How to make the 1860 Final Design Enfield Paper Cartridge
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- Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2024
- In this video we will demonstrate how to make the final iteration of the paper cartridge designed for the P1853 rifle musket. The ammunition for the 1853 Enfield evolved rapidly from about 1851 to 1860, progressing from at first being a somewhat radical design, to state-of-the-art, to obsolete, all in the space of about a decade. This version of the Enfield cartridge is arguably the pinnacle of muzzle loading ammunition technology.
The English Cartridge: Pattern 1853 Rifle-Musket Ammunition - Brett Gibbons
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Cartridge templates:
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Noe Bullet Moulds:
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Note: Some people have reported problems getting the plugs to eject from the mold. You might try spraying your mold with spray cooking oil before filling with Bondo.
I no longer recommend Bondo, and instead use clay and fire the plugs, to make fired clay plugs as were used in period. Search for my other videos on that.
The Gibbons book is certainly a must have.
Started making paper patch cartridges back in the mid 70's when I got in to black powder. I had built a copy of a Hawkins rifle on display at Jefferson Memorial, I had a master gunsmith coach me name Clyde, the rifle was 54 caliber. Clyde taught me about and how to make paper patch cartridges identical to these. This was excellent, narration was concise and clear. Thank you
Excellent tutorial on making Pritchett cartridges and book recommendation. Thanks!
You may be interested in this video on the "Pritchett": ruclips.net/video/8uSqQzWF3ts/видео.html
Excellent tutorial. I too am a Pritchett bullet disciple. It should also be mentioned that the crimped end be tied as tight as possible to prevent the melted lube from entering and causing the paper to stick to the base of the ball. Same with the slotted outer wrapper. Any wax soaking through the wrapping or the paper itself will cause the paper to stick. Either of these occurrences can produce flyers down range. The outer wrapper should definitely be linen paper but the powder cylinder wrapper can be wood-pulp paper. I've used newsprint paper with excellent results. I really like the steel patterns. I have a mandrel turned from aluminum from my former. Where did you get the printed mandrels?
Hi John, great info, thanks! I 3D print the mandrel and former tools myself. The period kit only had 1 mandrel and 1 former - I believe that in period they used the powder cylinder on it's mandrel, with the bullet, as a "mandrel" for the bullet end of the cartridge. I find it easier to roll it on its own mandrel and then drop the bullet in afterwards. This lets one make up a lot of individual components (bullet end, powder end) separately to be assembled later at one's leisure.
I'll be offering the mandrels and former for sale shortly.
@@musketmatters2004 My aluminum mandrel is patterned on the one in the original drawings. I've always rolled them with the cylinder first and then rolled the ball and outer wrapper around it. Brett repeatedly stated that the cartridge must be rolled as tightly as possible. But I'm always on the lookout for a better way of doing them. I'm very interested in acquiring the pieces when you get to offering them.
@@johnmcdonald587 You are correct - in period there was only one mandrel, and that was for the powder tube. Then the tube and bullet were rolled together in the outer wrapper. This way the paper was wrapped as tightly as possible about the bullet.
Nice vid. I have a Snider and Martini I have yet to shoot but a P53 would be a lot of fun. Hard to source the right bullets though
NOE Bullet Moulds makes bullet moulds for both the .568 Pritchett and the .550 Boxer Pattern Pritchett! I own the four-chamber mould but still need to get the handles.
Would the .550 template work for the .539 Lorenz bullet which was wrapped in essentially the same manner?
It appears that the .550 template results in a trapezoid that exactly "meets up" at the bottom edge of the bullet with no overlap of the ends of the paper. We would probably need to modify the trapezoid shape to be slightly smaller so that when wrapped to .539 there is no overlap where the two end of the paper meet at the base of the bullet.
Brett is my friend and we live very close to each other too
Don’t forget to grease them with cow or pig fat. Guaranteed to cause a mutiny!
Sadly NOE is out of all their pritchett molds and hasn't responded to my email in over a month.
Thankfully, i managed to get a custom mold from another place that doesnt need the plugs. Now i just need to figure out how to make good casts for em. thanks for the video!
though it is a .563 bullet, will there be any issue using your templates with that? i didnt think about it before putting in an order
You can try using the bullet itself as a mold, and putting a ball of milliput or something similar into the cavity and letting it harden.
This cartridge is the 1860 variant, which used a .550 bullet. If you use a larger diameter bullet the paper will not wrap as completely around the bullet. In addition, the finished powder chamber, wrapped around a .48 mandrel, will not match the diameter of the bullet, and will be undersized and loose inside the outer wrapper. Earlier versions of the cartridge intended for the .568 bullet utilized a 1/2" mandrel for the powder chamber.
Forth Armoury will be selling the 1855 pattern templates and mandrels shortly.
Great to know. I will certainly get a set of those if you come out with them, thanks
Can you use wax thread when making your choke string?
Any tough string will do. I would imagine waxed string would tend to stick to itself and the cartridge though.
@musketmatters2004 that's what I was thinking. Thank you
Sir which rifled musket are shooting? One with progressiv rifling? Ich heared that intalian made Rifled Muskets has no progressive Rifling which causes probably low accuracy while Shooting them?
I have a Euroarms P1853 with a Whitacre barrel with progressive depth rifling. I also have a Pedersoli P1858 which is button rifled without progressive depth.
What size template would I need for a 50 cal.
You would have to create one from scratch. The Enfield was .58.
Forth armoury appears to be out of business, the site took the money weeks ago, but they never shipped and all emails have gone unanswered
Nope, we're still around. I'll look for your order now.
Glad your still in business, and glad I left this note :)
I wonder if wood putty would work in the mold ?
I have not tried that. I have tried Sculpy clay, Bondo, and actual clay fired in a kiln. The fired clay plugs are rock-hard and just like the originals used in the final iteration of the Enfield cartridge.
@musketmatters2004 why did you switch to bondo? Was there a difference in performance/accuracy?
@@mulehead99 Over the years I tried Sculpy Putty and Bondo before I settled on fired clay. I don't think I ever fired any of the Sculpy plugs. The Bondo plugs worked fine. Clay plugs are rock hard and probably provide the best deformation of the lead without deforming themselves. Clay is what the British ultimately settled on, after Boxwood.
@musketmatters2004 glad to hear that. I bought the low fire clay and followed your video and did initial baking in oven for 40 minutes, then stuck a couple hundred of them in a soup can with handle into a charcoal fire for a couple of hours while casting the bullets. They came out great and seem pretty hard.
@@mulehead99 Yes, I believe the fired clay is the best choice.
Good video, but the 300dB throat clearing sort of blew my eardrums out
aah poor you
Sheesh, didn't you notice that you moved your hands out of view while performing some of the steps making the cartridge?
Unfortunately, I can't tell while filming, and didn't feel like trying to re-shoot the scene. I try to pay more attention on later videos. I even put a tape marker on the table so I know where my hands need to be.
@@musketmatters2004 that would be appreciated. The content was great, and I learned a huge amount so thanks for that.
The company that sold the templates seems to have closed it's website, maybe someone will put the dimensions online somewhere for the DIY crowd.
I'm actually having a Pritchard mold made in 450 and hopefully Al at NOE will get it done this year but he's really backed up (it costs $300 to get the cherry ground) and then the plan is to downsize the templates to fit the smaller caliber
@@bobjoatmon1993 The company that sells the templates is mine. It is still up at www.forth-armoury.com .
@@musketmatters2004 thanks, going there now.
Update, ordered
GOOD ON YA SON....THERE ARE SOME NUMPTIES ACTUALLY FIRING GUNS....WELL; I NEVER....AND THEY WONDER WHY THE PEELERS CRACK DOWN ON YOU........MOST OF THIS CONTENT SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED ON THE TUBE....@@musketmatters2004