I’ve been saying this for quite a while. The guru program needs to be disbanded. There’s no reason for the community to have access to game devs in this manner. It just creates problems. The community thinks that the gurus are their friends, and they can speak to them like they’re on a familiar basis.
The Sims Community has gotten a lot more toxic since Elon Musk took over Twitter. It's no longer practical for the guru program to even be on X. To disband entirely I would disagree.
There is a huge difference between harassment and voicing your concerns and giving constructive criticism, and a lot of people in the community need to learn that. I seriously cannot stand people who try to disguise their harassment as criticism or even a "joke". I definitely think not having snow in the new world was a way to cut corners cause honestly, the only world it makes sense to NOT have snow, is Sulani.
@@astralhorrorshow Agreed. They're deserts (and while some deserts DO have snow, the ones in TS4 are clearly meant to be more akin to the Sahara than Antarctica). Even rain is scarce there.
Players shouldn't harass sim gurus, but if a player has the seasons game pack that they paid for, it should be involved with every expansion pack that comes out
@@sabueso344 Oasis Springs, Tomarang, Sulani, Strangerville all are at climates that don't do snow. Doesn't mean our holiday decorations like winter lights won't go up though. Just not everywhere gets snow, agreed
@@EyeKahnography and like the actual romanians have spoken up about it and said its fine and accurate enough they dont care it doesnt snow. People from other countries need to immediately hush when the residents of the area speak up.
I think there is growing tensions between the sims community and the sims gurus. For awhile now sims fans have been so frustrated with lackluster expansion packs and the greed that EA has shown. I think there is disrespectful individuals and i think there are people with actual criticisms. Never the less, Harassing people is NEVER ok. But the tensions are only ever gonna grow because the sims game isn’t what people want and it never will be what people expect it to be.
The sims team know exactly what they're doing and they keep doing it anyway, they're throwing gas on the fire with every decision they make to cut content for their audience so it should be no surprise that it is driving their customers into a fury. There hasn't been a single pack since vampires that didn't have a MAJOR drawback or letdown, most of them only coming out after release. The sims team may not deserve harassment but they should not in any way be surprised by it.
The Gurus are the only face of the Sims 4 and further the only way for players to vent thier frustrations about EA. The true developmental decision makers don't interact with the public. The gurus are all anyone has access to so they get the full brunt of the blows. Is it right? No. But it will be a continously problem unless the team puts a filter between themselves and thier social media's.
Real, a lot of criticism is valid but some certain people take things too far and threaten. The gurus might want to choose a safer platform than Twitter because there is a lot of hate and drama in general. Literally every day there’s some nonsense dramas
It is Never okay to harass anyone for any reason! I will say that choosing not to have seasons could have been interesting had if it felt as though the eternal autumn idea had really been thought through. I have seen some beautiful photos of Romania in autumn and the lack of fall foliage and occasional snow dustings seems more like saving budgets and cutting corners.
There was that incident with people sending modders death threats awhile back, and then this. The Sims community has always had a toxic side for some reason, but it's gotten a lot worse. I don't even like talking about The Sims with others online anymore. I've seen WoW forums with less toxicity (Not the official ones, mind you)
Bruh, you can't say much on the Wow forums (official) without bans and stuff. On EU AD we called a paedophile, and I was banned for calling them Lilynonce (their name is Lilynore) for 14 days cause they and the paedo gang reported my comment. The official ones is not that toxic, you need to look for it to find it. Toxic is an overused word anyway.
How long have the Sim Gurus been in this community? I'm not saying harassment is ok, it's never ok, but at this point they should know controversial stuff is gonna be controversial. They need to learn how to either handle the response, or just don't say anything at all. Frankly EA should be hiring a real PR team to deal with this stuff, not leave it to these game developers who don't have the skin for public relations. PR is a tough gig for people with thick skin.
I don't think it's fair to say they don't have the skin for it. Most of them come across as strong people to me, but even strong people can be pushed to a breaking point.
There’s so excuse for harassment but I definitely see the frustration. It was 100% an excuse, there has been more than one time he and other SimGuru’s have made excuses for cutting content. It’s a constant problem. The trees are mostly green year-round in Ravenwood and doesn’t look autumn but more so summer which is the base-game season. We are tired of the development team cutting corners and making excuses for it, sorry. Even though it might not be Maxis, it may be budget constraints from EA and they had no choice etc. We just don’t know, but we pay A LOT of money for these packs and we are tired of being used for our money, from EA or Maxis!! Let’s be honest, it’s Twitter. He’s a 40 yr man his boss probably told him to just deactivate his account and resume a later time.
When a mod creator can create what they left out in the time between the release and now, it is absolutely not a budget problem. They're straight cutting corners doing the bare minimum to get the pack to sell as much at release until the bad news comes out, and it always does. Since vampires there's not been one solid pack. I thought this might be the one but no, major corners cut, now it makes sense why it seemed more fleshed out than other packs. They had to cut something. Who ever is deciding their deadlines and pack content limits needs to be fired yesterday.
Hmm I think being threatened at any age isn’t anything to do with their job. People still have feelings. But agreed there’s always drama and the snow thing was a mistake by the ea team, people pay a lot to play the sims so ofc they’re bound to complain (without threatening)
40 year old men have feelings and can get pushed to their breaking point too. And what you said about how it may not be Maxis is exactly why I feel people shouldn't be going off on the Gurus at all. It's EA we need to be blaming/holding accountable instead of shooting the messengers, IMO.
If we have Seasons installed, we should have seasons in all worlds. Even though Sulani is a tropical world, in the fall and winter, it still gets cold at night. Depending on where you are in Mt. Komorebi, it will be hot in the summer. Not having seasons affect Ravenwood and claiming it's because the world is frozen in time feels a bit lazy to me. There are countless depictions of otherwordly places being covered in a blanket of snow in movies and literature. It's still no excuse to harass the gurus about it tho. That's unacceptable and shameful of the community to do. (Also the rapidly scrolling text hurts my eyes and I have to look away. I'm not photosensitive but I think that could trigger it in someone that is.)
@@sabueso344 but the pack is called seasons, not weather. it doesnt need to include snow, but the seasons dont change at all. it could be a chilly frosty winter with no ground snow if they really didnt think that environment was cold enough to have a snowy winter, but they just didnt do that or anything for any season. bet someone cut corners so the pack could be released by halloween.
This is the result of a giant corporation gaslighting, insulting and completely ignoring the ones that make them. The breaking point happened and it is life
More specifically, it is the fault of the higher-ups and shareholders. It is NOT SimGuruNinja's fault (for all we know, he actually wanted snow in the new world and fought for it but was outvoted/over ruled- which of course he's not going to be allowed to say). And even if it was, harassment is NEVER okay.
@SuperSimmerGal pretty sure I was just stating the facts so get off your high horse and don't lecture me about harassment...people are beyond frustrated and this is what happens
@@lunawolf2151 I was also stating the facts. I agree I did a pretty poor job of it though. All I was trying to say is that, while I understand being frustrated, people, IMO should not be taking it out on the Gurus since, as you pointed out, it's the corporate side that is to blame here. I just feel like, by saying the breaking point happened and that's life, you were trying to excuse the harassment. But perhaps you weren't, and I apologize if I misinterpreted.
Death threats and abuse over anything are insane. Nobody deserves that. Even though it started with snow, a lot of the criticism wasn't just about snow. The snow discourse just got pulled into the complaints about the autumn SimGuruNinja mentioned being non existant in the game itself Because when we have a guru telling us that they made a creative choice to have the world in permanent autumn and then we actually see the world and over half of it is stuck in perpetual spring/summer, then people are going to have questions and criticism regarding what we've been told and how it doesnt match up with what we're seeing in game. The world is clearly unfinished, to me. There's leaf fall underneath trees that dont show any stage of autumnal progression or transition. And when we have a guru telling us that the spring/summer we're seeing is actually autumn, then of course simmers are going to feel they're being taken for fools and lied to Like if you tell me you've got a pumpkin for me, offer me an orange and then try to tell me that orange is a pumpkin then I'm not going to be happy, am I? Because at that point, it's either devs not knowing what the game they've created even looks like by the time it goes to release or an outright lie/excuse and neither one inspires confidence The gurus have promised transparency going forward but where was the transparency in trying to convince us all the world we got in game is an autumn one instead of just being straight with us about any mistakes, restrictions etc that stopped them from following through on what they're claiming the world is supposed to be?
They can only be as transparent as EA allows them to, though. And I wonder what would have happened if someone had simply asked SimGuruNinja respectfully why not all of the world actually appears to be in autumn. Who knows, maybe he would have shed more light on the situation.
the sim gurus seem to forget that this is a SANDBOX game, if their reason for no weather in this particular world is by creative design whatever, but it just sounds like an excuse to put as minimal effort as possible, we as the player should be able to control the weather how we see fit, if we don’t want weather in that particular world, then we should be able to turn it on and off if we want, I just don’t believe not making certain things options for the player and then using the guise of “creative decision” to just be lazy, it’s so asinine to me, the sims 2’s weather feature literally made it so we can make it all one season, half a season or another half season or mix and match seasons, we’re in 2024, there’s no reason why the sims 4 doesn’t have options like that
@@uviana239 i don't live in Mexico, but it actually snowing in Mexico City ( the city where ciudad enamorada is based on ) is a once-in-a-generation experience. hence the developers didnt include snow in the EP. so, what's the problem? It doesn't snow in Sulani, it doesn't snow in Oasis Springs, Del Sol Valley, etc. It only makes sense they didn't include snow in a new world with a hot climate
@@umgarotoaleatorio7044there’s still weather in those worlds, this world doesn’t have any which is the point, regardless WE should be given the options to turn those features on and off, so when the sims team makes up these half baked ass excuses not to included something, nobody should be surprised that ppl are getting mad seeing as they’ve been scamming us out of content for the past decade, and we shouldn’t have to rely on modders to include missing features, the sims team should just do their fvcking jobs
It's not the gurus who forget, IMO. It's the higher-ups at EA and the shareholders. They (higher-ups and shareholders) are also responsible for corners being cut. They want each pack made as quickly as possible, with as few people as possible (less salaries to have to pay), with as little money as possible. The devs aren't lazy, they are simply not given the time or resources to do things properly.
@@umgarotoaleatorio7044Completely agree. Different places in the real world have different climates, and I'm glad the worlds in Sims 4 do as well (and it's worth noting that the vacation worlds in Sims 3 also didn't have seasons, but yet nobody complains about not being able to have snow in, say, Egypt). There are plenty of worlds to choose from of you want snow.
I understand that simmers are frustrated because it feels like the sims team is not listening to their player base. The Sims teams really needs to start listening to their players. However, harassment is never the answer! This is not the way that we encourage change. As much as the sims teams should listen to the players, they shouldn’t be harassed in the process.
I also think it could very well be that the actual dev team DOES listen, but the higher-ups refuse to let them add or remove certain things from the game. Apparently the reason we got toilets in the base game (yes, you read that correctly) is because the devs fought tooth and nail for it. I wouldn't be surprised if they've fought for other things to be included in the game as well, but were unfortunately over-ruled.
Can I see the harassment? Even an example. People giving criticism and being disappointed is not harassment. SimGuruNinja has pulled this song and dance before. And I've seen people call saying "EA is lazy" bullying. Which is lol. So I'll need to see something here. What are we defining as harassment?
Just came back to say, the modder I mentioned received death threats (and showed proof). And these people were attacking him in the name of SimGuruNinja So now I saw more harassment and bullying done in his name, than done towards him. Anyone gonna highlight this? Anyone gonna acknowledge that the rumor mill and hysteria that was whipped up didn't help? People were too busy being angry and repeating what they heard from others, and here we are. Dave deactivates literally every time his pack gets crit. That wasn't news. But people assumed that there must've been something horrible, and away they went. And I asked several people for the recipts, I tried to be accepting of new info. No one saw anything, they just heard about it. Or , like what they've done in the modder's case, they've overblown things. I'm even seeing people blame The Henford Hen now. And meanwhile he was SO nice and polite. All he did was display mild dissatisfaction. This is why I wanted the receipts, this is why we needed to know if anything was actually happening first. And btw, the fact that they had to aim for CBXSims almost proves that nothing happened. Because why was he enemy number one for making a cheeky EA lazy joke, when allegedly people were sending SimGuruNinja death threats and actual harassment? From my perspective. It looks like the fandom wanted to blame someone - ANYONE for Dave deactivating. It had to be serious threats to his life, because what else could it be. Couldn't be that he simply couldn't take criticism. Nooo, that's not dramatic enough. And yes, I'm actually very upset. Because the same fandom that treats not liking a pack well enough, as bullying The people who see "I don't like that decision, it feels like corners have been cut" as vicious harassment. Has thought it reasonable to tell a person to a person to off themselves. The hypocrisy is off the charts.
I think there may be a fundamental misunderstanding of the definition of harassment and bullying. I think you may believe it has to have a... more violent tone for it to meet the legal and sociological definition. it doesnt. check it out
@@jusletursoulglobaby May I see the harassment? If someone has collected screenshots on Twitter you can tell me their username. May I get an example, even? Especially for the death threats people are talking about. (I've asked if they themselves have seen it. And in all cases so far people are telling me that it's just something they heard from someone) People are calling The Henford Hen out (even a comment on this very video). When he was being gentle and polite about his disappointment. So, maybe I do need to see what you define as harassment, and how it justifies the witch hunt happening now.
The way the sims community is so sensitive about any criticism I find it hard to believe he was actually harassed. He probably got annoyed with all the negative feedback. In the sims community you can’t complain about or criticize anything, I could be wrong but there’s definitely a pattern
I've seen comments like this popping up a lot, and it makes me sad to think that people are vilifying them. Reading between the lines, I honestly think a lot of the gurus are just as frustrated as the fans and would love to be more honest. But they don't have control over what goes into the game (aside from trying to bring fans' complaints to the higher-ups) and can only say what EA allows them to, so their hands are pretty well tied.
I havent heard a thing about any game breaking bugs with this ep release. This shoyld ve a win for the community! Especially after the disaster that came with lovestruck! But people are treating the lack of snow in one world as if its just as bad as all those bugs and harrassing sim gurus over it. This community truly does just love to complain! Can we not just enjoy when they do something right? Why do we gave to take such a small non-issue and blow it up into literal harassment????
At the same time, i did pay for the seasons pack, and romania (the country this pack is apparently based on) has snow. EA were just being lazy as always.
For people who don't use mods so they usually don't even have bugs, not making the packs cross pack compatiblr is not acceptable. Its not a 'oh we didn't give snow so people with mods won't have bugs' or something. Its not a win, not introducing bugs should be the basic stabdards. Then they also didn't give seasons to an entire world. It is as bad or worse than a few bugs that mostly only happen to people who use unofficial mods.
@@andyv2209 the lovestruck EP and update caused many game breaking bugs and one of the big topics of discussion was that it was happening to players who did Infact not have mods installed. The life and death pack is a big win for simmers as it is the first expansion pack in a long time that actually feels like an expansion pack and didn't cause several bugs that break the game for a large group of players. For once maxis did something that was actually good and yes it would have been nice for us to be able to have snow, but this isn't the first world that doesn't have all season. While it is okay to voice an opinion and say that you want snow in this world, it to a not okay to harrass the gurus about it. The fact that this is being treated as an issue that is on the same level as game breaking bugs is rediculous. Harassing gurus or anyone is never okay. The pack is good, it has its flaws but overall it is good. Voice your opinion, give feed back, but dont harrass people over the fact that this one world doesn't have one feature you wish it did.
@Moss_piglet13 I get that its good that it didn't introduce new bugs but that should be a standard for every released pack. They didn't introduce new bugs but it shouldn't be a trade off of bugs or a full pack. They didn't do something good, they did something they should always do but in order to do it they again cut content that should have been included. You can't call that a win. You can say 'finally we at least got a half assed pack that doesn't break the game but it still sucks that its half complete.' Doing something that's expected of you doesn't make up for not doing something else that's expected of you. It's like the creators are going through each pack and picking out at least one major feature each to cut out or save for a later pack. Cutting out things that simmers wont notice in trailers, they won't notice until a few hours of play time. Its not right and excusing them just because they did something they should be doing anyway is telling them that we are ok with chopped out features and lackluster shells of packs and content. And yes it it's the first non-vacation world that does not have proper designated seasons that match the location theyre based on. And i didn't say they should be harassed. Just they they should absolutely expect harassment when they make decisions like this, sneaky decisions to cut things that people won't realize until theyve made the biggest chunk of their sales. They dangle something we want in front of our eyes to distract us just long enough to get their money, then we find the skeletons in the closets after actually playing the packs. There's always a large drawback. This time, it wasnt bugs, it was something else, but it was still something. There's always something. And that's why people are getting so incensed. They know what they're doing and they keep doing it because they get away with it because people defend them like you are, for giving us an almost complete pack when usually they give us an almost complete and half broken pack. Give us a complete and non-broken pack for once. They haven't since 2017. Its not going to get better, the fans are not going to get happier until they release something without cut corners. Also why did you like your own comment?
All of this over some SNOW! As if SEASONS is only about some friggin snow! It’s more than that and there are other worlds you can experience snow! Jesus. Don’t like it, don’t buy it. It’s simple.
its not about the snow itself, they could have very well made a world that makes sense to not have ground snow during winter without weather manipulation, but no, they didnt add any seasons at all, to an entire world. the problem with 'dont like it dont buy it' is that, there are things in the pack that are likable enough to buy it, and there are things that a customer should be able to expect when they have paid for the seasons expansion pack, and that is for it to apply seasons to all new worlds. disliking one feature of a game and sharing your critique isnt a big enough reason to not buy a product that will add to your game experience. when a company is taking advantage of your money and sneakily removing expected features to maximize profit, that is worthy of criticism. you dont have to be in love with every aspect of something to want to buy it. you dont have to hate the sims team to criticize their decisions.
So we should all just accept buggy, dodgy EP’s with limited game play and cash grabbing packs no one wants? I don’t appreciate being called toxic for not having a hive mind mentality.
@meh9677 no. There are Countries in REAL life that don't really have Seasonal changes. What are you going to do..yell at God? Complain? Get real people.
What's the point of these gurus, apart from how ✨️nicely✨️ they communicate with ✨️bloggers from the gamechanger program✨️? Is that work? Is this really what the sims community is missing? 🤣
Right!? The fact that I'm hearing so much about a lack of snow instead of an endless list of bugs with this update should be a win! But the comunity is acting as if not having snow in one world is just as bad as the game breaking bugs that came with lovestruck. No matter what harassment is never okay but especially when it's about something so small!
im not one to say im mad, cus i never bought it, but imagine having seasons pack and not being able to have seasons in the world you also paid 40 dollars for?? This is just lazy and an excuse. They will fix wedding pack in ten years, or pretty much never.
Ppl shouldn’t bother harassing just speak with your money stop buying crap that isn’t good enough 🤦🏻♀️ I was gonna buy this it would be my first purchase since seasons bc it’s too buggy to play but with all the seasons stuff and the fact that nervous isn’t actually the Grimm reapers son has made me decide not too it’s too bad I was excited for a sims 4 pack but it ended up still being a let down however I will not I repeat I will not harass anyone on the EA team over it and anyone who does needs to grow up and just stop buying sims 4 content its that simple!
While I get what you're saying, some people may buy it because they really like and want other aspects of it (like rebirthing, funerals or the Grim Reaper career).
People will spend $40 bucks on a bug filled mess, spend another $40 on a second bugged filled ness then complain the second bug filled mess isnt affected by the fors bug filled mess
I'm sick of people sucking up to the gurus and acting like we're supposed to coddle them when they've consistently displayed a lack of care for the community and the game. If this was a lesser known franchise making this many mistakes, no one would give them as much grace. People can only offer so much constructive criticism before they realize the gurus aren't listening at all.
@@aurorebergen2779 This isn't harassment. We're just using that word loosely now because we feel bad since Ninja got his feelings hurt over the many poor decisions the devs have allowed to happen because they want money.
People have also said he received death threats so I don’t blame them for deactivating. Even if gurus aren’t listening that doesn’t mean harassment is the key. I think Dave can tell the difference between criticism and harassment as a professional so if he deactivated, it’s highly likely from ppl being incredibly rude not fear of criticism.
@@eviesunshine9256 The criticism can be rude. It doesn't have to be constructive because they don't listen to constructive criticism. How many more broken releases and new game breaking bugs does it take? How many packs no one asked for? How much basic content locked behind paywalls?
The fact that people don’t understand how to do constructive criticism and resort to harassment is beyond madness, I hate to say it but I feel ashamed to even be a fan of the sims.
That's partly why i give up on this game. Them overreacting to weird things. I know i'm a sour person when it comes to this game but i'm annoyed of removed, missing and newly installed features, but in this case it's a creative choice not an argument of incomitance. Of all the things they could have legit been angry at as a community, they're throwing death threats at devs over them choosing to have a fall only town o.0? The misplace weird explosive drama they're always bringing up as a community is annoying. I choose to rag on the game because i don't like it nor am i playing or paying for it, id love to love it but i don't because i loved the past games and wish this game could put in the same amount of creativity and quality and a lot of stuff in sims 4's content genuinely bug me. I can't wrap my head around other people supposedly liking the game but have so much negative things to say about it all the time, they pay literal hundreds to over a thousand $$$ on it while consistently having something negative to say about it..... If they dislike it so much then why do they keep buying into it? This isn't even a bugs and glitches problem, it's a creative decision and even that they have a problem with, that's not them saying they love the game but think it has problems that need fixing like glitches for example, that's them saying they're going to complain about the game REGARDLESS of what's happening in it, so why the hell are they still buying it?! I just want a different franchise now. I'm tired of the sims and it's community.
tbh I like that Ravenwood doesn't have snow. it's based on Romania and in the part of Romania where I live, it hasn't snowed properly in years. in some years, it doesn't snow at all. so for me, this is more realistic.
I actually like the idea of an autumn world. We have summer themed worlds and a winter themed world. Makes sense. As a developer in another industry, the entitlement of simmers infuriates me. It’s a literal game. Don’t play if it makes you that upset.
I feel like its okay to have certain worlds limited to a season or weather. People want the Sims 4 to be realistic/immersive but also want to be able to do everything they want and control everything? I'm not saying its the reasoning to why it happened or they should make a pattern of it, but I do think its dumb to harass someone over it. A lot of these toxic people are grown adults who think they're the only people that the gurus should listen to.
the sims 4 is a SANDBOX GAME, that the point, if we cant change something as integral to the game like weather what does that say about the gurus lack of ambition that they can’t give us the options to customize different seasons and weather
Honestly the snow issue is pretty split between everyone in the community. The poll was also reflective of that. A lot were unhappy with the creative decision of the snow but many like myself thought that a world stuck in time would also have a lack of summer or winter weather. I don't think the majority of us were unhappy about the lack of snow but a split amount of those in the community were. Was it lazy? I'm of the opinion that it wasn't but I can see the argument for the latter half though.
@@meh9677 Sims 4 Dev team is different from EA as an entity itself. I mind you, EA is a huge conglomerate that manages an array of dev teams. EA itself is the huge division managing games like PVZ, Sports titles, The sims franchise and many more. They are also responsible for the budgets given to their dev teams and that includes budgets for the sims franchise as a whole. Of course we're talking about EA but by saying the sims devs "were too lazy to code" is probably an unnuanced take as well. Who knows what happened but It definitely wasn't lazy coding on their part. This EP as a whole had a ton added to it compared to previous packs. I wouldn't call that lazy. I would put blame on the art direction since they wanted the world to fit the lore of the sims who reside in it. I wouldn't call that lazy at all.
@@meh9677 You actually did but okay. "ofc they didn't want to code snow" The sims team is in charge of coding, not EA. EA manages the budget and timeline of game production, they don't code at all.
@@Nominaze yeah, which makes me extremely sad when i think of how good sims 2 and 3 were. hell, even sims 1 was funnier, more entertaining, and more chaotic (in a good way) than sims 4 will ever be.
The henfordhen was the one who started the discourse around no snow and was even commenting under simguruninjas post being salty about no snow in ravenwood,but people are calling out CBX sims for some slight shade....but the same people will stay silence when it comes to the henfordhen because he's peoples "fave" will go on to shame CBX.people need to leave the gurus alone and play the new damn pack and be happy.
Why are you even name dropping who started it if they didn't tell anyone to behave the way they chose to behave? I get that you're doing it because they're pointing at someone else for starting it, but you doing that with a name attached is like telling them to go at that other person.
First thank you for making this video. I was seeing some tweets and stuff on facebook but didn’t know what was happening. All I knew was he deactivated his account but didn’t know why except for the harassment and I thought my God why are they treating a person this way! It made me sad ! There is no excuse for people to act this way! I feel the same way you do. 😢
They will. People have huge expectations for Paralives - expectations it can't possibly meet. Once the hype dies down and these same people find out the game isn't perfect, they will go after them just as viciously.
@@warzshadow9701 the other games seem to actually be listening to their audiences so i don't think they'll get nearly the amount of hate as the sims team.
Sims fans have send their concerns and feedback and it has been ignore time and time to a point the sims fandom has reached its breaking point and if you reach that point its basically anarchy, no more empathy left and if it doesnt go the nice way then the hard way it is. Its sad, i dont think its entirely the sims guru faults but they also have been extremely arrogant and sadly people have reached their limit
The harassment is unnecessary but its the internet and he did the right thing by logging off 🤷🏿♀️. Simgurus need to move on to other projects, the sims 4 over stayed its welcome at this point. Hopefully next year people move on to other life simulators and the sims 4 can finally end. EA lucky to have the sims community even though it can be toxic but that doesn't matter because they are paying consumers and modders fix or patch the game.
The "sims community" is very entitled, mean, rude, and disrespectful. Most simmer are not apart of the "sims community".. they disrespect the modders, the sims gurus, normal sims players and sims content creators
Honestly it’s like just play the game or don’t. It’s never that deep ova snow . At this point I think people be trying to speak for there sims characters like they people
No one deserves death threats, no one deserves the insane amount of harassment modders and Gurus have been getting lately. That being said, The real problem is the frustration is directed at the wrong people. The problem is some person and/or group of Executives at EA have decided that efficiency and profit must come above quality at all costs. The proof of this statement has been shown for the last 10 years in their releases. This disregard of the player base by the parent company's Executive team, in favor of profits year over year, that has forced Maxis Sims Studio to release broken, glaringly not Quality checked, capitalistically separated (Supernatural, Generations) watered down and incomplete packs has cause anger and frustration to boil for years. This has now reached to the point where any one who has anything to do with the game's development, including the modding community (turbodriver), are receiving the unwarranted and outlandish backlash of the player base. I say again, no one deserves harassment or death threats, but Electronic Arts refusal to take accountability or ownership of the problem they have created over the last decade is boiling over.
when i heard about dave(ninja), it was like a punch to the gut. it felt like i lost another best friend. there was no need for threats and harassments. if this continue, we may no longer get more dlc's.
We kinda need to shelve sims 4 or at least get the gurus offline I feel like it’s for the community’s sake. Sims 3 and sims 2 communities don’t feel nearly as vicious bc those games are finished.
I wish i could customize seasons like in sims 2..... I love having all four seasons for some worlds, some seasons for others, and 1 for some. To me it gets boring only having things 1 way, i even like the inconveniences because it keeps the game not being boring for me. But i much prefer custom making my own worlds and the seasons that goes along with them.
Lol, I kinda feel that this is EA's chickens coming home to roost. EA made a lackluster game and rewarded toxic positivity in the Sims community. This level of harassment is not surprising. If EA wasn't a grimy, greedy company, they could have seen this coming from a mile away. I feel bad for the guru, but I hope EA learns from this.
@sabueso344 I don't believe I ever gave an excuse for that behavior... but context does matter. I am looking at this with a mezzo/macro lens. EA/sims have big issues, and the harassment of others is one of those issues that have been happening because of gaslighting and the toxic positivity that EA/sims have been condoning for years, and before the guru got harassed on Twitter. What I am hoping is that EA might do something now that it has affected one of their employees. We are allowed to feel our feelings and should be able to express our thoughts and opinions about the sims4 without people attacking us. I hope this clears up how I feel.
@giantwoman4958 "this level of harassment is not surprising" "EA made a lackluster game" these are the exact excuses these people use when harassing these devs so stop giving them.
I just think it’s funny how of all the things the gurus get criticized for, snow is what made them get ran off the platform, not selling us half baked, barely functional packs but bc snow wasn’t included in a particular world, I’ll never co sign harassment but they shouldn’t be surprised it’s come to this after years of mistreating the fanbase and treating us like we’re stupid
@sabueso344 I'm not giving excuses when, in fact, those things are real. Yes, the game has issues, along with harassment in the community. I don't condone that behavior. I didn't in my original comment or my second reply. Harassment of gurus and others is something EA should do something about. I am not saying they are 100% to blame, but that they are part of the problem. EA, at the very least, should let the sims4 community know they are against harassment of any kind to anybody. I feel that you are purposely misconstruing what I said and my response. I'm guessing you won't like this response either, but I do hope you have a wonderful weekend and week ahead.
The vocal part of the Sims community is a bunch of entitled children who are never, ever happy and scream, cry, and stamp their little feet at every little petty thing they think they must have or got screwed out of. Wahh cars. Wahh snow. Wahh updates break my mods. Wahh my game won't play because I've corrupted it with mods. Wahh more realistic pregnancy. Wahh EA is bad. Wahhh no more supernaturals, we all hate them. Wahh open world. Wahhhhhhh everyone wants this EA never listens wahhhhhhh! While the rest of us are over here, trying to report bugs, give constructive critique, and enjoy our games. I actually gave up trying to suggest to EA what I wanted nicely because nice doesn't get listened to - they actually DO listen to the nasty loud harassing people who are never happy, don't care if anyone else is happy, and constantly say how they can't wait to play Paralives. Case in point - we have infants but not faeries, don't we? Guess which one was screamed about rudely despite both being equally wanted. Been here since 2000, you all just keep getting worse. SecuROM broke my CD drive during Sims 2. Straight up forced me to buy a new one and get a no CD mod to play. I didn't harass a single EA employee to the point where they left the internet. I wasn't happy but I handled it like an adult. I even talked to EA directly via phone (so did others with the same issue) when they called about it to try to figure out the issue (the issue was SecuROM treated all CD burners as piracy and destroyed their ability to burn discs - I used mine to back up family photos...). And now here we are, hacking modders who don't update due to being on vacation and sending death threats because there's no snow in the Life and Death world. Ya'll need to turn off your games and go outside ISTG.
I think Sim Guru Ninja could have blocked those who harassed him rather than deactivating his entire account. There’s a lot of us Simmers who whilst we don’t agree, do behave! 😊 If I get a rude customer at work I don’t pull the shutter down and serve no one else. I don’t agree with the harassment. Just block those who are rude.
I never saw any death threats on Twitter (refuse to call it X) when it happened and I thought sim gurus have their DMs turned off. Did they possibly get deleted?
LOL, simmers swallow packs filled with bugs and missing features, and then go crazy about snow in a place where snow should not be. That aside, I don't believe Gurus are necessary at all, they should be fixing the game and making content instead of social media posts lol
Exactly!! I feel it’s weird that we have sim guru’s and other simmers in the EA program thing (I forgot what it’s called lol). It just feels so weird to me. I think that the only time those should exist is if they’re actively making stuff for the game like Xurelia and Ebonix. It’s fine to promote the game…but if they’re not working on game stuff I don’t think there needs to be the ea creator program and sim guru’s. Like another comment said, the sims need a PR team that handles controversy and this. Then the main thing I think everyone can agree on: the sims need to focus on fixing the game not not coming out with packs. Fix the core and existing stuff first. Don’t bird feed players the fixes that should’ve been fixed already, one big update should be fine.
Honestly, I’m not surprised that they deactivate. Some may have been valid criticisms, but too many players take it to an extreme. I really don’t think the gurus are making gameplay decisions like that. I can almost guarantee that EA wanted to cut corners to make sure that it would be released in October.
This is his job. I can’t imagine how miserable he must be having to go to work everyday with those things hanging over his shoulders. I agree with you about seasons, but like you said - there is no reason to harass someone over it.
1. Crazy how the modders have to save this game every single time for a greedy lazy company. 2. It’s been 10 years and simgurus are still sensitive? Make it make sense
I honestly thought it was perfect to have an always autumn pack. Just as well as fulani basically being just summer. I feel like it makes sense to have four different locations with set seasons. I get some people want to change that, that's what mods are for. People would rather complain about the SMALLEST things rather than compliment the rest
@aspannas it's supposed to be set around a halloween type feel. Which is autumn time typically. "Based on" doesn't mean supposed to be exactly like it. It's a fictional game. I've read books and seen plenty of movies and TV shows that are "based on" places and aren't exactly 100% the same because it doesn't fit the story. They had a story and they wanted to fit the world around it. The spooky vibes and Romanian base is where they started.
@meh9677 you can vacation in other places or install the mod that has been made if you are that very concerned with it. I also have seasons, I have a bunch of packs. Not all but a lot, when I'm buying a new pack I'm not solely focused on how well it's going to mash with every other pack. I'm buying it for the extra content. The fact they chose to integrate things with each other is great in general, but they had a story they wanted to tell 🤷♀️ creatively makes sense to me. I can choose to add mods or go to a different world with seasons. I would NEVER tell someone their trash for making an artistic choice.
@taylorthompson7525 i understand that you don't care, but i do and i think they should always give us the option to choose (unless it's a world where it makes sense to only have one season such as sulani)
I can't say I'm not angry about the mediocrity or non-existence of seasons in expansion and game pack worlds. that is not and never should be a critique of someone in community management, even if they are developers and involved in decision-making. it's why many companies have separate or even external people for community management. the privilege of talking to developers is not a given, it's a very admirable and very risky exception. and while yes, sim gurus are people, they are also direct representatives of the development team and company in a public forum and as such they have the unfortunate obligation to take blame. so, the blame itself is imo reasonable, if unfortunate. form and communication of that blame most likely won't be. that is a universal truth of social media. of course harassment is not helping anyone, but that's why I don't post on twitter. while the sims community is mostly kind and compassionate, twitter is still shaped by and in part designed for trolls and losers. sorry to be so blunt. TS4 Get Dead to me still looks like one of the best expansion packs we've had in a while, maybe ever if we're just talking sims 4 (just personal taste and opinion, chill out). tl,dr: twitter sucks. get used to that and burn it to the ground. but no matter how pointless or unjustified, community management has to take most of the blame. that's just how it works. people are stupid and entitled and rude and over-the-line and they should be called out for it, but not to expect it is a mistake. again, I'm not saying harassment or insults are justified or useful, but they are a reliable feature of public platforms.
Personally i see what the gurus are going for. Autom is the time for many pagan traditions of between life and death, that's why a lot of Eruopean old world customs traditionally happen in the fall. They want a twilight kind of time for that town between summer and winter aka life "summer" and death "winter". I'm not bothered by that at all for such a town, but they could compromise by adding another eastern European town down the line that do have snow because winter in those places is beautiful and it's a shame they don't have a town in their game based on such places that has winter.
What a ridiculous topic….. I can’t imagine actual adults were harassing some other adult creators about there not being snow in a particular world in a video game that’s whole thing is to represent different parts of the world … I don’t even know how this is an argument or up for debate in any way shape or form… Do people realize that it does NOT snow all over the world, hell it doesn’t even snow in all states in America…. This is just such a ridiculous topic. These can’t be actual adults….
I agree and disagree. Yes, there are places in the world that don't snow, even in some cold climate places in Europe like England for example, it rarely gets snow there, but this world is based on Romania..... Romania has some of the world's most deep and pretty snowy winters. So i disagree with you using some places in the world not having snow in the regard to an excuse because the place it's supposed to be based on is a snowy place. I agree with you though on the point i'm making that it doesn't need to have snow for 2 reasons.... 1 being, it simply doesn't need snow, it's not a big deal o.0.... And 2 because the world itself is somewhat based on real occultism, and in pagan European traditions, they tend to revere the Autom season as the state between life and death, summer being the life bringing season, and winter being the fall of life, the big sleep, the end of life for that time and then spring is the new life and summer being the peak of life.... Seeing as how this pack is based on life and death, i get why they chose to make it all about fall, the location is supposed to be smack dab in the center of life and death. A good fix for everyone's problem is for them to someday make another pack based in eastern Europe and have it have all 4 seasons, that way everyone gets what they want. The death pack gets to be Autom only and supernatural, and the other pack can just be regular life based in Eastern Europe.
Simmers nowadays have becoming more toxic since day 1, i mean, i am disappointed about not having snow or seasons in Ravenwood and i understand the complaints, but harrasing a guru over that is a new low, as much as i love Life and Death, i will not tolerate harassment over this, im so disappointed about the community sometimes
Harassment is just not OK. EA and the Gurus would be totally justified to totally block those who are harassing them. In many places, harassment is even a felony.
My issue with EA is their whole hearted laziness in so many aspects of the game...and influencers getting the game and instead of being honest about what does and doesn't work chooses instead to kiss EA's behind rather than make a complaint. You can't tell me that with as many influencers that got to play and build for the game that they did NOT notice that you couldn't use Seasons. Kate Emerald repeatedly in her videos said her builds were not going to be the final result but when opening the game...everything was exactly how it was in hers. So what happened to that FINAL overhaul? Did Kate lie...or did EA lie to Kate - I believe Kate. EA needs to quit expecting the community to ALWAYS fix their game with mods and actually do the work themselves - it's seriously like they shrug and go "oh well...a modder will fix it...next issue - a modder will fix it - and on and on.
EA is lazy. Their other franchises have similar issues. However, when people buy products that are sold with bugs and other issues, it encourages that lazy company that they’re doing the right thing. The only true way to show EA to change how they do business is to hurt their pockets by not buying the packs. That’s why I think they’re prolonging TS4. Simmers are still eating these packs and DLCs up. That will not discourage EA. -Yes influencers who lie also fan the flames. It’s really sad. I’ve been playing Sims since 2004. It is disheartening to see the direction EA has taken. A big, greedy corporation only knows sales or no profits. EA hasn’t seen a significant drop in sales so they won’t get any better until they do. If simmers strike, which they won’t, EA would straighten up but until then business as usual. As a simmer I still buy packs but never at full price. I’m still part of the problem unfortunately. I love this franchise but I very much dislike EA’s business practices. It has very little to do with devs on the sims. It’s the geniuses who call the shots on the business side I reckon who have wrecked this beautiful game.
@@eviesunshine9256 I am with you on every last letter of what you wrote. I've been playing for 25 years now and if it wouldn't have been for a friend gifting the pack to me I wouldn't have it. I stopped buying content after Wedding Disaster. The only way to make things change is to hit where it hurts...money.
I think the harassing people need to realize, we all have intrusive thoughts just most of it needs to stay in the head and for the sims team they need to just turn of comments whenever talking to people and just have a sight for people to go to if they ever have anything to say to them
Because the world is based on Romania and Romania has snow. I know so many Romanian players were so excited to see their country represented and now it’s not right. Also, if I paid $40 for seasons I’d expect it to work in all worlds.
I mean they signed up for this. People have been with the sims since the og and are sick of stuff not having what it should especially after something as massive as sims 3. I get its harassment but they should know by now that they'll get harassed after how broken the sims 4 is
That’s… kind of victim blaming I mean yeah I get it but like… the internet and especially twitter is ruthless with the harrassment and “they should expect to be harrassed” when they are probably underpaid devs forced to crunch time under CEOs.
@@madisontucker649 that's why in my 2nd reply i say i don't condone it. That's just how the internet has always been and if anything has gotten worse, i'm only stating the truth. I wish it wasn't like this, trust me but sadly it is
Harassment is never okay but it's completely fair to criticize there not being seasons in a world based on Romania, especially after them claiming it was a creative decision which is obviously a lie. We shouldn't have to rely on modders to give us something that should have already been included.
Yeah tbh we all adults playing a kid game so I think reflection needs to occur on a wide scale. What I will say is 1. Why can't we fish in Sulani and 2. why aren't all packs reflected in the club system? considering they've have dmnr 10 yrs to show off cross pack compatibility, I just think their constant abandonment of systems in the game is starting to bother me. If we all focused on asking for better gameplay, can you imagine just how much further this experience can go?
There are a few exp with no snow etc. if you want that buy seasons. Tons of ppl did not so why spend time adding it to everything? Also somebody made a mod for snow fall etc which works if you have seasons and a such exp without it. Use that instead ppl complaining give them a solution bc modder s worked hard on it to satisfy complaints.
Simmers have reached peak bratty behaviour, they want absolutely everything, but they don’t want to pay for any of it. It’s like they honestly believe that paying $30 in 2014 should give you a lifetime pass to the entire game. They don’t remember that what you paid for maybe, just barely covers one programmer for one hour. Just their salary. You haven’t even began adding up all the equipment they need, office space, power, water, additional staffing and so on. We are talking about a massive operation that costs tons of money. Imagine just what they spend on updates alone that they aren’t getting paid for. They allow the game to be modded to your every whim. EA gave released about 7 additional packs per year, which are completely optional to purchase. They update it every month. If you think “if they just did it correctly the first time, they wouldn’t have to” I dare you to go in to tech, it doesn’t work like that. It’s impossible to perfectly predict every bug that can happen. Then you have to go through the code, find the fault, create a work around. It’s time consuming, it’s expensive. Do I wish EA gad the balls to go, “yeah, this pack is gonna have to wait, it’s not ready in time” at times? Yes. But do I understand some times you need an income and a bad product gets released? Yes. It’s hard, it’s expensive and simmers keeps complaining at absolutely everything when most of us should be grown ups who have jobs and understand how money works. I love being able to play Sims, but honestly, the day they take it away from everyone and go, “yeah, we are done with this, with you” I will enjoy it. Use bug reports, have open discussion of things that doesn’t work, how you might fix it. But giving real life people hate because your video game isn’t working seems like a psychopath move..
We all have opinions... and you're not EA, none of us are.. This video is primarily about crossing the line from an opinion to being abusive. Who's here been a project manager on a kit/ expansion pack. Probably none of us. When you apply business economics to anything. You maximize profit by cutting costs as much as possible. While charging as much as possible. And I don't understand because you purchase EA products and you're advocating for them to be cheap. Unless we have some type of leak saying ea spent 500k on the life death expansion pack. We shouldn't be advocating for their expenses. What should the budget be for developing an expansion pack? 1 million/ half a million
I paid €70 in 2014 and €40 for weather. Since the Sims 4 is a product, I expect it to work as promised. Like every adult would. As someone who has been playing many games since the 80s, I have never seen a broken a game as the Sims 4. The whole community puts toxic positivity over quality. While every other gaming fandom voices their concerns and is awarded with a better product, simmers seem to just accept low quality. EA uses SimGurus to humanize itself. This way they can give us slop and people will still excuse it because they don’t want to hurt the developers feelings. Imagine EA were a car manufacturer that produces broken cars. The mechanics (devs) aren’t necessarily at fault, but they represent the company. Would you buy a broken car just because the poor mechanics have feelings? (Naturally you shouldn’t harass him or anyone.) It’s truly mind-boggling to see this culture of trying to censor critical voices in the name of harmony. Everyone should know that confrontation and criticism is important to improve things. To improve oneself. Every adult should be aware that an opinion is not an attack. These times are so weird. People running around and policing everything, obsessing over race and sexuality and openly spreading hate towards others. I grew up in a generation that fought for unity and forgiveness. Nowadays everyone focuses on differences and revenge. 😔
They dont want pay any of it ? Seriously? With a game that cost so much money in total ? And for what ? For shallow packs most of the time ? Many people bought shallow packs, you cant say they dont want to pay any of it like that
The host hates reality based beings and now we hate simmers. First they bully csa victims and lolicon for using a game to manage trauma and express an attraction to something healthy. Now they harass someone for an artistic creative choice, humanity is why we can't have nice things. There's no justification for taking issue with a world not having a season, period. Stop putting real world cultures in games if you can't separate reality from fiction. Inspired by a location=/= based on And also based on =/= is that location. Japan isn't in the Sims a in universe location SIMILAR to Japan is. And fyi to the "modder" you no longer have a right to complain about copyright infringement, you don't respect other people's art so no one has to respect yours. You didn't "fix" something you spat on someones painting because it didn't have the color you wanted. I do believe a better way to show what they wanted to would have been to make half the world dead and half of it teeming with life, and create a new plant that is half dead and half alive the meets in the middle of the world. Snow is a reminder of death, so perpetual spring on one end and winter on the other with an otherworldly nature in the middle would have suited better. But that being said its not my art, i wasn't the one attempting to express a creative vision only to have my work spat on by the same individuals who whine about AI. Why shouldn't EA replace its developers with machines when this is how you react to someone's art? And why shouldn't those who create set pieces and other things for the game support just feeding them into a generation machine so that you can't spit all over art you didn't make. Because your self entitled cry babies. I mean after all if you're not going to respect the story that they're trying to tell and the artwork that goes into it you're not entitled to those things having actual love and labor put behind them. And you're not entitled to disrespect someone who would put those things behind it, by forcing them to expose their genuine labor and love and work to your savagery. We fully support lazy artists using AI, right now because you aren't entitled to the hard work and loved items because all you will do is poop all over them. You don't respect them you don't respect creativity and you don't respect artists so why should artists give you their work instead of, a hollow shell? -GT1
No one should be harassed, case and point, as far as packs and such, like you said seasons, if it's meant to be a cross pack expansion, then do so, and that goes for any future packs as, it's well. It's not worth pissing off the entire sims community.
We all know EA is releasing packs that are mostly broken because they are greedy, and lazy because they omit many things just to release them in another pack, we all know it yet, we keep buying the packs so, criticize them all you want for that but, harrassment is not right. In the end, we still buy all the packs because we want to, nobody is forcing us to do it and, if someone isn't happy about not having snow in the pack, just don't buy it and problem solved.
I actually like the idea of an autumn world. We have summer themed worlds and a winter themed world. Makes sense. As a developer in another industry, the entitlement of simmers infuriates me. It’s a literal game. Don’t play if it makes you that upset.
This is his job. I can’t imagine how miserable he must be having to go to work everyday with those things hanging over his shoulders. I agree with you about seasons, but like you said - there is no reason to harass someone over it.
All of this over some SNOW! As if SEASONS is only about some friggin snow! It’s more than that and there are other worlds you can experience snow! Jesus. Don’t like it, don’t buy it. It’s simple.
I’ve been saying this for quite a while. The guru program needs to be disbanded. There’s no reason for the community to have access to game devs in this manner. It just creates problems. The community thinks that the gurus are their friends, and they can speak to them like they’re on a familiar basis.
Thank you ms Evans!!!
The Sims Community has gotten a lot more toxic since Elon Musk took over Twitter. It's no longer practical for the guru program to even be on X. To disband entirely I would disagree.
@@1mooresimmer What does people being chronically online have to do with Elon Musk’s take over of Twitter? 👀 I’m intrigued now lol
I agree, this should be handled by a professional community liaison team and not game devs.
@@1mooresimmer what does X have to do with nasty mean entitled young people?
There is a huge difference between harassment and voicing your concerns and giving constructive criticism, and a lot of people in the community need to learn that. I seriously cannot stand people who try to disguise their harassment as criticism or even a "joke". I definitely think not having snow in the new world was a way to cut corners cause honestly, the only world it makes sense to NOT have snow, is Sulani.
It’s also immature to resort to harassment.
A good way to give criticism and suggestions in a positive way is by using forums.
also, i think ciudad enamorada, oasis springs, and strangerville would make sense not to have snow too
And Oasis Spring.
@@astralhorrorshow Agreed. They're deserts (and while some deserts DO have snow, the ones in TS4 are clearly meant to be more akin to the Sahara than Antarctica). Even rain is scarce there.
These people are insane I’m sorry.. like death threats because of snow?????
FAKE snow. Not even irl snow. Ppl need to go outside and touch grass
Players shouldn't harass sim gurus, but if a player has the seasons game pack that they paid for, it should be involved with every expansion pack that comes out
Weather still exists in the world just not snow and no it shouldn't snow in every world
@@sabueso344but why can’t it be a toggle for the players? why is it something locked for players to be unable to interact with?
@@uviana239 climate each world has a different climate to make it realistic
@@sabueso344 Oasis Springs, Tomarang, Sulani, Strangerville all are at climates that don't do snow. Doesn't mean our holiday decorations like winter lights won't go up though. Just not everywhere gets snow, agreed
@@EyeKahnography and like the actual romanians have spoken up about it and said its fine and accurate enough they dont care it doesnt snow. People from other countries need to immediately hush when the residents of the area speak up.
I think there is growing tensions between the sims community and the sims gurus. For awhile now sims fans have been so frustrated with lackluster expansion packs and the greed that EA has shown. I think there is disrespectful individuals and i think there are people with actual criticisms. Never the less, Harassing people is NEVER ok. But the tensions are only ever gonna grow because the sims game isn’t what people want and it never will be what people expect it to be.
The sims team know exactly what they're doing and they keep doing it anyway, they're throwing gas on the fire with every decision they make to cut content for their audience so it should be no surprise that it is driving their customers into a fury. There hasn't been a single pack since vampires that didn't have a MAJOR drawback or letdown, most of them only coming out after release. The sims team may not deserve harassment but they should not in any way be surprised by it.
The Gurus are the only face of the Sims 4 and further the only way for players to vent thier frustrations about EA. The true developmental decision makers don't interact with the public.
The gurus are all anyone has access to so they get the full brunt of the blows. Is it right? No. But it will be a continously problem unless the team puts a filter between themselves and thier social media's.
Real, a lot of criticism is valid but some certain people take things too far and threaten. The gurus might want to choose a safer platform than Twitter because there is a lot of hate and drama in general. Literally every day there’s some nonsense dramas
@@mars9986Thank you! I really feel like people are shooting the messengers here.
It is Never okay to harass anyone for any reason!
I will say that choosing not to have seasons could have been interesting had if it felt as though the eternal autumn idea had really been thought through. I have seen some beautiful photos of Romania in autumn and the lack of fall foliage and occasional snow dustings seems more like saving budgets and cutting corners.
There was that incident with people sending modders death threats awhile back, and then this. The Sims community has always had a toxic side for some reason, but it's gotten a lot worse. I don't even like talking about The Sims with others online anymore. I've seen WoW forums with less toxicity (Not the official ones, mind you)
Bruh, you can't say much on the Wow forums (official) without bans and stuff. On EU AD we called a paedophile, and I was banned for calling them Lilynonce (their name is Lilynore) for 14 days cause they and the paedo gang reported my comment. The official ones is not that toxic, you need to look for it to find it. Toxic is an overused word anyway.
How long have the Sim Gurus been in this community? I'm not saying harassment is ok, it's never ok, but at this point they should know controversial stuff is gonna be controversial. They need to learn how to either handle the response, or just don't say anything at all. Frankly EA should be hiring a real PR team to deal with this stuff, not leave it to these game developers who don't have the skin for public relations. PR is a tough gig for people with thick skin.
I don't think it's fair to say they don't have the skin for it. Most of them come across as strong people to me, but even strong people can be pushed to a breaking point.
There’s so excuse for harassment but I definitely see the frustration.
It was 100% an excuse, there has been more than one time he and other SimGuru’s have made excuses for cutting content. It’s a constant problem. The trees are mostly green year-round in Ravenwood and doesn’t look autumn but more so summer which is the base-game season. We are tired of the development team cutting corners and making excuses for it, sorry. Even though it might not be Maxis, it may be budget constraints from EA and they had no choice etc. We just don’t know, but we pay A LOT of money for these packs and we are tired of being used for our money, from EA or Maxis!!
Let’s be honest, it’s Twitter. He’s a 40 yr man his boss probably told him to just deactivate his account and resume a later time.
When a mod creator can create what they left out in the time between the release and now, it is absolutely not a budget problem. They're straight cutting corners doing the bare minimum to get the pack to sell as much at release until the bad news comes out, and it always does. Since vampires there's not been one solid pack. I thought this might be the one but no, major corners cut, now it makes sense why it seemed more fleshed out than other packs. They had to cut something. Who ever is deciding their deadlines and pack content limits needs to be fired yesterday.
Hmm I think being threatened at any age isn’t anything to do with their job. People still have feelings. But agreed there’s always drama and the snow thing was a mistake by the ea team, people pay a lot to play the sims so ofc they’re bound to complain (without threatening)
40 year old men have feelings and can get pushed to their breaking point too.
And what you said about how it may not be Maxis is exactly why I feel people shouldn't be going off on the Gurus at all. It's EA we need to be blaming/holding accountable instead of shooting the messengers, IMO.
If we have Seasons installed, we should have seasons in all worlds. Even though Sulani is a tropical world, in the fall and winter, it still gets cold at night. Depending on where you are in Mt. Komorebi, it will be hot in the summer. Not having seasons affect Ravenwood and claiming it's because the world is frozen in time feels a bit lazy to me. There are countless depictions of otherwordly places being covered in a blanket of snow in movies and literature. It's still no excuse to harass the gurus about it tho. That's unacceptable and shameful of the community to do. (Also the rapidly scrolling text hurts my eyes and I have to look away. I'm not photosensitive but I think that could trigger it in someone that is.)
It still Rains there and has weather it just doesn't snow
@sabueso344 yeah, and romania has snow, so it should have snow too.
@@sabueso344 but the pack is called seasons, not weather. it doesnt need to include snow, but the seasons dont change at all. it could be a chilly frosty winter with no ground snow if they really didnt think that environment was cold enough to have a snowy winter, but they just didnt do that or anything for any season. bet someone cut corners so the pack could be released by halloween.
This is the result of a giant corporation gaslighting, insulting and completely ignoring the ones that make them. The breaking point happened and it is life
More specifically, it is the fault of the higher-ups and shareholders. It is NOT SimGuruNinja's fault (for all we know, he actually wanted snow in the new world and fought for it but was outvoted/over ruled- which of course he's not going to be allowed to say). And even if it was, harassment is NEVER okay.
@SuperSimmerGal pretty sure I was just stating the facts so get off your high horse and don't lecture me about harassment...people are beyond frustrated and this is what happens
@@lunawolf2151 I was also stating the facts. I agree I did a pretty poor job of it though. All I was trying to say is that, while I understand being frustrated, people, IMO should not be taking it out on the Gurus since, as you pointed out, it's the corporate side that is to blame here.
I just feel like, by saying the breaking point happened and that's life, you were trying to excuse the harassment. But perhaps you weren't, and I apologize if I misinterpreted.
Death threats and abuse over anything are insane. Nobody deserves that.
Even though it started with snow, a lot of the criticism wasn't just about snow. The snow discourse just got pulled into the complaints about the autumn SimGuruNinja mentioned being non existant in the game itself
Because when we have a guru telling us that they made a creative choice to have the world in permanent autumn and then we actually see the world and over half of it is stuck in perpetual spring/summer, then people are going to have questions and criticism regarding what we've been told and how it doesnt match up with what we're seeing in game.
The world is clearly unfinished, to me. There's leaf fall underneath trees that dont show any stage of autumnal progression or transition.
And when we have a guru telling us that the spring/summer we're seeing is actually autumn, then of course simmers are going to feel they're being taken for fools and lied to
Like if you tell me you've got a pumpkin for me, offer me an orange and then try to tell me that orange is a pumpkin then I'm not going to be happy, am I?
Because at that point, it's either devs not knowing what the game they've created even looks like by the time it goes to release or an outright lie/excuse and neither one inspires confidence
The gurus have promised transparency going forward but where was the transparency in trying to convince us all the world we got in game is an autumn one instead of just being straight with us about any mistakes, restrictions etc that stopped them from following through on what they're claiming the world is supposed to be?
They can only be as transparent as EA allows them to, though. And I wonder what would have happened if someone had simply asked SimGuruNinja respectfully why not all of the world actually appears to be in autumn. Who knows, maybe he would have shed more light on the situation.
the sim gurus seem to forget that this is a SANDBOX game, if their reason for no weather in this particular world is by creative design whatever, but it just sounds like an excuse to put as minimal effort as possible, we as the player should be able to control the weather how we see fit, if we don’t want weather in that particular world, then we should be able to turn it on and off if we want, I just don’t believe not making certain things options for the player and then using the guise of “creative decision” to just be lazy, it’s so asinine to me, the sims 2’s weather feature literally made it so we can make it all one season, half a season or another half season or mix and match seasons, we’re in 2024, there’s no reason why the sims 4 doesn’t have options like that
omg exactly!! like when they made it to where lovestrucks world couldn’t have snow for some reason 😭
@@uviana239 i don't live in Mexico, but it actually snowing in Mexico City ( the city where ciudad enamorada is based on ) is a once-in-a-generation experience. hence the developers didnt include snow in the EP. so, what's the problem? It doesn't snow in Sulani, it doesn't snow in Oasis Springs, Del Sol Valley, etc. It only makes sense they didn't include snow in a new world with a hot climate
@@umgarotoaleatorio7044there’s still weather in those worlds, this world doesn’t have any which is the point, regardless WE should be given the options to turn those features on and off, so when the sims team makes up these half baked ass excuses not to included something, nobody should be surprised that ppl are getting mad seeing as they’ve been scamming us out of content for the past decade, and we shouldn’t have to rely on modders to include missing features, the sims team should just do their fvcking jobs
It's not the gurus who forget, IMO. It's the higher-ups at EA and the shareholders. They (higher-ups and shareholders) are also responsible for corners being cut. They want each pack made as quickly as possible, with as few people as possible (less salaries to have to pay), with as little money as possible. The devs aren't lazy, they are simply not given the time or resources to do things properly.
@@umgarotoaleatorio7044Completely agree. Different places in the real world have different climates, and I'm glad the worlds in Sims 4 do as well (and it's worth noting that the vacation worlds in Sims 3 also didn't have seasons, but yet nobody complains about not being able to have snow in, say, Egypt).
There are plenty of worlds to choose from of you want snow.
I understand that simmers are frustrated because it feels like the sims team is not listening to their player base. The Sims teams really needs to start listening to their players. However, harassment is never the answer! This is not the way that we encourage change. As much as the sims teams should listen to the players, they shouldn’t be harassed in the process.
I also think it could very well be that the actual dev team DOES listen, but the higher-ups refuse to let them add or remove certain things from the game.
Apparently the reason we got toilets in the base game (yes, you read that correctly) is because the devs fought tooth and nail for it. I wouldn't be surprised if they've fought for other things to be included in the game as well, but were unfortunately over-ruled.
Am I upset about the world of Ravenwood, yes, but harassment and bullying doesn’t get anything done. I wish people didn’t jump to that so quickly
How am I supposed to know if simmers were right or wrong if I didn't see any twitter comments in any video about it with said harassment?
Why would people be getting upset about it if it didn't happen?
Can I see the harassment? Even an example.
People giving criticism and being disappointed is not harassment.
SimGuruNinja has pulled this song and dance before. And I've seen people call saying "EA is lazy" bullying. Which is lol.
So I'll need to see something here. What are we defining as harassment?
Just came back to say, the modder I mentioned received death threats (and showed proof). And these people were attacking him in the name of SimGuruNinja
So now I saw more harassment and bullying done in his name, than done towards him. Anyone gonna highlight this? Anyone gonna acknowledge that the rumor mill and hysteria that was whipped up didn't help? People were too busy being angry and repeating what they heard from others, and here we are.
Dave deactivates literally every time his pack gets crit. That wasn't news. But people assumed that there must've been something horrible, and away they went.
And I asked several people for the recipts, I tried to be accepting of new info. No one saw anything, they just heard about it. Or , like what they've done in the modder's case, they've overblown things.
I'm even seeing people blame The Henford Hen now. And meanwhile he was SO nice and polite. All he did was display mild dissatisfaction.
This is why I wanted the receipts, this is why we needed to know if anything was actually happening first.
And btw, the fact that they had to aim for CBXSims almost proves that nothing happened. Because why was he enemy number one for making a cheeky EA lazy joke, when allegedly people were sending SimGuruNinja death threats and actual harassment?
From my perspective. It looks like the fandom wanted to blame someone - ANYONE for Dave deactivating. It had to be serious threats to his life, because what else could it be. Couldn't be that he simply couldn't take criticism. Nooo, that's not dramatic enough.
And yes, I'm actually very upset. Because the same fandom that treats not liking a pack well enough, as bullying The people who see "I don't like that decision, it feels like corners have been cut" as vicious harassment. Has thought it reasonable to tell a person to a person to off themselves.
The hypocrisy is off the charts.
I think there may be a fundamental misunderstanding of the definition of harassment and bullying. I think you may believe it has to have a... more violent tone for it to meet the legal and sociological definition. it doesnt. check it out
@@jusletursoulglobaby
May I see the harassment? If someone has collected screenshots on Twitter you can tell me their username.
May I get an example, even? Especially for the death threats people are talking about. (I've asked if they themselves have seen it. And in all cases so far people are telling me that it's just something they heard from someone)
People are calling The Henford Hen out (even a comment on this very video). When he was being gentle and polite about his disappointment. So, maybe I do need to see what you define as harassment, and how it justifies the witch hunt happening now.
@@jusletursoulglobabythe sims team have been receiving the same criticisms for years, be it harsh or otherwise, so what’s the difference now
@LifeOfTheAngels the "difference" has little to do with my comment. my comment is about terminology.
The way the sims community is so sensitive about any criticism I find it hard to believe he was actually harassed. He probably got annoyed with all the negative feedback. In the sims community you can’t complain about or criticize anything, I could be wrong but there’s definitely a pattern
I would say the same thing but people on the internet can be pretty ruthless and well… cruel. Especially on Twitter.
Popcorn and ninja have been the most supportive online. They used to come to my streams and also go to so many more.
I've seen comments like this popping up a lot, and it makes me sad to think that people are vilifying them. Reading between the lines, I honestly think a lot of the gurus are just as frustrated as the fans and would love to be more honest. But they don't have control over what goes into the game (aside from trying to bring fans' complaints to the higher-ups) and can only say what EA allows them to, so their hands are pretty well tied.
I havent heard a thing about any game breaking bugs with this ep release. This shoyld ve a win for the community! Especially after the disaster that came with lovestruck! But people are treating the lack of snow in one world as if its just as bad as all those bugs and harrassing sim gurus over it. This community truly does just love to complain! Can we not just enjoy when they do something right? Why do we gave to take such a small non-issue and blow it up into literal harassment????
At the same time, i did pay for the seasons pack, and romania (the country this pack is apparently based on) has snow. EA were just being lazy as always.
Nah. Not allowed. No game breaking bugs, everyone loves the pack, it's creative... time to be mad over snow.
I hate this community.
For people who don't use mods so they usually don't even have bugs, not making the packs cross pack compatiblr is not acceptable. Its not a 'oh we didn't give snow so people with mods won't have bugs' or something. Its not a win, not introducing bugs should be the basic stabdards. Then they also didn't give seasons to an entire world. It is as bad or worse than a few bugs that mostly only happen to people who use unofficial mods.
@@andyv2209 the lovestruck EP and update caused many game breaking bugs and one of the big topics of discussion was that it was happening to players who did Infact not have mods installed. The life and death pack is a big win for simmers as it is the first expansion pack in a long time that actually feels like an expansion pack and didn't cause several bugs that break the game for a large group of players. For once maxis did something that was actually good and yes it would have been nice for us to be able to have snow, but this isn't the first world that doesn't have all season. While it is okay to voice an opinion and say that you want snow in this world, it to a not okay to harrass the gurus about it. The fact that this is being treated as an issue that is on the same level as game breaking bugs is rediculous. Harassing gurus or anyone is never okay.
The pack is good, it has its flaws but overall it is good. Voice your opinion, give feed back, but dont harrass people over the fact that this one world doesn't have one feature you wish it did.
@Moss_piglet13 I get that its good that it didn't introduce new bugs but that should be a standard for every released pack. They didn't introduce new bugs but it shouldn't be a trade off of bugs or a full pack. They didn't do something good, they did something they should always do but in order to do it they again cut content that should have been included. You can't call that a win. You can say 'finally we at least got a half assed pack that doesn't break the game but it still sucks that its half complete.' Doing something that's expected of you doesn't make up for not doing something else that's expected of you. It's like the creators are going through each pack and picking out at least one major feature each to cut out or save for a later pack. Cutting out things that simmers wont notice in trailers, they won't notice until a few hours of play time. Its not right and excusing them just because they did something they should be doing anyway is telling them that we are ok with chopped out features and lackluster shells of packs and content. And yes it it's the first non-vacation world that does not have proper designated seasons that match the location theyre based on. And i didn't say they should be harassed. Just they they should absolutely expect harassment when they make decisions like this, sneaky decisions to cut things that people won't realize until theyve made the biggest chunk of their sales. They dangle something we want in front of our eyes to distract us just long enough to get their money, then we find the skeletons in the closets after actually playing the packs. There's always a large drawback. This time, it wasnt bugs, it was something else, but it was still something. There's always something. And that's why people are getting so incensed. They know what they're doing and they keep doing it because they get away with it because people defend them like you are, for giving us an almost complete pack when usually they give us an almost complete and half broken pack. Give us a complete and non-broken pack for once. They haven't since 2017. Its not going to get better, the fans are not going to get happier until they release something without cut corners. Also why did you like your own comment?
All of this over some SNOW! As if SEASONS is only about some friggin snow! It’s more than that and there are other worlds you can experience snow! Jesus. Don’t like it, don’t buy it. It’s simple.
its not about the snow itself, they could have very well made a world that makes sense to not have ground snow during winter without weather manipulation, but no, they didnt add any seasons at all, to an entire world. the problem with 'dont like it dont buy it' is that, there are things in the pack that are likable enough to buy it, and there are things that a customer should be able to expect when they have paid for the seasons expansion pack, and that is for it to apply seasons to all new worlds. disliking one feature of a game and sharing your critique isnt a big enough reason to not buy a product that will add to your game experience. when a company is taking advantage of your money and sneakily removing expected features to maximize profit, that is worthy of criticism. you dont have to be in love with every aspect of something to want to buy it. you dont have to hate the sims team to criticize their decisions.
Exactly! The eternal autumn is perfect for this world, IMO.
Simmers are toxic. We have Several zones that don't have seasonal changes. Good Lord. It seems to be a Great EP so far.
And why do you think there are so many worlds with no seasonal changes? Cause they're too lazy to code that in.
So we should all just accept buggy, dodgy EP’s with limited game play and cash grabbing packs no one wants? I don’t appreciate being called toxic for not having a hive mind mentality.
@meh9677 no. There are Countries in REAL life that don't really have Seasonal changes. What are you going to do..yell at God? Complain? Get real people.
@pumpkinpiex think YOU should just play a different game. Go play Roadblox or something.
@warzshadow9701 guess what, romania has all four seasons...
What's the point of these gurus, apart from how ✨️nicely✨️ they communicate with ✨️bloggers from the gamechanger program✨️? Is that work? Is this really what the sims community is missing? 🤣
they are the literal developers of the game.
@rochellereeid6408 I'm not talking about their main position in the company, I'm talking about their work as a guru
Good lord. All this over snow...
and yet there is no fuss about no snow in other worlds it's not appropriate for. Very odd to me
Is the lack of snow that really big of a deal?
Right!? The fact that I'm hearing so much about a lack of snow instead of an endless list of bugs with this update should be a win! But the comunity is acting as if not having snow in one world is just as bad as the game breaking bugs that came with lovestruck. No matter what harassment is never okay but especially when it's about something so small!
@@Moss_piglet13 THIS!!!
Yeah it is, I paid $40 for Seasons.
Yes because the packs aren't cheap be fr
im not one to say im mad, cus i never bought it, but imagine having seasons pack and not being able to have seasons in the world you also paid 40 dollars for??
This is just lazy and an excuse. They will fix wedding pack in ten years, or pretty much never.
Ppl shouldn’t bother harassing just speak with your money stop buying crap that isn’t good enough 🤦🏻♀️ I was gonna buy this it would be my first purchase since seasons bc it’s too buggy to play but with all the seasons stuff and the fact that nervous isn’t actually the Grimm reapers son has made me decide not too it’s too bad I was excited for a sims 4 pack but it ended up still being a let down however I will not I repeat I will not harass anyone on the EA team over it and anyone who does needs to grow up and just stop buying sims 4 content its that simple!
While I get what you're saying, some people may buy it because they really like and want other aspects of it (like rebirthing, funerals or the Grim Reaper career).
People will spend $40 bucks on a bug filled mess, spend another $40 on a second bugged filled ness then complain the second bug filled mess isnt affected by the fors bug filled mess
Not all of us pay for our packs.
This why I only lurk, if I ever use twitter. The community can be so disgusting.
I'm sick of people sucking up to the gurus and acting like we're supposed to coddle them when they've consistently displayed a lack of care for the community and the game. If this was a lesser known franchise making this many mistakes, no one would give them as much grace. People can only offer so much constructive criticism before they realize the gurus aren't listening at all.
No matter the context, harrassing is NEVER ok.
@@aurorebergen2779 This isn't harassment. We're just using that word loosely now because we feel bad since Ninja got his feelings hurt over the many poor decisions the devs have allowed to happen because they want money.
People have also said he received death threats so I don’t blame them for deactivating. Even if gurus aren’t listening that doesn’t mean harassment is the key. I think Dave can tell the difference between criticism and harassment as a professional so if he deactivated, it’s highly likely from ppl being incredibly rude not fear of criticism.
@@eviesunshine9256 The criticism can be rude. It doesn't have to be constructive because they don't listen to constructive criticism. How many more broken releases and new game breaking bugs does it take? How many packs no one asked for? How much basic content locked behind paywalls?
@@eviesunshine9256show the proof then
The fact that people don’t understand how to do constructive criticism and resort to harassment is beyond madness, I hate to say it but I feel ashamed to even be a fan of the sims.
I wish that was the biggest issue in my REAL LIFE
Everyday there’s some sims drama, clearly people need to get off the internet more
That's partly why i give up on this game. Them overreacting to weird things. I know i'm a sour person when it comes to this game but i'm annoyed of removed, missing and newly installed features, but in this case it's a creative choice not an argument of incomitance. Of all the things they could have legit been angry at as a community, they're throwing death threats at devs over them choosing to have a fall only town o.0?
The misplace weird explosive drama they're always bringing up as a community is annoying.
I choose to rag on the game because i don't like it nor am i playing or paying for it, id love to love it but i don't because i loved the past games and wish this game could put in the same amount of creativity and quality and a lot of stuff in sims 4's content genuinely bug me. I can't wrap my head around other people supposedly liking the game but have so much negative things to say about it all the time, they pay literal hundreds to over a thousand $$$ on it while consistently having something negative to say about it..... If they dislike it so much then why do they keep buying into it? This isn't even a bugs and glitches problem, it's a creative decision and even that they have a problem with, that's not them saying they love the game but think it has problems that need fixing like glitches for example, that's them saying they're going to complain about the game REGARDLESS of what's happening in it, so why the hell are they still buying it?!
I just want a different franchise now. I'm tired of the sims and it's community.
tbh I like that Ravenwood doesn't have snow. it's based on Romania and in the part of Romania where I live, it hasn't snowed properly in years. in some years, it doesn't snow at all. so for me, this is more realistic.
I actually like the idea of an autumn world. We have summer themed worlds and a winter themed world. Makes sense. As a developer in another industry, the entitlement of simmers infuriates me. It’s a literal game. Don’t play if it makes you that upset.
I feel like its okay to have certain worlds limited to a season or weather. People want the Sims 4 to be realistic/immersive but also want to be able to do everything they want and control everything? I'm not saying its the reasoning to why it happened or they should make a pattern of it, but I do think its dumb to harass someone over it. A lot of these toxic people are grown adults who think they're the only people that the gurus should listen to.
the sims 4 is a SANDBOX GAME, that the point, if we cant change something as integral to the game like weather what does that say about the gurus lack of ambition that they can’t give us the options to customize different seasons and weather
Honestly the snow issue is pretty split between everyone in the community. The poll was also reflective of that. A lot were unhappy with the creative decision of the snow but many like myself thought that a world stuck in time would also have a lack of summer or winter weather. I don't think the majority of us were unhappy about the lack of snow but a split amount of those in the community were. Was it lazy? I'm of the opinion that it wasn't but I can see the argument for the latter half though.
This is EA we re talking about, ofc they didn't want to code snow. Also, i think a world based on a country where it snows should have snow.
@@meh9677 Sims 4 Dev team is different from EA as an entity itself. I mind you, EA is a huge conglomerate that manages an array of dev teams. EA itself is the huge division managing games like PVZ, Sports titles, The sims franchise and many more. They are also responsible for the budgets given to their dev teams and that includes budgets for the sims franchise as a whole.
Of course we're talking about EA but by saying the sims devs "were too lazy to code" is probably an unnuanced take as well. Who knows what happened but It definitely wasn't lazy coding on their part. This EP as a whole had a ton added to it compared to previous packs. I wouldn't call that lazy. I would put blame on the art direction since they wanted the world to fit the lore of the sims who reside in it. I wouldn't call that lazy at all.
@Celbrant_Artist where in my comment did i ever say the devs were lazy? i dont blame them, i blame EA.
@@meh9677 You actually did but okay. "ofc they didn't want to code snow" The sims team is in charge of coding, not EA. EA manages the budget and timeline of game production, they don't code at all.
@Celbrant_Artist sorry, i meant that ofc EA didn't want the devs to code in snow.
No snow!?! I hope no one tells them about Sulani...
Sulani is literally tropical, Ravenwood is not
Are you being fr? Sulani is a tropical world. It makes no sense for it to have snow. This pack, however, is inspired by romania and romania has snow.
@@meh9677Sims 4 will alwayssssss let their consumers down
@@Nominaze yeah, which makes me extremely sad when i think of how good sims 2 and 3 were. hell, even sims 1 was funnier, more entertaining, and more chaotic (in a good way) than sims 4 will ever be.
@@meh9677 Fr, I had recently downloaded sims 4 again and immediately went back to sims 3.
The henfordhen was the one who started the discourse around no snow and was even commenting under simguruninjas post being salty about no snow in ravenwood,but people are calling out CBX sims for some slight shade....but the same people will stay silence when it comes to the henfordhen because he's peoples "fave" will go on to shame CBX.people need to leave the gurus alone and play the new damn pack and be happy.
Yeah agreed people shouldn't harass them either but they also need a reminder that their behavior wasn't acceptable either
Why are you even name dropping who started it if they didn't tell anyone to behave the way they chose to behave? I get that you're doing it because they're pointing at someone else for starting it, but you doing that with a name attached is like telling them to go at that other person.
@@citrusbutter7718 I'm just pointing out hypocrisy,and seeing how people like to pick,and choose when there moral compass is working.
Where all about holding people accountable right????or just in certain circumstances?
First thank you for making this video. I was seeing some tweets and stuff on facebook but didn’t know what was happening. All I knew was he deactivated his account but didn’t know why except for the harassment and I thought my God why are they treating a person this way! It made me sad ! There is no excuse for people to act this way! I feel the same way you do. 😢
I fear for the other life sim games coming out. They do not need to deal with nastiness. People are way to disrespectful.
They will. People have huge expectations for Paralives - expectations it can't possibly meet. Once the hype dies down and these same people find out the game isn't perfect, they will go after them just as viciously.
@@warzshadow9701 the other games seem to actually be listening to their audiences so i don't think they'll get nearly the amount of hate as the sims team.
Sims fans have send their concerns and feedback and it has been ignore time and time to a point the sims fandom has reached its breaking point and if you reach that point its basically anarchy, no more empathy left and if it doesnt go the nice way then the hard way it is. Its sad, i dont think its entirely the sims guru faults but they also have been extremely arrogant and sadly people have reached their limit
You know these devs are just working as PR for the company they are only active when promoting the product and go silent as soon as they get criticism
The harassment is unnecessary but its the internet and he did the right thing by logging off 🤷🏿♀️. Simgurus need to move on to other projects, the sims 4 over stayed its welcome at this point. Hopefully next year people move on to other life simulators and the sims 4 can finally end. EA lucky to have the sims community even though it can be toxic but that doesn't matter because they are paying consumers and modders fix or patch the game.
The "sims community" is very entitled, mean, rude, and disrespectful. Most simmer are not apart of the "sims community".. they disrespect the modders, the sims gurus, normal sims players and sims content creators
Honestly it’s like just play the game or don’t. It’s never that deep ova snow . At this point I think people be trying to speak for there sims characters like they people
No one deserves death threats, no one deserves the insane amount of harassment modders and Gurus have been getting lately. That being said,
The real problem is the frustration is directed at the wrong people.
The problem is some person and/or group of Executives at EA have decided that efficiency and profit must come above quality at all costs. The proof of this statement has been shown for the last 10 years in their releases.
This disregard of the player base by the parent company's Executive team, in favor of profits year over year, that has forced Maxis Sims Studio to release broken, glaringly not Quality checked, capitalistically separated (Supernatural, Generations) watered down and incomplete packs has cause anger and frustration to boil for years.
This has now reached to the point where any one who has anything to do with the game's development, including the modding community (turbodriver), are receiving the unwarranted and outlandish backlash of the player base.
I say again, no one deserves harassment or death threats, but Electronic Arts refusal to take accountability or ownership of the problem they have created over the last decade is boiling over.
ppl have no manners anymore -.-
when i heard about dave(ninja), it was like a punch to the gut. it felt like i lost another best friend. there was no need for threats and harassments. if this continue, we may no longer get more dlc's.
We kinda need to shelve sims 4 or at least get the gurus offline I feel like it’s for the community’s sake. Sims 3 and sims 2 communities don’t feel nearly as vicious bc those games are finished.
40+ y.o. man and he did that..
I wish i could customize seasons like in sims 2..... I love having all four seasons for some worlds, some seasons for others, and 1 for some. To me it gets boring only having things 1 way, i even like the inconveniences because it keeps the game not being boring for me. But i much prefer custom making my own worlds and the seasons that goes along with them.
Lol, I kinda feel that this is EA's chickens coming home to roost. EA made a lackluster game and rewarded toxic positivity in the Sims community. This level of harassment is not surprising. If EA wasn't a grimy, greedy company, they could have seen this coming from a mile away. I feel bad for the guru, but I hope EA learns from this.
And see I understand this ideal you have but honestly you're actually making an excuse for treating someone like this
@sabueso344 I don't believe I ever gave an excuse for that behavior... but context does matter. I am looking at this with a mezzo/macro lens. EA/sims have big issues, and the harassment of others is one of those issues that have been happening because of gaslighting and the toxic positivity that EA/sims have been condoning for years, and before the guru got harassed on Twitter. What I am hoping is that EA might do something now that it has affected one of their employees. We are allowed to feel our feelings and should be able to express our thoughts and opinions about the sims4 without people attacking us. I hope this clears up how I feel.
@giantwoman4958 "this level of harassment is not surprising" "EA made a lackluster game" these are the exact excuses these people use when harassing these devs so stop giving them.
I just think it’s funny how of all the things the gurus get criticized for, snow is what made them get ran off the platform, not selling us half baked, barely functional packs but bc snow wasn’t included in a particular world, I’ll never co sign harassment but they shouldn’t be surprised it’s come to this after years of mistreating the fanbase and treating us like we’re stupid
@sabueso344 I'm not giving excuses when, in fact, those things are real. Yes, the game has issues, along with harassment in the community. I don't condone that behavior. I didn't in my original comment or my second reply. Harassment of gurus and others is something EA should do something about. I am not saying they are 100% to blame, but that they are part of the problem. EA, at the very least, should let the sims4 community know they are against harassment of any kind to anybody.
I feel that you are purposely misconstruing what I said and my response. I'm guessing you won't like this response either, but I do hope you have a wonderful weekend and week ahead.
The vocal part of the Sims community is a bunch of entitled children who are never, ever happy and scream, cry, and stamp their little feet at every little petty thing they think they must have or got screwed out of. Wahh cars. Wahh snow. Wahh updates break my mods. Wahh my game won't play because I've corrupted it with mods. Wahh more realistic pregnancy. Wahh EA is bad. Wahhh no more supernaturals, we all hate them. Wahh open world. Wahhhhhhh everyone wants this EA never listens wahhhhhhh! While the rest of us are over here, trying to report bugs, give constructive critique, and enjoy our games. I actually gave up trying to suggest to EA what I wanted nicely because nice doesn't get listened to - they actually DO listen to the nasty loud harassing people who are never happy, don't care if anyone else is happy, and constantly say how they can't wait to play Paralives. Case in point - we have infants but not faeries, don't we? Guess which one was screamed about rudely despite both being equally wanted.
Been here since 2000, you all just keep getting worse. SecuROM broke my CD drive during Sims 2. Straight up forced me to buy a new one and get a no CD mod to play. I didn't harass a single EA employee to the point where they left the internet. I wasn't happy but I handled it like an adult. I even talked to EA directly via phone (so did others with the same issue) when they called about it to try to figure out the issue (the issue was SecuROM treated all CD burners as piracy and destroyed their ability to burn discs - I used mine to back up family photos...). And now here we are, hacking modders who don't update due to being on vacation and sending death threats because there's no snow in the Life and Death world. Ya'll need to turn off your games and go outside ISTG.
I think Sim Guru Ninja could have blocked those who harassed him rather than deactivating his entire account. There’s a lot of us Simmers who whilst we don’t agree, do behave! 😊 If I get a rude customer at work I don’t pull the shutter down and serve no one else. I don’t agree with the harassment. Just block those who are rude.
It was peobably not a decision of ’should we have snow?’ Yes/No and probably more a case of ’should we have snow or X?’
I never saw any death threats on Twitter (refuse to call it X) when it happened and I thought sim gurus have their DMs turned off. Did they possibly get deleted?
LOL, simmers swallow packs filled with bugs and missing features, and then go crazy about snow in a place where snow should not be. That aside, I don't believe Gurus are necessary at all, they should be fixing the game and making content instead of social media posts lol
Exactly!! I feel it’s weird that we have sim guru’s and other simmers in the EA program thing (I forgot what it’s called lol). It just feels so weird to me. I think that the only time those should exist is if they’re actively making stuff for the game like Xurelia and Ebonix. It’s fine to promote the game…but if they’re not working on game stuff I don’t think there needs to be the ea creator program and sim guru’s. Like another comment said, the sims need a PR team that handles controversy and this. Then the main thing I think everyone can agree on: the sims need to focus on fixing the game not not coming out with packs. Fix the core and existing stuff first. Don’t bird feed players the fixes that should’ve been fixed already, one big update should be fine.
Honestly, I’m not surprised that they deactivate. Some may have been valid criticisms, but too many players take it to an extreme. I really don’t think the gurus are making gameplay decisions like that. I can almost guarantee that EA wanted to cut corners to make sure that it would be released in October.
Harassing one person as if it had been his decision is crazy. Some people are just incredible
This is his job. I can’t imagine how miserable he must be having to go to work everyday with those things hanging over his shoulders.
I agree with you about seasons, but like you said - there is no reason to harass someone over it.
1. Crazy how the modders have to save this game every single time for a greedy lazy company.
2. It’s been 10 years and simgurus are still sensitive? Make it make sense
I honestly thought it was perfect to have an always autumn pack. Just as well as fulani basically being just summer.
I feel like it makes sense to have four different locations with set seasons. I get some people want to change that, that's what mods are for.
People would rather complain about the SMALLEST things rather than compliment the rest
But it's not even set in autumn? It's also based on Romania which has four seasons.
If a world is based on a country where it snows, i expect it to have snow. I didn't pay for the seasons pack for nothing.
@aspannas it's supposed to be set around a halloween type feel. Which is autumn time typically.
"Based on" doesn't mean supposed to be exactly like it. It's a fictional game. I've read books and seen plenty of movies and TV shows that are "based on" places and aren't exactly 100% the same because it doesn't fit the story. They had a story and they wanted to fit the world around it. The spooky vibes and Romanian base is where they started.
@meh9677 you can vacation in other places or install the mod that has been made if you are that very concerned with it. I also have seasons, I have a bunch of packs. Not all but a lot, when I'm buying a new pack I'm not solely focused on how well it's going to mash with every other pack. I'm buying it for the extra content. The fact they chose to integrate things with each other is great in general, but they had a story they wanted to tell 🤷♀️ creatively makes sense to me. I can choose to add mods or go to a different world with seasons. I would NEVER tell someone their trash for making an artistic choice.
@taylorthompson7525 i understand that you don't care, but i do and i think they should always give us the option to choose (unless it's a world where it makes sense to only have one season such as sulani)
Sometimes the snow gets on my nerves I wish I could have the other seasons without it like California.
Someone made a mod already😍😍 ?? I love modders fr, now I need it for all worlds (even Sulani)
I can't say I'm not angry about the mediocrity or non-existence of seasons in expansion and game pack worlds. that is not and never should be a critique of someone in community management, even if they are developers and involved in decision-making. it's why many companies have separate or even external people for community management. the privilege of talking to developers is not a given, it's a very admirable and very risky exception. and while yes, sim gurus are people, they are also direct representatives of the development team and company in a public forum and as such they have the unfortunate obligation to take blame. so, the blame itself is imo reasonable, if unfortunate. form and communication of that blame most likely won't be. that is a universal truth of social media. of course harassment is not helping anyone, but that's why I don't post on twitter. while the sims community is mostly kind and compassionate, twitter is still shaped by and in part designed for trolls and losers. sorry to be so blunt.
TS4 Get Dead to me still looks like one of the best expansion packs we've had in a while, maybe ever if we're just talking sims 4 (just personal taste and opinion, chill out).
tl,dr: twitter sucks. get used to that and burn it to the ground. but no matter how pointless or unjustified, community management has to take most of the blame. that's just how it works. people are stupid and entitled and rude and over-the-line and they should be called out for it, but not to expect it is a mistake.
again, I'm not saying harassment or insults are justified or useful, but they are a reliable feature of public platforms.
Personally i see what the gurus are going for. Autom is the time for many pagan traditions of between life and death, that's why a lot of Eruopean old world customs traditionally happen in the fall. They want a twilight kind of time for that town between summer and winter aka life "summer" and death "winter". I'm not bothered by that at all for such a town, but they could compromise by adding another eastern European town down the line that do have snow because winter in those places is beautiful and it's a shame they don't have a town in their game based on such places that has winter.
What a ridiculous topic….. I can’t imagine actual adults were harassing some other adult creators about there not being snow in a particular world in a video game that’s whole thing is to represent different parts of the world … I don’t even know how this is an argument or up for debate in any way shape or form… Do people realize that it does NOT snow all over the world, hell it doesn’t even snow in all states in America…. This is just such a ridiculous topic. These can’t be actual adults….
I agree and disagree. Yes, there are places in the world that don't snow, even in some cold climate places in Europe like England for example, it rarely gets snow there, but this world is based on Romania..... Romania has some of the world's most deep and pretty snowy winters. So i disagree with you using some places in the world not having snow in the regard to an excuse because the place it's supposed to be based on is a snowy place.
I agree with you though on the point i'm making that it doesn't need to have snow for 2 reasons.... 1 being, it simply doesn't need snow, it's not a big deal o.0.... And 2 because the world itself is somewhat based on real occultism, and in pagan European traditions, they tend to revere the Autom season as the state between life and death, summer being the life bringing season, and winter being the fall of life, the big sleep, the end of life for that time and then spring is the new life and summer being the peak of life.... Seeing as how this pack is based on life and death, i get why they chose to make it all about fall, the location is supposed to be smack dab in the center of life and death.
A good fix for everyone's problem is for them to someday make another pack based in eastern Europe and have it have all 4 seasons, that way everyone gets what they want. The death pack gets to be Autom only and supernatural, and the other pack can just be regular life based in Eastern Europe.
Simmers nowadays have becoming more toxic since day 1, i mean, i am disappointed about not having snow or seasons in Ravenwood and i understand the complaints, but harrasing a guru over that is a new low, as much as i love Life and Death, i will not tolerate harassment over this, im so disappointed about the community sometimes
we shouldnt need to use mods to add crosplay with previous packs.
Harassing can get people ARRESTED.
Harassment is just not OK. EA and the Gurus would be totally justified to totally block those who are harassing them. In many places, harassment is even a felony.
My issue with EA is their whole hearted laziness in so many aspects of the game...and influencers getting the game and instead of being honest about what does and doesn't work chooses instead to kiss EA's behind rather than make a complaint. You can't tell me that with as many influencers that got to play and build for the game that they did NOT notice that you couldn't use Seasons. Kate Emerald repeatedly in her videos said her builds were not going to be the final result but when opening the game...everything was exactly how it was in hers. So what happened to that FINAL overhaul? Did Kate lie...or did EA lie to Kate - I believe Kate. EA needs to quit expecting the community to ALWAYS fix their game with mods and actually do the work themselves - it's seriously like they shrug and go "oh well...a modder will fix it...next issue - a modder will fix it - and on and on.
EA is lazy. Their other franchises have similar issues. However, when people buy products that are sold with bugs and other issues, it encourages that lazy company that they’re doing the right thing. The only true way to show EA to change how they do business is to hurt their pockets by not buying the packs. That’s why I think they’re prolonging TS4. Simmers are still eating these packs and DLCs up. That will not discourage EA.
-Yes influencers who lie also fan the flames. It’s really sad. I’ve been playing Sims since 2004. It is disheartening to see the direction EA has taken. A big, greedy corporation only knows sales or no profits. EA hasn’t seen a significant drop in sales so they won’t get any better until they do. If simmers strike, which they won’t, EA would straighten up but until then business as usual. As a simmer I still buy packs but never at full price. I’m still part of the problem unfortunately. I love this franchise but I very much dislike EA’s business practices. It has very little to do with devs on the sims. It’s the geniuses who call the shots on the business side I reckon who have wrecked this beautiful game.
@@eviesunshine9256 I am with you on every last letter of what you wrote. I've been playing for 25 years now and if it wouldn't have been for a friend gifting the pack to me I wouldn't have it. I stopped buying content after Wedding Disaster. The only way to make things change is to hit where it hurts...money.
I think the harassing people need to realize, we all have intrusive thoughts just most of it needs to stay in the head and for the sims team they need to just turn of comments whenever talking to people and just have a sight for people to go to if they ever have anything to say to them
Can they just put more energy into not buying the pack? play stupid games earn stupid prizes and then complain is so unserious 😂
Why would you want snow in a spooky pack that tends to be more suited for spooky season? Their decision of making it permanently autumn is perfect.
Because the world is based on Romania and Romania has snow. I know so many Romanian players were so excited to see their country represented and now it’s not right. Also, if I paid $40 for seasons I’d expect it to work in all worlds.
Simmers were wrong in that ideal.
One day yall will realize that EA is not the problem 😹
I mean they signed up for this. People have been with the sims since the og and are sick of stuff not having what it should especially after something as massive as sims 3. I get its harassment but they should know by now that they'll get harassed after how broken the sims 4 is
Obviously I don't condone it but after watching the sims fall i can understand how frustrated they are especially with how expensive this dumb game is
That’s… kind of victim blaming I mean yeah I get it but like… the internet and especially twitter is ruthless with the harrassment and “they should expect to be harrassed” when they are probably underpaid devs forced to crunch time under CEOs.
@@madisontucker649 that's why in my 2nd reply i say i don't condone it. That's just how the internet has always been and if anything has gotten worse, i'm only stating the truth. I wish it wasn't like this, trust me but sadly it is
Why harass someone over something that you know a mod can be made smh
Harassment is never okay but it's completely fair to criticize there not being seasons in a world based on Romania, especially after them claiming it was a creative decision which is obviously a lie. We shouldn't have to rely on modders to give us something that should have already been included.
Yall need to touch grass and log off the sims are frying brains atp
Couldnt you just change it and make it snow with ui cheats?
Many people play on consoles too.. Smartass
Yeah tbh we all adults playing a kid game so I think reflection needs to occur on a wide scale. What I will say is 1. Why can't we fish in Sulani and 2. why aren't all packs reflected in the club system? considering they've have dmnr 10 yrs to show off cross pack compatibility, I just think their constant abandonment of systems in the game is starting to bother me. If we all focused on asking for better gameplay, can you imagine just how much further this experience can go?
LOL that first sentence is too true
There are a few exp with no snow etc. if you want that buy seasons. Tons of ppl did not so why spend time adding it to everything? Also somebody made a mod for snow fall etc which works if you have seasons and a such exp without it. Use that instead ppl complaining give them a solution bc modder s worked hard on it to satisfy complaints.
Simmers have reached peak bratty behaviour, they want absolutely everything, but they don’t want to pay for any of it. It’s like they honestly believe that paying $30 in 2014 should give you a lifetime pass to the entire game. They don’t remember that what you paid for maybe, just barely covers one programmer for one hour. Just their salary. You haven’t even began adding up all the equipment they need, office space, power, water, additional staffing and so on. We are talking about a massive operation that costs tons of money. Imagine just what they spend on updates alone that they aren’t getting paid for. They allow the game to be modded to your every whim. EA gave released about 7 additional packs per year, which are completely optional to purchase. They update it every month. If you think “if they just did it correctly the first time, they wouldn’t have to” I dare you to go in to tech, it doesn’t work like that. It’s impossible to perfectly predict every bug that can happen. Then you have to go through the code, find the fault, create a work around. It’s time consuming, it’s expensive. Do I wish EA gad the balls to go, “yeah, this pack is gonna have to wait, it’s not ready in time” at times? Yes. But do I understand some times you need an income and a bad product gets released? Yes. It’s hard, it’s expensive and simmers keeps complaining at absolutely everything when most of us should be grown ups who have jobs and understand how money works. I love being able to play Sims, but honestly, the day they take it away from everyone and go, “yeah, we are done with this, with you” I will enjoy it. Use bug reports, have open discussion of things that doesn’t work, how you might fix it. But giving real life people hate because your video game isn’t working seems like a psychopath move..
We all have opinions... and you're not EA, none of us are..
This video is primarily about crossing the line from an opinion to being abusive.
Who's here been a project manager on a kit/ expansion pack. Probably none of us.
When you apply business economics to anything. You maximize profit by cutting costs as much as possible. While charging as much as possible. And I don't understand because you purchase EA products and you're advocating for them to be cheap.
Unless we have some type of leak saying ea spent 500k on the life death expansion pack. We shouldn't be advocating for their expenses.
What should the budget be for developing an expansion pack?
1 million/ half a million
I paid €70 in 2014 and €40 for weather. Since the Sims 4 is a product, I expect it to work as promised. Like every adult would. As someone who has been playing many games since the 80s, I have never seen a broken a game as the Sims 4. The whole community puts toxic positivity over quality. While every other gaming fandom voices their concerns and is awarded with a better product, simmers seem to just accept low quality.
EA uses SimGurus to humanize itself. This way they can give us slop and people will still excuse it because they don’t want to hurt the developers feelings.
Imagine EA were a car manufacturer that produces broken cars. The mechanics (devs) aren’t necessarily at fault, but they represent the company. Would you buy a broken car just because the poor mechanics have feelings? (Naturally you shouldn’t harass him or anyone.)
It’s truly mind-boggling to see this culture of trying to censor critical voices in the name of harmony. Everyone should know that confrontation and criticism is important to improve things. To improve oneself. Every adult should be aware that an opinion is not an attack.
These times are so weird. People running around and policing everything, obsessing over race and sexuality and openly spreading hate towards others. I grew up in a generation that fought for unity and forgiveness. Nowadays everyone focuses on differences and revenge. 😔
They dont want pay any of it ? Seriously? With a game that cost so much money in total ? And for what ? For shallow packs most of the time ? Many people bought shallow packs, you cant say they dont want to pay any of it like that
they are lazy and take the easy way out.
The host hates reality based beings and now we hate simmers.
First they bully csa victims and lolicon for using a game to manage trauma and express an attraction to something healthy.
Now they harass someone for an artistic creative choice, humanity is why we can't have nice things.
There's no justification for taking issue with a world not having a season, period.
Stop putting real world cultures in games if you can't separate reality from fiction.
Inspired by a location=/= based on
And also based on =/= is that location.
Japan isn't in the Sims a in universe location SIMILAR to Japan is.
And fyi to the "modder" you no longer have a right to complain about copyright infringement, you don't respect other people's art so no one has to respect yours.
You didn't "fix" something you spat on someones painting because it didn't have the color you wanted.
I do believe a better way to show what they wanted to would have been to make half the world dead and half of it teeming with life, and create a new plant that is half dead and half alive the meets in the middle of the world.
Snow is a reminder of death, so perpetual spring on one end and winter on the other with an otherworldly nature in the middle would have suited better.
But that being said its not my art, i wasn't the one attempting to express a creative vision only to have my work spat on by the same individuals who whine about AI.
Why shouldn't EA replace its developers with machines when this is how you react to someone's art?
And why shouldn't those who create set pieces and other things for the game support just feeding them into a generation machine so that you can't spit all over art you didn't make.
Because your self entitled cry babies.
I mean after all if you're not going to respect the story that they're trying to tell and the artwork that goes into it you're not entitled to those things having actual love and labor put behind them.
And you're not entitled to disrespect someone who would put those things behind it, by forcing them to expose their genuine labor and love and work to your savagery.
We fully support lazy artists using AI, right now because you aren't entitled to the hard work and loved items because all you will do is poop all over them.
You don't respect them you don't respect creativity and you don't respect artists so why should artists give you their work instead of, a hollow shell?
-GT1
No one should be harassed, case and point, as far as packs and such, like you said seasons, if it's meant to be a cross pack expansion, then do so, and that goes for any future packs as, it's well. It's not worth pissing off the entire sims community.
We all know EA is releasing packs that are mostly broken because they are greedy, and lazy because they omit many things just to release them in another pack, we all know it yet, we keep buying the packs so, criticize them all you want for that but, harrassment is not right. In the end, we still buy all the packs because we want to, nobody is forcing us to do it and, if someone isn't happy about not having snow in the pack, just don't buy it and problem solved.
I actually like the idea of an autumn world. We have summer themed worlds and a winter themed world. Makes sense. As a developer in another industry, the entitlement of simmers infuriates me. It’s a literal game. Don’t play if it makes you that upset.
This is his job. I can’t imagine how miserable he must be having to go to work everyday with those things hanging over his shoulders.
I agree with you about seasons, but like you said - there is no reason to harass someone over it.
All of this over some SNOW! As if SEASONS is only about some friggin snow! It’s more than that and there are other worlds you can experience snow! Jesus. Don’t like it, don’t buy it. It’s simple.