Unless you know it inside out and can IGL randoms (and have the patience to) then you are stuck with the best course of action being taking gunfights and trying to tdm it. The balance and meta is in a very good place preciesly because no op can do it all now which wasnt the case a few years ago during utility soak meta. However because people suck at coordination and teamplay in general the only reliable strategy left is to kill everyone via gunfights. The thing that sets siege so far apart from other shooters is also the one thing that makes it unbearable in public lobbies with randoms. Playing as a 5 man with friends who want to learn and understand how the game is played is the funnest fps experience one can have. End of.
What does utility soak mean?
I’d agree to you to a certain point. In higher rank, your randoms will be communicating a lot more, so it becomes less of a problem as you go up. That being said, partying up should be the go to because I’d rather play with friends
Indeed, it’s much more effective as an attacker is to just solo take parts of the map, for example on chalet I always take library or if they go down stairs I just walk down blue. I do my own droning, I do everything by myself including getting frags because randoms is such a crap shoot. On defense it’s much of the same, if I wanna anchor I run mute or castle and I try to set up the site and map so that I have as much control as possible. When I’m not doing that I’d run someone like orex or legion and attempt to roam as a defender. I’ve been playing for 7 years as a high plat/emerald player on PC and console. It’s honestly about just doing your own thing, and hoping your teammates can pitch in enough. Which is why solo is so difficult because often as a high level player you have to do more work then you should to win games especially against other great players or coordinated stacks
I kinda wonder how fighting games solve this problem (fighting games are more my schtick). Because arguably fighting games are also quite complex and also suffer having completely different meta games depending on the level of play. And yet, they don't seem to suffer Siege's specific problem here.
Maybe it's because fighting games are allowed to be flexible for each kind of play. You can be new and button mash, and the game just works for you, but you can also be higher level with crazy confirms and case-by-case decision making, and the game will still just work. Siege on the other hand, might be forcing its complexity no matter what level of play.
@@goingindieEN it's extremely inconsistent and getting good comms with randoms is rare until champion where most of the players there are pros and comp players. Most of the time the reason people are in higher ranks are because they aim better. What tends to happen is an inflation of egos.
Siege has an identity crisis. Is it a fun casual shooter or a competitive tactical FPS? Ubisoft has always pandered to both audiences and can never please either. The juxtaposition between the importance of removing reload cancelling for competitive integrity, and the existence of Rick and Morty skins tells you everything you need to know about Siege and it’s eternal problems.
Exactly, the lack of casual content, different modes and stuff like that has made impossible to get my friend to play siege for example
I think the knowledge gap newcomers have to bridge to access the competitive "smart" playstyle is so overwhelming and the accessibility of the headclick playstyle helps to keep it stuck in this weird limbo where people on either side have something to complain about and the game inherently divides the community. No solutions to offer just trying to explain the phenomenon.
Personally I left the game because of how casualized it became. None of the people who got me into the game still play either. Every update seemed to change gadgets to the point that they were near useless for the sake of allowing their casual audience to play it like cod. I got into siege because it was this fun balance of actually having to strategize combined with your individual gun skill, no one player could carry your team. I felt like I could contribute to my team even when I wasn't one of the good fraggers in my stack. I do not like this current meta and while I don't necessarily want to go back to the utility era, that's where the tactical part of the tactical shooter shines.
Gregor, once again being a beacon of reason for the entire Siege community. If only Ubisoft would hire you and Lugovoises, Synkc, NGN and Nick930 to be community developers for everything Tom Clancy related.
If y’all really watch him, you should know Ubi does what Gregor says in videos, but the players still complain nonetheless
@FL1 Maybe to an extent, yeah. But there are still a few more parameters Ubisoft needs to cover in Siege that Gregor is addressing.
Varsity could be added to the team too. He's like an encyclopedia of knowledge for seige
ah a fellow NGN fan
@@tlbryant4697 please dont lol
Gregor always cooks interesting videos, never stop this man from cooking
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1hhs will always be the biggest issue with siege. As long as it exists there will always be a hard bias towards aimbros and the only was to mitigate it will be less enjoyable gameplay changes.
The best way to counter the Aim Bros is to use utility and gadgets though, but requiring a high IQ for a game will lead to a dead game :/
Your experience actually mirrors mine exactly. I'm a gadget oriented player who enjoys leveraging the mechanics of the game to gain an advantage. I'm not really cracked Beaulo nutty in gunfights, so I prefer a slower, intel-oriented approach to the game.
While I acknowledge that the current meta has a stronger emphasis on gunplay than it did during utility simulator, I don't really mind. The current meta isn't preventing me from interacting with the more tactical elements of the game. I also love the operators designs we've been getting recently (okay, maybe not Grim.) This is probably the happiest I've been with the state of siege. I'm actually excited to see what they roll out in the rest of Year 8.
I think another factor of why the people who complain about the gun fight meta often boils down to them playing at a significantly higher skill level. For most players, we don’t experience it as badly as they do.
@@speedyazi5029 ^ This is very true. It's harder to notice that people aren't droning as much when they weren't droning to begin with. Mid to low level siege is a jungle.
Hard agree. Its reaffirming to see other fans who feel the same. The angriest players are always the loudest…
I genuinely think this is the best state siege has ever been in. While gunplay is a little too emphasized right now, I really can't think of any other complaints.
I think you hit the nail on the head. The issue isn't with current game balance, its with incentivising players to maximize gadget advantages. maybe adding some sort of combo mechanic to add score based on using gadgets to get kills instead of simply for the kill itself.
Having come back to siege after a fair while away, all the operators that have come out since seem so interesting and focused on the objective based gameplay
Even in quick match I've been loving Gridlock, and looking forward to trying out Sens once I get a better grasp of the maps.
Quick match feels like the way to play. It’s very hard to see tactical play in Ranked since people will gravitate to the path of least resistance, gunfights. That’s also why Pro Siege cannot be applied to Ranked as well.
Sens is goated but I genuinely struggle with getting their gadget going where I want. Same issue I have with Zero sometimes 😭
I swear people in quick match sweat more drone more and try harder than people I play with in ranked. Ranked feels like who can win defense more times because attackers always rush in. Not every time but I feel way more often than in quickmatch
@@ICDedPeplArisen ranked is weird af these days, don't know if it's bad but all the matches I've gotten recently are genuinely baffling
@@ICDedPeplArisen I've been playing with some n00b buddies lately and honestly I think people just don't want to deal with how stupid Ranked can be these days. If you're trying to learn Siege, or work on things you already know, QM is the place to do it, and I don't think I would have said that a year ago. People in QM just generally seem more interested in playing Siege, whereas Ranked is basically just getting to the gunfights as fast as possible and hoping you can steal a round or two on offense before the randos on your team commit suicide.
I played from Operation Dust Line to Burnt Horizon, and it turned so casual between those operations. Seemed like they lost the vision. Now it's unrecognizable from where it started. Players bodies disappear, bullet holes are history, spawnpeeks are gone. Maybe it's a good thing, but removing those things streamlined the matches completely
A lot of people complained that it was too hard but that's what made it fun. It's watered down now
i personally never minded the "util" meta
Tbh the Util meta only heavily influenced pro league, and was only a problem there. They would run Melusi, Maestro, Wamai, Jaeger, and Goyo every round. Combined this is an issue, and in the ranked scene teams would only use a couple of them so it wasn’t an issue
@@braxtonsmith3726 oh well I dont watch pro league… so im literally the example he used in the vid lmaoo
Another change that drove myself and some others away for a while was the push for a more sporty olympics aesthetics, these are tactical operators and the best of the best who are meant to be countering terrorist operations, why would I be at all invested in them dressing up in sports gear and messing around in a stadium? It just felt like a complete tonal shift.
What pisses me off is they already have a death match game mode and yet people still insist on ruining the default game mode
There needs to me more incentive to play deathmatch. Currently there feels like there's no reason to play it outside of warming up.
Only issue I have with seige in its current state is the jiggle peaks where I can get headshot without even seeing them or them only exposing a Tiny sliver of themselves, just makes the game less tactical for me
I like how Ubisoft finally handled toxic behavior. On console it use to be that most team killers when they are about to lose in rank they kill each other. They would even see your rank and judge your performance even though it’s just casual/quick match. It was a hassle for me to report all of them through Ubisoft Support every time, including the enemy team that team kills. Now all of those problem has been significantly reduced. Whenever I see the ban waves I feel relieved.
Removing the vote to kick option was both terrible and great. Played so many games where a 4 stack got toxic and would TK then boot you
Maybe this is extreme but I'd honestly be glad if they took team damage out of quick match. Even with the anti-toxicity measures, someone can still tk you for stupid fucking reasons
@@MrFusion Yeah but they get the reverse friendly fire which lasts through out multiple different matches. I saw my team killing friend’s account ban raised from couple of days to almost a month. I was finally able to hit Platinum 3 again because of the finalized reputation system.
The gunplay prior to 2020 is a huge part of what made Siege not just accessible but also fun and satisfying. 2020 was a bad year for my Uplay friends list. If that movement and recoil were to return in the current meta it still wouldn't put a dent in the tactical advantage that ops like Azami give players. Easy to learn hard to master is THE reason why Siege blew up. Without the accessible gunplay component, its just hard to learn, hard to master, and it will suffocate under its own complexity.
Prediction is that it’s gonna be about the divide between casual and pro league
Siege is one game that needs a sequel.
I started seige in year 2 season 1. The best seige there ever was was year 4 season 4. I stopped playing around year 6 when they started changing optics and character move speed. It just wasn't fun anymore
I don't want ant balance. Let's have one straight season of ABSOLUTE CHAOS
The biggest issue that I have with siege right now is that, up until high gold low plat anyway, you can absolutely win games just by having a higher KD than the other team. And now that I'm only playing maybe once or twice a week, I'm hard stuck gold and have to deal with runout Ricky crackheading around the map and wiping out 3 of my team mates off the rip, or spending a full minute after the round starts trying to get the site set up because everyone else ran off to the other side of the map to try and find gunfights.
It's genuinely miserable to try and win in these lobbies.
I think at that points it’s a community issue and map issue, not meta issue. Frustrating
I feel you. I'm always the only one setting up the site.
This video landed in my recommended feed and THANK GOD I watched it. As someone who has less then 20 hour in RS6 This video cleared up so much. I showed up VERY late to the RS6 scene. I bought RS6 as a whim on a Steam sale and finally got around to playing it in 2021. I wanted to see what this still very popular and almost legendary FPS was all about. While I don't want to say my initial experience was negative I will say it was overwhelming. There were so many agents with different gadgets and guns and all the various maps with the entrances and exits and objectives. I was thrust into 6 years of content and gameplay and totally felt like a fish out of water. What other people saw as this rich gameplay experience I saw as complete and utter chaos! I was just a casual gamer who wanted to have fun and shoot stuff and while that was mostly true I will say my teammates were annoyed with the fact I knew and understood so little about the game. I don't think this game is bloated with content just that fact that its a complex multiplayer FPS with a steep learning curve. And more power to the people that play it! I play games like Path of Exile which are notorious for being complex but I can take those games at my own single player pace and not screw over my team for not knowing a critical piece of information. With that being said I'm sure a little research and a couple RUclips videos could clear some things up. And maybe one day I will get back into this game but for now I have other games to occupy my time.
TL;DR This game is really hard to learn especially as a new player and this video helped me understand that a little better
I honestly think siege has a really nice balance in gunfights and gadgets at the moment, it's just hurting from the individual balance of operators. In a more casual environment, the lower tier operators literally just feel like by being picked the player is throwing the whole game. Give operators like Thorn and Melusi literally just one more of their gadgets each, since they're just so bad right now.
i think that they're still strong but situational, comparing to solis and azami thats always getting picked most of the round but i think thats okay, as long as they're not as useless as turret tachanka
i dont think siege is a gun focused or ability focused game. I believe both parts are equally important, but a problem i feel like is being swept under the rug and going unnoticed by players unhappy with balance is HOW ubisoft balances the game.
For example, Jackal has one of the highest attacker ban rates in the game solely bc of his ability. Its strong at countering roamers enough to warrant a 60% ban rate. Ubisoft, wanting to tune him down, nerfs the PRIMARY GUN instead of the ability. No one is banning jackal bc the C7E is overpowered, its because when they die to a ping, they feel frustrated and cheated.
Ubisoft cannot balance operators correctly, which is resulting in a plethora of problems players have with the game. Nerf things that actually do not belong in the game and buff the parts of the game that feel rewarding to play as and against
I haven't played siege for a year and a half and when I loaded it up it felt like the rounds got shorter. Maybe it's just me but I feel like an extra minute could make the game a little bit more tactical
this game objectively becomes harder and harder to learn as time goes on...
All I want is for gadgets to require gadgets use. Too many gadgets can just get smacked or shot. It makes the gadgets feel useless when "pop", they're just gone and the player still has all their utilities.
Siege felt like siege when it had that suspension of disbelief. The core fundamental of what an operator was changed with Ela and nowadays we have fucking superhero looking ass Ace and completely unrealistic bullshit.
Seige fell off because it tried to become COD and is so headshot gun orientated but failed at that and lossed its personality.
Ubisoft is preparing XDefiant which is a gunpaly focused arena type FPS so they should focus Rainbow on a more gadget oriented game to cover the whole spectrum. The gunplay should not be forgot obviously but shouldn't be the main point here imo
I think this meta is less frustrating to play since there is not really general the “best” lineup to run since gadget play is not the focal point. Attacking feels more balanced and doesn’t feel like you’re gonna lose the first three rounds if you start out on attack. And there is way more variety in operator picks than there ever was before. And I cannot think of anything overpowered at this point in time
I wish we could return to Red Crow. Red Crow was the only year of Siege I actively looked forward to playing the game. Now it's something I play once a week for an hour and rage quit 😂
Haven’t touched this game since high school. I’m 21 now but I still enjoy being in the loop, I have since “retired” (💀💀) from r6 but I wish y’all the best🖤
the game was best during the parabellum to windbastion, you had the startegy while encompassing the gun play, personally it's not fun sitting in a corner the entire game and holding and angle while using the gadget dispersly throughout those 2.5 minutes, the same is a tactical shooter, tactical being the thermite and twitch getting the wall, shooter being the ash going in through the breach doming jager and smoke
siege meta is very fun right now, every gun is usable, every operator is usable (besides blackbeard and grim), maps are fun, to me the game is in a pretty good spot
I think it's more about gunplay. people used to think more when engaging enemies. Now with the 1.5x people are easily able to go in and rush while also being able to compete at long ranges. While back in the day if you picked an ACOG you had to be more carefull picking your fights at closer range, while doing the oposite with picking the 1x scopes. Another big thing is that alot of gadgets are able to be shot, while they usually took utility to get rid of. Think of the old meluci gadget.
I haven't been playing Siege, but I honestly got burnt out on the constant new operators. Especially since it seemed like they were just throwing shit at a wall to see what sticks.
My thought is that Siege 2 is gonna be a solid game thanks to the experiments done in the current version.
What I hope never happens, is the LoL situation. Where every map feels exactly the same but there are 150 Ops on both sides. That is not ideal in my mind.
I think ubi should make a build of the game for the pros and a build for us casuals that way they can balance both to what both groups need
Personally I've always liked the more methodical, slow gameplay. I don't want to only use guns or only use gadgets, so a healthy mix is my dream scenario. But I also really dislike rushes, and the wiggle peaking that's still going on.
I really feel like the problem is not only Siege-specific and it has to do more with how community embrace changes. Every competetive game that lasts on the market that long has some form of power-level creep (e.g. new champs in League) and drastically differs from the game it started as. And in every one community there'll always be a group that will miss previous versions. Also it's probably a tt/tik-tok echo chamber issue, as for example, I'm not encountering these type of convos myself in my online space. I, personally, am very happy that the game is changing, and not trying to be "old Siege", because with that level of complexity in the game, every change brings something new to learn and/or discover, and that's the primary reason why I started playing this game (and found your channel - keep up the good work). So, here's to (hopefully) another 10 years of Siege.
For me the balance and meta is perfect right now.
Gadgets are good but not OP, it's still a shooter so obviously aim is still important to win your gun fights.
And you have to have a strategy when you play, even if your strategy is "win gunfights with strong gun".
Those who say that siege was better before etc... in my experience, from talking to people on reddit, haven't played in a while and just don't know what they are talking about.
the most fun I had on Siege was during the update Lion and Finka came out. And that was when the game was so fucking broken. Blitz was accidentally turned into a 2 armor 3 speed. Any operator who had an elite skin could become invisible, Lion's ability was so overpowered on top of Finka's insane health boost+ recoil reduction
I think siege started going down hill from operation void edge and it went away from what it was supposed to be.
Siege was a realistic tactical shooter thats based on real special forces with the gadgets they actually used and that drew alot of people in.
I remember alot of people being mad about 2 operators being pmcs instead of another special forces unit and Iana was just completely unrealistic.
The 1.5x sight was a great edition and not being able to quick peek in a millisecond is a good change.
I believe If they stuck to the original vision of siege that it would still be a powerhouse.
I feel as if in the current meta everyone has to play the fragger role in some part rather then having individual gadget based roles
true although its aids when you have someone locking doc every round getting smoked on spawnpeeks, getting smoked in general, etc. some of the lesions and docs ive seen in my day have been the least impactful siege players that cant hold the most meager amount of space. its a epidemic
or amaru/nokk, i just think its more of a pain when you have people who go ops who just have little to no value after they died when you’re playing defense, on offense its not as unbearable because you can switch ops and sometimes that helps but holy shit do i wanna close my game when i see the hardpick doc get smoked back to back rounds within the first 20 seconds of the action phase.
I played siege for a long time but eventually left the game at 2020 because it was a Q-E spam simulator and getting picked through a wall punch hole from another map because I didn't watch the "new tips and tricks for R6s season N" in youtube to know about it.
Completely agree with your take man. Siege is at its absolute best when it's in the middle between guns and gadgets.
I play siege since 2015 and I feel like siege is in a good spot right now. It’s not too frustrating to play in solo or do que, because your not dependent on your teams to do the right things like in the utility simulator. It also not to gun dependent, cause your utility is still Important to open op angels and to get control. I also like that the new meta alots for more variation, so your not stuck with the same 5 operates everytime, especially in attack.
Pretty much nailed it.
They do bring a great amount of ops they can fill the rolls of others.
They generally would work the same but in different use cases.
Like solis. More focused on utility destruction compared to pulse. Where he’s a more lethal alternative.
Both do have the ability to gain passive intel on operator positions given the right elements.
As a solo queuer I agree! I am actually having fun soloing ranked a few nights a week. I also don't feel like I have to play the game five hours per day to keep up which is how it was during the gadget meta
ngl I've been loving Siege so much lately that i've been pushing thru a bug that wont let me load in after picking my operator or another bug where i lose 10 seconds of every prep phase
imo Siege had the best mix of gadget and gunplay when it was a tactical shooter and not like cod Search and destroy. I'm referring to the old r6, where attackers and defenders had distinct roles and abilities. Like giving the attackers an advantage, for example, by providing them with a higher zoom scope that is usable and doesn't cause the gun to jump uncontrollably i know crazy right never been done b4. However, to maintain a skill gap, the increased zoom could still come with more recoil. This would make it necessary for players to use their mouse skillfully to control their shots.
Since attackers approach from the outside, they should have some range advantage over defenders. On the other hand, defenders should be able to use their gadgets to keep the attackers off-site, and the gameplay should revolve around a slow intel game. As a defender, you would hold angles and play keep-away, while attackers would use their intel and gadgets to locate and displace the defenders from their positions to gain ground. its almost the game was like this then ubi just added characters that ruined it and instead of balancing the characters no we to change the entire game and make it worse because the next 2-3 characters fit the play style. I swear if ubi released siege rn as a new game as it is rn or anytime in the past 3 years even shit would've flopped hard ubi just dont know what game they are making anymore every braindead person on that dev team has their own version of the game they want with no regard for the game they are making
i think siege should be more gadget focussed but keeping gadgets within the realm of reality and for the gadgets not to be to overpowered (like how it is right now and has been for the last couple of years) it's a tactical shooter that was grounded in either real technology or possible technology, and now it's just cartoonish and lost it's soul and gunfights lost their slow deliberate encounters, before you could be both fast and fun but also play slow and methodically, i played a few months ago and just couldn't play both styles it was basically play one style or die.
Its kinda funny to see the gadget gunfight balance dilemma discussed with Grim gameplay in the background in which the gadget isn't even used ,Grim needs help bad
I think speeding up the gun play to something in the middle of what we have and what we had. Then make the gadgets slightly more relevant. I came back after 2 years of not playing so I didn’t notice this evolution.
As someone who used to play on a daily basis all the way from operation velvet shell to operation burnt horizon, i think rainbow six is now finally in a good spot where i find it fun again. I do miss a little more of the reliance on gadgets over gun skill, but I'd be lying if I didn't say this is the closest i think they've gotten to striking that middle ground
Yeah every map i play everyone just shoots each other like deathmatch most of the time no one even plants
As someone who has never played a single game of siege. I love your videos about siege as it gives me great insight in the meta talks in other games
Redownloaded it after a long break and so much has changed, particularly in the casual meta. Thatcher is not getting banned, people don’t reinforce as much as they used to and there is far less spawn killing from the defenders too. Maybe it’s because I have to work my way up the new rank system and things will change later on but it’s weird
From what I’ve noticed in low rank lobbies at least the Meta is gadget but most people play gun rush
I really just hate the matchmaking system as a newer player. I don't have good aim and I'm getting older, I can accept lost gun fights, but when you are in silver and there are emerald players on either team nearly acing every round... It's like wtf, how am I supposed to get better or even just have matches with people just as bad as me.
One of the biggest issues is people not understanding that the gadgets in siege can still be used at a fast pace, in a fast pace environment. Methodical doesn’t mean slow.
I'm pretty sure in 2020 I was hearing the "guns are too important now, gadgets have lost the importance they used to have". This may be the same as in F1 the "we don't have emotion or overtakes now, like we had back in X when we had so much more excitement" and when you reminisce about X, people were saying the same thing and there was only a fraction of the overtaking and excitement of current F1.
I don’t even play this game anymore but siege needed to have picked either their hard core community or their casual community. Imo I think they should stick to catering to a more hardcore community that focuses on esports. When I was really into this game, I would pick up tactics and tricks from watching esports. I wasn’t super good at aiming but I had really good map and gadget knowledge. That always made all the difference because I could win gunfights by getting the drop on someone instead of out aiming them. Now I really don’t care if this game succeeds or not because I don’t plan on playing it more than once or twice a year. What made me drop the game was what felt like a lack of content that I could sink my teeth into and the amount of casual friends I had that just got frustrated with the game and left.
Haven’t played the game in years but hearing that it’s more gun play oriented I might have to try it out. I don’t like insane gadget spam I like the smart gun play. Slower paced but still more focused on gun play. Droning, gadgets, rotations, should be a core part of siege but not the focal point. Gun play should still be the whole thing bcz it’s an FPS game. One thing I’ve always hated about the game is one shot headshots tho. Getting headshot through a wall is just straight up bullshit. Should be more like CSGO where some weapons can one shot head shot but not all of them. It’s a hot take Ik most probably won’t agree with but idrc bcz it’s not like the change will ever come.
Over the years they have just changes so much of the identity of siege that it isn't even the same game I fell in love with. Ever since they tried to make the graphics better but just made it look bland and boring.
I'm sorry but if you removed all the operator gadgets/abilities and just made it primaries, secondaries, and side gadgets (breach charges, nades, deployable shields, barbed wire etc) then I wouldn't be playing Siege. I'm not here to play Call of Duty, I'm here to play Rainbow Six Siege. The gunfights are a means to an end; to kill the enemy players. What's more interesting to me is the methods you use to get to that point, which would be your gadgets.
I am in the same boat as the meta and gameplay has shifted more towards gunfighting which is my biggest weakness so it benefits me and my playstyle the least, with that being said still loving the game right now
I love how when saying all the gadgets from Aruni-Brava but Grim was not mentioned 😂😂😂
I feel like a lot of people feel that siege doesn’t feel like siege because we went from very realistic, simple, and practical gadgets and operators, to futuristic garbage that either hugely changes the game for one side or is just a re-iteration of an already existing gadget
I played Siege hard for year 1-2 then dropped it. I recently these last couple months got back into it hard and holy shit man i forgot all about being able to lean crazy fast like that. Really glad the game has evolved past that.
I know not a single person is gonna see this, but I really enjoy the state of r6 right now, especially playing aruni. Shes a great solo q pick when no one on your team wants to play bandit or mute or anyone with the ability to make more than 2 impact holes. She has incredible area denial, the ability to make (with practice) quick rotates, and her gun is incredible. The game has slowed down much more, but the number of times ive been completely caught off gaurd by a rush have been surprising. I think the game is in a great state and hope to god it stays this way, r6 was insufferable in 2020-21, which is why i completely stopped playing it for a while.
as a casual player who doesnt do much ranked and do more quickmatch main issue with siege is there is never enough bad players on the opposite team compared to the team you and your friend get slotted in with :D
Also the time to drone and pick your classes is way to short and stressfull.
Also would be cool if they made a class that merged kapkan and mute.
The game needs to simplify some of the gadgets. In the early game the original operator gadgets could be explained in a sentence. Now some of the gadget might take a whole paragraph to explain and their abilities last the entire round or have no limits on how they can be used. Castles can last the entire round but are placed on doors or windows. However Azami can be placed anywhere and last the entire round too.
Well..... that was certainly a transition into the sponsor of the video 😂.
I'm a mediocre mechanical player, with decent gamesense and strategy, and the only thing that's annoyed me about the "new meta" is constantly being the only defender setting up site, and dying to an Amaru Rush 5 seconds into the round. Quicker rounds, more aggression, more rapid progress through a map and quicker removal of utility are things I enjoy, I think they reward players or stacks who can make a decision early, make space for themselves, then execute the strategy. Just not when I have to do 6 reinforcements, 3 rotates, and setup all my utility, all for nothing.
Damn Gergor really hit the Gridggy
I’ve been playing siege since 2019 and I can definitely see the changes you’ve described. I’ve always been a utility fan. It’s why I prefer siege to every other FPS. But I like the util game, because I’ve been playing with it for four years. I think it makes the game fun and dynamic. But I think Ubi is starting to take it too far. Maybe it better for folks that aren’t in their late 20s, but the time it takes to learn each defender, learn each map, know sight lines, know site set ups, learn which attachments are dog water, learn synergies, like holy god almighty, I was lucky enough to get taken in by a 3 stack to learn how to play half a decade ago. I don’t know how a new player could figure all this crap out. So the game definitely needs good, snappy gun play to at least entice new FPS fans to figure it out. Or maybe release a new patch where you can only play as the original OPs and like 1-2 maps. Ease new players into it, let them learn a smaller pool of OPs, let them learn club house, coastline, and Kafe, and let them ease into the game. Trying to figure out what 20 ops do is way easier than trying to figure out 50-60. Or just say fuck it make make Rainbow 2 and GET RID OF BLACKBEARD. (Just wanted to leave a comment cuz I like your content, go Packers.)
To be fair that’s why they raised the required level to play ranked from 20 to 50, to force new players into putting more time into the game so they wouldn’t be completely thrown to the wolves, and also to slow down the amount of Smurf accounts in the lower ranks
Being honest, if you play solo queue, you can’t really rely on calls but sometimes on « logic » with hard breachers( usually if you try your allie will have low iq)and thus you need to play kills most of the time
If you play team yes gadgets are good to work with as a team, with calls(for exemple free kill if you’re iq and a mate calls where pulse roams while you would probably miss the spot early on without the call then can ying etc for plant)
For now I feel it’s balanced (as plat3/4) BUT for me the main issue is maps, most maps are getting rebuilt to be perfectly balanced everywhere for esport, where map advanced knowledge becomes unexistant out of vertical openings for « normal players ». we used to have unique maps before where you needed to think the place you were pushing/defending or not, where now you push and it’s « balanced »
admittedly I play very casually but I'm happy with where Siege is right now
I'll flip flop between between doing site setups with Goyo or Castle or do run-n-gun deep roams with Oryx and have fun either way
I personally don't understand how we have a gunning meta when weapons are almost if not in their weakest state
Nerfing the guns because the players are too good with the guns? Yea Im glad I permanently switched to Counter Strike
I enjoyed siege when the matches are slower and make it more of a tactical shooter than just a shooter
Gunfight were much more meaningful back then. Also I really miss the older movement and recoil system
the problem with siege is its to bloated, they need to cut character's not keep adding new ones, adding more over the years has made the skill level to high to the average player
I fell in love with seige because I love the strategy aspect of it, now in this meta it’s just gun and gun which hasn’t made me fall out of love with the game but it may eventually make me fall out of love for the game
I don't really follow the pro scene and I mostly play casual, so I can't say for the current meta, but this season is really fun, and fun is the most important thing when playing games.
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as a new player to seige (started y7s2) i quite like the feel of the game and how the gadgets and aiming both matter.
I agree, I'm also not the best at aiming, but I really like coordinating strats and executing them well. I think even though in 2020 the meta definitely shifted to benefit my playstyle of intel and coordination, it felt a lot worse. The newest season has struck a super nice balance between gun skill, intel, team coordination and gadget usage. It feels really intuitive and cohesive, like everything fits together now
I do also really like the new ops. They force different and also intuitive new playstyles/reactions that add to the game rather than take away from it. Although, if they keep going down this path for all the new ops, it's gonna end up being way too confusing for new and returning players once they start running out of good ideas
Overall this new season has been my favourite season in all of siege. Hopefully they can make some changes to make the intended way to play more clear, or force casuals into playing the intended way without changing anything gameplay wise. A tough task for sure, but Siege would get so much better praise once they can fix the issue with the divide in the playerbase (and also fix ranked 2.0)
There are 3 types of seige players:
Beaulo- Beaulo's are really good at the pew pew
Macie Jay- Macie's are really good at the iq
Roy- Roy's don't know how to play the game (although specifically in Roy's case, he's just hard trolling. Ironically enough he's still Emerald 2)
As a professional commenter the only problem with siege is a lack of elite skin for Maestro and that I don’t have MK17 CQB black ice
In my humble opinion as a casual player, one shot headshots feel kind of antithetical to a healthy gunfight meta, and it almost single-handedly gatekeeps the higher strategic elements at play. It sucks hard when I set up site using strats I've researched for hours, only for it to come crashing down round after round because someone clicked on my head the split second they detected another life form. When the ACTUAL meta strat (just headshot everyone lol) has nothing to do with gadgets at all and can't reasonably be counter played besides "get better at headshotting and headshot the headshotters" it doesn't motivate me to play better, it motivates me to play something else.
I feel this being mostly a utility anchor or intel gatherer in game. Most people would push me if I lose a clutch or whatever and sometimes people would point out my KDR stats, but yeah. It's just a bit wide is it?
Does R6 have an Overwatch problem? Too many maps, too many characters to balance?
Slowed down in siege as well when people started complaining about too much utility.
I liked this game because of that very thing that made it unique. If I wanted to shoot and scoot, there were other games that just did it better.
It didn't help as well when entitled pros like pengu kept ranting about "player frustration" and "omg I can't play the game" when he gets punished by gadgets-gadgets that are partially centric to the power of operators-you know, their "ABILITIES"?! Gadgets should be inherently powerful that when one gets hit by it, they should actually get punished instead of the devs toning it down to the point where people just shrug these off-it's like neutering punishes in fighting games when one keeps throwing out launchers or supers.
People are getting exceedingly entitled.
yep, siege player didnt never know what they actually want. Slowing down the game and utility based, they complain because its too much utility and too strong, nerfing gadget and rely on gun they gonna say "this game is bad its just another cod copy". I mean dude, learn the game and the change they did instead complain over and over, the game change because you all ask for it and again the game need to change because you guys didnt want to keep play the same thing for long time, the current siege is fun and i really enjoying it a lot and i cant wait the next change they gonna do (frost and shield rework).
since you bring fighting game, the fgc always excited (and adapting) with new stuff and change in their game and its kinda put siege community to shame lol
R6 used to be a twitchy resoonsive shooter with gadgets, now it is a slow shooter with gadgets. There is no getting rid of the gun meta.
Take a look at Dota 2, a game that has been around longer than Siege, but has evolved a lot.