I really like the scene at 7:20. What a line-up. And it looks so real! I think you should consider a small slice of scenery for your TT layout just to have a spot for some good shots like this.
Interesting! Thanks for the in-depth reviews, Sam. Was thinking about getting into British rail modeling next and your videos are always my go to for the info I’m looking for! Stay well!
6:46 This Famous Locomotive Flying Scotsman Is A Bit Like Gordon The Big Engine From Thomas The Tank Engine And Friends. Thanks Sam'sTrains Dude Mate. X
Hey Sam'sTrains. Fun Fact: Flying Scotsman is turning 100 years old, on February the 24th, on a Friday. Also, his second tender he uses is a corridor tender, in basic terms, is a tender used to get from the main part of the engine, to the coaches.
I was fortunate to see 4472 in Southeast Queensland Australia in 1989 with the NSW Railways 3801 which is a Streamlined Pacific. great experience and I do have the Hornby oo model with loco drive. Saw it again in 2007 at York, all pulled apart for a re-build. I think this TT model is great but I wish that Hornby would get rid of those fixed trailing trucks. You can see it in the video with the wheel on the drivers side sitting off the rail. I believe that most modeler's would prefer a working trailing truck than the way it is now. Their old 3mm scale Pacific had a working one. Great video as usual Sam and looking forward to the next one.
Great review, Sam and liking the A1 in TT. Yes, a little shunter and some smaller company wagons would be a great idea. 0-6-0 steam or diesel would be nice. Good to see they are putting some real effort into these locos so far and thank you for bringing them to us.
Thank you! And sure, it'd be great to see other manufacturers jump in! They're going to be more cautious than Hornby though... I don't think we'll see too much of that until TT is proved a success... but once it is, the others will definitely join in! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Sam I like this version of the Flying Scoot. The livery is crisp and the details for such a small scale is very good. I just the price wasn’t so high but it is just a sign of the times. I think Hornby is still the standard that other manufacturers have to aspire to. Hornby has had it’s problems of late but I think they will work through them. I just wish we had the same enthusiasm for 00 or HO trains you all have in Britain. If I were a younger man I’d move to your country. Great video looking forward to more of your videos.
Thanks Louis - yeah it's a pity about the price, as the value isn't nearly as good as in the set. haha I don't blame you for wanting to move here - we're so lucky with the models we get!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Fun fact: although there no images of it wearing this livery, Scotsman was once reported to have worn BR Passenger Blue for a short period of time during its career on BR
These really look good, the only visual letdown is the large flanges on the wheels! I really feel finerscale wheels would really just bring it up a notch! If they can do it in N gauge....
@@cirseltoo still think that the standard needs updating. Smaller flanges would still work on the same track as the current large flanges.... but look miles better. Like I said they did that exact same thing in N gauge already. Look at old Farish stock compared to modern stuff!
Cracking review again Sam. Our 1st reaction was wow, but then there seems to be so much sloppiness that we would return it pronto. Especially the outline around the name plate and that huge mishap with the paint at the back (or whatever it is) would drive us go mad immediately. And there are so many rather slapdash visual manufacturing defects :( That tape btw has the potential to drag on a pilot wheel or axle resulting in pauses in rotation in combination with the H's deformed curved TT:120 track (banking outwards)... Easily removed but still... As for motors..., as far as we have seen, all European continental TT brands have a 5-pole... All of them, even H's Arnold TT brand. So why not for H TT...? A question from our side Sam... Have you been able to contact H about that nasty geometry issue with the curves of H TT track...? Would like to see their reaction. It is said that Simon Kohler always responds, so that would be an interesting exercise...
Good points. The finish is perfectible, to say the least. And, for the UK market, you have N models with a better drivetrain, Dapol ones for instance. As I said, if you want TT settrack, go direct to Tillig, Hornby one is a complete joke.
@@Haymarket47 The 'good enough' mentality might work for some, but making a full circle with H TT makes ~365° instead of 360. Consequently, by correcting this by allowing some slack results in a ~2mm gap between the two connecting inner curved rails. Pardon me but geometry not mathematically correct is absolutely bonkers and unheard of. On top, the curved tracks bank outwards. The latter can be resolved by pinning down the tracks but it is a very poorly executed job. But having an incorrect geometry in the first place is simply atrociously idiotic.
Hi Sam, great to see your objective reviews of these new to the market products. You do seem to be a little more forgiving of paintwork problems than you used to be (the back of the tender on this, the lettering on the review of the last dapol loco). I wonder if there is a more scientific method of measuring tractive effort than does it have a metal running plate. What would be really useful for those of us trying to make layouts in a smaller space is maybe maximum gradient with 3 coaches?
I disagree with you Sam in relation to the motor. Kato, Atlas and others can manage a 5 pole skewed motor with flywheels in N scale and have been doing that for about 30 years. TT is considerably larger than N Scale, so there is no excuse especially with the price and a new range.
As a lad back in the 50s I had a TT set mounted on a very nice table. Now I seem to recall that even though TT was smaller for most trackside accessories the OO/HO items could be used.
Iv sent for the same one with sound fitted, quality control needs to get better for this price, I’m not sure what I exactly paid as I send for all the Pullman coaches and other stuff, spent a lot of money already, not received anything as of yet, hope mine look as good as i expected for the money.
Lovely model of Scotsman in original condition as Class A1: 180lb boiler, short travel valves, and first LNER livery. High boiler fittings (GNR loading gauge), and no bufferbeam cut-outs. Error by Hornby having the LNE coat of arms on the cabside though - that was done for the 1924 Wembley Exhibition, for which Scotsman was given a highly polished finish, brass-trimmed splashers, polished wheel rims and axle-ends, trailing truck and tender suspension. As late as 1928 when 4472 was used for the first 'Up' non-stop Flying Scotsman, the locomotive still sported the highly polished trim, although by now wearing '4472' on the cabside and just 'LNER' on her then new corridor tender. At that point she'd also gained long-travel valves, and cut-down boiler fittings to conform to the standard LNER loading gauge. So, either Hornby should have provided this, or given us the loco as presented here, but just with a small plate on the cabside, which would have represented her 'as built' condition.
Apart from a Trix Twin 3 rail set which I managed to blow up because I plugged the controller directly into the mains my early model railways were triang TT. At one stage I had about 50 locomotives and have dabled with most scales; currently have gauge 1 live steam; I am tempted my this latest contribution from Hornby. Your reviews are very thorough and slightly frightening for an 80 year old with poor nerves. I'll have to see how my finances work out. Thanks for your posts.
Got mine today and have to say I'm very happy with it. I think it compliments my OO A3s beautifully, at least until I can find time/space for a TT layout.
After years waiting for the re-introduction of TT, I am loving the new items, thank you Hornby. My only regret is it doesn't match my old 3mm scale but I can run both on my 12mm track.
Great video. I really like the look of TT. You seem a lot happier with TT now than you did in your last video regarding the track radius issues. Is 'Railroad' and 'Railway' quality a thing anymore? Will TT be all one level of quality rather than two ( as in OO) ? The range is being aimed a lot at newcomers so I think Hornby need to keep an eye on keeping TT at an affordable level...unlike the way the OO range is going....
A great review, have they done something truely well for tt. The Scotsman’s looks fantastic remembering how small it is, still staying with OO but hopefully Hornby will continue with new releases in the same high detail. All best Marc from Leighton Buzzard
So glad your reviewing the TT range sam, i know its not for everyone, especialy established modellers, but for Newbies like me who have limited space it looks amazing 👍
I have seen dozens and dozens of railway modellers, mostly older guys, reviewing TT (I'm amazed there is any Hornby TT left given that almost every RUclips channel has bought a set just to tell us they would never consider using it!) and acting like there is simply no market for it. I don't think a lot of these guys realize that for Millennials, the kind of space required for a 00 railway is an unaffordable luxury. Having a spare room is a pipe dream for a lot of people our age, let alone a spare room that is so spare it can be given over entirely to a hobby. I've gotten a little fed up with some channels acting baffled at the possibility that anyone might be interested in smaller layouts.
Thanks a lot Andrew - it sure is great for beginners, particularly if you're short on space... perfect! I don't agree with the RUclipsrs who say there's no market for it - I think there's a risk, and I haven't seen evidence that there is enough of a market for this for it to catch on... but the fact is that nobody knows for sure yet. The popularity of these videos suggests that there's a lot of interest in the scale. We'll have to see if they continue covering the scale or not ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@davidbarr9343 I'm looking at N scale, the loco detail isn't the same but you can create a really interesting layout in a small space and much as real modellers mock train sets as "things that get put away", Kato's unitrack offers the chance to make a really exciting railway that is easy to pack up if you can't permanently give space over to a hobby. It's actually interesting to me that everyone is rambling on about Hornby's marketing and yet they have all missed what seems like the most obvious issue to me. You can only get TT with a large express loco, but small layouts are most fun for shunting. Kids will get bored watching the Mallard go in circles, you need a little tank engine or diesel shunter.
@@garydougill7478 Sorry for delayed reply. I agree with what you posted. Hornby have a plan to expand the TT range and I would imagine smaller locomotives an shunters wil be included. However, I think that the expansion of the range will depend heavily on the sales of the introductory sets/accessories. N scale is great for people that have limited space as well. My partner would go mental if she thought that I was going to turn a bedroom into a Railway, that is why I have contented myself with n scale. TT looks promising but there is an issue with the track. I believe from what Hornby has stated that the issue is sorted when fixing the track to a baseboard but I have yet to see anyone on RUclips demonstrating this. For me the Jury is out on this matter.👍
Looks like it's decorated for the way she appeared when she was exhibited at the Empire Exhibition. Early non corridor tender also, so that's a different mold, but they can use the A4 mold to do a later "Flying Scotsman " I have a OO scale tender drive in the same markings.
I forgot to mention this. My daughter was in Leeds on an exchange student program many years back. The bus terminal there had a model train shop and she bought me an HO Flying Scotsman that was on display. Almost new, minus the box and other stuff. At last I am putting my layout together and this will be running on it for sure.
So for the same price near enough..as a 00 Gauge Railroad Flying Scotsman, you get a super detailed version in TT120 with Tender pickups, better Lining, and painted cab..think that's great value ... kudos to Hornby..👏
Hey Sam! I digging the TT 120 reviews. I know your thing is the locomotives and rolling stock, but I'm wondering if you are considering adding some scenery to your TT 120 layout. Maybe you could 3d print something. Just an idea. I enjoy your reviews.
Thank you!! There's no way for me to add much in the way of scenery to it at the moment as I'm storing it in a tight space... but maybe one day! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Would be really good if this scale takes off. Much better than N gauge but you still don't need much room to have a great extensive layout. The perfect compromise.
I'd be intrigued to see a kind of quality comparison between these Hornby models and RTR models from continental manufacturers such as Roco or Piko. Obviously you only model UK rail, but it seems to me like Hornby's models should be seen as part of a wider context.
My Favourite Locomotive.. Only issue I had faced with the OO scale was that of Weaker motor. I hope Hornby has solved that issue and has given better motors for TT locos.
Sam, Does the new TT120 “Flying Scotsman” have a front NEM Coupling to allow the locomotive to run Tender-First hauling stock? Is it just me, but does the Tender lining not look overscale compared to the Boiler lining? Seems to stand out much more greatly than it should.
I think the Flying Scotsman is probably my fave British locomotive. If I were going to get started on OO scale, I’d look for a good, high-quality model of this loco. I would have put figures in the cab for the engineer and fireman; can’t have the loco wandering the layout with no one at the controls now, can I? 🤭
Funny thing, I prefer my locos to be smoother in reverse than forward as the reverse is what is needed for coupling. It looks like Hornby are doing a pretty decent job of the mechanisms in the TT:120 range. Looks like quite a decent loco. If this level of quality keeps up in the range then TT:120 could be a good option for people who do not have room for a HA/OO scalle layout. I hope a couple of other manufacturers start getting on board to introduce some competition.
haha that's a really good observation actually - I love it!! Yeah the mechanisms are promising - and I'm sure they'll get better at them as they design more! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Sam. Excellent review, thank you. Any chance you could do a side by side comparison with Dapol’s N gauge? Your comments often reference OO but I’m wondering if N might be a better bench mark?
Great review. That mold line is unacceptable, quick rub with some emery paper before painting would have removed that. I think these locos don't have a front NEM pocket so you can't fit a coupling at the front. Is that correct? I also read that there is an easy fix with the curves that come out of the factory too tight. A simple twist or flex outwards frees the rails from the sleepers, restores the correct geometry and means they sit flat. Perhaps in your next TT review you could test that theory?
I think you are being too generous. American Z Line locomotives come with a can motor, dual flywheels, working lights, working ditch lights, & also come DCC ready. And that’s Z scale. No excuse for TT:120 not having better technology in it.
My opinion too. I can compare with continental, US and Japanese N models, where you have an overall better quality. Even UK N by Dapol or Graham Farish looks better and have an overall better finish. I'm expecting two Dapol N gauge steam engine models next week (9F and Britannia, I bough them in this scale because their OO equivalents by Hornby are... perfectible, let's say. And Dapol also have the BoB class incoming), and I'm expecting a better quality of both of them than this model.
Small diesel shunter? There's a Class 08 that's come out at the same time that should fit what you're lookin for. I do wonder how much of a market there is for 3D printed kits at this scale, since it is essentially a "new" market. Maybe you could adapt some of your existing models to print at this scale if you can work out the couplings?
The trailing bogie, right-hand wheel, doesn't seem to touch the track, where the left-hand wheel does. And the scale of the track looks enormous when compared to the wheels.
Hi Sam, I like your track set up and would like to make one. I have bought a Flying Scotsman set and will expand down the line. What are measurements for your set up there? What extra track would I need? Great reviews, cheers from New Zealand.
Quality control issues aren’t really what you need when starting a brand new range. I’ll hang on for reviews of the 08 shunter before I decide to purchase. I also want to see how Hornby rolling stock copes with Peco track.
Ok so when you said that there is joining line on the second band I had to look for 3 minutes because how well it was hidden. But man, even in out of focus you can easily see the molding line.
Hi Sam, did you resolve the 'curve dilemma'? It appeared too many pieces were required for a circle - 12. It seemed that `` or even 10 may be correct on this basis?
I've got the Scotsman set and was tempted with this as their are a few subtle differences between the models (cab height etc). They've also just released the Mallard!
About I mentioned the different size curves Bachmann and Atlas make, Atlas also makes flex track in N gauge, I've got a couple of pieces of N scale flex track, maybe you should take some measurements of the area inside the TT scale circuits and use some flex track for making the N scale circuits
Sadly still no peek at the insides of the tender 😞 . Now that you have new DCC controller, it will be interesting to have a video on chipping one of the TT locos...
A comparison with the Dapol N scale model of the same engine would be interesting... The Dapol model is sold at the same price. First impression overall, this engine seems to be manufactured on the scroogy side. As is, for my own, I won't pay over GBP125 for her due to the lack of die cast and the little mishaps on manufacture. The Dapol N model looks better finished on the pictures I have seen. And the Hornby model has a wonky trailing axle on your view, the starboard wheel is lifted above the track, while the port one is in place. Track or axle problem ? If you can check that, that would be nice. Same mechanism, correct but not above that. First time I see that on a model engine : a wobbly rear driving axle... Anyway, the dynamic qualities are acceptable. For me, the model is overall acceptable, but better can be done for the price. A direct comparison with the Dapol N scale model would be interesting.
Having one of these and 17 Dapol A3s I'm enjoying the TT. My Hornby A1 also appears to have a wobbly axle, but it is actually the paint that is off centre by about a third of a millimetre. Dapol's A3 is a lot noisier than the Hornby one as the motor is in the tender and drives the loco through a driveshaft.
You know, the more I think about it, the more I suspect if I was starting out in model railways I'd probably go for TT. The prices, if you are in the TT club, are pretty reasonable, the detail is much closer to OO than N, I need to see a 66, 08 and maybe a Pannier/Prairie/Jinty if they do one to make up my mind, then I just might consider (dum dum dum) changing gauges? Yikes.
I have to say, coming from N Gauge, I'm a little underwhelmed by the mechanism of the engine, I've got various Farish engines which perform better at slow speed than the TT Scotsman, drawbar connections which are far tidier and separately fitted buffers to add! I think a good comparison to what TT offers is to look at what N offers in relation.
I have vintage BR01s and 52s by Minitrix and many others, they will positively crawl both ways, with lights, some metal in the bodies, not bad for fifty plus years old!
Excellent review. I will admit, though, my main interest in TT is seeing greater availability of track and mechanism parts for some HO scale 3' 6" gauge machinations I've been contemplating... ;)
Has there been a 'Flying Scotsman' loco that comes with 2 tenders, as thats how we know this iconic engine? Can't believe she turns a CENTURY old this year!! 😮
cant imagine there will be it only ever ran with one tender in service. only ran with the second tender for something like 5 years in preservation. since most people who want a FS will be modelling steam era, what would be the point of a post steam era FS model?
Hi Sam. Just a reminder: The Scotsman features, not The Flying Scotsman, but Blink Bonny (where on earth did that name come from?); there are one or two subtle differences besides the name.
Seems to run better than the blink Bonny set version I have, but that could be because your track is laid properly rather than just on a table like me 😂
Notice when describing the mechanism it also has no flanges. I think the problem is the A1/A3/A4s did not have a separate trailing truck, the trailing axle was mounted in the mainframe and used side to side play to negotiate curves. This could not be modeled in OO/TT, so in both instances, the trailing wheels have no flanges, and are made to ride slightly above the rail, as you pointed out.
You have been spoilt Sam, many of us remember HD and Triang and stuff upto the 2000’s that in OO didn’t have half of this detail! The technical side on TT 120 is impressive turned brass bearings, spring loaded pick up connectors, there are still OO big players who don’t fit any bearings! I’m loving my TT 120 experience and it’s not just Hornby, I have Arnold, Piko a bit of a disaster with a Tillig loco, but a Roco one on the way as we speak. I am staggered by the quality of Hornby’s TT 120 range especially when you do the price check with continental TT120, pretty much I paid same for a single Diesel Electric from Piko as the complete Easterner set. The sound decoder was same again and 3 months later I am still waiting at least with Hornby they don’t take the money until they are ready to send it out! Something you might look at is the general rule that it is more costly to make things smaller so in that sense it’s all looking pretty good. The sets though are jaw droopingly good value. Oh and you shouldn’t believe everything on the internet, the track geometry is perfect but… and it’s not a perfect situation.. in manufacturing some curved pieces have tightened up, a gentle flex of the track cures this, since Hornby were made aware of this they are on it at production level. I know you have been the victim of nasty comments in the past so I know you will appreciate some of the appalling abuse aimed at TT120 and those that have chosen to adopt this new (to UK) and exciting opportunity to get into or back into a fantastic hobby. You really need a bigger board… TT 120 will pull you in 😁
Very interested in TT - I have a very long (three car length) garage which is my future layout space - by the time I'm making it I think I will go with TT just for the extra scale length. By then there should be lots more rolling stock choice too.
If I started again from the beginning I would definitely go with N gauge because of the size and the huge range from so many different manufacturers and I can still get sound fitted locomotives. Hornby TT scale is new and so you don't have any real choice, unless you go to continental TT. I am going to stay with HO as I have way too much invested into it to change down to N gauge.
GREAT REVIEW! Keep up the good work Sam. The model looks great. I have a question, do you play with your models, or do you leave them on shelf’s for looks?
Thank you!! I work with my models every day for RUclips, so I get my fill of the models during filming! Yes they stay on their shelves the rest of the time! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam, just seen a video that MARKLIN are releasing there own model of Flying Scotsman in HO scale! Please, please make a comparison of this model compared to the latest Hornby one. That would be very interesting indeed.
That's a good spot! I think it's because those coal guards are separate parts, so there are gaps between it and the tender body! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
This year and this month Flying Scotsman turns 100 years old.
In 6 days time actually.
Yep on the 24th of Feb
@@trainsacrossthenorth I’ll be doing a Flying Scotsman themed live stream then to celebrate.
Turns 100 years on my Birthday the 23rd
@@gilbertporter4992 isnt scotsmans birthday the 24th?
I really like the scene at 7:20. What a line-up. And it looks so real! I think you should consider a small slice of scenery for your TT layout just to have a spot for some good shots like this.
Thank you! Yes I am thinking about doing that!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Just had mine delivered today and I can't get over how detailed it is for its size!
The video model looks wonderful!
I agree - it's looks fantastic for the scale doesn't it?? :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Interesting! Thanks for the in-depth reviews, Sam. Was thinking about getting into British rail modeling next and your videos are always my go to for the info I’m looking for! Stay well!
It's a pleasure - that's really lovely to hear! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
6:46 This Famous Locomotive Flying Scotsman Is A Bit Like Gordon The Big Engine From Thomas The Tank Engine And Friends. Thanks Sam'sTrains Dude Mate. X
Hey Sam'sTrains. Fun Fact: Flying Scotsman is turning 100 years old, on February the 24th, on a Friday. Also, his second tender he uses is a corridor tender, in basic terms, is a tender used to get from the main part of the engine, to the coaches.
Yeah absolutely - it's amazing that she's been around for 100 years!!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I was fortunate to see 4472 in Southeast Queensland Australia in 1989 with the NSW Railways 3801 which is a Streamlined Pacific. great experience and I do have the Hornby oo model with loco drive. Saw it again in 2007 at York, all pulled apart for a re-build.
I think this TT model is great but I wish that Hornby would get rid of those fixed trailing trucks. You can see it in the video with the wheel on the drivers side sitting off the rail.
I believe that most modeler's would prefer a working trailing truck than the way it is now. Their old 3mm scale Pacific had a working one.
Great video as usual Sam and looking forward to the next one.
Absolutely in love with our A1 TT. Can't wait to get more stuff.
Glad to hear that! It's wonderful isn't it? :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Great review, Sam and liking the A1 in TT. Yes, a little shunter and some smaller company wagons would be a great idea. 0-6-0 steam or diesel would be nice. Good to see they are putting some real effort into these locos so far and thank you for bringing them to us.
Thanks a lot Ray - those are what I'm really looking forward to seeing now!!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Such an interesting scale this is, I hope that they make more and that other companies latch on.
There needs to be at least one other manufacture producing locos just to keep Hornby honest with pricing and quality.
@@stuartjohnellis well there are some on the continent...
Thank you! And sure, it'd be great to see other manufacturers jump in! They're going to be more cautious than Hornby though... I don't think we'll see too much of that until TT is proved a success... but once it is, the others will definitely join in!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
100 years of history,the mighty,no the legend will live on forever
Sam I like this version of the Flying Scoot. The livery is crisp and the details for such a small scale is very good. I just the price wasn’t so high but it is just a sign of the times. I think Hornby is still the standard that other manufacturers have to aspire to. Hornby has had it’s problems of late but I think they will work through them. I just wish we had the same enthusiasm for 00 or HO trains you all have in Britain. If I were a younger man I’d move to your country. Great video looking forward to more of your videos.
Thanks Louis - yeah it's a pity about the price, as the value isn't nearly as good as in the set. haha I don't blame you for wanting to move here - we're so lucky with the models we get!!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Fun fact: although there no images of it wearing this livery, Scotsman was once reported to have worn BR Passenger Blue for a short period of time during its career on BR
These really look good, the only visual letdown is the large flanges on the wheels! I really feel finerscale wheels would really just bring it up a notch! If they can do it in N gauge....
The wheelsets are to International TT standards. This stuff is selling across Europe- reviews are coming in from Germany and Poland...
@@cirseltoo still think that the standard needs updating. Smaller flanges would still work on the same track as the current large flanges.... but look miles better. Like I said they did that exact same thing in N gauge already. Look at old Farish stock compared to modern stuff!
@@Decrepit_biker It is an international scale so it isn't up to you or me or even Hornby.
Cracking review again Sam. Our 1st reaction was wow, but then there seems to be so much sloppiness that we would return it pronto. Especially the outline around the name plate and that huge mishap with the paint at the back (or whatever it is) would drive us go mad immediately. And there are so many rather slapdash visual manufacturing defects :( That tape btw has the potential to drag on a pilot wheel or axle resulting in pauses in rotation in combination with the H's deformed curved TT:120 track (banking outwards)... Easily removed but still...
As for motors..., as far as we have seen, all European continental TT brands have a 5-pole... All of them, even H's Arnold TT brand. So why not for H TT...?
A question from our side Sam... Have you been able to contact H about that nasty geometry issue with the curves of H TT track...? Would like to see their reaction. It is said that Simon Kohler always responds, so that would be an interesting exercise...
Good points. The finish is perfectible, to say the least. And, for the UK market, you have N models with a better drivetrain, Dapol ones for instance.
As I said, if you want TT settrack, go direct to Tillig, Hornby one is a complete joke.
@@Haymarket47 The 'good enough' mentality might work for some, but making a full circle with H TT makes ~365° instead of 360. Consequently, by correcting this by allowing some slack results in a ~2mm gap between the two connecting inner curved rails. Pardon me but geometry not mathematically correct is absolutely bonkers and unheard of. On top, the curved tracks bank outwards. The latter can be resolved by pinning down the tracks but it is a very poorly executed job. But having an incorrect geometry in the first place is simply atrociously idiotic.
Hi Sam, great to see your objective reviews of these new to the market products. You do seem to be a little more forgiving of paintwork problems than you used to be (the back of the tender on this, the lettering on the review of the last dapol loco). I wonder if there is a more scientific method of measuring tractive effort than does it have a metal running plate. What would be really useful for those of us trying to make layouts in a smaller space is maybe maximum gradient with 3 coaches?
I disagree with you Sam in relation to the motor. Kato, Atlas and others can manage a 5 pole skewed motor with flywheels in N scale and have been doing that for about 30 years. TT is considerably larger than N Scale, so there is no excuse especially with the price and a new range.
As a lad back in the 50s I had a TT set mounted on a very nice table. Now I seem to recall that even though TT was smaller for most trackside accessories the OO/HO items could be used.
Iv sent for the same one with sound fitted, quality control needs to get better for this price, I’m not sure what I exactly paid as I send for all the Pullman coaches and other stuff, spent a lot of money already, not received anything as of yet, hope mine look as good as i expected for the money.
Lovely model of Scotsman in original condition as Class A1: 180lb boiler, short travel valves, and first LNER livery. High boiler fittings (GNR loading gauge), and no bufferbeam cut-outs.
Error by Hornby having the LNE coat of arms on the cabside though - that was done for the 1924 Wembley Exhibition, for which Scotsman was given a highly polished finish, brass-trimmed splashers, polished wheel rims and axle-ends, trailing truck and tender suspension. As late as 1928 when 4472 was used for the first 'Up' non-stop Flying Scotsman, the locomotive still sported the highly polished trim, although by now wearing '4472' on the cabside and just 'LNER' on her then new corridor tender. At that point she'd also gained long-travel valves, and cut-down boiler fittings to conform to the standard LNER loading gauge.
So, either Hornby should have provided this, or given us the loco as presented here, but just with a small plate on the cabside, which would have represented her 'as built' condition.
This video arrived faster then I expected
Apart from a Trix Twin 3 rail set which I managed to blow up because I plugged the controller directly into the mains my early model railways were triang TT. At one stage I had about 50 locomotives and have dabled with most scales; currently have gauge 1 live steam; I am tempted my this latest contribution from Hornby. Your reviews are very thorough and slightly frightening for an 80 year old with poor nerves. I'll have to see how my finances work out. Thanks for your posts.
Got mine today and have to say I'm very happy with it. I think it compliments my OO A3s beautifully, at least until I can find time/space for a TT layout.
After years waiting for the re-introduction of TT, I am loving the new items, thank you Hornby. My only regret is it doesn't match my old 3mm scale but I can run both on my 12mm track.
That's great to hear Peter - they are fantastic aren't they?? Ahh at least you can still run both!!
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Great video. I really like the look of TT.
You seem a lot happier with TT now than you did in your last video regarding the track radius issues.
Is 'Railroad' and 'Railway' quality a thing anymore? Will TT be all one level of quality rather than two ( as in OO) ?
The range is being aimed a lot at newcomers so I think Hornby need to keep an eye on keeping TT at an affordable level...unlike the way the OO range is going....
A great review, have they done something truely well for tt. The Scotsman’s looks fantastic remembering how small it is, still staying with OO but hopefully Hornby will continue with new releases in the same high detail. All best Marc from Leighton Buzzard
Absolutely - it's a really lovely model isn't it? And really not much less detailed than their OO version!
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So glad your reviewing the TT range sam, i know its not for everyone, especialy established modellers, but for Newbies like me who have limited space it looks amazing 👍
I have seen dozens and dozens of railway modellers, mostly older guys, reviewing TT (I'm amazed there is any Hornby TT left given that almost every RUclips channel has bought a set just to tell us they would never consider using it!) and acting like there is simply no market for it.
I don't think a lot of these guys realize that for Millennials, the kind of space required for a 00 railway is an unaffordable luxury. Having a spare room is a pipe dream for a lot of people our age, let alone a spare room that is so spare it can be given over entirely to a hobby.
I've gotten a little fed up with some channels acting baffled at the possibility that anyone might be interested in smaller layouts.
Thanks a lot Andrew - it sure is great for beginners, particularly if you're short on space... perfect! I don't agree with the RUclipsrs who say there's no market for it - I think there's a risk, and I haven't seen evidence that there is enough of a market for this for it to catch on... but the fact is that nobody knows for sure yet. The popularity of these videos suggests that there's a lot of interest in the scale. We'll have to see if they continue covering the scale or not ;)
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@@garydougill7478 I am an oldie (64) but I totally agree with you. This scale seems to be perfect for those who have limited space.
@@davidbarr9343 I'm looking at N scale, the loco detail isn't the same but you can create a really interesting layout in a small space and much as real modellers mock train sets as "things that get put away", Kato's unitrack offers the chance to make a really exciting railway that is easy to pack up if you can't permanently give space over to a hobby.
It's actually interesting to me that everyone is rambling on about Hornby's marketing and yet they have all missed what seems like the most obvious issue to me. You can only get TT with a large express loco, but small layouts are most fun for shunting. Kids will get bored watching the Mallard go in circles, you need a little tank engine or diesel shunter.
@@garydougill7478 Sorry for delayed reply. I agree with what you posted. Hornby have a plan to expand the TT range and I would imagine smaller locomotives an shunters wil be included. However, I think that the expansion of the range will depend heavily on the sales of the introductory sets/accessories. N scale is great for people that have limited space as well. My partner would go mental if she thought that I was going to turn a bedroom into a Railway, that is why I have contented myself with n scale. TT looks promising but there is an issue with the track. I believe from what Hornby has stated that the issue is sorted when fixing the track to a baseboard but I have yet to see anyone on RUclips demonstrating this. For me the Jury is out on this matter.👍
Love to see you comparing it in size next to an OO locomotive. Looks nice to me, but interesting to view your detailed critique.
Looks like it's decorated for the way she appeared when she was exhibited at the Empire Exhibition. Early non corridor tender also, so that's a different mold, but they can use the A4 mold to do a later "Flying Scotsman "
I have a OO scale tender drive in the same markings.
I forgot to mention this. My daughter was in Leeds on an exchange student program many years back. The bus terminal there had a model train shop and she bought me an HO Flying Scotsman that was on display. Almost new, minus the box and other stuff. At last I am putting my layout together and this will be running on it for sure.
Hi Sam, today I’ve visited the Great Central Railway for the first time and I’ve had a great day.
Good looking locomotive here Sam, nice to see it with the original tender but to be honest I think the corridor tender is the overall best tender.
Thanks David - yeah I quite like the corridor one too!!
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The Pullmans with lights are out too, you should get one, they are very nice and surprisingly free running.
Thanks again Sam. Please keep up your great work!
So for the same price near enough..as a 00 Gauge Railroad Flying Scotsman, you get a super detailed version in TT120 with Tender pickups, better Lining, and painted cab..think that's great value ... kudos to Hornby..👏
Hey Sam! I digging the TT 120 reviews. I know your thing is the locomotives and rolling stock, but I'm wondering if you are considering adding some scenery to your TT 120 layout. Maybe you could 3d print something. Just an idea. I enjoy your reviews.
Thank you!! There's no way for me to add much in the way of scenery to it at the moment as I'm storing it in a tight space... but maybe one day! :D
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Would be really good if this scale takes off. Much better than N gauge but you still don't need much room to have a great extensive layout. The perfect compromise.
Great review. The marks on the back of the tender look very much like finger or thumb prints.
Was wondering if anyone else thought that was surprised he hadn't said it himself
I like how you change how your hand looks in the thumbnail because of the side of the locomotive
Ace review as usual Sam. I might be moving house soon and I'm waiting on TTs potential. I might have to downsize from 00. Regards Terry.
I'd be intrigued to see a kind of quality comparison between these Hornby models and RTR models from continental manufacturers such as Roco or Piko. Obviously you only model UK rail, but it seems to me like Hornby's models should be seen as part of a wider context.
0:48 "The most famous A1"
And somewhere on Sodor, Gordon snorts indignantly.
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My Favourite Locomotive.. Only issue I had faced with the OO scale was that of Weaker motor. I hope Hornby has solved that issue and has given better motors for TT locos.
Sam, Does the new TT120 “Flying Scotsman” have a front NEM Coupling to allow the locomotive to run Tender-First hauling stock?
Is it just me, but does the Tender lining not look overscale compared to the Boiler lining? Seems to stand out much more greatly than it should.
I think the Flying Scotsman is probably my fave British locomotive. If I were going to get started on OO scale, I’d look for a good, high-quality model of this loco. I would have put figures in the cab for the engineer and fireman; can’t have the loco wandering the layout with no one at the controls now, can I? 🤭
I can't wait to see what hornby have in store for the TT range with some new models.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Me too - it's very exciting isn't it?? :D
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Funny thing, I prefer my locos to be smoother in reverse than forward as the reverse is what is needed for coupling. It looks like Hornby are doing a pretty decent job of the mechanisms in the TT:120 range. Looks like quite a decent loco.
If this level of quality keeps up in the range then TT:120 could be a good option for people who do not have room for a HA/OO scalle layout. I hope a couple of other manufacturers start getting on board to introduce some competition.
haha that's a really good observation actually - I love it!! Yeah the mechanisms are promising - and I'm sure they'll get better at them as they design more!
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Great review as always. Looks like a decent model. Saw an LMS Jubilee on the mainline today.
Thanks a lot my friend! Ahh that must have been amazing - hope you had fun! :D
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Great video Sam!
do you have any plans on detailing up your layout or do you plan to keep it as it is?
Sam. Excellent review, thank you.
Any chance you could do a side by side comparison with Dapol’s N gauge? Your comments often reference OO but I’m wondering if N might be a better bench mark?
Great Review Sam. maybe you will need to add a expansion on your TT board for a shunting yard for the additional TT range.
What is the best tender engine you’ve got? I would like to get a 00 tender engine but I’m not sure what to get.(William aged 8 ) thanks.
Beautiful loco and great detail for the scale! Great video sam
I agree Jack - they did great on this one!! :D
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Great review. That mold line is unacceptable, quick rub with some emery paper before painting would have removed that.
I think these locos don't have a front NEM pocket so you can't fit a coupling at the front. Is that correct?
I also read that there is an easy fix with the curves that come out of the factory too tight. A simple twist or flex outwards frees the rails from the sleepers, restores the correct geometry and means they sit flat. Perhaps in your next TT review you could test that theory?
I think you are being too generous. American Z Line locomotives come with a can motor, dual flywheels, working lights, working ditch lights, & also come DCC ready. And that’s Z scale. No excuse for TT:120 not having better technology in it.
My opinion too. I can compare with continental, US and Japanese N models, where you have an overall better quality. Even UK N by Dapol or Graham Farish looks better and have an overall better finish. I'm expecting two Dapol N gauge steam engine models next week (9F and Britannia, I bough them in this scale because their OO equivalents by Hornby are... perfectible, let's say. And Dapol also have the BoB class incoming), and I'm expecting a better quality of both of them than this model.
Noticed one of the safety valves at 13:53 looks a bit out of alignment.
Small diesel shunter? There's a Class 08 that's come out at the same time that should fit what you're lookin for.
I do wonder how much of a market there is for 3D printed kits at this scale, since it is essentially a "new" market. Maybe you could adapt some of your existing models to print at this scale if you can work out the couplings?
The trailing bogie, right-hand wheel, doesn't seem to touch the track, where the left-hand wheel does. And the scale of the track looks enormous when compared to the wheels.
Hatton's O gauge A3 locos are all plastic bodies too. Their weight is in the motor block so the Hornby TT120 is in good company.
Hi Sam, I like your track set up and would like to make one. I have bought a Flying Scotsman set and will expand down the line. What are measurements for your set up there? What extra track would I need? Great reviews, cheers from New Zealand.
Hi Sam, Great video review and unboxing of the Hornby steam engine. It looks great and the color scheme is awesome! 😀
Thank you!! Yeah they really did a grand job with this!! :D
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Quality control issues aren’t really what you need when starting a brand new range. I’ll hang on for reviews of the 08 shunter before I decide to purchase. I also want to see how Hornby rolling stock copes with Peco track.
Ok so when you said that there is joining line on the second band I had to look for 3 minutes because how well it was hidden. But man, even in out of focus you can easily see the molding line.
Hi Sam, did you resolve the 'curve dilemma'?
It appeared too many pieces were required for a circle - 12. It seemed that `` or even 10 may be correct on this basis?
I've got the Scotsman set and was tempted with this as their are a few subtle differences between the models (cab height etc). They've also just released the Mallard!
Ahh interesting! And Mallard looks amazing - the A4 is truly great in TT!
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I think this TT range so far from all the various reviews I have seen has been a tad underwhelming. Great review as always Sam :)
About I mentioned the different size curves Bachmann and Atlas make, Atlas also makes flex track in N gauge, I've got a couple of pieces of N scale flex track, maybe you should take some measurements of the area inside the TT scale circuits and use some flex track for making the N scale circuits
Is it possible to attach a coupling to the front bogie? Or failing that probability of successfully attaching one? 👍
Now that you have a portable layout are you going to do some scenery on it?
Hi Sam.
At 11mins 10secs, the handrail at the front of the boiler has its green paint overlapping the black area of the boiler. 🤔
Paul.
Sadly still no peek at the insides of the tender 😞 . Now that you have new DCC controller, it will be interesting to have a video on chipping one of the TT locos...
Awesome video today Sam beautiful locomotive
Hey Sam are you thinking of pre ordering a Bachman Ryan because I’m thinking of getting one for myself and I’m wondering if it’s a good model
A comparison with the Dapol N scale model of the same engine would be interesting... The Dapol model is sold at the same price.
First impression overall, this engine seems to be manufactured on the scroogy side. As is, for my own, I won't pay over GBP125 for her due to the lack of die cast and the little mishaps on manufacture. The Dapol N model looks better finished on the pictures I have seen. And the Hornby model has a wonky trailing axle on your view, the starboard wheel is lifted above the track, while the port one is in place. Track or axle problem ? If you can check that, that would be nice.
Same mechanism, correct but not above that. First time I see that on a model engine : a wobbly rear driving axle... Anyway, the dynamic qualities are acceptable.
For me, the model is overall acceptable, but better can be done for the price. A direct comparison with the Dapol N scale model would be interesting.
Having one of these and 17 Dapol A3s I'm enjoying the TT. My Hornby A1 also appears to have a wobbly axle, but it is actually the paint that is off centre by about a third of a millimetre. Dapol's A3 is a lot noisier than the Hornby one as the motor is in the tender and drives the loco through a driveshaft.
You know, the more I think about it, the more I suspect if I was starting out in model railways I'd probably go for TT.
The prices, if you are in the TT club, are pretty reasonable, the detail is much closer to OO than N, I need to see a 66, 08 and maybe a Pannier/Prairie/Jinty if they do one to make up my mind, then I just might consider (dum dum dum) changing gauges? Yikes.
I have to say, coming from N Gauge, I'm a little underwhelmed by the mechanism of the engine, I've got various Farish engines which perform better at slow speed than the TT Scotsman, drawbar connections which are far tidier and separately fitted buffers to add!
I think a good comparison to what TT offers is to look at what N offers in relation.
I have vintage BR01s and 52s by Minitrix and many others, they will positively crawl both ways, with lights, some metal in the bodies, not bad for fifty plus years old!
On this day, 100 years ago, the Flying Scotsman was built by the Doncaster Works. Happy 100th birthday/anniversary to the Flying Scotsman!!!
Excellent review. I will admit, though, my main interest in TT is seeing greater availability of track and mechanism parts for some HO scale 3' 6" gauge machinations I've been contemplating... ;)
Very interesting sam! It's such lovely a good thing one the flying scotsman buddy!
Thanks Llesh - yeah it's lovely isn't it?? :D
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Gotta say it looks beautiful - looking forward to the review 😎
Thanks a lot Michael, hope you enjoy it! :D
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@@SamsTrains - Thanks Sam.
Has there been a 'Flying Scotsman' loco that comes with 2 tenders, as thats how we know this iconic engine?
Can't believe she turns a CENTURY old this year!! 😮
cant imagine there will be
it only ever ran with one tender in service.
only ran with the second tender for something like 5 years in preservation.
since most people who want a FS will be modelling steam era, what would be the point of a post steam era FS model?
Hornby changed the terms of TT:120 Club membership on 1st February. Members joining now do not get the 15% discount.
A question Sam. Do you always fit the accessories?
Nice review Sam. Curious if TT is available in the USA?
Great review Sam!
Will you be adding other layout details such as stations and buildings or terrain?
Hi Sam. Just a reminder: The Scotsman features, not The Flying Scotsman, but Blink Bonny (where on earth did that name come from?); there are one or two subtle differences besides the name.
16:17 - What is the strange "stain" under the L on the tender .. oil maybe? Noticed it when unboxing as well.
Seems to run better than the blink Bonny set version I have, but that could be because your track is laid properly rather than just on a table like me 😂
Awesome video sam and I am very surprised that the flying Scotsman is turning 100 years old
Is that back right wheel not on the rail?
hi Sam, awesome review, did you notice the rear right wheel was off the track? is this meant to be the case for curve negotiation or not?
Notice when describing the mechanism it also has no flanges. I think the problem is the A1/A3/A4s did not have a separate trailing truck, the trailing axle was mounted in the mainframe and used side to side play to negotiate curves.
This could not be modeled in OO/TT, so in both instances, the trailing wheels have no flanges, and are made to ride slightly above the rail, as you pointed out.
I would like to know if any of the Berliner Bahnen TT Loco’s will run properly on the Hornby TT track, could you test one for all us TT newbies ?
So far hornby has been doing good with tt besides the trackage, how long they can keep this up is the question
You have been spoilt Sam, many of us remember HD and Triang and stuff upto the 2000’s that in OO didn’t have half of this detail! The technical side on TT 120 is impressive turned brass bearings, spring loaded pick up connectors, there are still OO big players who don’t fit any bearings! I’m loving my TT 120 experience and it’s not just Hornby, I have Arnold, Piko a bit of a disaster with a Tillig loco, but a Roco one on the way as we speak. I am staggered by the quality of Hornby’s TT 120 range especially when you do the price check with continental TT120, pretty much I paid same for a single Diesel Electric from Piko as the complete Easterner set. The sound decoder was same again and 3 months later I am still waiting at least with Hornby they don’t take the money until they are ready to send it out! Something you might look at is the general rule that it is more costly to make things smaller so in that sense it’s all looking pretty good. The sets though are jaw droopingly good value. Oh and you shouldn’t believe everything on the internet, the track geometry is perfect but… and it’s not a perfect situation.. in manufacturing some curved pieces have tightened up, a gentle flex of the track cures this, since Hornby were made aware of this they are on it at production level. I know you have been the victim of nasty comments in the past so I know you will appreciate some of the appalling abuse aimed at TT120 and those that have chosen to adopt this new (to UK) and exciting opportunity to get into or back into a fantastic hobby. You really need a bigger board… TT 120 will pull you in 😁
Very interested in TT - I have a very long (three car length) garage which is my future layout space - by the time I'm making it I think I will go with TT just for the extra scale length. By then there should be lots more rolling stock choice too.
Why not N Gauge Luke? MUCH more choice of locos, rolling stock and lineside accessories.
You should definitely do some scenery on the tt layout and mate it a series
thank you sam, for the video!! is tt scale half of 00 scale? and what do you recommend for starting a dcc layout?
If I started again from the beginning I would definitely go with N gauge because of the size and the huge range from so many different manufacturers and I can still get sound fitted locomotives. Hornby TT scale is new and so you don't have any real choice, unless you go to continental TT. I am going to stay with HO as I have way too much invested into it to change down to N gauge.
Beautiful tt flying scotman🤩
GREAT REVIEW! Keep up the good work Sam. The model looks great. I have a question, do you play with your models, or do you leave them on shelf’s for looks?
Thank you!! I work with my models every day for RUclips, so I get my fill of the models during filming! Yes they stay on their shelves the rest of the time!
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Hi Sam, just seen a video that MARKLIN are releasing there own model of Flying Scotsman in HO scale! Please, please make a comparison of this model compared to the latest Hornby one. That would be very interesting indeed.
If you look very carefully Sam the rails on the tender look broken, somewhere at 15:54. I just wanted to let you know.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
That's a good spot! I think it's because those coal guards are separate parts, so there are gaps between it and the tender body!
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