I’ve always been a fan of TT Scale, since it isn’t as “big” as OO and as small as N gauge. So, especially for people with smaller homes, I consider it the “perfect Scale”! Splendid review, Sam, keep going like this!
In the UK, where they have OO, it makes TT:120 look a little too close to N gauge. It looks like in TT:120, you'll be pretty well stuck with what Hornby offer, where as with N you do have a choice of manufacturers.
I did OO in my younger days & it always annoyed me (a bit) how the HO track is correct but the OO stuff is bigger than HO which is the correct scale v the track. Its nice to see TT stuff being the correct scale for its track. Just personal choice but feel N gauge is to small. I'd love to get back in to this & would seriously look at TT. Thanks. Ps: Anyone who doesn't know, TT is short for Table Top.
@@SamsTrainsYou certainly could say that TT scale seems to basically be somewhat between the sizes of OO scale alongside N scale; which certainly happens to be replying straight back to the comment applying directly to size!
I am pleased to see that your set is a good all-rounder. Hopefully Hornby can keep this up so that TT gets re-established. I will stick to OO but my nephew has joined the TT club. I would have hated it if Hornby had failed with this as they do seem to have put a lot of effort into it. A great review, as always.
I had a TT gauge railway back in 1960 at 11 years of age for Christmas. it was a tank loco with 4 wagons and a battery powered controller with no speed control, just directional on off. I played with it for hours and thoroughly enjoyed it. When I decided to build a layout in the 80s TT had not progressed and I couldn't get the equivalents of OO so went down the OO route. If I could have got what I wanted in TT then that is the route I would have taken. The tank locomotive still runs.
I think its a real pity that modern TT wasn't around 25 years ago when I started modelling. I used to see the old triang TT at shows and think what a lovely size it was.
As a big fan of TT scale since over 35 years i am happy about the return to Britain! In Germany it was kind of reserved in the former East Germany. The models were quite basic by today's standard, but since the reunion, from the 1990s on, a really good development took place. Today you can select from a wide range of great models from different brands like Tillig or Piko that rival HO Scale models. Like your Review, keep up with your videos!
I am really impressed with this scale train set . I own multiple scale trains from G scale to 0-27 , 0 , 00 , Ho and N scale. I think it’s detailing is very good and I am impressed with the way this set run. To me N scale is really to small to enjoy. Good job Hornby. Great review as usual Sam I would like to see more.
That's done it, I'm 100% in! Thanks so much for joining the TT stable and for doing a "proper" review showing the state of the mechanism and all. Other reviews are out there, bit none have the clarity or detail that yours do. I've been a fan of TT since the 1970s, as it really is the perfect scale. I wasn't completely sure about whether the best thing was to resurrect the 1:100 TT3 or to go continental with slightly more N-like models on TT:120. I think you're proving that we don't need to compromise any more and that Hornby have made the right decision -- on this point at least. Well done, and thanks again.
Toally bitten after watching the TV programme 'Hornby a model world' I took the plunge almost immediately and ordered the Easterner DCC with sound set. Having moved into a small 2 bed bungalow I have found space for a small layout, even got my wife's approval!! This video has given me confidence in Hornby and heir quality. Yes, there are going to be minor faults but I'm not a rivet counter so I won't be getting the magnifying glass out. Meanwhile, whilst waiting (summer :( ) delivery I've made a 6'X1' baseboard, bought some track, ordered an 08 shunter and will get some experience of TT. At 75 N gauge is too small now and no room for OO. So TT exactly fulfilling my needs. Thanks for this Video, Sam. Really a very helpful and useful instruction 'manual'.
If you think the detail on this is good, have a look at what Revolution are doing in N. Separately fitted grab rails on waggon ends, finely etched steps, full underframe detail and brake shoes that line up perfectly with the wheels. This is much more impressive when you find out it is essentially a couple of guys designing the models at their kitchen tables! Hornby could learn so much from them.
Great review Sam, I received my Scotsman set before Christmas as i'm new to this side of modelling and it's been good to see your positive review of the next set to be released
Since coming back to the hobby, I’ve been waiting for someone to re start production in TT SCALE. Glad you’ve done a review of a TT set, it gives me more confidence to go out and buy a set an dd who knows what else might be released in the future by Hornby or other.
I now have both sets, and loving the scale, I am getting so much more fun than I could have OO in the available space. Really pleased with the quality. Well done Hornby.
Hey Sam, this new Hornby TT:120 gauge set is pretty good and quiet affordable to own it. Realistically, I still prefer the regular 00 gauge models because they look more realistic and easier to use along with maintaining it properly. By the way Sam, I got myself the new Rapido UK Dyanamometer car yesterday from a retailer called Olivia's Trains. Plus, my model is the 1928 - 1938 version and it is working perfectly fine which I am glad that the lights in the model are working properly.
Thanks Bryan - yes that's true, you do get more detail on OO models, particularly from the likes of Accurascale/Rapido... that sort of thing will be difficult to beat in TT! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I do use the words more affordable - a standard OO A3 from Hornby costs £252.99, a TT one costs £145.99... not far from half the price. Still expensive, maybe, but compared with N scale... £140 for a Hall class, £133 for a Britannia... not bad at all. And N scale is much smaller than TT! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
👍Good start for Hornby TT:120 here. Was not sure what to expect. Will be interesting to see what other makers, Peco , Gaugemaster , etc. bring in the future . Thanks Sam! Steve
Agreed 👍 especially Peco and Bachmann. 009 was largely ignored by less experienced modellers due to a lack of RTR locos and stock. It took Peco to produce a couple of really good wagons to make it really take off. And now we have a range of fabulous little NG locos too thanks to Bachmann. If this happens again with TT120 it will be really good for that scale too.
It's a shame Hornby have gone for code 80 and Peco code 55 track though. I believe there is a slight height difference making them currently incompatible. The Peco track includes unifrog points which is really nice and is an advantage over Hornby's.
Good to see the reviews appearing for this set,.. I received mine only a few days ago - I have not purchased Hornby trains, new, for a while but think I may have drawn the short straw with this set as I had to send it back !!. The windows in the coaches seem to have a bit of a 'glue' issue on some which spoils the overall detail work of the rest on the coach. They will not go with the original Triang TT range if anyone has it, and is curious. It would however work well with HO/OO as a background railway creating the effect of distance on a HO/OO layout. Hornby apparently do not make N gauge so they will be new to creating smaller detailed loco's and stock, So on that basis would also praise the level of detail but with some reservation,... are we going to quibble about the upside down whistle on the A4 !!?.
Thanks for reviewing TT Sam, I have ordered one of these sets and love the idea of TT 120 in general. I like the correctness of the gauge and closer spacing of the coaches. So glad Hornby has ventured down this path. look forward to seeing you review the Class 08 when it arrives ;) Cheers!
Looks very good Sam . Thanks for reviewing . I think I’m waiting until we see critical mass on this with the HST , class 37 and 47 joining the 08 , 50 and 66 . But it certainly looks like a nice alternative to possibly create my retirement layout !
TT ,the thinking mans scale ,more detail than N scale but small enough to fit more in a smaller space than OO ,as a modeller of over 50 years i still have lot's of the Triang TT stuff ,i truly hope this scales re-launch takes off
Excellent job, Sam. With that kind of score, I can see TT doing well. Pleased you are including it in your videos. Looking forward to seeing a smaller engine, 060 or 044, as people without space tend to stick to smaller stuff. That would be interesting.
Hi Sam, This scale has great potential and it looks seriously well made and convincing even for the rivet counter model railroader. In the EU and US choice is yours in TT and it's clever that Hornby jumped on the 'train' and bring lovely 'British' models. I share your enthousiasme Sam ! Most enjoyable review. Success and happy 'TT' model railroading. Cheers, Filip
You should add a couple sidings, one or two at the corners on one end of the layout and 2 or 3 in the middle. That way, as your fleet grows you can place locos and rolling stock around for the ends of the videos where we have to pick out the odd loco like on your OO reviews! :)
Right at the start, I was impressed by the A4's lubricator linkage a) actually being modelled and b)working. Not so long ago even 00 gauge would have neglected it. And good to see a Haymarket loco modelled rather than the usual Top Shed engines normally included in train sets.
Thanks for reviewing this and giving TT a chance. I’m totally new to model railways and was torn between starting with OO or TT. I was concerned about the reduction in quality, but if Hornby can keep up this quality or improve upon it, then I really don’t think it’s going to be an issue. The smaller scale will mean I could go for a more ambitious layout in the space I’ve allocated. My only concern is how easy this smaller scale will be to add custom weathering to. I’ve seen it done at N scale which looked far too fiddly for me and the results weren’t that convincing. That said, the imperfections visible in the close up shots of this engine actually make it look partly worn and a lot less pristine than OO gauge which to me is desirable. This example might only require a light weathering to look the part. Thanks Sam, my young son and I follow your channel and we’re grateful for your content. I think you’ve convinced me to go TT. My bank account will be grateful.
Have a perusal of German TT, the detail and what modellers do to it is as every bit as good as 00/H0. They do tend to be a more premium product so they are accordingly in a different league from the Hornby product
Hi Sam! Well, I have to at, I think you are as pleasantly surprised as I was. My friend has the Scotsman set (with an A1 and three Pullmans) which is very impressive too. He had already bought some Peco track and set it up on a 7 foot long board, which is fabulous! 😎 I must say, the Hornby track is not as good having given it a once over. The Peco track is better looking and the points are much better, albeit they are more expensive in comparison. 🤔 And yes, I am sorely tempted to get something in due course 😜 Cheers Sam, a fair review I’d say mate 🍀👍🍻
Interesting. If I end up building a layout, I'm not sure I'd go tt scale, but the fact they can build something so nice so small, it's impressive. That said, I'll probably stick with ho/oo for now.
Thanks Trent! Yeah that's fair - we don't know how long the scale will last or if it'll catch on... if you're serious about the hobby, OO/HO is probably safer for now! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Gotta love how Hornby talk about TT being more affordable then go and sell a starter set for near £200! Its only "more affordable" because they made everything else far more expensive. Railroad-level trains at Railways prices, and Railways-level trains at absurd collectors prices! That being said, I can imagine prices might fall slightly as more sets are produced, at least from second-hand sellers and retailers. Also, amazing to see that your set seemingly arrived unscathed! Ive seen a few reviews of this set and many have either missing parts or damaged locos.
haha yeah that's true - the locos I think are quite reasonable... the rolling stock is still overpriced in my opinion... no way these coaches are worth £30 or more. No damaged parts or anything, but I'll look out for that going forward! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam. Thats me now watched the review, and am very pleasantly surprised to see what a good job they have made of this. Like yourself I was not expecting the serviceability and bearings etc at this scale. Good quality finish evident the moment you took it out of the box. I think the slow speed is perhaps not a great issue for this sort of express loco. I reckon this is just crying out for a shelf style shunting layout. If they can get a proper crawling shunter I’d be very keen to try it out. Thanks again.
My take on that is that the slow-speed control done by DCC chips probably means that with HM7000 (or "proper" DCC), the crawl on these locos would be much improved. But I was impressed with this crawl for a 3 pole motor. Very little cogging.
I've got the Scotsman set and I'm very impressed as well. Couple of comparisons between the two; the front bogie wheels don't turn properly on mine either, especially on curves. The coaches in the scotsman set have more detail - there's (non working) lamps on each of the tables and they're much closer coupling. I'm converted from OO anyway and looking forward to seeing more from Hornby (for a change)!
Looks amazing, can't help thinking about all the new tooling to be made on Locomotives, carriages, wagons then there's new scenery items, buildings, people, vehicles that have to be made to fit to TT scale. That's a lot of resources.
A good review Sam. One minor point you overlooked when looking at the Instructions, it states there is provision for a Sugarcube speaker to be fitted underneath the decoder. For those wanting "sound" that is a useful addition.
Hi Sam. What a great video again. I really like the way you present and how the videos are made. An amazing content about the model train hobby. Even I’m a TT guy since I’m a child, I enjoy your videos, even it was only OO till now. But I got the Hornby 2022 xmas train box for under the Christmas tree. I’m still waiting for my first British Model the A1 Flying Scotsman to arrive. I’m looking forward to let it run on my layout. Hornby is also the first one who has metal bearings in their locos. Enjoy the TT scale as well and I’m happy to see also from time to time some TT scale here as well. Take care 🚂 Btw. yes you uncoupled them on the right way, I also do it like that. Another way would be with a screw driver with a magnet at the end, where you can lift the couplers up. (Tillig is selling them)
Hello Sam hope you and yours are well. Thankyou for your detailed review of The Easterner set, I imagine a lot of people like myself were waiting for your opinion on the mechanics and in depth investigation, of Hornby's new venture. I agree that the A4 does seem to run fast but probably a characteristic of TT that we'll accept as it becomes the norm. Thankyou again for such an exhaustive review and all the best.
Hi Sam. The couplings are the same as (or similar to) those made by Tillig, which is indeed a European manufacturer. Other reviewers have used the same technique to uncouple rolling stock and locos. Other reviewers found that the coaches made a scraping noise on the curves, but Hornby reported that this doesn't happen when the track is secured to the baseboard.
This looks great, I'm glad they were still able to include a lot of detail and a decent mechanism on it. I can see why you're saying it's too fast, but I feel like it at least makes some sense for this locomotive because it's an A4.
I have that set too it's good,but found the coach wheels rubbed the underside off the coach on the curves making a noise. Try some tillig tt or piko tt They are very good runners.and mostly 5 pole motors.
Great review. TT looks more interesting now. It's a good scale whereas N scale looks just too small and is a challenge for aging eyesight! It'll be interesting to see what locomotives and stock appear in the Hornby TT range in future and whether they can maintain their OO scale offering at the same time.
Thank you Sam, great positive review. After having to take apart my OO layout due to needing the space, and now got quite a bit of stock stored away. Contemplating selling it on and switching to TT120 to allow for more layout options, so in the short term looking forward to you hopefully reviewing more as Hornby release them. Probably likely to keep my powder dry atm, though already picked up some superior Peco track and going to take the plunge when the HST arrives. Keep up the good work 👍🏻
Thanks a lot Ashley - ahh that definitely could be viable for you - you can definitely do a lot more in a set space with TT - good luck! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
So I am totally new to your channel and have been watching your past content and its brilliant thanks, being a beginner I am not sure what grade to get for my first layout TT scale looks great. I am looking at joining a club near me so hopefully by the end of the year 2024 I will have somthing finger crossed. so thank you for all your videos and all the information its great to have it thanks again Mick.
Lovely, and beautifully made. It seems to us that TT:120 does work out better for H than OO actually. Decent job done here. While the rest of the industry have embraced a swivelling trailing construction with normal flanged wheels since ages, H apparently still have chosen to sit in the dark ages on this one. You’d think they would have taken the chance to finally arrive in modern days. Ohhh, well. These coaches work out better as well in this scale, specially since the tooling is new. As for the motor, there are 5-pole ones actually available in the industry, or coreless. But overall, very decent set and worth the money Sam... Btw, how many H controllers do you own by now hahah. Cheerio.
I think so too! It's perfect for Hornby - as the level of detail is pretty similar to what they've been doing in OO. I suppose the fixed rear axle makes more sense here in TT... still don't get why they do it in OO though! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains None of the European TT actually have fixed trailing axles Sam, not even Arnold which is owned by H but Arnold are more expensive in all fairness though, including a higher grade of details.
@@lindaoffenbach remember that Hornby went to the fixed rear trailing wheels as a nod to the prototype which are fixed. I personally don't like it in a model, one of those rare occasions where replicating the prototype actually comes out looking worse
A good review Sam. Hornby tell me that you can remove the tape that covers the screw above the front bogie assembly. It was initially thought that there might be oil leaking from the screw hole (?), but its not needed now. Also, the screw in the front bogie of mine work loose during running in and the whole bogie came away from the A4. Theres a spring that holds the bogie to the track, and mine is embedded in the carpet somewhere! Hornby are sending a spare. i'm pleased with my intro to TT and have already started work on a layout
I see you had black tape under the front wheels as well. I had some on my Scotsman set and it was stopping the front wheels turning properly. Did you hear any weird scratching noises from the coaches on the curves? Can you try running your set with the track included in the set without pinning it down. Hornby have said pinning the track down fixes the problem. There's a horrible buzz from the motor at slow speed when using the included controller. The analogue power track has capacitors/noise reduction circuitry in it which causes problems if you put DCC in the loco. I guess that's why there is a DCC power track option, but they don't tell to why. I found it impossible to connect the couplings on a curve, even fourth radius, the buffers touch before the coupling can connect properly. Overall though I love my Scotsman set and I have the DCC sound version of the Easterner pre-ordered. Hopefully it won't be too long for that to arrive.
Most impressive, I also have some train models as well. All of them are HO Scale models 3 steam locomotives, 2 diesels, 15 or 18 freight cars, 4 or 5 passenger cars, and 2 caboose. I have most put away while I have 4 trains on display.
Proof Sam can say nice things about Hornby when they do things worthy of nice things being said. This is a video to show people who think his brand is build on negative reviews and Hornby bashing. Looks good!
i don't think the trainset coaches are the same as the ones you can buy separately but might be wrong; bit pricey if they are! Great review and glad you're covering TT! I got the Scotsman set and quite impressed; They've released Flying Scotsman separately so hopefully you'll be reviewing that soon! ;)
I thought they were - I know the pullmans in the other set didn't have lighting - but I haven't heard that they've produced different/simpler coaches for this set?? Please let me know if you've heard otherwise! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I would be curious to see how these Hornby models look next to American ones, given how these are more accurately proportioned than the OO ones. One could then see the real size difference.
Good review. I must say I'm quite tempted. Like most things there are pros and cons. PROS: - Can build a more extensive layout compared to OO. Also takes up less storage. - The 'new' price is quite a bit cheaper than the OO equivalent models, comparable to second hand OO for locos and coaches, though not wagons. One of the advantages of it being online with no middleman. - Accurate scale. - To my eye the coupling system seems better than standard OO. CONS: - Currently a limited range. To be fair to Hornby by the time the 4th phase comes out (perhaps 2 years?) they'll be enough for a very decent first layout. I would like to see more small and mid sized locos in the pipe line. So far in the first 4 phases there is only the class 08 shunter, J94, GWR 5700 prairie tank and at Warley Simon Kohler mentioned a J50 to me (phase 5?). Just a matter of time though. - No established second hand market. * - Limited accessories at present. Hopefully people like Metcalf and the laser cut guys will get on board. Otherwise it's buy your own 3D printer. - Personally I just prefer the size of OO. Maybe because it's what I'm used to. It's a question of do I prefer the advantage of a more extensive layout or being able to see the models themselves better? - Not currently in the models shops. Whilst this does keep the price down it would be nice to see it in the flesh before buying, plus the model shops give lots of help and advice to customers. *For Hornby though no secondhand market or rivals at present is great news. And a flourishing Hornby is good for the hobby. In OO they miss out on a huge amount of sales to secondhand, not to mention rival companies. I only buy new OO if it's old stock at massive discounts from model shops. 90% of my collection is pre-owned. Hornby get very little of my cash.
Happy that you're reviewing the TT series, I have pre-ordered the Digital version of the Easterner, this summer so It looks like it will be a good value! I wish the Hornby US would add TT:120 series here so I don't have to pay the expensive shipping, but then I don't have to pay the VAT so it evens out I guess.
Hi Sam from Australia - I love your channel and reviews even though I model HO NSW. The whole TT thing seems to have opened up a can full of worms (or hornets) 🙂. It would be interesting to get your views on Charlie’s (Chadwick) review. Cheers
Thanks for your review Sam. What I will say is that you might be pleasantly surprised by N Gauge in terms of detail and quality. I compared the video footage of the coaches to a Graham Farish N Gauge Thompson coach and would say that the detailing of the N Gauge model is at least as good as the TT Mk1s, if not a bit better in some areas (particularly underframe detail). You might also be surprised by how consistently and smoothly good quality modern N Gauge locos run too. Perhaps you could consider an even smaller N Gauge test-track/mini-layout in the future? I would highly recommend Kato unitrack to make life as easy as possible! 🙂
Not going to mention the train or scale, but really impressed with the quality of your reviews of late. The chapterisation, the very, very crisp photography, the in depth study at the individual items, very impressive. The transitions and speed of the pans is top notch. Always like watching your reviews even if not particularly interested in the product. Good show old bean. P.s, I'll renig on that: I am disappointed with the non flywheel 3 pole motor. Just having the hornby arnold and tillig tt: they are superlative runners. The tillig E77 puts most H0 models to shame with its detailing and running. The hornby arnold tt br58 has driving wheel suspension and diecast boiler, details and tender. They aren't cheap of course, but the British range just seems to smack a bit of half heartedness, even built down to a price, in the hope no one will notice. My tillig VT has moveable dropdown step plates between coaches, a complete set of add on buffer beam connectors, a complete set of separately fitted grab rails and wipers etc, with blackened fine flanged wheels and the like. I really loathe to use the term as theres absolutely nothing wrong with toy trains or the desire to own them, but that's what these remind me of. They're like premium products but from the days of triang. I still like them, but just not enough to overshadow to offset the more expensive German equipment. I'd rather spend more and be genuinely impressed by the premium product. The hornby tt120 range is in no way even remotely comparable to the hornby arnold tt range (small though it is) and I'm not only a bit disappointed, but also it looks like the plucky British modellers may even be getting a bit short changed by the product :)
Bless you for that, really appreciate those kind words, thank you! Yes I think they could have improved the motor setup if they'd wanted to - tricky for sure, but those motors aren't that ideal are they... they run at light speed! Thanks very much for sharing, Cheers, Sam :)
Hello, I noticed that the gear wheels and bearings were dry on the locomotive when you looked at the mechanism, maybe a little oil would help with the smooth running of the loco and give you a better "crawl" result too, also, place a little oil on the coaches to help them to run smoothly too.
Watching your Flying Scotsman review I commented that as a lad in the late 50s I had a TT layout and used to use OO/HO trackside accessories and they looked ok. Seeing the OO loco beside the TT model now realise the scale totally different. I was of course very young at the time 😂
Decent review here Sam, from the looks of it a really nice set with a great looking A4 locomotive, it looks really good in the BR green with the late crest, tt isn’t something I’m going to be getting as I’m mainly a OO gauge modeller.
I hope this scale takes off. My Dad has some N gauge diesels which run beautifully. I’d imagine big diesels will be good in this scale. Looking forward to seeing some shunting locos too!
So, a test of the real thing, let's see it... Price first : compared to N, GBP 194 for a set with tracks (including one set of points), transformator-regulator, one engine an three coaches, I can't find no exact equivalent in N scale, the Kato Glacier express (an electric locomotive, two coaches, tracks and controller) is at GBP 180. On a pricetag point of view, this is a good point for Hornby. The rolling stock looks nice and well manufactured. the controller is a piece of sheet, but it can be useful while you are waiting for the delivery of the Gaugemaster one you have ordered to replace it. I'm not a fan of the tracks, but they are useable, looks nice and I hope they are sturdy enough to be used in real conditions. For the engine, well, the tender-engine connection is laughable nowadays. The engine is superb, you really get your money back here, same for the coaches. For the rest, good mechanism overall, what we expect from Hornby. And more able to be open than anything from Heljan. Three poles motor, a coreless would have been better, but it's the one of the Peckett, so, acceptable, even if Hornby could have done better here. At least, the motor is not a useless piece of garbage like some of the ones they put inside some models which would have been great with a real motor (9F anyone ?). Dynamic qualities : runs fine, that's great. Fast runner but it's an express engine, you can live with it. So, overall, it looks nice and it works fine. The negative points are the tender-engine connection and some points missing in the documentation. Not critical, but annoying. As is, it's enough to convince me to not ditch Hornby from my idea of buying someday some TT rolling stock, the Q/P ratio is more than correct, you really have a level of detail not too low compared to OO, and a size not too less practical than N scale. Hornby had done the right thing by doing it full 1/120 scale, track and rolling stock, without any outdated compromises. The sole point that annoys me is them to force my hand by being the only retailer of their products... I would consider this while comparing to the German offer in this scale. For the track, that would be Tillig with ballast for me anyway, no need to argue... Just to finish : the couplers are a Tillig design (far better than the Rapido for N Scale, and the buckle one in OO9 in my opinion) you can uncouple with any vertical-raising paddle-like decoupler. Or a strip of transparent plastic you slide between your tracks to form a buckle rounded upwards at the right height, seen on many RUclips videos : costs close to nothing, easy to manufactures and highly efficient. It's a permanent feature, its sole inconvenient... Well, Hornby had taken everything they needs to have some success with this scale, and that would be great if they relaunch it for the UK market. Wait and see...
I’m really interested in this as I don’t have the space for an OO layout really, and I find N too small. I hope the other vendors produce more scenery items in TT scale to really make this viable. Little tip in case you don’t know, if you decide to DCC this you need to replace the power track connector (like you do with OO) or the DCC is unreliable due to the capacitor in the power track connector :) I really like this little set, definitely going to look into it :)
That sounds good Alan - you could probably make good use of the smaller size of TT then! Thanks for the tip, though I've never known the capacitor cause any unreliability in the past! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains it was something another channel called Simon’s shed had experienced with poor slow running on DCC and turned out wiring direct cured it. He was using the Hornby dcc controller though. Looking forward to more tt120 videos :)
I’m not sure what all the fuss is about with sprung buffers on small models. They’re pretty pointless for your layout. Lights: look realistic when running Openable smokebox doors: look real in a shed scene Moving fans on diesels: realistic when running Openable cab doors: look good in a depo scene Sprung buffers: eerm…..uh…mmm
For those who can not grasp the size, TT is about halfway between HO and N in size (1:87, 1:120, 1:150). TT is the 2nd most popular size for modeling in central Europe (German, Austria, Switzerland, Czechia, Poland, etc.). The models in TT in this region are beautifully detailed and quite sharp to run (although I am an HO guy).
I haven't yet studied what's available in this scale but I can see ( me myself ) using it to develop a small OO12 layout based on my hobby, the isle of man
When my nephew gets older I want to build a small TT scale layout with him so he can run it at home. Since it’s small and cheaper then hornby OO than it’s perfect. I hope it will allow me and him to bond over a bit of modeling.
I am tempted to get the first set and some track to run my Hp products TT equipment. Ofcourse the HP is far heavier than these. The couplers appear to be a modded version of the HP products coupler so since i have tons (i swapped Micro trains N and HOn3 couplers on) i can easily test it.. they look extremely similar to.. i gotta get this track.
Plenty of track available with different styles from a number of manufacturers. Tillig advertise their turnouts as being flexible, but it appears to be in a limited way
I think Hornby would do well to keep prices on a small selection of TT sets, very keen indeed. That could attract newer folk and tempt OO long standers to try tt. Once roped in, a tacit commitment to the scale may set in, not least because of financial ‘buy-in’. If pricing runs away from the start or if H position this as premium, with high prices, like other reviewers here, I would have doubts as to its success. For me, it’s a good excuse to dip in but on a DCC basis which my oo stuff is not. Nicely reviewed so well done to you.
For the scale of the set TT:120, I think the finish is very good and by using the 3-foot rule you do not see the little rough areas as shown by magnification. I am not too sure about the couplings, they look a bit flimsy and one of the hooks stayed up until the loco moved. It is going to take a long time to get anywhere near what is available in OO. Martin (Thailand)
TT scale seemed perfect for me as I've always loved this hobby but never had the space for a layout. Unfortunately I think I may have received the "Friday afternoon special", as my Easterner made a loud buzzing sound and would not even move until given about half throttle, after which it would jerk into action. I ran it in but it never got any better, and that in conjunction with the fact that the locomotive coupler was at an upward angle and would not connect to any of the included carriages sealed its fate. I'm quite saddened by this, as the detailing on the engine was beautiful, and the rolling stock and track seemed to be very high quality. Trying to decide whether I just was unlucky, or if Hornby has some sort of quality control problem.
It's the ideal scale really and doesn't appear compromised by it's diminutive size relative to OO. For someone starting out it could be the answer if space is limited whilst being rather more "finger friendly" for young digits too. Or, if you're more senior, still manageable for aging eyesight. Hornby really seem commuted to TT120 and I wish them success. However, let's see it in retailers please Hornby!
I like to see a series of TT Reviews on here soon. Sam's TT Trains should be the series I think, if you want to do that. I think it will be really good.
Looks a good set with quality better than expected for the smaller size. Great comprehensive review. Now that you have a wooden base, I think you should start a side project, maybe run by Chloe, to add in some scenery and village buildings etc., with of course a little farm!
Thank youSam, they all ran better than expected. And no traction tyres, what a big relief... One thing that bugged me most in the past is the 'not to scale' track and models in both OO and N gauge (UK). As the correct O scale is too big in size and price, the correct scaled TT might be a nice alternative. For UK TT is too close to N, while in ROW it is just in the middle. As a 'Hornby exclusive' only though... No thanks... If other manufacturers and retailers could get on board... Maybe...
A very nice train. Ur so cool and I watched how u made ur own train, it's so cool how u made it. So where can I send my pics of my train layout to so I can show u. Keep being awesome 😎
Thank you so much - and really glad you liked the locos I made! Feel free to email me your creations at samstrains@outlook.com Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, I was glad you went for the Easterner Set. Mine came the other day. So I was interested to see your impressions of it! I did notice a couple of issues - if curved track is not fixed down, then the coach wells scape against the sole bars! On very close inspection I noticed one or two spots of rust on the coupling hooks! I think TT:120 will be good for those wanting to create a representation of a real place. OO gauge reprentatiions of buildings have to be diminutive versions of the real life counterparts! However, I think OO is the best gauge. As regards the pricing issues you are always complaining about, this new TT:120 range does mean if you want a model of a particular loco and can't afford it in OO, then you've got a second string to your bow! Thanks for uploading.
Hi Sam, I would love to see you unbox some Roco loco's. I personally am a huge german train fan, and seeing as Roco works on hornby rails it wouldn't be impossible. Although its in H0 you've dealt with that before so that's nothing new. Otherwise a great video as always.
I'm running sometimes my Roco engines on Peco Setrack, and all my UK models, all brands, on Piko track. Hornby track is sold in France for HO Jouef models, so, not an issue, the norms are the same, and the Peco and Hornby tracks for OO are sized, in fact, as HO track for the spacing of the ties...
Hi Sam, Nice review, Yes very nice set, ok if you want to change from oo to TT, and make a new start I like it very much, can't wait to see what else they come up with, All the best Brian 😃
you can se the same type of couples on arnold webpage and i belive that piko from germany has released couple of tt locos whth the same couples but they name it tt short couples acording to nem specs. i like the tt:120 loco and the coaches nice starter set you bought. i like the tt1:120 scale due to it’s smaller size . it is better than my 1:32 steam loco in size .😂😂 i am looking forward to more tt content. 👍👍👍👍👍🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪
TT scale was originated by an American model railroader Harold something-or-other his company was called HP products TT scale was 1/10 of an inch to a foot making measurements easy and it was called that because it was tabletop. I remember a train shop in Port Charlotte who had a TT layout in the window. After the founder died most of the rolling stock was repurposed for HO scale narrow gauge. His line of trains did not do too well because it did not have the selection that HO scale had and it was twice as expensive. It is ironic that as the trains get smaller they double in price from the previous scale except for HO scale that is.
Weirdly, I'm looking forward to the tiny 0-6-0 shunters used on dockyards to get the TT:120 treatment, could be a real interesting test of engineering. Also would it be worth re-reviewing this set once a good amount of models have been made?
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I’ve always been a fan of TT Scale, since it isn’t as “big” as OO and as small as N gauge. So, especially for people with smaller homes, I consider it the “perfect Scale”! Splendid review, Sam, keep going like this!
That's awesome then - you should be in for a treat then! Really glad you liked it,
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I share your opinion but with S scale vs HO and O scales. More train while still being slightly smallish.
In the UK, where they have OO, it makes TT:120 look a little too close to N gauge.
It looks like in TT:120, you'll be pretty well stuck with what Hornby offer, where as with N you do have a choice of manufacturers.
I did OO in my younger days & it always annoyed me (a bit) how the HO track is correct but the OO stuff is bigger than HO which is the correct scale v the track. Its nice to see TT stuff being the correct scale for its track. Just personal choice but feel N gauge is to small. I'd love to get back in to this & would seriously look at TT. Thanks.
Ps: Anyone who doesn't know, TT is short for Table Top.
@@SamsTrainsYou certainly could say that TT scale seems to basically be somewhat between the sizes of OO scale alongside N scale; which certainly happens to be replying straight back to the comment applying directly to size!
I am pleased to see that your set is a good all-rounder. Hopefully Hornby can keep this up so that TT gets re-established. I will stick to OO but my nephew has joined the TT club. I would have hated it if Hornby had failed with this as they do seem to have put a lot of effort into it. A great review, as always.
Thanks Jeffrey - yes it sure is a good all-rounder! They sure have put a lot of effort in, so credit where credit is due!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I had a TT gauge railway back in 1960 at 11 years of age for Christmas. it was a tank loco with 4 wagons and a battery powered controller with no speed control, just directional on off. I played with it for hours and thoroughly enjoyed it. When I decided to build a layout in the 80s TT had not progressed and I couldn't get the equivalents of OO so went down the OO route. If I could have got what I wanted in TT then that is the route I would have taken. The tank locomotive still runs.
I think its a real pity that modern TT wasn't around 25 years ago when I started modelling. I used to see the old triang TT at shows and think what a lovely size it was.
Yeah it's a pain it never took off back in the day - maybe it will do this time around!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
As a big fan of TT scale since over 35 years i am happy about the return to Britain! In Germany it was kind of reserved in the former East Germany. The models were quite basic by today's standard, but since the reunion, from the 1990s on, a really good development took place. Today you can select from a wide range of great models from different brands like Tillig or Piko that rival HO Scale models.
Like your Review, keep up with your videos!
am sure hornby know what they are doing as TT has been in there other markets for a long time.
Very nice sam, if I was getting back into the hobby now rather than 8 years ago I would definitely consider this scale 👍
Thanks a lot Ciaran - that's the thing isn't it - no incentive to change if you've already established OO!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I am really impressed with this scale train set . I own multiple scale trains from G scale to 0-27 , 0 , 00 , Ho and N scale. I think it’s detailing is very good and I am impressed with the way this set run. To me N scale is really to small to enjoy. Good job Hornby. Great review as usual Sam I would like to see more.
Me too Louis - it's up there with the best isn't it? Very much enjoyed this!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
That's done it, I'm 100% in! Thanks so much for joining the TT stable and for doing a "proper" review showing the state of the mechanism and all. Other reviews are out there, bit none have the clarity or detail that yours do.
I've been a fan of TT since the 1970s, as it really is the perfect scale. I wasn't completely sure about whether the best thing was to resurrect the 1:100 TT3 or to go continental with slightly more N-like models on TT:120. I think you're proving that we don't need to compromise any more and that Hornby have made the right decision -- on this point at least. Well done, and thanks again.
Toally bitten after watching the TV programme 'Hornby a model world' I took the plunge almost immediately and ordered the Easterner DCC with sound set. Having moved into a small 2 bed bungalow I have found space for a small layout, even got my wife's approval!! This video has given me confidence in Hornby and heir quality. Yes, there are going to be minor faults but I'm not a rivet counter so I won't be getting the magnifying glass out. Meanwhile, whilst waiting (summer :( ) delivery I've made a 6'X1' baseboard, bought some track, ordered an 08 shunter and will get some experience of TT. At 75 N gauge is too small now and no room for OO. So TT exactly fulfilling my needs.
Thanks for this Video, Sam. Really a very helpful and useful instruction 'manual'.
If you think the detail on this is good, have a look at what Revolution are doing in N. Separately fitted grab rails on waggon ends, finely etched steps, full underframe detail and brake shoes that line up perfectly with the wheels. This is much more impressive when you find out it is essentially a couple of guys designing the models at their kitchen tables! Hornby could learn so much from them.
Great review Sam, I received my Scotsman set before Christmas as i'm new to this side of modelling and it's been good to see your positive review of the next set to be released
Thanks a lot Aaron - really hope you enjoyed the Scotsman set!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Since coming back to the hobby, I’ve been waiting for someone to re start production in TT SCALE. Glad you’ve done a review of a TT set, it gives me more confidence to go out and buy a set an dd who knows what else might be released in the future by Hornby or other.
I now have both sets, and loving the scale, I am getting so much more fun than I could have OO in the available space. Really pleased with the quality. Well done Hornby.
Hey Sam, this new Hornby TT:120 gauge set is pretty good and quiet affordable to own it. Realistically, I still prefer the regular 00 gauge models because they look more realistic and easier to use along with maintaining it properly. By the way Sam, I got myself the new Rapido UK Dyanamometer car yesterday from a retailer called Olivia's Trains. Plus, my model is the 1928 - 1938 version and it is working perfectly fine which I am glad that the lights in the model are working properly.
Thanks Bryan - yes that's true, you do get more detail on OO models, particularly from the likes of Accurascale/Rapido... that sort of thing will be difficult to beat in TT!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I would not use the word affordable for a smaller gauge and still paying well over 100 pound per loco
I do use the words more affordable - a standard OO A3 from Hornby costs £252.99, a TT one costs £145.99... not far from half the price. Still expensive, maybe, but compared with N scale... £140 for a Hall class, £133 for a Britannia... not bad at all. And N scale is much smaller than TT!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
👍Good start for Hornby TT:120 here. Was not sure what to expect. Will be interesting to see what other makers, Peco , Gaugemaster , etc. bring in the future .
Thanks Sam!
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Agreed 👍 especially Peco and Bachmann. 009 was largely ignored by less experienced modellers due to a lack of RTR locos and stock. It took Peco to produce a couple of really good wagons to make it really take off. And now we have a range of fabulous little NG locos too thanks to Bachmann. If this happens again with TT120 it will be really good for that scale too.
It's a shame Hornby have gone for code 80 and Peco code 55 track though. I believe there is a slight height difference making them currently incompatible. The Peco track includes unifrog points which is really nice and is an advantage over Hornby's.
A really good start! I'm looking forward to seeing what the other manufacturers do too!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Good to see the reviews appearing for this set,.. I received mine only a few days ago - I have not purchased Hornby trains, new, for a while but think I may have drawn the short straw with this set as I had to send it back !!. The windows in the coaches seem to have a bit of a 'glue' issue on some which spoils the overall detail work of the rest on the coach. They will not go with the original Triang TT range if anyone has it, and is curious. It would however work well with HO/OO as a background railway creating the effect of distance on a HO/OO layout. Hornby apparently do not make N gauge so they will be new to creating smaller detailed loco's and stock, So on that basis would also praise the level of detail but with some reservation,... are we going to quibble about the upside down whistle on the A4 !!?.
Thanks for reviewing TT Sam, I have ordered one of these sets and love the idea of TT 120 in general. I like the correctness of the gauge and closer spacing of the coaches. So glad Hornby has ventured down this path. look forward to seeing you review the Class 08 when it arrives ;) Cheers!
That sounds awesome - I hope you really enjoy it! Yes the spacing between the coaches is a good point - looks great!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Looks very good Sam . Thanks for reviewing . I think I’m waiting until we see critical mass on this with the HST , class 37 and 47 joining the 08 , 50 and 66 . But it certainly looks like a nice alternative to possibly create my retirement layout !
It's a pleasure Russell - I'm really looking forward to those too! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
TT ,the thinking mans scale ,more detail than N scale but small enough to fit more in a smaller space than OO ,as a modeller of over 50 years i still have lot's of the Triang TT stuff ,i truly hope this scales re-launch takes off
Been waiting for this Sam. Thanks.
Thanks Greg, hope you enjoy!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Excellent job, Sam. With that kind of score, I can see TT doing well. Pleased you are including it in your videos. Looking forward to seeing a smaller engine, 060 or 044, as people without space tend to stick to smaller stuff. That would be interesting.
Thanks Ray - I can see it doing well too - looking forward to more too! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, This scale has great potential and it looks seriously well made and convincing even for the rivet counter model railroader. In the EU and US choice is yours in TT and it's clever that Hornby jumped on the 'train' and bring lovely 'British' models. I share your enthousiasme Sam ! Most enjoyable review. Success and happy 'TT' model railroading. Cheers, Filip
Thanks Filip - I agree, it's really top quality in my opinion! Appreciate the comment,
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
You should add a couple sidings, one or two at the corners on one end of the layout and 2 or 3 in the middle. That way, as your fleet grows you can place locos and rolling stock around for the ends of the videos where we have to pick out the odd loco like on your OO reviews! :)
That would be awesome! I am thinking of doing an N scale layout in the middle though :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
So looking forward to getting my Easterner set and getting back into the hobby. Great review as always sam 👏👏👏
Right at the start, I was impressed by the A4's lubricator linkage a) actually being modelled and b)working. Not so long ago even 00 gauge would have neglected it. And good to see a Haymarket loco modelled rather than the usual Top Shed engines normally included in train sets.
Thanks for reviewing this and giving TT a chance.
I’m totally new to model railways and was torn between starting with OO or TT. I was concerned about the reduction in quality, but if Hornby can keep up this quality or improve upon it, then I really don’t think it’s going to be an issue.
The smaller scale will mean I could go for a more ambitious layout in the space I’ve allocated.
My only concern is how easy this smaller scale will be to add custom weathering to. I’ve seen it done at N scale which looked far too fiddly for me and the results weren’t that convincing.
That said, the imperfections visible in the close up shots of this engine actually make it look partly worn and a lot less pristine than OO gauge which to me is desirable. This example might only require a light weathering to look the part.
Thanks Sam, my young son and I follow your channel and we’re grateful for your content.
I think you’ve convinced me to go TT. My bank account will be grateful.
Have a perusal of German TT, the detail and what modellers do to it is as every bit as good as 00/H0.
They do tend to be a more premium product so they are accordingly in a different league from the Hornby product
Hi Sam! Well, I have to at, I think you are as pleasantly surprised as I was. My friend has the Scotsman set (with an A1 and three Pullmans) which is very impressive too. He had already bought some Peco track and set it up on a 7 foot long board, which is fabulous! 😎
I must say, the Hornby track is not as good having given it a once over. The Peco track is better looking and the points are much better, albeit they are more expensive in comparison. 🤔
And yes, I am sorely tempted to get something in due course 😜
Cheers Sam, a fair review I’d say mate 🍀👍🍻
Interesting. If I end up building a layout, I'm not sure I'd go tt scale, but the fact they can build something so nice so small, it's impressive. That said, I'll probably stick with ho/oo for now.
Looks very good. Bit of a risk by Hornby tooling up for a new scale.
Thanks Trent! Yeah that's fair - we don't know how long the scale will last or if it'll catch on... if you're serious about the hobby, OO/HO is probably safer for now!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Gotta love how Hornby talk about TT being more affordable then go and sell a starter set for near £200! Its only "more affordable" because they made everything else far more expensive. Railroad-level trains at Railways prices, and Railways-level trains at absurd collectors prices! That being said, I can imagine prices might fall slightly as more sets are produced, at least from second-hand sellers and retailers.
Also, amazing to see that your set seemingly arrived unscathed! Ive seen a few reviews of this set and many have either missing parts or damaged locos.
haha yeah that's true - the locos I think are quite reasonable... the rolling stock is still overpriced in my opinion... no way these coaches are worth £30 or more. No damaged parts or anything, but I'll look out for that going forward!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
How much would you be happy to pay Harry?
Hi Sam. Thats me now watched the review, and am very pleasantly surprised to see what a good job they have made of this. Like yourself I was not expecting the serviceability and bearings etc at this scale. Good quality finish evident the moment you took it out of the box. I think the slow speed is perhaps not a great issue for this sort of express loco. I reckon this is just crying out for a shelf style shunting layout. If they can get a proper crawling shunter I’d be very keen to try it out. Thanks again.
My take on that is that the slow-speed control done by DCC chips probably means that with HM7000 (or "proper" DCC), the crawl on these locos would be much improved. But I was impressed with this crawl for a 3 pole motor. Very little cogging.
I've got the Scotsman set and I'm very impressed as well. Couple of comparisons between the two; the front bogie wheels don't turn properly on mine either, especially on curves. The coaches in the scotsman set have more detail - there's (non working) lamps on each of the tables and they're much closer coupling. I'm converted from OO anyway and looking forward to seeing more from Hornby (for a change)!
Looks amazing, can't help thinking about all the new tooling to be made on Locomotives, carriages, wagons then there's new scenery items, buildings, people, vehicles that have to be made to fit to TT scale. That's a lot of resources.
You're right - it must have been a huge, huge investment for Hornby!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
A good review Sam. One minor point you overlooked when looking at the Instructions, it states there is provision for a Sugarcube speaker to be fitted underneath the decoder. For those wanting "sound" that is a useful addition.
Hi Sam. What a great video again. I really like the way you present and how the videos are made. An amazing content about the model train hobby. Even I’m a TT guy since I’m a child, I enjoy your videos, even it was only OO till now. But I got the Hornby 2022 xmas train box for under the Christmas tree. I’m still waiting for my first British Model the A1 Flying Scotsman to arrive. I’m looking forward to let it run on my layout. Hornby is also the first one who has metal bearings in their locos.
Enjoy the TT scale as well and I’m happy to see also from time to time some TT scale here as well.
Take care 🚂
Btw. yes you uncoupled them on the right way, I also do it like that. Another way would be with a screw driver with a magnet at the end, where you can lift the couplers up. (Tillig is selling them)
Thank you so much Chris, I’ve only just seen this but I really appreciate it!
Hello Sam hope you and yours are well. Thankyou for your detailed review of The Easterner set, I imagine a lot of people like myself were waiting for your opinion on the mechanics and in depth investigation, of Hornby's new venture. I agree that the A4 does seem to run fast but probably a characteristic of TT that we'll accept as it becomes the norm. Thankyou again for such an exhaustive review and all the best.
Hi Sam. The couplings are the same as (or similar to) those made by Tillig, which is indeed a European manufacturer. Other reviewers have used the same technique to uncouple rolling stock and locos. Other reviewers found that the coaches made a scraping noise on the curves, but Hornby reported that this doesn't happen when the track is secured to the baseboard.
This looks great, I'm glad they were still able to include a lot of detail and a decent mechanism on it. I can see why you're saying it's too fast, but I feel like it at least makes some sense for this locomotive because it's an A4.
Four colours in the cab detail, WOW 1
I have that set too it's good,but found the coach wheels rubbed the underside off the coach on the curves making a noise. Try some tillig tt or piko tt
They are very good runners.and mostly 5 pole motors.
Great review. TT looks more interesting now. It's a good scale whereas N scale looks just too small and is a challenge for aging eyesight! It'll be interesting to see what locomotives and stock appear in the Hornby TT range in future and whether they can maintain their OO scale offering at the same time.
Thank you Sam, great positive review. After having to take apart my OO layout due to needing the space, and now got quite a bit of stock stored away. Contemplating selling it on and switching to TT120 to allow for more layout options, so in the short term looking forward to you hopefully reviewing more as Hornby release them. Probably likely to keep my powder dry atm, though already picked up some superior Peco track and going to take the plunge when the HST arrives. Keep up the good work 👍🏻
Thanks a lot Ashley - ahh that definitely could be viable for you - you can definitely do a lot more in a set space with TT - good luck! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
So I am totally new to your channel and have been watching your past content and its brilliant thanks, being a beginner I am not sure what grade to get for my first layout TT scale looks great. I am looking at joining a club near me so hopefully by the end of the year 2024 I will have somthing finger crossed. so thank you for all your videos and all the information its great to have it thanks again Mick.
I literally just watched the video showing you building your TT:120 layout
haha awesome!! Hopefully you enjoy this sequel ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Lovely, and beautifully made. It seems to us that TT:120 does work out better for H than OO actually. Decent job done here. While the rest of the industry have embraced a swivelling trailing construction with normal flanged wheels since ages, H apparently still have chosen to sit in the dark ages on this one. You’d think they would have taken the chance to finally arrive in modern days. Ohhh, well. These coaches work out better as well in this scale, specially since the tooling is new. As for the motor, there are 5-pole ones actually available in the industry, or coreless. But overall, very decent set and worth the money Sam... Btw, how many H controllers do you own by now hahah. Cheerio.
I think so too! It's perfect for Hornby - as the level of detail is pretty similar to what they've been doing in OO. I suppose the fixed rear axle makes more sense here in TT... still don't get why they do it in OO though!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains None of the European TT actually have fixed trailing axles Sam, not even Arnold which is owned by H but Arnold are more expensive in all fairness though, including a higher grade of details.
@@lindaoffenbach remember that Hornby went to the fixed rear trailing wheels as a nod to the prototype which are fixed. I personally don't like it in a model, one of those rare occasions where replicating the prototype actually comes out looking worse
A good review Sam. Hornby tell me that you can remove the tape that covers the screw above the front bogie assembly. It was initially thought that there might be oil leaking from the screw hole (?), but its not needed now. Also, the screw in the front bogie of mine work loose during running in and the whole bogie came away from the A4. Theres a spring that holds the bogie to the track, and mine is embedded in the carpet somewhere! Hornby are sending a spare.
i'm pleased with my intro to TT and have already started work on a layout
I see you had black tape under the front wheels as well. I had some on my Scotsman set and it was stopping the front wheels turning properly.
Did you hear any weird scratching noises from the coaches on the curves? Can you try running your set with the track included in the set without pinning it down. Hornby have said pinning the track down fixes the problem.
There's a horrible buzz from the motor at slow speed when using the included controller. The analogue power track has capacitors/noise reduction circuitry in it which causes problems if you put DCC in the loco. I guess that's why there is a DCC power track option, but they don't tell to why.
I found it impossible to connect the couplings on a curve, even fourth radius, the buffers touch before the coupling can connect properly.
Overall though I love my Scotsman set and I have the DCC sound version of the Easterner pre-ordered. Hopefully it won't be too long for that to arrive.
Most impressive, I also have some train models as well. All of them are HO Scale models 3 steam locomotives, 2 diesels, 15 or 18 freight cars, 4 or 5 passenger cars, and 2 caboose. I have most put away while I have 4 trains on display.
Very nice TT scale train. Excellent review Sam, thank you
Thank you Sam. Should have peaked in the tender too to see how the DCC fits etc.
Proof Sam can say nice things about Hornby when they do things worthy of nice things being said. This is a video to show people who think his brand is build on negative reviews and Hornby bashing. Looks good!
haha true! Not Hornby's biggest fan due to their actions, that's no secret, but I'll give them credit where it's due!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
A new video means entertainment for me
Awesome! Hope you enjoy it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Oh hi
Hi Sam, I'm pretty sure the whistle on your A4 is upside down, judging by photos and the image on the box
i don't think the trainset coaches are the same as the ones you can buy separately but might be wrong; bit pricey if they are! Great review and glad you're covering TT! I got the Scotsman set and quite impressed; They've released Flying Scotsman separately so hopefully you'll be reviewing that soon! ;)
I thought they were - I know the pullmans in the other set didn't have lighting - but I haven't heard that they've produced different/simpler coaches for this set?? Please let me know if you've heard otherwise!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I would be curious to see how these Hornby models look next to American ones, given how these are more accurately proportioned than the OO ones. One could then see the real size difference.
Ooooooh, so this is what you meant by soon Sam.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
haha yeah! Quite soon ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Good review.
I must say I'm quite tempted. Like most things there are pros and cons.
PROS:
- Can build a more extensive layout compared to OO. Also takes up less storage.
- The 'new' price is quite a bit cheaper than the OO equivalent models, comparable to second hand OO for locos and coaches, though not wagons. One of the advantages of it being online with no middleman.
- Accurate scale.
- To my eye the coupling system seems better than standard OO.
CONS:
- Currently a limited range. To be fair to Hornby by the time the 4th phase comes out (perhaps 2 years?) they'll be enough for a very decent first layout. I would like to see more small and mid sized locos in the pipe line. So far in the first 4 phases there is only the class 08 shunter, J94, GWR 5700 prairie tank and at Warley Simon Kohler mentioned a J50 to me (phase 5?). Just a matter of time though.
- No established second hand market. *
- Limited accessories at present. Hopefully people like Metcalf and the laser cut guys will get on board. Otherwise it's buy your own 3D printer.
- Personally I just prefer the size of OO. Maybe because it's what I'm used to. It's a question of do I prefer the advantage of a more extensive layout or being able to see the models themselves better?
- Not currently in the models shops. Whilst this does keep the price down it would be nice to see it in the flesh before buying, plus the model shops give lots of help and advice to customers.
*For Hornby though no secondhand market or rivals at present is great news. And a flourishing Hornby is good for the hobby.
In OO they miss out on a huge amount of sales to secondhand, not to mention rival companies. I only buy new OO if it's old stock at massive discounts from model shops. 90% of my collection is pre-owned. Hornby get very little of my cash.
Happy that you're reviewing the TT series, I have pre-ordered the Digital version of the Easterner, this summer so It looks like it will be a good value! I wish the Hornby US would add TT:120 series here so I don't have to pay the expensive shipping, but then I don't have to pay the VAT so it evens out I guess.
Hi Sam from Australia - I love your channel and reviews even though I model HO NSW. The whole TT thing seems to have opened up a can full of worms (or hornets) 🙂. It would be interesting to get your views on Charlie’s (Chadwick) review. Cheers
Thanks for your review Sam. What I will say is that you might be pleasantly surprised by N Gauge in terms of detail and quality. I compared the video footage of the coaches to a Graham Farish N Gauge Thompson coach and would say that the detailing of the N Gauge model is at least as good as the TT Mk1s, if not a bit better in some areas (particularly underframe detail). You might also be surprised by how consistently and smoothly good quality modern N Gauge locos run too.
Perhaps you could consider an even smaller N Gauge test-track/mini-layout in the future? I would highly recommend Kato unitrack to make life as easy as possible! 🙂
Not going to mention the train or scale, but really impressed with the quality of your reviews of late. The chapterisation, the very, very crisp photography, the in depth study at the individual items, very impressive. The transitions and speed of the pans is top notch. Always like watching your reviews even if not particularly interested in the product.
Good show old bean.
P.s, I'll renig on that: I am disappointed with the non flywheel 3 pole motor. Just having the hornby arnold and tillig tt: they are superlative runners. The tillig E77 puts most H0 models to shame with its detailing and running. The hornby arnold tt br58 has driving wheel suspension and diecast boiler, details and tender. They aren't cheap of course, but the British range just seems to smack a bit of half heartedness, even built down to a price, in the hope no one will notice. My tillig VT has moveable dropdown step plates between coaches, a complete set of add on buffer beam connectors, a complete set of separately fitted grab rails and wipers etc, with blackened fine flanged wheels and the like. I really loathe to use the term as theres absolutely nothing wrong with toy trains or the desire to own them, but that's what these remind me of. They're like premium products but from the days of triang.
I still like them, but just not enough to overshadow to offset the more expensive German equipment. I'd rather spend more and be genuinely impressed by the premium product. The hornby tt120 range is in no way even remotely comparable to the hornby arnold tt range (small though it is) and I'm not only a bit disappointed, but also it looks like the plucky British modellers may even be getting a bit short changed by the product :)
Bless you for that, really appreciate those kind words, thank you! Yes I think they could have improved the motor setup if they'd wanted to - tricky for sure, but those motors aren't that ideal are they... they run at light speed! Thanks very much for sharing,
Cheers,
Sam :)
Hello, I noticed that the gear wheels and bearings were dry on the locomotive when you looked at the mechanism, maybe a little oil would help with the smooth running of the loco and give you a better "crawl" result too, also, place a little oil on the coaches to help them to run smoothly too.
My Scotsmen set is equally impressive Sam, I am also very happy with it.
Watching your Flying Scotsman review I commented that as a lad in the late 50s I had a TT layout and used to use OO/HO trackside accessories and they looked ok. Seeing the OO loco beside the TT model now realise the scale totally different. I was of course very young at the time 😂
Decent review here Sam, from the looks of it a really nice set with a great looking A4 locomotive, it looks really good in the BR green with the late crest, tt isn’t something I’m going to be getting as I’m mainly a OO gauge modeller.
Thanks David - I agree, fantastic looking loco - but I don't blame you for sticking with OO!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I hope this scale takes off. My Dad has some N gauge diesels which run beautifully. I’d imagine big diesels will be good in this scale. Looking forward to seeing some shunting locos too!
So, a test of the real thing, let's see it... Price first : compared to N, GBP 194 for a set with tracks (including one set of points), transformator-regulator, one engine an three coaches, I can't find no exact equivalent in N scale, the Kato Glacier express (an electric locomotive, two coaches, tracks and controller) is at GBP 180. On a pricetag point of view, this is a good point for Hornby.
The rolling stock looks nice and well manufactured. the controller is a piece of sheet, but it can be useful while you are waiting for the delivery of the Gaugemaster one you have ordered to replace it. I'm not a fan of the tracks, but they are useable, looks nice and I hope they are sturdy enough to be used in real conditions.
For the engine, well, the tender-engine connection is laughable nowadays. The engine is superb, you really get your money back here, same for the coaches. For the rest, good mechanism overall, what we expect from Hornby. And more able to be open than anything from Heljan. Three poles motor, a coreless would have been better, but it's the one of the Peckett, so, acceptable, even if Hornby could have done better here. At least, the motor is not a useless piece of garbage like some of the ones they put inside some models which would have been great with a real motor (9F anyone ?). Dynamic qualities : runs fine, that's great. Fast runner but it's an express engine, you can live with it.
So, overall, it looks nice and it works fine. The negative points are the tender-engine connection and some points missing in the documentation. Not critical, but annoying.
As is, it's enough to convince me to not ditch Hornby from my idea of buying someday some TT rolling stock, the Q/P ratio is more than correct, you really have a level of detail not too low compared to OO, and a size not too less practical than N scale. Hornby had done the right thing by doing it full 1/120 scale, track and rolling stock, without any outdated compromises. The sole point that annoys me is them to force my hand by being the only retailer of their products... I would consider this while comparing to the German offer in this scale. For the track, that would be Tillig with ballast for me anyway, no need to argue...
Just to finish : the couplers are a Tillig design (far better than the Rapido for N Scale, and the buckle one in OO9 in my opinion) you can uncouple with any vertical-raising paddle-like decoupler. Or a strip of transparent plastic you slide between your tracks to form a buckle rounded upwards at the right height, seen on many RUclips videos : costs close to nothing, easy to manufactures and highly efficient. It's a permanent feature, its sole inconvenient...
Well, Hornby had taken everything they needs to have some success with this scale, and that would be great if they relaunch it for the UK market. Wait and see...
I’m really interested in this as I don’t have the space for an OO layout really, and I find N too small. I hope the other vendors produce more scenery items in TT scale to really make this viable.
Little tip in case you don’t know, if you decide to DCC this you need to replace the power track connector (like you do with OO) or the DCC is unreliable due to the capacitor in the power track connector :)
I really like this little set, definitely going to look into it :)
That sounds good Alan - you could probably make good use of the smaller size of TT then! Thanks for the tip, though I've never known the capacitor cause any unreliability in the past!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains it was something another channel called Simon’s shed had experienced with poor slow running on DCC and turned out wiring direct cured it. He was using the Hornby dcc controller though. Looking forward to more tt120 videos :)
I’m not sure what all the fuss is about with sprung buffers on small models. They’re pretty pointless for your layout.
Lights: look realistic when running
Openable smokebox doors: look real in a shed scene
Moving fans on diesels: realistic when running
Openable cab doors: look good in a depo scene
Sprung buffers: eerm…..uh…mmm
For those who can not grasp the size, TT is about halfway between HO and N in size (1:87, 1:120, 1:150). TT is the 2nd most popular size for modeling in central Europe (German, Austria, Switzerland, Czechia, Poland, etc.). The models in TT in this region are beautifully detailed and quite sharp to run (although I am an HO guy).
Thanks a lot for sharing Anthony, that's useful!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I haven't yet studied what's available in this scale but I can see ( me myself ) using it to develop a small OO12 layout based on my hobby, the isle of man
When my nephew gets older I want to build a small TT scale layout with him so he can run it at home. Since it’s small and cheaper then hornby OO than it’s perfect. I hope it will allow me and him to bond over a bit of modeling.
I am tempted to get the first set and some track to run my Hp products TT equipment. Ofcourse the HP is far heavier than these. The couplers appear to be a modded version of the HP products coupler so since i have tons (i swapped Micro trains N and HOn3 couplers on) i can easily test it.. they look extremely similar to.. i gotta get this track.
Plenty of track available with different styles from a number of manufacturers. Tillig advertise their turnouts as being flexible, but it appears to be in a limited way
The include the white particles and micro fibres in this scale too !
Ive been waiting for a proper tt reveiw!
Thank you! I hope you to enjoy it :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Excellent review Sam! Would love to see more of scale in future videos.
I love this Sam. And I love your Chanel. Hopefully going to do a train video one day
Can’t wait to see more tt reviews
I think Hornby would do well to keep prices on a small selection of TT sets, very keen indeed. That could attract newer folk and tempt OO long standers to try tt. Once roped in, a tacit commitment to the scale may set in, not least because of financial ‘buy-in’. If pricing runs away from the start or if H position this as premium, with high prices, like other reviewers here, I would have doubts as to its success. For me, it’s a good excuse to dip in but on a DCC basis which my oo stuff is not. Nicely reviewed so well done to you.
For the scale of the set TT:120, I think the finish is very good and by using the 3-foot rule you do not see the little rough areas as shown by magnification. I am not too sure about the couplings, they look a bit flimsy and one of the hooks stayed up until the loco moved. It is going to take a long time to get anywhere near what is available in OO. Martin (Thailand)
That is so awesome review sam
Thanks Justin! :D
I got that exact train set but my A4 has a missing buffer and the power track doesn’t work, already contacted Hornby for help.
TT scale seemed perfect for me as I've always loved this hobby but never had the space for a layout. Unfortunately I think I may have received the "Friday afternoon special", as my Easterner made a loud buzzing sound and would not even move until given about half throttle, after which it would jerk into action. I ran it in but it never got any better, and that in conjunction with the fact that the locomotive coupler was at an upward angle and would not connect to any of the included carriages sealed its fate. I'm quite saddened by this, as the detailing on the engine was beautiful, and the rolling stock and track seemed to be very high quality. Trying to decide whether I just was unlucky, or if Hornby has some sort of quality control problem.
It's the ideal scale really and doesn't appear compromised by it's diminutive size relative to OO. For someone starting out it could be the answer if space is limited whilst being rather more "finger friendly" for young digits too. Or, if you're more senior, still manageable for aging eyesight. Hornby really seem commuted to TT120 and I wish them success. However, let's see it in retailers please Hornby!
I like to see a series of TT Reviews on here soon. Sam's TT Trains should be the series I think, if you want to do that. I think it will be really good.
Looks a good set with quality better than expected for the smaller size. Great comprehensive review. Now that you have a wooden base, I think you should start a side project, maybe run by Chloe, to add in some scenery and village buildings etc., with of course a little farm!
Thanks Allan - yeah the quality and detail is surprisingly good with these!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
23:55 - Most of my older N gauge locomotives have 5-pole motors! (The newer ones tend to have coreless motors, though)
Thank youSam, they all ran better than expected. And no traction tyres, what a big relief...
One thing that bugged me most in the past is the 'not to scale' track and models in both OO and N gauge (UK).
As the correct O scale is too big in size and price, the correct scaled TT might be a nice alternative.
For UK TT is too close to N, while in ROW it is just in the middle.
As a 'Hornby exclusive' only though... No thanks... If other manufacturers and retailers could get on board... Maybe...
Ever fancy doing anything in 0Gauge Sam, bigger and the prices are now starting to be very good compared to what it used be.
Sure - I have an O gauge layout and I've done a good number of O gauge reviews!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
TT gauge track if I remember right, is also the track you use for HOn3 narrow gauge railway.
Never thought I’d say this but I’ve just bought my first Hornby TT set.
A very nice train. Ur so cool and I watched how u made ur own train, it's so cool how u made it. So where can I send my pics of my train layout to so I can show u. Keep being awesome 😎
Email in vid description
Thank you so much - and really glad you liked the locos I made! Feel free to email me your creations at samstrains@outlook.com
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, I was glad you went for the Easterner Set. Mine came the other day. So I was interested to see your impressions of it! I did notice a couple of issues - if curved track is not fixed down, then the coach wells scape against the sole bars! On very close inspection I noticed one or two spots of rust on the coupling hooks! I think TT:120 will be good for those wanting to create a representation of a real place. OO gauge reprentatiions of buildings have to be diminutive versions of the real life counterparts! However, I think OO is the best gauge. As regards the pricing issues you are always complaining about, this new TT:120 range does mean if you want a model of a particular loco and can't afford it in OO, then you've got a second string to your bow! Thanks for uploading.
TT isn't actually new to Hornby as they own the Arnold brand which makes TT and N scale models. Pretty nice set by the way!
Great video of a really nice model, it looks more realistic somehow. Thanks Sam.
Hi Sam, I would love to see you unbox some Roco loco's. I personally am a huge german train fan, and seeing as Roco works on hornby rails it wouldn't be impossible. Although its in H0 you've dealt with that before so that's nothing new. Otherwise a great video as always.
I'm running sometimes my Roco engines on Peco Setrack, and all my UK models, all brands, on Piko track. Hornby track is sold in France for HO Jouef models, so, not an issue, the norms are the same, and the Peco and Hornby tracks for OO are sized, in fact, as HO track for the spacing of the ties...
Roco also make quite pricey and very, very nice tt products
Sam, I would love for you to get some 009 gauge or n gauge trains aswell as maybe a t gauge track
I'd love that too! :D
@@SamsTrains you could put them on the same piece of wood as the tt track so it gets smaller the closer to the centre it goes
Hi Sam, Nice review, Yes very nice set, ok if you want to change from oo to TT, and make a new start I like it very much, can't wait to see what else they come up with, All the best Brian 😃
you can se the same type of couples on arnold webpage
and i belive that piko from germany has released couple of tt locos
whth the same couples but they name it tt short couples acording to nem specs.
i like the tt:120 loco and the coaches nice starter set you bought.
i like the tt1:120 scale due to it’s smaller size .
it is better than my 1:32 steam loco in size .😂😂
i am looking forward to more tt content.
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The couplers are the standard tillig product they've used for 30 years. Arnold tt generally sell with their n scale couplers
TT scale was originated by an American model railroader Harold something-or-other his company was called HP products TT scale was 1/10 of an inch to a foot making measurements easy and it was called that because it was tabletop. I remember a train shop in Port Charlotte who had a TT layout in the window. After the founder died most of the rolling stock was repurposed for HO scale narrow gauge. His line of trains did not do too well because it did not have the selection that HO scale had and it was twice as expensive. It is ironic that as the trains get smaller they double in price from the previous scale except for HO scale that is.
Weirdly, I'm looking forward to the tiny 0-6-0 shunters used on dockyards to get the TT:120 treatment, could be a real interesting test of engineering. Also would it be worth re-reviewing this set once a good amount of models have been made?
Totally agree!